Dahmir Bishop enters transfer portal

[Jehoya]

Bishop just put his name in the transfer portal.....

[94GRAD]

Per Shannon

https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/1212752199484354561

[drudy23]

He's someone I thought could have developed well over 4 years. But they don't wait around these days. Good luck in the future.

[GoMuskies]

Sorry it didn't work out for him here. If he's unhappy, it's better for all parties that he goes ahead and moves on now, I think. Hope he finds a situation that makes him happier.

[Xville]

That sucks. Hope everything on a personal level is going ok for him. Thought maybe something was going on though since his playing time went to zero pretty quickly.

[throwbackmuskie]

I had high hopes for him, but like a lot of freshman was very tentative when he played IMO. His shot also seemed off. Could see him doing well back in Philly with LaSalle or Temple or St Joes.

[drudy23]

Looking at his recruiting profile, everyone not named Villanova in the Big East had offers out for him.

[bleedXblue]

He's a mid major kid........his shot is brutally ugly. Hope he figures it out.

[D-West & PO-Z]

3 SG's transfer in 3 years right? 3 misses. No wonder we can't shoot.

[AviatorX]

3 SG's transfer in 3 years right? 3 misses. No wonder we can't shoot.

Fair, but at the same time, it's pretty clear Harden and Kennedy weren't going to move the needle. Harden is lighting it up at 27% from 3 (ORTG of 69.8...yikes) while starting for a bad OVC team. Kennedy is sitting out at UTEP, which is several steps down from the Big East in CUSA 4.0 with conference mates North Texas and UTSA.

Who knows on Bishop, the jury is still out for sure.

Edit: I misread your post - recognize you're characterizing these guys as misses independent of their transfer. Agreed.

[bleedXblue]

3 SG's transfer in 3 years right? 3 misses. No wonder we can't shoot.

Exactly....AND Scruggs is not a pure SG. Last guys to really fill that spot and excel were Tre and JP........

Now, Tandy is going to be good.......but that's too many misses

[Xville]

I know its "positionless" basketball but is wilcher and Jones both more of 3s than 2s?

[AviatorX]

I know its "positionless" basketball but is wilcher and Jones both more of 3s than 2s?

I think Wilcher is more of a 2/3 where Jones is more of a 3/small 4. That said, not sure either of them can guard the 2.

[bleedXblue]

I know its "positionless" basketball but is wilcher and Jones both more of 3s than 2s?

From what I have seen/heard , Jones is a little more versatile and more of a true 3. Wilcher is more of a true spot up shooter. Regardless.......you're right.

[Muskie in dayton]

That’s a shame. BJ Raymond had a rough freshmen year and ended up a star. I thought Bishop would follow that same path.

Darn kids today want everything handed to them right now. No patience or willingness to put in the work.

[Xville]

That’s a shame. BJ Raymond had a rough freshmen year and ended up a star. I thought Bishop would follow that same path.

Darn kids today want everything handed to them right now. No patience or willingness to put in the work.

That last sentence...u may be close to the program and know his specific situation, but if not, ya never know what's going on with him. There may be a personal family issue, or just doesnt jive with his teammates, or hes simply just homesick. In other words, it may not be what you believe it to be...just saying

[drudy23]

Landing Cole Swider would have been nice.

We need some damn shooters.

[scoscox]

I loved bj man. One of my favorite and most underrated players at x this century. Made himself into a great player

[D-West & PO-Z]

Fair, but at the same time, it's pretty clear Harden and Kennedy weren't going to move the needle. Harden is lighting it up at 27% from 3 (ORTG of 69.8...yikes) while starting for a bad OVC team. Kennedy is sitting out at UTEP, which is several steps down from the Big East in CUSA 4.0 with conference mates North Texas and UTSA.

Who knows on Bishop, the jury is still out for sure.

Edit: I misread your post - recognize you're characterizing these guys as misses independent of their transfer. Agreed.

Edit: I just read you edit and saw you got what I was saying.

[nuts4xu]

The decision to give Leighton Schrand minutes in the beginning of the season is more telling now, than it was then. Steele reported Schrand earned those minutes in practice, it was a message sent to the team that he will play whomever earns it...regardless of scholarship status.

It is logical to deduce this message was meant to motivate Bishop at the time, and that the message was completely lost on Bishop. Had he given proper effort, he should have been playing all those minutes given to Schrand.

[scoscox]

The decision to give Leighton Schrand minutes in the beginning of the season is more telling now, than it was then. Steele reported Schrand earned those minutes in practice, it was a message sent to the team that he will play whomever earns it...regardless of scholarship status.

It is logical to deduce this message was meant to motivate Bishop at the time, and that the message was completely lost on Bishop. Had he given proper effort, he should have been playing all those minutes given to Schrand.
Prolly also had something to do with his inability to hit water from a boat

[SemajParlor]

Too bad. There were flashes where this kid reminded me of Edmund. Wouldn't shock me if he had a good to great career somewhere. Good luck.

