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bobbiemcgee
12-14-2019, 04:00 PM
Guess I'll punch this up since it's game time.
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 04:02 PM
Need to win this one. Winning on the road is always tough, but Wake is likely to be one of the two or three worst teams in the ACC.
Muskeagle
12-14-2019, 04:06 PM
viewing possibilities?
noteggs
12-14-2019, 04:11 PM
Their big is out for the game.
SkyWalker
12-14-2019, 04:11 PM
viewing possibilities?
ACC Network
noteggs
12-14-2019, 04:12 PM
viewing possibilities?
ACC network
bjf123
12-14-2019, 04:12 PM
viewing possibilities?
I haven’t found one. FiOptics doesn’t get the ACC Network.
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Jesuit4Life
12-14-2019, 04:12 PM
Let's Go X
bobbiemcgee
12-14-2019, 04:15 PM
Dish 402
stammina0721
12-14-2019, 04:15 PM
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Sounds like way too much work. I'd rather just go to BW3
noteggs
12-14-2019, 04:17 PM
Well we lost our big man for the half
X Factor
12-14-2019, 04:20 PM
First true road game. The shooting percentage is going to be ugly.
paulxu
12-14-2019, 04:22 PM
I guess because ESPN owns the ACCN, if you just go on ESPN's home page, the Xavier game is right there to watch.
paulxu
12-14-2019, 04:23 PM
Very friendly home town refs. Wake already in the bonus with 14 minutes left.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 04:25 PM
Goodin with a typical freshman like turnover
Silly quick 3 attempt by Naji. It’s that stuff that drives me crazy.....but we beat UC, so I’m in a forgiving mood (for a while).
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 04:32 PM
Seton Hall is down 19-3 at Rutgers. Yeesh
Seton Hall is down 19-3 at Rutgers. Yeesh
Seton Hall will be my home game this year. I promise, they will look terrific that night! That’s just the way it goes.....
xukeith
12-14-2019, 04:36 PM
It is early in the season. X has not yet beat any good opponent yet nor shown offensive power when defended.
I knew X would wilt away from friendly confines of CC. This year will be brutal and unforgiving the the off the charts good BE.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 04:39 PM
Thank God for Paul Scruggs
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 04:40 PM
Wilt? Can't watch, but I see us down by 1.
bjf123
12-14-2019, 04:42 PM
I guess because ESPN owns the ACCN, if you just go on ESPN's home page, the Xavier game is right there to watch.
And it tells me I’m not authorized to view this content.
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Smooth
12-14-2019, 04:42 PM
It is early in the season. X has not yet beat any good opponent yet nor shown offensive power when defended.
I knew X would wilt away from friendly confines of CC. This year will be brutal and unforgiving the the off the charts good BE.
You said the same about the US on the road against Grenada. You use the word "knew" like you have already been proven right. Give X a chance.
xukeith
12-14-2019, 04:45 PM
Lets be real I am ecstatic X is 9-1.
X can't live on defense alone. Player development plus some luck needs to come to X. The Core 4 can't do it all. I hope and pray X beats the WF by 2, 5, 10, or 36 points.
We shall see how this team develops.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 04:46 PM
We look like dog crap. Wake sucks.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 04:52 PM
Allowing straight line drives to the basket now
xukeith
12-14-2019, 04:58 PM
Silly Scruggs goal tending.
Strange Brew
12-14-2019, 04:58 PM
Refs suck..
mistabeecee41
12-14-2019, 05:00 PM
Refs suck..
refs? that was one of the most embarassing efforts i've seen from a xavier team in years.
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 05:00 PM
Huh. Not ideal
Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:01 PM
Hopefully a tongue-thrashing at halftime and the return of Jones in the second half will be enough to make up for a lee-than-inspired first half.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 05:02 PM
refs? that was one of the most embarassing efforts i've seen from a xavier team in years.
This.
No leadership. Quick three's in multiple possessions. Terrible defense. Getting out-rebounded.
This would be a bad, bad loss. Wake sucks.
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 05:02 PM
stupid lazy shooting is almost a hallmark of this team
but the lazy defense is making the big difference here
D-West & PO-Z
12-14-2019, 05:05 PM
2 things:
Some of our players have to realize just because you are open doesnt mean you have to shoot. You are probably open for a reason. Has Bishop made a 3 all year? I get shooters have to shoot and some of these guys must be making them in practice but when is enough enough?
Secondly Steele must have zero faith in Jones not to pick up a 3rd foul, maybe rightfully so I dunno, because keeping him on the bench as our offense was so putrid was a mistake imo.
Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:06 PM
That chicks tits are about a foot apart.
XUBob
12-14-2019, 05:07 PM
Effort not there, this would be a bad loss. We’ve seen this show too much on the road.
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 05:09 PM
Hopefully we'll get the second half we had last time (I think?) we were at Wake. When we stormed back from way down led by Sumner's monster slam.
That chicks tits are about a foot apart.
Chick????
SM#24
12-14-2019, 05:11 PM
That was a fun half. We better ramp up the D because we’re basically going to have to shut them out in the 2nd half.
Nine points is a lot. Sometimes you have to make 5 shots to get that many; that takes an eternity for us.
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 05:12 PM
Chick????
Broad? Dame?
SkyWalker
12-14-2019, 05:12 PM
So far this is a good game to be watching on the radio.
Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:15 PM
Scruggs, Marshall, and Jones score in double digits in 2nd half, X D holds them to 28 pts in the half and X wins by 7.
Broad? Dame?
No, which chick? The halftime Studio chick, dame, broad, young lady????
bjf123
12-14-2019, 05:17 PM
Well that was a completely uninspired half of basketball.
