Game Thread: Xavier v. Villanova (December 30, 2019) Big East Conference Game

[Muskie]

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Xavier University Musketeers (11-2,0-0) vs. Villanova (9-2,0-0)
Sunday, December 30, 2019 at 6:30 p.m.
Villanova, Pennsylvania

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops) (TBD)



Television: FS1






Xavier Radio: Xavier Gameday App (available in your phone's app store) with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).










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Xavier defeated TCU (Link (https://goxavier.com/news/2019/12/22/mens-basketball-jones-scruggs-post-double-figures-in-victory-over-tcu.aspx))
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[GoMuskies]

I've spent almost zero time thinking about this game before today. I generally just assume that we're going to get annihilated in Philly. Now that it's game day, I'm foolishly getting my hopes up. Is it finally time for us to win there? We've won in every other Big East venue, right?

[Xville]

Yep...last place to get a roadkill. If the defense travels and they are able to keep the game in the 60s, they have a chance!

[Muskie]

I’m calling an X win. Take it to the bank. It’s that type of season.


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[JTG]

Yep...last place to get a roadkill. If the defense travels and they are able to keep the game in the 60s, they have a chance!

Soooooo, You're sayin' there's a chance ?

[atljar]

Soooooo, You're sayin' there's a chance ?

Well according to the map, Philadelphia is only 4 inches away!

[Xuperman]

If the defense travels and they are able to keep the game in the 60s, they have a chance!

If they brick 31 3's we blow their doors off!!

[xu koop scoop]

Watching from sunny Fla. I want to be entertained for 40 minutes. That means X having a chance to win up to the final minute

[UCGRAD4X]

Nova. On the road. Opening BE play.

On the surface and Muskie Meltdown in the making.

And yet, so much uncertainty surrounds this team and the Big East in general.

I choose to watch today with an "anything can happen" perspective.

[X-band '01]

https://youtu.be/L9sras26ClE?t=2

[Masterofreality]

I've spent almost zero time thinking about this game before today. I generally just assume that we're going to get annihilated in Philly. Now that it's game day, I'm foolishly getting my hopes up. Is it finally time for us to win there? We've won in every other Big East venue, right?

This is me. All I know is that this Conference Season is going to be 180 wars. It is truly impossible to tell what the hell is going to happen night after night.

The league only has 2 non-conference games left to be played, and both of them by Villanova, vs Temple and UConn. The league will probably be 103-25 for an .804 winning percentage and possibly the #1 League ranking, Is that any good?
The only real disappointment has been Providence..and they boatraced Texas leading to an 8-2 Big East win in the B12-BE Challenge. And some insane writer last year named Dan Wolken from USA Today, predicted that the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC would surpass the Big East as far as Conference ranking this year. Newsflash- The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is 7th in ranking while the BE is either 1 or 2 depending on who you believe.

Anyway, buckle up. It's gonna be a ride.

[X-band '01]

The American needs to look in the mirror and start competing with the Atlantic 10, not the Big East.

[Xville]

Great start! IM feeling it tonight. Chaching

[KabeX]

Ugh. Can't make a layup

[scoscox]

little sloppy

[GoMuskies]

Villanova seems to have adjusted after the first TO.

[Xville]

And there we go...rushed shots, bad decisions ugh...come on boys

[coasterville95]

Great first war. Second war, not so much.

At the watch party over at Listermann’s


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[KabeX]

Yep, here we go.

[GoMuskies]

This looks all too familiar.

[AviatorX]

It gets overshadowed because the guards make such visible bonehead decisions, but Tyrique Jones really just isn't a high level big man. Can't play through him at all. He's very very good in a limited role.

[Xville]

Same shit every year there.

[KabeX]

Bout time we get a call

[Xville]

It gets overshadowed because the guards make such visible bonehead decisions, but Tyrique Jones really just isn't a high level big man. Can't play through him at all.

I'm so freaking sick of him clanging dunks and layups. Shit is getting really old.

[GoMuskies]

I like the shots KyKy is getting even if they're just off.

[HenryMuto]

Was excited for this game. Start up 8-4 then............15 straight for Nova WTF

[bjf123]

Was excited for this game. Start up 8-4 then............15 straight for Nova WTF

And this is surprising because......


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[KabeX]

17 Straight

[GoMuskies]

Our defense is atrocious today.

[KabeX]

Gonna be a long, long night

[Xville]

Can someone explain to me what Bryce moore does to earn playing time? The guy is not good.

[XUBob]

As I told one of my friends earlier in the day I was getting ready for our annual Philly beat down. That place has voodoo energy over X. I thought Steele should have called a timeout so 10-8 to stop momentum, didn’t happen, now behind the eight ball. Not really pissed in reality we aren’t on Villanova’s level in personnel or coaching.

[xu82]

Our defense is atrocious today.

That’s just so it matches our offense.

[AviatorX]

I'm so freaking sick of him clanging dunks and layups. Shit is getting really old.

Steele won't do it and I understand the thought of overpowering Villanova inside, but I wouldn't hate seeing some Carter at the 5 if we're gonna get killed anyway. Tyrique isn't good enough to execute that game plan (against any high-major team). Again, he's still a very good player and I'm glad he's a Muskie.

[KabeX]

3 guys just standing there flat footed and Nova still gets the RB

[coasterville95]

With the start I was just hoping this would be our year but it seems like, as Chris Mack called it “Our annual trip to Philly for our a** Whipping is in full effect.

I’m other news - Listermann has tapped a Dartanan Dunkel for tonight. Should I try one to change our luck?


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[GoMuskies]

Try several to forget the game!

[Masterofreality]

Ok.

