View Full Version : Game Thread: Xavier vs. Butler (March 7, 2020) BE Conference Game
paulxu
03-06-2020, 06:10 PM
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kBAAAOSwqfNXkU44/s-l300.jpg VS. https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images/team_logos/328x328/butler.png
XAVIER UNIVERSITY MUSKETEERS (19-11, 8-9 BIG EAST)
BUTLER UNIVERSITY BULLDOGS (21-9, 9-8 BIG EAST)
SENIOR NIGHT --- SATURDAY, MARCH 7, 2020 AT 8:30 P.M. ET
CINTAS CENTER (10,224) IN CINCINNATI, OHIO
TV, RADIO AND LIVE STATS
Television: FS1 with play-by-play from Thom Brennaman and analysis from Nick Bahe.
Radio: 55KRC-AM with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88). The broadcast will also be available on Sirius XM (380) and Internet (970).
Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com and fan stats at GoXavier.com
flatspat
03-06-2020, 10:12 PM
X 2.5 fav v butler
Seton hall 2.5 dog at creighton
Marquette 1.5 fav at johnnies
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 08:22 AM
For those with really short memories, Xavier was in this exact same position exactly 5 years ago on March 7, 2015. The difference is that X had to go to the 18,000 capacity cauldron that is Creighton. This year, at least, we’re at home.
X was squarely on the bubble at 41 RPI. 8-9 in Conference, had to win to avoid Wednesday in MSG and finish 6th. Sound familiar? This with Big Stain, Reynolds, the Davis boys Jimmy Farr and young Trevon and JP. We barely won at the end after Dee Davis did a great job buying a foul at midcourt with 6 secs left and cooly sinking two frees. X then went on to knock off ranked teams Butler & GTown and made a Sweet 16.
Moral: Special season’s can still come from a morass. Mack and his minions pulled it off. Does Steele and this team have it?
We’ll see.
Lloyd Braun
03-07-2020, 10:42 AM
I have no doubt that by 830 I will have irrational confidence that X wins in a rout. Time to start peaking and make some noise in the dance.
D-West & PO-Z
03-07-2020, 01:20 PM
Naji posted on social media this was his last home game in a Xavier jersey. Ugh.
Naji posted on social media this was his last home game in a Xavier jersey. Ugh.
Well, pretty much what everyone has expected. Let's hope he goes out with a flourish, like say a 2-4 game NCAA win streak.
KabeX
03-07-2020, 01:37 PM
Apparently he has since taken it down but no one should be at all surprised by this.
GIMMFD
03-07-2020, 01:42 PM
Naji posted on social media this was his last home game in a Xavier jersey. Ugh.
Expected but hopefully it means he has a monster game along with Tyrique, really need them to take care of business tonight.
D-West & PO-Z
03-07-2020, 01:42 PM
Apparently he has since taken it down but no one should be at all surprised by this.
Not at all surprised at that reality but definitely surprised he would post it.
Not at all surprised at that reality but definitely surprised he would post it.
Maybe he was just hoping for the framed jersey and bouquet of flowers for his Mom.
noteggs
03-07-2020, 01:47 PM
Naji posted on social media this was his last home game in a Xavier jersey. Ugh.
Yea kinda like his play at times, not smart
KabeX
03-07-2020, 01:50 PM
Y, he definitely should not have posted it. I'll miss the tantalizing talent and heart of Good Naji. Bad Naji caused me to invent some new and colorful terms. Like others have said, here's to Good Naji having a nice long run in his last dance.
X-band '01
03-07-2020, 01:54 PM
We knew this was more likely than not going to be the last season for both Marshall and Scruggs, seeing as how they declared for the draft last year before withdrawing to return this year.
D-West & PO-Z
03-07-2020, 02:25 PM
We knew this was more likely than not going to be the last season for both Marshall and Scruggs, seeing as how they declared for the draft last year before withdrawing to return this year.
I dont think declaring last year has anything to do with it to be honest. There is not penalty and no reason not to if you are even close to being NBA caliber. But I have always felt like this would be Naji's last season. Scruggs I think didnt have the year he wanted though and can show so much more.
Scruggs as a fulltime 2 guard could really flourish.
AviatorX
03-07-2020, 03:00 PM
Scruggs as a fulltime 2 guard could really flourish.
I agree, but also have to laugh because of how many were on here saying "Goodin sucks, Scruggs is this team's best PG" a few short months ago.
Xville
03-07-2020, 03:06 PM
I agree, but also have to laugh because of how many were on here saying "Goodin sucks, Scruggs is this team's best PG" a few short months ago.
That's probably still true....which is kinda sad. Actually, kyky is probably the best pg which is equally as sad. A lot of the turnovers have obviously been the by product of the fact that there is not a real pg on the roster.
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 03:11 PM
Yea kinda like his play at times, not smart
He deleted it but screenshots are forever.
Who among us hasn’t posted something then regretted it tho?
GIMMFD
03-07-2020, 03:19 PM
He deleted it but screenshots are forever.
Who among us hasn’t posted something then regretted it tho?
I don't know, maybe I'm just weird, but I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I thought of it as like a chance to get Cintas rocking on Senior Night even more, maybe a bit dumb and not in good taste, but I didn't think it was anything worth deleting especially since as everyone said, we kinda knew that was gonna be the case. I guess maybe it takes away from Goodin, Schrand, and Jones??? I don't know.
X-band '01
03-07-2020, 03:39 PM
I dont think declaring last year has anything to do with it to be honest. There is not penalty and no reason not to if you are even close to being NBA caliber. But I have always felt like this would be Naji's last season. Scruggs I think didnt have the year he wanted though and can show so much more.
I think you can only withdraw once from the NBA Draft now - that was my point. Naji more or less tipped his hand here - but at least it's good to see he does have a heightened sense of urgency for tonight's game.
Xville
03-07-2020, 03:46 PM
I don't know, maybe I'm just weird, but I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I thought of it as like a chance to get Cintas rocking on Senior Night even more, maybe a bit dumb and not in good taste, but I didn't think it was anything worth deleting especially since as everyone said, we kinda knew that was gonna be the case. I guess maybe it takes away from Goodin, Schrand, and Jones??? I don't know.
I agree. I mean unless you have been living under a rock, we all knew this was the case. The guy has the measurables to be an nba player...he obviously has a lot to work on, but why wait another year. He can refine his game a lot better outside of college life. Go make your money either by fulfilling the dream or going to europe...and thank you for the memories, let's just make a few more before you leave.
94GRAD
03-07-2020, 03:47 PM
I think you can only withdraw once from the NBA Draft now - that was my point. Naji more or less tipped his hand here - but at least it's good to see he does have a heightened sense of urgency for tonight's game.
This was changed 2 years ago, you can put your name in the hat every year to be evaluated and still return to college.
paulxu
03-07-2020, 04:09 PM
This was changed 2 years ago, you can put your name in the hat every year to be evaluated and still return to college.
Maybe Naji and Scruggs will be evaluated and return again.
noteggs
03-07-2020, 04:36 PM
He deleted it but screenshots are forever.
Who among us hasn’t posted something then regretted it tho?
Completely agree and IMO, that’s all it was. From a team perspective, this is something Steele could have done without before a big game. Sure a lot here (including myself) have posted stupid crap on this board. I’m a huge Naji fan and always will be. Just thought he may have learned something with him liking a post about missing Mack (if my memory serves me correct) after our tough start last year. At least that was after a game. Oh well, he’s only 22.
noteggs
03-07-2020, 04:56 PM
Baum just reported Scruggs is a game time decision
X-band '01
03-07-2020, 05:04 PM
Gamesmanship on Steele's part here.
XU_Lou
03-07-2020, 05:15 PM
Not sure about that, Baum responded to a question as to whether he took part in the shootaround today: "Very limited. Spent a lot of time on the stationary bike"
Lloyd Braun
03-07-2020, 05:29 PM
I’m more miffed he took down the post than posted it in the first place. What’s the big deal? Who actually expected him here next year? I’d rather him divulge the info today to appreciate his last game than bounce after weeks of wondering in the off season.
Bring the glass cased jersey! Bring the roses! I’ve been waiting for Senior Year Naji and he is ready.
