2021 Logan Duncomb commits to IU

[xuphan]

Very disappointed to hear another big Cincinnati recruit not selecting Xavier. We really need to start recruiting better in Cincinnati. Steele is suppose to be this great recruiter but he seems to be struggling of late. Other than Coach Hayes, the other two assistants haven’t done hardy anything on the recruiting trail. We can’t keep living on multiple grad transfers each year. I am giving Steele another year but if this team again disappoints like last year, I will want to move on from Steele. This program is too elite to be this mediocre year after year.

[AviatorX]

Very disappointed to hear another big Cincinnati recruit not selecting Xavier. We really need to start recruiting better in Cincinnati. Steele is suppose to be this great recruiter but he seems to be struggling of late. Other than Coach Hayes, the other two assistants haven’t done hardy anything on the recruiting trail. We can’t keep living on multiple grad transfers each year. I am giving Steele another year but if this team again disappoints like last year, I will want to move on from Steele. This program is too elite to be this mediocre year after year.

Yeah, Steele is really struggling to recruit, let's just ignore the 2019 and 2020 classes and focus on one guy choosing Indiana (the horror, Xavier losing a recruit to tiny little program IU).

Is there a long line of Cincinnati-born impact college players that have gone elsewhere? It's not exactly a high major college hoops hotbed.

[Muskie]

Not to mention IU has way more playing time available than X at this position. I suppose Steele should have cut one or two players...

[JTG]

Not a big surprise. He was playing for an IU centric AAU team. Steele made his bones picking off kids out of Indiana. That pipeline has sort of been turned off. Archie Miller has made it a point to keep the Indiana kids at home. Steele will get it going. The grad transfers have been a necessity the last few years to fill in empty classes. Last years became all BE frosh, and the guys coming in appear to be very good. I think this coming years team will be very cohesive, and I look for a good season.

[drudy23]

The kid is big, but I think it's going to take him 2-3 years to get acclimated to the highest level of college basketball. He kind of reminds me of Frease.

He will probably be a decent player after some development, as he likely has a good work ethic and good basketball IQ coming from Moeller, but I don't think we're missing out on the next big impact big man at Xavier.

[XU 87]

Very disappointed to hear another big Cincinnati recruit not selecting Xavier. We really need to start recruiting better in Cincinnati. Steele is suppose to be this great recruiter but he seems to be struggling of late. Other than Coach Hayes, the other two assistants haven’t done hardy anything on the recruiting trail. We can’t keep living on multiple grad transfers each year. I am giving Steele another year but if this team again disappoints like last year, I will want to move on from Steele. This program is too elite to be this mediocre year after year.

In his first two recruiting classes, Steele has received 8 commitments, seven of which were four star recruits.

One of those recruits, Miles, is from Northern Kentucky. He is the only three star in this group, and it has been written that he has the potential to be the best recruit from X's 2019 recruiting class.

[xavierj]

Very disappointed to hear another big Cincinnati recruit not selecting Xavier. We really need to start recruiting better in Cincinnati. Steele is suppose to be this great recruiter but he seems to be struggling of late. Other than Coach Hayes, the other two assistants haven’t done hardy anything on the recruiting trail. We can’t keep living on multiple grad transfers each year. I am giving Steele another year but if this team again disappoints like last year, I will want to move on from Steele. This program is too elite to be this mediocre year after year.

I believe Ben Johnson was the one who recruited Freemantle, Tandy. and Colby Jones, at least that's what is says on their profiles. And Dante recruited Dionte Miles and CJ Wilcher. But OK.

[xuphan]

Yeah, Steele is really struggling to recruit, let's just ignore the 2019 and 2020 classes and focus on one guy choosing Indiana (the horror, Xavier losing a recruit to tiny little program IU).

Is there a long line of Cincinnati-born impact college players that have gone elsewhere? It's not exactly a high major college hoops hotbed.

Let’s not ignore the 2019, 2020 classes. The 2019 class has Tandy and Freemantle. Besides those two, Ramsey and Miles are both projects. Ramsey may never be fully healthy to contribute meaningful minutes for Xavier and Miles is a big project who may or may not transfer in a couple of years. Xavier missed on Bishop. For 2020, both Odom and Wilcher look like impact guys. Colby Jones will hopefully make an impact but still is a project in my opinion.

I also said I would give Coach Steele another year to turn the ship. I still have faith in him but my patients is running thin with missing the NCAA tournament as much aa we have lately.

[XUGRAD80]

I would have liked to have the kid come to X, but I wouldn’t consider it the end of the world.

“Another big Cincinnati recruit”? Tell me, who were the others he missed on?
Hayes, who went to Texas for one year and then the pros, is one of the few I can think of.
The kid from Princeton went straight into the pros, didn’t he?
Kid from Middletown/Franklin went to Duke, and left early for the pros. How many kids would turn that down?
Kid from Pendleton Co went to Uk....his dream school.
Miles, is from Walton and was All-state in KY. Walton is part of the greater Cincinnati area.