I AM SICK AND TIRED of seeing other well coached teams run successful pick and rolls and back door cuts against Xavier because of ball movement and schematics, while Xavier just plays around the 3 point line then tries to do an entry pass that may or may not get to the recipient. There is too much one on one and lack of precision in Steeles offense and it is so evident against teams like Nova.
We are in for a very long conference season where our offense gets severely outcoached unless something changes. Steele has had the chance to do it over the break, but nothing has changed. I know this game isn't over yet, but there is too much "Mick Cronin" in this offense and not enough Jay Wright.

[Xville]

As I told one of my friends earlier in the day I was getting ready for our annual Philly beat down. That place has voodoo energy over X. I thought Steele should have called a timeout so 10-8 to stop momentum, didn’t happen, now behind the eight ball. Not really pissed in reality we aren’t on Villanova’s level in personnel or coaching.

Coaching I dunno. Personnel by far. Think I saw they have 8 or 9 top 100 guys on their roster. X has 4

[Xville]

Ok.

I AM SICK AND TIRED of seeing other well coached teams run successful pick and rolls and back door cuts against Xavier because of ball movement and schematics, while Xavier just plays around the 3 point line then tries to do an entry pass that may or may not get to the recipient. There is too much one on one and lack of precision in Steeles offense and it is so evident against teams like Nova.
We are in for a very long conference season where our offense gets severely outcoached unless something changes. Steele has had the chance to do it over the break, but nothing has changed. I know this game isn't over yet, but there is too much "Mick Cronin" in this offense and not enough Jay Wright.

We have missed 4 or 5 layups or dunks. That has zero to do with coaching.

[KabeX]

And getting no help whatsoever from the zebras. Horrible call on Naji

[GoMuskies]

Our upperclassmen, core four have just been awful today.

[KabeX]

This is just downright embarrassing ... AGAIN.

[bjf123]

I’ll be happy if we’re down single digits at the half.


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[GoMuskies]

Ok, just 9. Little run before half?

[KabeX]

And Wright calls a TO to stem the mini run. Please take a note Travis.

[AviatorX]

X is still playing really, really hard. Can't fault that. Missing so many chippies though. To have it 8 or less at the half would be a huge win.

BTW - very inspiring to see future hall of famer Gillespie take a charge. Can't believe it took 15 minutes of game time.

[XUBob]

I agree I have never understood either Mack or Steele’s use of time outs.

[drudy23]

How many straight line drives to the bucket are we gonna give them?

[KabeX]

Nice over the back non-call there

[KabeX]

I love Naji - even more when he doesn't take a quick 3 w. no one under

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can we all just agree not to watch/post about the Nova road games from here on out?

[GoMuskies]

Defense has tightened up quite a bit. Nice.

[KabeX]

Can we all just agree not to watch/post about the Nova road games from here on out?

That thought crossed my mind more than once. Not sure why I subject myself ... when actually I do.

[bjf123]

I’ll be happy if we’re down single digits at the half.


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Okay. I’m happy.


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[drudy23]

Story of the last 2 years all in one half - when we play together as a team, we can hang with anyone.

If we play selfishly and independently, we can't.

I don't understand what it takes for these guys to realize this. You can't have 10 minute stretches where you completely lose focus of that.

[KabeX]

Lots to clean up. We'll see how Travis adjusts. Because Wright is pretty good at that.

[noteggs]

Zach with a huge dunk put back...think I like that guy

[AviatorX]

Nova is really, really mediocre without Gillespie on the court.

X can definitely compete in this league, regardless of what happens in this second half. Would be nice to pop the lid off the bucket on a couple threes though and see what happens.

[Masterofreality]

We have missed 4 or 5 layups or dunks. That has zero to do with coaching.

Are you watching the game? Nova gets their layups off of movement and scheme. We're one on one.
The difference is stunning.

See, one on one off of a ball screen offense is a bail out as a coach. It takes precision and something more sophisticated to teach effective pick & rolls and to create back doors. When was the last time we've seen a Xavier team run a slip screen or P & R? Like, errrrrr, NEVER?

[AviatorX]

I agree I have never understood either Mack or Steele’s use of time outs.

But after Wright called his, the lead actually shrunk. Fire Jay Wright?

Calling for momentum timeouts is one of the weakest criticisms of coaching, IMO. Do people just do it because it's an easy thing to complain about?

[coasterville95]

Down 7. At Half. On road. to Nova - somehow I’ll take it.

Now can we hope Santa brought us some lovely half time adjustments for Christmas?



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[drudy23]

Are you watching the game? Nova gets their layups off of movement and scheme. We're one on one.
The difference is stunning.

Nova is the perfect combination of basketball skill, athleticism and basketball IQ. It's why they're always really good.

[AviatorX]

Are you watching the game? Nova gets their layups off of movement and scheme. We're one on one.
The difference is stunning.

Breaking news - Villanova offense better than Xavier's (and pretty much the rest of the country).

That doesn't change the fact that Xavier missed at least a handful of 95%+ shots in the course of that 17-0 run.

[Xville]

Down 7..I will freaking take it. Make a couple of gimmies and we are winning

[KabeX]

It doesn't seem like it but Nova aint shooting like Nova (38% / 27% 3PT). They do have 7 more RBs tho. That can't happen.

[SkyWalker]

With the start I was just hoping this would be our year but it seems like, as Chris Mack called it “Our annual trip to Philly for our a** Whipping is in full effect.

I’m other news - Listermann has tapped a Dartanan Dunkel for tonight. Should I try one to change our luck?


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Do you deliver?

[Xville]

Are you watching the game? Nova gets their layups off of movement and scheme. We're one on one.
The difference is stunning.