Xavgrad08
03-07-2020, 06:36 PM
Scruggs now listed as out vs Butler according to the Enquirer. https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4989344002
kellernr
03-07-2020, 06:48 PM
Need Moore to play some tonight. His defense is better than Q and Tandy. Hopefully we can get some offensive production from Q on senior night
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I think you can only withdraw once from the NBA Draft now - that was my point. Naji more or less tipped his hand here - but at least it's good to see he does have a heightened sense of urgency for tonight's game.
I hope Naji has some “positive urgency”, as opposed to.....you know......
He is certainly capable of taking a game over. Just take care of the ball and take smart shots.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 07:30 PM
I think you can only withdraw once from the NBA Draft now - that was my point. Naji more or less tipped his hand here - but at least it's good to see he does have a heightened sense of urgency for tonight's game.Before 2016, the NCAA only allowed a player to enter the draft once without losing eligibility, but current NCAA rules now allow players to declare for and withdraw from multiple drafts while retaining college eligibility. The CBA allows a player to withdraw twice
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KabeX
03-07-2020, 08:26 PM
I've been down on Q like most this season. But damn it you're a senior and your team really needs you with Paul out. Please play smart!
bjf123
03-07-2020, 08:31 PM
I think Q needs 7 assists to pass Tu Holloway on the all time assist list. Let’s hope he gets them tonight.
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KabeX
03-07-2020, 08:33 PM
I think Q needs 7 assists to pass Tu Holloway on the all time assist list. Let’s hope he gets them tonight.
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Indeed. It's been a tough sr. season but overall his 4 years were pretty damn good.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 08:41 PM
I think Q needs 7 assists to pass Tu Holloway on the all time assist list. Let’s hope he gets them tonight.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWith Scruggs out I think he will get there. I'm praying for a big game from Q. Close out your career on a high note at home
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GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 08:50 PM
This start...yikes.
X Factor
03-07-2020, 08:53 PM
Steele better recruit guys that can actually make shots.
Why bring Moore in first off the bench? Just dumb.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 08:53 PM
Pathetic start to this game. At least butler can't hit anything either
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KabeX
03-07-2020, 08:54 PM
Well, we're gonna have to win ugly. Not like we haven't seen that before.
SM#24
03-07-2020, 08:55 PM
I guess it’s OK to start 0-8 if your opponent is going to go 1-6.
SM#24
03-07-2020, 08:56 PM
And now we’re winning.
paulxu
03-07-2020, 08:57 PM
My pick the score is in serious jeopardy.
bjf123
03-07-2020, 09:01 PM
My pick the score is in serious jeopardy.
You’re not alone!
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xudash
03-07-2020, 09:02 PM
If Goodin comes back in and attempts and misses another 3, this should be his final HALF at home.
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:07 PM
Carter and Goodin are our offensive heroes so far. Of COURSE!
X Factor
03-07-2020, 09:07 PM
Brick city...
whopper
03-07-2020, 09:08 PM
I don't know what to make of this game.. Tyrique with zero fouls should be trying to get more opportunity points like that by running and offensive rebounding. Dumping into the low post is not working and I be during his good scoring run 40% of points were opportunity
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:09 PM
I don't know what to make of this game..
We're winning!
KabeX
03-07-2020, 09:11 PM
No stupid fouls yet. Winning the TO battle. Winning the game. Let's just end this now.
Blue Blooded-05
03-07-2020, 09:14 PM
That was Carter’s best play all season
Where does Naji think he can play for money? I’ve seen smarter play at the Y.......
The talent is there, but......
X Factor
03-07-2020, 09:15 PM
5 of Baddely's 14 three pointers this season have come against Xavier.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 09:17 PM
The seniors are having a stellar night so far.
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GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:17 PM
Our FT shooting is frustrating.
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:20 PM
Good god this is terrible.
X Factor
03-07-2020, 09:20 PM
If we lose tonight and lose Wednesday, it's NIT bound.
SM#24
03-07-2020, 09:21 PM
Nothing like saving the worst for last.
AviatorX
03-07-2020, 09:21 PM
Where does Naji think he can play for money? I’ve seen smarter play at the Y.......
The talent is there, but......
I honestly think Naji will stick in the NBA. Probably back and forth on a couple 10 days his first few years and never more than an end of the bench guy, but the pieces are there.
Xville
03-07-2020, 09:21 PM
This team effing sucks. I'm so tired of watching goodin play...just leave already
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:25 PM
I think we're about to get a short "Good Naji" burst.
KabeX
03-07-2020, 09:25 PM
That was f'in horrible
X Factor
03-07-2020, 09:28 PM
One thing Jones has not developed in 4 years is a left hand around the rim.
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:31 PM
Tandy is not playing well. But he's not alone.
X Factor
03-07-2020, 09:31 PM
My eyes are bleeding.
I honestly think Naji will stick in the NBA. Probably back and forth on a couple 10 days his first few years and never more than an end of the bench guy, but the pieces are there.
The TALENT is there, the decision making has a ways to go.
whopper
03-07-2020, 09:34 PM
man we dodged that bullett..
AviatorX
03-07-2020, 09:35 PM
If you're still in denial with respect to Tandy's defense, look no further than Butler going at him by design with Aaron Thompson. Jeez.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 09:35 PM
I think we're about to get a short "Good Naji" burst.Need him to do something tonight. Letting Baldwin blow past him and missing everything from the floor isnt going to bring X a win
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AviatorX
03-07-2020, 09:35 PM
The TALENT is there, the decision making has a ways to go.
Beauty of the pros. He's not good enough to ever be in a decision making role like he is at X.
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:36 PM
Hard to believe we're only down by 2. Feels much worse. If Jones replaces his body double in the second half we should be okay.
bjf123
03-07-2020, 09:36 PM
Well, that was a totally uninspired half of basketball from both teams.
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Beauty of the pros. He's not good enough to ever be in a decision making role like he is at X.
If the ball is in your hands, you are making important decisions. He has an issue there.
bjf123
03-07-2020, 09:43 PM
Our FT shooting is frustrating.
Sadly, that’s one of the few consistencies this year.
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X Factor
03-07-2020, 09:43 PM
If you're still in denial with respect to Tandy's defense, look no further than Butler going at him by design with Aaron Thompson. Jeez.
I put some of the blame on our scouting report. We play so far off of Thompson, it allows him to get a huge head of steam going toward the basket. Is he great, obviously not as a freshman, but he really only gave up 2 points.
How about we guard Baddely? A guy that only makes three pointers against Xavier.
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 09:45 PM
This offense continues to make my eyes bleed. So easily defensed. Just make sure you double Tyrique down low and let us just waste time passing the ball east & west around the arc. Then someone gets desperate to drive.
KabeX
03-07-2020, 09:45 PM
No foul trouble except for 2 on Naji. Need Good Naji in 2nd have. Call me Capt. Obvious. Be aggressive. Drive. Don't settle for 3's. Again, call me Capt. O.
paulxu
03-07-2020, 09:47 PM
Our self described senior (?) [last home game] has 3 times as many TO's as FG's.
bjf123
03-07-2020, 09:47 PM
No foul trouble except for 2 on Naji. Need Good Naji in 2nd have. Call me Capt. Obvious. Be aggressive. Drive. Don't settle for 3's. Again, call me Capt. O.
Thanks, Captain Obvious!
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flagship
03-07-2020, 09:50 PM
10 offensive boards are keeping us in it. 7 TO is better. Really 6 if you don’t count the “charge”. On Naji.
SM#24
03-07-2020, 09:51 PM
Our 3 “seniors” are 3-13 including 1-7 from 3 and 4-7 from FT; plus 6 TOs.
Not really a blaze of glory so far.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 09:53 PM
I don't understand how Q loses his guy everytime down the floor. He just stood there and let Baldwin take a dribble then drain a 3.
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GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 09:53 PM
Brutal start. To both halves now.
Xville
03-07-2020, 09:54 PM
I don't understand how Q loses his guy everytime down the floor. He just stood there and let Baldwin take a dribble then drain a 3.
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Because hes a garbage basketball player
Brutal start. To both halves now.
Let’s finish STRONG!!!
The BIG MO is everything right now!
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:01 PM
Better energy. Feels like we're down more than 5.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 10:03 PM
Jones needs to finish the and 1 before flexing.
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X Factor
03-07-2020, 10:04 PM
That's the best picture X could come up with for Tyrique? Just standing talking to a ref?
