Louisville Receives Notice of Allegations from the NCAA

[GoMuskies]

Such a shame!

https://twitter.com/danielle_lerner/status/1257344321759649793?s=20

[Xville]

This is from bowen right? This isnt yet another thing is it? Itd be hilarious if it was.

[muskiefan82]

I heard that the NCAA is going to ban UL from the 2020 NCAA Tournament as punishment.

[xavierj]

This is from bowen right? This isnt yet another thing is it? Itd be hilarious if it was.

All from the prior coaches and the player involved has to do with Bowen. Weird the university was hit with a level 1 allegation, but Ricky only a level 2. My guess is a couple of scholarships get pulled, that they would never use to begin with. Doubt they get a post season ban. It will probably hurt recruiting a little until it gets settled.

[XU 87]

All from the prior coaches and the player involved has to do with Bowen. Weird the university was hit with a level 1 allegation, but Ricky only a level 2. My guess is a couple of scholarships get pulled, that they would never use to begin with. Doubt they get a post season ban. It will probably hurt recruiting a little until it gets settled.

Didn't you know that Pitino said that "he didn't know anything about this"? He also said the same think about the hookers. It sucks that he has these renegade assistants who keep cheating without his knowledge or approval. I just hope he finds some honest assistants at Iona.

[GoMuskies]

I just hope he finds some honest assistants at Iona.

Former home of compulsive cheat Jimmy V? Doesn't seem likely.

[Xville]

All from the prior coaches and the player involved has to do with Bowen. Weird the university was hit with a level 1 allegation, but Ricky only a level 2. My guess is a couple of scholarships get pulled, that they would never use to begin with. Doubt they get a post season ban. It will probably hurt recruiting a little until it gets settled.

I'd agree, but they are still on probation so that may complicate things for them. Regardless, it will be another year before a decision is made one way or the other.

[Masterofreality]

All from the prior coaches and the player involved has to do with Bowen. Weird the university was hit with a level 1 allegation, but Ricky only a level 2. My guess is a couple of scholarships get pulled, that they would never use to begin with. Doubt they get a post season ban. It will probably hurt recruiting a little until it gets settled.

Not necessarily because they were already on probation and went rogue again. Even Mack knew there might be another round of punishment and that is why his contract contains an extra year in it for every additional year that Louisewer is on probation with no Tournament.

[xubrew]

I'd agree, but they are still on probation so that may complicate things for them. Regardless, it will be another year before a decision is made one way or the other.

Yeah, just about. Louisville has 90 days to respond, the NCAA then has 60 days to respond to the response, and then if Louisville appeals it could be another 150 days.

I have no love for Louisville, but I'm actually sort of pulling for them a little bit. In their response they need to try and saddle as much of it as possible with the individuals who are listed in the NOI since all were fired and none of them are actually there anymore. And, since they are the ones that actually did it, it kind of seems as justified as it does practical, to try and saddle them with it. The best thing that they have going for them is that they fired everybody. Even the university president is different now. That probably won't get them all the way through the storm, but it's no small thing.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, just about. Louisville has 90 days to respond, the NCAA then has 60 days to respond to the response, and then if Louisville appeals it could be another 150 days.

I have no love for Louisville, but I'm actually sort of pulling for them a little bit. In their response they need to try and saddle as much of it as possible with the individuals who are listed in the NOI since all were fired and none of them are actually there anymore. And, since they are the ones that actually did it, it kind of seems as justified as it does practical, to try and saddle them with it. The best thing that they have going for them is that they fired everybody. Even the university president is different now. That probably won't get them all the way through the storm, but it's no small thing.

But it's the "Institution" that has profited from the malfeasance. Not necessarily individuals, although the malfeasance brought in more dirty money that the Institution could pay the former and new people. It's the Institution that has to be made to pay, because it profited at the expense of others who didn't cheat. IMO

[bleedXblue]

The penalties levied should fit the crime.

The university, its BOT and anyone associated with the program KNEW Pitino and his cronies were no good. They kept the guy in place AFTER they knew about the prostitute for hire scandal. How does that even happen?

I give them absolutely no consideration for letting people go. They had no choice but to do that?