Yeah our defense was atrocious for 10 minutes, that has nothing to do with the fact x missed at least 5 point blank layups...many off pick and rolls

[AviatorX]

I'm sure it will be tempting to play Tyrique 12 or so minutes in the second half, but I'm just not sure that's the move.

Feels like Naji can really get it going here.

[coasterville95]

Sky walker if you come up to me at Listermann’s before the end of the game, I will buy you a Dartagnans Dunkel - must bring light saber as proof of ID


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[drudy23]

Paging KyKy...KyKy, are you with us? We could use some jumper that fall.

[xavierj]

Breaking news - Villanova offense better than Xavier's (and pretty much the rest of the country).

That doesn't change the fact that Xavier missed at least a handful of 95%+ shots in the course of that 17-0 run.

This is true. Actually missed 11 shots in the paint area and 3 free throws. Very high % shots. Xavier can get inside at will, but need to make the shots.

[Masterofreality]

Breaking news - Villanova offense better than Xavier's (and pretty much the rest of the country).

That doesn't change the fact that Xavier missed at least a handful of 95%+ shots in the course of that 17-0 run.

We have an experienced team and Villanova is pretty young, yet...

Nova can run this stuff and we don't/can't. Steele has had these guys for a long time yet Nova's freshmen can run effective stuff. We F around the 3 point line with a ball screen with Jrs/Srs

[noteggs]

Breaking news - Villanova offense better than Xavier's (and pretty much the rest of the country).

That doesn't change the fact that Xavier missed at least a handful of 95%+ shots in the course of that 17-0 run.

Yes this

[drudy23]

We have an experienced team and Villanova is pretty young, yet...

Nova can run this stuff and we don't/can't. Steele has had these guys for a long time yet Nova's freshmen can run effective stuff. We F around the 3 point line with a ball screen with Jrs/Srs

Jay Wright > most

[Masterofreality]

Nova is the perfect combination of basketball skill, athleticism and basketball IQ. It's why they're always really good.

Aaaaaaaand. They are young. We are not. Why not us? Hmmmmmmm

[XUBob]

After watching X for the last few years let leads shrink of opponents leads expand I think using a timeout to regroup is warranted. I wish the players could do it on the floor but in recent years that hasn’t been the case. Just looking for a change in strategy from time to time.

[drudy23]

Aaaaaaaand. They are young. We are not. Why not us? Hmmmmmmm

1. Our players aren't in the same stratosphere when it comes to basketball IQ
2. Wright's recruiting profile includes players with high basketball IQ
3. See #1
4. And yes, Jay Wright > 99.99999999999% of basketball coaches on the planet

I'd bet a Cintas pretzel Jay Wright would have our guys running a fluid offense.

[AviatorX]

We have an experienced team and Villanova is pretty young, yet...

Nova can run this stuff and we don't/can't. Steele has had these guys for a long time yet Nova's freshmen can run effective stuff. We F around the 3 point line with a ball screen with Jrs/Srs

If Xavier ran offense as effectively as Villanova, they'd be in the top 5 right now. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make - this run Wright and Nova are on over the past handful of years is literally one of the most efficient offensive stretches in the history of college basketball. Not to mention Nova's "young" includes multiple recruits that would be the highest rated prospects in Xavier history.

Xavier's offense is a top ~50 unit. Could it be better? Of course. But it's not some abject disaster especially when you look at roster makeup (fine with me if you want to blame Steele for that).

While we're at it, it sucks that X can't execute the packline as effectively as UVA.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Are you watching the game? Nova gets their layups off of movement and scheme. We're one on one.
The difference is stunning.

See, one on one off of a ball screen offense is a bail out as a coach. It takes precision and something more sophisticated to teach effective pick & rolls and to create back doors. When was the last time we've seen a Xavier team run a slip screen or P & R? Like, errrrrr, NEVER?

I don't get it-----I really don't. This is an on-going comment about Xavier's offense. Over and over and over again with little changing for the better. Isn't this on Steele? Isn't this what he is supposed to do----get these guys to play team basketball?

Looking forward, more than I ever thought I would, to the Dwon Odom era.

Now, where are my heart meds? Where are those pills?

[Xville]

1. Our players aren't in the same stratosphere when it comes to basketball IQ
2. Wright's recruiting profile includes players with high basketball IQ
3. See #1
4. And yes, Jay Wright > 99.99999999999% of basketball coaches on the planet

And mcdonald all americans...do people not seriously understand they recruit at a different level than x does currently?

I mean If people really need to understand do me a favor and take a look at nova's 2019 recruiting class

[drudy23]

And mcdonald all americans...do people not seriously understand they recruit at a different level than x does currently?

The difference is IQ and execution, period.

[xavierj]

Aaaaaaaand. They are young. We are not. Why not us? Hmmmmmmm

I get your point, but Samuels and Gillespie are the same year as Scruggs and Marshall. It’s not like they are playing 5 freshman and Xavier is playing 5 seniors. They do have 2 freshman they have done well as has Fremantle.

[bjf123]

The big difference is they took 7 more shots than we did thanks to 8 offensive rebounds.


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[AviatorX]

I never get an answer to this question, but I'm just curious: what KP offensive efficiency rating would people be satisfied with this season?

[drudy23]

I never get an answer to this question, but I'm just curious: what KP offensive efficiency rating would people be satisfied with this season?

One that gets us in the tournament.

[Xville]

The difference is IQ and execution, period.

And talent

[Xville]

One that gets us in the tournament.

X will be in the tournament

[xu82]

What a flop! He was half way down before Q touched him!

[drudy23]

And talent

There's no way Colin Gillespie was a 5 star or McD AA. He's carving us with his IQ.

The past few years, their talent was better. The team we're playing right now is not significantly more talented than X.

[coasterville95]

Down to -4 are half time adjustment helping?