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:04 PM
Does this team know about our conference streak of 30+ years of .500 or better?
My vote is pro making FT’s. How about you?
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:06 PM
Also, someone might want to guard this Baldwin guy.
Is 3 seconds in the lane no longer a thing?
X Factor
03-07-2020, 10:10 PM
Honestly, does Xavier deserve a tournament bid?
kellernr
03-07-2020, 10:10 PM
Q gets dumber every week. Thank God he's gone soon
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Thanks Q, just one more stupid shot.
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:11 PM
Probably not...this is such awful basketball. Really hope this is roster construction and not steele.
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 10:11 PM
I thought Xavier would win tonight. Not looking good.
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:12 PM
This game is absurd. And we're somehow only down 9.
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:13 PM
So glad Steele continues to play q....he brings so much to his time on the court...fucking bum
Honestly, does Xavier deserve a tournament bid?
That’s a fair question. I believe they do, but they seem to be trying to prove me wrong.
I’m still very positive on the long term view.
kellernr
03-07-2020, 10:13 PM
Steele should have let Q start then immediately call a time out and sat him the rest of the game. Kid only needs 7 assists but doesn't even look to pass the damn ball. He's a horrible shooter trying to play hero ball.
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xudash
03-07-2020, 10:13 PM
I thought Xavier would win tonight. Not looking good.
I did, too. It’s looking like not having Scruggs and Goodin in the game will be our undoing.
X Factor
03-07-2020, 10:14 PM
This game is absurd. And we're somehow only down 9.
We won't get closer than 5 the rest of the way.
RoseyMuskie
03-07-2020, 10:14 PM
At what point do you blame Goodin or Steele for him shooting 6 threes? Inexcusable.
whopper
03-07-2020, 10:15 PM
this is painful, fans at game seem happy.. Need Marshall to get going..only 7 shots?
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:16 PM
Currently on the Marshall Plan.
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:17 PM
Interesting. A double euro-step.
KabeX
03-07-2020, 10:17 PM
I guess they just don't call traveling anymore. Ugh.
Xavgrad08
03-07-2020, 10:18 PM
I have had to mute this game due to Thom Brenneman.
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:20 PM
There should be a rule: no flexing if you're are behind.
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:20 PM
Hell ya now come on boys.....have made a run with q on the bench....fucking shocking
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:21 PM
Especially if your 0-3 from the "charity" stripe.
X Factor
03-07-2020, 10:21 PM
If only Jones could use his fuckin left hand
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 10:21 PM
Got a bonus 2 pts on that first missed FT but if Xavier loses the FT line is one of the big reasons why.
X Factor
03-07-2020, 10:23 PM
Tyrique never misses an opportunity to flex for the camera.
whopper
03-07-2020, 10:24 PM
just an observation but at providence contagious had 2 foul shots right before a tv time out and bricked them, same with Carter(who I expect more of). No real point but both key situations
Got a bonus 2 pts on that first missed FT but if Xavier loses the FT line is one of the big reasons why.
All part of our very clever plan, I tell you.
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:25 PM
Man, amazing shot by Tandy.
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:26 PM
Fuck ya kyky
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:26 PM
Go you Mucking Fuskies!
Blue Blooded-05
03-07-2020, 10:27 PM
4 point possession followed by a 5 point possession. Can’t recall seeing that before
Why is it when Moore goes up with a shot I just start hoping we get the rebound?
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 10:31 PM
Well that was a fast turnaround. Nothing like a 4 point followed by a 5 point possession to take the lead !!!!!!
FINISH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:32 PM
This would be quite the miraculous win.
I’m back on the positive train now. My apologies! I am a mere mortal.
Blue Blooded-05
03-07-2020, 10:32 PM
No complaints with Carter tonight
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:32 PM
Carter has had a hell of a game
X Factor
03-07-2020, 10:34 PM
Please Muskies, close this out!!!
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:38 PM
Nice, Naji! Now bring back Q to finish them! Lol
Good Naji is awesome Naji!
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:38 PM
Holy hell....that was an nba move....damn naji
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 10:39 PM
A chance to get up 5 nope missed the FT then Baldwin with the BS bank shot to cut it to 2
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 10:42 PM
Fckin Baldwin
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:43 PM
Baldwin is pretty good.
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:43 PM
Nit here we come
whopper
03-07-2020, 10:44 PM
not over but damn we need discipline now..prayers
KabeX
03-07-2020, 10:44 PM
And stupidness returns at the most inopportune time. Sign. Better beat DePaul
kellernr
03-07-2020, 10:44 PM
What the fuck is Marshall doing there? He just stopped on D and let Baldwin walk to the rim.
Pretty sure steele didn't tell the team, alright guys, we are up 4 and in the double bonus. Let's start chucking 3s instead of doing what we did to claw back and take the lead.
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Bad shots down the stretch can kill you. We just make bad decisions FAR too often.
Blue Blooded-05
03-07-2020, 10:45 PM
Back to back ill advised 3s... can’t think of a more fitting way to end the season
X Factor
03-07-2020, 10:45 PM
Dumbest team in the history of college basketball
kellernr
03-07-2020, 10:46 PM
X forgets how to rebound at the most inopportune times.
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Xville
03-07-2020, 10:46 PM
Wow carter way to wimp out
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 10:46 PM
Not getting that rebound a game killer.
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:49 PM
Naji!
Blue Blooded-05
03-07-2020, 10:49 PM
Good Naji!!!,
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 10:50 PM
Why in the mother of god why you leave him for a 3 ????????????????????????????
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:50 PM
How do you let him get that shot? Inexcusable.
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:50 PM
Shit.
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:51 PM
How is that even remotely possible he got that shot off with no hand in his face...this team is beyond fucking stupid
Blue Blooded-05
03-07-2020, 10:52 PM
Unfucking believable game by Baldwin. Dude single handedly sent us to the NIT
whopper
03-07-2020, 10:52 PM
incredible..he is incredible but I would hope length would have hindered it. Damn
GoMuskies
03-07-2020, 10:54 PM
Best beat DePaul...or these seniors may get another chance to play in Cintas.
KabeX
03-07-2020, 10:55 PM
It was there. And then another stupid defensive play and it was lost. Limping in if we get in at all. Damn.
Xville
03-07-2020, 10:55 PM
N I T....this team is the dumbest fucking division 1 basketball team I have ever seen. What a shitshow
paulxu
03-07-2020, 10:59 PM
That use to be a moving screen, and against the rules. Not anymore.
Naji can't go under it. Has to trust the back up man.
That's Baldwin's spot. He headed straight for it. Not our best defensive effort.
Caveat
03-07-2020, 10:59 PM
We’re now two years into the Steele era, and nothing feels it like it has improved.
Struggling to see how things get better.
whopper
03-07-2020, 11:00 PM
best for Butler not to call a timeout but our defensive instincts were horrible there. I don't even want to look at the box score as we probably led in most statistics except for the most important
X Factor
03-07-2020, 11:02 PM
We don't deserve to play in the NCAA tournament. Can't make FT's and lead the country in stupid decisions / turnovers.
THAT was not the finish I was hoping for.
Xville
03-07-2020, 11:07 PM
This team plays hard I'll give them that, but they are the dumbest xavier team I have ever seen play. Do they really belong in the tournament?
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 11:08 PM
Well, if that wasn't the textbook move by Coach NIT, totally taking his hard working players to a loss?
Naji works on a great play, there is a delay while he's gonna shoot a free.
Sooooo, you just let the ball come in UNCONTESTED to Butler's best player who already had 33. Let him just saunter up court UCONTESTED and let him shoot a 3 behind a screen because your players weren't instructed to stay high?
If that isn't NIT level coaching, I don't know what is.
I'm going to New York and I'm wondering why? Well done Coach.
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 11:09 PM
I feel sick that was a brutal brutal loss. I just don't understand why Marshall would go under that screen vs Baldwin. Double him and get ball out of his hands there was 3 seconds left.
KabeX
03-07-2020, 11:09 PM
Well now it's stupidly simple (see what I did there?):
Beat De Paul and we're in Dayton prob play little brother. Lose and I don't f'in care.
drudy23
03-07-2020, 11:11 PM
Well, if that wasn't the textbook move by Coach NIT, totally taking his hard working players to a loss?