[MHettel]

Yeah, just about. Louisville has 90 days to respond, the NCAA then has 60 days to respond to the response, and then if Louisville appeals it could be another 150 days.

I have no love for Louisville, but I'm actually sort of pulling for them a little bit. In their response they need to try and saddle as much of it as possible with the individuals who are listed in the NOI since all were fired and none of them are actually there anymore. And, since they are the ones that actually did it, it kind of seems as justified as it does practical, to try and saddle them with it. The best thing that they have going for them is that they fired everybody. Even the university president is different now. That probably won't get them all the way through the storm, but it's no small thing.

The institution should be held accountable and accept the consequences of failing to do what it is required to do, namely oversee the program. Forget that it was a Coach that did the deed. Or a player that did something. Or anyone else. The institutions job is to ensure that stuff doesn't happen. They failed and there are consequences. Firing a few people in no way is a punishment for the institution. Its a punishment on some people, that was administered by the institution. They need to take their lumps.

[xubrew]

But it's the "Institution" that has profited from the malfeasance. Not necessarily individuals, although the malfeasance brought in more dirty money that the Institution could pay the former and new people. It's the Institution that has to be made to pay, because it profited at the expense of others who didn't cheat. IMO

The institution may have benefited, but the individuals involved absolutely benefited as well. They wouldn't have done it otherwise. That's not even a question.

The NCAA has started to target individuals more than the institutions. That doesn't mean they don't punish the institutions, but you're seeing more show causes and suspensions and coaches/individuals being held accountable than you did up to about ten years ago. You can't just go somewhere, break a ton of rules, leave, and then let the institution suffer all the consequences while you get off scott free like Kelvin Sampson did multiple times.

Louisville is going to get hit, particularly for the failure to monitor. But if they do this right it may not end up being a deathblow like it initially looked like it was going to be. The fact that there is only one Level 1 violation, and it specifically mentions the individual coaches, is a sign that they may not end up getting completely nuked if they do this right.

[MHettel]

Louisville is going to get hit, particularly for the failure to monitor. But if they do this right it may not end up being a deathblow like it initially looked like it was going to be. The fact that there is only one Level 1 violation, and it specifically mentions the individual coaches, is a sign that they may not end up getting completely nuked if they do this right.

I kind of think "if they do this right" is kind of an editorial. We might not all agree with what is "right" here....

[xubrew]

I kind of think "if they do this right" is kind of an editorial. We might not all agree with what is "right" here....

I'll rephrase.

If they approach it a certain way, then I don't think they'll suffer nearly as big of a deathblow as I thought before the NOI. There was only one level 1 violation, and the NOI specifically mentioned the coaches. That's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

[XUGRAD80]

The “people” behind this whole thing are not all gone....because the “people” also includes the boosters, fans, and community that have allowed this universities athletic department to get away with almost anything they wanted to for so long. The only way I see this not all happening again is to put into the mind of the UL community that winning at all cost is NOT going to be tolerated or accepted. The “money” behind the scenes has put so much pressure on the university to excel at athletics that they will let anything go as long as they keep winning. The pieces on the chessboard may change, but what really needs to change is the rules that they are allowed to play under by the puppet masters. The NCAA needs to hammer them....but they won’t.

[Masterofreality]

The institution should be held accountable and accept the consequences of failing to do what it is required to do, namely oversee the program. Forget that it was a Coach that did the deed. Or a player that did something. Or anyone else. The institutions job is to ensure that stuff doesn't happen. They failed and there are consequences. Firing a few people in no way is a punishment for the institution. Its a punishment on some people, that was administered by the institution. They need to take their lumps.


The “people” behind this whole thing are not all gone....because the “people” also includes the boosters, fans, and community that have allowed this universities athletic department to get away with almost anything they wanted to for so long. The only way I see this not all happening again is to put into the mind of the UL community that winning at all cost is NOT going to be tolerated or accepted. The “money” behind the scenes has put so much pressure on the university to excel at athletics that they will let anything go as long as they keep winning. The pieces on the chessboard may change, but what really needs to change is the rules that they are allowed to play under by the puppet masters. The NCAA needs to hammer them....but they won’t.

