When will College Sports start up again

[MADXSTER]

Heard of one college that is switching back to Quarters. They have told their students that the first quarter will be online. Second quarter will be determined at a later date. This obviously means that they will not be having fall sports though.

[XUGRAD80]

It all depends on how this limited “reopening” of the economy goes. If we don’t see a big jump in positive cases and deaths when people start back doing things like going to the gym, shopping, traveling, eating a restaurants, then we will likely have college football start back up in late September/ early October and play a more limited schedule. BUT, if all H**L breaks loose, then I can see them cancelling in-person school and sporting events until a vaccine is created and widely distributed...make that 1-2 years.

[Masterofreality]

It all depends on how this limited “reopening” of the economy goes. If we don’t see a big jump in positive cases and deaths when people start back doing things like going to the gym, shopping, traveling, eating a restaurants, then we will likely have college football start back up in late September/ early October and play a more limited schedule. BUT, if all H**L breaks loose, then I can see them cancelling in-person school and sporting events until a vaccine is created and widely distributed...make that 1-2 years.

Wait until they require testing every other day! There's your spike in positive cases and it will never end... Until there's a vaccine!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy, we got tests!!!

[Blue Blooded-05]

Not until we achieve 1 of the following:
- Medically proven vaccine
- Medically proven treatment
- Herd immunity with medically proven zero reinfection rate

We’re not particularly close to any of these

Here is my completely random and outlandish prediction....

By the fall, we’ll start seeing statistics that will show that 18-22 year olds have the same probability of dying from Covid as they do dying from the team bus crashing on the way to the game. Games will play in empty gyms with remote announcers. NCAA will allow staffs with older assistants to watch from home and communicate remotely during the games. This will cause initial controversy but will then become the norm as teams scramble to find older retired coaches to watch from home, break down tape and relay recommendations in real time. Xavier will then hire Pete Gillen as an assistant coach.

[xubrew]

This is just my own speculation, but I don't think college sports will be played at all this Fall. I don't know if they'll try and move football, volleyball, soccer, etc to the Spring. It's feasible because other than football (and I guess even sort of football) they all have non-championship seasons in the spring. I don't know if they'll just say 'Forget it. We'll start back up next year.' But, I do not think there will be any college sports this fall.

HOPEFULLY winter sports will be able to start up. But I wouldn't even bank on that just yet.

[xavierj]

This is just my own speculation, but I don't think college sports will be played at all this Fall. I don't know if they'll try and move football, volleyball, soccer, etc to the Spring. It's feasible because other than football (and I guess even sort of football) they all have non-championship seasons in the spring. I don't know if they'll just say 'Forget it. We'll start back up next year.' But, I do not think there will be any college sports this fall.

HOPEFULLY winter sports will be able to start up. But I wouldn't even bank on that just yet.

That would be a disaster. They will find a way to play it. It might be limited fans spread out, but they will play. No reason not to. The kids are of no risk. And its not like the athletes are hanging out with the at risk population. Where my son plays they expect to be back in June and the college president announced that classes will resume in the fall on campus. Of course things can change. Iowa announced yesterday that practices will resume June 1st. Too much push will come if they try to cancel it. The amount of money lost would be devastating. At some point you can't keep holding the country hostage. I mean if we are waiting for a vaccine then you would have to cancel two years worth of sports.

[xu82]

That would be a disaster. They will find a way to play it. It might be limited fans spread out, but they will play. No reason not to. The kids are of no risk. And its not like the athletes are hanging out with the at risk population. Where my son plays they expect to be back in June and the college president announced that classes will resume in the fall on campus. Of course things can change. Iowa announced yesterday that practices will resume June 1st. Too much push will come if they try to cancel it. The amount of money lost would be devastating. At some point you can't keep holding the country hostage. I mean if we are waiting for a vaccine then you would have to cancel two years worth of sports.

Two years? They have already approved Remdesivir for treatment (for emergency use only at this point). Supposedly it reduces recovery time by 31% according to early testing.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/01/849244322/fda-gives-emergency-authorization-for-hospitalized-patients-to-use-remdesivir

And AstraZeneca is so confident the Oxford University vaccine will be successful (it’s not new, it’s an adaptation of an existing vaccine as I understand it) that they are beginning production even before trials are completed.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/astrazeneca-and-oxford-university-announce-landmark-agreement-for-covid-19-vaccine.html

Don’t get me wrong, I’m NOT saying we have this thing beaten, but the rapid progress is pretty damn impressive to me. Credible hope for both a treatment and a vaccine much faster than original estimates. I’m not trying to play a doctor on the internet, but I find this encouraging. What can be done when the pressure is on is on! Fingers crossed.

[bjf123]

Without a working vaccine, I don’t think there will be any fans for pro sports this year. I’ll also be very surprised if there are fall or winter college sports played at all. If there aren’t students on campus, can you really have sports teams on campus? While unlikely, should a student athlete get sick and die at a school where they only let the athletes back on campus, open the checkbook, because you’re paying a big assed settlement.

So far, everyone is taking the overly cautious route. Whether it’s actually necessary is a completely different issue.


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[JEHARDI]

Georgia announced they will have students back on campus this summer and expect to start school as planned in the fall with students on campus. Unless there is a spike in hospitalizations and deaths in the next month, schools will be back and sports will be played in the fall. Whether or not their are fans is another story.

[xubrew]

Georgia announced they will have students back on campus this summer and expect to start school as planned in the fall with students on campus. Unless there is a spike in hospitalizations and deaths in the next month, schools will be back and sports will be played in the fall. Whether or not their are fans is another story.

I REALLY hope you're right. But....

All ten FBS conference commissioners have basically said that they won't play any fall sports unless all the students are back. They've said that publicly both collectively and as individuals. Bob Bolwsby said the Big 12 wouldn't play unless all students were back. Hell, all ten of them told the Vice President of the United States that.

Playing in empty stadiums is far less likely in college than it is in the pros. A lot of presidents don't want to do it. Gene Smith at Ohio State has indicated that he doesn't want to do it, and I believe that he is far from alone on that. The thing is that playing in empty stadiums doesn't really do anything to protect the players. Unless fans rush the field, the players don't really come into contact with them.

But, I think the biggest thing is this. Schools aren't going to want to spend money on football if they aren't even sure if there is going to be football. If they are able to determine that football will go on uninterrupted, then great! Game on! But if they aren't sure, and they run the risk of losing revenue from not playing, then they aren't going to want to devote any revenue or resources to it and run the risk of it being cancelled anyway. All campuses are going to be stretched very thin as it is, and they may look for ways to suspend athletics in the fall and try and save money by furloughing coaches and staff. Simply put, if presented with the question of whether or not to spend tens of millions of dollars on something that may not even happen, or coming up with a way to not have to do that, then they may look to go the route of Option B. I know coaches have contracts, but apparently if football is suspended then a lot of schools will be able to get around having to pay them.

[Lamont Sanford]

On the ESPN ticker this weekend, it reported that NFL sources are saying the 2020 NFL season will start as planned in September with the Super Bowl on 2/7/21 in Tampa. Didn't say anything about fans in the stands, but that they are planning to play in Fall 2020 in September. That is some form of hope to me.

[JEHARDI]

I REALLY hope you're right. But....

All ten FBS conference commissioners have basically said that they won't play any fall sports unless all the students are back. They've said that publicly both collectively and as individuals. Bob Bolwsby said the Big 12 wouldn't play unless all students were back. Hell, all ten of them told the Vice President of the United States that.

Playing in empty stadiums is far less likely in college than it is in the pros. A lot of presidents don't want to do it. Gene Smith at Ohio State has indicated that he doesn't want to do it, and I believe that he is far from alone on that. The thing is that playing in empty stadiums doesn't really do anything to protect the players. Unless fans rush the field, the players don't really come into contact with them.

But, I think the biggest thing is this. Schools aren't going to want to spend money on football if they aren't even sure if there is going to be football. If they are able to determine that football will go on uninterrupted, then great! Game on! But if they aren't sure, and they run the risk of losing revenue from not playing, then they aren't going to want to devote any revenue or resources to it and run the risk of it being cancelled anyway. All campuses are going to be stretched very thin as it is, and they may look for ways to suspend athletics in the fall and try and save money by furloughing coaches and staff. Simply put, if presented with the question of whether or not to spend tens of millions of dollars on something that may not even happen, or coming up with a way to not have to do that, then they may look to go the route of Option B. I know coaches have contracts, but apparently if football is suspended then a lot of schools will be able to get around having to pay them.

Significant TV $ at stake. They will play without fans if they have to. The money will drive a fall return.

[xubrew]

Significant TV $ at stake. They will play without fans if they have to. The money will drive a fall return.

There was significant TV money at stake for the NCAA Tournament, and there are more schools that rely on that than what rely on football money. Plus, if they say they're to play and then end up not being able to because some of the states won't allow it, then they're out both the TV money and the money for operations.

You also have to look not so much at what you think makes sense, but rather at what the people who will ultimately end up making the decision are saying. That's the presidents and the commissioners. I can't find one example of either a president or a commissioner saying that they are considering playing without fans.

[xavierj]

There was significant TV money at stake for the NCAA Tournament, and there are more schools that rely on that than what rely on football money. Plus, if they say they're to play and then end up not being able to because some of the states won't allow it, then they're out both the TV money and the money for operations.

You also have to look not so much at what you think makes sense, but rather at what the people who will ultimately end up making the decision are saying. That's the presidents and the commissioners. I can't find one example of either a president or a commissioner saying that they are considering playing without fans.

Football is the cash cow. I saw something that said that teams that play college football generate more football revenue Combined than all other sports the offer, including basketball. Alabama generates around $110 million from football, and $14 million from basketball. Football cancelling would have a huge impact on all college sports. Much greater than cancelling the basketball tourney.

[xudash]

If you believe that the SEC is going to cancel football this season, then I have some swampland in Florida to sell to you.

[paulxu]

I'm surprised they have cancelled pro golf.
Have to believe the majority of the money made comes from TV ads, rather than gate receipts.
Thought they could have reduced purses, and played without spectators.