I adjusted from IPAs to Dartagnan’s Dunkel at half https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191231/a38b8cf90e50e98b68337242fa51b6aa.jpg


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[Xville]

There's no way Colin Gillespie was a 5 star or McD AA. He's carving us with his IQ.

The past few years, their talent was better. The team we're playing right now is not significantly more talented than X.

Take a look at their 2019 and 18 recruiting class and tell me that again.

With that said, you are right on with gilespie.

[GoMuskies]

I never get an answer to this question, but I'm just curious: what KP offensive efficiency rating would people be satisfied with this season?

#340 if we win a lot. Who gives a shit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Feels like we played decently to open the second half and now our deficit is 2 more points than at the half. Not good. Or maybe we played bad but it didnt seem like it since I was fully expecting a big Nova run to open half.

[AviatorX]

Lid on the basket. Two by Scruggs and one by Naji in that stretch that easily could have gone down.

Side note - is Cole Swider good against other teams? Not impressed between this game and last year in the BE semis.

[KabeX]

I like the defensive effort. Still need to RB better. Wouldn't mind a little offense from Scruggs but he's working his arse off on D

[GoMuskies]

Feels like we played decently to open the second half and now our deficit is 2 more points than at the half. Not good. Or maybe we played bad but it didnt seem like it since I was fully expecting a big Nova run to open half.

Our offense took a break. Hopefully it returns.

[Xville]

There's a pick and roll for a dunk for the idiots who think we dont run them.

[GoMuskies]

Need some production from KyKy. Naji just took a very Naji-esque shot.

[Xville]

Need some production from KyKy. Naji just took a very Naji-esque shot.

Agreed...a make or two from kyky would be a huge spark. Captain obvious but we need some shooters badly.

[Masterofreality]

Credit:

A Xavier pick and roll for a basket at 14:38 of the second half.

[GoMuskies]

If we've got a play for Tandy, let's see it here. If he's not shooting, he's not really helping right now.

[drudy23]

Have we made a three?

[Xville]

Difference between xavier and villanova....nova can shoot

[bjf123]

Have we made a three?

Nope.


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[KabeX]

No 3s for us. I think we'll need a few to get back in it.

[KabeX]

Need some stops too. Cue the Capt. Obvious comment.

[drudy23]

When does Freemantle crack the starting lineup? Love his game.

[KabeX]

I think that Freemantle kid is going to be pretty good

[GoMuskies]

This is more fun than most games at Nova. Low bar for sure.

[bjf123]

No 3s for us. I think we'll need a few to get back in it.

We’re 0-6 and they’re 4-17 from 3.


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[Xville]

I think it's time to start free and let carter sub in.

Carter and moore have been super disappointing imo

[Masterofreality]

Credit:

MUCH better ball movement and cuts in the second half.
Would be nice if we could make a 3 tho

[drudy23]

I think it's time to start free and let carter sub in.


This.

[KabeX]

It's a weird game - we're shooting better 6% but getting out rebounded. Not getting to the line either. We're in it tho. Let's see what they can do

[Xville]

Fucking gilespie...gawd I hate that little shit.

Carter is garbage

[drudy23]

How can Scruggs be so good and so inconsistent at the same time?

Don't even feel like he's on the floor.

[Xville]

How can Scruggs be so good and so inconsistent at the same time?

Don't even feel like he's on the floor.

Hes been like a ghost the last two games.

[GoMuskies]

At least Naji showed. I'm okay leaving Tandy out there a bit longer and keeping Q sitting. Or bring Q in for Paul. Paul is not having a day.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

3pt and FT shootings are letting us down, as usual.

[XUBob]

As much as I want him to play better I think we have seen Carter’s ceiling. He is a complimentary player, he was in the MAC for a reason. A good piece but this league/competition is at a higher level than he is used to.

[xavierj]

It's a weird game - we're shooting better 6% but getting out rebounded. Not getting to the line either. We're in it tho. Let's see what they can do

It’s weird. Xavier is pounding it inside but are not getting any foul calls. Usually the team that is aggressive inside gets calls. Not so much today.

[noteggs]

Fucking gilespie...gawd I hate that little shit.

Carter is garbage

Starting to think Gillespie only shows up for us. Good player but seriously

[drudy23]

Stupid ass shot again. WHYYYYYYYYYYY????????

Sooooooo dumb.

[GoMuskies]

Naji WTF

[KabeX]

At least Carter can shoot FTs

[GoMuskies]

Need a kill

[drudy23]

I cannot stand refs and charges. It's out of control.

Even the players have all realized how dumb the refs are.

[KabeX]

Horrible pathetic call

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thats a terrible call on Jones

[GoMuskies]

Goodin misses a big 3. Shocker.

[KabeX]

Dumb

[GoMuskies]

Fucking Q.

[KabeX]

Why we can't box out ...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Rebounding will be the biggest reason we lose this one.

[drudy23]

Too sloppy. Too dumb.

Will never beat teams like Villanova playing sloppy and dumb.

[Xville]

And that's the ballgame. Fucking gilespie...

[stammina0721]

Hey stat geeks. Who is the last division one team to not make a three in a game?

[AviatorX]

Offensive foul calls are absolutely out of control in college basketball. It's insane.

No impact on this game, but it's just so horrendous to watch as a fan.

[paulxu]

Somehow Wofford made 14 3's against UNC and 10 against Duke.

Why can't we recruit somebody (anybody) who can make a damn 3 pt shot.

[drudy23]

Hey stat geeks. Who is the last division one team to not make a three in a game?

Us next week.

[bjf123]

0-7 from 3 vs 7-23 ain’t gonna cut it.


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[GoMuskies]

At least Steele realized his mistake in having Q in the game. Too late.

