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Xuperman
02-20-2020, 07:05 AM
Less than 3 weeks now and the rumble at MSG begins. Working with the most likely win total for X at 9, I see only 1 fairly strong outcome that would avoid Wednesday.....finishing tied with PC at 9-9.
Butler blew an excellent opportunity last night to make the season finale at Cintas irrelevant in the seeding process. That said, it now looks like a 9-8 record for them when they hit town. If we sit a 8-9 and WIN, would X get the tiebreaker based on the Hall win? Obviously we lose a tiebreaker with MU but they will probably get to 10 anyway.
I guess it all comes down to that magic number NINE and if we do get DePaul on Wednesday, it will be just fine as 9 BE wins get us in the Big Dance.
dethwing
02-20-2020, 09:22 AM
This might help you: http://bball.notnothing.net/bigeast.php?sport=mbb
dethwing
02-20-2020, 09:41 AM
So I went through and ran the following permutations:
1. The games not involving Xavier are won by the Favorite.
2. Xavier goes 3-2 in their last 5 games to finish 9-9.
There are 10 permutations to reach 9-9. In sixof them, we get a 6-seed, and the other four we get a 7-seed. Here they are:
5 Remaining Games
Home-Nova Win Win Win Win Win Win Loss Loss Loss Loss
Home-Depaul Win Win Win Loss Loss Loss Win Win Win Loss
Road-G'Town Win Loss Loss Win Win Loss Win Win Loss Win
Road-Prov Loss Win Loss Win Loss Win Win Loss Win Win
Home-Butler Loss Loss Win Loss Win Win Loss Win Win Win
Seed 7 6 7 6 7 6 6 7 6 6
Note that losing to Providence is the key. All four 7 seeds come from losing to Providence.
So we if we go 3-2, we must beat Providence. The other 4 games do not matter as long as we get 2 of them.
UCGRAD4X
02-20-2020, 09:43 AM
This is interesting. It looks like if we beat Villy, we still need to beat either G'town or Providence. Even if we lose to Villy, we still need to beat G'town under the given scenario and everything else chalks.
GoMuskies
02-20-2020, 09:59 AM
If we go 9-9, I'm okay with Wednesday night in MSG. Gives us another winnable game to pad our total. We'll be a lock at that point anyway.
Xuperman
02-20-2020, 10:01 AM
Man, that thing is fun to fool around with!!!
Seems to me that everyone should be rooting for Seton Hall to finish strong and win the reg season title....then X does win that tiebreaker vs Butler if both finish 9-9. If CU wins the reg, that goes away.
The SHU-Nova game on the 3rd could end up being key...if Nova wins and both end up 14-4, we lose the break to Butler because of going 0-2 vs Cr8n.
AviatorX
02-20-2020, 10:08 AM
If we go 9-9, I'm okay with Wednesday night in MSG. Gives us another winnable game to pad our total. We'll be a lock at that point anyway.
100% with this, especially with DePaul being a Q2 game in that circumstance. Relatively low stakes.
Xuperman
02-20-2020, 10:22 AM
If we go 9-9, I'm okay with Wednesday night in MSG. Gives us another winnable game to pad our total. We'll be a lock at that point anyway.
Yea, if we can get to 9, all the rest is gravy. HOWEVER, 9 wins means we will have went 7-3 down the stretch and HOT enough to be thinking championship Saturday......you know we all will be salivating over the possibility! It would be a shame if that 7-3 finish doesn't earn us a Wednesday bye.
AviatorX
02-20-2020, 10:52 AM
I'm behind, didn't realize Marquette is only 7-6 (should be 6-7 if Xavier didn't choke that home game away). Was thinking there was a likely scenario where Creighton and Marquette finished 2/3, but that's out the window. I'd say Xavier has a better chance of going to the Sweet 16 than beating Marquette and Creighton on back-to-back nights.
My only preference for BET seeding is avoiding Creighton and Marquette. If SH/Nova are the 2/3, I'm definitely good with being the 6/7 (assuming we're talking about a playing for NCAA seeding scenario).
UCGRAD4X
02-20-2020, 11:00 AM
100% with this, especially with DePaul being a Q2 game in that circumstance. Relatively low stakes.
0.
Good point and win a couple and the potential losses are not going to hurt us much. Maybe in seeding but probably not much if al all.
Xville
02-20-2020, 11:00 AM
As long as x has at least 9 wins before the bet...I have no issue with playing wednesday, and I'm just going to go ahead and assume if x goes 9-9, they arent going to be 7th in the league.
Xuperman
02-20-2020, 12:22 PM
I have an unexpected day off, so I decided to take a focused look at the D1 landscape as it pertains to post season. This is a very odd year from a parity standpoint across the board. I'm now concerned that a Wed. matchup vs DePaul could create a very nervous selection Sunday and I'll tell you why.
I'm not sure 9 wins gets us dancing. What if we lose to a 1-17 DU on Wednesday and weird things start happening in the other tournements...say UNC wins the ACC, Tennessee wins the SEC and the Huskies return to reality and take the PAC. Then some crap like Memphis rolls thru the AAC and SLU stuns the A10. None of this is that crazy and there's a lot more similar senarios. Suddenly we have some serious bid theft going on.
How about we just beat Nova on Saturday, dust GU, DU, BU and get to 10. Otherwise any slip up on a Wednesday at MSG could get interesting. Probably just over thinking this but this year screams some weirdness happening.
Man, that thing is fun to fool around with!!!
That's what she said.
XU 87
02-20-2020, 01:12 PM
That's what she said.