Both of these. Hammer the Institution. Period.
(But I have my doubts)

[Xville]

The “people” behind this whole thing are not all gone....because the “people” also includes the boosters, fans, and community that have allowed this universities athletic department to get away with almost anything they wanted to for so long. The only way I see this not all happening again is to put into the mind of the UL community that winning at all cost is NOT going to be tolerated or accepted. The “money” behind the scenes has put so much pressure on the university to excel at athletics that they will let anything go as long as they keep winning. The pieces on the chessboard may change, but what really needs to change is the rules that they are allowed to play under by the puppet masters. The NCAA needs to hammer them....but they won’t.

Although I agree louisville should pay for what they did, no matter if the people (jurich, ramsey, pitino, hell even petrino) are gone, the stuff you wrote above in my opinion is complete nonsense. Please explain what the community and the fans did to allow the university to operate the way they did under Ramsay and jurich and are in your estimation still doing or not doing to perpetuate bad behavior?

Pitino, petrino, jurich and Ramsay are frankly all just really bad people...they have been replaced.

[xubrew]

Both of these. Hammer the Institution. Period.
(But I have my doubts)

Hammer the institution PERIOD? You don't think anything should happen to Pitino, or Jurich, or the other coaches?

I don't mind if Louisville gets hammered. I kind of do mind if no one else does. How is that an incentive for individual dickheads to not break any rules if they can sidestep all responsibility by just leaving and going somewhere else?

Pitino shouldn't be able to coach at Iona next year without a show cause. If Louisville gets a postseason ban, then Iona gets one as well so long as Pitino remains their coach. He shouldn't be coaching anywhere. Louisville getting hammered really doesn't accomplish much if the guys who actually did it don't have anything happen to them.

[paulxu]

Is this the shoe company money deal?

Last year if a shoe company supplied a school with shoes, and gave a player money to go to that school, then it was bad.

This year a player can come to school and get his own endorsement/money with the shoe company, car dealership, Skyline?

[XUGRAD80]

Although I agree louisville should pay for what they did, no matter if the people (jurich, ramsey, pitino, hell even petrino) are gone, the stuff you wrote above in my opinion is complete nonsense. Please explain what the community and the fans did to allow the university to operate the way they did under Ramsay and jurich and are in your estimation still doing or not doing to perpetuate bad behavior?

Pitino, petrino, jurich and Ramsay are frankly all just really bad people...they have been replaced.

Ever heard the term “friends of the program”? I’m of the belief, from talking with people that are native to the community and the university..............that there have been, and still are, people with deep pockets and with political clout that have pretty much turned a blind eye to what has been happening there for years, and in some cases have actively engaged in questionable behavior in regards to UL athletics. I’m also of the belief that until those people are no longer part of the picture surround UL, things won’t change. It’s fine and dandy to remove coaches and administrators at the university, but unless the new coaches and administrators cut off access to the programs by those outside influencers, I don’t see much changing. One possible solution is to hammer the university to a point where they can not be competitive for a long period of time, and then those behind the scenes people lose interest.

[Xville]

Ever heard the term “friends of the program”? I’m of the belief, from talking with people that are native to the community and the university..............that there have been, and still are, people with deep pockets and with political clout that have pretty much turned a blind eye to what has been happening there for years, and in some cases have actively engaged in questionable behavior in regards to UL athletics. I’m also of the belief that until those people are no longer part of the picture surround UL, things won’t change. It’s fine and dandy to remove coaches and administrators at the university, but unless the new coaches and administrators cut off access to the programs by those outside influencers, I don’t see much changing. One possible solution is to hammer the university to a point where they can not be competitive for a long period of time, and then those behind the scenes people lose interest.

those people left with Jurich and Ramsey. Mack's a douchebag but hes not a cheat, and satterfield is about as good as they come from a moral standpoint for a major d 1 football coach. Louisville was dirty as hell (I'm of the opinion most big time college programs probably are) even papa john called it out in so many words. And I'm not talking just about the athletic programs either....its downright amazing Ramsey isnt in jail with the crap he was doing. However, no longer is that the case as those people left with jurich and Ramsey and those who didnt were asked to essentially leave.

[MHettel]

I'll rephrase.

If they approach it a certain way, then I don't think they'll suffer nearly as big of a deathblow as I thought before the NOI. There was only one level 1 violation, and the NOI specifically mentioned the coaches. That's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

fair enough!

