Game Thread: Xavier v. Cincinnati (December 7, 2019) Crosstown Shootout

[Muskie]

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Xavier University Musketeers (8-1,0-0) vs. Cincinnati (6-2,0-0)
Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.
Cintas Center

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops) (TBD)



Television: FS1






Xavier Radio: Xavier Gameday App (available in your phone's app store) with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).










Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com. Fan stats at GoXavier.com.

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Xavier defeated Green Bay (Link (https://goxavier.com/news/2019/12/4/mens-basketball-musketeers-remain-undefeated-at-cintas-center-in-84-71-win-over-wisconsin-green-bay.aspx))
Cincinnati defeated Vermont. (Link (https://gobearcats.com/news/2019/12/3/mens-basketball-williams-career-night-leads-bearcats-past-vermont-82-73.aspx))

Bearcat Media:
Cincinnati Athletics Homepage ( (https://gobearcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule)Link (https://greenbayphoenix.com/index.aspx)) (https://gobearcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule)
Bearcats on Twitter (Link (https://twitter.com/GoBEARCATS))

[GoMuskies]

X -6

[X-band '01]

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Xavier University Musketeers (8-1,0-0) vs. Green Bay (6-2,0-0)
Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.
Cintas Center

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops) (TBD)



Television: FS1






Xavier Radio: Xavier Gameday App (available in your phone's app store) with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).










Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com. Fan stats at GoXavier.com.

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Xavier defeated Green Bay (Link (https://goxavier.com/news/2019/12/4/mens-basketball-musketeers-remain-undefeated-at-cintas-center-in-84-71-win-over-wisconsin-green-bay.aspx))
Cincinnati defeated Vermont. (Link (https://gobearcats.com/news/2019/12/3/mens-basketball-williams-career-night-leads-bearcats-past-vermont-82-73.aspx))

Bearcat Media:
Cincinnati Athletics Homepage ( (https://gobearcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule)Link (https://greenbayphoenix.com/index.aspx)) (https://gobearcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule)
Bearcats on Twitter (Link (https://twitter.com/GoBEARCATS))


Yay, we're playing Green Bay again!

[X Factor]

Steele CANNOT start his career 0-2 against UC. Xavier better be ready to play. Take care of the ball, rebound, and make a few shots, and we'll be just fine!

Need leadership today from Goodin, Jones, Marshall, and Scruggs.

[drudy23]

I looked into my crystal ball and the I saw Freemantle and KyKy having the stones to excel in a game that requires stones.

I do fear the hype of this game will push Naji and Q to try to do too much (which is both of their achille's heel) - if they do what they do best, we win.

Time to start drinkin

[UCGRAD4X]

Steele CANNOT start his career 0-2 against UC. Xavier better be ready to play. Take care of the ball, rebound, and make a few shots, and we'll be just fine!

Need leadership today from Goodin, Jones, Marshall, and Scruggs.

CANNOT and WILL NOT!

[GoMuskies]

Congrats to John Brannen. As of today, you are officially a motherfucker.

[GoMuskies]

Spread down to 5 at game time. That move always makes me nervous.

[GoMuskies]

So far, so fugly.

[bjf123]

Two fouls on Tyrique is huge.


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[GoMuskies]

Two fouls on Tyrique is huge.


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No worries, we've got Freemantle!

[noteggs]

Zach is jacked!!!

[xu82]

Freemantle has been a terrific surprise! He’s in his 10th game, no idea where his ceiling is!

[GoMuskies]

Goodin is bad.

[bjf123]

No worries, we've got Freemantle!

And that’s two on Zach.


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[GoMuskies]

Naji has no conscience. And on this team, thank God.

[xu82]

Goodin is bad.

Just think, if he didn’t take and miss so many shots, he might be ahead of Naji in APG. Is that too much to ask from your senior PG?

[GIMMFD]

Naji may have a Blueitt-esque game, hopefully that means an X win rather than what happened when Blueitt went off on UC.

[Lloyd Braun]

Nfm

[GoMuskies]

Tyrique should be well rested for the second half.

[GIMMFD]

Step on their throats.

[xu82]

We need “Good Naji” the rest of the way. It can balance out in some other regular season game.

[GoMuskies]

Naji has earned the right today to throw up his wild shit. Who else is going to shoot?

[Lloyd Braun]

Tyrique should be well rested for the second half.

+Scruggs

[GIMMFD]

Naji has earned the right today to throw up his wild shit. Who else is going to shoot?

A well rested Tyrique hopefully will be able to dominate in the second half, let Moore shoot some too, he has a good looking shot, but honestly, I'm completely fine with Naji going off for 40 if it means we win.

[X Factor]

Goodin travels coming out of a timeout to get the last shot of the half. That's his senior season in a nutshell so far.

[whopper]

not a great call but his unspoken problem is he has lost the referees respect. A weird half and we need others especially Scruggs and tyrique to get going. Glad nobody has more than 2 fouls.

[X Factor]

Is Jason Carter still on the team? I haven't seen him the past couple of games.

[bjf123]

Goodin travels coming out of a timeout to get the last shot of the half. That's his senior season in a nutshell so far.

If they’re going to call that travel, there’s a lot more that should be called. Just sayin’.


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[GoMuskies]

Wonderful start to the second half. Fuck UC!

[xu82]

The joint is JUMPIN’!

[RoseyMuskie]

Brannen looks like Gabe from The Office.

[xu82]

Wonderful start to the second half. Fuck UC!

My last trip to Cincinnati we’re sitting at the bar In Arthurs/Hyde Park having dinner. Some asshole next to us takes offense to my X gear. We are pretty sober, he can’t remember sober from where he sits. We finally have to ask the bartender to call the cops to remove her regular. I’m ready to defend myself with my phone out. His wife drags his ass out of their pronto before something very bad happens. I had never actually seen anything that stupid in an X/UC situation like that.

Nobody needs The Brawl Part Deux.....at dinner at Arthur’s! What a turd.

[paulxu]

Naji F Marshall

[Xville]

Naji is freaking awesome.

[GoMuskies]

That Goodin 3. Lol

[GreatWhiteNorth]

How come Naji is doing all the scoring? Q and K K have not scored!

[GoMuskies]

Q has scored now.

[Xville]

How come Naji is doing all the scoring? Q and K K have not scored!

Because naji is an effing stud that's why

[xu82]

This is lookin’ like ball at the park!

[GoMuskies]

This is super fun. UC is so very, very bad. They'd be the #9 team in the Big East.

[RoseyMuskie]

Best moment of the season so far.

[XU-07]

I think we are doing better because I switched to whiskey.

[xu82]

This JUST KEEPS GETTING MORE FUN!

[GoMuskies]

UC fans are all watching football now. Good for them.

[xu82]

I think we are doing better because I switched to whiskey.

I think you need to go out and get a season worth of whiskey!!! (Don’t forget the deep NCAA run!)

[GoMuskies]

No Tandy in a while.

[xu82]

Lots of time left! Can’t be giving up second chances!

[bjf123]

Do some of these calls look as bad on TV as they do at the game?


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[Xville]

Time for some kyky

[Xville]

Good naji is a first round draft pick

[xu82]

Time in the game (and the SEASON for that matter) to start making the FT’s!

[xu82]

Q gets the dunk, everyone is so shocked we fail to play defense?

[GoMuskies]

Feels like we should have a big lead. But we really don't.

[xudash]

Time in the game (and the SEASON for that matter) to start making the FT’s!

Yes. Absolutely.

[Xville]

Great dunk q but because you had to flex for ten seconds, it essentially meant nothing because it was 5 on 4 down the court.

[Lloyd Braun]

UC has been pushing after a made basket. Something they never did under Cronin

[bjf123]

Great dunk q but because you had to flex for ten seconds, it essentially meant nothing because it was 5 on 4 down the court.

Wasn’t it his guy who made the uncontested layup while he flexed?


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[Lloyd Braun]

Even if he immediately turned around he would not have caught up.... I’m ok with the flex, it was a badass dunk.

[xu82]

Freemantle getting huge minutes for a freshman. He’s proving he deserves it!

[xudash]

Great dunk q but because you had to flex for ten seconds, it essentially meant nothing because it was 5 on 4 down the court.

Exactly right. Some of these guys think they should have an autograph line

[noteggs]

Even if he immediately turned around he would not have caught up.... I’m ok with the flex, it was a badass dunk.

Same!

[Xville]

Point in the game where kyky should be in. He can handle the ball and shoot fts

[xu82]

This has been more fun than I expected!

[GoMuskies]

UC is terrible, but I'll always enjoy beating them!

[Lloyd Braun]

Naji Marshall was incredible at both ends. Unbelievable effort from him.

[whopper]

a bad last minute reminiscent of the Creighton (win) a few years ago that I watched at work and we could not get it in a number of times but somehow won. That must be a point of focus on this otherwise good game. Thank God we won. Naj showed me something today on defense, rebounding and of course offense. Big East Had a big day with Creighton, St Johns (not bad), Butler(very good), Villanova and of course Xavier. Will be a fun year and we will lose some we think we should have won and (hopefully) the other way as well.