[xudash]

I'm surprised they have cancelled pro golf.
Have to believe the majority of the money made comes from TV ads, rather than gate receipts.
Thought they could have reduced purses, and played without spectators.

Good point from a logistics/staging point of view.

It probably was locked up for the potential for bad optics.

[paulxu]

Good point from a logistics/staging point of view.

It probably was locked up for the potential for bad optics.

That make sense. Also means they should be the first back.

[xubrew]

Football is the cash cow. I saw something that said that teams that play college football generate more football revenue Combined than all other sports the offer, including basketball. Alabama generates around $110 million from football, and $14 million from basketball. Football cancelling would have a huge impact on all college sports. Much greater than cancelling the basketball tourney.

There are 353 div1 schools. 97 of those are like Xavier and don't even play football, and of the 256 that do, about 180-190 of them make more money off of basketball than they do off of football. Outside of the FBS, and even in some cases within the FBS, football is not the big moneymaker. They rely much more on the basketball tournament revenue than the football revenue.


If you believe that the SEC is going to cancel football this season, then I have some swampland in Florida to sell to you.

Okay, just think about what you just said and see if you can figure out why it makes no sense. I've been laughing at it since I read it. Saying you have beachfront property in Nebraska is an obvious scam because it offers something that people would want, but that clearly does not exist. Saying you have swamp land in Florida is offering something that no one wants, but that in actuality exists in abundance and that really isn't that hard to acquire.

I have no doubt that the SEC wants to play and will make every effort to play. All ten FBS commissioners talk several times a week. They all want to try to go ahead with the season, which is good. But, it's also true that they've discussed postponing and even cancelling. None of them have ruled it out as a possibility. And, it ultimately may not even be up to them. If there is another spike after the states start to open up again and shelter in place orders are renewed, then it's out of their hands.

I think by July 1st, one way or another, we will have a much better idea of what things will look like. We can look at places like Sweden and see where they are. We can look at states that have opened back up and see where they are. We can see if there is an adequate amount of testing by then or not. But, I seriously doubt that university presidents will want to devout money and resources toward athletic operations unless they are certain that the games can actually be played. It's bad being out TV and attendance revenue. It's worse being out the operational revenue on top of that, especially when they're having to make cuts, furloughs, and layoffs right now across campus as it is. If no cuts are made to athletics, and the games don't happen, good luck on maintaining any support from the faculty and staff if you're a university president.

[JEHARDI]

The NCAA is circulating a document titled the "Core Principles of Resocialization of Collegiate Sport" it documents what needs to happen to start sports back up. Fans are not part of the requirement and the requirements on whole are very achievable given where most states are now headed.

[paulxu]

Fans are not part of the requirement .

Yikes

[xudash]

There are 353 div1 schools. 97 of those are like Xavier and don't even play football, and of the 256 that do, about 180-190 of them make more money off of basketball than they do off of football. Outside of the FBS, and even in some cases within the FBS, football is not the big moneymaker. They rely much more on the basketball tournament revenue than the football revenue.



Okay, just think about what you just said and see if you can figure out why it makes no sense. I've been laughing at it since I read it. Saying you have beachfront property in Nebraska is an obvious scam because it offers something that people would want, but that clearly does not exist. Saying you have swamp land in Florida is offering something that no one wants, but that in actuality exists in abundance and that really isn't that hard to acquire.

I have no doubt that the SEC wants to play and will make every effort to play. All ten FBS commissioners talk several times a week. They all want to try to go ahead with the season, which is good. But, it's also true that they've discussed postponing and even cancelling. None of them have ruled it out as a possibility. And, it ultimately may not even be up to them. If there is another spike after the states start to open up again and shelter in place orders are renewed, then it's out of their hands.

I think by July 1st, one way or another, we will have a much better idea of what things will look like. We can look at places like Sweden and see where they are. We can look at states that have opened back up and see where they are. We can see if there is an adequate amount of testing by then or not. But, I seriously doubt that university presidents will want to devout money and resources toward athletic operations unless they are certain that the games can actually be played. It's bad being out TV and attendance revenue. It's worse being out the operational revenue on top of that, especially when they're having to make cuts, furloughs, and layoffs right now across campus as it is. If no cuts are made to athletics, and the games don't happen, good luck on maintaining any support from the faculty and staff if you're a university president.

You clearly are not a student of Florida history.

[xubrew]

The Cal State system has announced they will be online for the fall semester. This includes about half of the Big West along with Fresno State, San Jose State, and San Diego State. I assume this means they won’t be playing sports in the fall.

[xubrew]

It’s starting to be rumored on Twitter that USC has reached out to Alabama and told them that they aren’t going to play in the season opener.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ColinCowherd/status/1260367991469834240?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[xudash]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlive.com/sports/2020/05/mac-cuts-conference-tournaments-for-eight-sports-adjusts-hoops-tourney-format.html%3foutputType=amp

[xubrew]

Promising!!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/05/20/ncaa-says-college-football-basketball-team-activities-resume/5231877002/

[xubrew]

It looks like the Ivy is moving football to the spring. They were also the first ones to cancel their basketball conference tournaments.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/07/01/ivy-league-to-announce-decision-on-football-july-8-source-says-spring-schedule-is-98-percent-likely/#4a08367b6037

[xubrew]

Ivy League has canceled all sports until January 1

[xu82]

Ivy League has canceled all sports until January 1

Let’s see, they’re the smart ones, right?

I’m not seeing an NFL season this year. I hope I’m wrong. We wanted to head up the the NC mountains for a little trip, but passed due to mandatory mask policies. Today it comes out our Mayor is instituting a similar policy. How do you start training camp and pull off a season in this environment? Do the Bills go into quarantine after playing the Dolphins on the road? What happens when your OLine meeting room is devastated by infections? So many questions, so few answers.

[xubrew]

Rumors are that the Big Ten is meeting tomorrow to discuss a 10 game conference only schedule. Not sure what the point of that is. I don’t think you’re any more or less likely to become infected playing OOC games.

[Lamont Sanford]

I simply don't get the Ivy League decision. Plenty of contactless sports (track, tennis, golf, cross country) that can be played in the Fall safely. There is no way they play Spring football either. Not after the winter and cold/flu season.

[Xville]

I simply don't get the Ivy League decision. Plenty of contactless sports (track, tennis, golf, cross country) that can be played in the Fall safely. There is no way they play Spring football either. Not after the winter and cold/flu season.

I'm not sure of their athletic financials, and maybe this is off base because they dont have the television deals that high major d 1 schools do, but maybe since they were not going to be able to play football or basketball, they cancelled everything that was a non revenue generating sport as well.

I really dont know how college football is going to happen this year. I dont see it happening, and if that doesnt happen, I dont see how most schools are going to have any athletics this school year. For a lot of schools, that is 1 of 2 or maybe 3 that actually produce money, the other sports at best break even and most lose money overall.

[xubrew]

I'm not sure of their athletic financials, and maybe this is off base because they dont have the television deals that high major d 1 schools do, but maybe since they were not going to be able to play football or basketball, they cancelled everything that was a non revenue generating sport as well.

I really dont know how college football is going to happen this year. I dont see it happening, and if that doesnt happen, I dont see how most schools are going to have any athletics this school year. For a lot of schools, that is 1 of 2 or maybe 3 that actually produce money, the other sports at best break even and most lose money overall.

Basketball makes more money than football for the Ivy League schools. I think it's more or less a matter of them not wanting to tell some sports they can play and other sports that they cannot.

There is a good chance the Patriot League will make the same decision.

This is running pretty rampant through the schools that brought players back for voluntary workouts. It's more than what's been reported in the press. If it's this bad now, then one can reason that it will be even worse when they start to actually travel and play against other teams. Then again, one can reason that it won't be as bad. If everyone gets it now, then they may be recovered and immune from it later. Who knows?

I'm just guessing, but I think that if colleges reopen then by the end of September this will be at a level that it has not been at before. You can social distance in classrooms, and in residence halls, and in dining halls, but any social distancing rules that any college tries to put in place will be followed by the students in about the same way that the no alcohol rules are followed. Those first few weekends when they're crammed into crowded house parties, and yelling over loud music, and drinking/sharing plastic cups, and grinding on each other, and slobbering all over the place because...well...drunk people slobber a lot, this is going to explode. I think any college that wants to reopen has to anticipate that 1/3rd of their students will become infected. Now, if the trends are correct, then more than 90 percent of them will recover without having to go to the hospital, so one could argue that schools should still try and stay open, but this is going to spread in a big way. You can't have college sports without the college. Maybe shutting down college sports for at least the fall, but keeping the schools open, is the best way to go.

[xubrew]

I keep flip-flopping.

My thoughts have gone from "It'll be over by the Spring" to "College football may not happen" to "Hey, it looks like it'll subside by the Fall and college football will happen!" to "No way college football happens" to "It looks like they're going to try and play and will probably succeed! We will have football" to "It once again looks like there won't be any football."

I don't think there will be college sports this fall. That's what I think....today. Tomorrow, I may think that they will happen again.

[GoMuskies]

I keep flip-flopping.

My thoughts have gone from "It'll be over by the Spring" to "College football may not happen" to "Hey, it looks like it'll subside by the Fall and college football will happen!" to "No way college football happens" to "It looks like they're going to try and play and will probably succeed! We will have football" to "It once again looks like there won't be any football."

I don't think there will be college sports this fall. That's what I think....today. Tomorrow, I may think that they will happen again.

You should apply for a position at the CDC.

[xubrew]

You should apply for a position at the CDC.

Hmmmm.....I wonder how much they pay their test subjects? I’m qualified to do that!!

[Xavier]

College sports are so tough. Simple guess but I think I could see Big East go just to conference only schedule. Announce it now so it gives you another 4+months to see how fall goes before straight canceling the year.

Hope I am wrong but I don't see CBB happening either. I do see NFL happening, and NBA.

[drudy23]

College sports are so tough. Simple guess but I think I could see Big East go just to conference only schedule. Announce it now so it gives you another 4+months to see how fall goes before straight canceling the year.

Hope I am wrong but I don't see CBB happening either. I do see NFL happening, and NBA.

Why? The season starts in November. It’s 5 months away. We haven’t even been in the pandemic officially for 5 months yet.