So he’s lost recruiting battles to UK, Duke, Texas, the pros, and now Indiana, since he became a head coach. But, since he has brought in 8 freshman, and had 2 top 25 recruiting classes in a row, he has also gotten quite a large number of recruits that other top schools have not.

There were over 1000 kids in the transfer portal last year, and looks like there will be a similar number this year. Better get used to it, recruiting transfers is going to be a part of the deal from here on out. Not just for X, but for every team.

[xavierj]

Let’s not ignore the 2019, 2020 classes. The 2019 class has Tandy and Freemantle. Besides those two, Ramsey and Miles are both projects. Ramsey may never be fully healthy to contribute meaningful minutes for Xavier and Miles is a big project who may or may not transfer in a couple of years. Xavier missed on Bishop. For 2020, both Odom and Wilcher look like impact guys. Colby Jones will hopefully make an impact but still is a project in my opinion.

I also said I would give Coach Steele another year to turn the ship. I still have faith in him but my patients is running thin with missing the NCAA tournament as much aa we have lately.

Not sure Jones is a project. If he is then many people who have watched him are way off. I hear he is the most likely of the incoming guys to start and contribute. Has a very refined game and high basketball IQ. Reminds me of Josh Hart who played at Nova when I see his tapes.

[AviatorX]

Let’s not ignore the 2019, 2020 classes. The 2019 class has Tandy and Freemantle. Besides those two, Ramsey and Miles are both projects. Ramsey may never be fully healthy to contribute meaningful minutes for Xavier and Miles is a big project who may or may not transfer in a couple of years. Xavier missed on Bishop. For 2020, both Odom and Wilcher look like impact guys. Colby Jones will hopefully make an impact but still is a project in my opinion.

I also said I would give Coach Steele another year to turn the ship. I still have faith in him but my patients is running thin with missing the NCAA tournament as much aa we have lately.

Feel free to list past Xavier classes with two freshman as impressive as Tandy and Freemantle. I can wait. Miles and Ramsey are redshirts - there's no way we can judge them either way at this point.

There's plenty of reasons to knock Steele. Recruiting isn't one of them. Also, this past season was disappointing for sure, but it's kind of weird people are just assuming Xavier would have missed the tournament. They would have been right there in the discussion, and not to mention the team's second best player didn't play the last three games, which would have made a huge difference.

[Lamont Sanford]

Losing Duncomb to IU stings because he would fill a need in the paint, but time to move on. They just offered a 7 footer from Hargrave who looks very skilled on video.

The bigger local Cincy fish is PG/SG Paul McMillan from Woodward. We've been on him the longest and he is higher ranked than Duncomb too. I believe Steele is his lead recruiter. Can't miss on that one.

[Juice]

Losing Duncomb to IU stings because he would fill a need in the paint, but time to move on. They just offered a 7 footer from Hargrave who looks very skilled on video.

The bigger local Cincy fish is PG/SG Paul McMillan from Woodward. We've been on him the longest and he is higher ranked than Duncomb too. I believe Steele is his lead recruiter. Can't miss on that one.

It depends on McMillan. If he goes to Louisville or Ohio State because he wants to go to a "big time" school then it's excusable. If he goes to UC or somewhere similar to Xavier, then I think it's a miss.

[X-man]

Steele's two transfers for 20-21 are ranked in ESPN's top-50 transfers. Link: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28167956/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2020-21-2021-22

[xuphan]

Feel free to list past Xavier classes with two freshman as impressive as Tandy and Freemantle. I can wait. Miles and Ramsey are redshirts - there's no way we can judge them either way at this point.

There's plenty of reasons to knock Steele. Recruiting isn't one of them. Also, this past season was disappointing for sure, but it's kind of weird people are just assuming Xavier would have missed the tournament. They would have been right there in the discussion, and not to mention the team's second best player didn't play the last three games, which would have made a huge difference.

The Xavier team that got knocked out of the Big East tournament by Depaul was going to make the NCAA tournament? Highly unlikely. I also don’t get the whole Miles is going to be a superstar. He was hardly recruited by anyone coming out of high school and wasn’t ranked very high. I hope he turns into something great but he is a big time project in my book.

[xuphan]

Steele's two transfers for 20-21 are ranked in ESPN's top-50 transfers. Link: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28167956/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2020-21-2021-22

Not bad. We got the 31st and 48th best grad transfers. Very exciting!

[Mrs. Garrett]

Very disappointed to hear another big Cincinnati recruit not selecting Xavier. We really need to start recruiting better in Cincinnati. Steele is suppose to be this great recruiter but he seems to be struggling of late. Other than Coach Hayes, the other two assistants haven’t done hardy anything on the recruiting trail. We can’t keep living on multiple grad transfers each year. I am giving Steele another year but if this team again disappoints like last year, I will want to move on from Steele. This program is too elite to be this mediocre year after year.

I honestly thought this was a troll post initially. At the very least it is someone who has not been paying attention.

