View Full Version : Game Thread: Xavier v. Butler (February 12, 2020) Big East Conference Game
paulxu
02-12-2020, 07:30 AM
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XAVIER UNIVERSITY MUSKETEERS (16-8, 5-6 BIG EAST)
NO. 19/20 BUTLER UNIVERSITY BULLDOGS (18-6, 6-5 BIG EAST)
WEDNESDAY, FEB. 12, 2020 AT 6:30 P.M. ET
HINKLE FIELDHOUSE (9,100) IN INDIANAPOLIS, IND.
National Television: CBS Sports Network with play-by-play from Carter Blackburn and analysis from former XU head coach Pete Gillen. Jamie Erdahl is the reporter.
Xavier Radio: 55KRC-AM with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88). Broadcast is also available via Sirius XM (381) and Internet (971).
National Radio: Westwood One Sports with Jason Benetti and Jon Crispin.
Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com and fan stats at GoXavier.com.
paulxu
02-12-2020, 07:30 AM
Respect the streak !
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:28 AM
Feed the streak, butler by 20
bleedXblue
02-12-2020, 09:05 AM
Butler was doing a bunch of whining about the foul call differential against Marquette last week. I sure hope we don't get whistle whipped tonight. I hope they let them play and we don't get screwed b/c of a bad call.
atljar
02-12-2020, 09:10 AM
^--- That would never happen at Hinkle.....
paulxu
02-12-2020, 09:20 AM
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atljar
02-12-2020, 09:28 AM
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SemajParlor
02-12-2020, 09:36 AM
I'm pretty ready for 630 pm.
Xavier
02-12-2020, 10:04 AM
A win here and Xavier gets a little bit of wiggle room. Monster game
xcellentx
02-12-2020, 10:10 AM
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/zOwaYq1lWNFl2e6ieL9JIQ/o.jpg
Hopefully we don't need them to find another stopwatch or I might not get to bed before 1 in the morning.
Masterofreality
02-12-2020, 11:13 AM
Hope Xavier wears their water skis tonight to navigate the Hazard.
Also hope they clean up the Cow manure in that barn before game time.
We're gonna win this game.
Tonight We RIDE!!
XU_Lou
02-12-2020, 02:53 PM
Gotta love this tweet: https://twitter.com/SaintLedgewood/status/1227607616714571776
Masterofreality
02-12-2020, 04:24 PM
Gotta love this tweet: https://twitter.com/SaintLedgewood/status/1227607616714571776
My Boy doing work!!!
atljar
02-12-2020, 05:49 PM
Wheres Uncle Buck with his annual buck futler post?
Jesuit4Life
02-12-2020, 06:06 PM
Let's Go X
Xville
02-12-2020, 06:43 PM
Scruggs already with two fouls..ugh
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 06:45 PM
Scruggs already with two fouls..ugh
First whistle seemed pretty meh.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 06:45 PM
Great start, then not so great with the Scruggs fouls. This looks like it's going to be an absolute grinder.
D-West & PO-Z
02-12-2020, 06:47 PM
When are we going to stop rewarding bad defense with these terrible help defender charge calls? They are dangerous and the player slides under the shooter most of the time.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 06:47 PM
Scruggs already with two fouls..ugh
First one was weak and would have been an easy 2. Refs look like they want to be the stars tonight. Same refs had the Dayton game last night and called 50 fouls and teams combined for 64 foul shots. Holy.
Xville
02-12-2020, 06:49 PM
Pretty darn good start on the road especially on d
D-West & PO-Z
02-12-2020, 06:49 PM
C'mon KyKy! Grab the ball! No second chances!
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 06:49 PM
Tandy is not having a day just yet. Hope he'll settle in.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 06:50 PM
That Carter drive....ugh. No, just no.
Xville
02-12-2020, 06:51 PM
Tandy is short on everything so far...playing very nervous...odd
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 06:53 PM
We need some good Naji. We're DUE some good Naji.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 06:53 PM
Tandy is short on everything so far...playing very nervous...odd
He will settle down.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 06:54 PM
I would bring Scruggs back ASAP.
Xville
02-12-2020, 06:54 PM
Scruggs and tandy both with 2...now what?
D-West & PO-Z
02-12-2020, 06:55 PM
I would bring Scruggs back ASAP.
Agree. Can't sit him whole half. Maybe just dont have him guard Baldwin?
Xville
02-12-2020, 06:58 PM
Really hope that Steele is not going to keep tandy and scruggs out the entire half. Dont think the team can afford to do that.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 06:58 PM
I think it's pretty clear Rik's boy can't guard Tyrique.
D-West & PO-Z
02-12-2020, 07:00 PM
That fucking guy has 7 threes all year, two tonight.
FML.
Get Paul in.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:01 PM
Defense has abandoned us.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:01 PM
Really hope that Steele is not going to keep tandy and scruggs out the entire half. Dont think the team can afford to do that.