[Lloyd Braun]

I was sweating out the 5.5 points I gave this morning.... but the game was never in doubt the last 4 minutes

[GIMMFD]

Naji. Fucking. Marshall. That is all.

[xudash]

I was sweating out the 5.5 points I gave this morning.... but the game was never in doubt the last 4 minutes

In hindsight yes. But it’s the Crosstown Shootout. We always want to see us with a lead st 0:00.

[XUGRAD80]

Closer than it should have been but any victory over UC is still sweet!

We own this city!

[X Factor]

That was beautiful!! Congratulations to Coach Steele and the team!!

[LadyMuskie]

Naji was pure gangsta! What an incredible game for him!

[Lloyd Braun]

Naji was so good he even brought LadyMuskie back to post.

Steele heading to Dana’s to buy drinks is the cherry on top! What a night....

[xu82]

Naji was pure gangsta! What an incredible game for him!

Nice to hear from you! I hope we don’t have to wait for another National Holiday for it to happen again!

[X-band '01]

I wonder if DC Muskie comes back for the Wake game next week.

[LadyMuskie]

Nice to hear from you! I hope we don’t have to wait for another National Holiday for it to happen again!

Thanks! Little LM is not so little anymore and she has a little brother now, so life is totally crazy. But I'll never stop following my Muskies!!

[xu82]

Thanks! Little LM is not so little anymore and she has a little brother now, so life is totally crazy. But I'll never stop following my Muskies!!

I get it, been there! But you also need to set an example for the next generation! :-)

Hope all is well with you and yours, and you enjoy a wonderful holiday season.

[xudash]

Naji was pure gangsta! What an incredible game for him!

Welcome home!

[Xville]

So at worst, 11-2 heading into conference play....conference play may be the most.competitive it has been since the new be was created. Would not be shocked to see 11-12 wins bring home the conference title.

[Grizzx12]

I'm late to the party but what a day! Wrapped up the basement renovation, baptized the little one and a Crosstown win. What a game for Naji and hope we can build off this one!

[GIMMFD]

Naji was so good he even brought LadyMuskie back to post.

Steele heading to Dana’s to buy drinks is the cherry on top! What a night....

I think that's become tradition, I was at Dana's when Mack did that after the Crosstown shootout as well.

[UCGRAD4X]

After watching on replay one thing that struck me (besides how much UC sucks) was the leaderships on the Xavier side. As good as Cumberland is, and the television broadcast team bent over backwards to make excuses for his play, it was during one of his free throws that Freemantle was subbing in for Tyrique after the first FF that Tyrique was at the table coaching up a Freemantle before he came in. When they talk about Jones being the heart and soul of this team, I do not think that is hyperbole (which so much ob broadcasting is).

These are some of the little things I like seeing that sets this team apart from today's opponent. That and the fact that we kicked their ass!

[GIMMFD]

After watching on replay one thing that struck me (besides how much UC sucks) was the leaderships on the Xavier side. As good as Cumberland is, and the television broadcast team bent over backwards to make excuses for his play, it was during one of his free throws that Freemantle was subbing in for Tyrique after the first FF that Tyrique was at the table coaching up a Freemantle before he came in. When they talk about Jones being the heart and soul of this team, I do not think that is hyperbole (which so much ob broadcasting is).

These are some of the little things I like seeing that sets this team apart from today's exponent. That and the fact that we kicked their ass!

Yup, with ya there, this team definitely plays for each other, and have bought into that. Said it before but, saw it with Naji picking up Tyrique and Paul after Florida, and you see it in little instances like that. Maybe that Spain trip really did help build chemistry, but they definitely will put everything on the line for each other, and that's something you love to see.

[xukeith]

a bad last minute reminiscent of the Creighton (win) a few years ago that I watched at work and we could not get it in a number of times but somehow won. That must be a point of focus on this otherwise good game. Thank God we won. Naj showed me something today on defense, rebounding and of course offense. Big East Had a big day with Creighton, St Johns (not bad), Butler(very good), Villanova and of course Xavier. Will be a fun year and we will lose some we think we should have won and (hopefully) the other way as well.
Just got home from celebrating and seeing tons of UC fans. I was happy to say X is the better school. They were not happy with me. I also watched a gritty Marquette team fight off Kansas St. at K State. Perfect day for BE.

[noteggs]

Yup, with ya there, this team definitely plays for each other, and have bought into that. Said it before but, saw it with Naji picking up Tyrique and Paul after Florida, and you see it in little instances like that. Maybe that Spain trip really did help build chemistry, but they definitely will put everything on the line for each other, and that's something you love to see.

Nice post!

[xukeith]

I don’t get the KyKy hype. He is perhaps 4/15 from the field. He needs another month of practice to learn the defense and offensive sets. He knows one thing and that “I’m launching so many bad shots”
I’ll give him a frosh break but this walk on water guy can’t be relied on yet. He might show something in January. So far he is a young Stanley Burrell with lots of hype from those who saw his high school YouTube clips.
Fremantle deserves all the pt. Steele says he is finding ways to play him and Tyrique at the same time. Carter needs to come off the bench. Carter did have assists but yikes he can’t finish a layup,

[xukeith]

Oh sorry to be a wet blanket but UC’s coach was irresponsible for playing an injured Cumberland. He needs a month of rest to heal up. Yesterday’s game didn’t help his return

[Cincypunk.org]

Even if he immediately turned around he would not have caught up.... I’m ok with the flex, it was a badass dunk.

I feel like Q made drive and dunks like that all the time his frosh and soph years. How come we never see it anymore!?!?!

[Xville]

I don’t get the KyKy hype. He is perhaps 4/15 from the field. He needs another month of practice to learn the defense and offensive sets. He knows one thing and that “I’m launching so many bad shots”
I’ll give him a frosh break but this walk on water guy can’t be relied on yet. He might show something in January. So far he is a young Stanley Burrell with lots of hype from those who saw his high school YouTube clips.
Fremantle deserves all the pt. Steele says he is finding ways to play him and Tyrique at the same time. Carter needs to come off the bench. Carter did have assists but yikes he can’t finish a layup,

I saw him live in high school several times. He is really damn good, but he is alo not a top 10 recruit that is going to come in and destroy the big east, and do you not remember hes been out for months? Remember tu struggled his freshman year. Kyky is going to be a damn good one.

[XUGRAD80]

9 games into the Brannen era, and with a 6-3 record, there are fans on their board that are already speculating that he will be fired within the next year or so. It is hilarious how much angst there is because of losing to X. It seems to be impossible for those people to believe that any UC team should ever lose to a Xavier team. It must be bad coaching. Or that they played at X and the refs caused them to lose. Or that Cumberland is selfish because he played at less than 100%. Others are blaming Cronin for under recruiting and leaving them with no talent. It’s never about Xavier just being better, it’s always about how their coaches, players, administrations, or the refs failed them.

[Juice]

Oh sorry to be a wet blanket but UC’s coach was irresponsible for playing an injured Cumberland. He needs a month of rest to heal up. Yesterday’s game didn’t help his return

I think there’s more to what’s going on than just his injury.

[xukeith]

I saw on Twitter yesterday Colby Jones who signed letter of commitment to attend X next year. Any news on any 2021 recruits at the game? Usually X gets recruits into the game.

As much as I love X, and despise UC, X looked good for perhaps 20 minutes yesterday. The quality of opponents thus far is weak and will not increase significantly until BE conference games.
X on paper if they are NCAA worthy, should win out against Wake F, West Carolina, and at TCU. I think being .500 in conference will be enough to get a NCAA bid. We shall see how elite X gets as Steele says X can be so far better.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I saw on Twitter yesterday Colby Jones who signed letter of commitment to attend X next year. Any news on any 2021 recruits at the game? Usually X gets recruits into the game.

As much as I love X, and despise UC, X looked good for perhaps 20 minutes yesterday. The quality of opponents thus far is weak and will not increase significantly until BE conference games.
X on paper if they are NCAA worthy, should win out against Wake F, West Carolina, and at TCU. I think being .500 in conference will be enough to get a NCAA bid. We shall see how elite X gets as Steele says X can be so far better.

I think your assessment accurate. I hope Carter and Scruggs, particularly, get going. X is absolutely going to need them to play better. As far as the Tandy hype goes, it reflects, I think, an on-going dissatisfaction with the P.G. play. But, you're right, he's a freshman and we can, at best, hope he contributes and grows as the season progresses. Skill-wise, he hits his free throws and based on other's observations, he can stick the three---he's definitely going to be a Muskie we all remember. But, where this team really needs a contribution, right now, from the P..G.--leadership + decision making, I don't think he can be the answer. I'm not, at all, negative about this team but I think that will remain a problem area for this team and I don't know what causes it to improve.

