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MHettel
04-03-2020, 03:26 PM
I realize that a lot of XU fans hold out hope that Marshall will come back as a Senior. But lets be honest..that's HIS Plan D. He's a potential NBA guy, a probable D-League guy, and a lock to play overseas.

He's gone...and with that we look back at his career in context of those that came before him.

Question: Can a guy that is average at everything, be an above average player? I'm leaning to YES on this after looking at Naji's stats. My eyes tell me he was a good player. My memories tell me that he was part of a great team early on, but then couldn't extend that success when the weight was upon him. Polarizing is what I'm left with. A guy that could take over, but couldn't win the game...

Naji as a SHOOTER / SCORER
First and Foremost, Naji was a VOLUME scorer. This means he scored a lot of points by taking a lot of shots. His Field Goal Attempt per minute ranked 7th of 59 former players. Hi shooting % from 2 ranked 30th of 80 players. So from 2, you have an above average shooter taking an above average number of shots. That's a plus right? Now look a little deeper into who he played with as a Freshman, he played with Kanter (#2) Bluiett (#3) and Macura (#14) who ranked near the top of 59 players in Shots per minute. So Naji REALLY ramped up the attempts as a sophomore and Junior. As a Junior, Naji took the exact same number of shots (15.4) per 40 minutes as Trevon did as a Senior, but Trevon was shooting more 3's at a higher rate and getting to the line more often although he was taking less 2's. Result was that Trevon averaged 22.5 points per 40, vs. Naji's 18.9. So now, I'm zeroing in on 2 things to explain why the high volume of shot attempts with a solid 2pt% didn't translate into more efficient scoring. Free Throws and 3 Pointers...

Shooting from deep was NOT Naji's strong suit. He had to take some 3's just to keep the defense honest, right? His 3 pt attempts per minute ranked him 19th of 33 former players that are considered "shooters." So, he's in the bottom half for frequency of threes. And in terms of 3pt attempts as a % of his total shot attempts, he ranked 36 out of 48. So he didn't really take too many of them....And he certainly didn't MAKE too many of them. His 28.9% shooting from 3 ranked him 42 out of 48. (The 6 players below him in the rankings are: Goodin, Moore, Sumner, David Young, Lloyd Price, and Kevin Frey. -Yes, 3 of our bottom 7 (out of 48) 3 point shooter on the same team this year). Overall, the cumulative 3pt% of our 48 "shooters" in the population is .362%. If Naji JUST would have been average, that means an additional 27 made threes (81 pts) over his career. This stat could literally change the outcome of a season.

When it comes to Free Throws, Naji was average at making them (37th out of 80), and average at getting to the line on a per minute basis (26th out of 59). But what hurts Naji in the FT department is the low rate in getting to the line relative to the number of shots he took. Remember, he was 7th in shot attempts per minute and 26th in FT attempts per minute. Here is a look at the guys above him in attempts per minute and their corresponding FTA per minute rank: Tandy (6th/56th) (NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS!), Myles (5th/32nd), Christon (4th/4th), Bluiett (3rd/16th), Kanter (2nd/9th), and Crawford (1st/18th). I look past Tandy on this, as he was CLEARLY a gunner sent in to jack up 3's for this crappy team. I cant explain Myles. But the other 4 certainly used their shooting frequency to also get them to the line pretty often. I'll spare you the math, but using the FTA rate of Christon, Bluiett, Kanter and Crawford and Naji's FT%, I estimate he left about 83 points on the table. Remember, these aren't the guys that got to the line most often. These are the guys that took a lot of shots. I think you have to make some considerations about late foul shots when you are closing out close wins, so some of these guys who had more wins might have benefitted some.....

Anyway, I'm concluding that Naji took a lot of shots, put up some numbers, wasn't efficient, and as a result if was tough for us to win. BUT, I'm not sure we had many alternatives given the other players we had over the last 2 years.

If Naji WERE to come back and improve that deep shooting a little bit and have a few more weapons around him, I think there is a good chance that this chapter could be re-written.

Naji doing EVERYTHING else
By everything else, what I really mean is EVERYTHING else. He did it all. 27th out of 59 in Rebounds per minute. Of the 13 players that are noted as "swing" players (and I had minutes played for) he ranked 3rd. He was a particularly effective defensive rebounder, coming in 13th of 55, and #1 among the "swing" players. His offensive rebounding was 34th of 55, but hey he was taking all the shots so you cant expect him to get all the rebounds too. Naji was 11th of 59 in assists per minute. This is more than HammerTime, Dante, Crawford, Myles Davis, Lyons, Macura, and (notable passing Big Man) StainTrain. He's a shade behind Scruggs, Chalmers, and Semaj. In steals he was 27 of 59. In Blocks he was 37 of 59 (a little low), for (least) fouls he was 15th of 58. And in Turnovers, he was 57th of 58....hey, I said he did everything. Defending those turnovers a little bit, his assist to TO ratio was 27th out of 60. Solid all around.

Well I'll wrap up with an answer to my question. Yes, a guy that is average at everything (for the most part) can be an above average player. My outlook on Naji's future is pretty simple. Work on the deep shot and I'll be watching him on TV again in the near future.

XUOHTX
04-03-2020, 04:49 PM
I always thought of Naji has the worst best player we've had.

bobbiemcgee
04-03-2020, 04:52 PM
He was consistently inconsistent.