I should neg rep you for this.
xcellentx
02-20-2020, 01:37 PM
I have an unexpected day off, so I decided to take a focused look at the D1 landscape as it pertains to post season. This is a very odd year from a parity standpoint across the board. I'm now concerned that a Wed. matchup vs DePaul could create a very nervous selection Sunday and I'll tell you why.
I'm not sure 9 wins gets us dancing. What if we lose to a 1-17 DU on Wednesday and weird things start happening in the other tournements...say UNC wins the ACC, Tennessee wins the SEC and the Huskies return to reality and take the PAC. Then some crap like Memphis rolls thru the AAC and SLU stuns the A10. None of this is that crazy and there's a lot more similar senarios. Suddenly we have some serious bid theft going on.
How about we just beat Nova on Saturday, dust GU, DU, BU and get to 10. Otherwise any slip up on a Wednesday at MSG could get interesting. Probably just over thinking this but this year screams some weirdness happening.
No offense, but UNC winning the ACC this year is pretty crazy.
If you look at the other bubble teams, I think 9-9 in the regular season gets us in and probably comfortable enough that no realistic amount of bid stealers will knock us out. That is even more true with a win over Butler and or Nova. Bubble teams are losing all over the place.
If you look at bracketmatrix, we are the 3rd 9 currently with 11 At-Large teams behind us. Our resume is pretty favorable compared to most of these other teams. And just in general, the SH win is better than any of the wins others have and most others have at least 1 if not more Q3-4 losses.
Nothing is certain, but we are in a much better spot than a lot of people think.
Xuperman
02-21-2020, 05:44 AM
I like Xavier Blue Kool Aid as much as anyone, so I am going with the magic 9 gets us in like everyone else. BUT, the reality is, our resume stinks. The Seton Hall win is ridiculously weighted in our favor. Otherwise there is nothing that keeps us in the conversation except conference strength and even there, who have we really beat? Of course take down Nova and the optics shift dramatically.
What really sucks is that 2OT loss to MU was the most devastating home L in recent memory. If we have to go NIT'n again, look no further.
X-band '01
02-21-2020, 06:37 AM
You obviously haven't seen what other teams have done that are even more on the bubble than Xavier is.
Sure, Xavier doesn't have another win that is really as big as Seton Hall, but wins against Georgetown, Providence and even Cincinnati are getting progressively better. The only real stumble was at Wake - that's not as offensive as losses that teams like Cincinnati, Arkansas and Stanford have on their profiles at the moment.
xcellentx
02-21-2020, 09:30 AM
I like Xavier Blue Kool Aid as much as anyone, so I am going with the magic 9 gets us in like everyone else. BUT, the reality is, our resume stinks. The Seton Hall win is ridiculously weighted in our favor. Otherwise there is nothing that keeps us in the conversation except conference strength and even there, who have we really beat? Of course take down Nova and the optics shift dramatically.
What really sucks is that 2OT loss to MU was the most devastating home L in recent memory. If we have to go NIT'n again, look no further.
If you look at our resume, we have 9 combined Q1-2 wins with 8 of our 9 losses to teams currently in the tournament and ranked 36 or better in the NET. the Wake loss is comfortably a Q2 loss. And sure, the SH win is ridiculously weighted in our favor because it is vastly better than most of the bubble's best wins. I understand not thinking our resume is great, but is compares favorably to most teams in the conversation for 8-10 seeds.
Most brackets still have Georgetown and UC in the field...
D-West & PO-Z
02-21-2020, 01:28 PM
our resume stinks.
Welcome to every bubble team every year.
D-West & PO-Z
02-21-2020, 01:30 PM
Lunarid's new bracket today still has UC in and not even in the Last 4 in category.
We arent even close to outside the tourney at this point.
Not to say we don't need to keep winning though, obviously we do, but if season ended today we are safely in.
GoMuskies
02-21-2020, 01:56 PM
Lunarid's new bracket today still has UC in and not even in the Last 4 in category.
At least we traded spots with them in and they are now in "last four byes". I feel like a win tomorrow and Xavier gets REALLY close to being a lock. Just have to avoid a collapse at that point.
slysyl
02-21-2020, 03:52 PM
Lets just win the rest of the games. The team, students, and the fans deserve it.
xavierj
02-21-2020, 08:49 PM
This is how weak the bubble is. UC hasn’t done anything all year, have 4 bad losses, and they are still right there according to Mike Decoursey.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERUkK3GUwAAETPb?format=jpg&name=large
HenryMuto
02-22-2020, 02:19 PM
Providence would be the team I thought X could catch but they keep winning.
Losing at home to Marquette will probably be what costs X a top 6 BE tournament seed and I think X finishes #7 and will have to play that extra game which nothing good could come from it. A loss would be a disaster and a win and you have to play #2 seed that is rested.
A must win today vs Nova to have any shot at a top 6 seed.
xavierj
02-22-2020, 02:36 PM
Providence would be the team I thought X could catch but they keep winning.
Losing at home to Marquette will probably be what costs X a top 6 BE tournament seed and I think X finishes #7 and will have to play that extra game which nothing good could come from it. A loss would be a disaster and a win and you have to play #2 seed that is rested.
A must win today vs Nova to have any shot at a top 6 seed.
Butler is the much more likely team to catch. 7-7 now and They go to Creighton tomorrow and still have to come to Xavier. They play home to St Johns and DePaul.
Xuperman
02-24-2020, 06:14 AM
Both Butler AND Marquette are in a tailspin. Unfortunately if we end up grouped with them at 9-9, we play on Wednesday, mostly because of that damn 2OT Cintas debacle. We need for MU to totally collapse or get to 10, so we can grab the 6th seed on Senior Day.