[Michigan Muskie]

A little love for resident punching-bag Jason Carter - he led Xavier with +15 during his time on the floor. I thought he defended well (created turnovers) and, as usual, he's platinum from the stripe. At this point, I think his astonishing inability to finish around the rim is between the ears. He needs to see one go down and more will follow. As Viper would advise: Keep sending him up.

[bleedXblue]

I think what gets me excited is KNOWING that guys like Carter, KyKy and maybe to a lesser degree Moore are going to find their place on this team and contribute even more. Offense still has a long way to go, but we have so much potential. Taking care of the ball has been better the last two games. Good D and protecting the ball will put us in a great position to compete for the BE title.

[IM4X]

X looked good for perhaps 20 minutes yesterday. The quality of opponents thus far is weak and will not increase significantly until BE conference games.
X on paper if they are NCAA worthy, should win out against Wake F, West Carolina, and at TCU. I think being .500 in conference will be enough to get a NCAA bid. We shall see how elite X gets as Steele says X can be so far better.

IF you think about it, not one player besides Naji was playing up to their potential. Not to say everyone else played average, but I would describe it more as “moments of specialness” from a number of other players yesterday. Scruggs, Kyky, and Carter have higher ceilings than we witnessed in that game. Q showed ”moments” of better vision and decision making when passing and driving.

Lot’s of good moments for other players mixed with some not so good play, like Q deciding to flex for a few seconds after his dunk which created a 4 on 5 and easy bucket for UC (a poor decision others here have also posted about).

Still, there were more “special moments” than we may have seen in any game so far this year. Like Stella, I’m seeing what Steele does- that the team’s ceiling certainly looks more than a little bit higher. How close they can get to that ceiling is another question.

[XUGRAD80]

Still very early in the season for the most part, and many of the players are still defining their roles and learning what it takes to compete on a high D-1 level. It’s a major step up for many of them and when you consider that KyKy and Ramsey are at least a month behind everyone else it may take even longer than once thought for them to become comfortable. Even players like Moore and Carter are probably going to find BE competition different than what they have experienced in the past. It’s a journey and a marathon. As a great man once said....this isn’t the end, it’s not even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning. The next 3 out of 4 games are on the road and none of them will be walkovers. Potential is there...let’s see what happens. But I’m optimistic that they are going to be a hard team to beat.

[Caveat]

The important thing from the non-con schedule has been Naji becoming comfortable with going and doing his Superman thing when he starts feeling it. He’s a matchup nightmare, and the team (and him) should be OK if there are long stretches where he’s The Guy during a game.

[Lamont Sanford]

As much as I enjoyed the W over the Buttcats yesterday, I was surprised to see Steele shrink the bench as much as he did. Where was KyKy and Bishop? Why isn't Freemantle playing more?!? Get Ramsey in there for him to experience the live action firsthand. The young kids need on-court experience...get them in there for a couple minutes. That's my only gripe.

[XUOHTX]

As much as I enjoyed the W over the Buttcats yesterday, I was surprised to see Steele shrink the bench as much as he did. Where was KyKy and Bishop? Why isn't Freemantle playing more?!? Get Ramsey in there for him to experience the live action firsthand. The young kids need on-court experience...get them in there for a couple minutes. That's my only gripe.

I don't think the Shootout is the game to get minutes for young players.

[xukeith]

I don't think the Shootout is the game to get minutes for young players.

It is early still and I believe Steele wanted to win rather than play KyKy and Bishop and Ramsey for they need a lot of practice to gain confidence. Freemantle played in 2nd half but I want a senior to lead the team in a Shootout over a frosh.

[GoMuskies]

I think KyKy should have got some second half clock, but I'm not going to complain about anything in a Shootout win.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

As much as I enjoyed the W over the Buttcats yesterday, I was surprised to see Steele shrink the bench as much as he did. Where was KyKy and Bishop? Why isn't Freemantle playing more?!? Get Ramsey in there for him to experience the live action firsthand. The young kids need on-court experience...get them in there for a couple minutes. That's my only gripe.

I'm with XUOHTX. The atmosphere at Cintas last night was, finally and thankfully, electric (although I still think there is room for improvement). The crowd this year, has been late arriving, if at all----probably a direct function of the softness of the early season schedule. Yesterday was different and even though I still expected to see more minutes from Tandy, I defer to Steele. There would have been lots of pressure on Tandy, who as others have pointed out, is till playing catch-up.

Bishop will play more but maybe not much more this year. I look forward to his sophomore year. Right now, I don't see a combination in prime time, that works with him in the game. He is simply not a threat offensively. So, if you sub him for Carter, as a "3/4", you can expect nothing offensively leaving production to Scruggs, Naji and Tyrique/Freemantle (assuming Q is at P.G.) And, that's also a small lineup. Maybe if Scruggs moves to P.G. and you play Bishop at the "2", he can get some minutes but that's not going to occur often (I think). Ramsey is a freshman who, additionally. is way, way behind due to his injuries. I don't know the rules around red shirting but were I in Steele's shoes, Ramsey would be a prime candidate. Just watching him warm up, he looks like his knees are hurting. Don't see him coming off the bench except for mop-up situations and I expect few of those from here on out.

I would like to see more of James. He seems to be confident enough to take his shots and with Carter's recent difficulties (and, I too, thought Carter played better yesterday) perhaps James could help. I suspect there may be some unidentified issues affecting his p.t. but that is just speculation. I am not close to the program and have no way of knowing.

[GIMMFD]

I don't think the Shootout is the game to get minutes for young players.


It is early still and I believe Steele wanted to win rather than play KyKy and Bishop and Ramsey for they need a lot of practice to gain confidence. Freemantle played in 2nd half but I want a senior to lead the team in a Shootout over a frosh.

I definitely think Steele shrunk the bench to ensure a win, he's been around the program a long time, and obviously knows what the Shootout means, and I'm sure he wanted to make sure we saw it through completely, I quoted these both because I think you can put Freshmen in the Shootout, but it really depends on how beneficial they'll be. I bet if Kentucky Jelly didn't have that long time out, and was getting into rhythm a bit he would have gotten some more minutes, as someone else said Ramsey just still looks like he's reeling and trying to figure things out, wouldn't want to put him in unless Tyrique got into worse foul trouble, and Carter and Freemantle needed to be spelled, luckily we do have Freemantle who is one tough son of a gun. I think Bishop lost out to Moore's experience, and the fact that as of this particular moment Moore is more of a threat (D & 3 wise) than Bishop is. I mean, these aren't top 20 recruits so it's going to take adjustment and time, and I have no doubt they'll be good players down the road, but I was completely fine with Steele's decision making.

Just imagine what could happen if we start clicking for more than like 20 minutes a game, we could blow the doors off some teams. I do think this game will do wonders for Naji's confidence though, because when Naji is on like he was yesterday, he's absolutely elite. I also think Scruggs has been pretty solid so far this season, he was a monster in Charleston, it's just rare that both go off for monster games together, which I think has to do with giving the hot hand the opportunity to make plays, but I would love a game where Naji and Scruggs both go for like 20 each.

[bleedXblue]

Some of you guys are unbelievable. Seriously. WTF? Priority #1 is to WIN THE GAME! I have ZERO issues with PT for our young unproven guys. We play teams like Green Bay and Western Carolina for that.

[SkyWalker]

I have a Shootout question that perhaps someone here can answer. When was the last time two coaches faced off in the Shootout when neither coach had beaten the other school?

[bjf123]

I have a Shootout question that perhaps someone here can answer. When was the last time two coaches faced off in the Shootout when neither coach had beaten the other school?

The first one?


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[MADXSTER]

I have a Shootout question that perhaps someone here can answer. When was the last time two coaches faced off in the Shootout when neither coach had beaten the other school?

I believe that every first year coach has lost their first shootout except for Bob Huggins.

[X-band '01]

I have a Shootout question that perhaps someone here can answer. When was the last time two coaches faced off in the Shootout when neither coach had beaten the other school?

2005-06

Sean Miller v. Andy Kennedy

[X-band '01]

I believe that every first year coach has lost their first shootout except for Bob Huggins.

Chris Mack and Mick Cronin beg to differ, though. And even Huggins lost his first Shootout in 1989-90.

[SkyWalker]

2005-06

Sean Miller v. Andy Kennedy

Thank you.

[xukeith]

Other than seeing YouTube highlight clips of Tandy and hearing from Steele that he WILL be an explosive scorer, we have seen nothing awesome from KyKy except that he made a long three pointer a pull up jumper.
I think we should calm down on the hype unless we have all seen him practice.

He is a frosh and the game is extremely fast for them. As awesome as Freemantle has shown, he is exposed as inexperienced as a defender. He will get better and develop like Tandy. But again, I have not seen the awesome explosive full of offense that people see in Tandy. I hope it does come sooner than later but I know he is a frosh with tons to learn as a pg who sat out for a month due to injuries.