[xu82]

Why? The season starts in November. It’s 5 months away. We haven’t even been in the pandemic officially for 5 months yet.

Unfortunately, we do not seem to be trending in the right direction. Quite the opposite. I’m hoping for a vaccine in another 6 months or so, as well as some better treatment protocols. They HAVE learned a lot already, it seems.

I’m very concerned about any fall sports at this point, with or without fans. Just when the Bills stand the best chance of winning the AFCE this century. Figures..........

[xavierj]

Unfortunately, we do not seem to be trending in the right direction. Quite the opposite. I’m hoping for a vaccine in another 6 months or so, as well as some better treatment protocols. They HAVE learned a lot already, it seems.

I’m very concerned about any fall sports at this point, with or without fans. Just when the Bills stand the best chance of winning the AFCE this century. Figures..........

It depends on what trending in the right direction means. New York went through what Texas is going through now and it eventually leveled off so probably in the next month we should start trending down everywhere. Probably a good chance if we never shut down that we would be through this already. In addition we are seeing a lot of cases but that was to be expected since a lot more people are getting tested and on top of that the positive rate is higher but the death rate keeps dropping. A lot of positive tests are with people with zero symptoms. With that said I think college football screwed and basketball may be as well because people are flipping out about the higher positives showing up but since we seem to be protecting older more vulnerable people, we are not seeing mass deaths like before. Texas has 230,000 positive cases and 2,900 deaths. Arizona has over 100,000 cases and 2,000 deaths. Ohio has 60,000 cases and 3,000 deaths, most from two months ago because a lot of the deaths were from nursing homes or older people not being protected. So I think we are in much better shape now than we were as far as a health risk goes.

[xu82]

B
It depends on what trending in the right direction means.

So......you LIKE the direction? I mean, you realize deaths are a lagging indicator, right? And a few weeks clinging to life in a hospital is not exactly a WIN if you survive?

As I said, treatment appears to be improving. This is still NOT a good trend. I wear a mask in stores and avoid crowds. Too many people can’t make those minimal efforts. No excuse for that, IMO.


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[xavierj]

B

So......you LIKE the direction? I mean, you realize deaths are a lagging indicator, right? And a few weeks clinging to life in a hospital is not exactly a WIN if you survive?

As I said, treatment appears to be improving. This is still NOT a good trend. I wear a mask in stores and avoid crowds. Too many people can’t make those minimal efforts. No excuse for that, IMO.


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I guess I am just confused why Texas has so many cases and very few deaths comparatively. I guess it’s the treatment. They have 2,900 deaths from over 200,000 and Corna has been around 5 months. Also I now wear a mask, didn’t before, but confused as to why so many more people are getting it and most people I come in contact with are wearing masks. Had 4 people at work get the virus and all 4 have been so conscious wearing masks since this thing started. Time will tell I guess.

[xu82]

I guess I am just confused why Texas has so many cases and very few deaths comparatively. I guess it’s the treatment. They have 2,900 deaths from over 200,000 and Corna has been around 5 months. Also I now wear a mask, didn’t before, but confused as to why so many more people are getting it and most people I come in contact with are wearing masks. Had 4 people at work get the virus and all 4 have been so conscious wearing masks since this thing started. Time will tell I guess.

Your anecdotal evidence is cute. The workers wearing masks didn’t do it to protect themselves (unless they were clueless). They wear the mask to protect YOU and others around you. It was more likely the people around them who couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask who infected them.

Look, I’m not hard core on this. I go out and about, shopping and eating at outdoor/patio restaurants. I wear a mask indoors with others. I wash my hands. I tip servers better than ever. My mask at the grocery store is out of respect for other shoppers and mostly the cashiers. They deserve that.

Care seems to be improving, but if it’s my mother who catches it and she dies because someone was too cavalier about this, that won’t help make me feel any better. She’s in lock down, sacred to death, and I do all her shopping. BUT, it’s not just old people. A friend of a friend just lost a 22 year old daughter after a 3 month battle in the hospital. It’s not just for old people anymore. These are real people, family members and friends. We need to move forward, but wisely.

[XU '11]

I simply don't get the Ivy League decision. Plenty of contactless sports (track, tennis, golf, cross country) that can be played in the Fall safely. There is no way they play Spring football either. Not after the winter and cold/flu season.

Ivy League schools had zero downside to cancelling. They can charge full price and enrollment will always be at capacity. Just like everybody else, they were struggling financially due to COVID so what is the upside to them to having sports?

Most other universities either (a) need the tuition, room and board to stay afloat and if they aren't an extremely elite academic school, will lose students if they can't be on campus or (b) need the revenue from football and/or basketball.

[Xville]

Ivy League schools had zero downside to cancelling. They can charge full price and enrollment will always be at capacity. Just like everybody else, they were struggling financially due to COVID so what is the upside to them to having sports?

Most other universities either (a) need the tuition, room and board to stay afloat and if they aren't an extremely elite academic school, will lose students if they can't be on campus or (b) need the revenue from football and/or basketball.

In my opinion paying 46k for Harvard online is completely asinine and not worth the money.

[GoMuskies]

The $184k ($46k x 4) is for the name on the sheepskin, not for any knowledge allegedly gained.

[X-man]

In my opinion paying 46k for Harvard online is completely asinine and not worth the money.

Apparently there are more than enough people that disagree with you. Harvard has one of the lowest acceptance rates in the US.

[Lloyd Braun]

In my opinion paying 46k for Harvard online is completely asinine and not worth the money.

So let’s say you are going into your 2nd year. Do you sit the year out? Try to find somewhere else to go locally? What are the odds those credits transfer into Harvard? I don’t foresee them as friendly in that regard, so really there are not many practical options for most of these students other than stay the course.

[Xville]

So let’s say you are going into your 2nd year. Do you sit the year out? Try to find somewhere else to go locally? What are the odds those credits transfer into Harvard? I don’t foresee them as friendly in that regard, so really there are not many practical options for most of these students other than stay the course.

If sitting out a year is an option, that's what I would suggest. I dont see the value in paying 46k for an online education. The value of harvard (other than the piece of paper) is the actual campus life and networking that comes with it. An online education you can get from the university of Phoenix for a substantially lower cost.

[Xville]

Apparently there are more than enough people that disagree with you. Harvard has one of the lowest acceptance rates in the US.

I'll be interested to see how things look next month if they release enrollment figures

[X-man]

I'll be interested to see how things look next month if they release enrollment figures

I can tell you with near certainty that Harvard will keep its enrollment numbers. It helps, of course, because virtually no one pays anything close to their listed tuition. That's true at most universities, including Xavier, but Harvard does more of it than most.

[xubrew]

MEAC has cancelled fall sports.

[noteggs]

Big East is now only doing conference games for the fall.

[JTG]

Big East is now only doing conference games for the fall.
Hmmm, could this mean no Shoot Out come bball season ?

[XU '11]

Hmmm, could this mean no Shoot Out come bball season ?

That was for fall sports, not the fall semester.

It might ultimately happen for basketball too, but that hasn't been announced yet.

[noteggs]

That was for fall sports, not the fall semester.

It might ultimately happen for basketball too, but that hasn't been announced yet.

Correct. Thanks for adding “sports” as I did not. Sorry to scare anyone. Heard DePaul has decided not to play golf and some other sport I can’t remember

[xu82]

Hmmm, could this mean no Shoot Out come bball season ?


It could be the first step toward the announcement that there is no bball season. That is my guess at this point, sadly.

[xubrew]

Rumors are that the Colonial will announce tomorrow that they will not play football this fall

[American X]

The Coming College-Sports Apocalypse (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-coming-college-sports-apocalypse/)
Brutal economic realities are about to catch up to big-time NCAA programs.Last week, Stanford announced that the coming season — if there is a season — will be the last for eleven of the school’s sports teams (https://news.stanford.edu/2020/07/08/athletics/): men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming, men’s volleyball, and wrestling.

Those concerns have become more pressing as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, and a day of reckoning may now be coming for college sports. If Stanford, with the fourth-largest endowment in the country (https://thebestschools.org/features/richest-universities-endowments-generosity-research/), cannot sustain its less-prominent sports programs, how many other colleges will end up making similar cuts? How many students will lose their athletic scholarships in the process? If, as seems likely, the answer to both questions is “many,” the NCAA landscape will soon look dramatically different, with fewer sports, fewer teams, fewer scholarships, and fewer student-athletes.

[smileyy]

I'm not optimistic for a basketball season. Things are getting worse, not better, with no end in sight.

[JTG]

Stanford, with all their money, is taking a chicken shit way out on this. They could let those eleven sports ride for one year and barely miss the money. Albeit some of those sports are pretty obscure, and probably should be dropped. I'm not giving up on basketball until fall. Strictly conference play starting in late Dec is doable, until proven otherwise.

[xavierj]

Stanford, with all their money, is taking a chicken shit way out on this. They could let those eleven sports ride for one year and barely miss the money. Albeit some of those sports are pretty obscure, and probably should be dropped. I'm not giving up on basketball until fall. Strictly conference play starting in late Dec is doable, until proven otherwise.

This is what I don’t get about college sports. Kids are playing sports right now all over the country. Football, basketball, soccer and baseball and pro sports are about to get started but we can’t play college sports? Is it that hard to just make sure the the people who may be at risk just don’t go to the games and let the young college men and women play sports? I mean test and be smart. If a coach or ref that could be a risk is worried, have them sit the season out. College aged kids have basically zero risk with this thing.

[JTG]

This is what I don’t get about college sports. Kids are playing sports right now all over the country. Football, basketball, soccer and baseball and pro sports are about to get started but we can’t play college sports? Is it that hard to just make sure the the people who may be at risk just don’t go to the games and let the young college men and women play sports? I mean test and be smart. If a coach or ref that could be a risk is worried, have them sit the season out. College aged kids have basically zero risk with this thing.

You're dealing with college educators, long on book smarts, generally short on common sense.

[xuwillie]

It’s not even about science anymore and all about politics. Don’t you think most of these universities are run by liberals? My kids have been playing soccer the past 2 months. Had our first out of state tournament last week.