[GIMMFD]

That last sentence...u may be close to the program and know his specific situation, but if not, ya never know what's going on with him. There may be a personal family issue, or just doesnt jive with his teammates, or hes simply just homesick. In other words, it may not be what you believe it to be...just saying

I'm pretty sure Shannon tweeted that it was about playing time, which is what sparked the comment. Ultimately the transition into D1 basketball is tough, especially in a conference like the Big East, sometimes it doesn't work out and the fit isn't right. Hopefully he finds the right situation for him, I'm sure this means we'll be in on a grad transfer (most likely were going to be anyways), will be interesting to see how it all shapes up.

[Xville]

I'm pretty sure Shannon tweeted that it was about playing time, which is what sparked the comment. Ultimately the transition into D1 basketball is tough, especially in a conference like the Big East, sometimes it doesn't work out and the fit isn't right. Hopefully he finds the right situation for him, I'm sure this means we'll be in on a grad transfer (most likely were going to be anyways), will be interesting to see how it all shapes up.

Ahh gotcha..my apologies then to muskie in Dayton and with that said, I now agree with him. Good luck to Dahmir but man wish he woulda stuck it out.

[boozehound]

I’m not going to get too bent out of shape here. Kid enters the transfer portal half way through his Freshman year because he isn’t getting the playing time he wants? How about earning it?

[IM4X]

I'm pretty sure Shannon tweeted that it was about playing time, which is what sparked the comment. .

He is shooting 11.8% from 3 and 17.9% from the field.

I think if he could have used a little more of his explosive slasher skills set (like Edmund did), he might have had more success. It is hard for a coach to keep putting him out there if he continually is not a net positive when he is on the floor. Would be awesome to see him turn it on, but then maybe the Harden comparison is not too far off the mark.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone else remember when (what game was that?) we were down and and the last play was run to get Bishop an open 3 but Carter got fouled. Yikes, long way from that.

[AviatorX]

Anyone else remember when (what game was that?) we were down and and the last play was run to get Bishop an open 3 but Carter got fouled. Yikes, long way from that.

Lol. To be fair, Q, Scruggs and Naji had fouled out at that point in 2OT of the UConn game.

[Muskie]

He is shooting 11.8% from 3 and 17.9% from the field.

I think if he could have used a little more of his explosive slasher skills set (like Edmund did), he might have had more success. It is hard for a coach to keep putting him out there if he continually is not a net positive when he is on the floor. Would be awesome to see him turn it on, but then maybe the Harden comparison is not too far off the mark.

I think all of the guards could use a little more slashing to the basket, instead of taking all the three's...

[IM4X]

I think all of the guards could use a little more slashing to the basket, instead of taking all the three's...

Yes. I get that struggling from three has allowed defenses to cheat in more, but there are plenty of plays (just watch Nova's offense in last game for examples) that will help to create open lanes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lol. To be fair, Q, Scruggs and Naji had fouled out at that point in 2OT of the UConn game.

Ah yes, thanks. I just remember still even thinking there were better options.

[Fireball]

Anyone know what benefit Dahmir gets from entering the portal now versus at the end of the season/school year?

I know he hasn't been playing a ton, but this seems like odd timing. He's not able to get any of this year's eligibility back, right?

[AviatorX]

Yes. I get that struggling from three has allowed defenses to cheat in more, but there are plenty of plays (just watch Nova's offense in last game for examples) that will help to create open lanes.

This is true if you just ignore that the two concepts are tied together. Looking to Nova's offense for aspects that can help Xavier is like pointing to Virginia's defense for the 2018 team that couldn't get stops in the packline.

Is there an offense with similar 3PA% and 3P% that is more efficient? From a quick look, maybe Illinois? But they're an elite offensive rebounding team. If such an offense existed (I'm guessing it doesn't) that would be where to look.

It seems pretty apparent that the answer to squeezing more efficiency out of this offense is to stop literally throwing away possessions and to finish the easy looks that are generated (which is why Travis was so pissed off after Nova). If X's offensive efficiency went from 60th to 45th, that would make a huge difference.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone know what benefit Dahmir gets from entering the portal now versus at the end of the season/school year?

I know he hasn't been playing a ton, but this seems like odd timing. He's not able to get any of this year's eligibility back, right?

Probably could play starting second semester next year wherever he goes. Or does he have to be enrolled in the new school by the start of spring semester for that? If so he would have to pick quickly.

[XMuskieFTW]

Probably could play starting second semester next year wherever he goes. Or does he have to be enrolled in the new school by the start of spring semester for that? If so he would have to pick quickly.

Yeah he'd have to enroll in the next week and a half to be eligible 2nd semester next year. My guess is he has a school or two in mind and we'll have decided in a few days to make that scenario happen.

[94GRAD]

Anyone know what benefit Dahmir gets from entering the portal now versus at the end of the season/school year?

I know he hasn't been playing a ton, but this seems like odd timing. He's not able to get any of this year's eligibility back, right?