[XUGRAD80]

those people left with Jurich and Ramsey. Mack's a douchebag but hes not a cheat, and satterfield is about as good as they come from a moral standpoint for a major d 1 football coach. Louisville was dirty as hell (I'm of the opinion most big time college programs probably are) even papa john called it out in so many words. And I'm not talking just about the athletic programs either....its downright amazing Ramsey isnt in jail with the crap he was doing. However, no longer is that the case as those people left with jurich and Ramsey and those who didnt were asked to essentially leave.

Well, I’m happy that you think that there are no bad apples still around the university and the athletic department. However as you must well know, Jefferson County has a population of 770,000 and the whole Louisville area is well over a million people. Not everyone in that area agrees with you.

However, even if what you say is true, might there also be some merit to the idea that there is some value in preventive punishment? The idea that if the program is hammered hard enough that it might prevent these kind of things from happening again in the future? If the athletes there now are not guilty of anything, let them transfer with immediate eligibility.

[Xville]

Well, I’m happy that you think that there are no bad apples still around the university and the athletic department. However as you must well know, Jefferson County has a population of 770,000 and the whole Louisville area is well over a million people. Not everyone in that area agrees with you.

However, even if what you say is true, might there also be some merit to the idea that there is some value in preventive punishment? The idea that if the program is hammered hard enough that it might prevent these kind of things from happening again in the future? If the athletes there now are not guilty of anything, let them transfer with immediate eligibility.


Well, I’m happy that you think that there are no bad apples still around the university and the athletic department. However as you must well know, Jefferson County has a population of 770,000 and the whole Louisville area is well over a million people. Not everyone in that area agrees with you.

However, even if what you say is true, might there also be some merit to the idea that there is some value in preventive punishment? The idea that if the program is hammered hard enough that it might prevent these kind of things from happening again in the future? If the athletes there now are not guilty of anything, let them transfer with immediate eligibility.

I mean, that's fine if they dont agree with me, most dont because more than half of louisville are uk fans and are going to believe whatever they want. I have friends in both the athletic and academic side, and I work closely with people in pretty big positions on the academic side. I'm not a louisville fan and dont have a dog in the fight, just telling you what I know from people I trust and work in all aspects of the school.

In regards to the preventative punishment, I dunno. Hiw about hammering the individuals so they cant ever be in a position to work in athletics again, and/or fine the ever living hell out of them? I know what you are saying, and obviously I think louisville has to be punished, but I think preventative punishment should be on individual basis rather than an entire institution. I can see the argument for the other side though..regardless, Pitino coaching again is a joke, and petrino is coaching again...those two are just horrible human beings with no moral compass...no way they should be working with young adults.

Sort of off topic but I'm so sick of the ncaa and all their bullshit and the way they pick and choose their punishments. UNC cheats for over a decade and gets zero, there is so.much smoke around duke it's not even funny and nothing...kansas has cheated their asses off since self got there. Missouri, who I am a fan of, has a tutor go rogue and helps a few football players take tests and the school gets hammered.

[XUGRAD80]

I agree that the coaches and administrators involved should be punished by the NCAA and possibly even be permanently banned from working at any other NCAA member institution. Giving someone a couple of years ban, where they just go get a job overseas, in a pro league, or for a sponsor, and then come back to doing the same thing they were doing, but at a different school isn’t working. I don’t think anyone is saying that the whole institution should be punished. You don’t penalize the baseball team for the sins of a basketball coach. But what can the NCAA do to prevent a private individual or group from breaking their rules? They can’t punish them in any way. What they can do, and IMO need to do, is to set the example that if a member school does not actively work to prevent these private entities from breaking NCAA rules or influencing a member coach to do so, then the programs involved will be punished.

