NCAA moves closer to allowing athletes to serve as Paid Sponsors.

[Muskie]

If adopted, the rules would allow athletes to make sponsorship and endorsement deals with all kinds of companies and third parties, from car dealerships to concert promoters to pizza shops, according to a person who has reviewed the recommendations. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Thursday because the details were still being discussed and debated.


The NCAA would create a mechanism to evaluate potential deals for fair market value and spot possible corruption. An athlete could compromise their eligibility for failing to disclose details of a financial agreement or relationship, the person said.

[Mrs. Garrett]

If adopted, the rules would allow athletes to make sponsorship and endorsement deals with all kinds of companies and third parties, from car dealerships to concert promoters to pizza shops, according to a person who has reviewed the recommendations. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Thursday because the details were still being discussed and debated.


The NCAA would create a mechanism to evaluate potential deals for fair market value and spot possible corruption. An athlete could compromise their eligibility for failing to disclose details of a financial agreement or relationship, the person said.


All it takes is the NBA getting the best kids to take $500k to skip college and the NCAA has a change of heart

[paulxu]

Hi! This is Skykyline Tandy.

Join me at the Chili parlor for a 3 way !

I'll be there on Sunday with Colby Cheese Jones...signing autographs from 3 till 5.

[94GRAD]

Hi! This is Skykyline Tandy.

Join me at the Chili parlor for a 3 way !

I'll be there on Sunday with Colby Cheese Jones...signing autographs from 3 till 5.

The man is keeping me down so public reps!!!

[xu82]

The man is keeping me down so public reps!!!

The magic but secret formula allowed me reps from both of us!


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[xeus]

All NCAA member institutions better plan to triple their Athletics compliance departments.

[Muskie]

All NCAA member institutions better plan to triple their Athletics compliance departments.

You angling for a job?

[Drew]

All NCAA member institutions better plan to triple their Athletics compliance departments.

I'd imagine the NCAA will have a pretty loose leash on this as every PR battle over player compensation is pretty much a net loss for them as this point. They will likely just ensure that NCAA Images (logos, school jerseys etc.) aren't being used in the endorsements.

[Xuperman]

Maybe all NIL discussion will end up here.

I only see ONE positive about this whole situation, and it's not a strong one. Players can finally get a piece of the enormous financial pie generated by NCAA BBall. Problem is a very small % will benefit. It is not now or ever will be fair, as presently constructed.

On the other hand, IMO, the negatives are numerous and we're just getting started. This will turn off certain portions of any fanbase...probably to the point of actually losing some fans. Also, in what reality does a select few players get paid, large amounts in some cases, and it not effect the traditional team concept? There will be locker room issues. What about the team that has only 1 "golden boy" getting paid? No chance of that creating any friction, right? Obviously there are going to be some usual "dirty dealings".....won't this simply morph into some form of free agency? NIL, coupled with the immediate transfer situation is a recipe for volatility.

Look, I have zero issue with a student athlete getting paid for some sort of service. It's the same as getting, say, a fast food job, only for a lot more money in most cases. Now, if kids start getting straight cash payments, things could go south quick.

The only way I see this working out in the long run, is if most Universities DO NOT ALLOW their NIL to be partnered with player deals. Early indications are that this is not the case, but the bottom line is if fan support/revenue is negatively effected, schools will be forced to make necessary adjustments.

[muskiefan82]

If Xavier is successful and keeps winning and making the tournament, then I will not care about anything to do with NIL. If Xavier is not successful and fails to make the tournament in most years, then the NIL deal is clearly at fault and it is completely wrong.

It is that simple. LOL

[nuts4xu]

Xavier showed interest in Nijel Pack, but he has decided to transfer to Miami U, and signed a deal worth $800k (and a car) over the next 2 years. If this is how things are going to go, I am not sure how Xavier will do in these situations.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nijel-pack-transfers-to-miami-former-kansas-state-star-to-earn-800000-in-nil-deal-with-lifewallet/

[Muskie]

Xavier showed interest in Nijel Pack, but he has decided to transfer to Miami U, and signed a deal worth $800k (and a car) over the next 2 years. If this is how things are going to go, I am not sure how Xavier will do in these situations.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nijel-pack-transfers-to-miami-former-kansas-state-star-to-earn-800000-in-nil-deal-with-lifewallet/

Oklahoma is going to start paying their Football, Basketball, and Softball players 40-50k per year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Oklahoma is going to start paying their Football, Basketball, and Softball players 40-50k per year.

It isn't Oklahoma paying. Doesnt seem automatic either. They have the opportunity to make that amount and it appears tied to doing work with various non profit community partners.

Interesting idea. Barry Switzer involved.