Assuming he picks a school before the start of the Spring semester, he would be able to play 3.5 years instead of 3.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Assuming he picks a school before the start of the Spring semester, he would be able to play 3.5 years instead of 3.

Wait do you mean 3.5 years at a new school? He wouldnt get that. By enrolling before spring semester he gets to play sooner at his new school but actually play less total time right?

Say he didnt enroll in time. He would transfer to new school and sit out all of next year and then have 3 years left a that school.
If he does enroll in time he could play spring semester, so sooner, but would only get a half year next year and 2 after that for a total of 2.5.

Right?

[94GRAD]

Wait do you mean 3.5 years at a new school? He wouldnt get that. By enrolling before spring semester he gets to play sooner at his new school but actually play less total time right?

Say he didnt enroll in time. He would transfer to new school and sit out all of next year and then have 3 years left a that school.
If he does enroll in time he could play spring semester, so sooner, but would only get a half year next year and 2 after that for a total of 2.5.

Right?

Let's do this by semesters rather than years. You are allowed to play 8 semesters. He has played 1 leaving 7 left. Since the season is played over 2 semesters, if he enrolls this spring and sits out the next 2 semesters(one school year), that would give him the chance to play 7 semesters instead of 6 if he enrolled in the fall. This is the understanding that I'm under.

[Muskie in dayton]

Ahh gotcha..my apologies then to muskie in Dayton and with that said, I now agree with him. Good luck to Dahmir but man wish he woulda stuck it out.

No apology needed, sir. I did make that leap from Shannon’s post, but you are correct there still may be more to it.

Oh, but you may need to apologize to Xavier Nation for capitalizing “dayton”, but leaving “Muskie” lower case! 😁

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Side-note: am I the only Xavier fan that never uses the term "Muskie"? I know it is quite common amongst the fan base, but I hate it and never use it, am I the only one?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Let's do this by semesters rather than years. You are allowed to play 8 semesters. He has played 1 leaving 7 left. Since the season is played over 2 semesters, if he enrolls this spring and sits out the next 2 semesters(one school year), that would give him the chance to play 7 semesters instead of 6 if he enrolled in the fall. This is the understanding that I'm under.

You can't play 7 though because if you play one that really counts as 2. He doesnt get this year back, he played for X and that used an entire year even though he only played a semester.

So he has 3 years remaining no matter when he enrolls at new school. If he enrolls quickly and plays spring next semester that is only 1 semester but again that takes a whole year. So he would have only played 2 semesters but used 4 up. So by enrolling early he plays quicker but only gets to play a half year, costing him a whole year.

[94GRAD]

Side-note: am I the only Xavier fan that never uses the term "Muskie"? I know it is quite common amongst the fan base, but I hate it and never use it, am I the only one?

Our corporate name here at Dana Gardens is Muskies Inc.

[Muskie in dayton]

Side-note: am I the only Xavier fan that never uses the term "Muskie"? I know it is quite common amongst the fan base, but I hate it and never use it, am I the only one?

You may refer to me as “Musketeer in dayton”, then.

I grew up a X fan (my Dad also went there), and he always called them “the Muskies”. It stuck with me even after I later learned a Muskie is also a fish!

[94GRAD]

You can't play 7 though because if you play one that really counts as 2. He doesnt get this year back, he played for X and that used an entire year even though he only played a semester.

So he has 3 years remaining no matter when he enrolls at new school. If he enrolls quickly and plays spring next semester that is only 1 semester but again that takes a whole year. So he would have only played 2 semesters but used 4 up. So by enrolling early he plays quicker but only gets to play a half year, costing him a whole year.

Gotcha

[BigMoeMusketeer]

You may refer to me as “Musketeer in dayton”, then.

Thanks!

You certainly aren't alone, I know I'm in the minority not liking it, but I am beginning to think I'm the only one in my camp. Your stance of using "Muskies" is clearly in the majority.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

You can't play 7 though because if you play one that really counts as 2. He doesnt get this year back, he played for X and that used an entire year even though he only played a semester.

So he has 3 years remaining no matter when he enrolls at new school. If he enrolls quickly and plays spring next semester that is only 1 semester but again that takes a whole year. So he would have only played 2 semesters but used 4 up. So by enrolling early he plays quicker but only gets to play a half year, costing him a whole year.

Things could have changed since I last had to be fluent about such things, but I feel like if he enrolls at "XYZ" School for the first day of the Spring Semester, he will be eligible as soon as soon as "XYZ" School's fall 2020 semester ends (thus ending his "Year in Academic Residence"). In that case, if that is still the case, he would be able to play mid-December (assuming no waivers are granted) at "XYZ" School.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Our corporate name here at Dana Gardens is Muskies Inc.

I'm clearly the outlier on this issue. Oh well, certainly not the first time. Ha!!

[nuts4xu]

If he enrolls by spring semester, I believe he will be eligible to play once the first semester is completed next season. I don't believe he will have to wait for the second semester to start, which can mean 3 or 4 games difference.