[XU 87]

The Xavier team that got knocked out of the Big East tournament by Depaul was going to make the NCAA tournament? Highly unlikely. I also don’t get the whole Miles is going to be a superstar. He was hardly recruited by anyone coming out of high school and wasn’t ranked very high. I hope he turns into something great but he is a big time project in my book.

Who said Miles is going to be a superstar? I for one said he has the "potential" to be very, very good. And he was ranked 193 by 247 coming out of high school (3 stars). So he wasn't some local low level recruit that X just threw an extra scholarship at.

You original argument was that 1) Steele isn't recruiting well and 2) he's not getting any local recruits. You're objectively wrong on both counts.

[Mrs. Garrett]

The Xavier team that got knocked out of the Big East tournament by Depaul was going to make the NCAA tournament? Highly unlikely. I also don’t get the whole Miles is going to be a superstar. He was hardly recruited by anyone coming out of high school and wasn’t ranked very high. I hope he turns into something great but he is a big time project in my book.

Guess you missed the positive feedback from last summer's trip to Europe.

[xuphan]

Guess you missed the positive feedback from last summer's trip to Europe.

I must have. If he was doing so great on the Europe trip, why was he redshirted? We definitely could have used him this year then.

[xavierj]

Not bad. We got the 31st and 48th best grad transfers. Very exciting!

That’s by design. Should be encouraging that your coaches are not looking for starters to save the program. They wanted depth help with the transfers and they feel comfortable with what they have coming back and coming in, with the freshman class, to fill the 5 starting spots. Most of the higher rated transfers wanted starter minutes and other than maybe Turner, Xavier isn’t offering it. The last thing you want to do, if you have guys in your program and coming into your program, that you believe in, is to cut their opportunities and piss them off. Travis wants to have his team, guys he brought in. Travis is very organized and comfortable with who he is bringing into the program to play for him. It’s part of his plan. If you want to jump ship before he puts his team on the floor, knock yourself out. He knows a heck of a lot more of what he is doing than any of us. Maybe you should go root for a program like Louisville, who was desperate to find two starters through the grad transfer route because they are not comfortable with the players they have brought in last year and what they have coming in.

[AviatorX]

The Xavier team that got knocked out of the Big East tournament by Depaul was going to make the NCAA tournament? Highly unlikely. I also don’t get the whole Miles is going to be a superstar. He was hardly recruited by anyone coming out of high school and wasn’t ranked very high. I hope he turns into something great but he is a big time project in my book.

"There's no way we can judge Miles and Ramsey either way at this point." That's what I said. Not sure how you got Miles is going to be a superstar from that. The 2019 class has already produced two guys who are virtual locks to be 3 year starters providing significant contributions. How can you be down on that class? How often does that happen for any school? If Steele recruits two guys as promising as Tandy and Freemantle every year, Xavier is going to be scary good (I think this is unlikely).

Xavier's 2019 class was ranked 27th in the country (right behind Michigan State) and the 2020 class to this point is ranked 18th (right behind Kansas). Where do you think Xavier should realistically be in recruiting rankings? This isn't Duke or Kentucky, or even Nova.

[xuphan]

That’s by design. Should be encouraging that your coaches are not looking for starters to save the program. They wanted depth help with the transfers and they feel comfortable with what they have coming back and coming in, with the freshman class, to fill the 5 starting spots. Most of the higher rated transfers wanted starter minutes and other than maybe Turner, Xavier isn’t offering it. The last thing you want to do, if you have guys in your program and coming into your program, that you believe in, is to cut their opportunities and piss them off. Travis wants to have his team, guys he brought in. Travis is very organized and comfortable with who he is bringing into the program to play for him. It’s part of his plan. If you want to jump ship before he puts his team on the floor, knock yourself out. He knows a heck of a lot more of what he is doing than any of us. Maybe you should go root for a program like Louisville, who was desperate to find two starters through the grad transfer route because they are not comfortable with the players they have brought in last year and what they have coming in.

The attacks on me are not necessary. I am not happy with the state of the program and I voiced my opinion. A four star kid who lives just down the road from campus selected an out of state program non blue blood program. Sorry, that stings as Xavier should not be missing out on city kids. We are not UC. Gotta keep the local kids home. Xavier has not been very stable the past few years. A lot of players leaving and a lot of grad transfers coming in. Not healthy to have that much turnover year after year. Like I said, I will give him another season but for me it is NCAA tournament or bust. He has been here long enough to put his stamp on the program.

[XU 87]

The attacks on me are not necessary. I am not happy with the state of the program and I voiced my opinion. A four star kid who lives just down the road from campus selected an out of state program non blue blood program. Sorry, that stings as Xavier should not be missing out on city kids. We are not UC. Gotta keep the local kids home.

Are you really arguing that X should get every local kid it recruits unless the recruit goes to UK, Duke, or Kansas?

[AviatorX]

The attacks on me are not necessary. I am not happy with the state of the program and I voiced my opinion. A four star kid who lives just down the road from campus selected an out of state program non blue blood program. Sorry, that stings as Xavier should not be missing out on city kids. We are not UC. Gotta keep the local kids home. Xavier has not been very stable the past few years. A lot of players leaving and a lot of grad transfers coming in. Not healthy to have that much turnover year after year. Like I said, I will give him another season but for me it is NCAA tournament or bust. He has been here long enough to put his stamp on the program.