So how do you punish them? The only real punishments are to hit them in the wallet and to take away their ability to compete or to be competitive. You fine them, you take money they have received back, you take away scholarships, you limit their ability to recruit, you take away their ability to participate, and if you’ve done all of those things and they still continue to break the rules, you disallow them to participate in NCAA competition completely. Ultimately it’s up to the institutions to police themselves and to actually follow the rules that they have agreed to compete under. The NCAA is a voluntary organization and it’s not a “right” to be a member. The NCAA has negotiated contracts with TV networks that are advantageous to all the members. But part of that is based on the idea that everyone competes under the same set of rules. As fans, we know that some schools have advantages that other schools do not, that some schools have more support, more money, better facilities, and larger fan bases. But we also expect that even if those schools have those things, they still have to compete with the “lesser” schools under one set of rules. Thus, we see where a school like X can actually compete on the BB court with a school like OSU on a somewhat even level. That’s really a major part of the purpose of the NCAA, to do what it can to make sure that the schools follow the rules they have agreed to. This idea of competitive balance is what has made the NCAA BB (and other sports) tournaments so popular. IMO it wouldn’t be near as popular if we thought that only a dozen or so schools actually had a chance of ever winning any games, because they where all playing under different rules than the rest of the members.

[bleedXblue]

I don't understand what the disconnect here is?

The punishment needs to stay with the institution. They hired the coaches and administrators and any other employees. THEY had the opportunity to correct any issues, remove coaches, employees etc. once they learned of infractions or rules violations. Especially UL. Pitino should have been immediately fired with the strippergate debacle.

Sure, punish the coaches and any other employee as well. But we see how this plays out. Look at Kelvim Sampson and Bruce Pearl. Making millions again coaching in the NCAA.

[Xville]

I don't understand what the disconnect here is?

The punishment needs to stay with the institution. They hired the coaches and administrators and any other employees. THEY had the opportunity to correct any issues, remove coaches, employees etc. once they learned of infractions or rules violations. Especially UL. Pitino should have been immediately fired with the strippergate debacle.

Sure, punish the coaches and any other employee as well. But we see how this plays out. Look at Kelvim Sampson and Bruce Pearl. Making millions again coaching in the NCAA.

I dont think there is a disconnect...I agree that the institution should be punished, I'm just not sure about things like the death penalty, I think those kinds of punishments should be on the individual level. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that people like pitino, petrino and pearl have jobs

[JTG]

The only way this rampant cheating stops is if another school gets the Death Penalty. If UL gets the DP, then UNC, Kansas, and others would SERIOUSLY rethink how they're doing business. Plus without Pitino there, we won't have to listen to Vitale whine about how his goombah got screwed.

[bleedXblue]

I do agree that the NCAA is part of the problem. Make the penalties for cheating so painful that they deter others from doing the same things. The academic scandal at NC is one that comes to mind.

[xubrew]

I don't understand what the disconnect here is?

The punishment needs to stay with the institution. They hired the coaches and administrators and any other employees. THEY had the opportunity to correct any issues, remove coaches, employees etc. once they learned of infractions or rules violations. Especially UL. Pitino should have been immediately fired with the strippergate debacle.

Sure, punish the coaches and any other employee as well. But we see how this plays out. Look at Kelvim Sampson and Bruce Pearl. Making millions again coaching in the NCAA.

Which sends the message to everyone that if you cheat and get caught, you're not in any trouble. The schools are in trouble, but you're not. So, who cares?

Taking that approach will not deter cheating. I mean, just look around. That's what they've done in the past, and it has never worked.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Which sends the message to everyone that if you cheat and get caught, you're not in any trouble. The schools are in trouble, but you're not. So, who cares?

Taking that approach will not deter cheating. I mean, just look around. That's what they've done in the past, and it has never worked.

I agree it should be both punished but part of the reason it has never worked is because the penalties are not very harsh. If they were harsh enough then schools would think twice about hiring these known cheaters. It is worth it to hire them if they can bring your program relevance and money if the worst penalty you are going to get is loss of scholarships and a post season ban for the year at the worst.

Biggest problem is they NCAA doesn't really care about this cheating. They just have to appear to care at least somewhat, that is why the penalties are so small.

[GoMuskies]

I agree it should be both punished but part of the reason it has never worked is because the penalties are not very harsh. If they were harsh enough then schools would think twice about hiring these known cheaters. It is worth it to hire them if they can bring your program relevance and money if the worst penalty you are going to get is loss of scholarships and a post season ban for the year at the worst.

Biggest problem is they NCAA doesn't really care about this cheating. They just have to appear to care at least somewhat, that is why the penalties are so small.

