Game Thread: Xavier v. Jacksonville (November 5, 2019) Non-Conference

[Muskie]

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Xavier University Musketeers (0-0,0-0) vs. Jacksonville Dolphins (0-0,0-0)
Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 7:00 p.m.
Cintas Center, Cincinnati

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops) (TBD)



Television: FS2


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55KRC-AM, including via iHeart Radio, TuneIn and via Sirius (134), XM (202) and Internet (965) with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).





Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com. Fan stats at GoXavier.com.

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PUBLIC PARKING LOTS
There will now be a $10 charge per game for all public parking lots in University Station, near Listermann's Brewery, and off Woodburn Ave. behind Alumni Center. These lots will accept cash only. For the location of these public lots, please view the Parking Map here. (PDF) (https://goxavier.com/documents/2019/8/26//2019_Cintas_Center_Parking_Map.pdf?id=20150)
Public lots are dark gray and marked with a 'P.'

SMOKE FREE CAMPUS
As of July 1, 2019, the use of any tobacco product and/or nicotine delivery system in any form, excluding FDA approved cessation medications, is prohibited in all Xavier University facilities and on all Xavier University owned or leased property, including Cintas Center. As a result, fans will no longer be allowed to smoke outside on the plaza before, during and after games.

SHUTTLE ROUTES
Due to construction taking place at University Station that will prevent traffic passing through the parking lot between the HUB and University Station, the golf cart shuttle routes have been adjusted for the upcoming season. Fans are encouraged to review the shuttle map online here (PDF) (https://goxavier.com/documents/2019/10/24//CintasShuttleMap2019.pdf?id=21296)
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[D-West & PO-Z]

So glad the Muskies are back to rescue me/my fandom from the Mets, Knicks, and Giants!

[GoMuskies]

Anyone know anything about the opponent? Are we playing a bad team from a bad conference? Or one of the better A-Sun teams? It looks like they stunk last year, but are they expected to be better?

Either way, should be fun to face a real opponent and get to 1-0!

[Juice]

Anyone know anything about the opponent? Are we playing a bad team from a bad conference? Or one of the better A-Sun teams? It looks like they stunk last year, but are they expected to be better?

Either way, should be fun to face a real opponent and get to 1-0!

I read somewhere that they were voted to be preseason 7th in their conference. I think they lost a lot to guys transferring out.

[JTG]

Xavier website says public parking will be $5, not $10.

[Muskie]

I got the parking info right off GoXavier.


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[noteggs]

Banner’s write up on Jacksonville. Was published before preseason conference polls.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/8/3/20751762/know-your-non-conference-opponent-jacksonville-xavier-basketball

[xukeith]

Banner’s write up on Jacksonville. Was published before preseason conference polls.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/8/3/20751762/know-your-non-conference-opponent-jacksonville-xavier-basketball

As much as I love Xavier, I don't see any current players as NBA talented players. More than likely, they are G league or European professionals.

At a stretch, Naji may get some consideration IF he shoots the ball at 40% or higher from all distances.

[paulxu]

Muskie, thanks for bringing back my little guy!

[bleedXblue]

I got the parking info right off GoXavier.


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For what its worth......it was free two years ago. $5.00 last year and now $10.00 this year.

[noteggs]

As much as I love Xavier, I don't see any current players as NBA talented players. More than likely, they are G league or European professionals.

At a stretch, Naji may get some consideration IF he shoots the ball at 40% or higher from all distances.

Yea, think they’re a little bullish on that comment. Decent article on what to expect from Jacksonville though.

[GIMMFD]

For what its worth......it was free two years ago. $5.00 last year and now $10.00 this year.

So that's where we're getting the funding for all the development on campus!!

[drudy23]

"I don't know nuthin about Jacksonville (Angola), but Jacksonville (Angola) in trouble" - Charles Barkley

[Xville]

As much as I love Xavier, I don't see any current players as NBA talented players. More than likely, they are G league or European professionals.

At a stretch, Naji may get some consideration IF he shoots the ball at 40% or higher from all distances.

I think Scruggs actually has the talent to make a roster, but having to play off the ball due to q, hurts his stock. He was amazing last year while q was out, then regressed back to the mean when q came back.

Just my two cents but I think if anyone can make it, paul can due to his length at the 1 spot, athletic ability, and has shown he can shoot.

[UCGRAD4X]

Will questions about this team begin to be answered tonight? Or will this game be considered another glorified exhibition game (i.e. one that counts)?

Either way, looking forward to the first in a long string of Ws tonight!