When has keeping Cincinnati kids home EVER been a major ingredient of the success of Xavier basketball? Cincinnati is not a great high school basketball talent pool (from a high major recruiting standpoint).

Not sure if you are familiar with Indiana University basketball, but it's a pretty big program that recruits at a higher level than Xavier. Bob Knight, 5 National Championships, multiple recent first round picks, 17,000 seat arena, whole big thing. IU has signed more McDonald's All Americans in each of their past two classes (both following seasons without NCAA Tournament appearances) than Xavier has in program history. It's not like Duncomb is going to Arizona State or something.

[XU 87]

IU has signed more McDonald's All Americans in each of their past two classes (both following seasons without NCAA Tournament appearances) than Xavier has in program history.

All IU would need to do is sign one McD's All American to have more than X, or two if we count Drew Lavender as "signing" with X.

[xavierj]

The attacks on me are not necessary. I am not happy with the state of the program and I voiced my opinion. A four star kid who lives just down the road from campus selected an out of state program non blue blood program. Sorry, that stings as Xavier should not be missing out on city kids. We are not UC. Gotta keep the local kids home. Xavier has not been very stable the past few years. A lot of players leaving and a lot of grad transfers coming in. Not healthy to have that much turnover year after year. Like I said, I will give him another season but for me it is NCAA tournament or bust. He has been here long enough to put his stamp on the program.

I don’t think I attacked you. Just was pointing out that Xavier isn’t desperate for finding starters through the transfer market like other programs. They lost two players who were not going to play for Travis, guys were recruited by Mack, after his last class totally fell apart. I think Bishop could have helped eventually and I think the coaches wanted him to stay, but he wasn’t ready yet and by all accounts, wanted to get back home. I don’t blame him for that.

As for the kid from Moeller, he sees a better chance to play right away at Indiana than he saw at Xavier. When he gets to Indiana, he will be the only 5 man on the roster. Xavier will have two guys in that same spot. I also think Travis had a five year plan to get Xavier to the next level, not a two year plan, so you may be disappointed. Things had to change from where they were prior to Chris leaving and I think they are in motion. I know it’s weird to say that after having a number one seed, but in my opinion, if you dig deeper, you can see this program could be better and more consistent. Sometimes you have to tear it down and start over. Which I think we saw that over the last two years. Now time to take it to the next level.

[AviatorX]

All IU would need to do is sign one McD's All American to have more than X, or two if we count Drew Lavender as "signing" with X.

Exactly. I was going for the they signed one in each class angle. Just seems like expectations around here can be insane sometimes...

[xuphan]

When has keeping Cincinnati kids home EVER been a major ingredient of the success of Xavier basketball? Cincinnati is not a great high school basketball talent pool (from a high major recruiting standpoint).

Not sure if you are familiar with Indiana University basketball, but it's a pretty big program that recruits at a higher level than Xavier. Bob Knight, 5 National Championships, multiple recent first round picks, 17,000 seat arena, whole big thing. IU has signed more McDonald's All Americans in each of their past two classes (both following seasons without NCAA Tournament appearances) than Xavier has in program history.

So with that logic, you are saying UCLA is a big time program under Mick Cronin? Seriously? Cincinnati should be a big time program too with all the success Bob Huggins had. Luckily that logic doesn’t hold true. Indiana hasn’t been the same since Bob Knight left. A couple decent years but nothing big. People on here were begging to go to the Big East because it would help us with recruiting and grow the Xavier brand. Sadly, it seems like some have the same A-10 ambitions from over a decade ago. Xavier with the right coaching staff should be able to recruit with the best of them. Maybe I view Xavier differently but I think this program is elite and should consider itself elite.

[XU 87]

While I appreciate your fandom, X needs to win a national championship or two, or at least get to a final four, before the program is considered elite by the rest of the country.

[AviatorX]

So with that logic, you are saying UCLA is a big time program under Mick Cronin? Seriously? Cincinnati should be a big time program too with all the success Bob Huggins had. Luckily that logic doesn’t hold true. Indiana hasn’t been the same since Bob Knight left. A couple decent years but nothing big. People on here were begging to go to the Big East because it would help us with recruiting and grow the Xavier brand. Sadly, it seems like some have the same A-10 ambitions from over a decade ago. Xavier with the right coaching staff should be able to recruit with the best of them. Maybe I view Xavier differently but I think this program is elite and should consider itself elite.

Look at the players that have played for IU in the Tom Crean/Archie Miller era. They still recruit better players than Xavier, on court success (or lack thereof) notwithstanding. That's just a fact. There's a lot of reasons a high level recruit might want to go to IU over Xavier, not to mention the vastly different college experience you're signing up for.

And yes, UCLA recruits at a higher level than Xavier, or at least should, no matter who the coach is. Mick has a top 15 guy coming in this year. Not sure this is a worthwhile comparison however, because it's pretty rare for Xavier and UCLA to be recruiting from the same pool.