[paulxu]

Of course some teams are having outbreaks of positive tests:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/indiana-suspends-voluntary-football-workouts-after-six-members-of-team-test-positive-for-covid-19/

Not sure what the administrators/coaches should do when faced with this sort of problem.
I think the concern is that no one yet can measure the long term impact of having the virus, or testing positive with no bad symptoms.
Down the road it might mean all sorts of complications.

Younger people now contracting virus:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/texas-infants-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

[GoMuskies]

It’s not even about science anymore and all about politics. Don’t you think most of these universities are run by liberals? My kids have been playing soccer the past 2 months. Had our first out of state tournament last week.

They aren't testing at these events like they are for pro sports and on college campuses. I'm sure there are a number of Covid positive kids at these tournaments and no one knows it. I'm not arguing against kids sports. I just got back from coaching baseball practice for nine 9 year olds and they are definitely not socially distancing. Just pointing out the difference between high profile sports and kids sports. In the high profile sports, you find out about the asymptomatic positives and shut everything down.

[JTG]

Of course some teams are having outbreaks of positive tests:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/indiana-suspends-voluntary-football-workouts-after-six-members-of-team-test-positive-for-covid-19/

Not sure what the administrators/coaches should do when faced with this sort of problem.
I think the concern is that no one yet can measure the long term impact of having the virus, or testing positive with no bad symptoms.
Down the road it might mean all sorts of complications.

Younger people now contracting virus:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/texas-infants-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

Or down the road it maybe no more than the memory of a nasty cold.

[xavierj]

In 2017-2018 Flu season there were 61,000 deaths total and and 640 in ages 0-17. With Covid we supposedly have 141,000 deaths but only 55 between 0-17 years of age. And only 155 from 0-24. All deaths suck but it’s clear younger people have little issue with this unless they have other health issues it appears.

[bobbiemcgee]

85 babies in one county;

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/texas-infants-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

[xubrew]

It's looking like fall college sports either won't happen at all, or will happen but under circumstances that are so different than what we are used to that it may not even rise to the level of feeling like college sports. And, I kinda gotta ask, if fans aren't going to get an experience that feels like the diversion we are used to, then will whatever they roll out even be worth it to the fans?? For that matter, would it even be worth it to the players? They get four years of eligibility. Do they want whatever the hell this Fall is going to look like to count for 25 percent of their experience as a college athlete?? IF we play sports at all?

[Muskie in dayton]

85 babies in one county;

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/texas-infants-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

CNN's fear porn debunked: https://www.kristv.com/news/coronavirus/canales-clarifies-reports-about-local-infant-covid-numbers
- 85 is the number since March. Not a sudden spike as CNN wants you to believe so you poop your pants and keep watching.
- Most found through contact tracing, not because of being sick
- None died from COVID.

And just for good measure, they weren't all babies. 33 were between 1 and 2: https://www.necn.com/news/coronavirus/85-infants-have-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-in-1-texas-county-as-u-s-sets-new-record/2299445/

Stop watching CNN Bobby. Be better.

[XU_Lou]

CNN's fear porn debunked: https://www.kristv.com/news/coronavirus/canales-clarifies-reports-about-local-infant-covid-numbers
- 85 is the number since March. Not a sudden spike as CNN wants you to believe so you poop your pants and keep watching.
- Most found through contact tracing, not because of being sick
- None died from COVID.

And just for good measure, they weren't all babies. 33 were between 1 and 2: https://www.necn.com/news/coronavirus/85-infants-have-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-in-1-texas-county-as-u-s-sets-new-record/2299445/

Stop watching CNN Bobby. Be better.

Thank you, was just about ready to post this info!

[paulxu]

Well, Breitbart says most of the cases are in a 2 week July period.
Are they fake news?

https://www.breitbart.com/news/most-young-virus-cases-in-texas-county-diagnosed-this-month/

I don't think it was overplayed by CNN. If you've had 85 cases since mid-March, and 60 of them in the last 2 weeks, that looks like a surge to me.

[Muskie in dayton]

Well, Breitbart says most of the cases are in a 2 week July period.
Are they fake news?

https://www.breitbart.com/news/most-young-virus-cases-in-texas-county-diagnosed-this-month/

I don't think it was overplayed by CNN. If you've had 85 cases since mid-March, and 60 of them in the last 2 weeks, that looks like a surge to me.
Are you talking about cases or tests? Or are they the same? It’s amazing how much more you’ll find something when you are looking for it.

[paulxu]

Huh? They said tested positive. Call it what you'd like.

[xubrew]

SWAC has cancelled their fall sports.

[xubrew]

The NCAA Board of Governors meets on Friday and will likely discuss whether or not to cancel the Fall championships. Now, this would not include FBS football since that is not an NCAA Championship, but it would include FCS, D2, and D3 football, as well as all other fall sports in all three divisions. It also doesn't mean that schools couldn't go ahead and play a season if they really wanted to. It just means that at the end of it, there would be no NCAA Tournament, and in most cases most schools won't want to play.

I don't know what they'll do. I'm not even sure if I have an opinion anymore on what I think they should do. I do know that players only get four seasons, and if I were them (and I'm not) I don't think I'd be all that excited about wasting one of them on whatever whatever the hell this Fall is going to end up looking like if they do go ahead and play.

It's obvious that college sports as we know it will not happen this fall. They may happen in some shape or form, but a lot of what we like about sports won't be there. Will players and fans even want that?? Will it be like watching a really good R rated movie on network TV? It just won't be the same.

[smileyy]

I lol'ed at the R-rated movie bit :D

[Xavier]

It's obvious that college sports as we know it will not happen this fall. They may happen in some shape or form, but a lot of what we like about sports won't be there. Will players and fans even want that?? Will it be like watching a really good R rated movie on network TV? It just won't be the same.

At this point I would sign up for a conference only season with no fans. I will take what I can get.

[xubrew]

At this point I'd settle for winter sports. As things stand now I'm not entirely convinced we are going to get basketball this year.

For everyone that had been saying "No way they'll cancel football," I hope they're starting to come around to thinking that it is at least a possibility now. The virus really doesn't give a shit how much money schools could end up losing.

[xavierj]

At this point I'd settle for winter sports. As things stand now I'm not entirely convinced we are going to get basketball this year.

For everyone that had been saying "No way they'll cancel football," I hope they're starting to come around to thinking that it is at least a possibility now. The virus really doesn't give a shit how much money schools could end up losing.

If FBS schools don’t start pushing the season back by Aug 1st I think it’s a go. Even the Ohio Valley said they plan to start on time due to contractual agreements. My sons team starts fall camp tomorrow and the coaches plan is still to start Sept 5th and play alll games. Now they have two ACC games so we will see what the ACC decides to do.

[nuts4xu]

If FBS schools don’t start pushing the season back by Aug 1st I think it’s a go. Even the Ohio Valley said they plan to start on time due to contractual agreements. My sons team starts fall camp tomorrow and the coaches plan is still to start Sept 5th and play alll games. Now they have two ACC games so we will see what the ACC decides to do.

Great to hear, hope Luke has a great season!

[xavierj]

Great to hear, hope Luke has a great season!

Thanks Nuts. Looks like you are having fun with Leo. Kid looks like a player.

[xubrew]

I don't like repeating rumors. But...I'm about to do it anyway....

ACC and SEC are looking at 11 game schedules with 10 conference games and one OOC game and are looking at three different start dates. I guess the idea here is so Georgia Tech v Georgia, Clemson v SC, Florida State v Florida, etc can still take place. The Big 12 wants a full 12 game schedule. Those three leagues don't like that the Big Ten and Pac 12 made decisions without them.

The ACC is also considering cancelling all fall sports except football.


Now, does any of this matter?? Probably not. In some cases it may end up not even being the presidents' or conferences' decision to make. The governor of the state I live in has kicked around the idea of travel restrictions, meaning anyone who comes into the state, or leaves the state and returns, must isolate for 14 days. Now, most people can simply ignore this, but football teams and coaches that play for state institutions aren't most people. They can't just ignore this. If this goes into effect and sports are not exempt, it will essentially make college athletics impossible. And, then what? I guess they just cancel everything.

[xubrew]

MAAC has cancelled fall sports.

Old news by now, but the BOG has put off making a decision on fall championships.

[GoMuskies]

This MLB clusterfuck isn't going to help with college sports.

[xu82]

This MLB clusterfuck isn't going to help with college sports.

If the Marlins can’t even make it to the home opener, I don’t think colleges will be inspired to rush forward.....

[xubrew]

The clusterfuck in so many voluntary camps on college campuses is also an issue, but that seems to be being downplayed.

Here is the problem as I see it. It's worse now than it was when college sports were shut down, at least in regards to the number of active cases. It's likely going to continue to get worse before it starts to get better.

Now, I do think that a lot of college athletes who will end up getting this will end up getting it whether we try to resume playing college sports or not, but when you see the numbers of reported cases, and then also see the number of schools that aren't reporting their cases (and if you think it's because schools are naturally hesitant to report good news, then you're part of the part of the problem), then you see just how unprepared we are to restart college sports. But, I bet some schools will try it anyway!

[xavierj]

The clusterfuck in so many voluntary camps on college campuses is also an issue, but that seems to be being downplayed.

Here is the problem as I see it. It's worse now than it was when college sports were shut down, at least in regards to the number of active cases. It's likely going to continue to get worse before it starts to get better.

Now, I do think that a lot of college athletes who will end up getting this will end up getting it whether we try to resume playing college sports or not, but when you see the numbers of reported cases, and then also see the number of schools that aren't reporting their cases (and if you think it's because schools are naturally hesitant to report good news, then you're part of the part of the problem), then you see just how unprepared we are to restart college sports. But, I bet some schools will try it anyway!

The more that get it now will make it easier to play. All these kids are getting it one way or the other and it’s not just going to go away. Some kids on my sons team have had it and they were fine and back practicing after quarantining. The problem is the slow release will make it impossible to have a season in the fall in my opinion. Athletes will just keep getting it one by one instead of at one time. So 5 kids will get it right before a game and it won’t happen. I guess the good news is everyone will have had it by next year so maybe we can have college sports then.

[Xville]

This MLB clusterfuck isn't going to help with college sports.

Gee who woulda thought the mlb would screw something up?