Let the ride begin!

[GoMuskies]

X -24

[AviatorX]

Didn’t Atlantic 10 legend London Warren choose between UD and Jacksonville (the college, not the NFL team)? I believe the Dolphins were also our lovely host for the first two rounds when X advanced to the Sweet 16 in 2015. Good to have the Dolphins back in the picture.

I think Q will have a huge night and look like the guy we all want him to be.

[drudy23]

Will questions about this team begin to be answered tonight? Or will this game be considered another glorified exhibition game (i.e. one that counts)?

Either way, looking forward to the first in a long string of Ws tonight!

Let the ride begin!

First game is always amped up a few levels, regardless of opponent.

Two years ago, we ripped the doors off the building and looked amazing in the opener. Last year, not so much.

Should be a ton of enthusiasm from player and fans. Would be concerned otherwise.

[GIMMFD]

X -24

I've gotten into DraftKings and am super upset the X game isn't on the slate for my picks in a cheap $1 double-up, I saw the line and immediately felt good about putting Naji in, but to no avail.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hope to hear a lot of this on my TV tonite:


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=barking+noise+youtube&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&plvar=0&refig=2ede33a1ecff4edbae0e3b1024df3b9f&sp=-1&pq=&sc=0-0&qs=n&sk=&cvid=2ede33a1ecff4edbae0e3b1024df3b9f&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dbarking%2bnoise%2byoutube%26for m%3dEDNTHT%26mkt%3den-us%26httpsmsn%3d1%26msnews%3d1%26plvar%3d0%26refig %3d2ede33a1ecff4edbae0e3b1024df3b9f%26sp%3d-1%26pq%3d%26sc%3d0-0%26qs%3dn%26sk%3d%26cvid%3d2ede33a1ecff4edbae0e3b 1024df3b9f&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=D62B6BE049EB23DF7400D62B6BE049EB23DF7400&FORM=WRVORC

[Jesuit4Life]

Let's Go X

[XUGRAD80]

6:45 and I am now hearing the wonderful sounds of Joe and Lark on the radio....it’s been a loooong offseason and I’m ready for the games to begin!

[GoMuskies]

Is Schrand really going to play on this team? Is this real life?!?

I vaguely remember this from last year, but I'm glad Fox acquired NBC's old NBA music. Brings back good memories as they go to breaks.

[X Factor]

Is Schrand really going to play on this team? Is this real life?!?

Good question. We are in trouble if he is getting minutes.

[noteggs]

Enter the Schrandman!

[drudy23]

Is there a brick counter too?

And yes, why is Schrand starting (or playing)?

[GoMuskies]

Love that pass from Naji to Freemantle.

[drudy23]

Love that pass from Naji to Freemantle.

Why? Just dunk it Naj

[GoMuskies]

Why? Just dunk it Naj

Because we're going to beat this team by 100. Get the freshman the ball.

[drudy23]

Brick count - 49

[xu82]

Is Schrand really going to play on this team? Is this real life?!?

I vaguely remember this from last year, but I'm glad Fox acquired NBC's old NBA music. Brings back good memories as they go to breaks.

I admit it, I had to look him up.

[drudy23]

Very, very early - but I'm not liking the offensive flow. Or lack of flow.

Defense looks intense.

Scruggs can keep shooting however.

[GoMuskies]

That inbounds play where Scruggs then hands it to Q in the corner should probably come out of the playbook.

[xu82]

Brick count - 49


Always looking to add a new building!

[drudy23]

Can we be a top 25 team without a consistent 3 point threat?

[xu82]

Very, very early - but I'm not liking the offensive flow. Or lack of flow.

Defense looks intense.

Scruggs can keep shooting however.

A couple very quick 3’s from Q and Naji gave me flashbacks to the dark days of last season.

[Smooth]

That inbounds play where Scruggs then hands it to Q in the corner should probably come out of the playbook.

Yep.

[Smooth]

Carter!

[usfldan]

Is Schrand really going to play on this team? Is this real life?!?

I vaguely remember this from last year, but I'm glad Fox acquired NBC's old NBA music. Brings back good memories as they go to breaks.

John Tesh wrote and owns the song ("Roundball Rock"). I thought I remember reading he offered it to ABC or ESPN for NBA games, but they turned him down.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timcasey/2019/03/15/fox-sports-revitalizes-john-teshs-iconic-roundball-rock-nba-song-on-college-basketball-telecasts/#67dcca3764dd

[GoMuskies]

Offense still looks a bit rough, but the defense is nice.