As to the end of your post, Travis is recruiting at the highest level Xavier ever has - why do you keep ignoring that? Nothing about Travis' recruiting so far says "A-10 ambitions." Nor am I exhibiting "A-10 ambitions" by saying "hey, it's pretty likely traditional powers like Indiana are going to reel in recruits over Xavier from time to time, no matter how much progress the program has made."

[xavierj]

So with that logic, you are saying UCLA is a big time program under Mick Cronin? Seriously? Cincinnati should be a big time program too with all the success Bob Huggins had. Luckily that logic doesn’t hold true. Indiana hasn’t been the same since Bob Knight left. A couple decent years but nothing big. People on here were begging to go to the Big East because it would help us with recruiting and grow the Xavier brand. Sadly, it seems like some have the same A-10 ambitions from over a decade ago. Xavier with the right coaching staff should be able to recruit with the best of them. Maybe I view Xavier differently but I think this program is elite and should consider itself elite.

Xavier recruiting has been better over the last two years under the current staff and trending to get better. So I guess you have what you want. I agree the last 10 years the program was not as good as it could be. I think it will be in the next 3 to 5 years. And Xavier is recruiting with the best programs not named Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and maybe a couple of others. They have had a top 25 recruiting class in 2019, top 20 in 2020 and probably another top 20 class in 21. That has never happened at Xavier where you have three highly rated classes in a row. Xavier will probably never get the top 20 guys until they get the program to the next level.

[xavierj]

The best recruiting class in the A10 for 2020 is rated 54th in the country, not one 4 star player for that team. The year before that, the #1 A10 team for recruiting was UMASS at 48. Xavier is not recruiting at an A10 level by any means.

[XUGRAD80]

I know UC football/basketball fans that can’t understand any kid for Cincinnati ever going away for college. They all were born and raised here, have never lived anywhere else, and never will. Most of them are UC grads too. They can’t understand why anyone goes to X either.

Perhaps the kid just wanted to go away for school and wanted to go to a larger university? Wanted to try something different? Wanted to go to a non-catholic school for a change? Wanted to try living in a smaller community? There are tons of reasons why kids choose the schools they do. It doesn’t always come down to something a coach can control either. Him going to Indiana does not automatically point to some kind of failure on the part of Xavier or its basketball program.

[MADXSTER]

I’ve got UC football/basketball fans that can’t understand any kid for Cincinnati ever going away for college. They all were born and raised here, have never lived anywhere else, and never will.

Perhaps the kid just wanted to go away for school and wanted to go to a larger university? Wanted to try something different? Wanted to go to a non-catholic school for a change? Wanted to try living in a smaller community? There are tons of reasons why kids choose the schools they do. It doesn’t always come down to something a coach can control either. Him going to Indiana does not automatically point to some kind of failure on the part of Xavier or its basketball program.

This ^

Some kids just want to go away to college. It's not that difficult.

[MHettel]

Feel free to list past Xavier classes with two freshman as impressive as Tandy and Freemantle. I can wait. Miles and Ramsey are redshirts - there's no way we can judge them either way at this point.



I don't have an opinion about the kid in question, but we've had a few good recreating classes that can match Tandy & Free. I'm 95% sure I got these accurate....

2018- Scruggs, Marshall

2015- Trevon, JP, Sumner, O'Mara

2009- Tu, Lyons, Freese, Redford

2006- Raymond, Brown, JOHNNY WOLF

2005- Burrell, Duncan

2004- Doellman, Cage

1999- West, Chalmers

1996- Posey, Brown, Williams, Lumpkin

The Big gap here is between 2009-2015. We had a couple few players (Dee Davis, Farr, Reynolds) come through as standard "recruits", but we also relied heavily on Transfers: Crawford, McLean, Walker, Taylor, Philmore, StainTrain, Abel, Gaston

I don't think we are different here from other schools. The 4 man classes that hit (Tu's class, and Trevon's class) were enough to carry us for a few years. If we hit on 2 of three next year, and Miles or Ramsey hit, we will be in good shape.

[IM4X]

In his first two recruiting classes, Steele has received 8 commitments, seven of which were four star recruits.

One of those recruits, Miles, is from Northern Kentucky. He is the only three star in this group, and it has been written that he has the potential to be the best recruit from X's 2019 recruiting class.

We need him to be every bit as good as advertised (by Steele). If he is that good next year, we could be a BE contender. If he is still a work in progress, we may be in the middle of the pack once again. That is how important I think he is to this team.

Freemantle will prove to be a solid post player again next year, but we really need a very athletic big who can get above the rim- who can score and block and rebound - and play solid defense. I’m looking forward to seeing him live up to expectations.

[XUGRAD80]

I’d like to remind people that Miles has yet to play even 1 minute of actual college game time. He is very athletic. He will be able to jump, rebound, and block shots. But it’s still going to take Jim time to adjust to game speed and to get his timing down. Don’t expect to much to soon. Give him time to develop, don’t expect a superstar right away (if ever), and don’t be disappointed when he isn’t one.

