CJ versus Hankins

[Muskie]

I don't know how many of you follow twitter, but there has been some back and forth between CJ Anderson and Hankins. For some reason it won't let me post the links. The gist is that CJ thinks Hankins is overrated because unlike CJ, he didn't make the Big Dance. They exchanged some minor insults and then began trading barbs about their careers.... It's all very... strange.

In true CJ fashion he's declared himself the winner with the hashtag #ThePeoplesChamp

[Xuperman]

Hope this little dust up doesn't effect our recruitment of Paul McMillan at Woodward....certainly CJ wouldn't get in his ear with anything negative about X over this, right?

I mean, for some odd reason Dante got himself involved and sided with Hankins...sheez!

[Muskie]

Hope this little dust up doesn't effect our recruitment of Paul McMillan at Woodward....certainly CJ wouldn't get in his ear with anything negative about X over this, right?

Considering CJ is the one that started the whole conversation, I wouldn't think so. Hankins didn't come after him out of the blue from what I read. I don't know what kind of relationship CJ has with this staff.

[xavierj]

Considering CJ is the one that started the whole conversation, I wouldn't think so. Hankins didn't come after him out of the blue from what I read. I don't know what kind of relationship CJ has with this staff.

Considering CJ played at Xavier, and is one of the coaches of one of the most sought after guards in the country, let's hope its a good relationship.

[Muskie]

Considering CJ played at Xavier, and is one of the coaches of one of the most sought after guards in the country, let's hope its a good relationship.

CJ's somewhat of a controversial figure around X basketball.

[boozehound]

Hope this little dust up doesn't effect our recruitment of Paul McMillan at Woodward....certainly CJ wouldn't get in his ear with anything negative about X over this, right?

I mean, for some odd reason Dante got himself involved and sided with Hankins...sheez!

I assume Dante involved himself because he coached Hankins last year. CJ Anderson is kind of a weird dude.

[GoMuskies]

The gist is that CJ thinks Hankins is overrated because unlike CJ, he didn't make the Big Dance.

He has a pretty solid point. I mean, CJ did a great job recruiting Drew Lavender, Derrick Brown, Josh Duncan, BJ Raymond, Stanley Burrell and Jason Love to come to Xavier and play with him. Hankins recruited Ryan Welage to come play at Xavier with him. Game, set, match Anderson.

[Xuperman]

I assume Dante involved himself because he coached Hankins last year. CJ Anderson is kind of a weird dude.

But Dante was a teammate for both years CJ played, including the '08 E8. One would think that trumps coaching a guy for 6 months....but maybe they didn't get along.

[GoMuskies]

I would say just the opposite. A coach is going to be much more protective of someone they coached than someone they played with.

[nuts4xu]

CJ Anderson is one of my favorite Twitter Follows. He simply stated he holds transfers to a high standard, and didn't think Hankins tenure on the team was very noteworthy...given the way the season ended. I've enjoyed the back and forth, and don't think CJ is taking it as seriously as others. He has said nothing derogatory about X during this exchange of words, and believes his E8 and S16 seasons were better than Hankins' season that ended in the NIT.

Tough to argue with that logic. I would take Hankins on a Xavier team any day of the week, but his one season at X was less than memorable. His performance was solid as an individual, and he made the team better as the season progressed, but they didn't play in the NCAA tournament, which is the standard for every X team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

CJ Anderson is one of my favorite Twitter Follows. He simply stated he holds transfers to a high standard, and didn't think Hankins tenure on the team was very noteworthy...given the way the season ended. I've enjoyed the back and forth, and don't think CJ is taking it as seriously as others. He has said nothing derogatory about X during this exchange of words, and believes his E8 and S16 seasons were better than Hankins' season that ended in the NIT.

Tough to argue with that logic. I would take Hankins on a Xavier team any day of the week, but his one season at X was less than memorable. His performance was solid as an individual, and he made the team better as the season progressed, but they didn't play in the NCAA tournament, which is the standard for every X team.

Yeah this is my take.

Also he didnt take a shot at Hankins directly. He initially said something along the line of "I hope these new transfers are good the recent transfers havent been."

Someone then mentioned Bernard and Hankins I believe and CJ did give props to Bernard but said no on Hankins. Then Hankins quoted the tweet and its been back and forth. Both Mario and Dante said CJ we love you dude but you're wrong on this one regarding Hankins.

CJ sticking to his guns, probably like nuts and others said, taking the position that he and Lavendar were transfers integral to XU post season success (as well as Bernard) and recent transfers havent even made the tourney.