X-band '01
02-24-2020, 06:18 AM
I'm not buying Marquette collapsing - they just do not matchup well with Providence for whatever reason.
Butler themselves is a game below .500 in the Big East now - it makes Xavier's loss up at Hinkle a little maddening now. Just gotta take care of business for the final four games of the regular season.
D-West & PO-Z
02-24-2020, 08:47 AM
Both Butler AND Marquette are in a tailspin. Unfortunately if we end up grouped with them at 9-9, we play on Wednesday, mostly because of that damn 2OT Cintas debacle. We need for MU to totally collapse or get to 10, so we can grab the 6th seed on Senior Day.
My understanding is that if we tie Marquette (or any team) it isnt our head to head record that matters it is our record against the best team in the conference (or teams if there is a tie at the top).
dethwing
02-24-2020, 09:44 AM
Seed projections:
Games
DePaul-Home W W W W W W W W L L L L L L L L
G'Town-Road W W W W L L L L W W W W L L L L
Prov-Road W W L L W W L L W W L L W W L L
Butler-Home W L W L W L W L W L W L W L W L
Seed 5 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 8
So if we go 4-0, we get a 5, if we go 0-4, we get an 8. Anything else will be the 7. (Assuming the favorites win all other games)
dethwing
02-24-2020, 09:46 AM
My understanding is that if we tie Marquette (or any team) it isnt our head to head record that matters it is our record against the best team in the conference (or teams if there is a tie at the top).
You are correct. Head to Head is not the first tiebreaker (Which is beyond bizarre). First TB is record vs first place (Vs everyone who tied for first) and so on down.
Masterofreality
02-26-2020, 05:26 PM
if Georgetown could beat Marquette tonight, that would be nice.
noteggs
02-26-2020, 08:41 PM
if Georgetown could beat Marquette tonight, that would be nice.
Might happen because you never know what’s going to happen with G-town. McClung and Yurtseven are out, but somehow doesn’t matter with this group.
Muskeagle
02-26-2020, 09:33 PM
I honestly am just fine with a 7 seed. G-Town feels like a must win, and next week needs to be a split. I have trouble seeing us go 3-0. 9-9 is plenty good to get us into the tournament. Plus we'd likely get DePaul for another win in the BET. Even if we end up with a 1-1 record in the BET, I think we're sitting fine for the NCAA. I don't see this team running through NYC with three wins no matter what. Being the 7 seed gets us a chance to get a win maybe two, rather than losing against the 3 seed on Thursday.
Masterofreality
02-27-2020, 02:41 AM
Might happen because you never know what’s going to happen with G-town. McClung and Yurtseven are out, but somehow doesn’t matter with this group.
And it didn’t. By a long shot.
So, we must “Just Win Baby”.
Xville
02-27-2020, 03:40 AM
As long as the team has at least 9 wins before the tourney, i don't care when x plays...it becomes pretty irrelevant at that point.
Xuperman
02-27-2020, 07:38 AM
I honestly am just fine with a 7 seed. G-Town feels like a must win, and next week needs to be a split. I have trouble seeing us go 3-0. 9-9 is plenty good to get us into the tournament. Plus we'd likely get DePaul for another win in the BET. Even if we end up with a 1-1 record in the BET, I think we're sitting fine for the NCAA. I don't see this team running through NYC with three wins no matter what. Being the 7 seed gets us a chance to get a win maybe two, rather than losing against the 3 seed on Thursday.
This seems to be the popular attitude towards the BET. I'm thinking avoiding Wednesday has massive post season implications. It will mean that we get to that magic 9 and can rest easy on selection Sunday. Besides, am I the only one who thinks we can WIN the BEast tournament? If we can stay hot from distance, I would welcome a Thursday date with Villanova.
drudy23
02-27-2020, 08:07 AM
This seems to be the popular attitude towards the BET. I'm thinking avoiding Wednesday has massive post season implications. It will mean that we get to that magic 9 and can rest easy on selection Sunday. Besides, am I the only one who thinks we can WIN the BEast tournament? If we can stay hot from distance, I would welcome a Thursday date with Villanova.
There's also no way to know how many bids will get stolen during Championship Week. Yes, the bubble is extremely weak, but bid steals could and likely will shrink the bubble some. Winning cures that scenario. 9-9 likely gets us there - 8-10 and there is absolutely pressure to win 1-2 games in NYC.
Any team could potentially win the Big East, save probably GTown and DePaul.
UCGRAD4X
02-27-2020, 08:21 AM
This just in from Captain Obvious:
Just Win Baby!*
BandDad
02-27-2020, 12:06 PM
You are correct. Head to Head is not the first tiebreaker (Which is beyond bizarre). First TB is record vs first place (Vs everyone who tied for first) and so on down.
Who came up with that tiebreaker? Rob Mannfred?
94GRAD
02-27-2020, 12:24 PM
My understanding is that if we tie Marquette (or any team) it isn't our head to head record that matters it is our record against the best team in the conference (or teams if there is a tie at the top).
You are correct. Head to Head is not the first tiebreaker (Which is beyond bizarre). First TB is record vs first place (Vs everyone who tied for first) and so on down.
Who came up with that tiebreaker? Rob Mannfred?
Tiebreakers-
TWO-TEAM TIE
1) Regular season head-to-head results. If the tied teams split their two games, then proceed to Step 2 below.
2) Each team’s record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group of tied teams in the standings for comparison. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
3) Compare the Conference road record of the tied teams.
4) Compare all tied teams Conference-games only road record vs. the team(s) occupying the highest position in the final Conference regular-season standings, and then counting down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
5) NET ranking as published by NCAA.com website following the last day of BIG EAST regular-season competition.