[sirthought]

Other than seeing YouTube highlight clips of Tandy and hearing from Steele that he WILL be an explosive scorer, we have seen nothing awesome from KyKy except that he made a long three pointer a pull up jumper.
I think we should calm down on the hype unless we have all seen him practice.

Tandy is a frosh and the game is extremely fast for them. As awesome as Freemantle has shown, he is exposed as inexperienced as a defender. He will get better and develop like Tandy. But again, I have not seen the awesome explosive full of offense that people see in Tandy. I hope it does come sooner than later but I know he is a frosh with tons to learn as a pg who sat out for a month due to injuries.

Yes, let's not minimize that as many days as he was out of action, Tandy's injury was probably a bigger impact on how comfortable he feels on the court right now. No, he hasn't played really well, but he has shown signs that he's got some good skills and instincts. His ceiling should be higher, but I'm guessing it'll take the summer Sophomore Jump for him to really start to process what all he is capable of. I think the combo of him and Odom is going to be special.

Freemantle's offense is ahead of his defense, but that's not too uncommon at this stage. He was a Net +1.0 for the UC game, overall a positive contributor. Jones was a Net -3.5, which shows he was a little less efficient and had a few more defensive mistakes. That doesn't happen every game, but Freemantle has had a positive net impact in several games this season, notably Uconn, where his defense was strong.



Moving on:
Goodin had one of his better games this season. Four rebounds, two steals, eight assists, and most important to me right now...only two turnovers. But for a senior point guard, his usage was one of the lowest on the team.

[bobbiemcgee]

Nice to see Winston Steele roll into Dana's with a grand for drinks:

https://twitter.com/slrussell

[bjf123]

Nice to see Winston Steele roll into Dana's with a grand for drinks:

https://twitter.com/slrussell

One of these days, I really need to go to Dana’s. Never been there.


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[94GRAD]

One of these days, I really need to go to Dana’s. Never been there.


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That place sucks!

[xu82]

That place sucks!

It’s probably a reflection of management. Don’t ya think?

[94GRAD]

It’s probably a reflection of management. Don’t ya think?

No doubt!

[GIMMFD]

Other than seeing YouTube highlight clips of Tandy and hearing from Steele that he WILL be an explosive scorer, we have seen nothing awesome from KyKy except that he made a long three pointer a pull up jumper.
I think we should calm down on the hype unless we have all seen him practice.

He is a frosh and the game is extremely fast for them. As awesome as Freemantle has shown, he is exposed as inexperienced as a defender. He will get better and develop like Tandy. But again, I have not seen the awesome explosive full of offense that people see in Tandy. I hope it does come sooner than later but I know he is a frosh with tons to learn as a pg who sat out for a month due to injuries.

I mean, you basically said it yourself. He sat out a month due to injuries, and obviously it's going to take time to adjust. I don't think anybody here expected him to come out and have a Tu Holloway All-American season this year, it's the potential that Tandy has that's exciting. I actually think people on this board have been pretty level-headed about it, naturally you're going to be excited to see what he can do (myself included), you don't get all those P5 offers without bringing something special to the table, but by all means I've definitely think everybody is more so excited for the potential.

The guy has been injured and is transitioning into high level college athletics, but I'm sure Steele who's seen him in practice, and the numerous coaching staffs, recruiting experts, etc. who talk about his explosiveness are correct, there's no way ALL those people mis-evaluated. It'll take time, and we just have to be patient, which I do believe everyone has been.

[xudash]

No doubt!

Used to have great bartenders.

[scoscox]

Kyky has played a total of 35 minutes since coming back from an injury. making judgements about his ability at this point is stupid. btw his 40 minute average is 17 ppg, pretty much the same as paul scruggs, but sure he hasn't shown any ability to score

[bleedXblue]

Kyky has played a total of 35 minutes since coming back from an injury. making judgements about his ability at this point is stupid. btw his 40 minute average is 17 ppg, pretty much the same as paul scruggs, but sure he hasn't shown any ability to score

yep.....exactly what I was thinking........LOL

[whopper]

I am too excitable at 64 to watch the whole season with all the twists and turns.
I am working with my town senior center as a volunteer to set up Apple Watches and Blood Pressure Cuffs with bluetooth and have one at home.
All yesterday tested every 5 minutes. All day my reading has a top number (systolic) and bottom number (diastolic) and it averaged about 121/75 with a pulse of 65. From 5 to 7 PM it went to 167/96 with a pulse of 82 (taken every 5 minutes). I almost called the doctor. At 9 PM and today all readings are back to normal. Yikes, that is scary and with 18 Big East Games, Wake Forest, and the Big East tournament and hopefully beyond I am putting myself through the wringer. I guess I should have been a UConn woman's hoop fan but too late now..Go X and I am praying that Carter can finish better as it is worth 6 points a game.

[xu82]

Used to have great bartenders.

I dated one, and I rarely went thirsty! Ahhh, good times!

[XUGRAD80]

I am too excitable at 64 to watch the whole season with all the twists and turns.
I am working with my town senior center as a volunteer to set up Apple Watches and Blood Pressure Cuffs with bluetooth and have one at home.
All yesterday tested every 5 minutes. All day my reading has a top number (systolic) and bottom number (diastolic) and it averaged about 121/75 with a pulse of 65. From 5 to 7 PM it went to 167/96 with a pulse of 82 (taken every 5 minutes). I almost called the doctor. At 9 PM and today all readings are back to normal. Yikes, that is scary and with 18 Big East Games, Wake Forest, and the Big East tournament and hopefully beyond I am putting myself through the wringer. I guess I should have been a UConn woman's hoop fan but too late now..Go X and I am praying that Carter can finish better as it is worth 6 points a game.

I used to let how X (and the other teams I followed closely) did effect my life. If they won I was on top of the world and if they lost I would let it bum me out. I was a bear to live with when that happened. But somewhere along the line I realized that it’s all just entertainment and it sill only effect MY life, if I let it. Don’t get me wrong, I still love my Muskies and I pray that I will live long enough to see them in a final 4. When that day comes I will move heaven and earth to make sure I’m there. But I’m through letting how they, or any of the others, perform effect my moods....unless it’s in a positive manner. I refuse to let a bad performance by them make me feel bad. GO X!

[Olsingledigit]

One of these days, I really need to go to Dana’s. Never been there.


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I spent a good deal of time there from 1963-1967

[Olsingledigit]

It is early still and I believe Steele wanted to win rather than play KyKy and Bishop and Ramsey for they need a lot of practice to gain confidence. Freemantle played in 2nd half but I want a senior to lead the team in a Shootout over a frosh.

Bingo! And for the record I am all for winning.

[XU 87]

I watched a replay of the game yesterday on Fox. It sure never gets old beating UC.

[boozehound]

Another win in the books vs UC.

This team is very close to being undefeated - had we not played a multiple-OT game the day before I think we very likely would have beaten Florida. We look like an elite defensive team right now. The offense is definitely inconsistent, particularly from deep, but we don't need to be a great offensive unit this year to have a heck of a season. We just have to be good and let the defense carry us like so many of the better Sean Miller era teams.

[drudy23]

We look like an elite defensive team right now.

I don't know that I'd go that far. Much, much improved from what we're used to - absolutely.

But we're not in Virginia's territory.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Didnt get a chance to post or read this thread at all, just have one thing to say:

LETS FREAKING GO! Always enjoy beating sUCks!

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Another win in the books vs UC.

This team is very close to being undefeated - had we not played a multiple-OT game the day before I think we very likely would have beaten Florida. We look like an elite defensive team right now. The offense is definitely inconsistent, particularly from deep, but we don't need to be a great offensive unit this year to have a heck of a season. We just have to be good and let the defense carry us like so many of the better Sean Miller era teams.

Whoa there Boozehound. Depaul also is close to undefeated and has beaten a couple of B-10 teams as well as Boston College, I like your enthusiasm but take a deep breath. We ain't there yet.

[xudash]

I visited the UC Board to get their reaction to the CS. It's about as consistent as anything could be.

A sample:

Good luck with the nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

Xavier has been our performing us at everything for 10 years. (A moment of truth).

That’s the last time I step foot in Cintas.Guys behind us talked ***** the entire game. ..Lol that’s every Xavier fan ever. They’re a bunch of overconfident pussies.

They all chose to spend 40,000 a year to attend a community college who sponsors one major sport and has never won anything significant in said sport.

I don’t think X fans will ever get that chip off their shoulder. They are so scarred from all the abuse UC fans used to give them about being ‘little brother’ and how they were small time, that now that they’ve elevated their program to a premier league they can’t handle it. Still overcompensating after all these years.

I was there for a high school game a few years back and everyone told me to go to Dana’s? I think it was called. It was quite literally the worst establishment I’ve ever been in. Smelled like complete **** was dirty as hell and there was more stuff written about UC on the walls than Xavier. And that was supposed to be one of their best bars. Lol place is pathetic

As many of you know, I HATE THE CROSSTOWN SHOOTOUT. I cannot stand Xavier, I cannot stand losing to Xavier, I cannot stand any basket they make...

