How does this affect the NET

[OTRMUSKIE]

Does a road win vs a top 10 team by 12 points worth more then a road win vs Fordham by 12 points? EFFECT EFFECT EFFECT EFFECT EFFECT. Won’t let me change it.

[xukeith]

It is a Q1 win and a road win. It beats the alternative.

X needs either 5 or 6 more conference wins to build a reputable resume for an at large bid. Heck, win 3 BE tourney games and punch your own ticket, Defense travels.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Oh that’s right I forgot about the quad system. Just go 6-3 rest of the way. Honestly they should be able to do that. Only games that I see losses are @Butler and home vs Nova. Rest of the games they can win. Of course I’m getting a head of myself. This team sucked up until 3 hours ago. But I’m pumped.

[Juice]

X went from 58 to 51 on Kenpom. Don't know about NET.

[bleedXblue]

I don't really pay much attention to this. Just gotta win and get to 20.

[bjf123]

Go 6-3 the rest of the way and we’re dancing (I think).


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[bleedXblue]

Go 6-3 the rest of the way and we’re dancing (I think).


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without any question

[IM4X]

Go 6-3 the rest of the way and we’re dancing (I think).


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Go on a 10 game winning steak (like SH just had) and leave no doubt!

[X-band '01]

One game alone won't affect the NET as much at this point in the season.

But with the second half of Big East play about to begin, the schedule is considerably lighter compared to the first half. Villanova and Butler at home and Butler on the road are the three biggest games - games at St. John's/Georgetown and the home-and-homes against DePaul and Providence are tough but eminently winnable. Gonna need to sweep one of them to at least get to .500 in the Big East - X is a game behind last year's pace because of getting swept against both Marquette and Creighton, though.

[xukeith]

Do we care who wins tomorrow's SJU Georgetown game?

[Blue Blooded-05]

Question for people who understand this stuff better than I do...

If McKnight’s injury turns out to be season ending and SH begins to struggle, how will this win hold up?

[xu82]

Question for people who understand this stuff better than I do...

If McKnight’s injury turns out to be season ending and SH begins to struggle, how will this win hold up?

It will hurt us long term if they struggle as a result, but that’s not my first reason for hating it. I feel for the young man and his family. I also hope it’s a short term injury and he can come back and help represent the BE this season.

[AviatorX]

Question for people who understand this stuff better than I do...

If McKnight’s injury turns out to be season ending and SH begins to struggle, how will this win hold up?

Would require an absolute collapse for Seton Hall to not end up a Q1 win.

[GoMuskies]

Moved up 14 spots to 47. One spot behind UC.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Win next two which the odds are decent I say but not great giving this years history and the fact DePaul is good this year, X could be in top 30. Amazing how one win changes a season. All this can come
To an abrupt end Tuesday.

[xukeith]

Win next two which the odds are decent I say but not great giving this years history and the fact DePaul is good this year, X could be in top 30. Amazing how one win changes a season. All this can come
To an abrupt end Tuesday.

DePaul is extremely good. Hoping X steals one from them .

[bjf123]

DePaul is extremely good. Hoping X steals one from them .

Let’s hope there’s not an emotional letdown after the big win at SH.


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[XU 87]

Moved up 14 spots to 47. One spot behind UC.

I would think a 47 NET ranking places X on or maybe even a little above the bubble. Amazing what one win can do.

[X-band '01]

DePaul is extremely good. Hoping X steals one from them .

Wouldn't say extremely good, but certainly much improved. Charlie Moore is the most underrated transfer into the Big East this season.

[xukeith]

Wouldn't say extremely good, but certainly much improved. Charlie Moore is the most underrated transfer into the Big East this season.
They give every team except Creighton hell to pay. by scaring the team and losing.

[GoMuskies]

I would think a 47 NET ranking places X on or maybe even a little above the bubble. Amazing what one win can do.

Either way, right in the mix again. All we can ask for after our struggles.

[stammina0721]

They give every team except Creighton hell to pay. by scaring the team and losing.

Well Tuesday is must win territory... May see X is the last 4 out territory if they win the next 2 games. Must be 5-6 in conference going in to Butler anything less is Doom for this team. Man that Marquette game really stings now

[stammina0721]

Either way, right in the mix again. All we can ask for after our struggles.

This. Have a chance. Can easily blow it but at least a chance is there. If there is a repeat of last February then X will be in. Let's hope this team has it in them to rattle off 6 in a row like they did last year

[stammina0721]

One more thing. 66.7% of the conference losses have come against 2 teams. Maybe X matches up better with everyone else... Only time will tell

[GoMuskies]

Just dominate Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, and DePaul, and we're all set.

[stammina0721]

Just dominate Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, and DePaul, and we're all set.

That means losing twice to Butler. I can't accept that lol

[kellernr]

That means losing twice to Butler. I can't accept that lol

X sweeps Butler this year.

[UCGRAD4X]

I'm confused.

We should be more concerned with what affects on the rim than net.

:dizzy:

[XUOHTX]

I'm confused.

We should be more concerned with what affects on the rim than net.

:dizzy:

Ban

[UCGRAD4X]

Ban

Harsh toke dude!

[OTRMUSKIE]

How much will our net jump up now? I’m thinking we move up to 44 maybe 41 at the lowest? Quad 1 road win!!! Just win 5 more games and we are dancing. 5-3 with 4 winnable games. You just have to pull out that 5th win somehow. I don’t buy the what if vs Marquette. I think if we won that game maybe we don’t beat hall. That double OT loss was
The catalyst to get us over the hump.

[Xville]

Up to 44 this morning. Beat Providence Saturday and this gets really fun!

[OTRMUSKIE]

Only moved up 3 with a quad 1 road win. Beating the priest Saturday won’t be a significant jump. Maybe 3 spots.

[sgarcia]

I wouldn't count on Depaul and TCU being Q1 wins by seasons end. They could easily go out of the top 75.

[xubrew]

I wouldn't worry too much about the actual NET ranking. Whether it's 31 or 44 or 47 or 36 or whatever, it's all about the same in the eyes of the committee.

Having said that, I don't think there is a team in the nation that has looked better than Xavier in the last four days. (minus the last three minutes of last night's game). We blew two teams out on the road, and one of them was a solid protected seed!

[nuts4xu]

With the NET being so new, does anyone (Brew, I'm looking at you pal) have a feel for what NET ranking is "safely in the tournament"? Do we need to get higher than 40 to be a lock? Maybe 30?

[STL_XUfan]

With the NET being so new, does anyone (Brew, I'm looking at you pal) have a feel for what NET ranking is "safely in the tournament"? Do we need to get higher than 40 to be a lock? Maybe 30?

How everyone is talking about it, it feels like the RPI, in that your NET really won't matter, it will be the Net of your opponents. I think the bubble will be sorted out by "good wins" and "bad losses" rather than your number.

[waggy]

I think it's less about the NET and more about where X finishes in the BE standings. They need to finish at least 6th ahead of Providence.

[XUOHTX]

I think it's less about the NET and more about where X finishes in the BE standings. They need to finish at least 6th ahead of Providence.

There might be something to this. It feels like the magic number for the BE this year is 6 bids.

[xubrew]

With the NET being so new, does anyone (Brew, I'm looking at you pal) have a feel for what NET ranking is "safely in the tournament"? Do we need to get higher than 40 to be a lock? Maybe 30?

Not to sidestep the question, but I really don't think there is one.

To give you an idea of how it works, the ten committee members start off by listing all the teams (up to 36) that they feel belong in the field no matter what. And when they're doing that, they're probably really not looking at one specific thing. They have weekly meetings and reports all season long, and by that time they know who it is that they feel should definitely be in. Any team that gets 8 votes is in the field. So, about 30ish teams are put in on the first night before they really start looking at anything. IF you're not in on that first ballot, then in my opinion you're not really a lock, because after that who knows what they'll do or why they'll do it?