6) COIN FLIP. If any ties still exist after implementing all of the above tie-breaking procedures, a coin flip is required. The procedure takes place at The BIG EAST Conference office immediately following the conclusion of the last regular-season conference game. Commissioner Val Ackerman or her designee will administer this procedure. This session is open to the media and to athletic department representatives of the tied teams.
MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE (3 or more teams)
1) Teams are viewed as a “mini-conference” when comparing head-to-head results. The team, or teams, with the best record vs. the other teams in the mini-conference gains the advantage and the team, or teams, with the worst record vs. the other teams in the mini-conference is seeded the lowest.
a. If only two teams have the same best winning percentage in the mini-conference, the higher seed goes to the team winning the head-to-head series.
b. If the two teams split their two games, then proceed to Step 2 under Two-Team ties. To seed the remaining team(s) in this mini-conference, proceed to (e) below.
c. If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning percentage in the original mini-conference, then those tied teams create a new mini-conference and follow this same procedure beginning of Step 1 (Multiple Team Tie).
d. If all teams in the mini-conference have the same mini-conference record, proceed to Step 2 below.
e. After the top or bottom teams in a mini-conference are determined, the remaining teams are ranked by their record in the original mini-conference.
i. If there are any remaining teams tied by their record in the mini-conference, then head-to-head results will determine the higher seed.
ii. If the teams split two games, then proceed back to the two-way tie-breaking procedure.
iii. If there are at least three teams remaining tied by their record in the mini-conference, they would then form a new mini-conference and follow the procedure again at the beginning of Step 1 (Multiple-Team Tie).
2) Compare each team’s record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group of tied teams in the standings for comparison. Continue down through the standings until one or more teams gains an advantage. If two teams have the exact same advantage (i.e., having the same and better record against a compared team relative to their mini-conference), they are separated at that point by the two-way tiebreaker procedure. The next step would take you back to Step 1 (e) (Multiple-Team Tie).
3) If more than 2 teams are still tied, a comparison of the tied teams Conference game only road records.
4) If more than two teams are still tied, a comparison of the tied teams Conference-games only road records vs. the team(s) occupying the highest position in the final Conference regular-season standings, and then continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure), rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
If at any point the multiple-teams tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedures above will be applied. Once a team is eliminated from a multi-team comparison, it is dropped from further comparisons.
5) COIN FLIP. If any ties still exist after implementing all of the above tie-breaking procedures, a coin flip is required. The procedure takes place at The BIG EAST Conference office immediately following the conclusion of the last regular-season conference game. Commissioner Val Ackerman or her designee will administer this procedure. This session is open to the media and to athletic department representatives of the tied teams.
D-West & PO-Z
02-28-2020, 09:31 AM
This seems to be the popular attitude towards the BET. I'm thinking avoiding Wednesday has massive post season implications. It will mean that we get to that magic 9 and can rest easy on selection Sunday. Besides, am I the only one who thinks we can WIN the BEast tournament? If we can stay hot from distance, I would welcome a Thursday date with Villanova.
The majority of sceanrios though where we win 9 games still have us a 7 seed. We most likely need to win out to get out of Wednesday. Mostly because if we tie Butler and everything else plays out the way it seems it will the tie breaker would come down to 3rd place Nova who we went 0-2 and Butler went 1-1.
Honestly of all years for it to be ok to play on Wednesday in the BE tourney, this is the year. Even on Wednesday there is no "bad loss" quad wise and you can actually pick up a decent win.
Xuperman
02-28-2020, 11:53 AM
Yea, looks like if we beat Butler to finish out the season at 9-9, we need Seton Hall to win the regular season championship outright, to avoid Wednesday. BUT, the odds are pretty good that happens.
Here's the thing. Butler is who we thought they were. I would not be surprised if they pick up a home loss vs SJU and/or DePaul.
HenryMuto
02-29-2020, 01:12 PM
X better not lose a 7/10 game. Do that and things will get dicey.
How is it we basically non competitive vs Nova at home and Providence is up 12 at their place ?
How is it that Province has 4 awful losses and yet has a real shot to make the tournament.
Xville
02-29-2020, 01:20 PM
X better not lose a 7/10 game. Do that and things will get dicey.
How is it we basically non competitive vs Nova at home and Providence is up 12 at their place ?
How is it that Province has 4 awful losses and yet has a real shot to make the tournament.
To your first question:
1. Matchups
2. Providence is probably playing the best in the big east right now.
To your second:
1. Pretty sure this will be their 7th quad 1 win if they get it done today.
2. The bubble like every year sucks.
X-band '01
02-29-2020, 01:29 PM
I would say that Xavier's best case scenario right now is creeping up to #5 in the conference standings and a potential semifinal matchup with Seton Hall. They would have to win out to do that.
-BUT-
Both Marquette and Butler have games against St. John's and DePaul remaining. I don't see Butler losing at home to either of those teams, and I really don't see Marquette stubbing their toes on the road against them, either.
We're getting close to swapping places with Prov, NCAA tourney wise. Need to beat GU, and split the other 2, to stay 8,9,or 10.
OTRMUSKIE
02-29-2020, 01:57 PM
Is gtown Top two players returning tomorrow?
HenryMuto
02-29-2020, 02:19 PM
X better win at G'Town. That won't be easy. Providence with 4 terrible losses if they didn't have those they would be a 4 seed right now. If they had 1 they would be a 5 seed. Except they have 4 of them. So they are on the bubble but with their closing schedule I think Providence is all but a lock now to make it (assuming the win out).