Agreed. Would be monumentally stupid.
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:01 PM
Time to bring scruggs back in...cant be afraid of fouls.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 07:02 PM
Get feeding the post. They can’t guard X inside.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:02 PM
Some terrible giveaways tonight.
whopper
02-12-2020, 07:02 PM
not enough offense in..
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:04 PM
When's the last time we guarded someone? Damn.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:05 PM
Thank God for Tyrique. Everyone else has been BAD. Particularly Scruggs. Man.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:06 PM
Damn, that was a huge shot for Moore!
D-West & PO-Z
02-12-2020, 07:07 PM
Nice job getting back in it. Lets get a bucket here out of the timeout!
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:07 PM
Decent job staying in touch there. Freemantle's defense...yikes. Other than that got coverage switched up on one screen for the Nze dunk but some of the shots Butler is making you're just gonna live with.
noteggs
02-12-2020, 07:08 PM
That fucking guy has 7 threes all year, two tonight.
FML.
Get Paul in.
Only 1 in BE play. Ugh
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:09 PM
3 for him now. But after he's hit two....you probably want to guard him on shot #3!
whopper
02-12-2020, 07:10 PM
now 3..the butler blog said they were hoping for a big game from Baddeney
bjf123
02-12-2020, 07:10 PM
They stay hot from 3 and we’re in deep do-do.
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GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:12 PM
Another just awful, unforced giveaway. Only 5 turnovers, but they've been some awful ones (plus KyKy's dropped rebound that doesn't count as a turnover).
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:12 PM
Only 5 turnovers but almost all live ball and Butler has scored (or now gotten FT's) off of all of them. That's a big swing.
xudash
02-12-2020, 07:12 PM
That was a bad turn over by Carter, but I have to say that his earlier drive to the rim against Tucker was the best I’ve seen him going to the basket all year.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:13 PM
That was a bad turn over by Carter, but I have to say that his earlier drive to the rim against Tucker was the best I’ve seen him going to the basket all year.
I liked his lefty take right at the beginning of the game.
It sucks when you give up the one game they will tell their grand kids about!
xavierj
02-12-2020, 07:14 PM
They stay hot from 3 and we’re in deep do-do.
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Other than Bagley they are 2-10
stammina0721
02-12-2020, 07:15 PM
Butler had no offense we will be fine. However, Jones needs to touch the ball Everytime. They can't stop him. Any possession that ends without him touching the ball is as good as a turnover
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:16 PM
Great stretch of defense that we're squandering on the offensive end.
Other than Bagley they are 2-10
I’ve heard Mrs Lincoln was really enjoying the play, too! :-)
XUBison
02-12-2020, 07:17 PM
It sucks when you give up the one game they will tell their grand kids about!
I suppose this is what our opponents feel like on those rare nights when Q is hitting shots.
whopper
02-12-2020, 07:18 PM
I feel for Carter as he is about 90% there on some shots and helps us. and dame I can edit it as he just got fouled and Q just made a dummmmmmm play
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:18 PM
Amazing x is only down 4. Feel good about the second half with Scruggs and tandy being able to go full bore
bjf123
02-12-2020, 07:19 PM
Other than Bagley they are 2-10
They’re 6-14 and we’re 2-7. That’s killer.
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D-West & PO-Z
02-12-2020, 07:20 PM
Why Carter?
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:20 PM
Thanks Q.
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:20 PM
Having carter and q on the floor at the same time is a recipe for disaster.
Q is an absolute waste of a scholarship
OK, THAT was our senior PG there......out around 25 feet at the end of the half....
xudash
02-12-2020, 07:21 PM
No foul against Carter. Goodin goes full-on stupid. Unbelievable.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:22 PM
Maybe more Tandy and less Goodin in the second half. Just a thought.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 07:22 PM
Well that sucks
bjf123
02-12-2020, 07:22 PM
Think we’re going down tonight. Too many stupid fouls and plays. Not our night.
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Xville
02-12-2020, 07:22 PM
All q has done in this game is show how he doesnt deserve any game time at all, and how silly it was for Steele to wait so long to take him out of the lineup.
stammina0721
02-12-2020, 07:23 PM
These refs are bad. I guess guys are allowed to have their hands inside the net and touching the rim as a shot is coming down
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:24 PM
Xavier is a very mediocre dumb team. Not a good combination. They'll have a shot in the second half though.
That said, Butler is very unimpressive. No chance that team is going anywhere.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:25 PM
Xavier is a very mediocre dumb team. Not a good combination.
That said, Butler is very unimpressive. No chance that team is going anywhere.
Eh, they've got some shooters. Get hot in March, and you can go a long way.
All q has done in this game is show how he doesnt deserve any game time at all, and how silly it was for Steele to wait so long to take him out of the lineup.