[bourbonman]

At least Steele realized his mistake in having Q in the game. Too late.

Lack of a solid point guard will kill us

[X-band '01]

Daddy's getting the belt ready.

[XU 87]

Nova has been the tougher team.

[AviatorX]

I mean there's just nothing you can do when Nova drops in 3's like that.

[Xville]

Really hard to win games when you dont make 3s..

[GoMuskies]

We get Jones at the line for one and one when the TO ends. Yay.

[AviatorX]

Somehow Wofford made 14 3's against UNC and 10 against Duke.

Why can't we recruit somebody (anybody) who can make a damn 3 pt shot.

They're also 293rd defensively on KenPom, so...

[GoMuskies]

I mean there's just nothing you can do when Nova drops in 3's like that.

At a 7 for 23 clip?

[mistabeecee41]

I mean there's just nothing you can do when Nova drops in 3's like that.

They’ve been shooting like shit for most of the game and still dominated us

[XU 87]

Offensive foul calls are absolutely out of control in college basketball. It's insane.

No impact on this game, but it's just so horrendous to watch as a fan.

Make any contact with defender, defender falls down, charge.

[drudy23]

I better not hear any Croninesque BS from Steele about what the players have to do.

Get your damn team playing as a unit.

[noteggs]

I mean there's just nothing you can do when Nova drops in 3's like that.

Do you mean when we always play Nova?

[kellernr]

I better not hear any Croninesque BS from Steele about what the players have to do.

Get your damn team playing as a unit.Had a good run going then he sends Q back out and the run dies.

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[drudy23]

Can someone explain why Freemantle and Jones can't play at the same time?

[kellernr]

Do you mean when we always play Nova?Nova is 7 of 23 from deep. X is 0 for 7.

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[bjf123]

WTF Naji.


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[drudy23]

Naji is so dumb.

[paulxu]

Too little. Too late.

[GoMuskies]

Fucking Naji has KyKy on the wing and takes that dumb ass shot.

[Xville]

Fucking bad naji....give the ball to tandy...newsflash hes a thousand times better shooter than you.

[drudy23]

Everytime we shoot forced, quick, stupid shots, the other team gets easy looks!!!!!!!!!!!!

How in the hell can these guys not realize this by now? How in the hell can the coach keep allowing this to happen? ITS BEEN 2 YEARS!!!

Jfc!!!!!!!

So effing DUMB!!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Such a dumb shot by Naji. Ugh. I'm not sure it was even a 3.

[XU 87]

Would Steele please tell Naji to stop shooting pull up fade away threes? He doesn’t make them. So damn frustrating to watch, over and over again.

(I preach to the choir.)

[kellernr]

Can someone explain why Freemantle and Jones can't play at the same time?I'm trying to figure out why freemantle gets 15 min per game and Carter gets 30+. Indentical builds and freemantle brings way more energy and scoring than carter

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[AviatorX]

At a 7 for 23 clip?

I mean, fairly obvious I was referencing the two tough ones Gillespie and Samuels made back to back.

[xu82]

That was Naji being Naji. It worked against UC. I did not intend to sell my soul to the devil. I need to look at the fine print.....

[KabeX]

Movin on to St. Johns. Better take care of business at home.

[Xville]

Positive note...this may be the first time we lose at nova by less than 10

[bjf123]

Fucking Naji has KyKy on the wing and takes that dumb ass shot.

I’ve noticed a few times when KyKy is in the game and open, they ignore him. Intentional?


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[GoMuskies]

I mean, fairly obvious I was referencing the two tough ones Gillespie and Samuels made back to back.

I guess, but they didn't really shoot well. Plenty Xavier could have done. Occasionally tough shots go in.

[AviatorX]

Christ, Naji. If you're going to take terrible jumpers, lets at least keep your feet behind the line.

X will be fine. This is a top 4 Big East team for sure.

[GoMuskies]

Fuck that being KyKy's first shot of the second half. Fuck, fuck, fuck

[drudy23]

I'm trying to figure out why freemantle gets 15 min per game and Carter gets 30+. Indentical builds and freemantle brings way more energy and scoring than carter

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This x 1000

[D-West & PO-Z]

Someone smarter than me please explain to me why every single team we play can clear out space for their PG at the top, set a screen, and that then sets up an easy score one way or the other for that team. Why can literally every team, even the bad ones, do that to us and I dont remember ever seeing us do that?

[stammina0721]

I really want to know the last team in D1 that didn't make a three

[drudy23]

I’ve noticed a few times when KyKy is in the game and open, they ignore him. Intentional?


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I've notice the same, especially Naji.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Can someone explain why Freemantle and Jones can't play at the same time?

I'm O.K. with that. but, honestly, I think the more I see of Freemantle and the more playing time, he gets, he is better than Tyrique. He makes free throws, he doesn't miss multiple dunks, he can turn and face the basket without becoming an immediate liability, he hasn't committed a bunch of dumb fouls or turned the ball over.

We need Tyrique to have a good season but, from this game on, I'd start Freemantle. Freemantle is still improving while Tyrique has peaked and isn't getting better.

[GoMuskies]

I really want to know the last team in D1 that didn't make a three

Not us! Yay?

[bjf123]

I've notice the same, especially Naji.

Yep.


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[drudy23]

I also don't want to hear "we fought til the end" - screw that. No moral victories. We can beat this team.

[Xville]

Can we start running plays for kyky to get open...ya know since he and scruggs are the only ones on the team that can consistently shoot?

[GoMuskies]

Such a meh performance. Doesn't look bad, but we never had a shot. And Nova is just not that good this year.

[stammina0721]

I'd rather do something special by not hitting one. Making one is just dumb now

[Xville]

I also don't want to hear "we fought til the end" - screw that. No moral victories. We can beat this team.