Nova losing helps X chances at the 6 seed if X can win at G'Towna and vs Butler if Seton Hall can take out Creighton.
OTRMUSKIE
02-29-2020, 02:25 PM
If gtown is missing their top two scorers tomorrow there is no excuse to lose, zero.
xavierj
02-29-2020, 02:29 PM
I would say that Xavier's best case scenario right now is creeping up to #5 in the conference standings and a potential semifinal matchup with Seton Hall. They would have to win out to do that.
-BUT-
Both Marquette and Butler have games against St. John's and DePaul remaining. I don't see Butler losing at home to either of those teams, and I really don't see Marquette stubbing their toes on the road against them, either.
Yes it would be nice to win out and get that 5 seed. I believe if butler and Marquette go 2-1 to finish and Xavier 3-0, Xavier would end up the 5 seed.
X-band '01
02-29-2020, 02:29 PM
X better win at G'Town. That won't be easy. Providence with 4 terrible losses if they didn't have those they would be a 4 seed right now. If they had 1 they would be a 5 seed. Except they have 4 of them. So they are on the bubble but with their closing schedule I think Providence is all but a lock now to make it (assuming the win out).
Nova losing helps X chances at the 6 seed if X can win at G'Towna and vs Butler if Seton Hall can take out Creighton.
Now the rub is that there's an increased likelihood of a Xavier-Villanova matchup in the Big East quarterfinals. No bueno.
Xville
02-29-2020, 02:40 PM
Its increasingly likely the be is going to get 7 teams in the tourney, that's awesome for the league, especially if a few of the 7 make some noise.
whopper
02-29-2020, 04:03 PM
man I hope you are right about 7, the NCAA won't really want it so any slip up will be magnified. Watching Seton Hall today it is hard to believe we beat them, ditto Providence. We may be better that we think. As I writer this Texas Christian (TCU) beat Baylor and we beat them at TCU in a relatively routine game which like Wake Forest beating Duke should have a positive effect on our NET. Looking back at TCU Q had 11 assists and 3 TO.
UCGRAD4X
02-29-2020, 05:37 PM
man I hope you are right about 7, the NCAA won't really want it so any slip up will be magnified. Watching Seton Hall today it is hard to believe we beat them, ditto Providence. We may be better that we think. As I writer this Texas Christian (TCU) beat Baylor and we beat them at TCU in a relatively routine game which like Wake Forest beating Duke should have a positive effect on our NET. Looking back at TCU Q had 11 assists and 3 TO.
We need that Q back!
noteggs
02-29-2020, 07:04 PM
We need that Q back!
Word
Sorry to borrow a 90’s reference.
HenryMuto
03-01-2020, 02:43 PM
Seton Hall winning coupled with both Nova and Creighton losing has helped our cause on this front.
stammina0721
03-01-2020, 06:36 PM
Please correct me but has X missed the semi finals yet for BET?
xukeith
03-01-2020, 06:42 PM
Please correct me but has X missed the semi finals yet for BET?
Never missed by X.
X-band '01
03-01-2020, 07:11 PM
Xavier is:
1-0 in Wednesday games (against DePaul in 2017)
6-0 in quarterfinal games (Marquette, Butler, Marquette, Butler, St. John's and Creighton)
1-5 in semifinal games (losses to Creighton-14, Seton Hall-16, Creighton-17, Providence-18 and Villanova-19, win against Georgetown-15)
0-1 in championship (Villanova-15)
D-West & PO-Z
03-01-2020, 08:38 PM
Seton Hall winning coupled with both Nova and Creighton losing has helped our cause on this front.
Yes it did very much. Because we could lose to Providence now and if we beat Butler and Creighton beats Seton Hall the Hall still hold first place alone and we have tie breaker over Butler. This scenario gives that other games go to favorites.
Xuperman
03-03-2020, 04:30 AM
Looks like had we won the 2OT debacle at Cintas, we would have already locked up a 6th seed or better. (And the DANCE ticket that comes with it)
:read:
Masterofreality
03-03-2020, 10:59 AM
Looks like had we won the 2OT debacle at Cintas, we would have already locked up a 6th seed or better. (And the DANCE ticket that comes with it)
:read:
Zone---out.
GIMMFD
03-03-2020, 01:05 PM
Looks like had we won the 2OT debacle at Cintas, we would have already locked up a 6th seed or better. (And the DANCE ticket that comes with it)
:read:
Obviously it's a massive opportunity lost, and annoying in every sense, but beating a dead horse isn't going to change the fact that we lost. Ultimately we regrouped well from it, and have ripped off some key wins, including Seton Hall immediately after that game.
OTRMUSKIE
03-03-2020, 01:51 PM
The only reason this season has been saved was because we lost to Marquette. X wins that game who knows if we beat hall. Things happen for a reason and losing to Marquette is what saved this season.
UCGRAD4X
03-03-2020, 04:43 PM
The only reason this season has been saved was because we lost to Marquette. X wins that game who knows if we beat hall. Things happen for a reason and losing to Marquette is what saved this season.
:headscratch:
xufan2020
03-03-2020, 04:47 PM
The only reason this season has been saved was because we lost to Marquette. X wins that game who knows if we beat hall. Things happen for a reason and losing to Marquette is what saved this season.
It sounds odd but I have the same feeling. The team hit rock bottom, and I think Tyrique and Steele started the whole "Unbreakable" theme after that loss. I believe a switch was flipped then. Unfortunate that's what it took
xudash
03-03-2020, 10:16 PM
Marquette is the team that just hit rock bottom!
noteggs
03-03-2020, 10:21 PM
Yes! Surprising from Wojo.
