WEEK 6: Other Big East Games 2019-2020

[sirthought]

12/8/2019____Sun

Buffalo vs DePaul -- Can Big D keep up the streak?

#16 Seton Hall vs Iowa State -- First game post Samari Curtis

12/10/2019____Tue

Brown vs St. John's

#24 Butler vs #18 Baylor

12/13/2019____Fri

Creighton vs UT Rio Grande Valley -- They are The Vaquero

12/14/2019____Sat

Southern U vs #24 Butler

Delaware vs #23 Villanova

Stoney Brook vs Providence

Syracuse vs Georgetown

UI Chicago vs DePaul

#16 Seton Hall vs Rutgers

[GoMuskies]

Ha, of course DePaul is threatening to pull a DePaul now that they finally have a chance to get into the top 25!

[Xville]

Looks like the DePaul magic is going to end.

[sirthought]

Buffalo beats DePaul. It was pretty close at the end, and if DePaul had hit their free throws it might have been a different outcome. I'm kind of surprised their coach is only playing seven guys. That's a lot of minutes.

[sirthought]

Terrible road loss for Seton Hall at Iowa State. This was a team that they just beat last Friday in a tournament. Not sure how that was scheduled.

First, Sandro Mamukelashvili went out in the first half with a broken wrist. The pirates couldn't shoot, overall. Powell had 19 points, and was the only SHU player to hit double figures. They allowed 20 turnovers and got outrebounded by a smaller team. They got a ton of fouls called on them, and ISU converted enough that that was the difference in the game.

[GoMuskies]

Seton Hall was a three point underdog in that game for whatever it's worth. So certainly not an unexpected outcome.

[bleedXblue]

Terrible road loss for Seton Hall at Iowa State. This was a team that they just beat last Friday in a tournament. Not sure how that was scheduled.

First, Sandro Mamukelashvili went out in the first half with a broken wrist. The pirates couldn't shoot, overall. Powell had 19 points, and was the only SHU player to hit double figures. They allowed 20 turnovers and got outrebounded by a smaller team. They got a ton of fouls called on them, and ISU converted enough that that was the difference in the game.

Big loss for SH.....that's gonna have a long term impact. Likely at least 4-6 weeks

[scoscox]

Isu got a very friendly whistle. You have to deal with that on the road but still it was absurd

[X-band '01]

Terrible road loss for Seton Hall at Iowa State. This was a team that they just beat last Friday in a tournament. Not sure how that was scheduled.

First, Sandro Mamukelashvili went out in the first half with a broken wrist. The pirates couldn't shoot, overall. Powell had 19 points, and was the only SHU player to hit double figures. They allowed 20 turnovers and got outrebounded by a smaller team. They got a ton of fouls called on them, and ISU converted enough that that was the difference in the game.

This was scheduled in advance as part of the Big East/Big 12 Battle - the Big East still has a 4-1 edge so far.

As for Mamukelashvili, the prognosis now is 6-10 weeks. That's at least half the Big East season right there.

[sirthought]

Big game tonight with #24 Butler vs #18 Baylor. These are 14th and 15th ranked teams, respectively, on Barttorvik.com. Statistically, they are very evenly matched. Butler the underdog just because they are a road team. Can they win?

[sirthought]

St. Johns beats Brown - They still can't shoot the 3 (27%) and were out rebounded...by Brown

Baylor is leading Butler by 10 early in the second half

[D-West & PO-Z]

Butler had several chances (and one bad end of a block/charge call) but couldnt pull it out.

[GoMuskies]

Butler is about to go plummeting down the rankings.

[xudash]

Butler is about to go plummeting down the rankings.

Is DePaul for real - after all?

[GoMuskies]

Is DePaul for real - after all?

Sure hope not. That opens up the cellar...

[xudash]

Sure hope not. That opens up the cellar...

Well, consider the cellar open.

As it stands now, this is a very good example of a team playing with passion and focus and together. They are making Butler look pedestrian.

[noteggs]

I think it’s just strange to see a good DePaul crowd at home.

[xudash]

I think it’s just strange to see a good DePaul crowd at home.

We have our problems and complaints.

Imagine a fan base that has been in that position for most of the last three to four decades.

[xavierj]

Sure hope not. That opens up the cellar...