Dana's might be the among the most improbable bars I have come across. Catering to a school with under 7,000 students. 2/3 of which are underage. Lots of commuters. Only one sport with any attendance. Unwalkable area. Whoever owns that must be working there ALL THE TIME to keep the doors open. The guy is probably making $5 an hour when you do the math. Gotta be a labor of love for someone because that forlorn ********* definitely doesn't fit any definition of viable business. That said, if it weren't a fecal X bar, I might actually like the place and go there every once in a while - I like hitting a dank, crappy dive every now and then.

History repeats itself and a Decades old **** Whoppin in headed to Blue and white A Hole Heaven.

Hey, did you guys know that, according to the braintrust in Clifton, Xavier is a community college and commuter school?

I love it when we beat them now, coming from the Big East, with them stuck in the AAC. It has to be painful for them. It has to be hell, knowing they are the true commuter school with a money-losing athletic program that desperately wants to be somewhere else, now consistently losing most of the time to their small in-city rival. Maybe we should work on that issue of being nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

That is one sad fan base over there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was sweating out the 5.5 points I gave this morning.... but the game was never in doubt the last 4 minutes

I wanted to jump all over it when I saw it down to 5.5 but I didnt want a possible non cover to ruin any excitement I had of X winning the game so I stayed away.

Plus I am not very good at objectively betting X anyway, specifically when it comes to playing UC.

[scoscox]

Whoa there Boozehound. Depaul also is close to undefeated and has beaten a couple of B-10 teams as well as Boston College, I like your enthusiasm but take a deep breath. We ain't there yet.

We’re also very close to having three to four losses

[scoscox]

I visited the UC Board to get their reaction to the CS. It's about as consistent as anything could be.

A sample:

Good luck with the nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

Xavier has been our performing us at everything for 10 years. (A moment of truth).

That’s the last time I step foot in Cintas.Guys behind us talked ***** the entire game. ..Lol that’s every Xavier fan ever. They’re a bunch of overconfident pussies.

They all chose to spend 40,000 a year to attend a community college who sponsors one major sport and has never won anything significant in said sport.

I don’t think X fans will ever get that chip off their shoulder. They are so scarred from all the abuse UC fans used to give them about being ‘little brother’ and how they were small time, that now that they’ve elevated their program to a premier league they can’t handle it. Still overcompensating after all these years.

I was there for a high school game a few years back and everyone told me to go to Dana’s? I think it was called. It was quite literally the worst establishment I’ve ever been in. Smelled like complete **** was dirty as hell and there was more stuff written about UC on the walls than Xavier. And that was supposed to be one of their best bars. Lol place is pathetic

As many of you know, I HATE THE CROSSTOWN SHOOTOUT. I cannot stand Xavier, I cannot stand losing to Xavier, I cannot stand any basket they make...

Dana's might be the among the most improbable bars I have come across. Catering to a school with under 7,000 students. 2/3 of which are underage. Lots of commuters. Only one sport with any attendance. Unwalkable area. Whoever owns that must be working there ALL THE TIME to keep the doors open. The guy is probably making $5 an hour when you do the math. Gotta be a labor of love for someone because that forlorn ********* definitely doesn't fit any definition of viable business. That said, if it weren't a fecal X bar, I might actually like the place and go there every once in a while - I like hitting a dank, crappy dive every now and then.

History repeats itself and a Decades old **** Whoppin in headed to Blue and white A Hole Heaven.

Hey, did you guys know that, according to the braintrust in Clifton, Xavier is a community college and commuter school?

I love it when we beat them now, coming from the Big East, with them stuck in the AAC. It has to be painful for them. It has to be hell, knowing they are the true commuter school with a money-losing athletic program that desperately wants to be somewhere else, now consistently losing most of the time to their small in-city rival. Maybe we should work on that issue of being nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

That is one sad fan base over there.

The cope is real

[D-West & PO-Z]

I feel like Q made drive and dunks like that all the time his frosh and soph years. How come we never see it anymore!?!?!

Because we dont have Tre, JP, and Kaiser on the 3 point line.

Teams have been packing the paint on us since last year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

As much as I enjoyed the W over the Buttcats yesterday, I was surprised to see Steele shrink the bench as much as he did. Where was KyKy and Bishop? Why isn't Freemantle playing more?!? Get Ramsey in there for him to experience the live action firsthand. The young kids need on-court experience...get them in there for a couple minutes. That's my only gripe.

Freemantle played 20 mins yesterday. How much do you want him to play?

I did hear they are working on him and Jones together in the lineup at time, similar to Hankins last year, but as of now the more he plays, the less Jones plays.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't think the Shootout is the game to get minutes for young players.

Yes, that is a upper classman game. That is why Freemantle's play yesterday is so exciting.

Anyone remember Tre's freshman shootout? He hit the big winning FT's but those were his only points.

[GoMuskies]

I wanted to jump all over it when I saw it down to 5.5 but I didnt want a possible non cover to ruin any excitement I had of X winning the game so I stayed away.

I played Xavier moneyline for that very reason. Did not want to be pissed about a 4 point Xavier win!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I used to let how X (and the other teams I followed closely) did effect my life. If they won I was on top of the world and if they lost I would let it bum me out. I was a bear to live with when that happened. But somewhere along the line I realized that it’s all just entertainment and it sill only effect MY life, if I let it. Don’t get me wrong, I still love my Muskies and I pray that I will live long enough to see them in a final 4. When that day comes I will move heaven and earth to make sure I’m there. But I’m through letting how they, or any of the others, perform effect my moods....unless it’s in a positive manner. I refuse to let a bad performance by them make me feel bad. GO X!

Yes, I still let it too much at times (hello FSU tourney loss, but Arizona tourney win on flip side) but ever since I had kids I dont let my sports teams performing badly affect me too much. It would be really bad if I still did seeing as I am a Giants, Knicks, and Mets fan! Yikes.

In college I lived and died with the Giants Sunday result.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I played Xavier moneyline for that very reason. Did not want to be pissed about a 4 point Xavier win!

Smart move.

[bjf123]

Hey, did you guys know that, according to the braintrust in Clifton, Xavier is a community college and commuter school?

I was at an event Friday night and ran into someone I only see once or twice s year. He’s a UC fan, but does not have the animus towards X that a lot of them do. He does work with a lot who do hate X. He was telling me their new name for us is Norwood Community College. Apparently, they take offense at us being the best team in “Cincinnati”.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

I didnt go to Xavier but I cant imagine there are many who are commuters are there?

I always thought of UC being a commuter school.

[xudash]

I didnt go to Xavier but I cant imagine there are many who are commuters are there?

I always thought of UC being a commuter school.

Well, that is one of the main points behind me making that post. It's really too funny. Xavier is not a commuter school - - by any stretch of the imagination, whereas UC is almost a perfect definition of one.

[Lloyd Braun]

I played Xavier moneyline for that very reason. Did not want to be pissed about a 4 point Xavier win!

Yea but you’re laying what, -240ish? I think that’s why I prefer to play the points, would rather not bet a lot to win a little.

[GoMuskies]

Yea but you’re laying what, -240ish? I think that’s why I prefer to play the points, would rather not bet a lot to win a little.

I hear you, but when UC launched a late three down 7, I was laughing in my beer instead of screaming red-faced at the TV. Worth the juice!

[Lloyd Braun]

X has not covered the spread very often so it was not a smart bet. I was egged on my a UC fan coworker and confidence was high. One interesting gambling trend is that the first 5 X games were all UNDER the projected O/U, and the last 5 games have been all OVER.

[boozehound]

Whoa there Boozehound. Depaul also is close to undefeated and has beaten a couple of B-10 teams as well as Boston College, I like your enthusiasm but take a deep breath. We ain't there yet.

Meh. I'll choose optimism. Hopefully we continue to get better and can get a bit more offense out of some of the young guys. I don't think this team is likely to win the Big East or make a Final 4 run or anything. I'm just hoping for a decent seed in the NCAA's and the chance to win a couple.

[AviatorX]

I don't know that I'd go that far. Much, much improved from what we're used to - absolutely.

But we're not in Virginia's territory.

Sure, but for what it's worth, the gap in the KenPom defensive rankings from #1 Virginia to #2 OSU is almost as wide as the gap between OSU and #17 Xavier. Virginia is ridiculous (although their offense is 124th, about as bad as X's defense was last season).