[Xville]

Brick brick brick...upper classmen and the offense still looks like crap

[xu82]

Who do we WANT to put up 3’s? I have one in mind, and another “hopeful”.

[drudy23]

Scruggs has the green light. Everyone else, work for a better one unless you're WIDE open.

KyKy please hurry. I know he's an unproven freshman, but I just think he's going to bring a different element this offense needs.

Actually kind of intriguing for him, Scruggs, and Q to press full court like they did a little earlier in the game.

[drudy23]

And Naj is always in a hurry on offense. Calm down.

[xukeith]

defense is solid. Naji tries way too hard. Like Moore on defense.

[drudy23]

Are we slowly turning into a Mick Cronin team?

[xudash]

It’s their first game of the season! They are excited. We are excited.

There is a lot to clean it up. The competition isn’t that great. I sure as hell love the energy. I credit the coaching staff for that.

[AviatorX]

What is this group's standard for an acceptable offense this season? If X is top 40 in KenPom efficiency, would people be OK with that?

Just want to set the bar here so we can evaluate as the season progresses.

[XBR1]

The offensive flow is terrible.

[X Factor]

Some really stupid turnovers

[drudy23]

That is not a flagrant foul.

[RoseyMuskie]

Positives of the first half:

-Moore’s on ball defense is enjoyable to watch
-Freemantle’s ability to hedge and recover

Negatives:
-Free throw shooting
-Shooting in general

Pretty clear this team will need to grind against legitimate opponents.

[drudy23]

Hoping KyKy can provide an extra element that makes it easier on the offensive end.

[whopper]

I think refs looked at Freemantle hard foul before and penalized Bell for second hard foul. Moore 3 was a big shot because he needed confidence as did not shoot well in Spain. Very impressive so far

[GIMMFD]

Positives of the first half:

-Moore’s on ball defense is enjoyable to watch
-Freemantle’s ability to hedge and recover

Negatives:
-Free throw shooting
-Shooting in general

Pretty clear this team will need to grind against legitimate opponents.

I also enjoy Bryce Moore's trigger, he may have some nights that he gets really hot and can light it up from three, but he's definitely not afraid to take them, it hasn't been the prettiest opening half, but we are up around 20, so well on our way to covering the spread haha.

[xu82]

You hear all these names and reports about these guys, but it’s awesome to finally get a look at them to gauge what we have. This is a boatload of change this year. It seems like it’s more and more each season as you have guys go early to play professionally at various levels.

[RoseyMuskie]

I also enjoy Bryce Moore's trigger, he may have some nights that he gets really hot and can light it up from three, but he's definitely not afraid to take them, it hasn't been the prettiest opening half, but we are up around 20, so well on our way to covering the spread haha.

Thought the same thing. Clean, smooth form. After the miss late in the half, I had no issue with that shot. He then hit a nice three.

[bjf123]

Can we be a top 25 team without a consistent 3 point threat?

That’s easy. No.


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[drudy23]

Are we running an offense?

[xu82]

Are we running an offense?

Define “offense”.

[drudy23]

I mean, they're playing hard...but you can tell something is missing on offense, even more than the obvious fact they can't shoot.

There is simply zero fluidity. Reminds me of how we started last year.

[X Factor]

This is pretty bad. Jacksonville is one of the worst teams in the country.

[X Factor]

I mean, they're playing hard...but you can tell something is missing on offense, even more than the obvious fact they can't shoot.

There is simply zero fluidity. Reminds me of how we started last year.

We are an awful shooting team. Gonna be that way all year. I miss having guys that could make a three.

[drudy23]

We are an awful shooting team. Gonna be that way all year. I miss having guys that could make a three.

Which I think makes Naji look even worse. He can't play his open style without shooters to give him the space to operate.

He never looked like he was pressing when he had Tre and JP to spread the floor.

Now he looks out of control at all times.

[drudy23]

I also think I like watching Mack's playing style better too. I think it's pretty clear he was pretty good coaching the offensive end.

But we'll see where this takes us.

[AviatorX]

I also think I like watching Mack's playing style better too. I think it's pretty clear he was pretty good coaching the offensive end.

But we'll see where this takes us.

How is the style different? It’s not really fair to judge that based on the roster differences...cmon.

Isn’t it well known that Travis designed the offense under the last regime or am I wrong?

[RoseyMuskie]

I was cautiously optimistic that adding additional pieces around the core would help shooting overall. Had the thought they’d have fresher legs, spacing would improve, etc. Maybe they just had an off night from that standpoint, but tonight wasn’t encouraging coming off last season.