[xavierj]

I don't have an opinion about the kid in question, but we've had a few good recreating classes that can match Tandy & Free. I'm 95% sure I got these accurate....

2018- Scruggs, Marshall

2015- Trevon, JP, Sumner, O'Mara

2009- Tu, Lyons, Freese, Redford

2006- Raymond, Brown, JOHNNY WOLF

2005- Burrell, Duncan

2004- Doellman, Cage

1999- West, Chalmers

1996- Posey, Brown, Williams, Lumpkin

The Big gap here is between 2009-2015. We had a couple few players (Dee Davis, Farr, Reynolds) come through as standard "recruits", but we also relied heavily on Transfers: Crawford, McLean, Walker, Taylor, Philmore, StainTrain, Abel, Gaston

I don't think we are different here from other schools. The 4 man classes that hit (Tu's class, and Trevon's class) were enough to carry us for a few years. If we hit on 2 of three next year, and Miles or Ramsey hit, we will be in good shape.

Since 2000 based on points and rebounds as a freshman. Looks like 2004, 2005 and 2006 was the most solid with three consecutive pretty solid freshman classes. Then it was like every three years. That class with JP, Sumner, Trevon and Sean was really solid. If this class coming in is as good as it looks like on paper, we could be on for some really good teams moving forward.

Zach and KyKy - 14.2 ppg and 5.6 reds

2018- Scruggs, Marshall - 12.6 ppg and 4.4 rbds

2015- Trevon, JP, Sumner, O'Mara - 17.9 and 6.1 - (Sumner RS)

2009- Tu, Lyons, Freese, Redford - 16 and 6.3

2006- Raymond, Brown, JOHNNY WOLF - 12.4 and 7.1

2005- Burrell, Duncan - 18.9 and 5.5

2004- Doellman, Cage - 11.9 and 7

[xu 89]

The kid is big, but I think it's going to take him 2-3 years to get acclimated to the highest level of college basketball. He kind of reminds me of Frease.

He will probably be a decent player after some development, as he likely has a good work ethic and good basketball IQ coming from Moeller, but I don't think we're missing out on the next big impact big man at Xavier.

He has a lot of potential. A true back to the basket kid with decent feet. Needs to get tougher and bring a bit of an attitude. He is very disciplined and is a typical smart bb player coming out of Moeller (thanks to coach Kremer). I would have loved to have him but wish him well at IU and will root for him.

[UCGRAD4X]

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We need him to be every bit as good as advertised (by Steele). If he is that good next year, we could be a BE contender. If he is still a work in progress, we may be in the middle of the pack once again. That is how important I think he is to this team.

Freemantle will prove to be a solid post player again next year, but we really need a very athletic big who can get above the rim- who can score and block and rebound - and play solid defense. I’m looking forward to seeing him live up to expectations.

Let me see if I have this right. You're saying we need players who can play offense AND defense. THAT'S CRAZY TALK DUDE!

[IM4X]

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Let me see if I have this right. You're saying we need players who can play offense AND defense. THAT'S CRAZY TALK DUDE!

Ha. Crazy right... but true.

My point is that I see real problems inside if Miles doesn’t end up being at least close to as good as advertised. People will be driving all day on us.

No worries though. He’s got this. Like Hankins, I see Mile being disruptive in the paint on defense and I see him becoming an easy target on offense with his height and jumping ability. Just throw it up high and let him do his thing.

[xuphan]

Ha. Crazy right... but true.

My point is that I see real problems inside if Miles doesn’t end up being at least close to as good as advertised. People will be driving all day on us.

No worries though. He’s got this. Like Hankins, I see Mile being disruptive in the paint on defense and I see him becoming an easy target on offense with his height and jumping ability. Just throw it up high and let him do his thing.

This ain’t division 7 high school basketball here. I hope he has more to his offensive game than just dunking the ball.

[XUGRAD80]

This ain’t division 7 high school basketball here. I hope he has more to his offensive game than just dunking the ball.

Only saw him play one time in HS, but he did show some post moves in that game, and was shooting 3 pointers pretty well in warmups. With a year to work with coaches and to practice with the team, I would hope that one of the many things he worked on was low post moves. But only time will tell.

[xuphan]

Only saw him play one time in HS, but he did show some post moves in that game, and was shooting 3 pointers pretty well in warmups. With a year to work with coaches and to practice with the team, I would hope that one of the many things he worked on was low post moves. But only time will tell.

I just hope his offensive game isn’t like Tyrique Jones. No offense to Tyrique, but he never developed an offensive game outside of 2 feet during his career at Xavier.

[XUGRAD80]

I just hope his offensive game isn’t like Tyrique Jones. No offense to Tyrique, but he never developed an offensive game outside of 2 feet during his career at Xavier.

Miles runs like a deer. His game is finesse and speed, very athletic. Jones was all about power. Very different players IMO.

[IM4X]

This ain’t division 7 high school basketball here. I hope he has more to his offensive game than just dunking the ball.