I guess, but every single person involved in hiring the perpetrators here got fired. No one there was around at the time of the scandal. Even the BOT turned over. That seems like a pretty good deterrent not to engage in said cheating activities.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I guess, but every single person involved in hiring the perpetrators here got fired. No one there was around at the time of the scandal. Even the BOT turned over. That seems like a pretty good deterrent not to engage in said cheating activities.

Iona missed the memo....

Edit: If Pitino can get another college basketball job something isn't working. And I agree that part of that something is the NCAA not punishing him as an individual. But the institution itself is the same and deserves punishing even if the major players have changed.

[GoMuskies]

Iona missed the memo....

So if the entire Iona Board, President and AD lose their jobs if this goes wrong, what is the point of punishing a building?

[xubrew]

I agree it should be both punished but part of the reason it has never worked is because the penalties are not very harsh. If they were harsh enough then schools would think twice about hiring these known cheaters. It is worth it to hire them if they can bring your program relevance and money if the worst penalty you are going to get is loss of scholarships and a post season ban for the year at the worst.

Biggest problem is they NCAA doesn't really care about this cheating. They just have to appear to care at least somewhat, that is why the penalties are so small.

I think the NCAA actually does care. At least when you're talking about the staffers and boards. The problem isn't so much that they don't care. The problem is that they don't really have a grasp of the college basketball culture, and the membership is not really unified enough to address the issue, or for that matter to address any other issues.

I equate it to a white collar guy who has several degrees and is well educated that is suddenly put in charge of running a factory, but has never actually worked in a factory and has no idea what he's doing. A lot of these university presidents that serve on these boards and committees have never worked in athletic departments. So, they are just kind of oblivious to a lot of the problems that are happening in plain site. At the same time, many of the staffers who work in enforcement have absolutely no experience either.

So, I wouldn't say that they don't care so much as that they don't have the power they really need to address these issues, and even if they did I don't think they'd really know how to use it correctly.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So if the entire Iona Board, President and AD lose their jobs if this goes wrong, what is the point of punishing a building?

I get it seems silly but I think there is a point of punishing the institution or "building".

The people who took those jobs of the people who were fired did so full well knowing that there were consequences coming due to the people's choices they were replacing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think the NCAA actually does care. At least when you're talking about the staffers and boards. The problem isn't so much that they don't care. The problem is that they don't really have a grasp of the college basketball culture, and the membership is not really unified enough to address the issue, or for that matter to address any other issues.

I equate it to a white collar guy who has several degrees and is well educated that is suddenly put in charge of running a factory, but has never actually worked in a factory and has no idea what he's doing. A lot of these university presidents that serve on these boards and committees have never worked in athletic departments. So, they are just kind of oblivious to a lot of the problems that are happening in plain site. At the same time, many of the staffers who work in enforcement have absolutely no experience either.

So, I wouldn't say that they don't care so much as that they don't have the power they really need to address these issues, and even if they did I don't think they'd really know how to use it correctly.

That is a little bit of a cop out for the NCAA imo.

They are just the clueless presidents and administrators who dont know what the problem is? That is what we are going with? Everyone on this board knows but the presidents who dont because they never worked in the athletic dept?

[xubrew]

That is a little bit of a cop out for the NCAA imo.

They are just the clueless presidents and administrators who dont know what the problem is? That is what we are going with? Everyone on this board knows but the presidents who dont because they never worked in the athletic dept?

In my opinion, that is a big part of the problem.

Let's look at the Rice Commission (and this is just ONE example). If these people actually knew what they were doing, then they wouldn't have needed to form a committee of outsiders to look into the problems and tell them what to do. As it turns out, almost no one on the Rice Commission knew what they were talking about or what to do either. They spent most of their time talking about the one-and-done rule, which doesn't actually have anything to do with the NCAA.

Now, what came of that? Was there even a single long term accomplishment that came out of all of that? Do you look at that and conclude that the NCAA clearly knows what it's doing? To me, it looked so much like "We don't know what to do, so we'll have this group of outsiders tell us what we need to do." And then, not surprisingly, it wen't nowhere.

EDIT: As sad as this is, I can't help but laugh when I think about it.