You have to complete 4 years of eligibility in 5 seasons. I think DWest is correct that Bishop has used up one of his years by playing earlier in the season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Things could have changed since I last had to be fluent about such things, but I feel like if he enrolls at "XYZ" School for the first day of the Spring Semester, he will be eligible as soon as soon as "XYZ" School's fall 2020 semester ends (thus ending his "Year in Academic Residence"). In that case, if that is still the case, he would be able to play mid-December (assuming no waivers are granted) at "XYZ" School.


If he enrolls by spring semester, I believe he will be eligible to play once the first semester is completed next season. I don't believe he will have to wait for the second semester to start, which can mean 3 or 4 games difference.

You have to complete 4 years of eligibility in 5 seasons. I think DWest is correct that Bishop has used up one of his years by playing earlier in the season.

Good point. So he would still really benefit by enrolling somewhere quickly because it isnt like he'd miss out on truly half a year. Only about a month and a half.

[usfldan]

Thanks!

You certainly aren't alone, I know I'm in the minority not liking it, but I am beginning to think I'm the only one in my camp. Your stance of using "Muskies" is clearly in the majority.

I'm not sure how old this link is, but at least at one point the Athletic Department was not a fan of "Muskies":

https://goxavier.com/sports/2015/7/15/athletics_0715153235.aspx


The official nickname of XU athletics teams is the Xavier Musketeers. To use as an adjective, the nickname becomes singular: "Musketeer Basketball," not "Musketeers Basketball." The nickname "Muskies" is not preferred and is not officially recognized by the Department.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I'm not sure how old this link is, but at least at one point the Athletic Department was not a fan of "Muskies":

https://goxavier.com/sports/2015/7/15/athletics_0715153235.aspx

Interesting, I've never seen that (or at least noticed it), thanks for sharing. I feel better now.

[paulxu]

Down here (in the South) we say...Go you Mucking Fuskies!

Somehow...Go you Mucking Fusketeers...just doesn't quite get it.

[Muskie]

Things could have changed since I last had to be fluent about such things, but I feel like if he enrolls at "XYZ" School for the first day of the Spring Semester, he will be eligible as soon as soon as "XYZ" School's fall 2020 semester ends (thus ending his "Year in Academic Residence"). In that case, if that is still the case, he would be able to play mid-December (assuming no waivers are granted) at "XYZ" School.

I prefer to call them the Musketeers myself. I don't hate "Muskie" though.

[X-band '01]

Our corporate name here at Dana Gardens is Muskies Inc.


Thanks!

You certainly aren't alone, I know I'm in the minority not liking it, but I am beginning to think I'm the only one in my camp. Your stance of using "Muskies" is clearly in the majority.


I prefer to call them the Musketeers myself. I don't hate "Muskie" though.

Heaven forbid we ever be confused with the Muskingum Muskies.

Besides, Musketeerman doesn't sound nearly as good as our esteemed internet journalist Muskieman.

[UCGRAD4X]

In some contexts it can be confused with the fish.

Back when we were Xavier of OH, that is the only muskie most people knew. Now that the Xavier is a household name we don't have that problem so much anymore.

[noteggs]

Personally I hate to see Dahmir transfer because still think he had a lot to offer. However, what the young man decides to do with his own life are none of my business. Good luck young man and hope you find what you’re looking for (a little U2 perhaps).

[X-band '01]

I wish him well wherever he lands up - he probably saw the writing on the wall starting in December when KyKy was getting minutes off the bench instead of himself. Part of me wishes he would have least waited out the rest of the season - you just never know what could happen (i.e. injuries, suspensions out of nowhere) over the course of a full season.

[whopper]

he contributed in the UConn game with some rebounds and a key foul shot. He actually could have iced the game as he got a tough rebound with up 5, dribbled it out, passed BACK to Bryce Moore and it was picked off for a layup. Good luck and we wish everybody could stay forever.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I just don't understand these young people. He is clearly athletic enough to compete and was given some opportunity but failed to play himself off the bench. The earlier post summed it up....."couldn't hit the water from the boat".

His transfer does make me wonder (I said wonder, not conclude) what expectations these kids have when they are recruited. And, does our recruiting, in some way, encourage unrealistic expectations? Finally, I don't want to go full bore conspiracy but does Bishop's transfer tell us anything about what might be going on underneath the surface, so to speak, with this team? It probably tells us nothing. And, I don't want to over-reach. Still, and I cannot quite put my finger on it, but something doesn't seem right with this team. No evidence of any issues. Haven't heard anything. I just wonder.

I'm very interested in seeing how the Muskies, Musketeers, whatever, come out against SJU on Sunday. I want to see if the team and coaches seem energized and enthusiastic. For whatever reason, I haven't felt that much this year. Other posters have noted the fight in this team and that's evidence, I think, of what I think might be missing. So, I could have my head up my arse on this.

[bleedXblue]

I just don't understand these young people. He is clearly athletic enough to compete and was given some opportunity but failed to play himself off the bench. The earlier post summed it up....."couldn't hit the water from the boat".