X-band '01
03-04-2020, 12:42 AM
Not really surprising considering Marquette melted down at about the same time last year. Imagine if the Johnnies pick 'em off this weekend.
GIMMFD
03-04-2020, 02:11 AM
Yes! Surprising from Wojo.
Honestly Wojo hasn't impressed me much as a head coach, granted he hasn't had any amazing recruiting classes except for this 2020 one coming in, 6 years of being the head man at Marquette, with 2 NCAA appearances, and losing in the first game both times doesn't scream greatness. Honestly, not many from the Krzyzewski coaching tree have been any good, I think Dawkins has a chance to be good, I think he's doing okay at UCF and wasn't TERRIBLE at Stanford by any means. Capel ran into some Blake Griffin luck before falling back towards the mean, he's a good recruiter, we'll see if he can turn around the dumpster fire of Pitt, because that's no easy task. I'd say the only one that has been really successful has been Mike Brey at Notre Dame.
GoMuskies
03-04-2020, 06:39 AM
Quinn Snyder is a good NBA coach.
dethwing
03-04-2020, 09:03 AM
Current Permutations (Again assuming favorites win non-X games)
WW: 5 Seed vs Providence
WL: 6 Seed vs Nova
LW: 5 Seed vs Nova
LL: 7 Seed vs DePaul (and Creighton on Thursday)
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 09:08 AM
Current Permutations (Again assuming favorites win non-X games)
WW: 5 Seed vs Providence
WL: 6 Seed vs Nova
LW: 5 Seed vs Nova
LL: 7 Seed vs DePaul (and Creighton on Thursday)
The only way this can be right, I believe, is that you are calling St. Johns the favorite against Marquette at home in last game. Otherwise any non WW for us would put us at the 7 seed.
drudy23
03-04-2020, 10:06 AM
Yeah, it seems anything other than 2-0 has us looking at Wednesday, unless something goofy happens in the other games.
I still think we're in tournament danger if we go 0-2.
noteggs
03-04-2020, 10:16 AM
Not really surprising considering Marquette melted down at about the same time last year. Imagine if the Johnnies pick 'em off this weekend.
Guess my sarcasm font was a little off tonight.
dethwing
03-04-2020, 10:22 AM
The only way this can be right, I believe, is that you are calling St. Johns the favorite against Marquette at home in last game. Otherwise any non WW for us would put us at the 7 seed.
The Bracket Generator and Tiebreaker uses Sagarin Rankings as Default. Marquette is just over 2 points higher, but SJ is playing at home which is worth 4 points, so that's why they have SJ favored.
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 01:22 PM
The Bracket Generator and Tiebreaker uses Sagarin Rankings as Default. Marquette is just over 2 points higher, but SJ is playing at home which is worth 4 points, so that's why they have SJ favored.
Yeah makes sense. I think most of us would think Marquette should beat St. Johns but when it comes to the spread I wouldnt be surprised to see St. Johns favored. Especially after Marquette lost at a Paul Reed-less Depaul last night.
GIMMFD
03-04-2020, 02:06 PM
Quinn Snyder is a good NBA coach.
Yeah, you're right there, totally forgot about him, he's very solid.
Guess my sarcasm font was a little off tonight.
Whoops, didn't realize you were being sarcastic, my bad haha.
Xuperman
03-04-2020, 03:16 PM
The only way this can be right, I believe, is that you are calling St. Johns the favorite against Marquette at home in last game. Otherwise any non WW for us would put us at the 7 seed.
Not really, the most likely way for us to get a 6 hinges on SHU winning 1 more game. If they do, just beat those weak ass "dawgs" on Saturday and we play on Thursday.
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 03:42 PM
Not really, the most likely way for us to get a 6 hinges on SHU winning 1 more game. If they do, just beat those weak ass "dawgs" on Saturday and we play on Thursday.
I may be confused still on the tie breaker because I keep using this site to see different scenarios:
http://bball.notnothing.net/bracket.php?conf=bigeastm
They state that is X Marquette and Butler all tie the tie breaker between the 3 of them is first a "round robin" record against each other which we would lose with a 1-3 record vs Butler and Marquette and Marquette would win with a 3-1 record and Butler would be 2-2.
Maybe that isnt the right way to tie break? I know its supposed to be head to head first but that may change when it is 3 or more teams tied and revert to the round robin tie breaker.
XUMIOH12
03-04-2020, 04:29 PM
I may be confused still on the tie breaker because I keep using this site to see different scenarios:
http://bball.notnothing.net/bracket.php?conf=bigeastm
They state that is X Marquette and Butler all tie the tie breaker between the 3 of them is first a "round robin" record against each other which we would lose with a 1-3 record vs Butler and Marquette and Marquette would win with a 3-1 record and Butler would be 2-2.
Maybe that isnt the right way to tie break? I know its supposed to be head to head first but that may change when it is 3 or more teams tied and revert to the round robin tie breaker.
I believe that is correct. The head to head record vs 1st place team is only if it is a 2 team tie. 3 team tie goes like you said. (I think lol)
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 05:04 PM
I believe that is correct. The head to head record vs 1st place team is only if it is a 2 team tie. 3 team tie goes like you said. (I think lol)
Yeah so we go 1-1 chances are likely we get 7 seed. 2-0 could be as high as 4 seed but would be at least 5 seed I believe.
HenryMuto
03-04-2020, 05:36 PM
So Marquette losing to DePaul and not finishing ahead of X actually hurts X because X wins a H2H tie breaker over Butler but in a 3 way Butler wins it ?
The way it should work is the 3 teams tie Marquette has the best 3 team record and gets #5 seed then they should compare just Butler vs X for #6 seed.