We can if naji stops thinking hes lebron

[GoMuskies]

Here comes our shot to beat the spread. would be a nice consolation prize.

[AviatorX]

Such a meh performance. Doesn't look bad, but we never had a shot. And Nova is just not that good this year.

1000% agreed. That said, this is the top of the league on the road. Every BE game is winnable.

[Xville]

Such a meh performance. Doesn't look bad, but we never had a shot. And Nova is just not that good this year.

Nova isnt that good but they will probably still win the league and they did just beat kansas.

[drudy23]

Can we start running plays for kyky to get open...ya know since he and scruggs are the only ones on the team that can consistently shoot?

Well, Steele already said he's only learning the 1. I'm guessing there's not alot of plays designed to get your point guard a shot.

He needs to shoot more.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Everytime we shoot forced, quick, stupid shots, the other team gets easy looks!!!!!!!!!!!!

How in the hell can these guys not realize this by now? How in the hell can the coach keep allowing this to happen? ITS BEEN 2 YEARS!!!

Jfc!!!!!!!

So effing DUMB!!!!

This is why I need meds!

[Lloyd Braun]

1000% agreed. That said, this is the top of the league on the road. Every BE game is winnable.

And losable.

[GoMuskies]

Nova isnt that good but they will probably still win the league and they did just beat kansas.

Yeah. If Nova shoots a million percent like normal against us, I guess you'd just tip your cap. But Villanova didn't even play that well. Just toyed with us and gave us a pat on the head at the end.

[Drew]

Make Goodin a back up PG. Start kyky or bryce moore alongside scruggs.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can we start running plays for kyky to get open...ya know since he and scruggs are the only ones on the team that can consistently shoot?

Can KyKy shoot? I guess he doesnt get the volume to show it but his limited shots in game have not gone in. I havent looked but off top of my head has he made more than 3 threes?

[xu82]

Well, Steele already said he's only learning the 1. I'm guessing there's not alot of plays designed to get your point guard a shot.

He needs to shoot more.

Playing the 1 hasn’t stopped Q from shooting WAY TOO MUCH.

A season is a lifetime, I just want us showing progress. Peak in March!

[XUBison]

I get a little bit dumber every time I watch this team play. This may have nothing to do with the games themselves, but I’m sure it’s happening.

[KabeX]

Playing the 1 hasn’t stopped Q from shooting WAY TOO MUCH.

A season is a lifetime, I just want us showing progress. Peak in March!

This.

[GoMuskies]

Q's +/- today must have been absurd bad. Was in for all the bad stretches, but he missed at least two of the better stretches.

[drudy23]

Playing the 1 hasn’t stopped Q from shooting WAY TOO MUCH.

A season is a lifetime, I just want us showing progress. Peak in March!

There's a reason he's always open.

[Muskie in dayton]

Next time Naji takes an ill-advised, dumb ass shot that kills our momentum, I need to see Steele call a time out, walk on the floor, yank Naji to the bench by his ear, sit his ass at the end of the bench, and spend the next 5 minutes screaming at him until stray spit drops saturate his face.

If he keeps enabling that stupidity.... fire Steele. I can’t watch this crap anymore.

[drudy23]

Don't want to hear anymore post-game threats from Steele.

Make the changes that need to be made.

[AviatorX]

Next time Naji takes an ill-advised, dumb ass shot that kills our momentum, I need to see Steele call a time out, walk on the floor, yank Naji to the bench by his ear, sit his ass at the end of the bench, and spend the next 5 minutes screaming at him until stray spit drops saturate his face.

If he keeps enabling that stupidity.... fire Steele. I can’t watch this crap anymore.

So you want the Mick Cronin approach?

It’s on Naji at some point (hint: we are wayyyyyy past that point).

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Vegas is right again with the score. They are GOOD......much better than me!

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Don't want to hear anymore post-game threats from Steele.

Make the changes that need to be made.

He hasn't had the job but one and half seasons. I get that. But, I'm starting to have some doubts as to whether (or not) Steele can coach. Same issues, same type of play, same problems over and over. Why do these guys have trouble showing up for a game like tonight? This was not the Nova powerhouse of years past. Yes, its Nova and its Nova at home. They play consistently well in this game. We play consistently bad.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Final line right before tipoff was Nova -6. Crazy.

[AviatorX]

Someone smarter than me please explain to me why every single team we play can clear out space for their PG at the top, set a screen, and that then sets up an easy score one way or the other for that team. Why can literally every team, even the bad ones, do that to us and I dont remember ever seeing us do that?

X can’t effectively space the floor because no one is a perimeter threat.

[drudy23]

He hasn't had the job but one and half seasons. I get that. But, I'm starting to have some doubts as to whether (or not) Steele can coach. Same issues, same type of play, same problems over and over. Why do these guys have trouble showing up for a game like tonight? This was not the Nova powerhouse of years past. Yes, its Nova and its Nova at home. They play consistently well in this game. We play consistently bad.

I think they showed up. They played hard. They just play so stupid. And I agree with you there about the low IQ basketball can continue to be enabled without consequence. That's all on Steele.

[Muskie in dayton]

That was Naji being Naji.

I’d prefer instead Naji be a smart, team-oriented basketball player.

[Xville]

I know naji is uber talented, and q has done some good things, but I honestly believe that because of their awful decision making and selfish play, they hurt the team as much as they help. I hope they lead us to a final four, but I'm ready to turn the page on both of them.

[XUBob]

I really think the best attribute of this team is effort and tenacity. Hard to watch at times, head scratching play but man they sick with it and play hard always. Hoping that will serve them well in the rest of league play

[Muskie in dayton]

So you want the Mick Cronin approach?