Naji works on a great play, there is a delay while he's gonna shoot a free.
Sooooo, you just let the ball come in UNCONTESTED to Butler's best player who already had 33. Let him just saunter up court UCONTESTED and let him shoot a 3 behind a screen because your players weren't instructed to stay high?
If that isn't NIT level coaching, I don't know what is.
I'm going to New York and I'm wondering why? Well done Coach.
The defense played on Baldwin on the last play was unacceptable and completely stupid. Everyone in the gym knew what he was going to do, and not only do we not pick him up, we give him 15 feet to work, and then go under the screen. Complete stupidity.
What in the world were we doing? Easiest bucket of the night for him.
whopper
03-07-2020, 11:14 PM
when you are defending you think this guy can't possibly make another one and try to avoid the foul. A 3 was an all or nothing play. Hindsight is 20/20 but damn we would all like another chance at that possession. Obviously Scruggs makes a huge difference but foul shots were a big part. Both Carter and Dontarious James(v Providence) missed both shots after drawing the foul and getting a TV timeout to ice them.
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 11:14 PM
I feel sick that was a brutal brutal loss. I just don't understand why Marshall would go under that screen vs Baldwin. Double him and get ball out of his hands there was 3 seconds left.
Steele just had his guys sit back and let Baldwin saunter up the court with zero pressure. Ridiculous NIT level coaching.
Absolutely do no blame this on the players. The staff had a delay on Naji's free to set up pressure on the best player. They did zero and Steele let it happen. This is the difference between good coaches and mediocres. Good one anticipate. Mediocre ones react. And as usual, slowly.
xudash
03-07-2020, 11:17 PM
Well, if that wasn't the textbook move by Coach NIT, totally taking his hard working players to a loss?
Naji works on a great play, there is a delay while he's gonna shoot a free.
Sooooo, you just let the ball come in UNCONTESTED to Butler's best player who already had 33. Let him just saunter up court UCONTESTED and let him shoot a 3 behind a screen because your players weren't instructed to stay high?
If that isn't NIT level coaching, I don't know what is.
I'm going to New York and I'm wondering why? Well done Coach.
I have to agree with all of this.
Caveat
03-07-2020, 11:21 PM
Well, if that wasn't the textbook move by Coach NIT, totally taking his hard working players to a loss?
Naji works on a great play, there is a delay while he's gonna shoot a free.
Sooooo, you just let the ball come in UNCONTESTED to Butler's best player who already had 33. Let him just saunter up court UCONTESTED and let him shoot a 3 behind a screen because your players weren't instructed to stay high?
If that isn't NIT level coaching, I don't know what is.
I'm going to New York and I'm wondering why? Well done Coach.
I’ve seen all I care to see.
This program is being held back by bad coaching and needs to move on in the offseason.
It isn’t getting better.
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 11:21 PM
when you are defending you think this guy can't possibly make another one and try to avoid the foul. A 3 was an all or nothing play. Hindsight is 20/20 but damn we would all like another chance at that possession. Obviously Scruggs makes a huge difference but foul shots were a big part. Both Carter and Dontarious James(v Providence) missed both shots after drawing the foul and getting a TV timeout to ice them.
Prime coaches don't need hindsight. They have forsight. They anticipate. Steele NEVER anticipates, and now he lies!
He actually just said on the postgame, when asked by Byron about what they were trying to do on the last play, Steele says, "Well, we were trying to get the ball out of his hands". REALLY??? You let him take the ball UNCONTESTED 68 feet and step into a shot behind a screen.
Most ridiculous and disingenuous answer I've ever heard. Nice job, Coach NIT.
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 11:22 PM
when you are defending you think this guy can't possibly make another one and try to avoid the foul. A 3 was an all or nothing play. Hindsight is 20/20 but damn we would all like another chance at that possession. Obviously Scruggs makes a huge difference but foul shots were a big part. Both Carter and Dontarious James(v Providence) missed both shots after drawing the foul and getting a TV timeout to ice them.
Prime coaches don't need hindsight. They have forsight. They anticipate. Steele NEVER anticipates, and now he lies!
He actually just said on the postgame, when asked by Byron about what they were trying to do on the last play, Steele says, "Well, we were trying to get the ball out of his hands". REALLY??? You let him take the ball UNCONTESTED 68 feet and step into a shot behind a screen.
Most ridiculous and disingenuous answer I've ever heard. Nice job, Coach NIT.
XUBob
03-07-2020, 11:24 PM
MOR, I’m slowly moving to your camp. You let anyone else take that shot, even if they beat you on a three. Players should have know that pre-game. I like Steele I think he knows the game but I’m starting to question the hire. Don’t want to turn into DePaul but an incorrect hire can do that. Remember this team will have (probably) noPaul, no Naji. Could turn ugly. Hope not but only time will tell.
CP05XU08CU13
03-07-2020, 11:24 PM
Well, if that wasn't the textbook move by Coach NIT, totally taking his hard working players to a loss?
Naji works on a great play, there is a delay while he's gonna shoot a free.
Sooooo, you just let the ball come in UNCONTESTED to Butler's best player who already had 33. Let him just saunter up court UCONTESTED and let him shoot a 3 behind a screen because your players weren't instructed to stay high?
If that isn't NIT level coaching, I don't know what is.
I'm going to New York and I'm wondering why? Well done Coach.
Totally agree. Nice scouting report Steele! Allowing Baldwin to put up 36 at home is unacceptable. Another option would have been to foul Baldwin and make him shoot free throws. That way Xavier could have extended the game or gone into OT possibly. It doesn’t help that X started the game super cold as well. Not sure what the hell these guys are doing in practice, but both the offense and defense were lackluster again. Second year in a row that Xavier has failed to win 20 games during the regular season. Absolutely pathetic. I cannot find the “Fire Travis” thread on this website, but I have discussed my lack of enthusiasm for Steele there as well. I would be shocked if Xavier gets in the tournament with an 8-10 conference record. Need at least 2 wins in New York to get in at this point. One more year of this crap, and Travis is gone or should be in my opinion.
JEHARDI
03-07-2020, 11:27 PM
Steele just had his guys sit back and let Baldwin saunter up the court with zero pressure. Ridiculous NIT level coaching.
Absolutely do no blame this on the players. The staff had a delay on Naji's free to set up pressure on the best player. They did zero and Steele let it happen. This is the difference between good coaches and mediocres. Good one anticipate. Mediocre ones react. And as usual, slowly.
Not putting pressure on Baldwin is inexcusable but it never should have come down to the last play. FT’s abysmal again, two wasted possessions late with horrible 3’s by Marshall and Moore. Players win games and they have not been good enough all year to beat good teams,
AviatorX
03-07-2020, 11:31 PM
At least you guys are consistent.
Obviously the strategy was not to go under the ball screen, as Steele confirmed in postgame. Baldwin played an insane game, and especially the last 3 jumpers he made. Sometimes you get beat.
Also, it's not an excuse, but Xavier's second best play didn't play tonight or Wednesday. This team will beat DePaul and make the tournament. And before everyone jumps on me, yes, I think this season and the Steele era have been underwhelming to this point.
Xavier
03-07-2020, 11:35 PM
Yeah, I doubt Steele said to go under the ball screen. How could anyone think that’s what coach wanted? Sheesh
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 11:35 PM
Not putting pressure on Baldwin is inexcusable but it never should have come down to the last play. FT’s abysmal again, two wasted possessions late with horrible 3’s by Marshall and Moore. Players win games and they have been good enough all year to beat good teams,
You can use that excuse in any game, but games with even teams DO come down to the last possession and Good Coaches anticipate and have an idea. Steele just sits back and takes it with no clue. That gets you beat.
I’ll guarantee you that the Prime coaches would have had somebody hounding Baldwin the whole way down the floor. We didn’t. Loss
drudy23
03-07-2020, 11:36 PM
This team is not in a position to make the tourney with a win over DePaul. They're just not.
xudash
03-07-2020, 11:37 PM
Well, if that wasn't the textbook move by Coach NIT, totally taking his hard working players to a loss?
Naji works on a great play, there is a delay while he's gonna shoot a free.
Sooooo, you just let the ball come in UNCONTESTED to Butler's best player who already had 33. Let him just saunter up court UCONTESTED and let him shoot a 3 behind a screen because your players weren't instructed to stay high?