DePaul’s body of work outside the big east says they are pretty decent. Have some really solid wins.

[X-band '01]

Butler is about to go plummeting down the rankings.

Butler will fall, but Auburn would meet the textbook definition of plummeting in the rankings. At least Butler has beaten NCAA Tournament-caliber teams.

[paulxu]

Howard scores half of Marquette's points.

[xukeith]

Butler is about to go plummeting down the rankings.
Ohio State loses 5 out of 6. They should have been out of top 25 weeks ago.

[GoMuskies]

Georgetown's season is now officially fucked. The Big East looks like a six bid league. Xavier can join the fight tomorrow...or join the irredeemably fucked.

[waggy]

You got the Friars in?

[GoMuskies]

The Big East looks like a 5 bid league...

[xcellentx]

There are enough good wins left for everyone in the league that no one is definitely out, but St John's, DePaul, Georgetown, and Providence would have a really tough road to get there.

As for X, we aren't out if we lose tonight, but a tourney team should be MU at home.

[xcellentx]

You got the Friars in?

Providence has underperformed so much this year and have some bad losses. They would pretty much have to get to 20 wins no matter what to have a chance which means they would have to go 9-1 the rest of the way...

[bjf123]

Creighton takes down Nova at Nova, 76-61


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[whopper]

X over Seton Hall
Creighton over Villanova
Providence over Butler. ALL UPSET ON THEIR HOME COURT

Damn if we held on against Marquette we would be in much better shape. I could not really tell you who the most talented team in the league is..I doubt it is X unless Tandy can continue

[AviatorX]

Been saying all year that the Big East will have 0 Sweet 16 teams. Haven’t changed my mind.

[bleedXblue]

Been saying all year that the Big East will have 0 Sweet 16 teams. Haven’t changed my mind.

Or they could have 3.

The real unusual thing is that there are so many good.......but not really good teams this year. Literally 30 teams could with the whole damn thing.......

I really liked Seton Hall........until the McKnight injury. Hope it is not too serious.

[AviatorX]

Or they could have 3.

The real unusual thing is that there are so many good.......but not really good teams this year. Literally 30 teams could with the whole damn thing.......

I really liked Seton Hall........until the McKnight injury. Hope it is not too serious.

I can already picture Willard storming around the sidelines down 51-35 in the second round against a middle tier Big 10 team.

[xukeith]

The Big East looks like a 5 bid league...

yes but the bids will be 3-5 seeds.

[xavierj]

The Big East looks like a 5 bid league...

The Big East shouldn’t be penalized for being a tough league. I mean DePaul, Georgetown and St. John’s have better wins in the non conference than all of the teams in the American, not to mention Georgetown’s curb stomping at SMU. So if they were in a lesser conference and had easier opponents, they would be right in the thick of it. I think a team with a losing conference record in the Big East will get in this year.

[usfldan]

The Big East shouldn’t be penalized for being a tough league. I mean DePaul, Georgetown and St. John’s have better wins in the non conference than all of the teams in the American, not to mention Georgetown’s curb stomping at SMU. So if they were in a lesser conference and had easier opponents, they would be right in the thick of it. I think a team with a losing conference record in the Big East will get in this year.

Are you saying Rutg, err, DePaul would win the A-...merican?

[X-band '01]

Helluva comeback for the Hoyas today at St. John's without Mac McClung. That's a nail in the Johnnies' coffin for this season.

[GoMuskies]

The Big East shouldn’t be penalized for being a tough league. I mean DePaul, Georgetown and St. John’s have better wins in the non conference than all of the teams in the American, not to mention Georgetown’s curb stomping at SMU. So if they were in a lesser conference and had easier opponents, they would be right in the thick of it. I think a team with a losing conference record in the Big East will get in this year.

Be that as it may, you don't get in the Big Dance going 5-13 or 6-12 in your league. Just doesn't happen. 7-11 is going to be the absolute minimum for consideration.

[xukeith]

Helluva comeback for the Hoyas today at St. John's without Mac McClung. That's a nail in the Johnnies' coffin for this season.

What happened to McClung?

I see Hoyas dominated the rebounding.

[noteggs]

Helluva comeback for the Hoyas today at St. John's without Mac McClung. That's a nail in the Johnnies' coffin for this season.