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Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:19 PM
Starting to score.
I’m about to leave for dinner and A Christmas Carol in midtown. It was supposed to be last weekend, but I switched because of the Shootout. I think I chose wisely. Hopefully things look up without me. I’m often told that!
Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:25 PM
I’m about to leave for dinner and A Christmas Carol in midtown. It was supposed to be last weekend, but I switched because of the Shootout. I think I chose wisely. Hopefully things look up without me. I’m often told that!
Spoiler alert!!! Scrooge changes his ways and becomes a decent human being.
Xville
12-14-2019, 05:26 PM
Wake sucks, we will win by 10. Think our guys got a tongue lashing at half.
Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:31 PM
4-1 and Carter gets the stop.
Grizzx12
12-14-2019, 05:33 PM
4-1 and Carter gets the stop.
Gets a block! If nothing else in this one what a play by Carter
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 05:35 PM
Do you thing Santa will bring us some point guard play for Christmas?
Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:36 PM
Gets a block! If nothing else in this one what a play by Carter
Unfortunately he misses the toilet when he pees.
bjf123
12-14-2019, 05:37 PM
Wake sucks, we will win by 10. Think our guys got a tongue lashing at half.
Need Fremantle and Tyrique to start scoring. They’re o-fer at the moment.
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Xville
12-14-2019, 05:40 PM
Need Fremantle and Tyrique to start scoring. They’re o-fer at the moment.
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Yeah I'm not confident anymore....
Xville
12-14-2019, 05:42 PM
This would be a gawd awful loss if they dont come back.
bjf123
12-14-2019, 05:42 PM
That Wake 3 to go down 9 could be the kill shot.
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bjf123
12-14-2019, 05:45 PM
That Wake 3 to go down 9 could be the kill shot.
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I stand corrected. The dagger was that 3 to go down 12.
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Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:49 PM
More Elmer Fudd offense.
Xville
12-14-2019, 05:49 PM
This team may need this loss. A veteran team shouldn't, but it seems that they refuse to value possessions and loaf thru a lot of games.
SemajParlor
12-14-2019, 05:50 PM
Jones has been terrible today
Xville
12-14-2019, 05:52 PM
Jones quadruple teamed guess no one is open so I'll go ahead and shoot a hookshot....
noteggs
12-14-2019, 05:53 PM
Jones has been terrible today
Can’t remember when he played this bad
Xville
12-14-2019, 05:53 PM
Well, thought they were going to lose one more game before conference just thought it was going to be tcu. Maybe they'll win that one instead.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 05:54 PM
Jones is a fucking black hole! Pass the damn ball when you have three guys all over you!
This team sucks.
Smooth
12-14-2019, 05:54 PM
I tried to keep a positive outlook, but it's starting to look partly cloudy.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 05:54 PM
Well, thought they were going to lose one more game before conference just thought it was going to be tcu. Maybe they'll win that one instead.
Yeah right, it's on the road.
Worst coaching job of Steele’s tenure by far.
Bad lineups.
Leaving guys in too long who have foul trouble.
Waiting too long for timeouts.
This is the game that he should have had Jones and Freemantle playing together like he has been talking about.
OTRMUSKIE
12-14-2019, 05:55 PM
X has been awful all year long. This is the true road game and it shows. It’s not a good team and I wonder how much is the players and how much is the coach. Either way we are in serious trouble bc wake is an awful team.
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 05:56 PM
are they playing in any area of their game today
XUBob
12-14-2019, 05:56 PM
Trying to stay positive but we’ve seen this act too often the last two years. This performance is at best lackluster. Defense is supposed to travel but it sure didn’t today. People aren’t going to like this but it falls on Steele, he is the head man and the buck stops with him. Way too many embarrassments under him, a disturbing trend. Carter should have stayed at Ohio. The core four should be better, that’s on the coaching staff. Bad loss to a bad team, we seem to write that too often. Yeah, I’m pissed I expected more out this group I guess I’m the fool.
HenryMuto
12-14-2019, 05:57 PM
I am shocked I really thought this be a win today.
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 05:58 PM
made more than one free throw
SemajParlor
12-14-2019, 05:59 PM
Lol at this being a winnable game. This is like pulling teeth
Xville
12-14-2019, 05:59 PM
Worst coaching job of Steele’s tenure by far.
Bad lineups.
Leaving guys in too long who have foul trouble.
Waiting too long for timeouts.
This is the game that he should have had Jones and Freemantle playing together like he has been talking about.
I really doubt it is in steeles gameplan to dribble down the court, not pass and chuck up a three, or pass and turn the ball over, or leave guys wide open on the three point line.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 06:01 PM
Steele needs to rethink his recruiting philosophy.
Can't win in this day and age without shooters.
And why do everyone else's freshman look so much better than ours?
SemajParlor
12-14-2019, 06:01 PM
If another bad entry bounce pass occurs...
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:02 PM
These guys are juniors and seniors, they shouldn't need that much coaching at this point...its on them to figure it the heck out at this point in my opinion
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:03 PM
Still going to win this game since wake is effing terrible.
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:06 PM
Really awful call on naji there
I really doubt it is in steeles gameplan to dribble down the court, not pass and chuck up a three, or pass and turn the ball over, or leave guys wide open on the three point line.
No he didn’t- The players have been awful too -that’s for sure. But I am just surprised with some of Steele’s decisions and non decisions I’ve mentioned above which have hurt.
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 06:08 PM
stuuuupid foul
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 06:09 PM
Tyrique a rebounding machine
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:09 PM
Seton hall lost by 20 to rutgers???? Good gawd
Thank goodness Scruggs is playing well and smart.