If that isn't NIT level coaching, I don't know what is.
I'm going to New York and I'm wondering why? Well done Coach.
I have to agree with all of this.
drudy23
03-07-2020, 11:37 PM
The amount of room afforded to Baldwin to operate was unreal.
It should have never happened. There's no excuse for it.
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 11:39 PM
At least you guys are consistent.
Obviously the strategy was not to go under the ball screen, as Steele confirmed in postgame. Baldwin played an insane game, and especially the last 3 jumpers he made. Sometimes you get beat.
Also, it's not an excuse, but Xavier's second best play didn't play tonight or Wednesday. This team will beat DePaul and make the tournament. And before everyone jumps on me, yes, I think this season and the Steele era have been underwhelming to this point.
Steele said on the postgame that they were trying to get the ball out of Baldwin’s hands.
Uh where and when on that last play? And why were guys so deep?
It’s coaching ....like I’ve been saying all year. Bad schematics, bad anticipation and slow reaction.
Just a horrible job with this team. Horrific. And bad answers too.
X Factor
03-07-2020, 11:41 PM
At least you guys are consistent.
Obviously the strategy was not to go under the ball screen, as Steele confirmed in postgame. Baldwin played an insane game, and especially the last 3 jumpers he made. Sometimes you get beat.
Also, it's not an excuse, but Xavier's second best play didn't play tonight or Wednesday. This team will beat DePaul and make the tournament. And before everyone jumps on me, yes, I think this season and the Steele era have been underwhelming to this point.
This team is 318th in the COUNTRY in FT shooting %, 250th in TO %, and 265th in 3pt %.
Backyard Champ
03-07-2020, 11:41 PM
This team is not in a position to make the tourney with a win over DePaul. They're just not.
Strongly disagree. Though guess it depends on bid stealers. We have zero bad losses. One of the top SOS. Compared to other bubble teams, we look pretty good. As they say every year: the bubble sucks.
Although I’d agree DePaul is must win game. We lose it’s over. We win, I think we are comfortably in. Maybe play in game, but that would depend on other bubble teams.
JEHARDI
03-07-2020, 11:42 PM
You can use that excuse in any game, but games with even teams DO come down to the last possession and Good Coaches anticipate and have an idea. Steele just sits back and takes it with no clue. That gets you beat.
I’ll guarantee you that the Prime coaches would have had somebody hounding Baldwin the whole way down the floor. We didn’t. Loss
You are not going to beat good teams hitting 60% of your FT’s and throwing away possessions late in a game with idiotic shot selection.
AviatorX
03-07-2020, 11:46 PM
This team is 318th in the COUNTRY in FT shooting %, 250th in TO %, and 265th in 3pt %.
Umm, ok, and? This is a defense first 10/11 seed. They aren't that good. That's been pretty obvious for 80% of the season.
Backyard Champ
03-07-2020, 11:48 PM
This team is 318th in the COUNTRY in FT shooting %, 250th in TO %, and 265th in 3pt %.
We have all watched the team. They don’t have a good basketball IQ. Bad 3shooting and FT shooting. Dumb mistakes.
We are 19-13 with one of the most difficult schedules in the country. We’ve lost 7 games by 6pts or less. Frankly, with a team that shoots so poorly, that’s pretty impressive coaching,
AviatorX
03-07-2020, 11:48 PM
Steele said on the postgame that they were trying to get the ball out of Baldwin’s hands.
Uh where and when on that last play? And why were guys so deep?
It’s coaching ....like I’ve been saying all year. Bad schematics, bad anticipation and slow reaction.
Just a horrible job with this team. Horrific. And bad answers too.
Do you want Steele back next season? If not, who do you like?
drudy23
03-07-2020, 11:50 PM
He's not getting fired. Stop.
Xavier
03-07-2020, 11:55 PM
He won’t get fired. But if Beilein would come I’d jump on that in a second
Caveat
03-07-2020, 11:56 PM
He's not getting fired. Stop.
Legit Q — what’s the argument for keeping him?
The program isn’t improving. They barely scraped a .500 record in BE play last year, didn’t even hit that number this year. They look likely to miss the tournament for another year.
AviatorX
03-08-2020, 12:00 AM
Legit Q — what’s the argument for keeping him?
The program isn’t improving. They barely scraped a .500 record in BE play last year, didn’t even hit that number this year. They look likely to miss the tournament for another year.
I asked this earlier in the season and no one delivered - who is the last high major coach to be fired for performance after 2 seasons? IMO, you can't count Billy Gillispie because he had some off the court problems, but even if you want to, that's Kentucky. This is Xavier.
XUBison
03-08-2020, 12:02 AM
All I know is, we are going to be scary bad next season. I can’t even come up with a real starting five.
D-West & PO-Z
03-08-2020, 12:08 AM
BRUTAL.
That is all, that's the post.
AviatorX
03-08-2020, 12:11 AM
All I know is, we are going to be scary bad next season. I can’t even come up with a real starting five.
I 1000% agree with this. I am baffled at the folks who are ready to move on from Naji/Scruggs/Jones etc. This team will not be good next season unless someone we don't expect ends up leaving and getting drafted in the first round in 2022.
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 12:23 AM
I 1000% agree with this. I am baffled at the folks who are ready to move on from Naji/Scruggs/Jones etc. This team will not be good next season unless someone we don't expect ends up leaving and getting drafted in the first round in 2022.
Steele is running a mickey mouse program right now. Gonzaga goes from one seed to final four to final game to still competing at a very high level. X went from 1 seed to miss the tournament to maybe miss the tournament.
In the end I think X is in right now. The stats are just better than Wichita, Northern Iowa, UC, Rhode Island and others. However, underachieve doesn't begin to describe this season and that is on Steele
Xavier
03-08-2020, 12:25 AM
Gonzaga is a better program than X. Few staying helps that continuity...not so easy changing coaches every 7-8 years.
D-West & PO-Z
03-08-2020, 12:26 AM
Steele said on the postgame that they were trying to get the ball out of Baldwin’s hands.
Uh where and when on that last play? And why were guys so deep?
It’s coaching ....like I’ve been saying all year. Bad schematics, bad anticipation and slow reaction.
Just a horrible job with this team. Horrific. And bad answers too.
Yeah when he said that I was like how the hell were they trying to keep it from Baldwin? Like press up some. UGh. It was not good, terrible ending.
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 12:29 AM
Gonzaga is a better program than X. Few staying helps that continuity...not so easy changing coaches every 7-8 years.
I know this but point being you can't take over a program who was a one seed and possibly miss two years in a row. I've never been on that train, but if that happens it is understandably fireable.
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 12:31 AM
Baldwin was untouched. Steele is outright lying with that quote. Then he puts in James who has zero minutes who promptly throws it right to a Butler player. Steele just isn't ready for this level of BB
AviatorX
03-08-2020, 12:33 AM
Steele is running a mickey mouse program right now. Gonzaga goes from one seed to final four to final game to still competing at a very high level. X went from 1 seed to miss the tournament to maybe miss the tournament.
In the end I think X is in right now. The stats are just better than Wichita, Northern Iowa, UC, Rhode Island and others. However, underachieve doesn't begin to describe this season and that is on Steele
Did I miss a coaching change at Gonzaga? What does this comparison have to do with anything? Kansas is also still good. Kentucky too.
Masterofreality
03-08-2020, 12:36 AM
I just can’t stop being pissed at that end game tonight and the lack of preparation for that eventuality by this staff.
Every team I’ve been around has some end of game prep in practice for exactly what we had tonight. Slim lead, few seconds, facing a star player who could beat you with one shot. Apparently this team does not. There should have been an automatic call for a defensive play immediately that would have made it more difficult for Baldwin, not just sitting back and taking what he was dishing. WTF do they practice, but I’ve asked that before. There is terrible prep from this staff that costs them games. Hell, we got lucky St. John’s didn’t tie us with a 3 because we didn’t foul.
Consider..we had 5 guys on the court, no one spread in the backcourt where 2 of Butler’s players were- the inbounder & Baldwin. Are you telling me that throwing one or two guys to harass the inbound wasn’t something to be done while your other 3 guys covered their other 3 in the front court?