That was a helluva comeback and game in general. Just hope the Jonnies’ pick up a win or two before we play them at St John’s. Need the Quad 1 possibility since they fell out of the top 75 with that loss.

[Lamont Sanford]

Some dipshit on bESPN had St Johns as a 12 seed this weekend. I almost pissed myself laughing so hard.
:laugh:

[EastCoastXman]

Word from Seton Hall that no structural damage to McKnights knee. Bruised. He will be listed as day to day. Expect them to hold him out against Georgetown on Wednesday so he will be ready for Nova on Saturday. They have a great training staff and have been snake bitten this year with injuries 2x to Powell (knee and concussion), Mamu and now McKnight. All have returned to action faster than predicted.

[xudash]

Word from Seton Hall that no structural damage to McKnights knee. Bruised. He will be listed as day to day. Expect them to hold him out against Georgetown on Wednesday so he will be ready for Nova on Saturday. They have a great training staff and have been snake bitten this year with injuries 2x to Powell (knee and concussion), Mamu and now McKnight. All have returned to action faster than predicted.

That's good news. Hated to see him go down like that. Seton Hall has a legit shot at making a run this year.

[Xville]

I was so far off on the number of games it would take to win the be. Honestly, I thought 11 or 12 would get it done this year. However, looking at the hall's remaining schedule, i think they end up winning 14 and that's pretty conservative based on what they have done their first 10 games.

[GoMuskies]

Entering Big East play, DePaul was 12-1 with wins @Iowa, @BC, @Minnesota, vs. Texas Tech and vs. Northwestern. 5-0 against other "power" conferences. They're 1-10 in the Big East. This league is insane.

[xcellentx]

Entering Big East play, DePaul was 12-1 with wins @Iowa, @BC, @Minnesota, vs. Texas Tech and vs. Northwestern. 5-0 against other "power" conferences. They're 1-10 in the Big East. This league is insane.

It is crazy that a team with 1 conference win at this point is still top70 in the NET and has 4 Q1 wins.

[X-band '01]

The more players Georgetown loses, the stronger they become. No Mac McClung and no Omey Yurtseven and yet they're leading at Butler at the under-12.

[GoMuskies]

Georgetown winning at Butler would be more than a little annoying.

[paulxu]

If Georgetown can beat Butler at Hinkle, we surely should have been able to do that.

[xavierj]

If Georgetown can beat Butler at Hinkle, we surely should have been able to do that.

Agree. Butler isnÂ’t very good. Butler will end up with at least 9 conference losses and wonÂ’t do crap in the tourney. They lose Baldwin and McDermott and they wonÂ’t be very good next year in my opinion.

[X-band '01]

And we think Xavier gets off to slow starts - Seton Hall just said "Hold my beer" again up at Providence tonight.

[Xville]

I have a feeling seton hall is going to be one and done in the tourney

[fellahmuskie]

I have a feeling seton hall is going to be one and done in the tourney

Ditto, I have no hope for Seton Hall. I'd like to see Creighton break through to the Sweet 16 this year, though. Maybe get Nova and Creighton in the Sweet 16 and see if someone else can go on a run (hopefully X).

[AviatorX]

I have a feeling seton hall is going to be one and done in the tourney

Totally agree. They are starting to feel like frauds who will be in a tight game with a 14/15 seed until Powell goes ballistic for a 3 minute stretch and then get beat soundly in round 2.

I have no faith in them or Creighton until I see it happen.

[xavierj]

Totally agree. They are starting to feel like frauds who will be in a tight game with a 14/15 seed until Powell goes ballistic for a 3 minute stretch and then get beat soundly in round 2.

I have no faith in them or Creighton until I see it happen.

The problem with a lot of teams in the Big East is that they are all so heavily reliant on the the 3 ball going down and if it doesn’t they are screwed. That’s one thing for Xavier is that they obviously don’t have to rely on the 3 ball. Last year in the tourney in the 4 losses the first weekend, the Big East teams combined for 36 of 127 threes for 28%.

[noteggs]

The problem with a lot of teams in the Big East is that they are all so heavily reliant on the the 3 ball going down and if it doesn’t they are screwed. That’s one thing for Xavier is that they obviously don’t have to rely on the 3 ball. Last year in the tourney in the 4 losses the first weekend, the Big East teams combined for 36 of 127 threes for 28%.