I wonder how the locker room feels about his minutes. He rarely helps in any way, and these guys know the game. Tricky situation.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 07:26 PM
8 of Xavier’s 16 missed shots were at the rim. Have to finish better. They were all pretty easy looks.
Eggs-Zavier needs to get the ball inside, I’m told.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:27 PM
Eggs-Zavier needs to get the ball inside, I’m told.
Yeah, who the fuck is that guy? He's....not good.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 07:28 PM
Awful half. Scruggs with his typical lazy fouls and has to sit the majority of the half. Carter is 2 for 75 on layups but continues to chuck them off the backboard from 2ft away and Q just looks lost out there.
Luckily jones is playing like a beast again. Need to tighten up that 3pt D. Hopefully tandy can find his shot in the 2and half. All if his shots looked bad so far.
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Xville
02-12-2020, 07:28 PM
Xavier is a very mediocre dumb team. Not a good combination. They'll have a shot in the second half though.
That said, Butler is very unimpressive. No chance that team is going anywhere.
I disagree with both of these. Butler is a sound, fundamental team which plays well in March.
Xavier is a medicore dumb team when q is on the floor....the game went south as soon as paul went out with the two fouls. If anything, steele was dumb for taking him out and playing q so much.
XUBison
02-12-2020, 07:29 PM
sometimes it’s like Q is playing for the other team. It’s really hard to believe how bad he is.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 07:29 PM
Xavier is going to win this f’ing game. Need to play with nothing to lose 2nd half. And make freaking layups. Ty with only 3 rebounds, so he will get 15 in the 2nd half.
xukeith
02-12-2020, 07:30 PM
Lets spread the blame around.
Tandy came in and launched from 35 feet but he didn't have to. He also bobbled a rebound out of bounds. Silly.
All hope is in defense.
Yeah, who the fuck is that guy? He's....not good.
If he works at it very hard, he might one day be....”not good”. Know the damn name of the two schools playing in the game.
Hard to win when only one player shows up to play.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 07:32 PM
Hard to win when only one player shows up to play.Need Scruggs to get going. Drilled the early 3 but nothing since then. Was hoping he would have a big game tonight.
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AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:32 PM
I disagree with both of these. Butler is a sound, fundamental team which plays well in March.
Xavier is a medicore dumb team when q is on the floor....the game went south as soon as paul went out with the two fouls. If anything, steele was dumb for taking him out and playing q so much.
Come on...Xavier does a lot of dumb things with or without Q. Scruggs is perhaps the #1 offender!
I understand folks disagree on Butler. We'll see in March, but that does not look at all like a Sweet 16 team to me.
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:33 PM
Whatever happens this half, no reason for q to see the floor.
8 of Xavier’s 16 missed shots were at the rim. Have to finish better. They were all pretty easy looks.
Two of those misses were excusable- one tough defended one by Jones. Guys are afraid to use the glass.
stammina0721
02-12-2020, 07:35 PM
I disagree with both of these. Butler is a sound, fundamental team which plays well in March.
Xavier is a medicore dumb team when q is on the floor....the game went south as soon as paul went out with the two fouls. If anything, steele was dumb for taking him out and playing q so much.
Butler sucks and are nothing what you just described. Butler was what you said 2 coaches ago.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:36 PM
You know X has a spurt in them. Really key to keep this in the 8-12 range the first 6-7 minutes of the half.
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:36 PM
Come on...Xavier does a lot of dumb things with or without Q. Scruggs is perhaps the #1 offender!
I understand folks disagree on Butler. We'll see in March, but that does not look at all like a Sweet 16 team to me.
Ok I'll agree x does dumb things but dont think they are mediocre. I've got to tell myself this second half, I expected them to lose this game anyways...winning at butler this year is a tall order
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:36 PM
If he works at it very hard, he might one day be....”not good”. Know the damn name of the two schools playing in the game.
He may want to know who KyKy....uh, uh, KyKy....looks down...uh, Tandy is, too!
scoscox
02-12-2020, 07:37 PM
Lets spread the blame around.
Tandy came in and launched from 35 feet but he didn't have to. He also bobbled a rebound out of bounds. Silly.
All hope is in defense.
i agree. the whole team looked out of sorts, apart from tyrique. gonna need to settle in
bleedXblue
02-12-2020, 07:38 PM
Whatever happens this half, no reason for q to see the floor.
Exactly, he did nothing with a HUGE opportunity to help his team. Id rather see a walk on right now. I just don't see the effort or desire right now from him.
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:38 PM
Butler sucks and are nothing what you just described. Butler was what you said 2 coaches ago.
Butler sucks? Hmm, dont know what to say to that except that's just a stupid comment
Need Scruggs to get going. Drilled the early 3 but nothing since then. Was hoping he would have a big game tonight.
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It’s like Jones is playing like he knows he better than the opponent but the other guys are so sure... and there is zero reason we should be seeing it from Marshall, Scruggs And Q.