Don’t think it’s entirely negative, though. The complimentary pieces seem much improved/have greater potential.

I think the team can win quite a few games, but they’ll have to “muddy” the games. Just not typical Xavier style. And we need to get accustomed to that.

[drudy23]

How is the style different? It’s not really fair to judge that based on the roster differences...cmon.

Isn’t it well known that Travis designed the offense under the last regime or am I wrong?

I don't think the offense is anywhere as close as it was when you compare ball movement, shot selection, and effectiveness of sets.

I think that comes down to execution and basketball IQ. The system is probably close, but the execution isn't nearly as solid.

On the flip side, defense looks to be much better all around.

[RoseyMuskie]

I also think I like watching Mack's playing style better too. I think it's pretty clear he was pretty good coaching the offensive end.

But we'll see where this takes us.

I think this is more a personnel challenge not a Mack vs. Steele style. I’m sure Steele would love a smoother offense, and someone akin to Trevon. But that’s not the case, so he has to scheme around the personnel. And we’ll have to get used to that.

[Xville]

I don't think the offense is anywhere as close as it was when you compare ball movement, shot selection, and effectiveness of sets.

I think that comes down to execution and basketball IQ. The system is probably close, but the execution isn't nearly as solid.

Ok but that's not on the coach..execution is on the players. As I have said numerous times, the offense would look ten times better if q never played and paul ran the offense. The offense looked the best last year when q was out and paul had the ball in his hands.

[drudy23]

This team most definitely needs to run through Scruggs.

I'll reserve judgment until I see a couple weeks of a healthy KyKY as well.

[X Factor]

17% from three and 58% from the FT line. Thank God we played Jacksonville, who KenPom ranks 289th to start the year.

That game did not inspire me for this year. Just being honest. And I agree, I hope KyKy lives up to his preseason billing.

[xufan2020]

Tough f’n crowd here.. they took the foot off the pedal but the game was never in doubt. It’s the first game of the season and they still dominated, chill out

[AviatorX]

I don't think the offense is anywhere as close as it was when you compare ball movement, shot selection, and effectiveness of sets.

I think that comes down to execution and basketball IQ. The system is probably close, but the execution isn't nearly as solid.

On the flip side, defense looks to be much better all around.

You won't get any argument from me here, I'd just note that Mack's last Xavier offense featured truly truly elite personnel - it will be a LONG time before we see another Xavier offense that potent, regardless of style/approach/talent. I mean you had role players across the board with elite offensive efficiency in Kanter/Gates/O'Mara (plus a Naji who could play only to his strengths without worrying about anything else). Yet Mack coached em up to a huge choke job against a truly mediocre FSU team.

I'm going to give this offense some time. I think Carter is key as a second distributor who they can play through when things get really stagnant and the usual suspects are over dribbling. Not only is he on a minutes restriction right now, but it'll take a bit of time for him to assert that role, IMO. Obviously Tandy is a total wildcard as well and offers nothing but offensive upside really.

Again, I don't ever think this will be a great offensive team, but the reason last year's team sucked was the defense. The offense was fine.

[AviatorX]

Ok but that's not on the coach..execution is on the players. As I have said numerous times, the offense would look ten times better if q never played and paul ran the offense. The offense looked the best last year when q was out and paul had the ball in his hands.

Good to see you're in midseason form! If you think this team's ceiling involves Q "never playing", there is no helping you. Christ.

[scoscox]

We had a top 50 offense last year even with how bad we were shooting wise. pretty impressive job imo by travis

[drudy23]

Just make the tournament - and beat UC.

[Xville]

Good to see you're in midseason form! If you think this team's ceiling involves Q "never playing", there is no helping you. Christ.

And when the offense looks better next year, you'll think...damn maybe he had a point.

[AviatorX]

And when the offense looks better next year, you'll think...damn maybe he had a point.

No, I guarantee you I won't. Just curious, since you consistently pin how bad the offense "looked" last season (all the way in the basement of D1 at #56 on KenPom) on Q, does he get any credit for the best offense in school history the year prior? I mean he did play 75% of that team's PG minutes and led the team in assists (as he did his other two seasons), assist rate, etc.

[AviatorX]

Any insight on Schrand's minutes? I mean what the hell is going on with that? Feels like we aren't talking enough about one of the weirder things that's happened in a while.

[X Factor]

Any insight on Schrand's minutes? I mean what the hell is going on with that? Feels like we aren't talking enough about one of the weirder things that's happened in a while.