It’s on Naji at some point (hint: we are wayyyyyy past that point).

No sheesh. I didn’t say I wanted coach to take Naji’s shirt off!!
Bobby Knight style? Yes. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[drudy23]

I know naji is uber talented, and q has done some good things, but I honestly believe that because of their awful decision making and selfish play, they hurt the team as much as they help.

It's probably impossible to quantify, but this is undisputed.

[AviatorX]

I know naji is uber talented, and q has done some good things, but I honestly believe that because of their awful decision making and selfish play, they hurt the team as much as they help. I hope they lead us to a final four, but I'm ready to turn the page on both of them.

I just want one NCAA tournament win and to go into the second half of round 2 with a chance at the second weekend.

Anything short of that this year (and most years for X) is a failure in my book.

[bleedXblue]

It's probably impossible to quantify, but this is undisputed.

Without any question they can make some great plays and then the next time down the court make dumb, bone headed decisions. I don't know how you "coach" that up?

[drudy23]

New starting lineup:

Naji (short leash if he's stupid)
Freemantle (definitely should happen)
Scruggs
Tyrique
KyKy (probably wont happen)

[drudy23]

Without any question they can make some great plays and then the next time down the court make dumb, bone headed decisions. I don't know how you "coach" that up?

You sit their ass on the pine when they do it. You hold them accountable for making decisions that negatively impact the team.

This isn't about talent, it's about decision-making and checking your ego for the team.

There was zero chance he was making that pass to a wide open KyKy in a huge situation for the team. That's selfish. He needs to recognize he's not Myles Powell or Trevon Blueitt.

[xu82]

There's a reason he's always open.

How many guesses do I get?

[xu82]

I’d prefer instead Naji be a smart, team-oriented basketball player.

That sounds a little greedy, but where do I sign?

[Xville]

20 shots from naji...0-5 from 3. You are not lebron.

No reason he should be shooting that much. I dont know how you get thru to the guy unless you sit him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I just want one NCAA tournament win and to go into the second half of round 2 with a chance at the second weekend.

Anything short of that this year (and most years for X) is a failure in my book.

I agree with this.

Make the tourney, wine one game and have shot in the second to advance.

That is a successful year this year.

Not making it or making it and losing first round is unsuccessful.

[X Factor]

I wish there was a stat that kept track of low IQ plays.

[JTG]

The ignoring KyKy is just fucking stupid. But then Naji and Qs combined bball IQs is rock bottom. That 3 he hit, and block on the other end was sweet. Surely Steele sees them ignoring wide open Tandy. Is the fact Steele never played an issue ? Because other assts have been head coach and control was not an issue, but it seems to be with Steele.

[Xville]

Looking forward to the future of the program. I know he probably wont but would love to see paul stay, and see what he looks like without naji and q and their terrible decision making.

Even without him though, I look forward to a new nucleus with odom, tandy, free and hopefully bishop or one of the other freshmen. I dont ever remember guys at xavier being this consistently bad at decision making and selfish play as upper classmen. Its not fun to watch.

[bleedXblue]

You sit their ass on the pine when they do it. You hold them accountable for making decisions that negatively impact the team.

This isn't about talent, it's about decision-making and checking your ego for the team.

There was zero chance he was making that pass to a wide open KyKy in a huge situation for the team. That's selfish. He needs to recognize he's not Myles Powell or Trevon Blueitt.

My point was in the context of believing that you either have high BB IQ or you don't.

To counter your point Naji has made that shot twice this year in huge situations. I do agree the correct decision there was the pass to KyKy.

The bigger issue continues to be the inability to run consistent offensive sets and get guys good open looks. Ball movement is virtually non existent and late in the game we struggled to run simple screens to get guys open 3's. Travis without any question needs a guy on the bench that can help him here. Its brutal.

[xu82]

I agree with this.

Make the tourney, wine one game and have shot in the second to advance.

That is a successful year this year.

Not making it or making it and losing first round is unsuccessful.

That’s how I see it. Make the dance, get a win and keep building. We have some questionable chemistry and decision making right now, but we can turn the page and get to the next level.

[X Factor]

Nova is just way more fundamentally sound than Xavier. That is clear as day.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Looking forward to the future of the program. I know he probably wont but would love to see paul stay, and see what he looks like without naji and q and their terrible decision making.

Even without him though, I look forward to a new nucleus with odom, tandy, free and hopefully bishop or one of the other freshmen. I dont ever remember guys at xavier being this consistently bad at decision making and selfish play as upper classmen. Its not fun to watch.

In all the years I've been following Xavier (and it goes back to before Larkin arrived), I cannot recall being so ready to move on from a group of players. But, I think this team's play also reflects badly on Steele.

[Drew]

Looking forward to the future of the program. I know he probably wont but would love to see paul stay, and see what he looks like without naji and q and their terrible decision making.

Even without him though, I look forward to a new nucleus with odom, tandy, free and hopefully bishop or one of the other freshmen. I dont ever remember guys at xavier being this consistently bad at decision making and selfish play as upper classmen. Its not fun to watch.

Ditto. Two years of this team has me tired. Fortunately the future looks bright.

[drudy23]

If Jay Wright is the coach of Xavier, would we still be seeing this type of selfish, independent play? We all know the answer to that.

I think there are still some respect issues with a coach in his first head coaching gig.

At some point, you have to make some tough decisions that you think will benefit the team.

[bleedXblue]

In all the years I've been following Xavier (and it goes back to before Larkin arrived), I cannot recall being so ready to move on from a group of players. But, I think this team's play reflects badly on Steele.

What you want to see is improvement in certain areas. Its one step forward and two steps back. Agreed that it's time that Steele start to show something. This team has talent. His job is to figure out how to maximize that.