Hey, if he comes out his first year playing like an unstoppable beast inside who happens to be an easier target to get the ball to than Jones (because of his height) I will take that situation in a heartbeat.

With Freemantle and Carter sure to take plenty of threes next year, I see Miles being much more valuable to the team as a reliable rebounder and scorer in the paint.

[throwbackmuskie]

I just hope his offensive game isn’t like Tyrique Jones. No offense to Tyrique, but he never developed an offensive game outside of 2 feet during his career at Xavier.

I agree, I don't want another double-double beast under the rim....I know uc basketball is boring but still would think you would have better things to do than troll over here.

[xavierj]

This ain’t division 7 high school basketball here. I hope he has more to his offensive game than just dunking the ball.

KY doesn't have divisions in basketball. If anything he likes to shoot outside more than I like, he can shoot it, but his opportunities before college were to get stronger and work on post moves.

[X-man]

Could you all stop quoting the troll? I have him on "Ignore" precisely so that I do not have to read his garbage.

[MHettel]

Hey, if he comes out his first year playing like an unstoppable beast inside who happens to be an easier target to get the ball to than Jones (because of his height) I will take that situation in a heartbeat.

With Freemantle and Carter sure to take plenty of threes next year, I see Miles being much more valuable to the team as a reliable rebounder and scorer in the paint.

I don't buy the idea of "easier target" based on a couple inches of height. I don't have any stats to back it up, but I'm thinking maybe 75% of entry passes are bounce passes to a Big that has gained deep post position. Getting it to Miles in a way that exploits his size would mean more of a lob entry pass, and that might be difficult considering the height of the likely passers (Tandy / Odom) and having to get the lob over their defender. AND, it only matters if Miles can get that deep post position, which given his lack of strength might be difficult. I'd count on Miles to be: 1) a 1-on-1 defensive stopper (low shooting % for the guy he is guarding), 2) A help defender at the rim (leave his guy to block shots on drives), 3) a mediocre offensive rebounder with occasional putbacks, 4) potentially a finisher is we can run a little bit....

I think expecting anything more from Miles is unrealistic. Not many bigs are proficient at both ends of the floor, and if they are they end up at the blue blood schools and move along to the pros quickly.

[IM4X]

I don't buy the idea of "easier target" based on a couple inches of height. I don't have any stats to back it up, but I'm thinking maybe 75% of entry passes are bounce passes to a Big that has gained deep post position. Getting it to Miles in a way that exploits his size would mean more of a lob entry pass, and that might be difficult considering the height of the likely passers (Tandy / Odom) and having to get the lob over their defender. AND, it only matters if Miles can get that deep post position, which given his lack of strength might be difficult. I'd count on Miles to be: 1) a 1-on-1 defensive stopper (low shooting % for the guy he is guarding), 2) A help defender at the rim (leave his guy to block shots on drives), 3) a mediocre offensive rebounder with occasional putbacks, 4) potentially a finisher is we can run a little bit....

I think expecting anything more from Miles is unrealistic. Not many bigs are proficient at both ends of the floor, and if they are they end up at the blue blood schools and move along to the pros quickly.

Maybe you can’t buy it now. I can’t offer you stats to prove anything (because he hasn’t played yet), but I can ofder you the words of Steele who literally said Miles was (paraphrasing here) the easiest target to get the ball to inside in practice. He mentioned that he had great hands and more than any other big, he has a knack for grabbing any ball thrown in his vicinity, even poorly thrown ones.

That bit of info from the coach and the fact that Miles is taller with a longer wingspan and the fact that he can jump much higher (again according to Steele) than any other big this past year, leads me to believe he should indeed be an easier target than any of the bigs were this past year.


I don’t necessarily expect him coming out and being a double digit scorer (at least not right away), but I do see him being disruptive in the paint, causing fits for any opponent trying to shoot in the lane over him (like Hankins was) with his height and long arms. I expect to see Miles rebound well (though not at the level of Jones) and I expect him to be very good at blocking. I don’t think anyone is expecting him to be able to do it all, but if he can stick to his strengths and continue to work on other parts of his game, maybe he will end up being one of the best bigs X has ever had by the time he finishes here (just as Steele has stated is a realistic possibility).

Also, having a taller player who can jump higher should significantly help smaller guards. If they now have the option of lobbing passes up in the air for him, knowing only he can get it, there job just got easier.

If he can average 7 points. 7 rebounds and a little over a block a game this coming season, I think that would be helpful to the team and we’d all be pretty happy.

[xuphan]

If he can average 7 points. 7 rebounds and a little over a block a game this coming season, I think that would be helpful to the team and we’d all be pretty happy.[/QUOTE]

I agree. If he can average 7 points 7 rebounds a game I will be happy. We definitely need him to contribute next year.

[xukeith]

If he can average 7 points. 7 rebounds and a little over a block a game this coming season, I think that would be helpful to the team and we’d all be pretty happy.