[xubrew]

The more that get it now will make it easier to play. All these kids are getting it one way or the other and it’s not just going to go away. Some kids on my sons team have had it and they were fine and back practicing after quarantining. The problem is the slow release will make it impossible to have a season in the fall in my opinion. Athletes will just keep getting it one by one instead of at one time. So 5 kids will get it right before a game and it won’t happen. I guess the good news is everyone will have had it by next year so maybe we can have college sports then.

I think we will have college sports again by the spring. I'm hoping we can have them again before the end of the year. I think most fall sports will be cancelled, and the schools that don't cancel fall sports will not be able to complete a season. It isn't just the players, it's the coaching staff, support staff, and maybe the most important piece that no one has talked about is the athletic trainers. They are every bit as much on the front lines as nurses and doctors, but oftentimes not equipped with the resources. If we try and play fall sports, you will see games cancelled simply because a school will not have enough athletic trainers to work the games.

[sirthought]

Just running a game costs a school resources for the number of officials (refs, time keepers, etc.) Many of the people in those roles are people who fall into the immune compromised groups. And if they are trying to stay relevant without a crowd at the game, that means lots of media folks, who are usually free lancers coming and going off campus.

It's a sizable group of people the school can't always control the risk from, or how it might impact the program if someone is exposed at the event.

I have known some people who got the virus. Although they are technically considered recovered, the husband in the family is still struggling daily and will likely not be the same again. His high school and college age kids are having issues too, although much less severe.

Everyone may get it eventually, but I think it's smarter to avoid the students getting it as long as possible.

[xuphan]

Just running a game costs a school resources for the number of officials (refs, time keepers, etc.) Many of the people in those roles are people who fall into the immune compromised groups. And if they are trying to stay relevant without a crowd at the game, that means lots of media folks, who are usually free lancers coming and going off campus.

It's a sizable group of people the school can't always control the risk from, or how it might impact the program if someone is exposed at the event.

I have know some people who got the virus. Although they are technically considered recovered, the husband in the family is still struggling daily and will likely not be the same again. His high school and college age kids are having issues too, although much less severe.

Everyone may get it eventually, but I think it's smarter to avoid the students getting it as long as possible.

College Sports will start back up when Donald Trump says so. In all seriousness, I would say they will start back up when a vaccine is available to the public.

[boozehound]

I think we will have college sports again by the spring. I'm hoping we can have them again before the end of the year. I think most fall sports will be cancelled, and the schools that don't cancel fall sports will not be able to complete a season. It isn't just the players, it's the coaching staff, support staff, and maybe the most important piece that no one has talked about is the athletic trainers. They are every bit as much on the front lines as nurses and doctors, but oftentimes not equipped with the resources. If we try and play fall sports, you will see games cancelled simply because a school will not have enough athletic trainers to work the games.

I'm afraid you are right. We have been playing baseball for what, a week or two? The Marlins already have like 19 confirmed cases and have to cancel games. I just don't see any way we get through fall sports, if they even start.

This is going to be the shittiest winter ever.

[smileyy]

This is going to be the shittiest winter ever.

Echo that :(

[xubrew]

I'm afraid you are right. We have been playing baseball for what, a week or two? The Marlins already have like 19 confirmed cases and have to cancel games. I just don't see any way we get through fall sports, if they even start.

This is going to be the shittiest winter ever.

It will be the shittiest fall ever. If we get our shit together, we may be able to have a good winter.

Oh wait, what the hell am I thinking? Us getting our shit together?? Yeah, right.

It will be the shittiest winter ever.

[muskiefan82]

Seriously, the most compelling sports I have found during all of this are......marbles. I think I have lost mine....

https://jellesmarbleruns.fandom.com/wiki/Marble_League_2020

[GoMuskies]

Looks like FBS is full steam ahead with the season to start in a month. I'll believe it when I see it, but they sure are acting like it's going to happen.

[xavierj]

Looks like FBS is full steam ahead with the season to start in a month. I'll believe it when I see it, but they sure are acting like it's going to happen.

I think the power 5 conferences will play some kind of season or at least try to play it with or without any fans. My guess is most governors will either eliminate fans or limit them to 20% or less capacity. ACC, SEC and Big 12 will either do all conference games or conference plus 1 and they will not play games against the non power 5 or group of 5 conferences, whatever they are called. The non power 5 will basically lose money just by playing and will try to sue to get the payday they signed up for in their contracts with the power 5 schools, which will take a while to settle. So other than the Power 5, I don't see any other conferences playing in the fall. They will either move to spring or not play at all until the fall of 2021. Those that play better be prepared to use all 105 or whatever players are on their rosters, because I am sure they will have cases each week that come back positive, where they won't allow those players who test positive, as well as their roommates to suit up. Should be interesting. Or they already have so many guys that have had it that they will no longer have that many guys test positive when the season starts and it will not be that big of an issue.

[xubrew]

I think all sports but FBS football will end up being cancelled before they begin, and that FBS football will end up being cancelled very shortly after it begins.

Next week, I'll probably think something else.

[GoMuskies]

FCS's Missouri State (now known to me as Bobby Petrino U) is all set to travel to Norman, OK August 29 (they just moved the game up a week). And Iowa State just scheduled Ball State to replace Iowa. So at least some of the non-P5 FBS and the FCS are at least still actively making plans to play a month out.

[xu82]

I think all sports but FBS football will end up being cancelled before they begin, and that FBS football will end up being cancelled very shortly after it begins.

Next week, I'll probably think something else.

This week I’m on board with you.

[GoMuskies]

Well if the college football season DOES happen, one thing at least will certainly be interesting: Notre Dame is playing 10 ACC games. They'll be competing for their first ever conference championship.

[xubrew]

Well if the college football season DOES happen, one thing at least will certainly be interesting: Notre Dame is playing 10 ACC games. They'll be competing for their first ever conference championship.

If Notre Dame plays one game, wins it, and the season is cancelled after that, will they declare themselves ACC champs?

[GoMuskies]

If Notre Dame plays one game, wins it, and the season is cancelled after that, will they declare themselves ACC champs?

If ND plays 10 games and loses them all they may declare themselves ACC champs.

[xubrew]

The more that get it now will make it easier to play. All these kids are getting it one way or the other and it’s not just going to go away. Some kids on my sons team have had it and they were fine and back practicing after quarantining. The problem is the slow release will make it impossible to have a season in the fall in my opinion. Athletes will just keep getting it one by one instead of at one time. So 5 kids will get it right before a game and it won’t happen. I guess the good news is everyone will have had it by next year so maybe we can have college sports then.

This is totally nuts, but the thought has still crossed my mind knowing full well that it's totally nuts. Let's just have everyone in college athletics get it now. In 2-3 weeks it will have run its course, and by the second week in September we can fully start everything up. Play everything as scheduled, move Week 1 games to the end of the season, push conference championships back a week, and we are good to go!

[xudash]

If ND plays 10 games and loses them all they may declare themselves ACC champs.

The "VD" of football.

[GoMuskies]

The "VD" of football.

I like where your head is at, but in fairness to ND (which I hate to do) they HAVE been relevant in college football at some point in the last 50 years.

[GoMuskies]

I don't know who else might have started practice, but Bobby Petrino U (err Missouri State) opened fall camp yesterday. So college sports are back?

[xubrew]

The Board of Governors is supposed to vote on fall championships today. Again.

Chances are they will delay the vote. Again.

[Mrs. Garrett]

From a basketball prospective, I think the conferences should model themselves like the NBA bubble. Pick a site where the conference games will all be played and quarantine the players. They can complete all their courses remotely. Play conference games only and see where the virus is at come March Madness.

I am not even a huge fan of the NBA, but watching basketball the last week or so has been a nice change of pace from all the craziness.

[bobbiemcgee]

Play all the games @ Cintas. I like it!

[xavierj]

From a basketball prospective, I think the conferences should model themselves like the NBA bubble. Pick a site where the conference games will all be played and quarantine the players. They can complete all their courses remotely. Play conference games only and see where the virus is at come March Madness.

I am not even a huge fan of the NBA, but watching basketball the last week or so has been a nice change of pace from all the craziness.

I don’t think you can do that but could be wrong. I think there is something in the rules that would then make them professional athletes because they would be handled differently than the rest of the student body. Not to mention the huge extra added cost for each program to pay for hotels you would have to put them in for a considerable amount of time. And the virus will still be here in March. I think we are at least a year away from any kind of reliable vaccine. You either play and see what happens or shut it all down again. Let players make decisions if they want to play or not.

[Xavier]

Players would absolutely love that.

0% chance they would be able to do something like that. I do think AD's and Presidents are extremely worried about what is happening- can't afford to lose out on this amount of money. They will try anything and everything..

[xubrew]

I don’t think you can do that but could be wrong. I think there is something in the rules that would then make them professional athletes because they would be handled differently than the rest of the student body. Not to mention the huge extra added cost for each program to pay for hotels you would have to put them in for a considerable amount of time. And the virus will still be here in March. I think we are at least a year away from any kind of reliable vaccine. You either play and see what happens or shut it all down again. Let players make decisions if they want to play or not.

No. You're not wrong.

[sirthought]

According to this, Ohio fans might not see live sports for a while.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2020/08/04/you-able-attend-ohio-sporting-event-fall/3290350001/

[xubrew]

Div3 Fall championships have been cancelled

[XU '11]

No. You're not wrong.

I think it could happen for the whole time between Thanksgiving and MLK day when students won't be on campus anyway. That's a pretty good start.

[xubrew]

I think it could happen for the whole time between Thanksgiving and MLK day when students won't be on campus anyway. That's a pretty good start.

No, it won’t.

It’s not just the players. It’s the coaches, assistant coaches, administrators, support staff, GA’s, trainers, SIDs, referees (who, believe me, are not going to move in to a bubble for 8 weeks), and everyone else that has any contact at all with the players.

It won’t happen in college sports.

[xubrew]

MAC cancels fall sports. I believe they are the first FBS conference to do so. Don’t think they’ll be the last.