NC State was in the low 30s last year and was (correctly) left out. They had no home wins against anyone with a winning road record, and no road wins against anyone who was close to making the field. They went nuts because they said they should have been in because their NET was so good, but if nothing else is good then it ain't gonna happen. We later learned that NC State was not only not selected, but wasn't even being considered for selection. And they were in the 30s.

Now, if your NET is like 13th, then it's almost impossible to have not beaten any good teams, or won on the road, or played a tough schedule, or done all the things that the committee generally likes to see, so you can look at that NET and say they're getting in, but in most cases I really don't think the committee is really even looking at the NET. In fact there are a couple of them (one in particular) that repeatedly needed the RPI explained to them. Forget them understanding how the NET actually works.

[scoscox]

A good example would be UC this year. Their metrics are pretty solid and probably tournament worthy but their resume is atrocious. Not even close to a tournament resume from that standpoint

[xubrew]

A good example would be UC this year. Their metrics are pretty solid and probably tournament worthy but their resume is atrocious. Not even close to a tournament resume from that standpoint

If they can win their next three then it will look a lot better. If they can't then the NET will drop some. Generally speaking (not always, but generally) it all starts to look kind of consistent by the end.

[xcellentx]

I think it's less about the NET and more about where X finishes in the BE standings. They need to finish at least 6th ahead of Providence.

Our Net number isn't super important, but it would be good if it was in the 30's or 40's at worst. If it is up in the 60's like it was before that is atleast a red flag.

The committee has shown in the past that they don't really care about the conference standings. There are so many things that go into that, and it ignores out of conference games. Providence probably needs to get to 11 conference wins to have a chance to get in, we would could possibly get in at 7-11 and are very likely to get in at 8-10.

The main thing we need is for Wake to remain a Q2 loss, and ideally win a game against either Butler or Nova. We don't need those wins, but they would definitely strengthen our resume.

[Xville]

As of right now, looks like x has 5 more q1 chances, is that right?

@butler
Nova
@st John's
@georgetown
Butler

St John's is on the edge so we will see if they hold up. Regardless, win 3 of those and that should out them in great shape.

When x does get in, I hope the committee puts x in the 7-10 game with louisville being the 2. We all know how much mack loves losing the first weekend as a high seed, might as well be to x. :)

[xcellentx]

If they can win their next three then it will look a lot better. If they can't then the NET will drop some. Generally speaking (not always, but generally) it all starts to look kind of consistent by the end.

UC's main problem is 3 Q3 losses and no Q1 wins. I think they only have 2 Q1 chances left as well.

[sirthought]

UC's main problem is 3 Q3 losses and no Q1 wins. I think they only have 2 Q1 chances left as well.

Tied for 2nd in their conference, which their momentum suggests they'll either stay or rise. We'll see how they do tomorrow night. In conference games, UC is playing more efficient in both offense and defense over Wichita State. On offense by a fair margin. So, if they can get that Q1 game on the road it's going to help them a good deal. Many bracketology folks have them either last four in or last four out...right there with XU.

XU is sitting stronger today, but I think their next stretch of games is more challenging. Getting a couple of these away games will really help the cause. A miracle win against Nova will seal it IMO.

[bleedXblue]

As of right now, looks like x has 5 more q1 chances, is that right?

@butler
Nova
@st John's
@georgetown
Butler

St John's is on the edge so we will see if they hold up. Regardless, win 3 of those and that should out them in great shape.

When x does get in, I hope the committee puts x in the 7-10 game with louisville being the 2. We all know how much mack loves losing the first weekend as a high seed, might as well be to x. :)

I was thinking the same exact thing........Just have a feeling we might get that chance........and it would be close to home.....

[AviatorX]

Tied for 2nd in their conference, which their momentum suggests they'll either stay or rise. We'll see how they do tomorrow night. In conference games, UC is playing more efficient in both offense and defense over Wichita State. On offense by a fair margin. So, if they can get that Q1 game on the road it's going to help them a good deal. Many bracketology folks have them either last four in or last four out...right there with XU.

XU is sitting stronger today, but I think their next stretch of games is more challenging. Getting a couple of these away games will really help the cause. A miracle win against Nova will seal it IMO.

I don't think a win over Nova would be a miracle. I actually wouldn't be shocked if the line is close to even in that game (barring X not re-collapsing ahead of that).

[GoMuskies]

I think they only have 2 Q1 chances left as well.

I just got my neighbor's tickets for tonight, so I'll be in the building doing my part to prevent UC from getting a Q1 win.

[Blue Blooded-05]

When x does get in, I hope the committee puts x in the 7-10 game with louisville being the 2. We all know how much mack loves losing the first weekend as a high seed, might as well be to x. :)

It will be 7-10, but it will be against Dayton

[xubrew]

Not sure which is geographically closer to Xavier, Cleveland or Saint Louis, but Louisville will probably be sent to Saint Louis and Dayton will probably be sent to Cleveland (if things keep going like they have been, anyway).

Another thing that people probably don't realize is that a computer pretty much tells the committee where to send the teams. They go down the seedlist, and as each team comes up it tells them what the closest location is that doesn't break any bracketing rules, and that's where the committee places the team. People don't believe this, but it's true. They really aren't even conscious of what the actual match-ups are until after they're done. That's why it's not hard for them to come up with five, or six, or even eight different brackets to take into account all the games happening on the last day. Once they get the seedlist finished, the bracketing process pretty much requires zero thought or effort.

[xukeith]

With the NET being so new, does anyone (Brew, I'm looking at you pal) have a feel for what NET ranking is "safely in the tournament"? Do we need to get higher than 40 to be a lock? Maybe 30?

having flashbacks of A10 days each January-March analyzing the rpi and arguing seeds and quality opponents to make X look better.

[xukeith]

Tyrique vs. Obi. Could get ugly.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I wouldn’t want to touch VD this year. However, how awesome would it be to end their magical season. That would be the final F U to that sh$tty program. Not going to happen but it would be fun.

[UCGRAD4X]

I wouldn’t want to touch VD this year. However, how awesome would it be to end their magical season. That would be the final F U to that sh$tty program. Not going to happen but it would be fun.

Is there another year in which you WOULD prefer to come in contact with a sexually transmitted disease?

[JTG]

I wouldn’t want to touch VD this year. However, how awesome would it be to end their magical season. That would be the final F U to that sh$tty program. Not going to happen but it would be fun.

I would much rather ruin UL's season than VD's. Send that baldheaded prick a message.

[Masterofreality]

Not sure which is geographically closer to Xavier, Cleveland or Saint Louis, but Louisville will probably be sent to Saint Louis and Dayton will probably be sent to Cleveland (if things keep going like they have been, anyway).

Oh, Gawd. PLEASE NO!! We're gonna be infected with VD up here??
Say it ain't so!!!

And Cleveland is closer to Xavier than St. Louis. Cleveland 240 miles, St. Louis 350 miles.

[X-band '01]

If Xavier continues to roll, they'd be the LAST team that Dayton wants to see in a pod up there. They'd never live it down if we ruined their dream season.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Is there really any reason for The best coach ever to leave Xavier? The more I think about it and see what Mark Few has done at Gonzaga the more I hate that bald headed prick down south. It’s your dream job to coach Louisville? I can’t wait to watch you get knocked out early this year. After watching VD today I would like to play them in the tournament. They are a paper tiger. They have sweet 16 ability for sure but is that consider good anymore?

[stammina0721]

Is there really any reason for The best coach ever to leave Xavier? The more I think about it and see what Mark Few has done at Gonzaga the more I hate that bald headed prick down south. It’s your dream job to coach Louisville? I can’t wait to watch you get knocked out early this year. After watching VD today I would like to play them in the tournament. They are a paper tiger. They have sweet 16 ability for sure but is that consider good anymore?

Yes that's always considered good.

[stammina0721]

But I for one would love to punish VD again. Just need to pull off a few more wins and we may get our chance. Win at Butler and X is flirting with the 7-8 line

[xudash]

Is there really any reason for The best coach ever to leave Xavier? The more I think about it and see what Mark Few has done at Gonzaga the more I hate that bald headed prick down south. It’s your dream job to coach Louisville? I can’t wait to watch you get knocked out early this year. After watching VD today I would like to play them in the tournament. They are a paper tiger. They have sweet 16 ability for sure but is that consider good anymore?