His transfer does make me wonder (I said wonder, not conclude) what expectations these kids have when they are recruited. And, does our recruiting, in some way, encourage unrealistic expectations? Finally, I don't want to go full bore conspiracy but does Bishop's transfer tell us anything about what might be going on underneath the surface, so to speak, with this team? It probably tells us nothing. And, I don't want to over-reach. Still, and I cannot quite put my finger on it, but something doesn't seem right with this team. No evidence of any issues. Haven't heard anything. I just wonder.

I'm very interested in seeing how the Muskies, Musketeers, whatever, come out against SJU on Sunday. I want to see if the team and coaches seem energized and enthusiastic. For whatever reason, I haven't felt that much this year. Other posters have noted the fight in this team and that's evidence, I think, of what I think might be missing. So, I could have my head up my arse on this.

They seem to respond generally pretty well to set backs, but cant sustain anything beyond a game or two.....I think a lot of that has to do with shooting the ball and our inability to makes 3's, easy layups and consistently execute on the offensive end. Lets be honest, the game is fun and you can get on a roll when the ball goes in the basket for you. When it doesn't its very tough sledding.

[XU 87]

Side-note: am I the only Xavier fan that never uses the term "Muskie"? I know it is quite common amongst the fan base, but I hate it and never use it, am I the only one?

Yes

[XU 87]

"When the going gets tough, the tough...….. now transfer."

[bjf123]

"When the going gets tough, the tough...….. now transfer."

It has to be tough for these kids coming out of high school where they were probably the top scorer playing the most minutes. Some can’t handle it when they suddenly find they’re riding the bench.


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[XUGRAD80]

Have absolutely no knowledge of exactly why he is transferring, but I certainly wish him well.

[scoscox]

seeing some fans upset about travis not playing him more are cracking me up. dude was shooting less than 20% from the field and couldn't hit a free throw.

[xu82]

Have absolutely no knowledge of exactly why he is transferring, but I certainly wish him well.

Exactly this.

[Lloyd Braun]

This is disappointing, I think he has a lot more talent than pretty much anyone else who has transferred for lack of PT (assuming that is in fact the reason as previously reported).

[noteggs]

This is disappointing, I think he has a lot more talent than pretty much anyone else who has transferred for lack of PT (assuming that is in fact the reason as previously reported).

Completely agree!

[scoscox]

This is disappointing, I think he has a lot more talent than pretty much anyone else who has transferred for lack of PT (assuming that is in fact the reason as previously reported).

not a high bar

[Lloyd Braun]

not a high bar

Doesn’t make it any less disappointing for me... and I was a big Johnny Wolf fan if that says anything!

[XUGRAD80]

I have a feeling that the kid is just homesick, and that the visit back home this past week just reinforced that feeling. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up playing for a Philly school, perhaps Temple?

[Fireball]

I'm definitely in favor of these college players having more control and options, but while I obviously don't know any of the details around this, it really feels like a knee-jerk reaction on Bishop's part. Clearly the kid has the talent, but for whatever reason isn't willing to tough it out even for a season to crack the rotation.

That's where this really feels off to me - if he doesn't like where he is after a season, then maybe it makes sense to transfer. But before we've gotten into conference play?

It also makes me sad that I don't think there will be any more BJ Raymonds, James Farrs, or Jason Loves...guy that used their lack of playing time early in their careers to turn themselves into essential parts of some of the rest teams in Xavier history. Again, I want kids to have options, but it just seems like if things immediately don't swing the way a kid wants them to, it's transfer portal time.

[Xuperman]

Well, that pretty much means an 8 man rotation is what Coach has for the duration but I'm still holding out hope that James can give us something. Still confounded on why his minutes are practically non existent. The guy is physically gifted and moves really well. Some say he's a liability on the D, but frankly he hasn't played enough to tell. From what little we have seen, he seems ok to me. I'm thinking he lacks effort/focus in practice or something with academics.

Anyway, that's what's nice about a rare 5 man recruiting class....almost assures you a few seniors down the road.

[XU 87]

but I'm still holding out hope that James can give us something. Still confounded on why his minutes are practically non existent. The guy is physically gifted and moves really well. Some say he's a liability on the D, but frankly he hasn't played enough to tell. F

I think James has given some good high energy minutes when he plays (getting some rebounds, loose balls etc.), but he hasn't offered much on offense. He wasn't a very highly rated recruit out of high school.

[surfxu]

I think James has given some good high energy minutes when he plays (getting some rebounds, loose balls etc.), but he hasn't offered much on offense. He wasn't a very highly rated recruit out of high school.

Maybe Dontarius is the next James Farr. I hope so for his sake. He's sticking it out so far, so I give him credit for that.

[Muskie4106]

I have a feeling that the kid is just homesick, and that the visit back home this past week just reinforced that feeling. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up playing for a Philly school, perhaps Temple?

I agree completely! He went home to play Nova and had family there. He didn't play at all. Maybe he got embarrassed. I am sure family was in his ear. He believes he deserves playing time and the coaching staff disagrees. Unfortunately he took the easy way out. BUT that being said we probably will not know his side of the story.