[xubrew]

I believe that by this time next week all fall college sports will be cancelled. We may not have college sports at all this year.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/09/ncaa-football-season-likely-to-be-canceled

[Lloyd Braun]

Yea this sucks

[xubrew]

Yea this sucks

Yes, it does. But, the virus doesn't give a shit how much this sucks. That's the thing. We are kind of on its timeline.

[paulxu]

Big 10 cancels football for this year:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/

Edit: maybe play in spring?

[XU_Lou]

Yes, it does. But, the virus doesn't give a shit how much this sucks. That's the thing. We are kind of on its timeline.

The actual virus, or the Democrat/media mass hysteria virus?

[STL_XUfan]

The actual virus, or the Democrat/media mass hysteria virus?

Comments like this are why each passing day I doubt more and more we will have college basketball this year.

[Xville]

Comments like this are why each passing day I doubt more and more we will have college basketball this year.

So you agree that the media have blown this way out of proportion as well then. Cool.

[xubrew]

Comments like this are why each passing day I doubt more and more we will have college basketball this year.

I'm beginning to think that we won't. But, I don't know how much it has to do with comments like this, or who will and won't wear masks, or whatever. I just don't think we are going to be in a situation of being able to manage it by October or November.

[X Factor]

Big 10 cancels football for this year:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/

Edit: maybe play in spring?

No kid with a chance to get drafted is going to play in the Spring.

Just stupid to cancel the season.

[nuts4xu]

Big 10 cancels football for this year:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big-ten-football-cancels-season-michigan-michigan-state/3332277001/

Edit: maybe play in spring?

Playing football in the spring is about the worst idea I’ve heard in a long time. Even if they play an abbreviated season in the spring, which ends in May (pure speculation), you are going to ask college kids to play again the fall, which starts end of July/early August? And then play 12-13 games before 2021?

Makes zero sense, and the idea is filled with reasons why it makes zero sense.

Play through it, or cancel the season. Period.

[XU 23]

$$$ocial Di$$$tancing.

It's okay to have thousands of freshman in the dorms together, but it's too dangerous to play football with 22 players on the field and no fans.

There's no way this is about player safety.

[Nigel Tufnel]

This seems like a no-brainer to me. Guess I just can’t see this from any other perspective than from a lawyer’s. I see this as risk/reward, liability/insurance. And I’d love to see college football this fall...but I just can’t see how it ultimately happens. Maybe the P5 will delay canceling...but I will be shocked if they play.

I think politics has played a role...but I think it’s mainly lawyers and insurers. Do you think an insurance company would be willing to insure a university who wants kids to play a contact sport amidst a global pandemic when nobody knows the long term health impacts even if someone is positive, yet asymptomatic? I sincerely doubt it.

So if the Universities aren’t probably insured from liability, will they be willing to accept liability if, say, Trevor Lawrence tests positive, is asymptotic, but 5 years from now has lungs like Swiss cheese and can’t play in the NFL? That’s a hundred million dollar lawsuit.

Can’t have the kids sign a waiver of liability. Optics would be horrible. Have 18-22 year olds sign a waiver when the University makes hundred of millions of dollars off them playing football.

My perspective is not in the least political...it’s risk/reward. If the Big 10 is considering canceling the season and leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table, what they are hearing from doctors, lawyers and their insurance companies must be terrifying.

[xu82]

This seems like a no-brainer to me. Guess I just can’t see this from any other perspective than from a lawyer’s. I see this as risk/reward, liability/insurance. And I’d love to see college football this fall...but I just can’t see how it ultimately happens. Maybe the P5 will delay canceling...but I will be shocked if they play.

I think politics has played a role...but I think it’s mainly lawyers and insurers. Do you think an insurance company would be willing to insure a university who wants kids to play a contact sport amidst a global pandemic when nobody knows the long term health impacts even if someone is positive, yet asymptomatic? I sincerely doubt it.

So if the Universities aren’t probably insured from liability, will they be willing to accept liability if, say, Trevor Lawrence tests positive, is asymptotic, but 5 years from now has lungs like Swiss cheese and can’t play in the NFL? That’s a hundred million dollar lawsuit.

Can’t have the kids sign a waiver of liability. Optics would be horrible. Have 18-22 year olds sign a waiver when the University makes hundred of millions of dollars off them playing football.

My perspective is not in the least political...it’s risk/reward. If the Big 10 is considering canceling the season and leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table, what they are hearing from doctors, lawyers and their insurance companies must be terrifying.


One word heard repeatedly all day long from every guy with a “source” on sports talk radio: LIABILITY

[Nigel Tufnel]

One word heard repeatedly all day long from every guy with a “source” on sports talk radio: LIABILITY

And rightfully so, in my opinion. The more I think about it...it’s probably the doctors and insurers that are controlling this more than the lawyers. The lawyers are probably advising that it’s legally risky...but the lawyers probably wouldn’t complain too much if they lined their pockets arguing cases of first impression before the Courts in a few years (if there are long term health impacts).

[X Factor]

Wouldn't the schools be liable for the general student population as well? Why bring thousands of students back onto campuses, living in dorms, fraternity, and sorority houses?

[Mrs. Garrett]

This seems like a no-brainer to me. Guess I just can’t see this from any other perspective than from a lawyer’s. I see this as risk/reward, liability/insurance. And I’d love to see college football this fall...but I just can’t see how it ultimately happens. Maybe the P5 will delay canceling...but I will be shocked if they play.

I think politics has played a role...but I think it’s mainly lawyers and insurers. Do you think an insurance company would be willing to insure a university who wants kids to play a contact sport amidst a global pandemic when nobody knows the long term health impacts even if someone is positive, yet asymptomatic? I sincerely doubt it.

So if the Universities aren’t probably insured from liability, will they be willing to accept liability if, say, Trevor Lawrence tests positive, is asymptotic, but 5 years from now has lungs like Swiss cheese and can’t play in the NFL? That’s a hundred million dollar lawsuit.

Can’t have the kids sign a waiver of liability. Optics would be horrible. Have 18-22 year olds sign a waiver when the University makes hundred of millions of dollars off them playing football.

My perspective is not in the least political...it’s risk/reward. If the Big 10 is considering canceling the season and leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table, what they are hearing from doctors, lawyers and their insurance companies must be terrifying.

I'm wondering if schools have a cancellation policy for the season. I think you have a better chance of being reimbursed if you just cancel outright and state that due to the pandemic it was impossible to play and out of your control. As opposed to starting the season, a bunch of kids get sick and then you cancel. Then you have taken on the liability by starting.

My company cancelled our large annual event and have had to prove that it was out of our control to hold the event in order to hopefully be reimbursed.

[noteggs]

Since Nigel brought up Trevor Lawrence, thought I would bring in his thoughts on playing vs not playing. Interesting take and can’t say I necessarily disagree.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/trevor-lawrence-sparks-united-wewanttoplay-movement-players-association-goal-as-2020-season-hangs-in-balance/

[Nigel Tufnel]

No fall football for the Big 10...

[X Factor]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29639609/acc-medical-expert-says-fall-football-season-played-safely


Dr. Cameron Wolfe, a Duke infectious disease specialist, told Sports Business Daily that doctors have learned enough over the past six months to manage the risk.

"We believe we can mitigate it down to a level that makes everyone safe," Wolfe told The Daily. "Can we safely have two teams meet on the field? I would say yes. Will it be tough? Yes. Will it be expensive and hard and lots of work? For sure. But I do believe you can sufficiently mitigate the risk of bringing COVID onto the football field or into the training room at a level that's no different than living as a student on campus."

"You can't tell me that running onto a football field is supposed to be a zero-risk environment," Wolfe continued. "Look at all of the regular sporting injuries that we accept as a certain level of risk as part and parcel of football. Now the reality is that we have to accept a little bit of COVID risk to be a part of that."

[94GRAD]

This guy is on to something

https://twitter.com/MackMariani/status/1293264913411051525

[Xville]

This guy is on to something

https://twitter.com/MackMariani/status/1293264913411051525

Saw under this a tweet from shannon russell that she accepted a position with the courier-journal to cover ul basketball.....gross

[xudash]

This guy is on to something

https://twitter.com/MackMariani/status/1293264913411051525

Corchoran Field comes back to life and with a band that does Script Xavier!

[paulxu]

Saw under this a tweet from shannon russell that she accepted a position with the courier-journal to cover ul basketball.....gross

I'm happy she landed a job. Not sure about her covering Cards, but glad she's back working.


Corchoran Field comes back to life and with a band that does Script Xavier!

We've even got an "i" to dot.

[94GRAD]

Corchoran Field comes back to life and with a band that does Script Xavier!

I'm stealing this for Twitter!

[xudash]

I'm stealing this for Twitter!

Because it's you - - no problem!

[paulxu]

No football Pac 12

[xubrew]

No football Pac 12

And apparently no Pac 12 basketball until January. Which is unfortunate because I think Bill Walton is someone that can help keep us all safe against the virus.

[Xville]

And apparently no Pac 12 basketball until January. Which is unfortunate because I think Bill Walton is someone that can help keep us all safe against the virus.

Virus will disappear in november,at least by the media, if Biden wins...so we have that going for us...which is nice. I guess if trump wins, it will be here for another 4 years.

[Xville]

And apparently no Pac 12 basketball until January. Which is unfortunate because I think Bill Walton is someone that can help keep us all safe against the virus.

I mean who cares about the pac 12 anyways...apparently they are just the big 10s bitch

[Xavier]

This guy is on to something

https://twitter.com/MackMariani/status/1293264913411051525

Not taking into account the money- would anyone even want Xavier to start a football program?

[muskiefan82]

Not taking into account the money- would anyone even want Xavier to start a football program?

For one year, with Ohio State's team...….ABSOLUTELY!! How much fun would that be?!?!

[xubrew]

Not taking into account the money- would anyone even want Xavier to start a football program?

Absolutely. I never understood the pushback against it. I mean, I actually get the feeling that if Xavier were to start a football team people would be rooting against them so they could point out what a huge waist it was after every loss. Even playing in the PFL without scholarships would be cool. I haven't met a single person who went to a school with football, even low level D3 or PFL football, who ever said they wished it wasn't there. At most they didn't care.