SemajParlor
12-14-2019, 06:11 PM
Come on boys! Let's finish this
Can someone please teach Carter how to make a layup?
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 06:15 PM
Not a core four anymore
Scruggs show now
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:16 PM
How many amazing games does paul have to have when he has the ball thr majority of the time to move him to the point guard of the team? That's the one thing that Steele hasnt done that has driven me nuts.
HenryMuto
12-14-2019, 06:17 PM
Not able to watch end of game sucks no ACC network here.
Lloyd Braun
12-14-2019, 06:17 PM
No Naji to drain a tying 3 this game. Fingers crossed
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:18 PM
And q fouls their best ft shooter...the guy has zero bb iq
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:20 PM
And scruggs stops his dribble at the 3 point line...man these guys are brutal.
Ugh... what was Scruggs doing.
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 06:21 PM
Q for 3? Really?
SemajParlor
12-14-2019, 06:21 PM
Yuck
Lloyd Braun
12-14-2019, 06:22 PM
Only clutch player fouled out.... that was brutal.
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 06:22 PM
3 bench points is not good. This season will be interesting. Next year seems like flat out trouble.
Wake up call game.
Those guys played like crap (other than Scruggs). Coaching was awful too.
Steele said they need to earn it every night- they were sleepwalking though the first three quarters of this game. Steele too.
OTRMUSKIE
12-14-2019, 06:23 PM
We may not win a road game all year. You can’t lose to Wake. They are awful!!!! . Steele your seat is officially warm.
OTRMUSKIE
12-14-2019, 06:24 PM
Wake up call? When has X played great since Steele has been here? It’s either the players don’t listen or he is clueless.
Blue Blooded-05
12-14-2019, 06:25 PM
Xavier:
6/22 from three (27%)
18/27 from FT line (67%)
Wake:
7/16 from three (44%)
21/27 from FT line (78%)
SemajParlor
12-14-2019, 06:25 PM
Yeah I'm going to strongly disagree with Steele's seat being even room temperature...
X Factor
12-14-2019, 06:26 PM
Wake sucks. This is a BIG black mark on X's resume.
We get nothing from our freshman again.
What a joke. Zero bball IQ for how many years in a row?
bjf123
12-14-2019, 06:26 PM
Won’t win many games shooting less than 30% from 3 and less than 70% from the charity stripe. Do better at either one and we win this game easily.
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SemajParlor
12-14-2019, 06:26 PM
Sleepwalking is a good way to summarize this game. That was a bizarre game, from the body language to the effort. Week lay off rust? Not sure what happened in this one..
Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
12-14-2019, 06:28 PM
Q for 3? Really?
At that point, somebody had to take a shot. At least, Q got it off. But, Scruggs pulled up and perhaps he should have taken it into the paint. At that point, who knows what the right play was. This game was lost in the first half with terrible, terrible defense, lackluster offensive play highlighted by Naji and Scruggs going one on one, poor play from the P.G. position, foul trouble (some of it caused by actual fouls) and an inexplicably passive coaching style.
As an earlier poster pointed out, perhaps a loss here (in a game they were supposed to win easily) will wake up this team. I almost would have preferred a humiliating loss so the lesson could be expected to be lasting.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 06:28 PM
Won’t win many games shooting less than 30% from 3 and less than 70% from the charity stripe. Do better at either one and we win this game easily.
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Can't have Jones shooting most of our FT's. He stinks at FT's. He couldn't make a point blank shot today, and he's struggled all year with bunnies.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 06:29 PM
At that point, somebody had to take a shot. At least, Q got it off. But, Scruggs pulled up and perhaps he should have taken it into the paint. At that point, who knows what the right play was. This game was lost in the first half with terrible, terrible defense, lackluster offensive play highlighted by Naji and Scruggs going one on one, poor play from the P.G. position, foul trouble (some of it caused by actual fouls) and an inexplicably passive coaching style.
As an earlier poster pointed out, perhaps a loss here (in a game they were supposed to win easily) will wake up this team. I almost would have preferred a humiliating loss so the lesson could be expected to be lasting.
How many times does this team need to "wake up"?
We've struggled against Mo State, Missouri, etc.
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:30 PM
Wake up call? When has X played great since Steele has been here? It’s either the players don’t listen or he is clueless.
They played great at the end of the year last year...the problem is that they have reverted back to the offense of early last year.
SM#24
12-14-2019, 06:33 PM
Did I really see Tyrique take back-to-back 6 inch shots and shoot both 3 inches ?
Scruggs played great; not sure how the walk-one did in warm-ups; big F to everyone else.
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:35 PM
Bryce moore and jason carter have been huge disappointments so far this year.
OTRMUSKIE
12-14-2019, 06:36 PM
They played great to get to the NIT. Steele has one more year to get this team in shape or it’s time for him to go. I think we said the same thing about miller too. So maybe Steele will turn things around. Right now I’m pissed and please please nobody better say I hate to be at the next practice.
How many times does this team need to "wake up"?
We've struggled against Mo State, Missouri, etc.
Apparently many players are suffering from narcolepsy.
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:43 PM
Take away scruggs and the rest of the team was 14-48....not even 30%. Take away naji and they were 8-33. It is not steeles fault the team cant shoot.
I don’t know how he plays in practice. But Carter looks like he feels he is not worthy to be in there at times. In fact he is playing like he does not belong in there often. Where is this Tyrique + Freemantle lineup Steele has been talking about using. Let’s see it. I don’t think Wake could have handled those two together.