I hope he succeeds and this is a blessing for him!

[XUGRAD80]

Most people assume that it’s a playing time decision, but it’s hard on a lot of these kids to be away from home. New city. New friends. Away from your family. New classes that might well be a big step up from what someone is used to from HS. It’s not ALWAYS all about playing time. Whatever his reasons, I hope that he finds the place that is best for him and hope that he finds success.

[SM#24]

I've read from people closer to the program that it was clearly about playing time and that going home to Philly and not playing was the cherry on the sundae. I've made a point to watch his demeanor during warm-ups, timeouts, etc. since his playing time was reduced and he seemed to me like someone who was not very happy. I also think the many if not all of Steele's comments about earning playing time in practice were specifically directed at him (since I can't think of anyone else they would be directed at). I was at the Villanova game and for whatever reason, I kept thinking that if Bishop doesn't play, it's going to be a problem. When I saw the headline he was leaving, not a single part of me was surprised.
I don't fault anyone for wanting to play; I mean no one invested the time these players put in to sit the bench. I also believe that playing time is earned. If he got to the point where he believed the only way for that to happen was to go somewhere else, that's fine, best of luck to him, no hard feelings. Quite honestly what I had seen to this point, I was questioning whether he would ever get significant minutes.
I'm equally torn between his decision being, "this is BS, I should be playing, I'm outta here" or him reading the tea leaves of his current standing and forecasting beyond in terms of who is coming back (Tandy), who may be coming back (Scruggs), who is coming in (Odom, Wilcher, Jones) and saying "I better leave if I want to play"

[Muskie in dayton]

I've read from people closer to the program that it was clearly about playing time and that going home to Philly and not playing was the cherry on the sundae. I've made a point to watch his demeanor during warm-ups, timeouts, etc. since his playing time was reduced and he seemed to me like someone who was not very happy. I also think the many if not all of Steele's comments about earning playing time in practice were specifically directed at him (since I can't think of anyone else they would be directed at). I was at the Villanova game and for whatever reason, I kept thinking that if Bishop doesn't play, it's going to be a problem. When I saw the headline he was leaving, not a single part of me was surprised.
I don't fault anyone for wanting to play; I mean no one invested the time these players put in to sit the bench. I also believe that playing time is earned. If he got to the point where he believed the only way for that to happen was to go somewhere else, that's fine, best of luck to him, no hard feelings. Quite honestly what I had seen to this point, I was questioning whether he would ever get significant minutes.
I'm equally torn between his decision being, "this is BS, I should be playing, I'm outta here" or him reading the tea leaves of his current standing and forecasting beyond in terms of who is coming back (Tandy), who may be coming back (Scruggs), who is coming in (Odom, Wilcher, Jones) and saying "I better leave if I want to play"

The only problem is now he won’t get any playing time for a year. Had he stuck around he would be seeing ample playing time at the beginning of next season since Gooden, Moore and presumably Scruggs are gone. It really doesn’t make sense. But who expects an 18-year old to make sense...

[XUGRAD80]

Video just posted on Cincinnati.com of Steele talking about Bishop and what might happen with the open scholly.....

Combination of being homesick and not playing is reason for transfer

Open scholly probably won’t be used on a 2020 freshman. Could be used on Transfer or JUCO

[IM4X]

I'm still holding out hope that James can give us something.

I look forward to seeing him get some more time on the court. I believe he is better shooter than Bishop (something we need) and he can play solid defense. I see James growing more and more comfortable on the court and giving us some good minutes.

[AviatorX]

I look forward to seeing him get some more time on the court. I believe he is better shooter than Bishop (something we need) and he can play solid defense. I see James growing more and more comfortable on the court and giving us some good minutes.

Honest question: how and why do you see this for James? Seems most likely he won't see the court again this season outside of garbage time.

[IM4X]

Honest question: how and why do you see this for James? Seems most likely he won't see the court again this season outside of garbage time.

Honest answer:
1. Bishop is gone and James has already had some non-garbage minutes- this increases his chance to get some more.
2. Steele has stated he is one of the better 3 pt shooters on the team. If he shows it in a game, he could get more minutes.
3. He looked pretty solid (outside of shooting) in most games he saw action.
4. Foul trouble in a game could allow him to see more minutes (again- especially with Bishop no longer available).

I would imagine he is not going to be getting 15 a game, but I certainly could see Steele giving him some minutes here and there to try to give the team a little spark when other players are flat.

[AviatorX]

Honest answer:
1. Bishop is gone (who took some of his playing time) - This is the more obvious answer.
2. Steele has stated he is one of the better 3 pt shooters on the team. If he shows it in a game, he could get more minutes.
3. He looked pretty solid (outside of shooting) in most games he saw action.
4. Foul trouble in a game could allow him to see more minutes (again- especially with Bishop no longer available).

I would imagine he is not going to be getting 15 a game, but I certainly could see Steele giving him some minutes here and there to try to give the team a little spark when other players are flat.