I'm sure we're the only Top 25 team that started a 5'9 walk-on. Not sure why. He's probably great kid, but I hope Steele stops playing him. I mean, he will get killed by BE guards.

[Xville]

No, I guarantee you I won't. Just curious, since you consistently pin how bad the offense "looked" last season (all the way in the basement of D1 at #56 on KenPom) on Q, does he get any credit for the best offense in school history the year prior? I mean he did play 75% of that team's PG minutes and led the team in assists (as he did his other two seasons), assist rate, etc.

No credit from me. I have seen the way he looks when he doesnt have two of the best shooters xavier has ever had playing next to him.

[UCGRAD4X]

Any insight on Schrand's minutes? I mean what the hell is going on with that? Feels like we aren't talking enough about one of the weirder things that's happened in a while.

Schrand plays pretty good defense. He is very disciplined and assignment strong. I think it is a bit of a message from Travis - play defense ifyou want minutes. Plus it's a reward for hardwork. The question will be, how long does this continue as the level of competition increases.

[AviatorX]

No credit from me. I have seen the way he looks when he doesnt have two of the best shooters xavier has ever had playing next to him.

Lol. But to be clear, he also gets no benefit of the doubt when he's surrounded by a roster of guys who can't shoot? So you get it both ways? Makes sense.

PS: Not surprising considering the source, but by no means is JP Macura anywhere near the list of best shooters in Xavier history.

[AviatorX]

I'm sure we're the only Top 25 team that started a 5'9 walk-on. Not sure why. He's probably great kid, but I hope Steele stops playing him. I mean, he will get killed by BE guards.

Totally agree. I think it's a valid criticism. Those 18 minutes should go to some combo of Bishop/Moore aka guys we're going to need down the line.

[Xville]

Lol. But to be clear, he also gets no benefit of the doubt when he's surrounded by a roster of guys who can't shoot? So you get it both ways? Makes sense.

PS: Not surprising considering the source, but by no means is JP Macura anywhere near the list of best shooters in Xavier history.

I get it, you're a q apologist and will defend him until the end of time. Are you related?

It's easy to look good when you have jp and tre next to you that can spread the floor...you could have played point guard and had a great assist number. Somehow paul looked better and the balls moved a lot quicker with the same personnel last year. If you think that's not the case, you are either lying, or you didnt see the games.

[UCGRAD4X]

Got a little sloppy near the end, but generally in charge for the entire game, start to finish. I still don't get the three point shooting early in the shot closk from Q and Naji. Steele even said on the post game that this is a concern. My question is, WHY THE F*** ARE YOU LETTING THEM CONTINUE TO DO IT AFTER ALL THIS TIME!? Does he not have control of this team? I just don't get it. STOP ALREADY!

[AviatorX]

I get it, you're a q apologist. Are you related?

I think Q is a solid (not spectacular) player who has had a strong career at X. The facts agree with that take. That doesn't mean Q didn't underperform and frustrate last season. I'm only an apologist as a foil to your absurd negativity about Q.

I mean you just said you think it would be best for the team if Q never played. That is one of the most insane takes ever posted on this board.

You have been clamoring for KyKy for over a year now, so I hope you hold him to the same standard when he hits the floor (and good luck to him).

[scoscox]

Tough f’n crowd here.. they took the foot off the pedal but the game was never in doubt. It’s the first game of the season and they still dominated, chill out

Agreed. We were up 30 for a good chunk of the game.

[noteggs]

I think this is more a personnel challenge not a Mack vs. Steele style. I’m sure Steele would love a smoother offense, and someone akin to Trevon. But that’s not the case, so he has to scheme around the personnel. And we’ll have to get used to that.

Bingo! This team is one the most athletic teams we’ve had, but can’t shot. Like you said, Steele is adjusting the offense (this year and last) accordingly. Not slamming or blaming Mack, but this is who he recruited the last four years - long athletic kids (sure some shooters didn’t work out for various reasons). As we have noticed over last two years, Steele is trying to get more of a diverse recruiting class with shooters and play makers.

[XUGRAD80]

I'm sure we're the only Top 25 team that started a 5'9 walk-on. Not sure why. He's probably great kid, but I hope Steele stops playing him. I mean, he will get killed by BE guards.

You have something personal against walk-ones? By the way, he’s listed as 6-2, not 5-9. Also, in the pregame show Steele said he thought that by next week Carter would be in the starting lineup. He just started practicing a couple of days ago and has basically been down for the last month.