I haven’t watched VD play this season. I have caught their scores, running on the ticker on TV or in the newspapers. Especially with respect to their very weak A10 schedule, they certainly don’t appear to be dominating that conference with respect to scoring margins.

We would probably only beat them by 10 this year instead of by 29.

[xubrew]

Getting back to the original question and thread title, nothing Dayton or Louisville does really has any impact at all on our NET or our overall tournament chances.

[xavierj]

[QUOTE=xubrew;666354]Getting back to the original question and thread title, nothing Dayton or Louisville does really has any impact at all on our NET or our overall tournament chances.[/

Unless Wake would face and beat Louisville in the ACC tourney, then it could...

[GIMMFD]

I haven’t watched VD play this season. I have caught their scores, running on the ticker on TV or in the newspapers. Especially with respect to their very weak A10 schedule, they certainly don’t appear to be dominating that conference with respect to scoring margins.

We would probably only beat them by 10 this year instead of by 29.

They did take Kansas to OT in the Maui Invitational, and only lost by 6, I don't know, would be interested into seeing who'd match up with Toppin, since he can go inside and outside, if you put Naji on him he's gonna get bullied in the post, if you put Rique on him, will he be agile enough to contain him on the perimeter.


Getting back to the original question and thread title, nothing Dayton or Louisville does really has any impact at all on our NET or our overall tournament chances.

We're up to 45 in the NET now though, definitely improved the hell out of our tournament chances from that 3 game streak, file that in: you gotta love it.

[whopper]

I just looked at Wake box, Scruggs great game and Dahmir Bishop had 2 and played a bit..Freemantel 1 and KyKy 0-4 with no points. How things have changed.
[QUOTE=xubrew;666354]Getting back to the original question and thread title, nothing Dayton or Louisville does really has any impact at all on our NET or our overall tournament chances.[/

Unless Wake would face and beat Louisville in the ACC tourney, then it could...

[noteggs]

TCU’s current slide has affected our ranking as well. Think they dropped 30 spots to 80 over the last several weeks and bringing our Q1 win to Q2.

[Xville]

Think x would jump significantly into the 30s if they happen to get past Butler but think that is a tough order at hinkle. We shall see!

Would love to go 2-0 over the next 8 days and give themselves a bit of a cushion but think the team can afford to go 1-1.

Feels that the season has been so long yet so short at the same time---odd.

[xubrew]

Unless Wake would face and beat Louisville in the ACC tourney, then it could...


Yes, but not really. The impact would be so small that it's pretty much of no consequence. It's a small part for one of the five variables that goes into the NET. If they used an adjusted efficiency rating instead of just a straight up efficiency rating then it would have a small impact on two of the variables, but even with that it wouldn't matter much.

[waggy]

Yes, but not really. The impact would be so small that it's pretty much of no consequence. It's a small part for one of the five variables that goes into the NET. If they used an adjusted efficiency rating instead of just a straight up efficiency rating then it would have a small impact on two of the variables, but even with that it wouldn't matter much.

So you have a link to the formula?

[GIMMFD]

So you have a link to the formula?

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking

[paulxu]

That's not a formula. It's a list of components.

[xubrew]

That's not a formula. It's a list of components.

The NET is more of an algorithm. There is a bit of an AI component to it. It's five variables that are all factored in differently for each team depending on where they rank. in other words if a team's rankings in each variable are 4, 6, 175, 11, 9, then the 175 will be considered an outlier and valued way less. You can just work out the five variables and probably get close enough because the NET, like the RPI before it, is only really used as a sorting tool and doesn't really decide much of anything in and of itself, but replicating it exactly, even when told exactly how to do it, is still something that most people wouldn't understand how to do.

[waggy]

I guess not.

[paulxu]

The NET is more of an algorithm. There is a bit of an AI component to it. It's five variables that are all factored in differently for each team depending on where they rank. in other words if a team's rankings in each variable are 4, 6, 175, 11, 9, then the 175 will be considered an outlier and valued way less. You can just work out the five variables and probably get close enough because the NET, like the RPI before it, is only really used as a sorting tool and doesn't really decide much of anything in and of itself, but replicating it exactly, even when told exactly how to do it, is still something that most people wouldn't understand how to do.

Just because someone might not understand it, is no reason to keep it secret.
What's the big deal? Release the formula/algorithm.

[xubrew]

Just because someone might not understand it, is no reason to keep it secret.
What's the big deal? Release the formula/algorithm.

I agree, but not enough to really give all that much of a crap. It's my understanding that they intend to release it eventually, but wanted to wait until everyone who was on the committee when it was first rolled out has cycled off of it, and basically had no one remaining who had ever used both. I'm sure there is a reason for that. I'm equally as sure that the reason is ridiculous. But...whatever.

[xukeith]

stupid. very stupid.
Why hide the formula? Transparency is needed.

[xubrew]

I think they're only really hiding it from the media. If an AD wanted it explained to them, they'd probably do it.

[xukeith]

Maybe some coaches had it explained to them.
I know our coach thinks it is a joke with secrecy. Warrennolan has a NET setting but no formula

[xubrew]

Maybe some coaches had it explained to them.
I know our coach thinks it is a joke with secrecy. Warrennolan has a NET setting but no formula

If Warren Nolan figures out the formula then I don't think he's going to publish it. Why would he? I think he knows it, or has it close enough to where he can guess at it and at least get the rankings either exactly right or pretty close to right.

[waggy]

Nolan is simply copying and pasting the rankings for people like Keith.

[xavierj]

Xavier moved up from 44 to 41 in the net yesterday without playing. Finish strong and win all the home games and get 1 or 2 on the road, they should finish will a really strong Net ranking.

[whopper]

I am going to game tomorrow as live in Conn and am worried. The game against Providence was crazy, they turned PC over a LOT and converted to points, and did not seem to care if they did not get the TO and Providence scored. It was just a numbers game for St Johns and I can see our high dribbler getting stripped (a number against PC were from wraparounds from behind which is not that common anymore). Everyone must value the ball and not chase fools gold. I bet I will see a lot in warmup about our focus. G-Town, Providence, and St Johns on road will each be tough (man everything in Big East is tough)

[Xville]

Computers starting to like xavier more and more. Net at 39, kenpom at 42. Hopefully they keep the momentum tonight and secure another what would be a q1 win.

[Masterofreality]

Computers starting to like xavier more and more. Net at 39, kenpom at 42. Hopefully they keep the momentum tonight and secure another what would be a q1 win.

Torvik has X at 36.

[Masterofreality]

And for anyone freaking out about SucKS winning vs us.

Clifton Community College won two games last week. They dropped from 48 to 51 in the NET.
Xavier lost last week and moved from 41 to 39 in the NET.

The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC sucks. The Big East is awesome.

[Xville]

The net is weird...get a q1 win and dont move at all. Maybe there will be some movement once more games are played tonight and Wednesday

[bleedXblue]

Just need to keep winning..........the rest takes care of it itself.

We have 5 games left. 3-2 gets it done. 4-1 positions us for no worse than an 8 seed.

[Xville]

Just need to keep winning..........the rest takes care of it itself.

We have 5 games left. 3-2 gets it done. 4-1 positions us for no worse than an 8 seed.

True....give me a 10,11 or 7 though. I think there is a gigantic drop off after the 1 seeds and frankly I'd rather x just not play any of them. I know people poo poo sdsu and gonzaga because God forbid they dont play in a top conference. However both of them look to me like pretty complete teams.

Getting ahead of myself but just saying, if x is going to make the tourney, might as well be in a position to advance as much as they can.

[bleedXblue]

True....give me a 10,11 or 7 though. I think there is a gigantic drop off after the 1 seeds and frankly I'd rather x just not play any of them. I know people poo poo sdsu and gonzaga because God forbid they dont play in a top conference. However both of them look to me like pretty complete teams.