Like you said, let’s hope Scruggs (and Marshall and Kyky) get it going.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:39 PM
Naji is broken.
bjf123
02-12-2020, 07:39 PM
Come on...Xavier does a lot of dumb things with or without Q. Scruggs is perhaps the #1 offender!
I understand folks disagree on Butler. We'll see in March, but that does not look at all like a Sweet 16 team to me.
They might not be a Sweet 16 team, but they’re definitely dancing, baring a complete collapse. We, on the other hand, are not yet guaranteed a spot on the dance floor.
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drudy23
02-12-2020, 07:40 PM
Huge missed opportunity when Butler went 4.5 minutes without scoring at end of half. Then we give up 5 points after that.
We should be close to tied.
This team is sleepwalking.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:41 PM
Scruggs is playing like shit. I guess it's easier to list who's NOT playing like shit so far.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:41 PM
Naji leaving his man to help on Thompson. Jesus.
X Factor
02-12-2020, 07:42 PM
Offense is brutally bad.
Glad they came out of the half fired up.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 07:42 PM
Naji leaving his man to help on Thompson. Jesus.He left McDermott open to guard a 7 footer at the end of the half too. Ended with a 3.
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drudy23
02-12-2020, 07:42 PM
Would be nice to see a Paul Scruggs sighting. He's been missing for about 6 weeks.
noteggs
02-12-2020, 07:43 PM
Sure that was a ridiculous foul on Q! Need to watch game again to find out how he became the scapegoat for this poor first half performance.
Let it fly fellas and ladies...
bjf123
02-12-2020, 07:44 PM
Scruggs is playing like shit. I guess it's easier to list who's NOT playing like shit so far.
Dontarius?
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Naji is broken.
He got some rim. There! YAY!
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:45 PM
Cant hit the broad side of a barn tonight which sucks since hinkle is ya know a....
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:46 PM
Naji sent his body double to Indy. And his body double is bad at basketball.
X Factor
02-12-2020, 07:46 PM
The dumbness of this team is too much to overcome
bjf123
02-12-2020, 07:46 PM
Stick ‘em with a fork. They’re done.
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Xville
02-12-2020, 07:47 PM
Who the hell is supposed to be guarding Thompson? Geezus
kellernr
02-12-2020, 07:47 PM
Why in the hell is Carter guarding Thompson? Getting destroyed
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Naji sent his body double to Indy. And his body double is bad at basketball.
So........how are we to know the difference?
That feed into the post to Tyrique had zero chance of being successful.
KabeX
02-12-2020, 07:48 PM
OK. On to St. Johns.
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:48 PM
Well didnt think they'd win this one, but they didnt even show up after the first 5 minutes. Sucks because it makes the game Monday way more important than it needs to be.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:48 PM
Would have been nice to be competitive, but not happening tonight.
Big picture the bid is still there for the taking, though it would have been cool to grab this one and start playing for seeding.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 07:48 PM
Would be nice to see a Paul Scruggs sighting. He's been missing for about 6 weeks.The way he has played this year I think he has to come back. Doesnt look ready for the next level
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GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:48 PM
Not that it matters, but if they decide to call a flagrant, does Butler get two shots and the ball? Would seem a bit unfair since they already scored on the possession where the foul should have been called.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:49 PM
I get it's probably the best option at points, but watching this team try to run offense through Tyrique Jones is just excruciating.
whopper
02-12-2020, 07:50 PM
so far we are wasting only one good effort by Tyrique.. Naj, Scruggs, Q, Free, Carter, Tandy. not much at all.. Moore OK. Very strange effort. Then again they are not getting much by Baldwin
A season is a lifetime, and I’m very happy for the last 3 wins. This is frustrating, but I’m going nowhere and excited about the rest of the season and the future of our program!
Mostly.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:51 PM
James must be REALLY bad in practice.
Good, get Kyky the minutes, regardless of the outcome of this game.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 07:54 PM
Concussion protocol (if you can call it that) in CBB is hilarious. They're testing him out in the game atmosphere? Lol.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:54 PM
6-0 run! Unfortunately, that's the equivalent of like a 14-1 run for a competent offensive team.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 07:56 PM
so far we are wasting only one good effort by Tyrique.. Naj, Scruggs, Q, Free, Carter, Tandy. not much at all.. Moore OK. Very strange effort. Then again they are not getting much by BaldwinI think Baldwin got hurt on the same play as thompson. He came up holding his arm and he keeps shaking it around up and down the floor.
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GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 07:57 PM
That's a bad call.
drudy23
02-12-2020, 07:57 PM
Let's effin go!!!!
You have to be excited about the future with Kyky, Freemantle and next year’s class.
Xville
02-12-2020, 07:58 PM
Well, mini run I'll take it.
drudy23
02-12-2020, 07:58 PM
Keep the momentum.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:00 PM
Smits is a foul machine.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:00 PM
This team is so frustrating.