[JTG]

The only way I see for the NIL to work, is if it is team based. Team A gets $X thousands of dollars, to be split, scholarship players each get a full share, and walk ons get a 1/3 share. Otherwise, you have one guy making big money and everyone else getting squat. How long before that fractures the locker room?. You can't convince me Pack is worth $400k a year. It's not too surprising to me that Miami was involved. I would have expected Memphis or Kansas to be the first culprits.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The only way I see for the NIL to work, is if it is team based. Team A gets $X thousands of dollars, to be split, scholarship players each get a full share, and walk ons get a 1/3 share. Otherwise, you have one guy making big money and everyone else getting squat. How long before that fractures the locker room?. You can't convince me Pack is worth $400k a year. It's not too surprising to me that Miami was involved. I would have expected Memphis or Kansas to be the first culprits.

I think what some are missing here is that the NCAA had no choice here. The lawsuits were coming full force, they had to let NIL happen. So I am not sure they would even be legally allowed to restrict a certain amount of money to certain teams, etc. It also isn't the teams paying the money. Yes, the teams who will do this the best will facilitate their players getting NIL deals, but the money isn't coming from the school. I don't think they would be allowed to restrict how much an individual player could earn.

The fractured locker room is a silly argument to me.

[Drew]

The only way I see for the NIL to work, is if it is team based. Team A gets $X thousands of dollars, to be split, scholarship players each get a full share, and walk ons get a 1/3 share. Otherwise, you have one guy making big money and everyone else getting squat. How long before that fractures the locker room?. You can't convince me Pack is worth $400k a year. It's not too surprising to me that Miami was involved. I would have expected Memphis or Kansas to be the first culprits.

Market doesn't mind what you think he's worth. I don't think any coach is worth more than 500k a year and yet they make tons more than that for coaching a sport with a 4 month season.

[Final4]

The fractured locker room is a silly argument to me.

How 'bout Hercy Miller making more money than Dante Jackson.........I don't think situations such as that would promote the healthiest of environments.

[D-West & PO-Z]

How 'bout Hercy Miller making more money than Dante Jackson.........I don't think situations such as that would promote the healthiest of environments.

The fact that Hercy Miller is on Xavier's team would refute your assertion.

[Olsingledigit]

All it takes is the NBA getting the best kids to take $500k to skip college and the NCAA has a change of heart

Wrong Mrs. Garrett. It took a Supreme Court ruling.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

The fractured locker room is a silly argument to me.

What makes it silly....you don't think it will occur or its occurrence will not be on a material enough scale to matter?

I see NIL creating many issues; team chemistry is just one. I think it will be huge and will quickly become a clear and obvious issue. I cannot wait to see how Miami tries to manage through the issues that Pack's $800K deal is going to create.

[xukeith]

Oklahoma is going to start paying their Football, Basketball, and Softball players 40-50k per year.

Men's only? Title IX lawsuits begin?

[JTG]

Softball is women, so is womens bball.

[xu82]

Softball is women, so is womens bball.

But, what if one identifies as…….

Never mind…..

[D-West & PO-Z]

What makes it silly....you don't think it will occur or its occurrence will not be on a material enough scale to matter?

I see NIL creating many issues; team chemistry is just one. I think it will be huge and will quickly become a clear and obvious issue. I cannot wait to see how Miami tries to manage through the issues that Pack's $800K deal is going to create.

What are the issues? Players who arent as good and thus can't get NIL deals like this are jealous? How is this different than a player who isnt as good who doesnt get as much playing time and is jealous of another player?

I don't buy fractured locker rooms for a second. At least no on a large scale or one that matters.

[Drew]

Men's only? Title IX lawsuits begin?

Title IX really doesn't mean what you think it means.

[xu82]

What are the issues? Players who arent as good and thus can't get NIL deals like this are jealous? How is this different than a player who isnt as good who doesnt get as much playing time and is jealous of another player?

I don't buy fractured locker rooms for a second. At least no on a large scale or one that matters.

With all due respect (get ready! :-)), I think it can create a tiered status that is not “we are all in this together”, on an equal basis.

I appreciate that you don’t believe it will matter, but I hope you will consider that it might matter if guys don’t feel “together” on the issue.

This is going to be more complicated and have far more unintended consequences than people can imagine. YES, it was happening all along (maybe going back to Wooden), but putting it above board adds a new element. Not loving or hating, just saying.

[D-West & PO-Z]

With all due respect (get ready! :-)), I think it can create a tiered status that is not “we are all in this together”, on an equal basis.

I appreciate that you don’t believe it will matter, but I hope you will consider that it might matter if guys don’t feel “together” on the issue.

This is going to be more complicated and have far more unintended consequences than people can imagine. YES, it was happening all along (maybe going back to Wooden), but putting it above board adds a new element. Not loving or hating, just saying.

There always has been and always will be jealousy among some players on some teams at various times for various reasons. I don't get though how a player with a big NIL deal who comes to practice like everyone else, who plays hard every game like everyone else, who is (most likely) the best or one of the best players on the team, will be creating a we are not all in this together atmosphere?

I would love to see an anonymous poll of players on this topic.

[xu82]

There always has been and always will be jealousy among some players on some teams at various times for various reasons. I don't get though how a player with a big NIL deal who comes to practice like everyone else, who plays hard every game like everyone else, who is (most likely) the best or one of the best players on the team, will be creating a we are not all in this together atmosphere?