Getting ahead of myself but just saying, if x is going to make the tourney, might as well be in a position to advance as much as they can.

Don't want 8-9 either, but that also means we likely finished the year strong.........

[Xville]

Don't want 8-9 either, but that also means we likely finished the year strong.........

After thinking about it, I dont want x to play duke in Greensboro either lol. Give us dayton as the 2.

[XU3232]

I think 2 more wins gets us in. I'd be thrilled with X as an 11 seed as I really don't like the 8-10 spot.

[xubrew]

The net is weird...get a q1 win and dont move at all. Maybe there will be some movement once more games are played tonight and Wednesday

Similar to the RPI, an opponent's NET doesn't have any direct impact on your own NET. They use something similar to an ELO Chess rating (although this obviously isn't chess, but the concept is the same). The further ahead of someone you are, the less you move up for a win and the more you move down for a loss. And, vice versa. So if the Johnnies' ELO was in the 90s and Xavier's was in the 30s, then even beating them on the road isn't going to budge the NET all that much. Simply put, at least with an ELO rating, you don't move down if you lose to teams ahead of you, and you don't move up by beating teams below you you. That's basically of the concept.

But, it was still a REALLY big win. I think people are getting a little too caught up in the NET ranking. In and of itself, it isn't totally irrelevant, but it's pretty close. Road wins against teams with good home records are NOT irrelevant. It was still a VERY important win.

[GetUp5]

After thinking about it, I dont want x to play duke in Greensboro either lol. Give us dayton as the 2.

Definitely would rather play Dayton than any of the 1's, but even as an avid Dayton hater, I can admit they are LEGIT this year. Would prefer to stay far, far away from them.

[GoMuskies]

If Xavier is in the tournament, I'll be happy. And the lower the number the better. Always.

[scoscox]

Definitely would rather play Dayton than any of the 1's, but even as an avid Dayton hater, I can admit they are LEGIT this year. Would prefer to stay far, far away from them.

Would be funny as hell if we beat them tho

[Xville]

Definitely would rather play Dayton than any of the 1's, but even as an avid Dayton hater, I can admit they are LEGIT this year. Would prefer to stay far, far away from them.

Yeah they are legit, and I think they can certainly go deep in the tourney, but then again I look on the sidelines and anthony grant is still their coach. 11 years as head coach and 3 tourney invites with 1 whole win does give me some pause.

[bleedXblue]

Yeah they are legit, and I think they can certainly go deep in the tourney, but then again I look on the sidelines and anthony grant is still their coach. 11 years as head coach and 3 tourney invites with 1 whole win does give me some pause.

They would want no part of us and WE would want this very badly I think....as a team.

[AviatorX]

Yeah they are legit, and I think they can certainly go deep in the tourney, but then again I look on the sidelines and anthony grant is still their coach. 11 years as head coach and 3 tourney invites with 1 whole win does give me some pause.

Totally agree with this angle. Xavier got a great draw in their last Elite 8 run, but looking down the sideline in that first round 11/6 game and seeing Mark Turgeon made things comfortable from the tip.

[xcellentx]

Similar to the RPI, an opponent's NET doesn't have any direct impact on your own NET. They use something similar to an ELO Chess rating (although this obviously isn't chess, but the concept is the same). The further ahead of someone you are, the less you move up for a win and the more you move down for a loss. And, vice versa. So if the Johnnies' ELO was in the 90s and Xavier's was in the 30s, then even beating them on the road isn't going to budge the NET all that much. Simply put, at least with an ELO rating, you don't move down if you lose to teams ahead of you, and you don't move up by beating teams below you you. That's basically of the concept.

But, it was still a REALLY big win. I think people are getting a little too caught up in the NET ranking. In and of itself, it isn't totally irrelevant, but it's pretty close. Road wins against teams with good home records are NOT irrelevant. It was still a VERY important win.

This site has a NET ranking tracker that goes back 2 months to see how it moves. Before beating SH we were 61 and then moved up to 47 after beating them which helps enforce your point.

It is important to remember that none of this happens in a vacuum. Every game is effecting the ranking so movement doesn't always happen dramatically.

Anyways, how St John's NET number is effected is more important to us for the most part than our own number. Hopefully they and DePaul can stay in the top 75. It wouldn't be a killer if they both moved down to a Q2 win, but it would be much better for them to stay Q1.

[xubrew]

They would want no part of us and WE would want this very badly I think....as a team.

That might be how the fans feel, but I don't think any of the players on either team care or are even really aware that it used to be a rivalry. To them it's no different than playing anybody else.

[bleedXblue]

That might be how the fans feel, but I don't think any of the players on either team care or are even really aware that it used to be a rivalry. To them it's no different than playing anybody else.

On the surface I agree. But I also think that the players would be made well aware of the history between both schools prior to playing.

[xudash]

On the surface I agree. But I also think that the players would be made well aware of the history between both schools prior to playing.

You don't think they would be made aware of it, you KNOW they would be made aware of it.

[xubrew]

On the surface I agree. But I also think that the players would be made well aware of the history between both schools prior to playing.

Even if they are, I don't think they'll really care about any of that. The history has nothing to do with them because none of them were really ever a part of it. That's how they'll see it. To them it'll all about trying to get to the next round of the NCAA Tournament.

[bleedXblue]

Even if they are, I don't think they'll really care about any of that. The history has nothing to do with them because none of them were really ever a part of it. That's how they'll see it. To them it'll all about trying to get to the next round of the NCAA Tournament.

LOL, you don't think the players care about the alumni and what fans think and feel? Come on man.

[Xville]

Obviously I dont know Dayton's roster makeup in terms of where they come from but x has quite a few guys from in,ky, and oh. I'd assume that maybe quite a few players know each other either from aau or summer gyms, whatever.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think they care much about what you and I think. But I suspect Byron, Joe, Dante and Travis have a few tales to spin to make the players care.

Oh, and think of the "House Divided" down in Prospect, Ky! Chris and Christi would be on pins and needles watching in the home theater after Louisville's early flameout.

[AviatorX]

I don't think they care much about what you and I think. But I suspect Byron, Joe, Dante and Travis have a few tales to spin to make the players care.

Oh, and think of the "House Divided" down in Prospect, Ky! Chris and Christi would be on pins and needles watching in the home theater after Louisville's early flameout.

Do you think they have one of those cool "House Divided" flags in the garage they could pull out?

[xubrew]

LOL, you don't think the players care about the alumni and what fans think and feel? Come on man.

What do the alumni think and feel?? How many students and players do you talk to that care about what you think and feel?? There have been several roster turnovers and student turnovers since the last time Xavier played Dayton. No students at either school have ever been to an X v UD game or even been in school with upperclassmen who have been to a game and talked about what it was like. That's several recent generations of students who don't think or feel about the game at all. Some rivalries like West Virginia v Pitt, Kansas v Missouri, or Texas v TAMU go dormant, but never really go away because there is a constant bickering that never stops and a push to get the games back. That wasn't the case with X v UD. It went away, and people slowly stopped caring about it, the previous coaches at both schools didn't really want to play again, and now it's to a point to where very few people below the age of 30 even realize that it was once a heated rivalry.

They'd probably be WAAAY more geeked up for Louisville than Dayton.

[Xville]

What do the alumni think and feel?? How many students and players do you talk to that care about what you think and feel?? There have been several roster turnovers and student turnovers since the last time Xavier played Dayton. No students at either school have ever been to an X v UD game or even been in school with upperclassmen who have been to a game and talked about what it was like. That's several recent generations of students who don't think or feel about the game at all. Some rivalries like West Virginia v Pitt, Kansas v Missouri, or Texas v TAMU go dormant, but never really go away because there is a constant bickering that never stops and a push to get the games back. That wasn't the case with X v UD. It went away, and people slowly stopped caring about it, the previous coaches at both schools didn't really want to play again, and now it's to a point to where very few people below the age of 30 even realize that it was once a heated rivalry.

They'd probably be WAAAY more geeked up for Louisville than Dayton.