Weirdly, Smits getting fouls is a big development. Doesn't appear Freemantle has a chance to guard him.
I'm down on Butler but very impressed with Nze. He's solid.
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:00 PM
Hell yeah let's go!!!
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:00 PM
Keep driving at the centers. 3 more fouls and they are out if productive bigs
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xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:01 PM
11 minutes to play tougher than Butler. Make these free ones and get Tandy open looks.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:03 PM
I have to go to my kid's basketball game in 15 minutes. This is bullshit!
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:03 PM
Wish Q could at least defend. Let's his guy drive by him every time
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FT’s can be your friend, IF YOU CAN MAKE THEM!
How are we that bad as a team?
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:03 PM
I have to go to my kid's basketball game in 15 minutes. This is bullshit!
Shit, Naji, I didn't mean to throw the game just because I've got to go!
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:04 PM
Ugh naji....someone explain to me why q is in the game? What the heck does he do to play?
scoscox
02-12-2020, 08:04 PM
there's no reason to have q in. none
drudy23
02-12-2020, 08:04 PM
Can't allow this to balloon.
I have to go to my kid's basketball game in 15 minutes. This is bullshit!
Can THEY shoot FT’s??? We just might have an opening.....
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:06 PM
Ugh naji....someone explain to me why q is in the game? What the heck does he do to play?
Did you see that sweet leave for Tyrique for the and-1?!? LOL
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:06 PM
Get Goodin out and out Moore in.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:07 PM
Seriously, Q cannot play anymore.
X Factor
02-12-2020, 08:07 PM
Goodin is awful!!!
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:07 PM
Nice pass q...again why the hell is he in the game
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:08 PM
If Goodin stays in we don’t have a prayer.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:08 PM
Two more fouls Q!
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:08 PM
Please sit Q and bring in Moore. At least he defends
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AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:09 PM
I have defended Goodin to the ends of the earth, but I just have no idea why he's on the floor right now. He can't check Baldwin to top it off.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:09 PM
Is Moore hurt? Wtf? He can guard and at least is a threat to score.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:09 PM
Are we SURE it's too late for Odom to reclassify to class of 2019?
drudy23
02-12-2020, 08:10 PM
Still in striking distance.
Now we cant guard in the paint.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:11 PM
Scruggs has nothing tonight.
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:12 PM
That may do it
bjf123
02-12-2020, 08:13 PM
Dagger
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That may do it
You’ll have to define “it”.
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:13 PM
No reason to be shooting 3s when we have a major advantage inside right now. Ballgame.
Monday becomes huge.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:14 PM
Scruggs learned hes 3pt D from Q.
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stammina0721
02-12-2020, 08:14 PM
No reason to be shooting 3s when we have a major advantage inside right now
But we don't take advantage of it
drudy23
02-12-2020, 08:14 PM
4 seconds on the shot clock and we sag into help defense and allow a kick to an open shooter. So stupid.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:14 PM
That sucks. Scruggs in and out and they bury it. 6 point swing and ball game.
GoMuskies
02-12-2020, 08:14 PM
At least I didn't bet on us tonight! Yay for small victories!
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:14 PM
Scruggs has some serious soul searching to do.
This team is very average, so it's basically impossible to win when one of its key components is a total no show.
No harm to the resume. Xavier can definitely beat Butler at home.
drudy23
02-12-2020, 08:15 PM
Scruggs has some serious soul searching to do.
This team is very average, so it's basically impossible to win when one of its key components is a total no show.
No harm to the resume. Xavier can definitely beat Butler at home.
That's not true - Scruggs has been missing for a while and we've won some games.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:16 PM
That's not true - Scruggs has been missing for a while and we've won some games.True, hes gotten worse every game since he took over as the starting PG.
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AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:16 PM
That's not true - Scruggs has been missing for a while and we've won some games.
I guess "basically impossible" is an overstatement, but it's a pretty bad plan.
bjf123
02-12-2020, 08:17 PM
3-11 vs. 8-19 from three won’t cut it.
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whopper
02-12-2020, 08:17 PM
a guy like tucker can't be planned for..just rises up and gets at least rim so no 24 sec volition chance, and of course he has hit a few daggers. When Naj missed the 2 FT's the air went out of the balloon
stammina0721
02-12-2020, 08:18 PM
I'm really questioning Steele's recruiting eye. Under Mack, Steele was the main recruiter. These are the guys he is picking and they are BB IQ dumb, can't hit a three and can't hit free throws.
I mean come on how have we not had a guy who could hit threes in two years now?
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:19 PM
Marshall needs to string 2 good halves together. Great player but hes not Bluiett who could go scoreless in a half then drop 20+ the next half. He needs to take over early instead of trying to get others involved at the beginning of games.