[Masterofreality]

Happy Post ShootOut!
This is Musing Monday, with thoughts on the Muskies win over Clifton Community College! What a day that will live in Famousness.
-The day started at (where else) Dana Gardens with a superb encounter with The Weez himself- CJ Anderson. The one in the same CJ who scored 17 points & 11 rebounds AT uc in the 2008 Shootout that XU won 76-66. CWeez was totally “On Deam” that day and last Saturday as well. What a great time with him!
-Upon entering Cintas Center, it appeared a little more crowded than usual. Welp, XU somehow did shoehorn 10,811 folks in there for a new record crowd.
- Naji Marshall was superhuman all day on both sides of the ball. Played 39 minutes, had 31 points, 8 rebounds and incredibly FIVE STEALS including multiple floor burns. It may have been the most “Carry the team to a Shootout Win”’game since King Cobra Bob Quick scored 40 of Xavier’s 72 points in a 72-71 win on March 5, 1968 AT CCC’s Armory Fieldhouse.
-Zach Freemantle saved the frontline with 20 quality minutes & 9 points/4 rebounds. That kid was ready for the bright lights.
-Xavier played its most complete basketball game of the year and the first 10 minutes of the second half showed what this team is capable of- taking a 3 point halftime lead to a 16 point lead. Sticky defense, good ball sharing and aggressive play. Hope we can bottle that.
-At the end Xavier has returned to its rightful place of KINGS OF THE QUEEN CITY!!
-But that’s not all. Coach Steele then decided to earn legend status by taking his family to Dana Gardens, plopping down $1,000 and buying drinks for the building. If you aren’t all I’m on this guy now, between that and the team game he coached on Saturday, there is nothing anyone can tell you.
It was a fantastic day shared with old friends and Xavier Nation. Xavier is now 24-17 vs the Borecats since Bob Staak awakened the Sleeping Giant. 41 years of righteousness.
A week off to rest, regroup and handle exams then big games upcoming.
GO X!!!

[XUGRAD80]

According to US News and World Report...

49% of Xavier students live on campus

24% of University of Cincinnati students live on campus

Commuter School Who?

But as I was a commuter to Xavier while my time there.......what’s wrong with being a commuter?

[bjf123]

According to US News and World Report...

49% of Xavier students live on campus

24% of University of Cincinnati students live on campus

Commuter School Who?

But as I was a commuter to Xavier while my time there.......what’s wrong with being a commuter?

My wife and I were commuters, and also class of ‘80.


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[X-band '01]

I visited the UC Board to get their reaction to the CS. It's about as consistent as anything could be.

A sample:

Good luck with the nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

Xavier has been our performing us at everything for 10 years. (A moment of truth).

That’s the last time I step foot in Cintas.Guys behind us talked ***** the entire game. ..Lol that’s every Xavier fan ever. They’re a bunch of overconfident pussies.

They all chose to spend 40,000 a year to attend a community college who sponsors one major sport and has never won anything significant in said sport.

I don’t think X fans will ever get that chip off their shoulder. They are so scarred from all the abuse UC fans used to give them about being ‘little brother’ and how they were small time, that now that they’ve elevated their program to a premier league they can’t handle it. Still overcompensating after all these years.

I was there for a high school game a few years back and everyone told me to go to Dana’s? I think it was called. It was quite literally the worst establishment I’ve ever been in. Smelled like complete **** was dirty as hell and there was more stuff written about UC on the walls than Xavier. And that was supposed to be one of their best bars. Lol place is pathetic

As many of you know, I HATE THE CROSSTOWN SHOOTOUT. I cannot stand Xavier, I cannot stand losing to Xavier, I cannot stand any basket they make...

Dana's might be the among the most improbable bars I have come across. Catering to a school with under 7,000 students. 2/3 of which are underage. Lots of commuters. Only one sport with any attendance. Unwalkable area. Whoever owns that must be working there ALL THE TIME to keep the doors open. The guy is probably making $5 an hour when you do the math. Gotta be a labor of love for someone because that forlorn ********* definitely doesn't fit any definition of viable business. That said, if it weren't a fecal X bar, I might actually like the place and go there every once in a while - I like hitting a dank, crappy dive every now and then.

History repeats itself and a Decades old **** Whoppin in headed to Blue and white A Hole Heaven.

Hey, did you guys know that, according to the braintrust in Clifton, Xavier is a community college and commuter school?

I love it when we beat them now, coming from the Big East, with them stuck in the AAC. It has to be painful for them. It has to be hell, knowing they are the true commuter school with a money-losing athletic program that desperately wants to be somewhere else, now consistently losing most of the time to their small in-city rival. Maybe we should work on that issue of being nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

That is one sad fan base over there.

It's also a fanbase that thinks that their bowl game is being played in an area that's less secure than Baghdad.

[xudash]

My wife and I were commuters, and also class of ‘80.


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There is nothing wrong with it. Their fans are attempting to make it a negative.

They attempted it while being more “guilty” of it than X, which makes them look pretty foolish.

[scoscox]

It's also a fanbase that thinks that their bowl game is being played in an area that's less secure than Baghdad.

whenever they say "atleast we have football" just remember that they sold 110 tickets to their conference championship game being played in memphis. they don't give a shit either

[paulxu]

"On Deem" !!!

(had totally forgot about that)

[XUGRAD80]

whenever they say "atleast we have football" just remember that they sold 110 tickets to their conference championship game being played in memphis. they don't give a shit either

2nd week in a row that they were playing there, it’s an 8-9 hour drive on the same day and same time as the crosstown shootout, for a game where they were a 9 point underdog. UC just had the highest season attendance for football that they have ever had. Can’t really justify your statement based on the #of tickets they sold for that event through the UC ticket office. I’ve seen a lot of “sold out” games at Cintas where there were a lot of people dressed up as empty seats. But I wouldn’t use that as a reason to say that X people “don’t give a shit”. There are more people that saw UC play football at Nippert this year than will see X play at Cintas, and in only 1/3rd the number of games.

[xudash]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/12/08/budget-woes-university-cincinnati-largest-college-led-deans-departure/2613309001/

Happened to catch that article in the online ENQUIRER. Performance based budgeting can be hell, obviously especially when the performance isn’t there.

More “winning”. UC was desperate for a P5 invite. The AAC and budget games. Damn shame.

[scoscox]

2nd week in a row that they were playing there, it’s an 8-9 hour drive on the same day and same time as the crosstown shootout, for a game where they were a 9 point underdog. UC just had the highest season attendance for football that they have ever had. Can’t really justify your statement based on the #of tickets they sold for that event through the UC ticket office. I’ve seen a lot of “sold out” games at Cintas where there were a lot of people dressed up as empty seats. But I wouldn’t use that as a reason to say that X people “don’t give a shit”. There are more people that saw UC play football at Nippert this year than will see X play at Cintas, and in only 1/3rd the number of games.

lot of excuses for sending two buses of people to your conference championship game

[mid major]

My wife and I were commuters, and also class of ‘80.


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I commuted my freshman year...from Brockman.

[IM4X]

I visited the UC Board to get their reaction to the CS. It's about as consistent as anything could be.

A sample:

Good luck with the nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

Xavier has been our performing us at everything for 10 years. (A moment of truth).

That’s the last time I step foot in Cintas.Guys behind us talked ***** the entire game. ..Lol that’s every Xavier fan ever. They’re a bunch of overconfident pussies.

They all chose to spend 40,000 a year to attend a community college who sponsors one major sport and has never won anything significant in said sport.

I don’t think X fans will ever get that chip off their shoulder. They are so scarred from all the abuse UC fans used to give them about being ‘little brother’ and how they were small time, that now that they’ve elevated their program to a premier league they can’t handle it. Still overcompensating after all these years.

I was there for a high school game a few years back and everyone told me to go to Dana’s? I think it was called. It was quite literally the worst establishment I’ve ever been in. Smelled like complete **** was dirty as hell and there was more stuff written about UC on the walls than Xavier. And that was supposed to be one of their best bars. Lol place is pathetic

As many of you know, I HATE THE CROSSTOWN SHOOTOUT. I cannot stand Xavier, I cannot stand losing to Xavier, I cannot stand any basket they make...

Dana's might be the among the most improbable bars I have come across. Catering to a school with under 7,000 students. 2/3 of which are underage. Lots of commuters. Only one sport with any attendance. Unwalkable area. Whoever owns that must be working there ALL THE TIME to keep the doors open. The guy is probably making $5 an hour when you do the math. Gotta be a labor of love for someone because that forlorn ********* definitely doesn't fit any definition of viable business. That said, if it weren't a fecal X bar, I might actually like the place and go there every once in a while - I like hitting a dank, crappy dive every now and then.

History repeats itself and a Decades old **** Whoppin in headed to Blue and white A Hole Heaven.

Hey, did you guys know that, according to the braintrust in Clifton, Xavier is a community college and commuter school?

I love it when we beat them now, coming from the Big East, with them stuck in the AAC. It has to be painful for them. It has to be hell, knowing they are the true commuter school with a money-losing athletic program that desperately wants to be somewhere else, now consistently losing most of the time to their small in-city rival. Maybe we should work on that issue of being nasty cocky stuck up pieces of shit fans.

That is one sad fan base over there.

Good stuff. Thanks for posting.

[UCGRAD4X]

Listening on the way home yesterday to "sports report" which started off by bemoaning the bearcats two losses over the weekend.....BUT,
They spent almost a minute after that gushing over the UC Women's volleyball team winning a tournament game and going to the sweet sixteen.