CJ is a great twitter follow, he definitely speaks his mind about X basketball and its players and doesnt hold back. He'd fit in on this board perfectly lol!

But he really imo seems to love X and X bball. Seems like he has a good relationship with at least Mario and Dante and he has spoken highly of Steele on twitter too.

[Xavier]

CJ's somewhat of a controversial figure around X basketball.

Thats certainly true.

[Muskie]

CJ Anderson is one of my favorite Twitter Follows. He simply stated he holds transfers to a high standard, and didn't think Hankins tenure on the team was very noteworthy...given the way the season ended. I've enjoyed the back and forth, and don't think CJ is taking it as seriously as others. He has said nothing derogatory about X during this exchange of words, and believes his E8 and S16 seasons were better than Hankins' season that ended in the NIT.

Tough to argue with that logic. I would take Hankins on a Xavier team any day of the week, but his one season at X was less than memorable. His performance was solid as an individual, and he made the team better as the season progressed, but they didn't play in the NCAA tournament, which is the standard for every X team.

Who did CJ declare was the best transfer in X history? That's how this whole thing started. He stated someone was the best Transfer ever at X and someone responded that they thought Hankins was better. I thought he said it was Travis Taylor... but can't find that particular tweet anymore.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Who did CJ declare was the best transfer in X history? That's how this whole thing started. He stated someone was the best Transfer ever at X and someone responded that they thought Hankins was better. I thought he said it was Travis Taylor... but can't find that particular tweet anymore.

That isnt how I saw it start. What I posted above that it started by CJ basically saying he hopes these transfers we are getting are good that the last several hav not been good. Then someone mentioned Bernard and Hankins specifically and he said yeah true on Bernard but basically no Hankins wasnt good.

[surfxu]

That isnt how I saw it start. What I posted above that it started by CJ basically saying he hopes these transfers we are getting are good that the last several hav not been good. Then someone mentioned Bernard and Hankins specifically and he said yeah true on Bernard but basically no Hankins wasnt good.

This is how I saw it get started too. Seems like it's calmed down now though. I would say in Hankins defense, he did a LOT for that team just to get them in position to make the NIT. He was a really high impact piece once he got into the flow of the season. A couple early season losses were what kept them out. I mean what if they had won that Auburn overtime game in Maui? They would have still needed to turn another one or two losses around too, but Hanky hadn't gotten into his groove yet. I hold the belief that IF they had made the tourney they could have been a sweet 16 team the way they were playing towards the end. As for CJ, he's a great follow on twitter and is a big supporter of Steele and X. When I look back, he really played on some teams with some really good players around him. Not to say anything negative at all about CJ, I loved his toughness, but those were some fun teams to watch for sure with a lot of talent with a decent bench.

[MADXSTER]

FWIW, for those who haven't been around the program as long as others, prior to CJ coming to Xavier, Xavier was considered a soft basketball program. They were not considered a physically tough team like UC's Huggins teams. That changed once CJ joined Xavier and became infectious with the rest of the team.

[JTG]

FWIW, for those who haven't been around the program as long as others, prior to CJ coming to Xavier, Xavier was considered a soft basketball program. They were not considered a physically tough team like UC's Huggins teams. That changed once CJ joined Xavier and became infectious with the rest of the team.

I don't believe Xavier was considered soft just because they were not like Huggy's team. UC was a bunch of goons, and lots of teams would be considered soft compared to them. Huggy played up the we're a bunch of thugs angle. Hill & Strong were not soft, Frey was certainly not soft. Personally, aside from 2 hours, one day a year, I don't give a shit about UC. But for some everything in their life revolves around what UC does.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't believe Xavier was considered soft just because they were not like Huggy's team. UC was a bunch of goons, and lots of teams would be considered soft compared to them. Huggy played up the we're a bunch of thugs angle. Hill & Strong were not soft, Frey was certainly not soft. Personally, aside from 2 hours, one day a year, I don't give a shit about UC. But for some everything in their life revolves around what UC does.

Hey just because I am on the bearkittens website checking their field hockey scores hoping to see a loss does not mean my life revolves around UC!

[blueblood]

Hill & Strong were not soft, Frey was certainly not soft.

And then there was a guy named David West in there too . . .

[IM4X]

I don't believe Xavier was considered soft just because they were not like Huggy's team. UC was a bunch of goons... Hill & Strong were not soft, Frey was certainly not soft.

This.

CJ Anderson did not introduce “Toughness” to X. There were so many tough teams before he came.