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RoseyMuskie
02-12-2020, 08:21 PM
Difference has been Baddeley and Scruggs. Didn’t think X would lose that matchup. But got roasted there.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:22 PM
Looking forward to 3 more years of Freemantle but he needs to learn to hold onto rebounds.
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kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:23 PM
Naji hits a 3 to send it to OT and X pulls away to win by 5.
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xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:24 PM
Looking forward to 3 more years of Freemantle but he needs to learn to hold onto rebounds.
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Agree but he probably got fouled on that play. Needed Tandy to hit that wide open 3.
stammina0721
02-12-2020, 08:24 PM
Marshall needs to string 2 good halves together. Great player but hes not Bluiett who could go scoreless in a half then drop 20+ the next half. He needs to take over early instead of trying to get others involved at the beginning of games.
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Nothing great about Naji. He is an okay player but the word great definitely doesn't describe him
6 points, almost 3 minutes left......
scoscox
02-12-2020, 08:26 PM
I'm really questioning Steele's recruiting eye. Under Mack, Steele was the main recruiter. These are the guys he is picking and they are BB IQ dumb, can't hit a three and can't hit free throws.
I mean come on how have we not had a guy who could hit threes in two years now?
the head coach ultimately decides who they want. steele's first class (tandy, freemantle) plays pretty smart for freshmen
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:27 PM
Cant get a stop when we need one...baldwin is clutch
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:29 PM
Absolutely no impact on the outcome (not even in the stratosphere), but it's pretty easy to guard Naji when you can just hack him to the ground.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:29 PM
Don’t know how there wasn’t a foul on the other end, either a charge or a block, but Naji needed to step back and take a 3.
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:29 PM
Freemantle gets murdered and no call....interesting. I pretty much like every other team in the big east and wish them to do well, but butler is effing annoying.
X should get them at home, especially on senior night
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:29 PM
Absolutely no impact on the outcome (not even in the stratosphere), but it's pretty easy to guard Naji when you can just hack him to the ground.I want to complain about the refs but I dont want to sound like uc fan.
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AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:29 PM
the head coach ultimately decides who they want. steele's first class (tandy, freemantle) plays pretty smart for freshmen
Seriously. Plus when people make this argument does Steele get any credit for Bluiett, Macura, O'Mara, etc or no?
the head coach ultimately decides who they want. steele's first class (tandy, freemantle) plays pretty smart for freshmen
Thank you. I don’t put this on Steele. His first class is playing well as freshmen, and next year looks very bright.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:30 PM
Steele needs a new assistant that only works on drawing up plays to get shooters open.
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AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:32 PM
Not fouling in the one and one is absolutely stupid coaching.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:33 PM
Not fouling in the one and one is absolutely stupid coaching.
Why? It saved them 2 points. Score and press now and then foul.
bjf123
02-12-2020, 08:33 PM
Why? It saved them 2 points. Score and press now and then foul.
And cost them 30 seconds they don’t have.
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Does anyone know what we’ve done from the FT line tonight?
stammina0721
02-12-2020, 08:34 PM
Gross part is X is going to win here by more than 10
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 08:34 PM
Why? It saved them 2 points. Score and press now and then foul.
They milked literally half of the remaining clock. Single bonus and two guys who haven't been to the line all night handled the ball. That was terrible.
whopper
02-12-2020, 08:35 PM
I swear this game was surprisingly effected by Scruggs foul in the first 10 seconds of the game..add the second 2 minutes later and we lost him for some reason. Strange.
Lloyd Braun
02-12-2020, 08:36 PM
Covered the final spread!
bleedXblue
02-12-2020, 08:36 PM
Agree but he probably got fouled on that play. Needed Tandy to hit that wide open 3.
Freemantle needs to get WAY more stronger. He too soft with the ball.
Also, was it X +4.5? How do they know???
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:37 PM
Lose by 5...vegas was at 5.5 by gametime..unbelieveable.
That sucked but pretty expected..just have to win monday.
Lloyd Braun
02-12-2020, 08:37 PM
Also, was it X +4.5? How do they know???
Final spread was 5.5
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:37 PM
I don't think Steele has figured out which guys to play yet and the season is almost over. If you want defensive stops you dont put Q out there. Moore gives very little on offense but hes a lock down defender. I don't think moore played at all in the 2nd half and Carter sat ever since the thompson injury.
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xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:37 PM
Have to win at St. John’s and Georgetown and win out at home. That would be 10 wins and probably a 7 seed.
I missed the early foul, but it is the way Scruggs operates. Two early ones is pretty standard. It seems like you could focus on chilling and NOT doing that!
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:39 PM
Freemantle needs to get WAY more stronger. He too soft with the ball.
He will. The time he is getting in this league will do wonders for him once he gets stronger. Very bright future for him.
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:39 PM
That was probably the hardest game left on the schedule on paper so it is what it is.
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:39 PM
I missed the early foul, but it is the way Scruggs operates. Two early ones is pretty standard. It seems like you could focus on chilling and NOT doing that!