True..I think Louisville's 2 seed probability has gone out the window...so seeing them in the round of 32 is probably out with it

[AviatorX]

Not saying this will happen by any stretch, but weirdly enough, isn't X kind of sitting in a spot where if they got hot they could really make a push for seeding? Obviously that doesn't happen in a vacuum, but 9 Q1/Q2 wins with 4 more Q1 chances, a marquee road victory and nothing even close to a bad loss. Sets up well.

[xubrew]

True..I think Louisville's 2 seed probability has gone out the window...so seeing them in the round of 32 is probably out with it

Unless we keep winning and get up to a 6 seed. We've won four out of five. If we win four out of the next five, and then another in the Big East Tournament, we may be getting close!

[xubrew]

Not saying this will happen by any stretch, but weirdly enough, isn't X kind of sitting in a spot where if they got hot they could really make a push for seeding? Obviously that doesn't happen in a vacuum, but 9 Q1/Q2 wins with 4 more Q1 chances, a marquee road victory and nothing even close to a bad loss. Sets up well.

Yes!!!!

[GoMuskies]

Not saying this will happen by any stretch, but weirdly enough, isn't X kind of sitting in a spot where if they got hot they could really make a push for seeding? Obviously that doesn't happen in a vacuum, but 9 Q1/Q2 wins with 4 more Q1 chances, a marquee road victory and nothing even close to a bad loss. Sets up well.

I mean, let's not go crazy...but there's no reason we can't win the last five. Three at home (anything at home is at worst a coin flip), and two on the road at Provi and Gtown. Yeah, our seed would shoot up like a missile in that scenario.

[AviatorX]

I mean, let's not go crazy...but there's no reason we can't win the last five. Three at home (anything at home is at worst a coin flip), and two on the road at Provi and Gtown. Yeah, our seed would shoot up like a missile in that scenario.

I'm with you, let's not go crazy. Just kind of funny that X's bubble profile is kind of missing the two classic factors that put you on the bubble: lack of a marquee win and head-scratching losses.

[Masterofreality]

If Xavier is in the tournament, I'll be happy. And the lower the number the better. Always.

This. Not choosing.

[xcellentx]

I'm with you, let's not go crazy. Just kind of funny that X's bubble profile is kind of missing the two classic factors that put you on the bubble: lack of a marquee win and head-scratching losses.

I think we are more comfortable than people want to think based on how we did earlier in the year. Wake is a respectable loss and the only one outside the top 35 in the NET, our OOC schedule is turning out to be a little better than people thought it might be with overall SOS being really good, the @Seton Hall win is going to be better than most other bubble teams. 2 more wins gets us to 11 Q1-2 wins which would be hard to keep out, so get 3 or more especially with a win over Nova or Butler gives us a really nice resume. On bracketmatrix we are averaging out at a 9.8 seed currently, and if you look at the resume's of the teams right above us they aren't blowing us out of the water.

[JTG]

anyone else think were playing more focused and determined on the road than at home lately ? SH, DePaul, St Johns vs Marquette meltdown. All of our remaining games are going to be tough. Prov and GT are gonna be alley fights. I think we need to get to 9 BE wins to feel decent about our chances. 10 would be stupendous.

[XUOHTX]

Being on the bubble and seeding talk makes me nostalgic with flashbacks of times gone by. Times when we were in the MCC, then the A10, and wondering, would we make it this year? If we get in, what seed will we be?

Although I would always rather be a lock and a protected seed every year, it's nice to be reminded of where we were then, where we are now, and how far we've come.

[AviatorX]

Being on the bubble and seeding talk makes me nostalgic with flashbacks of times gone by. Times when we were in the MCC, then the A10, and wondering, would we make it this year? If we get in, what seed will we be?

Although I would always rather be a lock and a protected seed every year, it's nice to be reminded of where we were then, where we are now, and how far we've come.

To be honest, in the Mack era Xavier was a bubble team around this time of year more often than we'd care to admit.

[bleedXblue]

anyone else think were playing more focused and determined on the road than at home lately ? SH, DePaul, St Johns vs Marquette meltdown. All of our remaining games are going to be tough. Prov and GT are gonna be alley fights. I think we need to get to 9 BE wins to feel decent about our chances. 10 would be stupendous.

That was focused last night? LOL Determined and resilient.......yes

[GIMMFD]

To be honest, in the Mack era Xavier was a bubble team around this time of year more often than we'd care to admit.

Yeah, but they also performed much better as a bubble team, unfortunately lmfao.

[GIMMFD]

True....give me a 10,11 or 7 though. I think there is a gigantic drop off after the 1 seeds and frankly I'd rather x just not play any of them. I know people poo poo sdsu and gonzaga because God forbid they dont play in a top conference. However both of them look to me like pretty complete teams.

Getting ahead of myself but just saying, if x is going to make the tourney, might as well be in a position to advance as much as they can.

I would also not want Gonzaga, we don't have a very good record against them, something about Gonzaga man, well coached team, definitely likeable, but absolute pain in the ass when we match up with them.

[GoMuskies]

Gonzaga is also always absurdly talented. That's the main reason they routinely rip us to shreds.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm with you, let's not go crazy. Just kind of funny that X's bubble profile is kind of missing the two classic factors that put you on the bubble: lack of a marquee win and head-scratching losses.

Yeah that Seton Hall win and lack of a "bad loss" is going to be huge for us if we are bubblish come selections Sunday. Keep winning though and its all moot as we will be solidly in.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I would also not want Gonzaga, we don't have a very good record against them, something about Gonzaga man, well coached team, definitely likeable, but absolute pain in the ass when we match up with them.

Bracketology I saw today on ESPN had us a 10 seed in the same bracket as 11 seed UC and 3 seed Louisville.

Could you imagine X pulling a couple upsets and and waiting for the winner of UC/Louisville in the Sweet 16??

I would be cheering hard for Louisville because I couldnt bear the possibility of losing to UC and sending them to the Elite 8. I'd fear losing much more than enjoy winning in that scenario.

My buddy texted me this about that possibility:

"I would rather Mack beat our brains in, tell the press he regrets his time at Xavier, and confirm Sumner took money than lose to UC."

[N67ER]

To be honest, in the Mack era Xavier was a bubble team around this time of year more often than we'd care to admit.

Xavier made 8 NCAA appearances in Mack’s 9 years from 2010 through 2018. 2013 was the only year we missed. We were seeded as follows: 6, 6, 10, 12, 6, 2, 11 and 1. Arguably, we were a bubble team in 3 or 4 of those 9 years. Seems like a pretty damn good run to me.

[drudy23]

As much as I enjoy beating UC, meeting them in a meaningful NCAA tournament game would be 2 hours of torture.

Thankfully, UC has sucked more than anyone else in the tournament the past 15 years.

[GIMMFD]

Bracketology I saw today on ESPN had us a 10 seed in the same bracket as 11 seed UC and 3 seed Louisville.

Could you imagine X pulling a couple upsets and and waiting for the winner of UC/Louisville in the Sweet 16??

I would be cheering hard for Louisville because I couldnt bear the possibility of losing to UC and sending them to the Elite 8. I'd fear losing much more than enjoy winning in that scenario.

My buddy texted me this about that possibility:

"I would rather Mack beat our brains in, tell the press he regrets his time at Xavier, and confirm Sumner took money than lose to UC."

I 100% agree with the sentiment, on the off chance we lose the Bearkittens would be absolutely insufferable. Plus, I'd love to match-up with Louisville, you'd have to think the Core 4 would be insanely pumped up for that game, and even if we lost, I could stomach losing to Louisville, there's no way in hell I could stomach losing to UC.

[Masterofreality]

As much as I enjoy beating UC, meeting them in a meaningful NCAA tournament game would be 2 hours of torture.

Thankfully, UC has sucked more than anyone else in the tournament the past 15 years.

257th out of 257 team participants. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....HA!!
And Clifton Community College fans were still defending YTG.

[GoMuskies]

257th out of 257 team participants. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....HA!!
And Clifton Community College fans were still defending YTG.

Dayton is 5-8 and 46th in those rankings. I guess no one ever really expected much from the Flyers!