In the game yesterday, Georgetown was 10-15 on 3’s while Butler was 9-32. G-town took 17 less 3’s and made one more. Believe this is also your case and point.

[xavierj]

In the game yesterday, Georgetown was 10-15 on 3’s while Butler was 9-32. G-town took 17 less 3’s and made one more. Believe this is also your case and point.

Yep. It’s crazy when teams keep hoisting them up. If it’s not falling, get it inside. Problem is that teams like Butler, Marquette, and Creighton don’t have much inside they can pound it into when you have to. I think teams have figured Butler out. Don’t let Baldwin get in the lane and to the basket. Lay off of him and make him a jump shooter and if he hits a bunch of threes oh well. He’s a 31% three point shooter over his last two years and only 41% on 2’s this year, because of how teams are now guarding him. He has to get the basket to be successful.

[scoscox]

Butler was missing Thompson. He’s probably their most important player. It’s not a coincidence that our comeback started immediately after he went down

[xavierj]

Butler was missing Thompson. He’s probably their most important player. It’s not a coincidence that our comeback started immediately after he went down

Maybe but the guy can’t shoot. They hoisted 32 threes. Georgetown has 5 scholarship players available. Butler has not played all that well for a while. Blown out at DePaul and have now lost to Providence and Georgetown at home in the past two weeks. They still have to go to Seton Hall, Creighton and Xavier.

[xavierj]

Also Butler’s two big men were 4 for 4 on the day. How can you hoist 32 three’s and only get 4 shots from you post players? That’s just bad coaching in my opinion. Georgetown basically had two big’s that could defend the post and one is a walk-on that had played in a total of 4 games and 10 minutes all year before yesterday.

[UCGRAD4X]

The problem with a lot of teams in the Big East is that they are all so heavily reliant on the the 3 ball going down and if it doesn’t they are screwed. That’s one thing for Xavier is that they obviously don’t have to rely on the 3 ball. Last year in the tourney in the 4 losses the first weekend, the Big East teams combined for 36 of 127 threes for 28%.

The problem is that they seem to think that they do.

[paulxu]

Crazy, great ending to the Hall/Butler game.

Wish we could shoot 91% at the FT line.

[xavierj]

Crazy, great ending to the Hall/Butler game.

Wish we could shoot 91% at the FT line.

Not sure what Seton Hall was doing. 10 seconds left and they double team Thompson 25 feet from the basket leaving McDermott wide open for the game tying 3. In that situation you let Thompson do what ever he wants and guard everyone else.

[chico]

Not sure what Seton Hall was doing. 10 seconds left and they double team Thompson 25 feet from the basket leaving McDermott wide open for the game tying 3. In that situation you let Thompson do what ever he wants and guard everyone else.

Willard was interviewed after the game. He said that, though they don't typically foul in that situation, that was the plan. Probably wasn't too good of an idea to go away from your standard procedure because clearly the players were confused and it led to a wide open 3.

Was a fantastic game, though. It's so much fun to be in this conference.

[X Factor]

Villanova made 18 three pointers last night at DePaul...hopefully they blew their wad and only make 6 or 7 Saturday.

[xudash]

Villanova made 18 three pointers last night at DePaul...hopefully they blew their wad and make 0 on Saturday.

Fixed it for you. One can dream.

[JTG]

Villanova made 18 three pointers last night at DePaul...hopefully they blew their wad and only make 6 or 7 Saturday.

Holy crap, that's 54 freakin' points. I'm thinkin Steele's plan for Sat, is to guard the arc, let them have 2s.

[X-band '01]

Seton Hall may end up winning the Big East regular season crown, but Creighton by far looks like the team to beat right now. You thought Xavier looked bad in Omaha, look at what they're doing to Butler today.

[xudash]

Seton Hall may end up winning the Big East regular season crown, but Creighton by far looks like the team to beat right now. You thought Xavier looked bad in Omaha, look at what they're doing to Butler today.

Damn shame. Wait, damn funny.

[Xville]

I think Creighton and nova can make runs in the tourney if given good draws. Not sold on McDermott, but I guess he has to luck into a run at some point

[noteggs]

I think Creighton and nova can make runs in the tourney if given good draws. Not sold on McDermott, but I guess he has to luck into a run at some point

Yes, all about matchups