I would love to see an anonymous poll of players on this topic.

I respect your opinion here, but I have reservations. I won’t pretend to be an expert on locker room dynamics.

I just hope the new arrangements don’t mess up a great thing.

[MHettel]

There always has been and always will be jealousy among some players on some teams at various times for various reasons. I don't get though how a player with a big NIL deal who comes to practice like everyone else, who plays hard every game like everyone else, who is (most likely) the best or one of the best players on the team, will be creating a we are not all in this together atmosphere?

I would love to see an anonymous poll of players on this topic.

Honestly bro. You are delusional.

You want to do a poll of the players? Wonder what that will reveal?

I have an idea. Let’s give people mansions and then ask the people that got the mansions to tell us what they think about the decision to give them mansions.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Honestly bro. You are delusional.

You want to do a poll of the players? Wonder what that will reveal?

I have an idea. Let’s give people mansions and then ask the people that got the mansions to tell us what they think about the decision to give them mansions.

Try and keep up Hett. Reading comprehension is tough. Take another crack at what the poll would be about.

[MHettel]

The fractured locker room is a silly argument to me.

Another terrible take.

I’m sure we will see a lot of unselfish play. I’m sure the players will be thinking team first when they know that keeping their NIL deal is on the line, or better yet maybe when someone has the NIL deal that only pays 75k and the player that has the NIL deal that pays 200k is graduating next year. That 200k is up for bid…..I wonder if I should pass it to the OTHER guy on my team that may get the deal next year, or just take my own shot?

Dude. You are out there

[D-West & PO-Z]

Another terrible take.

I’m sure we will see a lot of unselfish play. I’m sure the players will be thinking team first when they know that keeping their NIL deal is on the line, or better yet maybe when someone has the NIL deal that only pays 75k and the player that has the NIL deal that pays 200k is graduating next year. That 200k is up for bid…..I wonder if I should pass it to the OTHER guy on my team that may get the deal next year, or just take my own shot?

Dude. You are out there

There was (maybe is still) a show called doomsday preppers. The people on the show were batshit crazy. At this point, you'd be the star of the show!

[MHettel]

Try and keep up Hett. Reading comprehension is tough. Take another crack at what the poll would be about.

You look foolish with that response. Of course players will think paying players is a good idea.

That scientifically robust, that survey idea of yours.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You look foolish with that response. Of course players will think paying players is a good idea.

That scientifically robust, that survey idea of yours.

Again, reading comprehension is not your strong suit. The poll has nothing to do with asking players if it is a good idea to pay players. Maybe take my advice and re-read the post I was responding to and the topic being discussed.

[MHettel]

Again, reading comprehension is not your strong suit. The poll has nothing to do with asking players if it is a good idea to pay players. Maybe take my advice and re-read the post I was responding to and the topic being discussed.

Let’s do this.

Your “poll idea” is premised upon players being paid.

The poll question itself seems benign, but it doesn’t take a philosophy major to see the real intent. You are basically asking players who either are, or could be paid whether or not paying players is a good idea. If the player is the one being paid, I’d bet they are gonna say that it’s not an issue. And if a player isn’t being paid and has half a brain, then they will realize that responding in a negative way will likely reduce their chance of being paid in the future.

Is this a reading comprehension issue on my part, or flawed logic on yours?

( advice: don’t answer)

[XUBison]

https://sillasderuedas.net/3504/college-hockey-coaches-hear-about-the-potential-transformation-of-ncaa-sports-grand-forks-herald.html

GRAND FORKS — The most eye-opening moment of the American Hockey Coaches Association convention Thursday came when the NCAA’s Greg Dana spoke to the group.

Dana gave the coaches, who had assembled in Naples Grande Beach Resort, an idea of what legislative changes could potentially be coming in the wake of last summer’s Supreme Court ruling in the Alston case.

The possibilities on the table could significantly change college athletics. They include:

1. No scholarship limits (the Division-I limit currently is 18).

2. No limits on the number of full-time coaches on staff (it’s currently three).

3. Unlimited player transfers without having to sit out a year (players currently can transfer once without having to sit out).

The future of college sports is trending toward what’s best for the athletes. Coaches have been told that legislation and guidelines will be more likely to focus on minimums than maximums.

If those changes go through, it’s possible that individual conferences will attempt to put limits on things like scholarship numbers, but they also would open themselves to the same lawsuit the NCAA faced and lost.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions right now as the NCAA’s Division I Transformation Committee develops “a set of Division I commitments, regulations and membership obligations that directly respond to the set of issues that continually challenge the division.”

At this point, everyone is waiting to see what changes will come from the Transformation Committee. But the coaches have been warned they could be substantial.

[Final4]

Conference commissioners now saying that what’s going on right now has absolutely nothing to do with NIL………..players are simply being paid by boosters to go to their respective schools with no attendant obligations, nothing to fulfill, no strings attached. How in the world anyone would think this is good for the game is beyond me.