[UCGRAD4X]

I hope Q has a great year and proves a lot of nay-sayers wrong. And I am sure even those nay-sayers would say that (if they don't that's a whole nuther layer of stupid). If he continues the recent trend, he has not really improved much since his early forced entry when Sumner went down...I'm still waiting to get on the Q bandwagon. We haven't really had any realistic options to Q. I'm not sure I will miss him at this point. I sure hope that changes because the team needs him to be better.

[XUGRAD80]

Tough f’n crowd here.. they took the foot off the pedal but the game was never in doubt. It’s the first game of the season and they still dominated, chill out

Couldn’t agree more.

[Xville]

I think Q is a solid (not spectacular) player who has had a strong career at X. The facts agree with that take. That doesn't mean Q didn't underperform and frustrate last season. I'm only an apologist as a foil to your absurd negativity about Q.

I mean you just said you think it would be best for the team if Q never played. That is one of the most insane takes ever posted on this board.

You have been clamoring for KyKy for over a year now, so I hope you hold him to the same standard when he hits the floor (and good luck to him).

What was xaviers record when q was.out last year?

[bobbiemcgee]

I thought Freemantle played well.

[X Factor]

You have something personal against walk-ones? By the way, he’s listed as 6-2, not 5-9. Also, in the pregame show Steele said he thought that by next week Carter would be in the starting lineup. He just started practicing a couple of days ago and has basically been down for the last month.

I have nothing against walk-ons. However, Xavier is a Top 20 team. He shouldn't ever see the floor unless we're up 20 late in the second half, or God forbid, we become decimated by injuries? How many minutes did he get last year total?

I'd say the same for Dontarius James.

[X Factor]

I thought Freemantle played well.

Agree, good first game for the freshman.

[paulxu]

I don't know how many minutes Q played and couldn't see the game.
But if your point guard is 2-10, and 1-4 from the line, that's got to be a concern.
Of greater concern (for a PG) is 1 Assist and 2 Turnovers.

[AviatorX]

What was xaviers record when q was.out last year?

4-0 against the murderer's row of IUPUI, Ohio, Georgetown and Butler. Are you really going to lean on that? Not to mention X had absolutely no business winning the Georgetown and (especially) Butler games - if you want to credit that to Q being out, more power to you.

They were also 2-0 without Naji (including a win over an actual NCAA Tournament team in St. John's) and 1-0 without Tyrique. See how dumb this exercise is?

[Xville]

4-0

Thanks

[scoscox]

I don't know how many minutes Q played and couldn't see the game.
But if your point guard is 2-10, and 1-4 from the line, that's got to be a concern.
Of greater concern (for a PG) is 1 Assist and 2 Turnovers.

Exactly, it's more than justified to criticize that line from Quentin. Not out of line at all. He's playing much better defense, but that's an atrocious line. He will have a tough time keeping kyky off the court if that continues

[scoscox]

4-0 against the murderer's row of IUPUI, Ohio, Georgetown and Butler. Are you really going to lean on that? Not to mention X had absolutely no business winning the Georgetown and (especially) Butler games - if you want to credit that to Q being out, more power to you.

They were also 2-0 without Naji (including a win over an actual NCAA Tournament team in St. John's) and 1-0 without Tyrique. See how dumb this exercise is?

Georgetown and Butler were two of our biggest wins in the first half of last year.

[GoMuskies]

Didn't we lose to both Georgetown and Butler WITH Q? I'm certainly not in the camp that we're better off without him, but dismissing the teams we beat without him doesn't really work in this case.

[Muskie in dayton]

What was xaviers record when q was.out last year?

Not sure but I know is that those games were much more enjoyable to watch.

[AviatorX]

Georgetown and Butler were two of our biggest wins in the first half of last year.

Yeah, and the first half of last year sucked. Butler didn't even make the NIT and Georgetown lost in the first round. The point is winning those games without Q doesn't mean the team is better without him. The Butler win was a miracle (win probability was under 3% at the last media timeout) - it's moronic to point to that and say "look, Xavier is better when Goodin doesn't play."

I'm trapped at work so I've entertained this for far too long, but the anti-Q stuff from certain posters is just out of control. Btw, Q wasn't good at all tonight!

[AviatorX]

Didn't we lose to both Georgetown and Butler WITH Q? I'm certainly not in the camp that we're better off without him, but dismissing the teams we beat without him doesn't really work in this case.

My only point is it's pretty lame to lean on that 4-0 stat for Xville's purpose. I mean that stance also ignores the fact that Q played in every single game during what was unquestionably X's best stretch last season.