College football, even on a small scale, has a festival feel to it. It's not my favorite sport, but I like it well enough, and as an event it's a ton of fun. Going to Thomas More games was fun (granted, I had a friend who played for them, but even still it was fun). It was a fun group to tailgate and go to games with even if it was just D3. Having something like that certainly doesn't suck.

...and I'm starting to become sad about how there there will be no college football this year.

[JTG]

Virus will disappear in november,at least by the media, if Biden wins...so we have that going for us...which is nice. I guess if trump wins, it will be here for another 4 years.

I'm guessing that was sarcasm, but there is a lot of truth to what you posted. You'll never convince me that there would be this media hand wringing and gloom and doom if Obama was Pres.

[sirthought]

Big East makes it official on the postponement of fall sports. Not effecting basketball…yet.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/08/12/big-east-conference-postpones-fall-sports-competitions-2020/3335782001/

[Blue Blooded-05]

At some point, the benchmark of success against Covid unofficially switched from “flatten the curve” to “zero infections”

Assigning blame isn’t the point of this post, so blame it on whoever you want.

If “zero infections” continues as the unofficial benchmark, a return to normalcy will need to wait for 70% of the US population to achieve herd immunity from a combination of recoveries + vaccinations. This is where the numbers get depressing...

Herd immunity in the US would require ~231 million vaccinations/recoveries. We have 5 million confirmed cases in the US (~2%). If we also had a proven vaccine right now and started giving it to citizens, we would need to average around 7 vaccines per second (continuously) to reach herd immunity by this time next year.

Yes, I know there are far more asymptomatic recoveries than we know, but if people have to take an antibody test before getting a vaccine, it will only slow the process down.

Considering we don’t even have a vaccine, let alone have manufactured and shipped it... if “zero infections” continues to be the benchmark, it could take years before we’re back in Cintas.

[muskiefan82]

Also, there is no guarantee that those who have had COVID-19 would actually still register as having antibodies in many cases.

[UCGRAD4X]

We should start a peaceful protest against the virus. Who's with me?

[xubrew]

we should start a peaceful protest against the virus. Who's with me?

i'm in!!

[paulxu]

We should start a peaceful protest against the virus. Who's with me?

Was in a store today. 70% of the people had no masks.
I assume they were peacefully protesting something.

It's is South Carolina, however. Freedom !!

[Xavier]

Was in a store today. 70% of the people had no masks.
I assume they were peacefully protesting something.

It's is South Carolina, however. Freedom !!

I just don't understand that. Wasn't South Carolina a hot spot? Wearing a mask is more respect for those around you. When I see someone not wearing a mask in a store I think they are a complete moron.

[Muskie in dayton]

What’s the greater health risk to college football players, COVID or concussion?

[paulxu]

We do have a lot of places where people are (in theory) required to wear masks by the store (Lowes, WalMart, Publix, etc.)

Some smaller stores have signs saying must wear masks, but if they are away from the central city, people just go in and nobody (store people) ask them to cover up.

I agree it is disrespecting other people. You wear it to protect them more than protecting yourself.

[xavierj]

We do have a lot of places where people are (in theory) required to wear masks by the store (Lowes, WalMart, Publix, etc.)

Some smaller stores have signs saying must wear masks, but if they are away from the central city, people just go in and nobody (store people) ask them to cover up.

I agree it is disrespecting other people. You wear it to protect them more than protecting yourself.

But what if you have already had it and have now tested negative or have a condition that could be affected by wearing masks? Most people I see are wearing masks everywhere where I live, but I am also sensitive to people who do not wear them because of say severe asthma or lung disease. We don’t know the long term effects of Covid and we also don’t know the long term effects of constantly wearing masks for some people. Time will tell I guess.

[Muskie]

But what if you have already had it and have now tested negative or have a condition that could be affected by wearing masks? Most people I see are wearing masks everywhere where I live, but I am also sensitive to people who do not wear them because of say severe asthma or lung disease. We don’t know the long term effects of Covid and we also don’t know the long term effects of constantly wearing masks for some people. Time will tell I guess.

Are there long term effects to wearing masks in public?

[GoMuskies]

Are there long term effects to wearing masks in public?

Weird tan lines

[xavierj]

Are there long term effects to wearing masks in public?

I don’t know.

[Muskie in dayton]

Are there long term effects to wearing masks in public?
https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/news/mask-mouth-is-a-seriously-stinky-side-effect-of-wearing-masks-1003954142/

[xu82]

Are there long term effects to wearing masks in public?

People keep telling me I look better with the mask. I may need therapy.

:-)

[X-band '01]

What’s the greater health risk to college football players, COVID or concussion?

College parties in a runaway.

[xubrew]

No fall sports sucks. For the most part I wasn't expecting to have them, but it still sucks. The fact that I actually got my hopes up for a while makes it suck even worse.

Football is great, but so are the other sports. It's probably my favorite overall season. It sucks not having it. Fuck Covid.

[xubrew]

Just a few things on the Big Ten...

A conference commissioner at the college level isn't really a commissioner in the usual sense. They don't really have that much power and cannot make any arbitrary decisions. A university president has more power than a commissioner does. They are sort of like a point person for the athletic directors and administer/facilitate the day to day with them. Beyond that, they can really only do what the presidents allow them to do. Kevin Warren cannot cancel a season for the Big Ten, nor can he start one back up. He may have wanted to play for all we know, but it really isn't his call. I don't know what his politics are, but whatever they are they have nothing to do with why the Big Ten decided not to play. The presidents didn't want to. That's why they're not playing. In order for that to change, the same people who voted 11-3 not to play would essentially have to vote 10-4 in order to play. I suppose it's not impossible, but it's not very likely. Donald Trump's called Kevin Warren about getting the Big Ten started back up. He might as well have called one of us. We have about the same amount of influence. Kevin Warren can't even alter the official logo without the 14 schools approving it.

The Big Ten coaches and ADs are talking about starting around Thanksgiving. The problem is that those aren't the people who will ultimately make that decision. I'm not saying they won't play at Thanksgiving, or that they won't play in the Spring. What I am saying is that 10 out of the 14 presidents will have to agree on whatever it is they end up doing in order for it to happen. That's an important step to all this that seemingly everyone reporting on the Big Ten is overlooking. I'm not saying they won't approve it. But to say that the coaches are working on a schedule and whatever they work out is what's going to happen is a GROSS misunderstanding of how this is going to work.

[xubrew]

In other news, the men's and women's basketball oversight committees (I'm really not sure exactly what it is they oversee, but that's another rant) have recommended a start date of November 25th to the div1 basketball season.

Now, what this sounds like to me is a committee that felt like it needed to recommend something just for the sake of recommending something, so they just decided to recommend that.

Part of me (perhaps the irrational part) still hopes the season can start on time and go off as scheduled. I do think there will be a college basketball season. It will most likely be altered, but I do think it can happen. If we are able to start on November 25th and get all the scheduled games in, then that's great! I won't give all that much credit to the oversight committees, though.

[GoMuskies]

November 25 is about when the season used to start just a few years ago anyway. Sounds like a good start date to me (for every season).

[STL_XUfan]

In other news, the men's and women's basketball oversight committees (I'm really not sure exactly what it is they oversee, but that's another rant) have recommended a start date of November 25th to the div1 basketball season.

Now, what this sounds like to me is a committee that felt like it needed to recommend something just for the sake of recommending something, so they just decided to recommend that.

Part of me (perhaps the irrational part) still hopes the season can start on time and go off as scheduled. I do think there will be a college basketball season. It will most likely be altered, but I do think it can happen. If we are able to start on November 25th and get all the scheduled games in, then that's great! I won't give all that much credit to the oversight committees, though.

That date isn't as random as it first appears. It is the Wednesday prior to Thanksgiving. A number of schools, including X, have moved up their academic calendar to have the semester end on this date and have the Students remain at home between Thanksgiving and the start of the Spring semester. I believe the hope is that with empty campuses the players will essentially find themselves in a bubble for a month and a half with no academic calendar to worry about in scheduling the games.

[xubrew]

November 25 is about when the season used to start just a few years ago anyway. Sounds like a good start date to me (for every season).

Me too.

Start on this date, play the exempt tournaments over the Christmas break after classes are over, and push the tournament back a week or two.

[GoMuskies]

By the way, the Maui Invitational is still planning to go ahead (for now anyway). That's November 23-25.

[xubrew]

By the way, the Maui Invitational is still planning to go ahead (for now anyway). That's November 23-25.

I think all the tournaments are still set to go on as scheduled for now. The start of the season has not officially been moved yet.

[GoMuskies]

Most of those tournaments don't start until the 25th or later, though. If the season otherwise starts on the 25th, I suspect Maui gets a exception to start two days earlier.

[xubrew]

Most of those tournaments don't start until the 25th or later, though. If the season otherwise starts on the 25th, I suspect Maui gets a exception to start two days earlier.

Yeah, I would think.

[X-man]

As a season ticketholder, I received an e-mail from Xavier Athletics this morning. The gist of the e-mail is that ticketholders may opt out of the season this year, but must make their decision by September 18. If you don't opt out, then what the season will look like is still uncertain obviously, but the e-mail states that masks must be worn at all times (unless eating or drinking) and that attendance and seating restrictions will be in place in accordance to whatever guidelines are in place. If you do opt out, you will receive information after the deadline as to your options with respect to the money that you have paid for this season. This latter statement seems strange given the fact that Xavier Athletics is already on record as stating that credit or refund options for both the ticket and seat license monies will be available. And while I recognize that Xavier needs to have some idea about the opt-out rate for planning purposes, I wish that we had more time to make this decision. The way things are changing on the covid risk front, what's true now may very well be totally different than what is true when the season begins (whenever that is).

[drudy23]

At this point, what’s the difference between November 25th and November 11th?

Just start the damn season on time.

[GoMuskies]

14 days

[STL_XUfan]

At this point, what’s the difference between November 25th and November 11th?

Just start the damn season on time.

Students on campus.

[American X]

what’s the difference between November 25th and November 11th?

Being a jive turkey close to Thanksgiving or being a jive turkey not as close to Thanksgiving.

[paulxu]

1 - What tournament are we suppose to be in
2 - If I can unmask to drink, perhaps I'll be unmasked the entire game
3 - Do not have the president call me for anything, football or otherwise.