Fair enough. I'm personally expecting absolutely nothing from James.

Q, Scruggs, Naji, Carter, Tyrique, KyKy, Freemantle, Moore. Those 8 are going to play just about 100% of the minutes. I guess Ramsey is a complete wildcard, but health aside, doesn't seem like he's anywhere near ready to contribute.

[IM4X]

Fair enough. I'm personally expecting absolutely nothing from James.

Sometimes, those kind of players end up surprising us most.

I don’t think anyone is expecting him to score 10 a game, but I do think he is capable of playing some solid defense when needed and maybe even hit a few big 3s in some games where others are struggling. If he can do that, I think everyone would be quite happy.

[XUBison]

I’m going to say it... next season could be a sucky one. I suppose this is why some are hopeful to see something from James yet this season, so we can project him as a *meaningful* contributor next season. Makes sense to me, although I agree that there aren’t many indicators that suggest we‘ll see him much this season.

[Final4]

I’m going to say it... next season could be a sucky one.

Maybe so but I'm really looking forward to it. I'm just about ready to turn the page on this chapter of X basketball. Anxiously awaiting to see Tandy, Odom, CJ, and Freemantle on the floor at the same time. Toss in Miles, Colby and Ramsey and we have a very young group that hopefully matures together.

[XU 87]

Maybe so but I'm really looking forward to it. I'm just about ready to turn the page on this chapter of X basketball.

My goodness. This team is 11-3 and right now has a 34 Kenpom ranking.

[Xville]

My goodness. This team is 11-3 and right now has a 34 Kenpom ranking.

Think it has more to do with what many have said here that though we all love xavier basketball, this has not been very enjoyable to watch. There is no cohesion, movement, excitement. Every game is a struggle.

[XU 87]

Think it has more to do with what many have said here that though we all love xavier basketball, this has not been very enjoyable to watch. There is no cohesion, movement, excitement. Every game is a struggle.

If the season ended yesterday, X is in the tourney. Again, the team is 11-3. We’re not playing to hopefully sneak into the NIT.

[Xville]

If the season ended yesterday, X is in the tourney. Again, the team is 11-3. We’re not playing to hopefully sneak into the NIT.

Considering the teams best win is Mizzou by net standards, I wouldn't be so sure of that.

[SM#24]

Jerry Palm has us in the First Four last I saw.

[scoscox]

Jerry Palm has us in the First Four last I saw.

Palm is an idiot, so we should take this as a good sign. i think the consensus of what i've seen is somewhere around an 8 seed

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Honest answer:
1. Bishop is gone and James has already had some non-garbage minutes- this increases his chance to get some more.
2. Steele has stated he is one of the better 3 pt shooters on the team. If he shows it in a game, he could get more minutes.
3. He looked pretty solid (outside of shooting) in most games he saw action.
4. Foul trouble in a game could allow him to see more minutes (again- especially with Bishop no longer available).

I would imagine he is not going to be getting 15 a game, but I certainly could see Steele giving him some minutes here and there to try to give the team a little spark when other players are flat.

If you are married, here are three words you probably do not often hear......……

You were right.

I won't say that James was spectacular tonight and Carter's recent play provides somewhat of a low bar but James played competently tonight. H e missed a couple of free throws but got some important rebounds, moved well with and without the ball and played some important minutes. I think he has earned more minutes. Unfortunately for Carter, they may come at his expense. Carter seems to lack confidence. He missed some wide open looks but, at least based on previous comments, he took the shot. He'll come around but it feels better to know that James can contribute. He's definitely not (based upon tonight) a wasted roster spot. It can't be easy to play so few minutes this far into his X career and then be expected to contribute positively in an important game like tonight.

Hats off to Dontarius!

[IM4X]

If you are married, here are three words you probably do not often hear......……

You were right.

I won't say that James was spectacular tonight and Carter's recent play provides somewhat of a low bar but James played competently tonight. H e missed a couple of free throws but got some important rebounds, moved well with and without the ball and played some important minutes. I think he has earned more minutes. Unfortunately for Carter, they may come at his expense. Carter seems to lack confidence. He missed some wide open looks but, at least based on previous comments, he took the shot. He'll come around but it feels better to know that James can contribute. He's definitely not (based upon tonight) a wasted roster spot. It can't be easy to play so few minutes this far into his X career and then be expected to contribute positively in an important game like tonight.

Hats off to Dontarius!

Yes... hats off to him.

Ha! You got both correct: Married and hearing those 3 those words. So I do appreciate it!!!

I just love kids like James who play hard and make us all proud.

Good to see Steele play him and good to see James play solid for more than 20 minutes. He may not be the athlete that Naji is or shoot from 3 like Kyky and Scruggs, but he played hard, got SJ players to foul him, and was very solid on defense. He certainly proved he can contribute in games - and he is not just wasting a scholarship- as you pointed out.

I am proud of him and even Steele for playing him.