Kinda of stupid that in a 3 way Butler moves ahead of X.
X-band '01
03-04-2020, 05:48 PM
I thought a 3 way was not in line with the Butler Way. Sinners
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 07:51 PM
So Marquette losing to DePaul and not finishing ahead of X actually hurts X because X wins a H2H tie breaker over Butler but in a 3 way Butler wins it ?
The way it should work is the 3 teams tie Marquette has the best 3 team record and gets #5 seed then they should compare just Butler vs X for #6 seed.
Kinda of stupid that in a 3 way Butler moves ahead of X.
Yeah kinda crazy but that Marquette loss does hurt us. Unless they lose to St. Johns as well to end the season which is def possible.
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 09:13 PM
Pretty sure we basically need to beat Butler and a Marquette loss at this point.
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 09:14 PM
Pretty sure we basically need to beat Butler and a Marquette loss at this point.
And if this happens and Seton Hall wins either tonight or last game then we would be 5 seed.
fellahmuskie
03-04-2020, 09:53 PM
Obviously want Xavier to win on Saturday. But let's say Marquette also wins. If Nova beats Seton Hall, then Georgetown and Creighton beats Seton Hall on Saturday, Creighton would be the one seed, Nova two and Seton Hall three. We'd avoid Creighton until the final, which is about all we can ask for now.
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 09:57 PM
Obviously want Xavier to win on Saturday. But let's say Marquette also wins. If Nova beats Seton Hall, then Georgetown and Creighton beats Seton Hall on Saturday, Creighton would be the one seed, Nova two and Seton Hall three. We'd avoid Creighton until the final, which is about all we can ask for now.
We can get that with with Marquette losing too though. We would be 6 seed in that scenario. And Creighton 1 seed.
fellahmuskie
03-04-2020, 09:58 PM
I would much prefer marquette losing. Just trying to find a silver lining if we get 7th. Though playing Nova in the quarters isn't much of one lol.
D-West & PO-Z
03-04-2020, 10:10 PM
I would much prefer marquette losing. Just trying to find a silver lining if we get 7th. Though playing Nova in the quarters isn't much of one lol.
Yeah I get ya. If we do get 6th in my scenario we play Seton Hall. Would rather play them than Nova honestly. Think most would probably agree with that since we know we can actually beat Seton Hall and there isnt a mental thing there either.
Xuperman
03-05-2020, 10:24 AM
Pretty sure we basically need to beat Butler and a Marquette loss at this point.
You are correct. Unfortunately both need to happen or we are a 7.
mid major
03-05-2020, 05:13 PM
Market winning at SJU is not a given. I can see the Redmen beating them. But we need to win against Butt.
D-West & PO-Z
03-05-2020, 08:35 PM
Market winning at SJU is not a given. I can see the Redmen beating them. But we need to win against Butt.
I could see it too. We will know well before our game if it happens or not. Either way we need to beat Butler to lock in that bid for sure!
BigMoeMusketeer
03-06-2020, 07:31 AM
We aren't playing 4 games in NYC, let's be honest, so in terms of our resume, the best thing would be to finish 7th, beat DePaul, and then likely lose to Nova or Creighton. That extra win is better than being a 6 and then losing to one of those two teams in our first game. If we're simply trying to maximize our potential NET Rating, that is the best path.
D-West & PO-Z
03-06-2020, 11:14 AM
We aren't playing 4 games in NYC, let's be honest, so in terms of our resume, the best thing would be to finish 7th, beat DePaul, and then likely lose to Nova or Creighton. That extra win is better than being a 6 and then losing to one of those two teams in our first game. If we're simply trying to maximize our potential NET Rating, that is the best path.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
The potential loss to Depaul I think would hurt us more than the potential win would help us. Depaul would be a quad 2 win on neutral court. I dont think that will move the needle much for us. If we lose to Butler I agree getting that win may help us but if we beat Butler I hope St. Johns wins so we can avoid having to play Depaul. I feel like a committee seeing us finish with a top 6 record in conference too looks better.
Lets just beat Butler to secure our spot and then it shouldnt matter what happens with seeding in BE tourney.
BigMoeMusketeer
03-06-2020, 01:40 PM
I'm not sure I agree with that.
The potential loss to Depaul I think would hurt us more than the potential win would help us. Depaul would be a quad 2 win on neutral court. I dont think that will move the needle much for us. If we lose to Butler I agree getting that win may help us but if we beat Butler I hope St. Johns wins so we can avoid having to play Depaul. I feel like a committee seeing us finish with a top 6 record in conference too looks better.
Lets just beat Butler to secure our spot and then it shouldnt matter what happens with seeding in BE tourney.
Agreed -- just beat Butler. I wasn't even allowing myself to think about what a loss to DePaul in the 7/10 game would feel like, that is blasphemous.
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 12:27 PM
So I guess if Marquette beats Saint John's then Xavier is locked into #7 seed regardless of their game vs Butler.
That sucks.
Go Johnnies
Xville
03-07-2020, 12:38 PM
So I guess if Marquette beats Saint John's then Xavier is locked into #7 seed regardless of their game vs Butler.
That sucks.
Go Johnnies
Johnnie's up 12...keep it up red storm!!!
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 12:43 PM
SJ up 40-24....keep it up boys. Moving from the 7 (where Nova is likely 2 which is the 1 team we can never beat) to a 5 where we get a bye then get a Providence team we almost beat at their place would be much better. Though losing to Providence would be worse than losing to Nova.