[GIMMFD]

257th out of 257 team participants. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....HA!!
And Clifton Community College fans were still defending YTG.

The most mind boggling part of all of this is that UCLA chose to hire this clown. All of his short comings, throwing guys under the bus, all the early tournament exits, and they STILL HIRED HIM. I understand that coaching search wasn't ran very great, but like holy crap, Mick Cronin??? They would have been better off giving the job back to Steve Lavin


Dayton is 5-8 and 46th in those rankings. I guess no one ever really expected much from the Flyers!

More than half were from that Elite 8 run they had in 2013-2014, other than that they've been bounced basically first round each time.

[xubrew]

As much as I enjoy beating UC, meeting them in a meaningful NCAA tournament game would be 2 hours of torture.

Thankfully, UC has sucked more than anyone else in the tournament the past 15 years.

It's even worse than that.

Since 1996, Cincinnati has beaten a single seeded team ONCE!! It's almost unbelievable that a team that goes to the tournament that often only has one win in 24 years against a team that's seeded 9th or better.

[GoMuskies]

It's even worse than that.

Since 1996, Cincinnati has beaten a single seeded team ONCE!! It's almost unbelievable that a team that goes to the tournament that often only has one win in 24 years against a team that's seeded 9th or better.

That's an awesome stat, and if it's true it HAD to be in an 8/9 game, because I remember them playing that stacked Kentucky team who was a #1 seed in Louisville. The BEST part of that stat if it's true...Mick wasn't coaching the team. He was on some sort of medical leave. So UC has won ONE NCAA Tournament game in the last 24 years against teams seeded 9 or better, and neither Cronin nor Huggins coached that game?!? Amazing.

[GoMuskies]

Annnnnnnnddddddd, 'brew let us down with his faulty research. Off by exactly 100%. UC won TWO games against teams with single-digit seeds in that stretch. Two.

62-56 against #3 Florida State in 2012
66-65 in OT against #9 Purdue in 2015 (the one I mentioned in the post above)

[xubrew]

The most mind boggling part of all of this is that UCLA chose to hire this clown. All of his short comings, throwing guys under the bus, all the early tournament exits, and they STILL HIRED HIM. I understand that coaching search wasn't ran very great, but like holy crap, Mick Cronin??? They would have been better off giving the job back to Steve Lavin



More than half were from that Elite 8 run they had in 2013-2014, other than that they've been bounced basically first round each time.

Since the tournament went to 64 teams, Dayton has been in the top half of the bracket a grand total of three times, two of which were in Archie's last two years where they lost in the Round of 64 both times. They've been to the Round of 32 four times, and the Elite Eight once. It's not exactly a rich history. But, strangely enough it's been tons better since Xavier left the Atlantic Ten.

[xubrew]

Annnnnnnnddddddd, 'brew let us down with his faulty research. Off by exactly 100%. UC won TWO games against teams with single-digit seeds in that stretch. Two.

62-56 against #3 Florida State in 2012
66-65 in OT against #9 Purdue in 2015 (the one I mentioned in the post above)

I am so ashamed.

I will show myself out.

EDIT: But to be fair, Mick Cronin didn't coach in the game against Purdue!

[paulxu]

I am so ashamed.

I will show myself out.

EDIT: But to be fair, Mick Cronin didn't coach in the game against Purdue!

To be really fair, Cronin may not have really coached any games.

[GoMuskies]

EDIT: But to be fair, Mick Cronin didn't coach in the game against Purdue!

Uh, of COURSE he wasn't coaching. UC won!

[xu koop scoop]

Since the tournament went to 64 teams, Dayton has been in the top half of the bracket a grand total of three times, two of which were in Archie's last two years where they lost in the Round of 64 both times. They've been to the Round of 32 four times, and the Elite Eight once. It's not exactly a rich history. But, strangely enough it's been tons better since Xavier left the Atlantic Ten.

Long time X fan. But Dayton went to NCAA Finals in 1967 losing to UCLA who won their 1st of 7 straight titles. Also to Elite 8 in 84 & 2014. 7 Sweet 16s. At 68 yrs old I don't understand the Dayton, UC, Butler dislike (hate). These are all lesser schools historically in terms of NCAA success - compared to the schools I dislike, Ohio St, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas & NC. I grew up watching UC & Dayton on local TV & relished the rare XU TV game. Wish we v played Dayton, Miami & NKU yearly. As schools get more successful they shit on those other local/ rivalry schools because they are suddenly snobbishly too good to play other local/ rival schools. We have become what disgusts me about the Blue Bloods I mentioned. Long live David, goodbye Goliath

[xu koop scoop]

Since the tournament went to 64 teams, Dayton has been in the top half of the bracket a grand total of three times, two of which were in Archie's last two years where they lost in the Round of 64 both times. They've been to the Round of 32 four times, and the Elite Eight once. It's not exactly a rich history. But, strangely enough it's been tons better since Xavier left the Atlantic Ten.

Long time X fan. But Dayton went to NCAA Finals in 1967 losing to UCLA who won their 1st of 7 straight titles. Also to Elite 8 in 84 & 2014. 7 Sweet 16s. At 68 yrs old I don't understand the Dayton, UC, Butler dislike (hate). These are all lesser schools historically in terms of NCAA success - compared to the schools I dislike, Ohio St, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas & NC. I grew up watching UC & Dayton on local TV & relished the rare XU TV game. Wish we v played Dayton, Miami & NKU yearly. As schools get more successful they shit on those other local/ rivalry schools because they are suddenly snobbishly too good to play other local/ rival schools. We have become what disgusts me about the Blue Bloods I mentioned. Long live David, goodbye Goliath

[GoMuskies]

Long time X fan. But Dayton went to NCAA Finals in 1967 losing to UCLA who won their 1st of 7 straight titles.

You missed the part of 'brew's post about the tournament going to 64 teams. That happened in 1985.

[X-band '01]

Long time X fan. But Dayton went to NCAA Finals in 1967 losing to UCLA who won their 1st of 7 straight titles. Also to Elite 8 in 84 & 2014. 7 Sweet 16s. At 68 yrs old I don't understand the Dayton, UC, Butler dislike (hate). These are all lesser schools historically in terms of NCAA success - compared to the schools I dislike, Ohio St, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas & NC. I grew up watching UC & Dayton on local TV & relished the rare XU TV game. Wish we v played Dayton, Miami & NKU yearly. As schools get more successful they shit on those other local/ rivalry schools because they are suddenly snobbishly too good to play other local/ rival schools. We have become what disgusts me about the Blue Bloods I mentioned. Long live David, goodbye Goliath

Honestly, this is a misinformed takeaway.

Kansas and North Carolina have always played tough schedules and, in the case of North Carolina, WILL go on the road to play in-state schools like Elon and UNC-Wilmington. Usually it's either a way for Roy Williams to play someone in the Carolina family or to give their fanbase in other parts of the state to watch them play. Kansas, while they don't play Wichita State regularly for example, at least tries to make a bona fide effort to load up on noncon games outside of made-for-TV deals and exempt tournaments. You're not going to find very many Mississippi Valley States on their schedule.

As for Xavier not playing teams like Miami more often - have you seen the state of their program since Herb Sendek and Charlie Coles left town? They don't even give a damn anymore, and if you ever go to a game at Millett nowadays you could count the crowd and maybe (if you're lucky) get up to 1,000 in actual fans. Dayton also won't give them the time of day unless it's a buy game for them, nor should they.

NKU and Wright State are both deserving of buy games and an occasional 2-for-1 series, although I get a feeling that those schools won't schedule a team like Xavier because there's a fear that they'll get outdrawn in their own houses. And it's not like Xavier won't go on the road against under-the-radar conference teams - never forget the legendary #CornSword rivalry with Northern Iowa.

[GIMMFD]

Since the tournament went to 64 teams, Dayton has been in the top half of the bracket a grand total of three times, two of which were in Archie's last two years where they lost in the Round of 64 both times. They've been to the Round of 32 four times, and the Elite Eight once. It's not exactly a rich history. But, strangely enough it's been tons better since Xavier left the Atlantic Ten.