[Drew]

Conference commissioners now saying that what’s going on right now has absolutely nothing to do with NIL………..players are simply being paid by boosters to go to their respective schools with no attendant obligations, nothing to fulfill, no strings attached. How in the world anyone would think this is good for the game is beyond me.

Maybe I'm crazy, but seeing people get paid usually makes me happy. Why are you rooting for all the players to not be paid?

[XUGRAD80]

Maybe I'm crazy, but seeing people get paid usually makes me happy. Why are you rooting for all the players to not be paid?

1…..college was always about “amateur” athletics in the past and many prefer that it stay that way

2…ever notice that there aren’t as Mom and Pop stores around today as there was in the past? How everything has moved toward large chains or Mega Warehouses like Amazon? It happened slowly at first, but has certainly picked up speed. The Mom and Pops found out that they couldn’t compete with the deep pockets that the big boys had. They couldn’t pay the same or give the same benefits, so their employees left, and they ended up closing the store.

That same exact scenario could happen to college sports. (In case people haven’t been watching, it’s already happened to many individual sports at schools all across the country. It’s certainly happened at X too. Sports have been dropped because the schools couldn’t “afford” to field a team.) Just how I the world will X be able to compete with the large state schools when it comes to paying student-athletes? They can’t. Xavier didn’t drop football because of no interest. They dropped football because it was a sound financial decsion for the school at large.

Understand first off that if they pay the men, the will also have to pay the women an equal amount. How long do you think that X could go on paying both the mens and womens team at the same rate that many of the schools in the BE can afford? Let alone schools like UC, OSU, Indiana, etc.?

If this becomes the situation…....why in the world would any college board want to be in that “business”? Many would soon go broke.

3….there is till the argument that the scholarship athletes are ALREADY getting compensation (pay) in the form of tuition, room, board, books, fees, tutoring, coaching, travel, medical care, equipment, practice facilities,,etc…and many also get a stipend on top of all that! If you think that hasn’t much value just look at what it costs a typical student to get through college these days and then add on what the value of being a varsity athlete is. Try paying for individual coaching in tennis, golf, gymnastics, etc. Go out and price a really nice pair of basketball shoes or football cleats. What does it cost to rent a hockey rink these days for a couple of hours? Let’s stop and consider how much it would cost a group of college students to charter their own plane over a holiday and go play some basketball in Hawaii over thanksgiving. I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

[MHettel]

1…..college was always about “amateur” athletics in the past and many prefer that it stay that way

2…ever notice that there aren’t as Mom and Pop stores around today as there was in the past? How everything has moved toward large chains or Mega Warehouses like Amazon? It happened slowly at first, but has certainly picked up speed. The Mom and Pops found out that they couldn’t compete with the deep pockets that the big boys had. They couldn’t pay the same or give the same benefits, so their employees left, and they ended up closing the store.

That same exact scenario could happen to college sports. (In case people haven’t been watching, it’s already happened to many individual sports at schools all across the country. It’s certainly happened at X too. Sports have been dropped because the schools couldn’t “afford” to field a team.) Just how I the world will X be able to compete with the large state schools when it comes to paying student-athletes? They can’t. Xavier didn’t drop football because of no interest. They dropped football because it was a sound financial decsion for the school at large.

Understand first off that if they pay the men, the will also have to pay the women an equal amount. How long do you think that X could go on paying both the mens and womens team at the same rate that many of the schools in the BE can afford? Let alone schools like UC, OSU, Indiana, etc.?

If this becomes the situation…....why in the world would any college board want to be in that “business”? Many would soon go broke.

3….there is till the argument that the scholarship athletes are ALREADY getting compensation (pay) in the form of tuition, room, board, books, fees, tutoring, coaching, travel, medical care, equipment, practice facilities,,etc…and many also get a stipend on top of all that! If you think that hasn’t much value just look at what it costs a typical student to get through college these days and then add on what the value of being a varsity athlete is. Try paying for individual coaching in tennis, golf, gymnastics, etc. Go out and price a really nice pair of basketball shoes or football cleats. What does it cost to rent a hockey rink these days for a couple of hours? Let’s stop and consider how much it would cost a group of college students to charter their own plane over a holiday and go play some basketball in Hawaii over thanksgiving. I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

I get your point entirely. There are others, however, that live in a world with Unicorns and Cotton Candy that simply ignore these realities in search of "justice." Its UNFAIR the way we treat these students, haven't you heard? We must support ANY change that results in a shift of power from the oppressors to the oppressed.

Even if the ideas can not be implemented without destructive consequences. Just ignore the consequences and reality and just FIGHT for whatever seems to be the JUST cause.

nonsense.

[MHettel]

And then there is this....


per ESPN:
Louisville has hired Milt Wagner, former Cardinals star and the grandfather of the No. 1 recruit in the country, as the program's director of player development.

Wagner will reportedly also be involved in an alumni relations role, according to Louisville's Rivals.com affiliate.