Xville
12-14-2019, 06:53 PM
I don’t know how he plays in practice. But Carter looks like he feels he is not worthy to be in there at times. In fact he is playing like he does not belong in there often. Where is this Tyrique + Freemantle lineup Steele has been talking about using. Let’s see it. I don’t think Wake could have handled those two together.
Carter must be amazing in practice because he does nothing in games to justify starting or getting the minutes he does.
Final4
12-14-2019, 06:55 PM
Nice job Travis. What a shitty team. And you gotta' love Q launching a 3 with time running out. Wake doesn't have a player over 6-5 on the floor, you're down by two and instead of going inside you opt to have "money" take a three.
Final4
12-14-2019, 06:59 PM
3 bench points is not good. This season will be interesting. Next year seems like flat out trouble.
I don't care at this point. Ready to flip most of the roster. I'm ready for Odom, Jones, CJ, Freemantle and ????. Looking forward to next year.
Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
12-14-2019, 06:59 PM
I don’t know how he plays in practice. But Carter looks like he feels he is not worthy to be in there at times. In fact he is playing like he does not belong in there often. Where is this Tyrique + Freemantle lineup Steele has been talking about using. Let’s see it. I don’t think Wake could have handled those two together.
The potential for serious foul trouble with no backup for Freemantle makes that a pretty risky strategy in my opinion. I also believe, understanding that others may disagree, Carter and Moore will be O.K. Still, I think it is valid to consider different lineup changes---particularly when players don't seem to be focused. And, tonight they just didn't seem focused---how can that be? Finally, for all the talk about the defensive intensity of this team, tonight's version of defense was enough to make me puke.
Xville
12-14-2019, 07:07 PM
Its beyond time to change up the starting lineup imo
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 07:56 PM
time to shake things up for sure = get carter and q out of the game more often. If you shoot early in the count from three more than once... ride the pine
GIMMFD
12-14-2019, 08:04 PM
Didn't get a chance to watch, but from the game thread it seems like it was a very "yikes" type of match-up, and performance. I've been patient about things the entire season, but man it must have been really frustrating to watch. Loved seeing Scruggs box score though, said it before, will say it again, really wish him and Naji could both be hot on the same night, feel like that'd be an absolute treat to watch....
If anything is a positive to take, it's that at least this team is going to be battle tested as hell, cutting deficits, playing in a bunch of close games, that may be helpful in March, but sheesh, not a good game to drop.
GoMuskies
12-14-2019, 08:07 PM
You're supposed to get battle tested against good teams, though. Not shit ones.
UCGRAD4X
12-14-2019, 08:10 PM
Frustrating. We just need production from more than one player a night. That would beat most even halfway decent teams.
Xavier
12-14-2019, 08:15 PM
Nice job Travis. What a shitty team. And you gotta' love Q launching a 3 with time running out. Wake doesn't have a player over 6-5 on the floor, you're down by two and instead of going inside you opt to have "money" take a three.
Yeah, I’m sure that’s the play Travis had them run 🙄
Xville
12-14-2019, 08:16 PM
Anyone see or hear travis after the game? Interested to hear what he had to say.
kellernr
12-14-2019, 08:17 PM
Only got to watch the last 12 minutes due to a birthday but from what I saw is Jones needs to learn how to finish at the rim. They were barely fouling him him 1ft away and he just chucks the ball at the back boarded and is nowhere close. He got his double double but 2/10 from the floor is trash especially when all 10 attempts are bunnies. He could finish around the rim better before he lost all the weight
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94GRAD
12-14-2019, 08:53 PM
I'd hate to read your posts if we lost at home to Evansville or S.F. Autin.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 08:57 PM
I'd hate to read your posts if we lost at home to Evansville or S.F. Autin.
Duke and UK are loaded with a bunch of freshman and a few sophmores. Highly rated ones, but they'll both be top 4 seeds come March.
Xville
12-14-2019, 09:16 PM
I'd hate to read your posts if we lost at home to Evansville or S.F. Autin.
X essentially did. Wake is effing awful
waggy
12-14-2019, 09:18 PM
I doubt that Freemantle and Jones on the floor together will work, as neither has shown they have any range. Maybe Zach has it, and/or it can be developed. And they both need to shoot at the back of the rim.
whopper
12-14-2019, 09:21 PM
not on tv but used app to follow play by play from a boring party. I doubt we had a "kill" tonight (or very few) as every time we had it to a one possession game I would see an entry "brown layup" or "Childress foul shot 1" and we would be behind the eight ball again. Looking for a little more from Tandy and Moore and only 2 game to big east. Also last 2 games Jones had 2 fouls immediately and that has to stop(he had a poor game I must admit). Carter is Carter and hope he gets a little more confident, and Freemantle on road did not get much done with Tyrique out. Oliver Saar their leading scorer not there but Brown stepped up. Who knows but I am impressed by all the Big East tams (including us) and would probably settle for 10-8 or even 9-9 now. Butler looks locked and loaded and Creighton too; can't think of a weak time and I would never sell Providence short or even St Johns
noteggs
12-14-2019, 09:39 PM
I'd hate to read your posts if we lost at home to Evansville or S.F. Autin.
Almost posted the same. Guess on the road to an ACC opponent with ties to our program (ok old) equals loss at home vs the fore mention.
X Factor
12-14-2019, 10:19 PM
Almost posted the same. Guess on the road to an ACC opponent with ties to our program (ok old) equals loss at home vs the fore mention.
We're really going to compare ourselves to Duke and Kentucky? That is a blip on their radar. Duke also beat Michigan St. and Kansas. UK beat MSU as well.
Xavier hasn't beaten a good team yet. Maybe UConn.