Honestly, I think Steele... just a little bit... wanted to send a message to Bishop that being patient, having the right attitude and proving yourself in practice really can lead to significant minutes in games.

[GIMMFD]

Yes... hats off to him.

Ha! You got both correct: Married and hearing those 3 those words. So I do appreciate it!!!

I just love kids like James who play hard and make us all proud.

Good to see Steele play him and good to see James play solid for more than 20 minutes. He may not be the athlete that Naji is or shoot from 3 like Kyky and Scruggs, but he played hard, got SJ players to foul him, and was very solid on defense. He certainly proved he can contribute in games - and he is not just wasting a scholarship- as you pointed out.

I am proud of him and even Steele for playing him.

Honestly, I think Steele... just a little bit... wanted to send a message to Bishop that being patient, having the right attitude and proving yourself in practice really can lead to significant minutes in games.

James is a class act, the Athletic article where Shannon interviewed him over the summer was great to read, just how ready he was to make the most of his opportunity, seems like the type of kid who just puts his head down and works his ass off to the best of his abilities. I'm really happy for him, that his hard work is paying off. Hopefully he can knock down a couple outside shots soon too! Tandy going 4-6 was wonderful, but if we can have James come in to spell some minutes and be a consistent threat, it opens things up a lot more.

[Xuperman]

Weird. I mention DJ in the 73rd post of a Dahmir Bishop thread and he gets 25 minutes of productive PT out of no where. IM4X must have gotten the same vibe and in hindsight, I think there is a lot of truth in what IMAX said about Steele sending a message...not only to Bishop but to all in that position. Good optics for Ramsey and Miles. Even Hanson to some degree. Think I'll start a new thread.

[IM4X]

James is a class act, the Athletic article where Shannon interviewed him over the summer was great to read, just how ready he was to make the most of his opportunity, seems like the type of kid who just puts his head down and works his ass off to the best of his abilities. I'm really happy for him, that his hard work is paying off. Hopefully he can knock down a couple outside shots soon too! Tandy going 4-6 was wonderful, but if we can have James come in to spell some minutes and be a consistent threat, it opens things up a lot more.

Yeah... agreed. I think he is still a little tentative on offense which is understandable and likely why he is not knocking down 3 (the way Steele and we are hoping) or sinking as many from the line yet. Every game he should grow a little more confident. Again, he’s doesn’t appear quite as athletic as Bishop was, but he did grab eight rebounds (huge), played very solid defense and proved he can drive and draw contact.

[bleedXblue]

Yeah... agreed. I think he is still a little tentative on offense which is understandable and likely why he is not knocking down 3 (the way Steele and we are hoping) or sinking as many from the line yet. Every game he should grow a little more confident. Again, he’s doesn’t appear quite as athletic as Bishop was, but he did grab eight rebounds (huge), played very solid defense and proved he can drive and draw contact.

I like his size at 6'8. Agreed not super athletic, but hes a big body that can move pretty well and hopefully knock down some shots........

[IM4X]

I like his size at 6'8. Agreed not super athletic, but hes a big body that can move pretty well and hopefully knock down some shots........

Yes... Pretty sure we will see him start hitting some 3s... Kyky had a little rusty from 3 for a bit. I too like his longer frame and how he uses it to stay in front of his man and cause him to have to alter his shot.

[XU 87]

I like his size at 6'8. Agreed not super athletic, but hes a big body that can move pretty well and hopefully knock down some shots........

Per my eyeball test, I think he's around 6'5" to 6'6". I think he was listed at 6'7" when he was recruited. That said, he sure seems to offer a lot more on offense that Carter, who appears to be playing with zero confidence when he's out there.

[X-man]

Yes... Pretty sure we will see him start hitting some 3s... Kyky had a little rusty from 3 for a bit. I too like his longer frame and how he uses it to stay in front of his man and cause him to have to alter his shot.

DJ had a BE body at the start of last season, and I was really impressed by his skill set when I saw him practice before the start of last year's season. He has great form on his shot, and can really make the 3-ball. He needed to get confidence and be comfortable with the system. What I saw last night was steps in that direction on both counts.

[IM4X]

DJ had a BE body at the start of last season, and I was really impressed by his skill set when I saw him practice before the start of last year's season. He has great form on his shot, and can really make the 3-ball. He needed to get confidence and be comfortable with the system. What I saw last night was steps in that direction on both counts.

Good to know that someone other than the coaches and players have actually seen look good from 3 (outside of M Madness). It seems some of us are eagerly waiting for him to start hitting them in games.

Agreed about the step in the right direction. Even without that part of his game, he does bring plenty to the team with his defense and ability to draw fouls and get to the line.

[XUGRAD80]

To St. Joseph’s in Philly. Guess he really was homesick. Best of luck to him and sure glad it’s not Temple.

[SM#24]

Following up on the Don James news; Dahmir Bishop is starting and averaging 14/game for the 0-2 St. Joe's Hawks after two games (good opponents, Auburn & Kansas). He's shooting 53% from 3 so far (8/15)...I never saw that coming with that ugly shot of his.