[GoMuskies]

We're supposed to be in the Orlando Invitational if the NBA has cleared out by that point.

[xubrew]

There is now talk of moving the Maui Invitational to Asheville, NC. It's as if they tried to find the one place in the country that couldn't possibly be any less like Maui.

[GoMuskies]

Both have mountains. Well, I guess Maui has mountain.

[paulxu]

There is now talk of moving the Maui Invitational to Asheville, NC. It's as if they tried to find the one place in the country that couldn't possibly be any less like Maui.

I could snag a ticket there I think. Just an hour away.

[X-band '01]

Is it really much different than when Liberty hosted what was then the Puerto Rico Tip-Off in the middle of Lynchburg, VA a few years back?

[xudash]

Eastern Kentucky playing in Huntington, WV against the Thundering Herd. Fans in the stands. And a blowout in progress for Marshall.

So many years since that tragic plane crash. 50 years this year.

[xubrew]

Eastern Kentucky playing in Huntington, WV against the Thundering Herd. Fans in the stands. And a blowout in progress for Marshall.

So many years since that tragic plane crash. 50 years this year.

Wow! XUDash with the real pick-me-up!!

[xudash]

Wow! XUDash with the real pick-me-up!!

Well, the announcers mentioned it. And I was alive and remember when it happened. So, there is that. In memory of the lost; not about being a “downer”.

[paulxu]

And a year later, the Muskies gave the Herd their first victory after the tragedy.

[xu82]

And a year later, the Muskies gave the Herd their first victory after the tragedy.

A very Christian day in time. We aim to heal.

[xudash]

And a year later, the Muskies gave the Herd their first victory after the tragedy.

Yeah. It’s no use watching the movie and hoping for a different result.

Of course, that loss to Marshall was a key part of the movie!

[paulxu]

Was reading an article about 2 kids, for whom college sports will never start.
Sad stories, but Kevin Frey apparently worked extensively with one of them, and now runs development program for kids.

https://theundefeated.com/features/two-hoops-prospects-a-dream-and-tragedy-semaj-miller-fedonta-jb-white/

https://twitter.com/CoachKevinFrey?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[X-band '01]

Yeah. It’s no use watching the movie and hoping for a different result.

Of course, that loss to Marshall was a key part of the movie!

That's what happens when you let them be the Xavier Pirates.

[xubrew]

There is now talk of moving the Maui Invitational to Asheville, NC. It's as if they tried to find the one place in the country that couldn't possibly be any less like Maui.

There is now talk of moving the Battle 4 Atlantis to Sioux Falls, SD. It's as if they tried to find the one place in the country that couldn't possibly be any less like the Bahamas.

[xubrew]

The ACC is proposing that all 357 teams be included in this year's NCAA Tournament.

This wins the award for the most impractical thing you'll see all day.

As of now, no part of the season has been cancelled. Even if the start date is moved back two weeks to Nov 25th, chances are they'll be able to get 99% of the games in that were originally scheduled, so there wouldn't be a need to alter or expand the NCAA Tournament at all.

We also have the ultimate lab experiment going on right now. If we can safely play football in September and October on campus, then I think we can safely play basketball in December on campus.

In short, I think it is not just possible, but probable, that we can play the entire basketball season and not have to alter anything other than the start date. Hell, we may not even need to alter that. If we are playing football in October, then we can play basketball in November, can't we? But, I also realize that Nov 25th is the likely tip date. For now.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://sports.yahoo.com/as-coronavirus-pandemic-has-rattled-the-college-sports-world-the-ncaa-will-furlough-its-entire-staff-212119389.html

NCAA laying off everybody.

[xubrew]

https://sports.yahoo.com/as-coronavirus-pandemic-has-rattled-the-college-sports-world-the-ncaa-will-furlough-its-entire-staff-212119389.html

NCAA laying off everybody.

Furloughing. Not laying off. They'll all be back to work after about a month of vacation where they keep their benefits and are allowed to collect unemployment.

[bobbiemcgee]

"A furlough is a temporary layoff, an involuntary leave, or another modification of normal working hours without pay for a specified duration." In this case, 3 to 8 weeks. Probably more.

[X-band '01]

There is now talk of moving the Battle 4 Atlantis to Sioux Falls, SD. It's as if they tried to find the one place in the country that couldn't possibly be any less like the Bahamas.

You have obviously never experienced the joy that is the Samford Pentagon.

[xubrew]

"A furlough is a temporary layoff, an involuntary leave, or another modification of normal working hours without pay for a specified duration." In this case, 3 to 8 weeks. Probably more.

When you say someone is "laid off" it is taken to mean that they are gone and not coming back. Their position was eliminated. It's kind of like being fired only instead of losing your job for negligence you're losing your job because it no longer exists and no one will be replacing you. That's not what is happening at the NCAA. No one is permanently losing their jobs and they are not eliminating any positions.

[MADXSTER]

I got Laid Off one time and ended up having a kid. Come to think of it, I got Laid Off 4 times and had 4 kids. Just sayin

[xubrew]

I got laid off six months after graduating college. I felt I had reached a point in my career that most don’t reach at such an early age.

[MADXSTER]

Some people pay other people to get Laid Off

[xubrew]

I got Laid Off one time and ended up having a kid. Come to think of it, I got Laid Off 4 times and had 4 kids. Just sayin


Some people pay other people to get Laid Off


I'm a little slow today....

[Lloyd Braun]

Sounds like Big Ten football is back in a few weeks.

[xubrew]

Sounds like Big Ten football is back in a few weeks.

Looks that way!!

[Xville]

I know it wont happen but I'd love to see the other conferenced vote to keep the big 10 and their self righteousness out of the playoff this year.

[xubrew]

I know it wont happen but I'd love to see the other conferenced vote to keep the big 10 and their self righteousness out of the playoff this year.

It...MIGHT happen. The CFP said they had no plans to push anything back. I don't know if they just meant the actual games, or if it also meant the releasing of the rankings and match-ups. I do think they'll try and include the B1G, but I'm not entirely certain of it.

I don't think the Big Ten was wrong to postpone it. They could do a better job with transparency. As an organization, they are probably the least transparent conference or league out of all the pro and college sports. They've always been like that about everything, though. If I'm not mistaken they still don't even release their own preseason media polls outside of who the preseason favorite is.

[xu82]

It...MIGHT happen. The CFP said they had no plans to push anything back. I don't know if they just meant the actual games, or if it also meant the releasing of the rankings and match-ups. I do think they'll try and include the B1G, but I'm not entirely certain of it.

I don't think the Big Ten was wrong to postpone it. They could do a better job with transparency. As an organization, they are probably the least transparent conference or league out of all the pro and college sports. They've always been like that about everything, though. If I'm not mistaken they still don't even release their own preseason media polls outside of who the preseason favorite is.

The most transparent thing they did was an ACCIDENT, and came in the form of the Nebraska President unknowingly standing in front of a hot mic.




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[xubrew]

The Big Ten will not allow fans to any of its games. Only the player and coaches pass list.

If the Ivy League and other FCS conferences play this Spring like they are planning to, it's very possible that all will have a higher average of attendance than the Big Ten!!

[GoMuskies]

Missouri State/Central Arkansas in a few weeks will outdraw Ohio State/Michigan. What a world!

[XU '11]

It...MIGHT happen. The CFP said they had no plans to push anything back. I don't know if they just meant the actual games, or if it also meant the releasing of the rankings and match-ups. I do think they'll try and include the B1G, but I'm not entirely certain of it.

I don't think the Big Ten was wrong to postpone it. They could do a better job with transparency. As an organization, they are probably the least transparent conference or league out of all the pro and college sports. They've always been like that about everything, though. If I'm not mistaken they still don't even release their own preseason media polls outside of who the preseason favorite is.

The Chair of the CFP Selection committee is the Iowa AD. The Big Ten will be in the CFP. The date of the Big Ten Championship is the same as the SEC (although they will play two fewer games).

[paulxu]

The Big Ten will not allow fans to any of its games.

That's this weeks take. Wait a while.

[xubrew]

It was a busy day around the NCAA yesterday. The D1 council voted that men's and women's basketball will start on Nov 25th. They also reduced the season by four games, which I'm really wishing they hadn't done and don't think they needed to do. With so many schools shutting up the shop before thanksgiving, the four games could have easily been made up even with the season starting two weeks later. Everything will look mostly normal, but schools who rely on buy games either for revenue and/or for chances to get decent games on their schedule if they play in weaker conferences are going to have far fewer opportunities.

Proposals for championships for all fall sports (except FCS football, which is still being worked out) were not officially approved, but it looks like they are going to be. All conferences will still receive automatic bids, but each field will be reduced by 1/4th, so there will be fewer at-large bids.

The NCAA also, for the first time ever, approved a proposal that was spearheaded by student-athletes where in an election year (so, every two years) teams are not allowed to compete, practice, or be traveling on Election Day. It will essentially be a Dead Day.

All and all, yesterday was a pretty good day! Maybe the NCAA should furlough people more often! I still don't think they needed to shorten the basketball season. Delaying it was fine, but even with the delay all the teams could have probably played their full schedules.

[paulxu]

How does that work with a schedule you already have made up?
You just go into it and pick 4 games a call those schools and say...."I'm sorry"???

[xubrew]

How does that work with a schedule you already have made up?
You just go into it and pick 4 games a call those schools and say...."I'm sorry"???

Yeah. Like that I guess. And the thing is they probably didn’t need to reduce the number of games at all.

[paulxu]

I would think there would be a LOT of last minute scheduling going on.
If you were a mid-major, or lower, you might have more than 4 games on your schedule where another school calls you with the bad news.

[xubrew]

I would think there would be a LOT of last minute scheduling going on.
If you were a mid-major, or lower, you might have more than 4 games on your schedule where another school calls you with the bad news.

Your thinking is absolutely spot on.

Pushing the season back to Nov 25th actually made some sense. Cutting the number of games teams can play did not. With so many schools having such a long winter break, they could have rescheduled the vast majority of those games between the 11th and 25th without too much trouble. It would have created far less trouble than what has been created by making everyone lop four games off their schedules.