94GRAD
12-14-2019, 10:21 PM
Duke and UK are loaded with a bunch of freshman and a few sophmores. Highly rated ones, but they'll both be top 4 seeds come March.
So you're saying better teams than us lost to worse teams than Wake at home. Got it.
X essentially did. Wake is effing awful
NO!!! Wake is better than Evansville and S.F. Austin. And we lost to them on the road, not at home.
I doubt that Freemantle and Jones on the floor together will work, as neither has shown they have any range. Maybe Zach has it, and/or it can be developed. And they both need to shoot at the back of the rim.
Hankins + Jones didn’t have range and that pair still worked really well last year. Steele even mentioned in his last press conference that he needs to get Freemantle and Jones both on the court at the same time and how Hankins and Jones were great together when he finally put them out together late last season.
Frankly, I’m surprised he didn’t even try it. Those two bigs on offense would have been much harder for Wake to handle.
The potential for serious foul trouble with no backup for Freemantle makes that a pretty risky strategy in my opinion. I also believe, understanding that others may disagree, Carter and Moore will be O.K. Still, I think it is valid to consider different lineup changes---particularly when players don't seem to be focused. And, tonight they just didn't seem focused---how can that be? Finally, for all the talk about the defensive intensity of this team, tonight's version of defense was enough to make me puke.
Actually, I think having both Freemantle and Jones in together would mean less fouls for each because there would be less territory for each to cover. Hankins and Jones didn’t get into much fouls trouble when they were in together last year- instead they dominated the boards - for easier buckets and had more blocks.
X’s defense today was indeed a bit of a joke for long stretches.
Xville
12-14-2019, 10:43 PM
So you're saying better teams than us lost to worse teams than Wake at home. Got it.
NO!!! Wake is better than Evansville and S.F. Austin. And we lost to them on the road, not at home.
I feel comfortable saying Duke and uk will rebound and 100% be tourney teams and probably 2nd weekend teams, can you say the same for x? That's the point.
Wake sucks.
Carter must be amazing in practice because he does nothing in games to justify starting or getting the minutes he does.
I’ve heard of needing to get some rust off, but apparently his is 3 or 4 layers deep.
Time for a couple no more mr niceguy practices, followed by Q and Jones starting on the bench. Honestly could they look any worse ? Benching is Steele's only threat.
paulxu
12-14-2019, 11:00 PM
Seriously, what this team needs is one or more 3 pt shooters. OK, overstating the obvious, but less than 30% as a team is a recipe for a bad season.
Last night I watched Wofford shoot 59% from 3. There are shooters out there. We use to have them.
Did any of the current starters have decent numbers in high school and college D's are too much?
X Factor
12-14-2019, 11:25 PM
Seriously, what this team needs is one or more 3 pt shooters. OK, overstating the obvious, but less than 30% as a team is a recipe for a bad season.
Last night I watched Wofford shoot 59% from 3. There are shooters out there. We use to have them.
Did any of the current starters have decent numbers in high school and college D's are too much?
Steele needs to find some shooters. Everyone says C.J. Wilcher coming next year is a shooter, but Dwon and Colby Jones aren't known for their shooting.
I thought Dahmir was supposed to be a good shooter, but he's 2-17 on the year. He looks like Elias Harden 2.0 so far.
KyKy is 3-13, but supposedly the "best shooter by far" according to Coach Steele.
whopper
12-15-2019, 04:44 AM
just watched the 10 min condensed game on Youtube from ACC network and I can't believe the number of drives the guards made in essentially a straight line in half court. Jones out so long means little shot blocking or intimidation but seemed to be little hindering of movement by guard or forwards..poor defensive presence all around. He has to stop that 2 fouls in first 3 minutes and at least one if an attempt to reclaim ball after a miss when he is boxed out....Freemantle is a nice change of pace and will develop but not ready for 20 plus minutes at the 5; he can block some shots but overall defense skill not at Jones level
American X
12-15-2019, 07:31 AM
Bad shots really, really matter in a one possession game.
3 points from the bench. Woof.
I am disappointed, but not surprised at dropping the first road game. Getting to a bid through the Big East schedule is going to be a rough road.
XUGRAD80
12-15-2019, 07:36 AM
I didn't get to see or hear the game but just based on the comments here I would assume that X had problems scoring?
Somehow I'm not surprised that in a game where X scored 78 points the vast majority of the comments HERE would be about poor shooting by X.
I'm also not surprised that the comments by the COACH after the game were mostly about poor defense by X.
Think I'm going to have to go with the coach on this one.
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whopper
12-15-2019, 07:45 AM
you are correct to go with the coach. I watched a 10 min Youtube with almost every basket and kept rewinding as I wondered how Brown was getting so many layups..playing downhill with our misses and getting to basket BUT also a number of half court straight line drives with little resistance from guarder or help. I attribute it to Tyrique 2 fouls in 3 minutes as Freemantle is not ready to be a full time 5 and no one behind him. He also got 2 fouls quickly and was not willing to pick up 3. This has happened last 2 games.
Xville
12-15-2019, 08:06 AM
I didn't get to see or hear the game but just based on the comments here I would assume that X had problems scoring?
Somehow I'm not surprised that in a game where X scored 78 points the vast majority of the comments HERE would be about poor shooting by X.
I'm also not surprised that the comments by the COACH after the game were mostly about poor defense by X.
Think I'm going to have to go with the coach on this one.
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The defense was garbage but outside of scruggs who was basically the only offense the team had, they were 14-48 from the field.
, the team sucked on both sides of the ball and should never lose to wake with experienced upper classmen but I have come to expect these performances from this core 4. I dont know what it is with these guys, but the only time they have really played well together was late last year. There is talent there, but they have continually lacked cohesion.
paulxu
12-15-2019, 08:06 AM
Maybe it's one or the other...offense or defense.