[Muskie in dayton]

My only point is it's pretty lame to lean on that 4-0 stat for Xville's purpose. I mean that stance also ignores the fact that Q played in every single game during what was unquestionably X's best stretch last season.

Based on the 4-0 record, one could make the case that was X’s best stretch last season.

[Strange Brew]

Because we're going to beat this team by 100. Get the freshman the ball.

If we don’t score 100 we suck!

Except now.

When we want to be really good down the road.. That said great opener to make it 19 straight and roll with it.

[IM4X]

Schrand plays pretty good defense. He is very disciplined and assignment strong. I think it is a bit of a message from Travis - play defense ifyou want minutes. Plus it's a reward for hardwork. The question will be, how long does this continue as the level of competition increases.

I think you are on the money about Schrand. I kind of like that approach by Steele. Plus, the kid played pretty well. It isn’t like he was a huge liability like most who players who were walk ons at on point. He even had a steal. Personally, I didn’t have a problem with him getting some playing time as long as he is never becomes a big liability. I’d imagine KyKy will absorb most of his minutes once he is good to go.

On that note.... I sure hope KyKy can shoot the 3 well this year. Goodness to we need that from him.

[AviatorX]

Based on the 4-0 record, one could make the case that was X’s best stretch last season.

Sure, but that would be a pretty weak case.

"Stretch" A:

November 6th win over IUPUI (no postseason), December 5th win over Ohio (no postseason), January 9th win over GTown (NIT first round), January 13th win over Butler (NIT first round, I was mistaken earlier) - all at home

Stretch B:

Winning 6 of 7 consecutive Big East games stretching February to March (including road wins over two NCAA Tournament teams and four wins over NCAA Tournament teams in total)

You tell me which is better.

[stammina0721]

My God shut up complainers. It's a win. Every year teams need to feel out new players and take 2 months to get their compositions right. Stop complaining about Q. He was also the PG on a 1 seed so what are your points? He will be fine and this team will be fine. Give them time to grow as a unit

[stammina0721]

How would you feel being Florida sqeaking out a 5 pt win vs Fordham?

[IM4X]

My God shut up complainers. It's a win. Every year teams need to feel out new players and take 2 months to get their compositions right. Stop complaining about Q. He was also the PG on a 1 seed so what are your points? He will be fine and this team will be fine. Give them time to grow as a unit

Of course it would be nice to have blown this team out - and I think they would have if Steele didn’t go and play so many different players - but honestly, I prefer the strategy of taking this opportunity to test out different lineups and throw a bunch of new players in the first real game to see how they would respond. He wants to know what he is working with - who can be counted on to step up in a real game situation right now and contribute and who isn’t quite there yet.

[xu82]

How would you feel being Florida sqeaking out a 5 pt win vs Fordham?

I read Wisconsin lost to (sometimes good) St Mary’s. It happens every year.

[xu82]

Of course it would be nice to have blown this team out - and I think they would have if Steele didn’t go and play so many different players - but honestly, I prefer the strategy of taking this opportunity to test out different lineups and throw a bunch of new players in the first real game to see how they would respond. He wants to know what he is working with - who can be counted on to step up in a real game situation right now and contribute and who isn’t quite there yet.

Yep. I have zero problem with how Steele played this. Some things on the court I didn’t love, but that will come with time. We may not shoot great this year, but we’ll do a lot of things right and in time he’ll get the guys to make it work.

[XUGRAD80]

In past years the complainers would complain that the former coach never put the freshman in. They would insist that he needed to do so because they needed to get some actual playing time, and what better time to do this than when the team is up 25-30 points. So Steele does this against an overmatched opponent, and the complainers are now complaining because those freshman (and other backups including walk-ons and non-scholarship players) didn’t keep the big lead and the team didn’t play well with those players in.

I guess some people are just going to find something to complain or worry about. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Here’s a few stats to brighten their morning.......even with going 4-17 from 3, X still shot overall 48% from the floor. There were a lot of games last year where X never got close to shooting 48%. X sinks 2 more 3 pointers and they are shooting 35% from 3.....most would take that all year long.

It was opening night....relax.

[Xuperman]

As I have said numerous times, the offense would look ten times better if q never played and paul ran the offense.

Clear favorite to win the 1st annual ASSY award for stupiest post. The fact that you've said it numerous times only enhances your front runner status. Q is the LEADER of this team. Just imagine the catastrophic effects a Q benching, of any kind, would create in the locker room! Especially among the core 4. The season would have to be completely lost for that to happen. (see Andy Dalton).