No question that the team with Hill, Strong, Walker, Kimbrough, Davenport - or the next season that added Brantley and Williams (and knocked off a Georgetown team that had Mourning, Mutombo, Charles Smith and two other NBA players on it).

That was one tough group of guys.

[94GRAD]

This.

CJ Anderson did not introduce “Toughness” to X. There were so many tough teams before he came.

No question that the team with Hill, Strong, Walker, Kimbrough, Davenport - or the next season that added Brantley and Williams (and knocked off a Georgetown team that had Mourning, Mutombo, Charles Smith and two other NBA players on it).

That was one tough group of guys.


I dare someone to tell Torraye Braggs he wasn't tough!

[nuts4xu]

FWIW, for those who haven't been around the program as long as others, prior to CJ coming to Xavier, Xavier was considered a soft basketball program. They were not considered a physically tough team like UC's Huggins teams. That changed once CJ joined Xavier and became infectious with the rest of the team.

This is 100% accurate. Before Anderson transferred to Xavier, we were coming off a series of teams filled with "nice guys". It started with Coach Prosser (another nice guy), when he signed Gary Lumpkin's class, and we were inundated with stories about how he played the organ in his church. When Justin Doellman was on the team, he would literally get punched in the face once per season. Each time it happened, there was zero retaliation. He often played better after taking the punch, but his teammates always accepted it, and the program developed a reputation in some circles as "soft".

CJ Anderson transferred to Xavier and that all changed. He brought some swagger, and toughness we hadn't seen in a while. It was refreshing. Nice guys like Derrick Brown, Dante Jackson, Josh Duncan, Justin Doellman, Brad Redford, and all great players, but not known for their physical toughness. CJ didn't start fights, didn't get a lot of T's that I can recall, but carried himself with confidence and "don't f**k with me" attitude. He showed no fear, and didn't back down from anyone.

[GoMuskies]

I hear you on Lumpkin....but in Lumpkin's class was Lenny Brown. Dude.

[IM4X]

I dare someone to tell Torraye Braggs he wasn't tough!

He may have been the baddest of the bad to ever play at X.

[cutterX]

Torraye Braggs hands down. The dude scared me and I sat in the upper section of the Gardens! Other teams did not eff with him!

[MHettel]

Jeff Robinson.

That dude scared me every time he entered the game.

[xeus]

I'd fight A-Train and Weez at the same time before I messed with Andre Smith.

[94GRAD]

I'd fight A-Train and Weez at the same time before I messed with Andre Smith.

He is out of prison now

[paulxu]

Speaking of Prosser on the nice guy front...his son Mark, who coaches at Western Carolina, just won the Skip Prosser Award.

[94GRAD]

Speaking of Prosser on the nice guy front...his son Mark, who coaches at Western Carolina, just won the Skip Prosser Award.

Nepotism at its finest?

[MHettel]

B]TALE OF THE TAPE[/B]

CJ vs Hankins

Career FG%: CJ 48.5% Hankins 68.6%
FG attempts per Minute: CJ .288 Hankins .309
FT attempts per Minute: CJ .170 Hankins .102
ORebs per Minute: CJ .082 Hankins .100
DRebs per Minute: CJ .132 Hankins .143
Asst per Minute: CJ .073 Hankins .048
Steals per Minute: CJ .030 Hankins .017
Blocks per Minute: CJ .014 Hankins .071
TOs per Minute: CJ .085 Hankins .046
Fouls per Minute: CJ .089 Hankins .085
Points per Minute: CJ .387 Hankins .488


Look, I'd take either of these guys in a heartbeat. If CJ had issues with Castlin, or Moore, or even Carter....then I'd get it. But Hankins was a stud.

[Juice]

B]TALE OF THE TAPE[/B]

CJ vs Hankins

Career FG%: CJ 48.5% Hankins 68.6%
FG attempts per Minute: CJ .288 Hankins .309
FT attempts per Minute: CJ .170 Hankins .102
ORebs per Minute: CJ .082 Hankins .100
DRebs per Minute: CJ .132 Hankins .143
Asst per Minute: CJ .073 Hankins .048
Steals per Minute: CJ .030 Hankins .017
Blocks per Minute: CJ .014 Hankins .071
TOs per Minute: CJ .085 Hankins .046
Fouls per Minute: CJ .089 Hankins .085
Points per Minute: CJ .387 Hankins .488


Look, I'd take either of these guys in a heartbeat. If CJ had issues with Castlin, or Moore, or even Carter....then I'd get it. But Hankins was a stud.