So, that's what they're throwing in our face.

Take that Muskie fans!

[X-band '01]

You mean WLW bemoaning that it was a bad weekend locally because of that and some other local team? It was the perfect weekend!

[nuts4xu]

CWeez was totally “On Deem” that day and last Saturday as well. What a great time with him!



Just a heads up, it’s “On Deam”....gotta add the “A”. I know this because Weez told me so. He’s a righteous dude, all the kids love him.

[American X]

Nuke Freemantle announces his presence in the Crosstown Shootout with authority.

[D-West & PO-Z]

2nd week in a row that they were playing there, it’s an 8-9 hour drive on the same day and same time as the crosstown shootout, for a game where they were a 9 point underdog. UC just had the highest season attendance for football that they have ever had. Can’t really justify your statement based on the #of tickets they sold for that event through the UC ticket office. I’ve seen a lot of “sold out” games at Cintas where there were a lot of people dressed up as empty seats. But I wouldn’t use that as a reason to say that X people “don’t give a shit”. There are more people that saw UC play football at Nippert this year than will see X play at Cintas, and in only 1/3rd the number of games.

I'm sorry, are you arguing that UC football doesnt have an attendance issue?

Even UC football people would disagree with you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

There are more people that saw UC play football at Nippert this year than will see X play at Cintas, and in only 1/3rd the number of games.

With 4 times the capacity.

[XUGRAD80]

I'm sorry, are you arguing that UC football doesnt have an attendance issue?

Even UC football people would disagree with you.

A....this isn’t the place to have this discussion, it should be moved to another section and separate thread...this the thread is about the CT shootout game
B...if you want to discuss it separately, I would be willing to do so, but I’m not going to argue about it. That’s senseless
C...if it makes you feel better to have the last word...let it lie You’re right, I’m wrong. There...feel better now?

[GoMuskies]

UC basketball sucks, and UC football is irrelevant.

[D-West & PO-Z]

A....this isn’t the place to have this discussion, it should be moved to another section and separate thread...this the thread is about the CT shootout game
B...if you want to discuss it separately, I would be willing to do so, but I’m not going to argue about it. That’s senseless
C...if it makes you feel better to have the last word...let it lie You’re right, I’m wrong. There...feel better now?

I dont think I am the one arguing or in my feelings about it......

[Xville]

UC basketball sucks, and UC football is irrelevant.

Agreed. To uc football credit though there are only about 15 football programs that are relevant.

[GoMuskies]

True, but they don't even have a path to relevance. I mean, even my mostly-irrelevant Louisville made it up to #2 and had a fourth quarter lead at eventual national champ Clemson a few years ago. Baylor had a 28-3 lead in a game that would have put them in the top 4. TCU was #4 a few years ago. Utah was one win away from the playoffs this year. If you're in the AAC, it's virtually impossible to get there (Boise was tip-toeing around there a time or two).

[D-West & PO-Z]

True, but they don't even have a path to relevance. I mean, even my mostly-irrelevant Louisville made it up to #2 and had a fourth quarter lead at eventual national champ Clemson a few years ago. Baylor had a 28-3 lead in a game that would have put them in the top 4. TCU was #4 a few years ago. Utah was one win away from the playoffs this year. If you're in the AAC, it's virtually impossible to get there (Boise was tip-toeing around there a time or two).

Exactly. As it currently stands, every season UC (and any program not in P5) has a 0% chance to make the CFP.

There were some delusional fans out there this year who thought they could get in if the beat OSU and went undefeated but even then it wasnt happening. No chance.

[Xuperman]

Nah, anything is possible but you would have to have a season like UCF when it beat Auburn in it's bowl game, coming off an undefeated season. Then return most of your starters, be preseason top 10 and really destroy your schedule and hope for a down SEC. Ater that it's up to the CFP ranking committee. Expand the playoff and things change for the best.

[xudash]

Ok, slow week. Just caught this in the online ENQUIRER and decided to put it here, since it is UC related:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/12/08/budget-woes-university-cincinnati-largest-college-led-deans-departure/2613309001/

Performance-based budgeting. Don't hit your revenue targets? Fine, we'll convert the "gap" to debt you owe the school.

On the one hand, I have to believe that UC is generally financially stable. On the other hand, their losing run at a P5 invite and some other decisions they've made certainly don't seem to have added to the overall vibrancy of the academic product. Cutting teaching salaries at all levels - professors, adjuncts and grad assistants - would seem to be an eventual road to hell in my book.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Nah, anything is possible but you would have to have a season like UCF when it beat Auburn in it's bowl game, coming off an undefeated season. Then return most of your starters, be preseason top 10 and really destroy your schedule and hope for a down SEC. Ater that it's up to the CFP ranking committee. Expand the playoff and things change for the best.

0% chance, I guess unless they somehow has an OOC schedule of all top tier P5 schools and went undefeated. But that scenario isnt happening. So yeah, 0%

[GoMuskies]

0% chance, I guess unless they somehow has an OOC schedule of all top tier P5 schools and went undefeated. But that scenario isnt happening. So yeah, 0%

Disagree. Boise would have been #3 if they hadn't choked against Nevada. This is pre-playoff, of course, but I still think it would have played out.

[bjf123]

Just noticed the game is being shown again on Fox Sports Ohio tonight. 2nd half is about to start.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

Disagree. Boise would have been #3 if they hadn't choked against Nevada. This is pre-playoff, of course, but I still think it would have played out.

I think the way the BCS formula worked and the way the current CFP committee works there is no way they leave out at minimum 2 of the P5 conferences for a team outside of the P5.

[Masterofreality]

Ok, slow week. Just caught this in the online ENQUIRER and decided to put it here, since it is UC related:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/12/08/budget-woes-university-cincinnati-largest-college-led-deans-departure/2613309001/

Performance-based budgeting. Don't hit your revenue targets? Fine, we'll convert the "gap" to debt you owe the school.

On the one hand, I have to believe that UC is generally financially stable. On the other hand, their losing run at a P5 invite and some other decisions they've made certainly don't seem to have added to the overall vibrancy of the academic product. Cutting teaching salaries at all levels - professors, adjuncts and grad assistants - would seem to be an eventual road to hell in my book.

Blocked by the paywall. Whatever...

[Masterofreality]

Just a heads up, it’s “On Deam”....gotta add the “A”. I know this because Weez told me so. He’s a righteous dude, all the kids love him.

Dammit!! That is true!!

I'm Off Deam!!!

[Masterofreality]

One last thing about the Shootout.

This was probably the first time in over 50 years that I didn't have a point of hate on Clifton Community College. There was always somebody- player, coach, just someone to get my juices flowing.
Can't really hate Brannen. Don't know if he's the right guy, but time will tell. He doesn't seem to be getting the Xavier quality of recruits though. Cumberland isn't hateable. Keith Williams started out to be a villian by trolling the X bench after his first 3, but was quickly silenced.

There was just no slimy Gale Catlett, BeelzeBob, YTG, Andy "Racially assault a cab driver" Kennedy, "free roof" Bob Goin, Lance Stephenson, or any other miscreants to hate. It was weird for me. But....the result was cool.

I think Clifton Community is in trouble.

[sirthought]

Can't really hate Brannen. Don't know if he's the right guy, but time will tell. He doesn't seem to be getting the Xavier quality of recruits though.

Four of his recruits are people XU offered and recruited. Harvey, Davenport, and the Madsen brothers.

Freshman point guard Mika Adams-Woods looked pretty confident in a big shootout game, given his experience level. 21 minutes. 10 points and 3 rebounds. He's starting to get more significant playing time over grad transfer McNeal, who only played 16 minutes, although he started.

Davenport played 4 inconsequential minutes. Harvey didn't play. Not sure why, but I suspect he's like Cumberland where he's used to being ball dominant and is still adjusting to how Brannen wants to run the offense.

[Juice]

Four of his recruits are people XU offered and recruited. Harvey, Davenport, and the Madsen brothers.

Freshman point guard Mika Adams-Woods looked pretty confident in a big shootout game, given his experience level. 21 minutes. 10 points and 3 rebounds. He's starting to get more significant playing time over grad transfer McNeal, who only played 16 minutes, although he started.

Davenport played 4 inconsequential minutes. Harvey didn't play. Not sure why, but I suspect he's like Cumberland where he's used to being ball dominant and is still adjusting to how Brannen wants to run the offense.

Those 4 guys were back up plans for Xavier. He didn't really beat X out for them.

[sirthought]

Those 4 guys were back up plans for Xavier. He didn't really beat X out for them.

Okay, if you think a top 50 recruit is a backup plan, fine.

I think Steele really wanted Gabe Madsen, but was not as keen to take Mason Madsen. They said they weren't a package deal, but when Cincy offered both they went for it.

[noteggs]

Okay, if you think a top 50 recruit is a backup plan, fine.