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 12:47 PM
SJ up 45-24 1:40 left in 1st half
whopper
03-07-2020, 12:53 PM
St johns beat Creighton by 30 and they said it was because of the small carnesecca arena..now up by 19 at MSG. This will be an amazing tournament and praying for a win tonight..
Hopefully a win tonight ( I've despised Butler since the MCC days ). And anyone but Creighton next week. Jays are just a team we have no answer for.
X-band '01
03-07-2020, 01:02 PM
If Villanova and Creighton both win today, I believe the Bluejays get the #1 seed in a 3-way tie because of a 3-1 record against the top of the league. That would also make Nova the #2 seed and Hall the #3 seed.
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 01:15 PM
St johns beat Creighton by 30 and they said it was because of the small carnesecca arena..now up by 19 at MSG. This will be an amazing tournament and praying for a win tonight..
By 20 but who is counting.
Nova was up 14-0 on G'Town now tied at 39
KabeX
03-07-2020, 01:21 PM
So if SJ score holds up and we destroy Futler, we're at least a 6. But we would be a 5 if SH beats CU?
By 20 but who is counting.
Nova was up 14-0 on G'Town now tied at 39
I think it's a toss up between Gtown and SJU as to who is the quirkiest team in the Big East. And WTF is wrong with Marquette ? Have they found out Wojo is leaving to replace K at Duke ?
noteggs
03-07-2020, 01:34 PM
So if SJ score holds up and we destroy Futler, we're at least a 6. But we would be a 5 if SH beats CU?
Correct
KabeX
03-07-2020, 01:43 PM
Thanks. Guess I'll be leaving work early if that happens. My company's HQ is at 2 Penn (attached to MSG). It seems I have to be in the home office every year at this time ;)
D-West & PO-Z
03-07-2020, 01:45 PM
I think it's a toss up between Gtown and SJU as to who is the quirkiest team in the Big East. And WTF is wrong with Marquette ? Have they found out Wojo is leaving to replace K at Duke ?
Wojo has done barely enough to keep the current job he has, cant imagine him getting any better job.
KabeX
03-07-2020, 01:47 PM
Wojo has done barely enough to keep the current job he has, cant imagine him getting any better job.
100% agree. His teams seem to go the wrong way this time of year.
bjf123
03-07-2020, 01:49 PM
So if SJ score holds up and we destroy Futler, we're at least a 6. But we would be a 5 if SH beats CU?
Too many permutations to worry about. Just win tonight and what happens happens. Still, Go Johnnies!
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Wojo has done barely enough to keep the current job he has, cant imagine him getting any better job.
I was referencing Mack to Louisville. Should have used Sarcasm font.
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 01:56 PM
SJ going to blow this ?
bjf123
03-07-2020, 01:57 PM
SJ going to blow this ?
They’re trying to.
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HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 02:11 PM
Georgetown completes the choke loses by 1 to Nova
whopper
03-07-2020, 02:14 PM
made me sad as Villanova is basically like 5 tom Brady's attitude wise. Not a smidgen of doubt but the do back it up. They were down by 4 with less than a minute to go and were flawless. St Johns wins so it is all in our hands. Incredible afternoon and at 64 after watching and playing since 1969 I may have to give it up. Honestly the average big East afternoon gives you more close games and heartache than the entire 1980s did
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 02:19 PM
#5 seed in BE there for the taking.
I can't believe G'Town blew that game up 4 with under 1 minute left.
Xville
03-07-2020, 02:19 PM
Whew...thank you Johnnies. Win tonight!
D-West & PO-Z
03-07-2020, 02:21 PM
St. Johns did their part, C'mon X do yours.
D-West & PO-Z
03-07-2020, 02:22 PM
I was referencing Mack to Louisville. Should have used Sarcasm font.
Ah got it!
D-West & PO-Z
03-07-2020, 02:27 PM
Too many permutations to worry about. Just win tonight and what happens happens. Still, Go Johnnies!
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Only two scenarios now. Win tonight and we will be a 5 or a 6 seed. We will know which before game time. But most importantly win today and we lock in a tourney bid.
bjf123
03-07-2020, 02:39 PM
So which do we want, the 5 or 6? Higher is usually better, but in the BET, it’s all about matchups.
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AviatorX
03-07-2020, 02:42 PM
So which do we want, the 5 or 6? Higher is usually better, but in the BET, it’s all about matchups.
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I think the 5 playing PC in the first round and 1 seed Seton Hall in the semis (with a win) is by far the "best" path.
X-band '01
03-07-2020, 03:35 PM
Too many moving parts to worry about a 5 or a 6. Just win tonight and the rest will take care of itself.
Masterofreality
03-07-2020, 04:28 PM
Too many moving parts to worry about a 5 or a 6. Just win tonight and the rest will take care of itself.
Welp. Win and it’s 6. Whatever. JUST WIN!!
Xville
03-07-2020, 04:35 PM
Welp. Win and it’s 6. Whatever. JUST WIN!!
Is Creighton still going to be the 3 seed or how does that shake out?
bjf123
03-07-2020, 04:37 PM
Is Creighton still going to be the 3 seed or how does that shake out?
Nope. They’re the 1 seed. Nova is the 2 and Seton Hall is the 3.
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X-band '01
03-07-2020, 04:46 PM
That is the best matchup Xavier could hope for in the quarters with a win tonight.
HenryMuto
03-07-2020, 05:38 PM
That is the best matchup Xavier could hope for in the quarters with a win tonight.
I would rather have the 5 seed and played Providence.
UCGRAD4X
03-08-2020, 03:23 AM
Oops!
Double Down
03-08-2020, 02:24 PM
There’s no avoiding it now. Let’s lace them up, get a win and move on to Thursday.
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