The first one was BS. Knocked the ball away Naji would have had an easy dunk.
xudash
02-12-2020, 08:40 PM
Gross part is X is going to win here by more than 10
Exactly what I was thinking. A couple of those Butler tools are going to find our rims less friendly.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:42 PM
Does anyone know what we’ve done from the FT line tonight?7 of 11. Marshall and jones each missed 2. Noone else got to the line tonight. Got their bigs in foul trouble and stoped going inside. Get the ball into Jones and it would have been an easy bucket or they double team and he kicks it out or gets fouled. Dumb play the last 5 minutes.
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Xville
02-12-2020, 08:43 PM
Well, 6 games left...gotta go 4-2
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:43 PM
7 of 11. Marshall and jones each missed 2. Noone else got to the line tonight. Got their bigs in foul trouble and stoped going inside. Get the ball into Jones and it would have been an easy bucket or they double team and he kicks it out or gets fouled. Dumb play the last 5 minutes.
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Yes some definite head scratchers. Need to get Scruggs back at some point. Lost the game the last 4 minutes of the first half.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:43 PM
That was probably the hardest game left on the schedule on paper so it is what it is.Still have nova away. If they're hitting their 3s it will be ugly.
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drudy23
02-12-2020, 08:44 PM
Have to go 4-2 the rest of the way. That won't be easy.
xumadman
02-12-2020, 08:46 PM
We can beat Butler. When Naji missed those two free throws on our comeback it hit it hard. Then they called a ghost offensive foul on Freemantle wiping out a great putback to bring it down to 6. We are good. We'll be alright.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:46 PM
The first one was BS. Knocked the ball away Naji would have had an easy dunk.I would need to go back watch it but I looked like a clean poke but then Scruggs grabbed him as he turned to recover the ball. I dont think the 2nd one was a foul. The guard dropped his shoulder into Paul while Scruggs was playing straight up.
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xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:46 PM
Well, 6 games left...gotta go 4-2
Agree. Will probably lose at Providence so will have to go at least 2-1 at home and and win at St Johns and Georgetown. 3-3 would be dicey and 2-4 would be a disaster.
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:47 PM
Still have nova away. If they're hitting their 3s it will be ugly.
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Nova is at home
xavierj
02-12-2020, 08:47 PM
Still have nova away. If they're hitting their 3s it will be ugly.
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Nova is a home game.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:49 PM
Yes some definite head scratchers. Need to get Scruggs back at some point. Lost the game the last 4 minutes of the first half.I'm still waiting for the switch to flip for Q. Did for Jones and he has been the heart and soul of this team the last few weeks. His skill set is driving the lane and drawing contact but all he does now is drive to the baseline and pick up his dribble. Had so many opportunities to drive the lane to get to 1000pts but didnt have an attempt all game. The way they were hacking he would have feasted at the line.
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xukeith
02-12-2020, 08:50 PM
Tough game. X defense brought them back into it at the end. Those Butler white boys chuck in some serious 3's.
X will win at Cintas.
X will beat Villanova to seal the at large bid.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:50 PM
Nova is at homeFor some reason I thought we opened at home this year.
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Lloyd Braun
02-12-2020, 08:50 PM
How many fouls did Jones draw? I counted 8 but probably missed at least 1.
N67ER
02-12-2020, 08:51 PM
We got nothing from Q. Very little from KyKy or Carter. Scruggs ends up with 3 points and zero rebounds! Yikes! What is going on with Scruggs?
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:52 PM
We got nothing from Q. Very little from KyKy or Carter. Scruggs ends up with 3 points and zero rebounds! Yikes! What is going on with Scruggs?Maybe he knocked someone up too.
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bleedXblue
02-12-2020, 08:52 PM
Still have nova away. If they're hitting their 3s it will be ugly.
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Nova is at home
Lloyd Braun
02-12-2020, 08:54 PM
Still have nova away. If they're hitting their 3s it will be ugly.
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Hey- Nova is at home
kellernr
02-12-2020, 08:54 PM
Nova is at homeThat's already been covered
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The first rule of D1 basketball is, for as long as I can remember, Xavier ALWAYS gets bad officiating @ Hinkle. From MCC to A10 to BE.
bleedXblue
02-12-2020, 08:57 PM
The first rule of D1 basketball is, for as long as I can remember, Xavier ALWAYS gets bad officiating @ Hinkle. From MCC to A10 to BE.
That had little to do with the loss. A few bad calls, but our guards played horribly and Carter gave us nothing.
sgarcia
02-12-2020, 08:57 PM
]I'm still waiting for the switch to flip for Q[/B]. Did for Jones and he has been the heart and soul of this team the last few weeks. His skill set is driving the lane and drawing contact but all he does now is drive to the baseline and pick up his dribble. Had so many opportunities to drive the lane to get to 1000pts but didnt have an attempt all game. The way they were hacking he would have feasted at the line.