CJ makes no sense. He kept talking about number or stats or something, and it turns out that Hankins had similar stats in less minutes. Then he argued team success as if that's the way to truly measure an individual. Then someone pointed out that X started winning more once Hankins began starting and he had no response.

I know we all love CJ for what he did on the court and his twitter entertainment, but the guy isn't the brightest.

[drudy23]

Who did CJ declare was the best transfer in X history?

I'm guessing he thinks it's CJ.

As for toughness, I'd bring Torraye out of retirement right now if I could. Loved how he played.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The whole thing is silly and Hankins was a good transfer.

Honestly though if you could only have one guy for an X team give me CJ all day. He was what 6'5? He played like he was 6'9 down on the block tho. Dude was a player.

[Mrs. Garrett]

The whole thing is silly and Hankins was a good transfer.

Honestly though if you could only have one guy for an X team give me CJ all day. He was what 6'5? He played like he was 6'9 down on the block tho. Dude was a player.

Agree. My memories though tend to be more favorable of players who went to the tournament. If you were only here one year and you didn't go dancing, I'm going to take the guy with similar numbers who went twice on two of the better teams in school history.

[IM4X]

Hankins was a stud and can not be thought of any less because he was not on an NCAA tournament team. I see it this way: He made that team better and X would have been in the NCAA Tournament instead of the NIT if Steele wasn’t so suborn about putting him out there more often with Jones earlier in the season. Travis does deserve credit for recognizing his talent, though.

Hankins was as disruptive in the paint as just about any transfer we had. He was a legit threat on offense. He was all about the team. The kid was a warrior and delivered when called upon. To top it off, he was respectful and never complained.

If anything, the team and the coach failed him more than anything else.
Hankins was a great Musketeer. Period.

[Lamont Sanford]

Hankins was a stud and can not be thought of any less because he was not on an NCAA tournament team. I see it this way: He made that team better and X would have been in the NCAA Tournament instead of the NIT if Steele wasn’t so suborn about putting him out there more often with Jones earlier in the season. Travis does deserve credit for recognizing his talent, though.

Hankins was as disruptive in the paint as just about any transfer we had. He was a legit threat on offense. He was all about the team. The kid was a warrior and delivered when called upon. To top it off, he was respectful and never complained.

If anything, the team and the coach failed him more than anything else.
Hankins was a great Musketeer. Period.

Amen. +1. Hanky McSpanky was a great Musketeer in his limited time on-campus. I love CJ...but he's completely wrong about #35.

[paulxu]

Pete Maravich never made an NCAA tournament.
Neither did Klay Thompson or Paul George.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Pete Maravich never made an NCAA tournament.
Neither did Klay Thompson or Paul George.

So now Hankins is on par with this group?

[paulxu]

So now Hankins is on par with this group?

No way Hanky is in that group.
Just pointing out NCAA tournament play is not the definition of a successful basketball player.

[GIMMFD]

No way Hanky is in that group.
Just pointing out NCAA tournament play is not the definition of a successful basketball player.

Holy crap, Pistol Pete never made an NCAA Tournament??? Didn't he average like 40 a game in college??

[paulxu]

44.2/game.

[joe titan]

Holy crap, Pistol Pete never made an NCAA Tournament??? Didn't he average like 40 a game in college??

In those days (late 60s) only the SEC Champ was qualified; no post-season conference tourney (except ACC) and nobody was winning SEC but UK.

[Strange Brew]

44.2/game.

That’s nice but could he jump off one foot???

[XUGRAD80]

Not reading the whole thread, but I want to point out that UC won its championships AFTER Oscar Robinson had graduated. Does that make the players on those teams better than the Big O? Where the PLAYERS on those teams more successful, or where those TEAMS more successful?

[GoMuskies]

In those days (late 60s) only the SEC Champ was qualified; no post-season conference tourney (except ACC) and nobody was winning SEC but UK.

Two of Pete's three years LSU was bad. Press Maravich was not a good coach.

[XU 87]

44.2/game.

And it would have probably been more than 50 ppg if there was a three point line.

[GoMuskies]

His three years, Pete took a staggering 39.3, 37.5 and 37.7 shots per game. He shot 42.3%, 44.4% and 44.7%. Somehow he still managed to average over 5 assists per game for his career (over 6 per game his senior year).

[paulxu]

Boy, we derailed the sh$t out of this thread.:munch:

[GoMuskies]

Boy, we derailed the sh$t out of this thread.:munch:

For the best. Civil wars are never a great topic.