We can argue about lousy schemes all day, but this coaching deficiency showed up in spades in the last 7 seconds tonight. Period.
bjf123
03-08-2020, 12:41 AM
In the end I think X is in right now. The stats are just better than Wichita, Northern Iowa, UC, Rhode Island and others. However, underachieve doesn't begin to describe this season and that is on Steele
Baldwin was untouched. Steele is outright lying with that quote. Then he puts in James who has zero minutes who promptly throws it right to a Butler player. Steele just isn't ready for this level of BB
I wish I shared your optimism. Beat DePaul and win one more and I think we’re in. Lose to DePaul and we’re out. Beat them and lose the next and we’re bubble watching on Selection Sunday.
I saw where Steele said Naji was supposed to go over the top of the screen to stay on Baldwin, but he went under, leaving him open to take the shot.
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I thought for sure Steele would have gone full court press.. aggressively try to steal the ball... you either cause a TO that ends the game or foul and at worst foul them and allow them a chance to tie and force overtime.
But to allow them to easily come down the court and give Baldwin a good look. WTF coach.
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 12:45 AM
Did I miss a coaching change at Gonzaga? What does this comparison have to do with anything? Kansas is also still good. Kentucky too.
I didn't know a coaching change at X meant regression 2 years in a row. We don't have to be Kansas, however the expectation of the program is not what we have gotten. Name me the last time X missed two straight years. You can't without looking it up cause that is not the expectation. Steele is doing something wrong that does not mesh with Xavier culture.
Quite frankly Goodin and Scruggs regression is well noted. Is the problem the players or the coach? I still think X is in, but that doesn't change the fact that multiple players are regressing under his leadership. We bitch about Steele's decisions in games and maybe players recognize it and they are just not responding to him anymore.
Maybe that is why Naji who couldn't dribble his way out of a paper bag is calling this his last home game. Maybe that is why Goodin is worse now than he was as a freshman. Maybe that is why X is turning the ball over at a clip that is unheard of in program history. I am no expert but at some point we have to point the finger at the head honcho right?
Masterofreality
03-08-2020, 12:47 AM
I wish I shared your optimism. Beat DePaul and win one more and I think we’re in. Lose to DePaul and we’re out. Beat them and lose the next and we’re bubble watching on Selection Sunday.
I saw where Steele said Naji was supposed to go over the top of the screen to stay on Baldwin, but he went under, leaving him open to take the shot.
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Why was Baldwin allowed to saunter up the court for 68 feet unguarded in 5 seconds? Forget the screen. Why wasn’t Naji in the damn backcourt or at midcourt? Because the team wasn’t instructed and pregame prepared for an endgame where it would be evident that an assassin like Kamar Baldwin would have the ball. The screen statement is a red herring that blames the player and takes the responsibility off the coach, who was clueless. It’s total BS
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 12:51 AM
I wish I shared your optimism. Beat DePaul and win one more and I think we’re in. Lose to DePaul and we’re out. Beat them and lose the next and we’re bubble watching on Selection Sunday.
I saw where Steele said Naji was supposed to go over the top of the screen to stay on Baldwin, but he went under, leaving him open to take the shot.
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So let us analyze this... Steele said Naji was supposed to go over top. So that means one of two things. Either it means Naji gave Steele the middle finger and said I'm not doing that, or it means Naji was unprepared for that situation and just naturally went under the screen. Which do you think is the most probable? I'm sorry but to me it is Steele. He is in over his head. He needed to get his feet wet at James.Madison or whoever offered him a couple years ago
AviatorX
03-08-2020, 12:53 AM
I didn't know a coaching change at X meant regression 2 years in a row. We don't have to be Kansas, however the expectation of the program is not what we have gotten. Name me the last time X missed two straight years. You can't without looking it up cause that is not the expectation. Steele is doing something wrong that does not mesh with Xavier culture.
Quite frankly Goodin and Scruggs regression is well noted. Is the problem the players or the coach? I still think X is in, but that doesn't change the fact that multiple players are regressing under his leadership. We bitch about Steele's decisions in games and maybe players recognize it and they are just not responding to him anymore.
Maybe that is why Naji who couldn't dribble his way out of a paper bag is calling this his last home game. Maybe that is why Goodin is worse now than he was as a freshman. Maybe that is why X is turning the ball over at a clip that is unheard of in program history. I am no expert but at some point we have to point the finger at the head honcho right?
Scruggs regression is well noted? What are you talking about?
A coaching change and losing what Xavier lost after 2018 will mean regression for a period of time anywhere that doesn't load up with McDonald's All Americans.
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 12:53 AM
And Steele deflecting blame on to his players is only going to alienate him more to them.
bjf123
03-08-2020, 12:57 AM
Just telling you what he said. I also thought they should have been pressing to make them take more time getting up court and disrupting any flow.
Assuming Naji and Paul are both gone, I think we’re looking at the very real possibility of missing the tourney three years in a row, should we miss this year. We’ll be losing our top 3 scoring threats next year and likely be starting 2 freshmen and 2 sophomores, unless we land a stud grad transfer. This could get ugly.
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stammina0721
03-08-2020, 12:58 AM
Scruggs regression is well noted? What are you talking about?
A coaching change and losing what Xavier lost after 2018 will mean regression for a period of time anywhere that doesn't load up with McDonald's All Americans.
Not true. Once again let me ask you what Xavier team has missed two straight tournaments?
Scruggs has struggled scoring and his overall stats are lower than last year. Not fully his fault cause he has been forced to paly the one when he should be allowed to thrive at the 2. However Goodin's exponential regression won't allow that and I feel a lot of that regression is Goodin not respecting Steele, and quite frankly I'm starting to see Goodin's point
xuwillie
03-08-2020, 01:02 AM
This team had four 4 star upperclassmen, 2 four star freshmen and a transfer from Ohio. Normally that would lead to a sweet 16 run.
AviatorX
03-08-2020, 01:04 AM
Not true. Once again let me ask you what Xavier team has missed two straight tournaments?
Scruggs has struggled scoring and his overall stats are lower than last year. Not fully his fault cause he has been forced to paly the one when he should be allowed to thrive at the 2. However Goodin's exponential regression won't allow that and I feel a lot of that regression is Goodin not respecting Steele, and quite frankly I'm starting to see Goodin's point
Xavier hasn't missed the tournament this year as far as I know, but if they do, are we really going to give Sean Miller a ton of credit for winning a horrendous Atlantic 10 with home court advantage and landing a 14 seed? The two straight tournaments thing is a huge oversimplification for a ton of reasons.
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 01:05 AM
This team had four 4 star upperclassmen, 2 four star freshmen and a transfer from Ohio. Normally that would lead to a sweet 16 run.
The PG was good enough to be PG for a one seed and Big East Champion but wasn't good enough to start this year and became a flake. I really believe that he just saw through Steele's BS and just wouldn't play for him. Eyes are now wide open I'm just sorry it took this long. Travis Steele can not coach at this level
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 01:07 AM
Xavier hasn't missed the tournament this year as far as I know, but if they do, are we really going to give Sean Miller a ton of credit for winning a horrendous Atlantic 10 with home court advantage and landing a 14 seed? The two straight tournaments thing is a huge oversimplification for a ton of reasons.
While I would normally give you that I will say Steele is no Sean Miller and Steele couldn't motivate his guys to win 4 in 4 like that team did. Steele has talent he shit the bed coaching. That is undeniable
UCGRAD4X
03-08-2020, 03:01 AM
Just telling you what he said. I also thought they should have been pressing to make them take more time getting up court and disrupting any flow.
Assuming Naji and Paul are both gone, I think we’re looking at the very real possibility of missing the tourney three years in a row, should we miss this year. We’ll be losing our top 3 scoring threats next year and likely be starting 2 freshmen and 2 sophomores, unless we land a stud grad transfer. This could get ugly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If we miss two years in a row (IF) then how is losing them any kind of huge setback. Who.s to say they will not crash like Q or improve like Tyrique.
UCGRAD4X
03-08-2020, 03:06 AM
So disgusted I could spit. In fact, I think I will.
(pause to spit)
Didn't help. Still pretty damn disgusted.
Muskie
03-08-2020, 01:35 PM
Didn’t Kamar Baldwin miss critical FTs in the Big East Tourney as a Freshman against X? Helluva payback last night.