But, there are 353 D1 teams.
287 of them shoot 30% or better on 3's. We shoot 28%.
Last year we shot 33%.
Two years ago we shot 37%.
With the line moved back this year, I think that's going to hurt us more in the long run than our defense.
UCGRAD4X
12-15-2019, 08:25 AM
Seriously, what this team needs is one or more 3 pt shooters. OK, overstating the obvious, but less than 30% as a team is a recipe for a bad season.
Last night I watched Wofford shoot 59% from 3. There are shooters out there. We use to have them.
Did any of the current starters have decent numbers in high school and college D's are too much?
Obviously obvious.
The problem now is we don't.
This problem is exacerbated by the fact that this team seems to think we do.
We need to play within what we are capable of. Stay within ourselves.
At this point this team has pretty much established it's identity. Work it inside, drive and dump, kick to the one player than is hitting most consistently (and if more develop), and, most of all - play monster defense.
We have to play stronger, faster, smarter, and press more.
Masterofreality
12-15-2019, 08:38 AM
That first half sucked rocks. At least some adjustments were made at half, but why wait that long? How about a paint peeling time out after a horrible decision sequence? Why wait until you're going to use it or lose it? Why wait to refocus when games are lost during bad stretches? Not even a hint of zone to stop straight line drives or just change it up a bit?
And at the end of the game. How can you not know that Wake will double Scruggs after the Free Throws? How about getting your best shooters out there...ala Carter out, Tandy in? Another coaching strategy miss, but there seem to be a lot of misses.
How can you have 5 days to prepare then come out so unmotivated, unprepared, and keep making the same bad shot selection and decisions?
SucKS lost to Colgate so winning that game really is no accomplishment now. This coaching staff has a lot to answer for. We're 11 games in, plus having Spain, and the same iish keeps showing up! Without Naji's two 30 foot threes, this team is 7-4 and really unimpressive.
This is going to turn out to be a bad loss. Wake will win between 2 and 4 games in the ACC and lose between 16-18. Missed opportunities abound all over, and they had better beat TCU or this non-conference slate, outside of beating Clifton Community, is a mess.
markchal
12-15-2019, 09:10 AM
Yeah, I thought how we finished last year plus the Spain trip would make us a lot better at the start, but maybe this team just isn't very good. I like what we've seen from Freemantle, Tandy has had a lot of positive praise in practice, and I like that Bishop plays D OK and doesn't seem timid on the floor (he's gotta hit a shot eventually, right?). Maybe Steele needs to turn the corner on this group, and start the next era next year (which will be bad, but a good growing experience) with his guys. Something seems to be lacking from this group of upperclassmen when it comes to leadership, as they seem to fall into the same patterns, and run into the same problems.
We need a Malcolm Bernard moment for these guys to get going.
Muskie in dayton
12-15-2019, 09:39 AM
Wake will win between 2 and 4 games in the ACC and lose between 16-18.
Unless this team has a Christmas miracle revelation, that will about be our record in the BE as well.
bleedXblue
12-15-2019, 10:18 AM
That first half sucked rocks. At least some adjustments were made at half, but why wait that long? How about a paint peeling time out after a horrible decision sequence? Why wait until you're going to use it or lose it? Why wait to refocus when games are lost during bad stretches? Not even a hint of zone to stop straight line drives or just change it up a bit?
And at the end of the game. How can you not know that Wake will double Scruggs after the Free Throws? How about getting your best shooters out there...ala Carter out, Tandy in? Another coaching strategy miss, but there seem to be a lot of misses.
How can you have 5 days to prepare then come out so unmotivated, unprepared, and keep making the same bad shot selection and decisions?
SucKS lost to Colgate so winning that game really is no accomplishment now. This coaching staff has a lot to answer for. We're 11 games in, plus having Spain, and the same iish keeps showing up! Without Naji's two 30 foot threes, this team is 7-4 and really unimpressive.
This is going to turn out to be a bad loss. Wake will win between 2 and 4 games in the ACC and lose between 16-18. Missed opportunities abound all over, and they had better beat TCU or this non-conference slate, outside of beating Clifton Community, is a mess.
That was a huge THUD last night. But honestly not surprised at this point. I don't know where to even start. Incredibly stupid fouls by Tyrique and Naji had huge impacts on the game. Steele not making adjustments early enough (AGAIN). The offense is brutal right now. Its basically a free for all and street ball when we score. I think we had 8 assists total. How we let Childress go in for layups on the last 3 possessions is mind boggling to say the least. I could go on and on. Ky Ky Tandy was supposed to be a spark off the bench? Two games in a row where he doesn't play in the 2nd half b/c of a lackluster effort. He looks like he's just out there going through the motions?
I don't know where you go with this team. If they bring to the Big East what they have done through 11 games, I don't see .500 record honestly.
We have Nova on the road in our first game. Good luck with that one.
drudy23
12-15-2019, 10:34 AM
I dont know what it is with these guys, but the only time they have really played well together was late last year. There is talent there, but they have continually lacked cohesion.
This is without a doubt the core issue. There is an obvious disconnect, whether it's between the upperclassmen themselves, or between the upperclassmen and Steele.
Very rarely in the history of Xavier basketball have you seen this lengthy period of time with this lack of cohesion. We've seen it, but it has never bled over multiple seasons. That's alarming. I'm not saying this is Steele's fault, but it's his problem. This lack of cohesion is 100% a coaching issue. Head coaches set the expectations and accountability for team unity and cohesion.