He is the grandfather of No. 1 rising senior D.J. Wagner, who is currently uncommitted but is the subject of an intense recruiting battle between Louisville and Kentucky. Kentucky coach John Calipari coached D.J. Wagner's father, DaJuan Wagner, at Memphis, while new Louisville coach Kenny Payne played with Milt Wagner on Louisville's 1986 national championship team.

Calipari also hired Milt Wagner at Memphis in 2000, which led to Wagner signing with the Tigers.

but for real, though. They hired Milt Wagner because he is the MOST qualified guy for that job.

[Drew]

Y'all can justify however you want. But at the end of the day, I sleep sound. College athletics is a multi billion dollar business where the main revenue drivers are poor black men. Fighting for them to be paid fairly versus the status quo where a few white coaches and administrators are paid millions isn't a hard decision for me.

[GoMuskies]

At least he played for Louisville and is a legend there (and was a teammate of the current coach). No, I don't think it makes it much better, but it's apparently the game now. Just funny that the exact same move that worked for Cal in 2000 is going to work against him now.

[MHettel]

Y'all can justify however you want. But at the end of the day, I sleep sound. College athletics is a multi billion dollar business where the main revenue drivers are poor black men. Fighting for them to be paid fairly versus the status quo where a few white coaches and administrators are paid millions isn't a hard decision for me.

Well, lets make sure we dont realize that a free education might be actually the BEST form of compensation you can provide the players.

A fraction will go pro in their respective sports. But ALL of them can take advantage of their education and notoriety.

Wait till we get to the point where these kids that aren't going pro will have to take a pay cut when they get their first REAL job. We will have done them a major disservice.

[MHettel]

At least he played for Louisville and is a legend there (and was a teammate of the current coach). No, I don't think it makes it much better, but it's apparently the game now. Just funny that the exact same move that worked for Cal in 2000 is going to work against him now.

lets say D.J. Wagner picks Kentucky. What the over / under on the number of years that Milt stays at UofL?

[Final4]

Y'all can justify however you want. But at the end of the day, I sleep sound. College athletics is a multi billion dollar business where the main revenue drivers are poor black men. Fighting for them to be paid fairly versus the status quo where a few white coaches and administrators are paid millions isn't a hard decision for me.

It might be if you applied some critical thinking to it and fully vetted the potential outcomes.

[GoMuskies]

lets say D.J. Wagner picks Kentucky. What the over / under on the number of years that Milt stays at UofL?

0.9. If he picks Louisville, 1.8.

[X-band '01]

Well, lets make sure we dont realize that a free education might be actually the BEST form of compensation you can provide the players.

A fraction will go pro in their respective sports. But ALL of them can take advantage of their education and notoriety.

Wait till we get to the point where these kids that aren't going pro will have to take a pay cut when they get their first REAL job. We will have done them a major disservice.

Unless that education involved sham courses at UNC a while back.

[GoMuskies]

Unless that education involved sham courses at UNC a while back.

No one had to take those courses, though. Anyone who actually valued their education could and would have avoided them. Terrible look for UNC, but also a pretty bad look for the kids who actually took the classes.

[MHettel]

Unless that education involved sham courses at UNC a while back.

oh yeah. that one example from 15 years ago.

I retract my statement. These guys dont need an education. They should just play ball and do the minimum schoolwork required for a few years while making some NIL scratch. They will all go pro and get NBA Max Contracts and prove that you dont need a degree.

[xu82]

Well, lets make sure we dont realize that a free education might be actually the BEST form of compensation you can provide the players.

A fraction will go pro in their respective sports. But ALL of them can take advantage of their education and notoriety.

Wait till we get to the point where these kids that aren't going pro will have to take a pay cut when they get their first REAL job. We will have done them a major disservice.

We are already there. The QB at Alabama made more than the Eagle’s QB last year.

I don’t know what the answer is. If the ‘Bama QB goes on to become a teacher or a fireman rather than spend decades in the NFL, that money will give him a nice start in life. I don’t begrudge him that, but I will say I lose a bit of interest when I see these recruits putting themselves out to the highest bidder, which appears to be the case in some instances.

[XUGRAD80]

Y'all can justify however you want. But at the end of the day, I sleep sound. College Basketball and Football is a multi billion dollar business where the main revenue drivers are poor black men. Fighting for them to be paid fairly versus the status quo where a few white coaches and administrators are paid millions isn't a hard decision for me.

Fixed it for you.


I always find statements about “fair pay” humorous in regards to paying college athletes. How many of those coaches and administrators were college athletes at one time? Probably 90% of them. Would they be in those positions if they hadn’t been evolved in college sports while students? Not likely. They have reached the top level of their profession and are paid like it. But they would t be there if they weren’t first given an opportunity to be a college athlete. They took advantage of that opportunity, and other opportunities that they earned along the way. Why hold that against them? I think it’s just jealousy.

[xudash]

Equity (in pay) is clearly an issue.