"The FBI is arresting people! They're saying college basketball is dirty! How can this be? What's going on? What do we do? Wait, I know!! GET CONDOLEEZZA RICE ON THE PHONE!!!"

[D-West & PO-Z]

In my opinion, that is a big part of the problem.

Let's look at the Rice Commission (and this is just ONE example). If these people actually knew what they were doing, then they wouldn't have needed to form a committee of outsiders to look into the problems and tell them what to do. As it turns out, almost no one on the Rice Commission knew what they were talking about or what to do either. They spent most of their time talking about the one-and-done rule, which doesn't actually have anything to do with the NCAA.

Now, what came of that? Was there even a single long term accomplishment that came out of all of that? Do you look at that and conclude that the NCAA clearly knows what it's doing? To me, it looked so much like "We don't know what to do, so we'll have this group of outsiders tell us what we need to do." And then, not surprisingly, it wen't nowhere.

I honestly think part of the NCAA's look of incompetence is due to feeling one way internally and espousing a completely opposite thing externally.

They know their organization is not about student athletes and amateurism but is big business and about money, big TV deals, big schools, big coaches, and big conferences who make that money.

Imagine how hard it is to be an organization who is truly about one thing but has to preach publicly about being the complete opposite thing. It isnt surprising they come off looking incompetent, it really should be expected.

[XUGRAD80]

It’s not about punishing a building, it’s about punishing an organization. Not the whole organization either, only the part that broke the rules. This serves as A warning to both other parts of the organization AND other organizations. In addition, you punish the people that broke the rules of the association by keeping them from being able to work for any other members of the association. That serves as a deterrent to others who work in the same field.

The problem that I see is that most of the time the NCAA punishes the organization after the employed people have left, and never punishes the people Involved very harshly at all.

[Masterofreality]

Hammer the institution PERIOD? You don't think anything should happen to Pitino, or Jurich, or the other coaches?

I don't mind if Louisville gets hammered. I kind of do mind if no one else does. How is that an incentive for individual dickheads to not break any rules if they can sidestep all responsibility by just leaving and going somewhere else?

Pitino shouldn't be able to coach at Iona next year without a show cause. If Louisville gets a postseason ban, then Iona gets one as well so long as Pitino remains their coach. He shouldn't be coaching anywhere. Louisville getting hammered really doesn't accomplish much if the guys who actually did it don't have anything happen to them.

Sorry if you ,mis interpreted or I was unclear. Oh yeah hammer individuals too. Bruce Pearl should be out of college basketball as should Pitino and others. But in this case the "individuals" are gone so make sure you hammer the school and all of their big money slimy hangers on too, so they won't think of cheating again.

[paulxu]

Yikes. I sure hope Book Richardson or Sean Miller weren't doing anything on our campus.

[GoMuskies]

Yikes. I sure hope Book Richardson or Sean Miller weren't doing anything on our campus.

Fr. Hoff is dead and Bobo went rogue. We're good. Fr. Graham would convince the NCAA that a reflection session is punishment enough (I'd prefer probation!) \\

[XU 87]

To paraphrase a great quote- "Louisville committed NCAA violations? Boy, Cleveland State is in trouble now."

[MHettel]

I guess, but every single person involved in hiring the perpetrators here got fired. No one there was around at the time of the scandal. Even the BOT turned over. That seems like a pretty good deterrent not to engage in said cheating activities.

I don't get this. The University fired people for not doing what they were supposed to do. But the university has not been punished for not doing what it's supposed to do.

[murray87]

What is the deal with the U of L??

https://sports.yahoo.com/dead-body-found-at-home-of-fired-louisville-dance-coach-ncaa-004927769.html

The comments section is funny.

[murray87]

And more from the Louisville cancer:

https://sports.yahoo.com/assistant-kenny-johnson-out-la-salle-named-ncaa-notice-allegations-louisville-rick-pitino-college-basketball-investigation-031325819.html

And Pitino just sails along to another nice payday. Complete scum.

[GoMuskies]

I don't get this. The University fired people for not doing what they were supposed to do. But the university has not been punished for not doing what it's supposed to do.

Well, what is "the university "? Everyone who could have done something was tossed. Unless you want to give a show cause to the governor, I suppose.