I don't know if I'd say tons, since we went to the Big East we've been in the Sweet 16 once, and Elite 8 once, with 2 more years of making it to the second game (damn you Wisconsin and damn you Florida State), not to mention a coaching change recently. I don't know if Dayton's history has been better, unless you mean Dayton's history has gotten better because we left the A-10, then that point I definitely agree with.

[OTRMUSKIE]

VD is the king of regular season championships. They have like 37 accomplishments in the last 25 years .I can’t stand that school. I hate their hillbilly fans, I hate their depressing city, I hate their shitty ass arena( it actually looks Nice since they rehab). When I was just a kid and VD had negale Knight, a stupid inbred VD fan turned around and ripped up my Xavier pom pom that they gave us at one of the home X games. Maybe he was just telling me a kid shouldn’t have pom Pom’s. Either way what a dick and that represents every fan of that shitty program. I can’t wait to see them lose to the first good team they play in the dance. F@ck Dayton

[xubrew]

As much as I enjoy beating UC, meeting them in a meaningful NCAA tournament game would be 2 hours of torture.

Thankfully, UC has sucked more than anyone else in the tournament the past 15 years.

After watching UC’s last several games, I would very much like it if we played them in the NCAA Tournament.

[xubrew]

I don't know if I'd say tons, since we went to the Big East we've been in the Sweet 16 once, and Elite 8 once, with 2 more years of making it to the second game (damn you Wisconsin and damn you Florida State), not to mention a coaching change recently. I don't know if Dayton's history has been better, unless you mean Dayton's history has gotten better because we left the A-10, then that point I definitely agree with.

I was talking about Dayton. They’ve never been as good as they are now for this long of a stretch in the post 8 track era.

[xubrew]

Long time X fan. But Dayton went to NCAA Finals in 1967 losing to UCLA who won their 1st of 7 straight titles. Also to Elite 8 in 84 & 2014. 7 Sweet 16s. At 68 yrs old I don't understand the Dayton, UC, Butler dislike (hate). These are all lesser schools historically in terms of NCAA success - compared to the schools I dislike, Ohio St, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas & NC. I grew up watching UC & Dayton on local TV & relished the rare XU TV game. Wish we v played Dayton, Miami & NKU yearly. As schools get more successful they shit on those other local/ rivalry schools because they are suddenly snobbishly too good to play other local/ rival schools. We have become what disgusts me about the Blue Bloods I mentioned. Long live David, goodbye Goliath

I appreciate how you've been a fan for a long time and that you're willing to put your opinions out there, but I was only referring to the modern (I guess) NCAA Tournament since it went to 64 teams and developed the selection process that's still very similar to what it is today. On top of that, I've said many times that I'd like it if we still played Dayton. In the A10 days, Dayton was oftentimes the only game that felt the way a conference game is supposed to feel. Although now I don't think it would be the same at all. People on this message board would go nuts, and some older alumni would go nuts, but almost no one that's graduated from either school in the last seven years would care all that much. At least not like it used to be.

[Strange Brew]

Long time X fan. But Dayton went to NCAA Finals in 1967 losing to UCLA who won their 1st of 7 straight titles. Also to Elite 8 in 84 & 2014. 7 Sweet 16s. At 68 yrs old I don't understand the Dayton, UC, Butler dislike (hate). These are all lesser schools historically in terms of NCAA success - compared to the schools I dislike, Ohio St, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas & NC. I grew up watching UC & Dayton on local TV & relished the rare XU TV game. Wish we v played Dayton, Miami & NKU yearly. As schools get more successful they shit on those other local/ rivalry schools because they are suddenly snobbishly too good to play other local/ rival schools. We have become what disgusts me about the Blue Bloods I mentioned. Long live David, goodbye Goliath

UC hatred: It's UC, nuff said.
Dayton: I was young and this is Muskie elder lore but I understand X helped them get into the MCC only to have them leave (and gloat about it) for the Great Midwest. Then, when that dissolved they leaned on X to get into the A10 and proceeded to be jerks about it (passed X as a program). The unfounded arrogance of the modern era make them hard to take.
Butler: Clock started it but I suppose it could go back to the MCC even though Evansville was the big rival. But clock...That water fountain earned it. Also, frankly. Envy. The success of the Final 4 years still burn. BUTLER!!! (shakes fist).

[GoMuskies]

After watching UC’s last several games, I would very much like it if we played them in the NCAA Tournament.

Looks like UC will be in the NIT.

[UCGRAD4X]

UC hatred: It's UC, nuff said.
Dayton: I was young and this is Muskie elder lore but I understand X helped them get into the MCC only to have them leave (and gloat about it) for the Great Midwest. Then, when that dissolved they leaned on X to get into the A10 and proceeded to be jerks about it (passed X as a program). The unfounded arrogance of the modern era make them hard to take.
Butler: Clock started it but I suppose it could go back to the MCC even though Evansville was the big rival. But clock...That water fountain earned it. Also, frankly. Envy. The success of the Final 4 years still burn. BUTLER!!! (shakes fist).

If memory serves (and it rarely does) Dayton was rewarded for their graciousness in rejoining the conference by allowing them to host the conference tournament for several years.6

[bleedXblue]

Our Net drop a spot to 40. Likely b/c of the UC loss. At this point, just keep winning..........

As to the UC/UD etc hatred..........the older I get the less vile and contempt I have for the programs. Yep, I guess getting a little soft. I know so many people that have gone to all 3 schools, that it just isn't worth it to me. I want to see my family and friends enjoy winning too. Unless of course we are playing each other.....that's different. As for the fans of the programs.......we ALL have our idiot fans. Lets not act like we are better than anyone else. I think it's ridiculous to cast a stereotype on an entire fan base (unless of course we are talking about UK).

College basketball is the only consistent, winning sport in this region. It's pretty much our only chance to see our teams win and succeed on a consistent basis.

[xcellentx]

Looks like UC will be in the NIT.

Never want to add your 4th Q3 loss when you are fighting for a bid.

[xcellentx]

It's also crazy that UC has played 4 straight OT games.

[AviatorX]

I appreciate how you've been a fan for a long time and that you're willing to put your opinions out there, but I was only referring to the modern (I guess) NCAA Tournament since it went to 64 teams and developed the selection process that's still very similar to what it is today. On top of that, I've said many times that I'd like it if we still played Dayton. In the A10 days, Dayton was oftentimes the only game that felt the way a conference game is supposed to feel. Although now I don't think it would be the same at all. People on this message board would go nuts, and some older alumni would go nuts, but almost no one that's graduated from either school in the last seven years would care all that much. At least not like it used to be.

I also wouldn't hate a home and home with Dayton. I mean, we're locked into playing Wake Forest for the next 650 seasons (on some weird on again off again schedule), so we can't really stick our noses up at Dayton, tbh.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have never had the hate for UD that I have for UC. I dont like UD but I never really hated them. I will never not hate UC. Maybe that stems from growing up in the 90's and every class being one of the 3 kids who cheered for XU over UC and the shit talking even back then and into high school? But I cant stand UC. You know those X fans who want to beat UC but then want UC to win to make the win look good for X? No thanks, I hope UC loses every game every year forever.

I would welcome a home and home series with UD though. Just need to make sure we line the first home game up on a year we are looking strong so we can add at least one more president to the list.

[xubrew]

Looks like UC will be in the NIT.

Perhaps they can get past the Round of 32 of THAT tournament!

[GIMMFD]

I was talking about Dayton. They’ve never been as good as they are now for this long of a stretch in the post 8 track era.

Okay haha, sorry for the confusion, I was like "what the hell is Brew on right now???" Definitely have a better history since we've left, but I think we can attribute that to how far the A10 has fallen off the cliff. That conference is bad right now, and it's weird to see. However, X was the flagship program, now Dayton doesn't have to worry about X taking recruits from them (because we're going after much bigger fish these days), so they can fill out their roster with the guys that they want, that maybe in A10 years would have passed on Dayton for Xavier. I can understand how they have a better resume so to speak now.