However, the one thing with all this that I am most focused on presently is locker room chemistry. You have a "student-athlete" standing at his locker, enjoying the fruits of a large 6 or small 7 digit N-I-L deal, and right next to him stands an otherwise productive athlete and key cog to a team that "only" has a scholarship and maybe some small "pocket money" deal that was cooked up for him. It won't be that severe across the board within an entire team, but it probably will be substantial enough to cause some new dynamics within a team.

Like everything else in a capitalistic society, the market will dictate value. The fact that that now applies to matters involving institutions having ivy covered walls is, in a way, rich. We're in for some unfortunate but peculiar and funny theatre with all this. It's setting up to be a real mess before it sorts itself out.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No one had to take those courses, though. Anyone who actually valued their education could and would have avoided them. Terrible look for UNC, but also a pretty bad look for the kids who actually took the classes.

Really? Think back to your college days. I would have signed up for a sham class that the school gave automatic A's in in a heartbeat. Doesn't mean I didn't care about my education. An easy (or nonexistent) class to off set all the work and difficulty of taking chem, bio, and physics in the same semester? Sign me up!

[D-West & PO-Z]

1…..college was always about “amateur” athletics in the past and many prefer that it stay that way

2…ever notice that there aren’t as Mom and Pop stores around today as there was in the past? How everything has moved toward large chains or Mega Warehouses like Amazon? It happened slowly at first, but has certainly picked up speed. The Mom and Pops found out that they couldn’t compete with the deep pockets that the big boys had. They couldn’t pay the same or give the same benefits, so their employees left, and they ended up closing the store.

That same exact scenario could happen to college sports. (In case people haven’t been watching, it’s already happened to many individual sports at schools all across the country. It’s certainly happened at X too. Sports have been dropped because the schools couldn’t “afford” to field a team.) Just how I the world will X be able to compete with the large state schools when it comes to paying student-athletes? They can’t. Xavier didn’t drop football because of no interest. They dropped football because it was a sound financial decsion for the school at large.

Understand first off that if they pay the men, the will also have to pay the women an equal amount. How long do you think that X could go on paying both the mens and womens team at the same rate that many of the schools in the BE can afford? Let alone schools like UC, OSU, Indiana, etc.?

If this becomes the situation…....why in the world would any college board want to be in that “business”? Many would soon go broke.

3….there is till the argument that the scholarship athletes are ALREADY getting compensation (pay) in the form of tuition, room, board, books, fees, tutoring, coaching, travel, medical care, equipment, practice facilities,,etc…and many also get a stipend on top of all that! If you think that hasn’t much value just look at what it costs a typical student to get through college these days and then add on what the value of being a varsity athlete is. Try paying for individual coaching in tennis, golf, gymnastics, etc. Go out and price a really nice pair of basketball shoes or football cleats. What does it cost to rent a hockey rink these days for a couple of hours? Let’s stop and consider how much it would cost a group of college students to charter their own plane over a holiday and go play some basketball in Hawaii over thanksgiving. I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

I feel like you keep missing the gigantic point that the schools themselves aren't paying the athletes any money. Feels like a big point to miss or you're being purposely obtuse.

Also Title IX does not mean all mens and womens sports get things equally. Do you think the women's basketball team takes gets all the same perks the men's team does? Including the way they travel?

But again, moot point because the schools arent paying the athletes.

Some of your concerns remain (deep pocketed alumni certainly will be an advantage) and we will need to see how this plays out.

I continue to contend college sports won't be ruined in 5 years. Some feel they are ruined now already. Will be interesting to see.

[XUGRAD80]

I feel like you keep missing the gigantic point that the schools themselves aren't paying the athletes any money. Feels like a big point to miss or you're being purposely obtuse.

Also Title IX does not mean all mens and womens sports get things equally. Do you think the women's basketball team takes gets all the same perks the men's team does? Including the way they travel?

But again, moot point because the schools arent paying the athletes.

Some of your concerns remain (deep pocketed alumni certainly will be an advantage) and we will need to see how this plays out.

I continue to contend college sports won't be ruined in 5 years. Some feel they are ruined now already. Will be interesting to see.

Fair enough….but I was replying to Drew’s question about why someone wouldn’t want to see the players paid. I took that (along with other prior statements) to mean why would anyone not want to see the schools paying the players. His comment about old white coaches and administrators making millions while their labor gets nothing, would also imply he was referring to schools paying the players. Many college officials have already speculated that it is only a matter of time until direct pay for play from the schools comes about. True professional players.

Irregardless of who is paying the players….boosters or the schools themselves….my points still remain valid, I believe. Xavier, and many other similar schools, just won’t be able to compete successfully against the bigger dollar schools. They don’t have the booster dollars nor the athletic department budget. If it becomes a war of dollars, Xavier loses either way.

Re:Title IX….have you followed the fight by the Women’s National Soccer Team for equal pay and benefits? There’s no way that any university is going to get away with paying the mens team and not pay the womens team as well. If it comes to a point where men are getting paid by a university to play a sport, they are going to forced by the courts to do the same for the women.