Scruggs, Marshall, and Q have never really clicked in the absence of JP and Tre (and Mack). They play individually and while they have pulled several games out in what seems to be desperation mode, you rarely feel good about their teamwork in the process. They've been together for 3-4 years, this shouldn't still be happening.
If they're not together, you can bet it bleeds into the younger guys, and that's something that can't happen.
Lloyd Braun
12-15-2019, 10:34 AM
Letdown losses after rivalry games are not uncommon. They’ll be fine, a season is a lifetime. Onward to finish strong in non-con play...
drudy23
12-15-2019, 10:43 AM
Letdown losses after rivalry games are not uncommon. They’ll be fine, a season is a lifetime. Onward to finish strong in non-con play...
This is true...but raise your hand if you feel good about this team going into a very tough conference slate? I think a whole bunch of people can see the bottom falling out because they realize they've been hanging on by their fingertips. You can see it and feel it. Most conference games (if not all) are going to be tougher than any non-conference game we've played to date, minus Florida.
Even with the loss, they're very fortunate to be 9-2.
Lloyd Braun
12-15-2019, 11:07 AM
I am still not convinced the conference is all that good. Everyone seems to lack consistency. Time will tell I suppose
Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
12-15-2019, 12:28 PM
This is without a doubt the core issue. There is an obvious disconnect, whether it's between the upperclassmen themselves, or between the upperclassmen and Steele.
Very rarely in the history of Xavier basketball have you seen this lengthy period of time with this lack of cohesion. We've seen it, but it has never bled over multiple seasons. That's alarming. I'm not saying this is Steele's fault, but it's his problem. This lack of cohesion is 100% a coaching issue. Head coaches set the expectations and accountability for team unity and cohesion.
Scruggs, Marshall, and Q have never really clicked in the absence of JP and Tre (and Mack). They play individually and while they have pulled several games out in what seems to be desperation mode, you rarely feel good about their teamwork in the process. They've been together for 3-4 years, this shouldn't still be happening.
If they're not together, you can bet it bleeds into the younger guys, and that's something that can't happen.
Insightful. These guys aren't together and I think the situation more serious than just a post rivalry game let down. This was an opportunity to play a well known program from one of college basketball's best conferences and we came out completely flat. Completely flat, AGAIN. Should we just come to expect this type of performance the following game every time this team has an emotional win against a rival? Are not most of our B.E. opponents rivals? I like Steele and think he's a great recruiter. But, I also agree with Master of Reality's earlier comment----this coaching staff has much for which to answer. Here are a couple of things...………….
1. We should not confuse the identification of an objective---being an elite defensive team----with its achievement. We are not elite and last year's team was also not the "best defensive team in X history". I support the objective and becoming great defensively starts with telling people that's what we want. I also like the creative reinforcement of emphasizing "kills". But, good performances against Lipscomb and U.C. aren't, at all, evidence we have arrived. Developing a defensive culture takes years and multiple recruiting classes. You can't just wish it into existence. And, our effort last night, especially against Childress, was horrendous. It was terrible.
2. Our offensive philosophy seems to be something along the lines of "at the beginning of the game, pound it down to Tyrique until we can no longer do so. Then, either Naji or Scruggs go play one-on-one" There is little offensive flow and, in my opinion, that is one of the reasons we aren't getting more from Carter and Moore. I do see what others do---those two along with Bishop aren't finishing (particularly Carter). It is more than just 'bad shooting". This team does not move the ball. I don't understand what our offensive philosophy is if my earlier description is not accurate... Yes, Najo and Scruggs are talented players--very talented. And, we need to make them primary options but not the only options. Naji carried us to a win against U.C. but quite frankly, that wasn't a good U.C. team. Scruggs tried to bring us back against a middling ACC team last night and it wasn't enough. The whole Naji-Scruggs dichotomy seems to reflect Drudy23's idea of a disconnect. I don't know these two and I have no particular insight. But, my gut tells me they are more concerned with stats than winning. That's a serious charge and I may, in fact, be all wet. Again, I don't know these guys. But that is one explanation that fits into the existence of a disconnect.
3. Despite my stated support for Steele, I have not in the past and did not last night understand his passivity. Some coaches don't believe in making adjustments. They think it better for the team if it is forced to play through adversity until it finds its way. Maybe that is Steele's philosophy but what I saw last night looked like passivity in the face of an ass-kicking. Do something, try something (including playing Jones and Freemantle together) I say. But, for the entire first half and much of the second, we sat on our hands. Why?
I accept that some posters do not thing the B.E. is a high performing conference this year. I think it is but as Lloyd Braun says, 'time will tell". Whether or not it is an elite conference this year doesn't really matter if you believe, as do I, that the conference is still evenly matched. If the conference is evenly matched (and so far, it appears to be much more competitive than last year) X still has to beat teams that play at the same level with the same talent as the Muskies. And, if they don't beat them its the NIT again this year. At present, I don't see Xavier's path beyond a .500 conference record and into March Madness given the manner in which this team is playing and way it has been coached.
I look at last night and see a bad loss. Others look at it and see just a "bad night". Maybe the two views are completely reconcilable but, as I write this, I think not.
I am still not convinced the conference is all that good. Everyone seems to lack consistency. Time will tell I suppose
Unfortunately for me, living here in Indy, Butler looks to be the antithesis of X. Always in the right place on the floor, always hit the open 3. Great spacing, patience, adequate defense. Not all that athletic, but just oozing basketball IQ. It's gonna be a long winter for me hearing about how great the Dawgs are every day...ugh!
xukeith
12-15-2019, 08:52 PM
X will be at least .500 in conference
xukeith
12-15-2019, 08:54 PM
Unfortunately for me, living here in Indy, Butler looks to be the antithesis of X. Always in the right place on the floor, always hit the open 3. Great spacing, patience, adequate defense. Not all that athletic, but just oozing basketball IQ. It's gonna be a long winter for me hearing about how great the Dawgs are every day...ugh!