Lloyd Braun
04-03-2020, 06:05 PM
I always thought he could be ridiculous glue guy- justin cage on steroids. I think he would be ideal in that position as he is an above average ball handler for his size. Unfortunately Naji had another mindset.

xu82
04-03-2020, 06:22 PM
He’s got some great ability, and will hopefully learn to rein it in and make the most of it. I wish that had happened sooner, but I wish him all the best.

IM4X
04-03-2020, 06:32 PM
Expectations for Naji were sky high for good reason: his potential level of greatness was off the chart and we all got to see more than a few glimpses of it. Unfortunately, his lack of leadership and discipline and drive for self improvement (together with the limited supply of surrounding talent) kept him and the team at times from shining more often.

I would love to see him come back and get it right next year.

smileyy
04-03-2020, 07:38 PM
Naji would greatly benefit from more shooters around him. I think his volume shooting largely came from "who else is going to shoot the damn ball?" He would be much more effective with a lower usage.

MHettel
04-03-2020, 08:58 PM
Naji would greatly benefit from more shooters around him. I think his volume shooting largely came from "who else is going to shoot the damn ball?" He would be much more effective with a lower usage.

I WANT to agree with you. But I cannot help but wonder if Naji wouldn't have just taken over anyway, for the sake of his own stats and the perception that he's impressing the NBA. Remember, 4 of these guys played on a 1 seed, and then never made the dance after that. Naji's ability to take over a game was apparent. What wasn't always apparent was a reason to do so...

XU 87
04-03-2020, 09:39 PM
Per Kenpom, Naji was a little below average offensive player this year.

sirthought
04-04-2020, 02:16 AM
I see him as a guy we expected too much from, because he was basically the only player on the team that showed he might have the potential to do it. But I'm not sure it was the best role for him.

I think everything about his game would have evened out if he just took the time to become a better ball handler. He had enough of a first step to hurt a lot of defenders if only he didn't lose the ball.

whopper
04-04-2020, 09:29 AM
I thought he had a Swiss Army Knife skill set...need a rebound he got it, need a lock down defense stand he did it(or tried), need a drive he did it, need a drive and disk he did it (against St John at MSG), need a 3 he did it, need some ball handling against pressure from another forward, he did it. He was not the greatest at any of these(maybe driving) but in the top 20&. For some reason he seemed to resent having to do all this and I really think missing the tournament by one game in 18, and a Kamar Baldwin this(wasted) year weighed on him. I also think that his injury in the FSU game in 2018 gnawed at him. I actually think he will be back as this damn coronavirus will make it impossible to be evaluated and make Europe off limits. I wonder about his relationship with Q on the court..it almost seemed to me Naj was pleading with Q to snap out of it, be the drive and dish or drive and finish/get fouled Q of 2018 and it just did not happen It would have made Naj life easier but I could easily see Naj coming back now which I never would have thought 3 weeks ago

xufan2020
04-04-2020, 05:12 PM
I think Rick or Snow recently described him as a one read quarterback. I think that accurately describes his limitations in decision making. Him becoming more versatile as a distributor would’ve made him potentially a first round pick. Even with his 3pt% as is

paulxu
04-04-2020, 08:23 PM
I'd like to see him back playing the wing, instead of PG.

GIMMFD
04-04-2020, 11:08 PM
I think Rick or Snow recently described him as a one read quarterback. I think that accurately describes his limitations in decision making. Him becoming more versatile as a distributor would’ve made him potentially a first round pick. Even with his 3pt% as is

That's actually a great analogy, incredible talent, but man some of the decision making is so head scratching. Has everything that would be a "scout's dream" in pure genetics, great length, athletic, also seems to have the "clutch gene" with those big shots, but he never really tightened up his dribble, and played a little out of control. Naji was good, don't get me wrong, I'm glad he chose X, and I still think there's more good memories than bad ones, but he really does have the potential to be out of this world good, just didn't really seem to click unfortunately.

sirthought
04-05-2020, 07:30 AM
That's actually a great analogy, incredible talent, but man some of the decision making is so head scratching. Has everything that would be a "scout's dream" in pure genetics, great length, athletic, also seems to have the "clutch gene" with those big shots, but he never really tightened up his dribble, and played a little out of control. Naji was good, don't get me wrong, I'm glad he chose X, and I still think there's more good memories than bad ones, but he really does have the potential to be out of this world good, just didn't really seem to click unfortunately.

And again, just like with Goodin, I'm asking is that on the kid or the coaching? I don't know the answer but it seems as if they are trying to improve, yet somehow regress in a manner that isn't seen once they leave X and are trying things pro trainers are telling them to do.

GIMMFD
04-05-2020, 01:12 PM
And again, just like with Goodin, I'm asking is that on the kid or the coaching? I don't know the answer but it seems as if they are trying to improve, yet somehow regress in a manner that isn't seen once they leave X and are trying things pro trainers are telling them to do.

I'm not sure to be honest, I think it's too small of a sample size currently with Steele for me to answer that either way

drudy23
04-05-2020, 06:59 PM
It was pretty apparent Naji knew Steele couldn't and wouldn't make an example out of him.

It seemed the team deferred to him (unwillingly) and it felt like at times he had more power/control of the team than Steele. For how great some moments were for him, he had just as many head-scratchers. Naji giveth, Naji taketh away.

Even a small change in decision making, mistakes and enhanced teamwork dictated and made accountable by the coaching staff would have made a huge difference in team success. To me, that's more on the coaching staff.