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scoscox
03-08-2020, 01:42 PM
quentin doesn't respect steele, so he's bricking all his threes? can we just collectively accept at some point that he's not a good player? let's all please accept reality after it hits us in the face over and over again
X-band '01
03-08-2020, 01:48 PM
Didn’t Kamar Baldwin miss critical FTs in the Big East Tourney as a Freshman against X? Helluva payback last night.
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He also crashed XavierHoops after last night.
OTRMUSKIE
03-08-2020, 01:49 PM
The guy was incredible last night. Tip your hat to the kid.
OTRMUSKIE
03-08-2020, 01:58 PM
Let me just say this and maybe help put this situation into perspective. I think it’s funny and I’m guilty of this too, how we react to wins and losses. I get it that’s it fun and entertaining. Last night after I got into a verbal fight with that dbag Butler fan I stopped and said” It just a game played by kids, why am
I so upset” These kids are tying to win, it’s fine for us to be disappointed but the way I act and the way most of us act after a loss really is embarrassing. It is what it is and I will continue to act like a baby after every loss. I hate sports.
D-West & PO-Z
03-08-2020, 02:03 PM
Let me just say this and maybe help put this situation into perspective. I think it’s funny and I’m guilty of this too, how we react to wins and losses. I get it that’s it fun and entertaining. Last night after I got into a verbal fight with that dbag Butler fan I stopped and said” It just a game played by kids, why am
I so upset” These kids are tying to win, it’s fine for us to be disappointed but the way I act and the way most of us act after a loss really is embarrassing. It is what it is and I will continue to act like a baby after every loss. I hate sports.
Well said. I hate how I can let sports control my emotions so much at times. The highs are so great and it is awesome being a sports fan then but the lows man no good. Gotta keep things in perspective. Doesnt mean we cant come on here and debate and complain and wish for different results, in a way that is fun too. Just really does seem silly sometimes.
stammina0721
03-08-2020, 02:06 PM
quentin doesn't respect steele, so he's bricking all his threes? can we just collectively accept at some point that he's not a good player? let's all please accept reality after it hits us in the face over and over again
He doesn't respect Steele so he is playing selfish with an F this dude attitude. Have you ever seen a regression of a player to this magnitude before from freshman to senior year?
paulxu
03-08-2020, 02:08 PM
Over 200 teams in the country shoot 70% at the free throw line. We shoot 65%.
If we shoot 70%, we don't lose to Butler last night.
If we shoot 70%, instead of 44%, we don't lose to Marquette at home.
Those are home loses. Win those and we aren't having all this crap about whatever. We should be able to shoot 70% in our own building.
(and I do agree Baldwin should have been at least trapped at half-court, if not before. Let someone else get us if they can. As for Naji, he was probably thinking Baldwin was going to drive to tie. Should have still stayed in front and trusted Tyrique or whoever to pick him up if he got by.)
XUBob
03-08-2020, 02:20 PM
OTR,
I’m with you to me it is almost like an addiction, I wish I didn’t let the outcome of games played by young men bother me that much. While not in the fire Steele camp yet there is much work to be done. I completely disagree with the kids aren’t playing for him theory, this team fights and plays hard, just not smart. Being at several practices end game situations are covered, still baffled why no ball pressure last night though. Listen to him, he knows the game, can recruit but has room for growth. I thought he did a much better job of using timeouts to quell runs in the second half of this season. This bunch still takes too many threes. With a DePaul win I think we are in the tournament, if not, and we are having this conversation this time next year all bets are off.
AviatorX
03-08-2020, 02:23 PM
Over 200 teams in the country shoot 70% at the free throw line. We shoot 65%.
If we shoot 70%, we don't lose to Butler last night.
If we shoot 70%, instead of 44%, we don't lose to Marquette at home.
Those are home loses. Win those and we aren't having all this crap about whatever. We should be able to shoot 70% in our own building.
(and I do agree Baldwin should have been at least trapped at half-court, if not before. Let someone else get us if they can. As for Naji, he was probably thinking Baldwin was going to drive to tie. Should have still stayed in front and trusted Tyrique or whoever to pick him up if he got by.)
Tyrique botched the coverage just as much if not more than Naji. Look at where he was when the shot went up.
SM#24
03-08-2020, 02:41 PM
Tyrique should have hedged and Naji shouldn't have gone under. Not sure why we weren't in an automatic switch
GIMMFD
03-08-2020, 02:48 PM
Well said. I hate how I can let sports control my emotions so much at times. The highs are so great and it is awesome being a sports fan then but the lows man no good. Gotta keep things in perspective. Doesnt mean we cant come on here and debate and complain and wish for different results, in a way that is fun too. Just really does seem silly sometimes.
It's kind of the allure of being a sports fan though right? It's so irrational to let the outcome of something that's supposed to be entertainment frustrate the living hell out of you, but you just can't help it. It just happens. Then when you hear the "it's just a game" comment it gets even worse. I do agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and to debate, and talk about what's going on. I think that's part of the fun of being a fan is having open dialogue with other fans in a respectful manner. There's a certain bond with sports amongst fans, just think of how many times someone will stop you with a shirt/jersey something on, and be either a banter for a rival, or a common fan. It's kind of common ground for us.
OTR,
I’m with you to me it is almost like an addiction, I wish I didn’t let the outcome of games played by young men bother me that much. While not in the fire Steele camp yet there is much work to be done. I completely disagree with the kids aren’t playing for him theory, this team fights and plays hard, just not smart. Being at several practices end game situations are covered, still baffled why no ball pressure last night though. Listen to him, he knows the game, can recruit but has room for growth. I thought he did a much better job of using timeouts to quell runs in the second half of this season. This bunch still takes too many threes. With a DePaul win I think we are in the tournament, if not, and we are having this conversation this time next year all bets are off.
I'm with you there, I also don't believe that they aren't playing for Steele. It's been referenced in many game threads by numerous people that this team does fight until the very end, I just think unfortunately the reality is we have some deficiencies on this roster. A first time head coach will have his lumps as you said, and yes they take way too many threes. I actually don't think next year should be a litmus test however, since we are going to be missing a lot of guys, even with a solid recruiting class coming in, this team is going to be young next year, and are going to have to grow by fire. I think year 4 would be the breaking point for me, that's enough time to get a roster completely of guys you want, I like to see growth over the course of the season, I don't think we grew much, but we still played decently well down the stretch to get us in the tournament picture. I hope like hell we beat DePaul though.
whopper
03-08-2020, 03:29 PM
We are a very mature board with nobody mentioning the obvious moving screen set by Nze which prevented Naj from getting over the screen, and when he tried to go behind, ran him over and knocked him down..it was like a double screen or a pulling guard in football. Obviously not reviewable and not mentioned last night but still here it is. Lets beat DePaul (Paul Reed not there yesterday) and see if we can beat Villanova (our obvious nemesis and after they beat G-Town yesterday being down 4 with a minute they reminded me of 5 Tom Brady's). I like Sean McDermott (affinity for US born white hustlers with skill) and was always annoyed that Welage or Carter never seemed to be as effective. So I get a game where Carter has 17 and McDermott 3 and THIS happens. Damn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYuZUSMymQ
UCGRAD4X
03-08-2020, 04:14 PM
We are a very mature board with nobody mentioning the obvious moving screen set by Nze which prevented Naj from getting over the screen, and when he tried to go behind, ran him over and knocked him down..it was like a double screen or a pulling guard in football. Obviously not reviewable and not mentioned last night but still here it is. Lets beat DePaul (Paul Reed not there yesterday) and see if we can beat Villanova (our obvious nemesis and after they beat G-Town yesterday being down 4 with a minute they reminded me of 5 Tom Brady's). I like Sean McDermott (affinity for US born white hustlers with skill) and was always annoyed that Welage or Carter never seemed to be as effective. So I get a game where Carter has 17 and McDermott 3 and THIS happens. Damn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYuZUSMymQ
I was up out of my chair screaming at the TV when I watched the recording @ midnight. I thought it was pretty obvious. Like you said, can't be reviewed, not worth bitching about. Got screwed against Buthole again. What else is new. Move on.