Colby Jones is an extremely high IQ bball player. Naji and Scruggs should comeback next year as there is no way they will be draft pics.
xukeith
12-15-2019, 08:56 PM
It’s gonna take KyKy probably until mid February for hi to catch up on iq and understanding defense
drudy23
12-15-2019, 08:57 PM
Colby Jones is an extremely high IQ bball player. Naji and Scruggs should comeback next year as there is no way they will be draft pics.
They don't need to be drafted to make alot of money playing hoops. If we're being realistic, neither are likely to make an NBA roster, but that doesn't mean they're not going to move on.
It’s gonna take KyKy probably until mid February for hi to catch up on iq and understanding defense
I just want his shot and scoring to develop and I'll be thrilled. If he can get in someone's way on the other end fine. But we NEED the scoring.
D-West & PO-Z
12-15-2019, 11:56 PM
Worst coaching job of Steele’s tenure by far.
Bad lineups.
Leaving guys in too long who have foul trouble.
Waiting too long for timeouts.
This is the game that he should have had Jones and Freemantle playing together like he has been talking about.
Yeah I think Steele was completely outcoached this game. Which is scary considering Danny Manning has been awful.
Why are we so easily figured out on D. Teams just screen our guard and get their PG 1 on 1 on Jones. That shouldnt be able to happen so easily. And why can we never do that to another team?
Wake doubled teamed Scruggs at the end of the game and forced him to give it up and we chucked a 3 by one of our worst 3 point shooters.
Steele might have had the worst game of anyone.
Lloyd Braun
12-16-2019, 06:46 AM
Yes, they seem to switch almost every ball screen even if the big man is not skilled. That bothers me the most. At least hedge Jones and have him recover if their big rolls to the hoop once in a while. Mix it up some... I admit I didn’t watch the entire game so I can’t say they didn’t but they got crushed on ball screens too much.
Xville
12-16-2019, 08:11 AM
For me, if they go out and beat wcu and win a road game against tcu this week, all will be forgiven.
Not that this is any consolation but just sayin...ohio state (final four contender) got taken to the woodshed against a bad minnesota team yesterday.
WCWIII
12-16-2019, 08:27 AM
Sorry if this is off topic, but I don't really want to read threads from the game itself. I did want to let others know that during the game, Wake was very classy and sincere about honoring Skip during the game. There was a very nice video tribute and then later a welcome trip to center court by a number of former players coached by Skip. Even my uber driver was knowledgeable about Skip and his impact. Very proud that part of the Xavier tradition has embraced Skip's legacy and other beyond-basketball life important messages. Very cool that Mark Prosser comes to town next too and will be reminded of his father's impact.
D-West & PO-Z
12-16-2019, 08:48 AM
Yes, they seem to switch almost every ball screen even if the big man is not skilled. That bothers me the most. At least hedge Jones and have him recover if their big rolls to the hoop once in a while. Mix it up some... I admit I didn’t watch the entire game so I can’t say they didn’t but they got crushed on ball screens too much.
The last 2 possessions of the game for Wake they did it both times and got I think a bucket the one time and foul the other, def points both times. It was so easy and so predictable. How Steele couldnt adjust to that was maddening.
D-West & PO-Z
12-16-2019, 08:49 AM
Sorry if this is off topic, but I don't really want to read threads from the game itself. I did want to let others know that during the game, Wake was very classy and sincere about honoring Skip during the game. There was a very nice video tribute and then later a welcome trip to center court by a number of former players coached by Skip. Even my uber driver was knowledgeable about Skip and his impact. Very proud that part of the Xavier tradition has embraced Skip's legacy and other beyond-basketball life important messages. Very cool that Mark Prosser comes to town next too and will be reminded of his father's impact.
That is great to hear. Thanks!
paulxu
12-16-2019, 10:59 AM
Nice job honoring Skip.
On a side note, there is a "T" missing in this thread title.
On a side note, there is a "T" missing in this thread title.
Fixed.
bobbiemcgee
12-16-2019, 01:09 PM
I've been getting my X news from the "T"itties for Fridays thread. Doesn't hurt at all.
Masterofreality
02-15-2020, 04:05 PM
Wake came into today 100 in the NET. They lost by 17 to a trash Miami team.
That bad loss will just keep getting worse.
SM#24
02-15-2020, 04:07 PM
Still Quad 2
Olsingledigit
02-15-2020, 08:51 PM
A little good news. Missouri beat Auburn tonight. Our OT win looms better.
A little good news. Missouri beat Auburn tonight. Our OT win looms better.
Good news is ALWAYS welcome! We need more of that!
Masterofreality
02-17-2020, 10:59 AM
Still Quad 2
Wake is now NET 104.
When does it change from Quad 2 to lower?
Xville
02-17-2020, 11:03 AM
Wake is now NET 104.
When does it change from Quad 2 to lower?
Since it was on the road, luckily they would have to fall to 136 to go to quad 2. They are effing terrible though so guess it could happen.
XU 87
02-17-2020, 11:08 AM
Wake is now NET 104.
When does it change from Quad 2 to lower?
According to this, not until they go below 135.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking
X's NET ranking is 39 right now. If the season ends today, I think we're in and with a little (but not a lot) of room to spare.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
drudy23
02-17-2020, 11:32 AM
Two wins this week would be huge. Both will be tough.
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