College sports won’t be ruined in 5 years. I agree with that. But they also won’t be better, because of such things as the NIL and the transfer rules. The ATHLETES will be better off. The sports themselves, will not be. Not in my opinion anyway.

[GoMuskies]

I'm already immensely less interested in college sports than I've ever been, but I'm pretty sure it has more to do with Xavier being terrible the last few years than anything else. I find the "new world order" of college sports kind of annoying, but I'm pretty sure I'll snap out of it when Xavier starts playing basketball competently again.

[paulxu]

Really? Think back to your college days. I would have signed up for a sham class that the school gave automatic A's in in a heartbeat. Doesn't mean I didn't care about my education. An easy (or nonexistent) class to off set all the work and difficulty of taking chem, bio, and physics in the same semester? Sign me up!

That is no way to talk about Theology 101.

[A Fan]

Fair enough….but I was replying to Drew’s question about why someone wouldn’t want to see the players paid. I took that (along with other prior statements) to mean why would anyone not want to see the schools paying the players. His comment about old white coaches and administrators making millions while their labor gets nothing, would also imply he was referring to schools paying the players. Many college officials have already speculated that it is only a matter of time until direct pay for play from the schools comes about. True professional players.

Irregardless of who is paying the players….boosters or the schools themselves….my points still remain valid, I believe. Xavier, and many other similar schools, just won’t be able to compete successfully against the bigger dollar schools. They don’t have the booster dollars nor the athletic department budget. If it becomes a war of dollars, Xavier loses either way.

Re:Title IX….have you followed the fight by the Women’s National Soccer Team for equal pay and benefits? There’s no way that any university is going to get away with paying the mens team and not pay the womens team as well. If it comes to a point where men are getting paid by a university to play a sport, they are going to forced by the courts to do the same for the women.

College sports won’t be ruined in 5 years. I agree with that. But they also won’t be better, because of such things as the NIL and the transfer rules. The ATHLETES will be better off. The sports themselves, will not be. Not in my opinion anyway.

There are several aspects to this discussion that are getting conflated. First is the NIL’s and the Transfer Portal. The ramifications of that issue are these: Good Players get paid. Good Players can transfer for more pay. Roster’s are never stable. Booster money goes into collective’s not controlled by the coach. The coach is dependent on the collective’s to get high priced/ valued talent. A player without a NIL who improves to NIL worthiness will leave. It is the free market . I have no idea how this will impact college basketball. Will the fans go along? Will they feel that the loss of amateurism is a turn off? Revenues will not be impacted? Hard to predict.

The second issue is far more consequential. Schools being forced to pay their athletes participating in revenue producing sports. The current General Counsel of the National Labor Relations Board has issued an opinion that these athletes should be considered employees under the NLRB Act .While this position has not been adopted by the Board, it , with recent proposed legislation seeking to codify the same outcome, suggests it is on the horizon.

Some poster’s have suggested that non NIL players will be indifferent to their best team players being compensated. We will see. It is not unreasonable to think that once the full effect of the NIL’s kick in, that all of the revenue producing athletes and their representatives will be seeking minimum wage or greater compensation . Time spent training, practicing, traveling, meeting, etc will denominate hours worked.

Will schools like Xavier be able to collectively bargain with the unions representing their members ( Xavier’s revenue participating sport’s participants) ?

That is where it will all end up.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That is no way to talk about Theology 101.

Ha, I have a Theology minor for some reason.....and Ethics in War was no joke of a class!

[xubrew]

I think what some are missing here is that the NCAA had no choice here. The lawsuits were coming full force, they had to let NIL happen. So I am not sure they would even be legally allowed to restrict a certain amount of money to certain teams, etc. It also isn't the teams paying the money. Yes, the teams who will do this the best will facilitate their players getting NIL deals, but the money isn't coming from the school. I don't think they would be allowed to restrict how much an individual player could earn.

The fractured locker room is a silly argument to me.

THANK YOU!!!!

People seem to think the NCAA is above the law. They're not. They have to follow the law. As states began to pass laws allowing NILs for student-athletes, and as the Supreme Court ruled unanimously on the Alston Case, the NCAA can't just say "Nope! Not gonna do that!"

To suggest that the NCAA shouldn't have made these changes, as many on here are doing, is hilariously stupid. It shows a stunning amount of ignorance, or a stunning contempt of the law, or both. I do admit that it is an interesting suggestion. Just ignore the courts! Just put themselves in a position of being in constant civil contempt of court! As interesting as that suggestion is, I could see that NOT being good for college sports.

This was almost undoubtedly going to happen sooner or later. Anyone with even an elementary understanding of anti-trust law and civil rights understood that. A person has a right to their own NIL, and price fixing is illegal. I do think there were things the NCAA could have done (and perhaps should have done) to keep this from crashing down as much as it did and as suddenly as it did...but then again...maybe not. And every time it was suggested that they make more available for the players in order to maybe prevent this issue from being forced, people balked. Now those people that balked all are up in arms that this is happening. Well...it was that same balking that led to this happening as fast as it did and to the degree that it did. But..in the vast big picture, maybe it didn't matter. It may not have happened quite as fast, but it was going to eventually happen. What the NCAA was doing was illegal. Once the Supreme Court explained that to them, and once the states started passing NIL laws, the NCAA had no choice. If it were up to them, they wouldn't have done any of this. But...it wasn't.