SM#24
03-08-2020, 05:20 PM
We are a very mature board with nobody mentioning the obvious moving screen set by Nze which prevented Naj from getting over the screen, and when he tried to go behind, ran him over and knocked him down..it was like a double screen or a pulling guard in football. Obviously not reviewable and not mentioned last night but still here it is. Lets beat DePaul (Paul Reed not there yesterday) and see if we can beat Villanova (our obvious nemesis and after they beat G-Town yesterday being down 4 with a minute they reminded me of 5 Tom Brady's). I like Sean McDermott (affinity for US born white hustlers with skill) and was always annoyed that Welage or Carter never seemed to be as effective. So I get a game where Carter has 17 and McDermott 3 and THIS happens. Damn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYuZUSMymQ
The more I watch this, the more I'm wondering what the hell Tyrique is doing. Yes, a moving screen, but very few refs will call that in that situation (only the good refs that actually have a full set of balls). Tyrique actually retreats instead of stepping up. Another WTF moment in a season full of them.
X Factor
03-08-2020, 05:35 PM
Honestly, our defense on Baldwin was awful. Yes, he made some tough shots, but we let him take 25 shots. His previous three games before last night, he scored 7, 9, and 12 points, and Xavier let him go off for 36.
It's not like he's Markus Howard or Trae Young.
bjf123
03-08-2020, 05:39 PM
If we miss two years in a row (IF) then how is losing them any kind of huge setback. Who.s to say they will not crash like Q or improve like Tyrique.
While I would hope they improve like Tyrique, even if they hold steady, that’s about 30 points per game in offense. Like I said, without them, I think the starting lineup becomes Tandy, Fremantle, Carter, and two freshman, or a freshman and a grad transfer. That’s doesn’t fill me with loads of confidence about making the NCAA tournament next year.
Of course, part of this is just frustration with the loss last night.
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D-West & PO-Z
03-08-2020, 05:46 PM
Tyrique should have hedged and Naji shouldn't have gone under. Not sure why we weren't in an automatic switch
Ha true, we switch every other time in the game giving the other team such enormous advantages (usually one their guards on Jones) but when a switch would have made all the sense in the world we decide not to.
AviatorX
03-08-2020, 06:15 PM
Ha true, we switch every other time in the game giving the other team such enormous advantages (usually one their guards on Jones) but when a switch would have made all the sense in the world we decide not to.
Eh, I mean they botched the ball screen coverage to the max last night in the last minute, but the switching defense has produced a really really good defensive team on the season. Considering some of the basketball IQ on display on the other end, it’s actually kind of amazing the team is as connected as they are defensively to be one of the best defensive teams Xavier has had.
xavierj
03-08-2020, 06:23 PM
While I would hope they improve like Tyrique, even if they hold steady, that’s about 30 points per game in offense. Like I said, without them, I think the starting lineup becomes Tandy, Fremantle, Carter, and two freshman, or a freshman and a grad transfer. That’s doesn’t fill me with loads of confidence about making the NCAA tournament next year.
Of course, part of this is just frustration with the loss last night.
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Odom will start from day 1. He’s Steele’s guy. I think Scruggs comes back and has a monster year. Naji is a great individual player but I really believe he is what actually hurts this team. He is too ball dominant and I think he intimidates this team. I know that sounds weird but something is off and I think it’s him. This team just doesn’t seem to flow like a team. Naji was strange last night. Like he didn’t seem interested half the game. That coupled with his weird post that it was his last Xavier home game (might not be), leads me to believe him and Travis don’t see eye to eye.
scoscox
03-08-2020, 06:43 PM
Odom will start from day 1. He’s Steele’s guy. I think Scruggs comes back and has a monster year. Naji is a great individual player but I really believe he is what actually hurts this team. He is too ball dominant and I think he intimidates this team. I know that sounds weird but something is off and I think it’s him. This team just doesn’t seem to flow like a team. Naji was strange last night. Like he didn’t seem interested half the game. That coupled with his weird post that it was his last Xavier home game (might not be), leads me to believe him and Travis don’t see eye to eye.
If scruggs comes back, I don't think it's a guarantee odom starts over tandy. kyky was all-freshman team and has experience in the system. if scruggs leaves obviously he'd start by default
drudy23
03-08-2020, 06:48 PM
There's no reason KyKy, Scruggs, and Odom can't play at the same time.
And the moving screen becomes a moot point if Baldwin wasn't given half the court to operate at his leisure.
xavierj
03-08-2020, 06:54 PM
If scruggs comes back, I don't think it's a guarantee odom starts over tandy. kyky was all-freshman team and has experience in the system. if scruggs leaves obviously he'd start by default
Odom will play the 1, Kyky will play the 2, Scruggs the 3, Free the 4 and probably Miles the 5.
noteggs
03-08-2020, 07:34 PM
Odom will play the 1, Kyky will play the 2, Scruggs the 3, Free the 4 and probably Miles the 5.
Are you talking starters? No Carter? Know he a lot of downs this year, but think he’s catching up to high major play.
scoscox
03-08-2020, 07:38 PM
Odom will play the 1, Kyky will play the 2, Scruggs the 3, Free the 4 and probably Miles the 5.
Well Carter will be a starter and I'll be shocked if Miles is a day 1 starter as well. there are a number of possibilities. we will be losing naji, so the biggest opportunity for playing time will be at the 3, which means CJ Wilcher and Colby Jones have the clearest path to minutes. Dwon could start in a 3 guard lineup i suppose, but I don't think it's a sure thing by any means
xavierj
03-08-2020, 07:49 PM
Well Carter will be a starter and I'll be shocked if Miles is a day 1 starter as well. there are a number of possibilities. we will be losing naji, so the biggest opportunity for playing time will be at the 3, which means CJ Wilcher and Colby Jones have the clearest path to minutes. Dwon could start in a 3 guard lineup i suppose, but I don't think it's a sure thing by any means
Yes I forgot Carter. I can see Carter at the 4 Free at the 5. Dwon will start. Travis didn’t spend some much time on him for no reason. I am sure he told him as much. Almost like his highest priority when he got the job was to get him.
bjf123
03-08-2020, 08:15 PM
Any chance Dontarius plays the 3? He’ll be a junior, albeit with limited playing time. That’s assuming he doesn’t transfer.
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scoscox
03-08-2020, 08:26 PM
Any chance Dontarius plays the 3? He’ll be a junior, albeit with limited playing time. That’s assuming he doesn’t transfer.
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definitely a chance and i'm sure his minutes will be going up, but of all the starting positions, that will be the most vulnerable
scoscox
03-08-2020, 08:29 PM
Yes I forgot Carter. I can see Carter at the 4 Free at the 5. Dwon will start. Travis didn’t spend some much time on him for no reason. I am sure he told him as much. Almost like his highest priority when he got the job was to get him.
i was under the impression jonas hayes was his primary recruiter and strongest relationship. i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just not as confident that he's a lock as a day 1 starter. travis says all the time that "playing time is earned"
Masterofreality
03-08-2020, 10:56 PM
Eh, I mean they botched the ball screen coverage to the max last night in the last minute, but the switching defense has produced a really really good defensive team on the season. Considering some of the basketball IQ on display on the other end, it’s actually kind of amazing the team is as connected as they are defensively to be one of the best defensive teams Xavier has had.
You can't be 'stupid" on one side and not the other. The last minute botch was all on Steele because he screwed up in what should have been done and thereby let Baldwin saunter up unimpeded.
As to the 'IQ on one side and not the other, again, you can't be dumb one way and not the other. Doesn't work that way. The defensive scheme laid out for this team is good and solid. The offense scheme, abjectly sucks, is slow and easily defensed leaving our players vulnerable and left almost to their own devices. Steele had better go back and learn a motion offense like Miller used to run or other quick ball movement schemes where the ball doesn't get dribbled to death or stuck. This offensive disgrace this year makes my eyes bleed and has made this team the least fun to watch in my lifetime.
Again, I'll defend the players on this hill as I've done all season.
GIMMFD
03-09-2020, 02:06 AM
i was under the impression jonas hayes was his primary recruiter and strongest relationship. i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just not as confident that he's a lock as a day 1 starter. travis says all the time that "playing time is earned"
I'm pretty sure this is correct, because Hayes has the Georgia area in recruiting, and obviously Odom is from Georgia, even on 247 it has Hayes as the primary recruiter. I do believe Steele prioritized Odom, but Hayes' has the strongest relationship and got it done.
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