I think Steele really wanted Gabe Madsen, but was not as keen to take Mason Madsen. They said they weren't a package deal, but when Cincy offered both they went for it.

As I’ve said before, I will not criticize UC for taking a risk with Harvey (ranked around 50). However, X decided to take a pass on him after he approached us on his reclassification for whatever reason. As for Gabe, X really liked him as you said, but after Colby committed, there wasn’t a real need for him at his position.

[Juice]

Okay, if you think a top 50 recruit is a backup plan, fine.

I think Steele really wanted Gabe Madsen, but was not as keen to take Mason Madsen. They said they weren't a package deal, but when Cincy offered both they went for it.

Gabe is 141 on 247 and 187 in their composite. Where are you getting top 50?

Colby Jones committed on 8/14 and Madsen committed on 8/31. And also on 8/21 Brian Snow wrote on 247 that Xavier was recruiting but "is no longer involved."

EDIT: If you're referring to Harvey, X was recruiting him but definitely backed off before he committed to UC.

[MauriceX]

One last thing about the Shootout.

This was probably the first time in over 50 years that I didn't have a point of hate on Clifton Community College. There was always somebody- player, coach, just someone to get my juices flowing.
Can't really hate Brannen. Don't know if he's the right guy, but time will tell. He doesn't seem to be getting the Xavier quality of recruits though. Cumberland isn't hateable. Keith Williams started out to be a villian by trolling the X bench after his first 3, but was quickly silenced.

There was just no slimy Gale Catlett, BeelzeBob, YTG, Andy "Racially assault a cab driver" Kennedy, "free roof" Bob Goin, Lance Stephenson, or any other miscreants to hate. It was weird for me. But....the result was cool.

I think Clifton Community is in trouble.

I might not have your same 50 years of fandom behind me, but I was telling my UC friends the same thing before this game!! This is the first time in my memory where my reaction to the entire UC team and coaching staff was "Eh, they don't seem that bad" instead of pure, unbridled sports hatred. In fact, I actually kind of enjoy watching some of the guys on that team!

I was afraid that not having a "villain" would tone down the fun, but winning was still as awesome as ever!

[xudash]

Gale Catlett. Damn.

So, we do not hate them as much anymore, and police horses now live without fear.

[JTG]

I too have viewed the Shootout for 50 yrs. Without a creep patrolling the sidelines for UC, it just boils down to a game we should win, and we did.

[Smails]

I might not have your same 50 years of fandom behind me, but I was telling my UC friends the same thing before this game!! This is the first time in my memory where my reaction to the entire UC team and coaching staff was "Eh, they don't seem that bad" instead of pure, unbridled sports hatred. In fact, I actually kind of enjoy watching some of the guys on that team!

I was afraid that not having a "villain" would tone down the fun, but winning was still as awesome as ever!

If it's of any consequence, the UC fan base really seems to dislike Travis...only amplified after picking up the tab at Danas. So we have that going for us.

[bleedXblue]

If it's of any consequence, the UC fan base really seems to dislike Travis...only amplified after picking up the tab at Danas. So we have that going for us.

I've not seen or heard anything like this.......hard to dislike Travis for anything IMHO. He's only 1 year into the job?

[X-man]

I've not seen or heard anything like this.......hard to dislike Travis for anything IMHO. He's only 1 year into the job?

I haven't either. Certainly nothing on any Cincy message board that I have seen.

[Smails]

I haven't either. Certainly nothing on any Cincy message board that I have seen.

You guys are kidding...right? He is well known for paying recruits and being Mack's 'bag man' in UC lore. The only reason we have been out recruiting them for the last 5-10 years is directly related to Steele cheating. They've been quieter after the shootout but there are tons of posts on BCJ about him being a bad coach and dirty recruiter...

[bleedXblue]

You guys are kidding...right? He is well known for paying recruits and being Mack's 'bag man' in UC lore. The only reason we have been out recruiting them for the last 5-10 years is directly related to Steele cheating. They've been quieter after the shootout but there are tons of posts on BCJ about him being a bad coach and dirty recruiter...

yeah ok........what a few posters say about Steele does not represent what their fan base in general thinks about him. Paying recruits? Now that's funny. Who are they saying we "paid" to come to X?

[Smails]

yeah ok........what a few posters say about Steele does not represent what their fan base in general thinks about him. Paying recruits? Now that's funny. Who are they saying we "paid" to come to X?

Scruggs...Sumner are a couple that have been mentioned. I find it hillarious and Keenland Dan is a big champion of the steele cheats narrative. And yes, I understand that BCJ posters don't represent the entire fanbase. He's not at villain status yet but if we keep kicking asses on the recruiting trail, it won't take long.

[X-man]

You guys are kidding...right? He is well known for paying recruits and being Mack's 'bag man' in UC lore. The only reason we have been out recruiting them for the last 5-10 years is directly related to Steele cheating. They've been quieter after the shootout but there are tons of posts on BCJ about him being a bad coach and dirty recruiter...

I can't find them on BCJ. Link to a couple??

[AviatorX]

You guys are kidding...right? He is well known for paying recruits and being Mack's 'bag man' in UC lore. The only reason we have been out recruiting them for the last 5-10 years is directly related to Steele cheating. They've been quieter after the shootout but there are tons of posts on BCJ about him being a bad coach and dirty recruiter...

Please give Travis Steele the credit he deserves. Everyone knows his bag man days go back to landing Eric Gordon at IU under Kelvin Sampson.

[bleedXblue]

Scruggs...Sumner are a couple that have been mentioned. I find it hillarious and Keenland Dan is a big champion of the steele cheats narrative. And yes, I understand that BCJ posters don't represent the entire fanbase. He's not at villain status yet but if we keep kicking asses on the recruiting trail, it won't take long.

You know Keenland Dan is Micks brother?

[Smails]

You know Keenland Dan is Micks brother?

Yes, quite aware. Have had the 'pleasure' of discussing XU basketball with him a few times in person

[bleedXblue]

Yes, quite aware. Have had the 'pleasure' of discussing XU basketball with him a few times in person

Yeah, he's an ahole of the highest order. And I am sure he will and has made excuses why Lil Mick couldn't snag recruits at X's level

[bjf123]

I too have viewed the Shootout for 50 yrs. Without a creep patrolling the sidelines for UC, it just boils down to a game we should win, and we did.

Yep. Brannon seems like a decent guy. He did a heck of a job at NKU. It was so easy to dislike UC when Huggs and Mick we’re on the sidelines.


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[Smails]

I can't find them on BCJ. Link to a couple??
Here's a gem..there are more that you can find

1,299
The situation at Xavier is interesting. Steele was Mack's "bag man". The skills that make for a good recruiter "bag man" assistant aren't necessarily the same as those that make for a good HC. It would be more than a little understandable for areas of his development to be somewhat lacking.

Just watching X I can see an area of deficiency that seems to be consistently causing problems and would be directly tied to a HC's way of doing things (or not doing something). Naturally I am not going to go into it on here, LOL. I am sure I am not the only one who see's it though ; )


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[xudash]

Here's a gem..there are more that you can find

1,299
The situation at Xavier is interesting. Steele was Mack's "bag man". The skills that make for a good recruiter "bag man" assistant aren't necessarily the same as those that make for a good HC. It would be more than a little understandable for areas of his development to be somewhat lacking.

Just watching X I can see an area of deficiency that seems to be consistently causing problems and would be directly tied to a HC's way of doing things (or not doing something). Naturally I am not going to go into it on here, LOL. I am sure I am not the only one who see's it though ; )


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Wow. That guy is literally stupid.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow. That guy is literally stupid.

Well....he's a UC fan, so.....

[X-man]

Here's a gem..there are more that you can find

1,299
The situation at Xavier is interesting. Steele was Mack's "bag man". The skills that make for a good recruiter "bag man" assistant aren't necessarily the same as those that make for a good HC. It would be more than a little understandable for areas of his development to be somewhat lacking.

Just watching X I can see an area of deficiency that seems to be consistently causing problems and would be directly tied to a HC's way of doing things (or not doing something). Naturally I am not going to go into it on here, LOL. I am sure I am not the only one who see's it though ; )


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Link? "1299" is not helpful to find this particular post on the BCJ (or any other) board. Thanks.

[paulxu]

That's a post from "Eastside_J." That explains it.

[Smails]

Link? "1299" is not helpful to find this particular post on the BCJ (or any other) board. Thanks.

www.findityourself.com

[D-West & PO-Z]

Found this gem on my fbook memories page from like 11 years ago.

https://www.espn.com/page2/s/cincy/quiz.html

[Masterofreality]

Found this gem on my fbook memories page from like 11 years ago.

https://www.espn.com/page2/s/cincy/quiz.html

That. Is. Classic

[UCGRAD4X]

Found this gem on my fbook memories page from like 11 years ago.

https://www.espn.com/page2/s/cincy/quiz.html

Funny if not for the reality. Probably needs some updating.