[GoMuskies]

Who cares about NET, but Xavier is up to #31 in Sagarin, including a very nice #15 in his "Recent" rankings.

[xubrew]

Okay haha, sorry for the confusion, I was like "what the hell is Brew on right now???" Definitely have a better history since we've left, but I think we can attribute that to how far the A10 has fallen off the cliff. That conference is bad right now, and it's weird to see. However, X was the flagship program, now Dayton doesn't have to worry about X taking recruits from them (because we're going after much bigger fish these days), so they can fill out their roster with the guys that they want, that maybe in A10 years would have passed on Dayton for Xavier. I can understand how they have a better resume so to speak now.

I don't think the A10 has really fallen off. Since it (perhaps foolishly) decided to go out to 14 teams, the overall conference rankings (usually between 7th and 10th), the number of teams in the top 25 (usually 1), and the number of teams making the NCAA Tournament (usually 2-3) is pretty much the same. And....Fordham still sucks. So, everything is pretty much the way it was before.

I think Dayton FINALLY figured something out. There is simply no excuse to not win there. In fact, it should be easier to win there than the vast majority of div1 schools. They have twice the resources and spend twice the money as the rest of the A10. Hell, the last time I checked they were routinely spending more than Xavier. If you can't dominate a conference that consists of teams that spend half of what you do, then you just REALLY suck. Any coach that's at least decent should be able to win there and make it to the NCAA Tournament almost all the time. Now, I'm not saying they should be ranked in the top 5 all of the time, but they should absolutely be expected to dominate that conference. For all the years we were in the A10 it was PITIFUL that UD was not better than what they were. Other than Xavier, they should have been able to outperform everyone else. Yet, then never did. And yet, they never made a coaching change. I never thought of Archie Miller as a great coach. Decent for sure, and maybe even good. He was able to win at Dayton, but any decent coach should be able to do that.

[xu82]

Who cares about NET, but Xavier is up to #31 in Sagarin, including a very nice #15 in his "Recent" rankings.

CLEARLY, this is important information, a valid ranking and the whole world should care.

[X-band '01]

And yet, they never made a coaching change. I never thought of Archie Miller as a great coach. Decent for sure, and maybe even good. He was able to win at Dayton, but any decent coach should be able to do that.

It was too much of a red flag that Xavier fans partied for a week when Brian Gregory got a 10-year contract extension.

[paulxu]

Hypothetically the cut off line for the bubble would be 48.
There are 12 conferences with the leader at or below that number; leaving 20 conferences to make up the 68.
Those 12 conferences would get the 36 at-large bids;

BE...5
BIG 10...9
Big 12...4
Pac 12...5
SEC...5
ACC...2
Aaaack...1
A10...2
WC...2
Miz Val...0
Mnt W...1
SoCon...0

[kellernr]

I have never had the hate for UD that I have for UC. I dont like UD but I never really hated them. I will never not hate UC. Maybe that stems from growing up in the 90's and every class being one of the 3 kids who cheered for XU over UC and the shit talking even back then and into high school? But I cant stand UC. You know those X fans who want to beat UC but then want UC to win to make the win look good for X? No thanks, I hope UC loses every game every year forever.

I would welcome a home and home series with UD though. Just need to make sure we line the first home game up on a year we are looking strong so we can add at least one more president to the list.I miss the UD rivalry. We arent in the same conference anymore but they are a quick drive for a game. Still hoping we can get some sort of tri state preseason tourney in my lifetime. XU/UC/UD/IU/UL/UK. Is that too much during the preseason? Rotate the tourney every year and that would draw a lot of fans

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[kellernr]

It's also crazy that UC has played 4 straight OT games.7 on the year. Think that's an ncaa record

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[usfldan]

7 on the year. Think that's an ncaa record

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Three teams have played eight overtime games in a season since 2010-11:
2014-15 Michigan State
2016-17 Toledo
2017-18 Texas
http://cbbref.com/tiny/5Bmgu

UC did play seven overtimes in one game in 1981, which is a record.

[bleedXblue]

7 on the year. Think that's an ncaa record

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The 4 in a row, ties an NCAA record

[Xavier]

I have never had the hate for UD that I have for UC. I dont like UD but I never really hated them. I will never not hate UC. Maybe that stems from growing up in the 90's and every class being one of the 3 kids who cheered for XU over UC and the shit talking even back then and into high school? But I cant stand UC. You know those X fans who want to beat UC but then want UC to win to make the win look good for X? No thanks, I hope UC loses every game every year forever.

I would welcome a home and home series with UD though. Just need to make sure we line the first home game up on a year we are looking strong so we can add at least one more president to the list.

I agree with this- though I also think it has started to die down with the new coach. It was so awesome and easy to hate Huggins/Mick.

I'm in the minority but I would welcome UD to the Big East. The only reason I am against adding is because I love playing everyone twice.

[xcellentx]

The 4 in a row, ties an NCAA record

Who would have thought that Brannon would be setting records in his first year?!?!

[AviatorX]

The 4 in a row, ties an NCAA record

4, which I believe is also the number of Quad 3 losses the Bearcats have suffered.

[paulxu]

I'm in the minority but I would welcome UD to the Big East.

Yikes.

[X-man]

I agree with this- though I also think it has started to die down with the new coach. It was so awesome and easy to hate Huggins/Mick.

I'm in the minority but I would welcome UD to the Big East. The only reason I am against adding is because I love playing everyone twice.

You are indeed in the minority if you really want to add those sweater-vested mouth breathers into our league.

[xubrew]

I agree with this- though I also think it has started to die down with the new coach. It was so awesome and easy to hate Huggins/Mick.

I'm in the minority but I would welcome UD to the Big East. The only reason I am against adding is because I love playing everyone twice.

I wouldn't welcome Dayton into the conference unless three other schools left. It's too crowded already. I'd really wish we'd just keep it at ten. The league has half the teams in the top 25, may put 7 teams into the NCAA Tournament, and is the top rated conference in the country. Sometimes when things are working out that well you don't need to make any changes. Just let it keep working.

I'd welcome them onto the schedule. I think most people wanted to keep playing them (although maybe not everyone on here). I don't think it would be the same type of environment that it used to be. At least, not at first. But they are a bus ride a way, and they are now to a point to where they are regularly an NCAA Tournament caliber team. That is especially true this year.

[SM#24]

Except we could only fit them on the schedule as a buy game.
20 conf games
4 exempt
UC
Big 12 / Gavitt / Prosser = 2-3 games
so we're either at 27 or 28 games locked in.
That only leaves 3-4 buy games.

[paulxu]

If they pay us enough money (sort of a reverse buy game) we could let them come to Cintas.
The only draw back would be a orange haired picture in the lineup.

[xubrew]

Except we could only fit them on the schedule as a buy game.
20 conf games
4 exempt
UC
Big 12 / Gavitt / Prosser = 2-3 games
so we're either at 27 or 28 games locked in.
That only leaves 3-4 buy games.

As of next year you’re not allowed four exempt games anymore. All MTEs will be either 2 or 3 games, and you get either 29 or 28 more for a total of 31. Essentially, the campus games are gone.

But to your point, we are locked into a lot of games.

[xu koop scoop]

As of next year you’re not allowed four exempt games anymore. All MTEs will be either 2 or 3 games, and you get either 29 or 28 more for a total of 31. Essentially, the campus games are gone.

But to your point, we are locked into a lot of games.
Not liking 2 less non- con games in order to have 2 more with UConn. Firmly believe if the ACC or Big 10 accepted UConn they'd leave again in a heartbeat. They still have football in their hopes at the moment

[GoMuskies]

Not liking 2 less non- con games in order to have 2 more with UConn. Firmly believe if the ACC or Big 10 accepted UConn they'd leave again in a heartbeat. They still have football in their hopes at the moment

Of course they would. They'd be complete idiots to not leave if they had that offer. However, the chances of them ever getting such an offer (or at least of getting such an offer in the near term) is negligible.