I agree. If he can average 7 points 7 rebounds a game I will be happy. We definitely need him to contribute next year.[/QUOTE]

7 points and 7 rebounds is a gigantic ask for a kid wh has not played D1 or not being a monster of athleticism in the CYO's.
It is possible but not likely. I imagine next year (2021-2022 season) will be his fruitful witness.

[UCGRAD4X]

Maybe we should start a separate Miles thread.

[94GRAD]

I agree. If he can average 7 points 7 rebounds a game I will be happy. We definitely need him to contribute next year.

7 points and 7 rebounds is a gigantic ask for a kid wh has not played D1 or not being a monster of athleticism in the CYO's.
It is possible but not likely. I imagine next year (2021-2022 season) will be his fruitful witness.[/QUOTE]

Zach averaged 7.5 and 4.3 for comparison.

[xu82]

7 points and 7 rebounds is a gigantic ask for a kid wh has not played D1 or not being a monster of athleticism in the CYO's.
It is possible but not likely. I imagine next year (2021-2022 season) will be his fruitful witness.

Zach averaged 7.5 and 4.3 for comparison.[/QUOTE]

....and I was thrilled with what I saw from him.

[xu82]

What’s up with the quoting snafu? That’s odd.....

Oh, well.....

[nuts4xu]

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[xuphan]

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Luke Goode has committed to Illinois. Xavier seemed to be pretty involved in his recruitment so hopefully Steele is in good position to land Pierre Brooks from Michigan.

[Xville]

Luke Goode has committed to Illinois. Xavier seemed to be pretty involved in his recruitment so hopefully Steele is in good position to land Pierre Brooks from Michigan.

He wont be leaving the state of michigan. Others on here seem more confident but I have a bad feeling on this 21 class.

[xavierj]

He wont be leaving the state of michigan. Others on here seem more confident but I have a bad feeling on this 21 class.

No they will be fine. Everyone they are involved with is highly rated. I think they are being patient, but it will be another solid class. Not sure on Brooks. I know Xavier is near the top right now but my guess is Michigan State. Here is my guess on the class. Ike Cornish, Jordan Hawkins, Robbie Armbrester and Jeremy Sochan.

[Xville]

No they will be fine. Everyone they are involved with is highly rated. I think they are being patient, but it will be another solid class. Not sure on Brooks. I know Xavier is near the top right now but my guess is Michigan State. Here is my guess on the class. Ike Cornish, Jordan Hawkins, Robbie Armbrester and Jeremy Sochan.

That same thing happened in 18, and then x ended up with none of them. it worries me to not have anyone on board yet, though I know almost everyone in the big east is in the same position.

It was nice to have odom on board so early in the 20 process.

[xuphan]

That same thing happened in 18, and then x ended up with none of them. it worries me to not have anyone on board yet, though I know almost everyone in the big east is in the same position.

It was nice to have odom on board so early in the 20 process.

It is a bit early to start worrying about the 21 class. The COVID-19 pandemic hasn’t helped us on the recruiting front with not being able to visit recruits and being them on campus. If we get into fall and we still don’t have a recruit for 21 then I would start to worry. As of right now, I wouldn’t worry about it.

[xavierj]

That same thing happened in 18, and then x ended up with none of them. it worries me to not have anyone on board yet, though I know almost everyone in the big east is in the same position.

It was nice to have odom on board so early in the 20 process.

18 was because the freaking coach was half way out the door and it was used against them. All the coaches knew where Mack was going after the season. Plus Travis is just a better recruiter than Mack is.

[Xville]

18 was because the freaking coach was half way out the door and it was used against them. All the coaches knew where Mack was going after the season. Plus Travis is just a better recruiter than Mack is.

I agree with all of this, but I'm still concerned.

[Lamont Sanford]

Agreed that it is going to be hard to get Pierre Brooks out of Michigan with both UofM and State after him as well. I think he is the top target of Steele.

[xukeith]

Agreed that it is going to be hard to get Pierre Brooks out of Michigan with both UofM and State after him as well. I think he is the top target of Steele.

Might MSU snag a top 40 ranked point? just saying.

[XUMIOH12]

Agreed that it is going to be hard to get Pierre Brooks out of Michigan with both UofM and State after him as well. I think he is the top target of Steele.

Yeah, all signs point to Pierre Brooks going to Michigan State. Would have been an amazing get for Xavier.

[xuphan]

Yeah, all signs point to Pierre Brooks going to Michigan State. Would have been an amazing get for Xavier.

Pierre Brooks to decide tomorrow. Sounds like he is down to Michigan, Michigan State, and Xavier. Come on Steele! Steele him from the Michigan schools.

[Lamont Sanford]

All signs pointing to Brooks staying in-state and winding up at MSU. I think Ike Cornish is now our new top target.

[xavierj]

All signs pointing to Brooks staying in-state and winding up at MSU. I think Ike Cornish is now our new top target.

I like Ike, but hope we get this guy as well.

https://247sports.com/Player/Jordan-Hawkins-46086193/

[xuphan]

All signs pointing to Brooks staying in-state and winding up at MSU. I think Ike Cornish is now our new top target.

Will be difficult to pull him from the East coast. Looks like a player though.