[xubrew]

THANK YOU!!!!

People seem to think the NCAA is above the law. They're not. They have to follow the law. As states began to pass laws allowing NILs for student-athletes, and as the Supreme Court ruled unanimously on the Alston Case, the NCAA can't just say "Nope! Not gonna do that!"

To suggest that the NCAA shouldn't have made these changes, as many on here are doing, is hilariously stupid. It shows a stunning amount of ignorance, or a stunning contempt of the law, or both. I do admit that it is an interesting suggestion. Just ignore the courts! Just put themselves in a position of being in constant civil contempt of court! As interesting as that suggestion is, I could see that NOT being good for college sports.

This was almost undoubtedly going to happen sooner or later. Anyone with even an elementary understanding of anti-trust law and civil rights understood that. A person has a right to their own NIL, and price fixing is illegal. I do think there were things the NCAA could have done (and perhaps should have done) to keep this from crashing down as much as it did and as suddenly as it did...but then again...maybe not. And every time it was suggested that they make more available for the players in order to maybe prevent this issue from being forced, people balked. Now those people that balked all are up in arms that this is happening. Well...it was that same balking that led to this happening as fast as it did and to the degree that it did. But..in the vast big picture, maybe it didn't matter. It may not have happened quite as fast, but it was going to eventually happen. What the NCAA was doing was illegal. Once the Supreme Court explained that to them, and once the states started passing NIL laws, the NCAA had no choice. If it were up to them, they wouldn't have done any of this. But...it wasn't.

To fully explain myself...

The real reason I find this comical isn't really because of anyone here, but because of the dimwittedness that exists within the NCAA. "Well, can't we just ignore the law??!!" Umm....no. You can't.

[Final4]

THANK YOU!!!!

People seem to think the NCAA is above the law. They're not. They have to follow the law. As states began to pass laws allowing NILs for student-athletes, and as the Supreme Court ruled unanimously on the Alston Case, the NCAA can't just say "Nope! Not gonna do that!"

To suggest that the NCAA shouldn't have made these changes, as many on here are doing, is hilariously stupid. It shows a stunning amount of ignorance, or a stunning contempt of the law, or both. I do admit that it is an interesting suggestion. Just ignore the courts! Just put themselves in a position of being in constant civil contempt of court! As interesting as that suggestion is, I could see that NOT being good for college sports.

This was almost undoubtedly going to happen sooner or later. Anyone with even an elementary understanding of anti-trust law and civil rights understood that. A person has a right to their own NIL, and price fixing is illegal. I do think there were things the NCAA could have done (and perhaps should have done) to keep this from crashing down as much as it did and as suddenly as it did...but then again...maybe not. And every time it was suggested that they make more available for the players in order to maybe prevent this issue from being forced, people balked. Now those people that balked all are up in arms that this is happening. Well...it was that same balking that led to this happening as fast as it did and to the degree that it did. But..in the vast big picture, maybe it didn't matter. It may not have happened quite as fast, but it was going to eventually happen. What the NCAA was doing was illegal. Once the Supreme Court explained that to them, and once the states started passing NIL laws, the NCAA had no choice. If it were up to them, they wouldn't have done any of this. But...it wasn't.

Ohio high schools, by a majority vote, recently rejected a proposal to allow NIL opportunities for their student athletes. They argued that amateur classification would be voided should NIL payments be allowed. I’m assuming this will be challenged in court at some point. Does amateurism as defined not exist? Was it simply a fabrication that could not (ultimately) withstand scrutiny?

[xubrew]

Ohio high schools, by a majority vote, recently rejected a proposal to allow NIL opportunities for their student athletes. They argued that amateur classification would be voided should NIL payments be allowed. I’m assuming this will be challenged in court at some point. Does amateurism as defined not exist? Was it simply a fabrication that could not (ultimately) withstand scrutiny?

I would imagine it would be challenged in court at some point. I don't know for sure what the outcome of that will be. High school athletes are not adults. Maybe that matters and maybe that doesn't. I don't know.

In regards to the NCAA, two things happened at pretty much the exact same time.

-The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 in the Alston Case and said the NCAA was in violation of anti-trust laws and that schools could not be prevented from directly paying players. Now, the NCAA has not officially changed this rule yet, but they've also done absolutely nothing to enforce this rule since the ruling, and I don't think they ever will, and if they're smart (which is assuming a lot) they'll never try.

-One by one, states started to pass laws pertaining to NIL. The NCAA was not in a position to ignore them. So, they didn't. They just said NIL is in play.

And...that's where we are. I don't know how this is going to play out, but I'm guessing amateurism rules will completely go away, and even if they don't there will never be an attempt to enforce them again.