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The switch isn’t going to flip for Q. He’ll have 1 or 2 more decent games. People will come on here thinking he’s back and the following game he will be below average. If he was playing good defense I’d have more hope for him but he isn’t good on that end either.
Xville
02-12-2020, 08:58 PM
Going on another 3-0 run would pretty much seal the at large...let's do that.
N67ER
02-12-2020, 08:59 PM
X will win at Cintas.
X will beat Villanova to seal the at large bid.
Agrée. Very unlikely that four of our players (Q, Carter, KyKy, Scruggs) will all repeat those terrible performances a second time at home.
kellernr
02-12-2020, 09:00 PM
That had little to do with the loss. A few bad calls, but our guards played horribly and Carter gave us nothing.Why did Steele sit him after the inadvertent hit on thompson? Did Steele feel bad that he got knocked out of the game so he sat Carter the last 10 minutes? He did the same thing against marquette after howard ran into freemantles elbow. Zack didnt return to the game until the last minute or so.
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kellernr
02-12-2020, 09:03 PM
The switch isn’t going to flip for Q. He’ll have 1 or 2 more decent games. People will come on here thinking he’s back and the following game he will be below average. If he was playing good defense I’d have more hope for him but he isn’t good on that end either.Hes a senior and still drops under every screen instead of going over it giving his guy an open shot most of the time. I'm not a Moore fan but he needs to take over all of Qs minutes going forward. His 3pt shot seems to be dropping more frequently lately and hes a damn good defender. Q played 26 minutes to his 12 tonight. Flip those minutes and it's a different game on the defensive end.
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kellernr
02-12-2020, 09:04 PM
Going on another 3-0 run would pretty much seal the at large...let's do that.This app needs a like button
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That had little to do with the loss. A few bad calls, but our guards played horribly and Carter gave us nothing.
Maybe so, but all the Butler fans I know, unfortunately for me, a lot of them, have always thought X was a bunch of goons. I'm sure Jordan get in the refs ears pregame to watch our rough play. They even talked about it on the sports talk show I was listening to this am.
whopper
02-12-2020, 09:06 PM
Baddeney with 9, tucker with 11, smits with 4 killed us. The eye test with no score visible would have told me it is a 7-9 point win by Butler. With Scruggs did not get that first foul as he was lost and we had a poor substitute pattern all night
That had little to do with the loss. A few bad calls, but our guards played horribly and Carter gave us nothing.
Maybe so, but all the Butler fans I know, unfortunately for me, a lot of them, have always thought X was a bunch of goons. I'm sure Jordan get in the refs ears pregame to watch our rough play. They even talked about it on the sports talk show I was listening to this am.
AviatorX
02-12-2020, 09:06 PM
This team is definitely good enough to win the road games at St. John's (will be a morgue), Providence and Georgetown (is always a morgue).
On to the next. That was the toughest game left on the schedule. I'm feeling 5-1.
bleedXblue
02-12-2020, 09:11 PM
Maybe so, but all the Butler fans I know, unfortunately for me, a lot of them, have always thought X was a bunch of goons. I'm sure Jordan get in the refs ears pregame to watch our rough play. They even talked about it on the sports talk show I was listening to this am.
Not sure where you are going with this? Fouls were called dead even at 16. Butler and Xavier fans don't like each other. Butler fans are also a bunch of whining, crying babies most of the time. I wouldn't worry about it.
Backyard Champ
02-12-2020, 09:13 PM
This team is definitely good enough to win the road games at St. John's (will be a morgue), Providence and Georgetown (is always a morgue).
On to the next. That was the toughest game left on the schedule. I'm feeling 5-1.
I actually don’t think we played that poorly tonight. The end of the first half/beginning of the second obviously killed us. While officiating wasn’t the difference, I think Xavier got way more 50/50 calls called against them. That put back by Freemantle was a terrible call. Instances like that can really swing momentum.
And got to hand it to Butler, they made some difficult shots even with Xavier playing some pretty good defense on those shots.
This game actually made me really confident that we will beat them at Cintas.
drudy23
02-12-2020, 09:15 PM
Is the Nova game at home?
Backyard Champ
02-12-2020, 09:15 PM
Yes
Lloyd Braun
02-12-2020, 09:16 PM
Baldwin doesn’t go 3-11 again however.... will be a tough game at home too
Hes a senior and still drops under every screen instead of going over it giving his guy an open shot most of the time. I'm not a Moore fan but he needs to take over all of Qs minutes going forward. His 3pt shot seems to be dropping more frequently lately and hes a damn good defender. Q played 26 minutes to his 12 tonight. Flip those minutes and it's a different game on the defensive and offensive end.
Fixed it for you.
It’s best not to get too high after a win, or too low after a loss.
bleedXblue
02-12-2020, 09:29 PM
is the nova game at home?
lol
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