[AviatorX]

What you want to see is improvement in certain areas. Its one step forward and two steps back. Agreed that it's time that Steele start to show something. This team has talent. His job is to figure out how to maximize that.

This isn’t completely fair. This team has gone from horrendous to elite on the defensive end in less than a season. Steele deserves credit for that.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

This isn’t completely fair. This team has gone from horrendous to elite on the defensive end in less than a season. Steele deserves credit for that.

I agree this team has improved defensively and, for that, I credit Steele. I do not, at all, agree this team's defensive performance can be described as elite. It is not even close to elite in my opinion.

[xufan2020]

God some of you are insufferable after loses.. looking forward to these players (especially Naji) leaving? You all have no idea how bad our record would be without him.
No matter what, it’s Villanova on the road and it was the closest it’s ever been. FAR better than the beloved 2016 and 2018 teams performed. So much season left

[AviatorX]

I agree this team has improved defensively and, for that, I credit Steele. I do not, at all, agree this team's defensive performance can be described as elite. It is not even close to elite in my opinion.

Ok. I mean we can go with your opinion or the facts. It’s a top 20 defense so you tell me.

[XUBob]

This team is never going to be pretty on offense like the Travon , JP, Kanter group. Steele has figured out that winning on defense (ugly) is our best shot. Not fun to watch but will probably give us our best chance to win. That being said the basketball IQ of this group seems flawed. Not always on the coach, players have to do what they are coached to do. Sure you can yank Naji, Q, and Paul but that will reduce you chances of being successful, fine line to walk. We are in a better place than a year ago. Much work to do, hopefully got our demon out of the way. Let’s see what the season brings.

[bleedXblue]

This isn’t completely fair. This team has gone from horrendous to elite on the defensive end in less than a season. Steele deserves credit for that.

Good point. We are better this year defensively. I was more referring to the offensive side of the ball where we look like a 3rd grade team running the weave at the top of the key every other possession. Its hard to watch

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Ok. I mean we can go with your opinion or the facts. It’s a top 20 defense so you tell me.

How bout we go with my opinion regarding the facts. Take a look at our schedule and look at the quality of teams we have played. Putting defensive stats on Sienna, Jacksonville, Towson, Lipscomb, Mo. State does not, to me, translate as elite.

[AviatorX]

How bout we go with my opinion regarding the facts. Take a look at our schedule and look at the quality of teams we have played. Putting defensive stats on Sienna, Jacksonville, Towson, Lipscomb, Mo. State does not, to me, translate as elite.

Totally agree. You’ll be happy to know Xavier’s adjusted defensive efficiency (which accounts for schedule strength) is 19th in the nation.

[Xville]

How bout we go with my opinion regarding the facts. Take a look at our schedule and look at the quality of teams we have played. Putting defensive stats on Sienna, Jacksonville, Towson, Lipscomb, Mo. State does not, to me, translate as elite.

How about limiting a top 10 offense (kenpom) to 68 points on their home floor...

[paulxu]

In today's college basketball, if you only shoot 1-11 from 3, you're going to lose.

Not sure how you "coach" getting better shooting; but that's why we lost to Nova.

[drudy23]

I don't care what the stats say, we are not elite defensively. I'd say pretty good.

[AviatorX]

I don't care what the stats say, we are not elite defensively. I'd say pretty good.

This is what goes through Naji’s head when he hoists an early three despite being 20% on the year.

[OTRMUSKIE]

All I wanted was X to keep it close and they did. Naji needs to be better coached for sure but for X to lose by 6 to a top 10 team on the road isn’t that bad. This team isn’t going to be pretty but they def have enough talent to make the dance and win a game or two which is all I expected this year. Next year Steele gets no more passes. Nit first year, ncaa second year then I need to see some serious impressive ball.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In today's college basketball, if you only shoot 1-11 from 3, you're going to lose.

Not sure how you "coach" getting better shooting; but that's why we lost to Nova.

I think if we rebound better we can win despite the 1-11 from 3.

[Xville]

All I wanted was X to keep it close and they did. Naji needs to be better coached for sure but for X to lose by 6 to a top 10 team on the road isn’t that bad. This team isn’t going to be pretty but they def have enough talent to make the dance and win a game or two which is all I expected this year. Next year Steele gets no more passes. Nit first year, ncaa second year then I need to see some serious impressive ball.

With how incredibly young we will be next year, I would expect a bit of a step back honestly. However year 4, I am expecting second weekend or more

[IM4X]

In today's college basketball, if you only shoot 1-11 from 3, you're going to lose.

Not sure how you "coach" getting better shooting; but that's why we lost to Nova.

True... X can’t go 1-11 and expect to win many games... but Steele Was out-coached by Wright (especially in the first half). All of Jay’s players know exactly where they are supposed to be and they do a great job of anticipating each other’s next move without telegraphing their next pass like X players.

Xavier has less meaningful movement on offense. They are slower to make passes and even make it obvious where they are going to pass it.

Kyky needs to step up earlier in the game- he looked a little lost most of his time out there.
X needs to get to the line much more often.
Carter needs to learn how to make a layup and he needs to go after loose balls on the floor.
We need Scruggs to have more confidence in his 3 again and take more of them.
Naji is a stud but still needs to learn what a smart shot is at the end of games.
Not sure why Moore played so little - we could have used his defense and 3s.

[bourbonman]

I don't care what the stats say, we are not elite defensively. I'd say pretty good.

Enough said

[Xville]

That game should be the toughest conference game x has this year, just like most years and the team only lost by 6. I know, no moral victories, but just saying based on that, this team should be 500 or better in conference and get back to the tourney.

The talent is there to make a deep run but I dont think it will happen. Dont think a light switch is going to come on for naji and q in terms of better decision making.