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

In past years the complainers would complain that the former coach never put the freshman in. They would insist that he needed to do so because they needed to get some actual playing time, and what better time to do this than when the team is up 25-30 points. So Steele does this against an overmatched opponent, and the complainers are now complaining because those freshman (and other backups including walk-ons and non-scholarship players) didn’t keep the big lead and the team didn’t play well with those players in.

I guess some people are just going to find something to complain or worry about. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Here’s a few stats to brighten their morning.......even with going 4-17 from 3, X still shot overall 48% from the floor. There were a lot of games last year where X never got close to shooting 48%. X sinks 2 more 3 pointers and they are shooting 35% from 3.....most would take that all year long.

It was opening night....relax.

Yes. It was the first game.

let's dial back, a little, our early season expectations. We only have four guys that logged many minutes last year. And, as an earlier poster noted, this is a very athletic team but shooting isn't their strength. I like the defense even while I acknowledge the effort game against a very weak team. And, the newcomers are fun to watch but they need time and experience to grow into their roles.

X will struggle from the three point line---I don't see that changing even as I think they will improve over the season. But, they must fix free throws--that must happen--especially Q. Speaking of Q, I was at the game and while I acknowledge his stats aren't pretty, watching him last night, he didn't seem to be playing that badly. We are NOT turning the offense over to a freshman point guard. I'm excited to see Tandy when he is ready but he is not the second coming for this team. We need Q and I believe he will be O.K. Right now, however, I'm struggling with this team's early season ranking.

Let's give them some time before we push panic.

[GoMuskies]

I read Wisconsin lost to (sometimes good) St Mary’s. It happens every year.

St. Mary's is in the top 25.

[bleedXblue]

Its early.........we have a LONG, LONG way to go. We can only assume (and hope) that this team will shoot a very similar percentage to what we shot last year from 3 and the FT line. With improved defense and a deeper bench, I think that should be worth another 2-3 wins. I'm not expecting more quite honestly. Add to that, the BE is going to be a dog fight. Getting to 20 wins is not going to be easy......

[bleedXblue]

st. Mary's is in the top 25.

lol

[XU_Lou]

My God shut up complainers. It's a win. Every year teams need to feel out new players and take 2 months to get their compositions right. Stop complaining about Q. He was also the PG on a 1 seed so what are your points? He will be fine and this team will be fine. Give them time to grow as a unit

Amen, and ditto....

[Michigan Muskie]

When the NCAA moved the 3-point line back to 20 feet 9" in 2009, SHOCKINGLY, the players struggled initially. Nationally, the collective 3-pt. shooting percentage dropped to its lowest point in 9 years.

This season, the NCAA rules committee again decided to move back the 3-point line, now beyond 22 feet and SHOCKINGLY, players are struggling initially.

Last night, the #1 team in the nation went 5 of 26 from beyond the three point line. For those scoring at home, that's 19%. (And Kentucky, the #2 team in the nation, sunk 6 of 18 from deep.) So Michigan State and Kentucky, the top two teams in the country shot a combined 11 for 44 from beyond the new three point line: 25%.

Point being: Relax about the MiG.

Don't get wrapped up in the stats without context (Schrand contributed an 0-2 night to the 3-pt. shooting) and consider the highly-probable possibility that the team's shooting will improve.

Also, despite a 17% performance from deep, X managed to shoot 48.3% overall. They went 25 for 37 inside the arc (68%) imposing their will easily (as they should against JU.) X could have fed the ball to Tyrique all night long and won by 30+ but Steele limited him to 21 minutes. Seems to me like a pretty wise move to preserve the most important pieces to a long season.

My take on the start to this season is wildly different than those in panic mode. The defense is absolutely smothering and X will score a lot of points in transition. I think we're in for something very special.

[GoMuskies]

Now that we've had our first episode of the Sky is Falling vs. The Sunshine Pumpers, college basketball's arrival is official!

[Xville]

Siena should put up a better test, so I will be interested to see how x looks against them.

Missouri state lost to a little rock last night...yikes. mo state is supposedly one of the teams projected to win the valley this year.

[JTG]

Freemantle reminds me a bit of JP. I can see him becoming a pain in the ass to opponents after 7 or 8 more games.

[XU 87]

Ok but that's not on the coach..execution is on the players. As I have said numerous times, the offense would look ten times better if q never played and paul ran the offense. The offense looked the best last year when q was out and paul had the ball in his hands.

Sigh.

Last year it was, "This team is better without Naji."

Is this year going to be, "This team is better without Q."?

[X-man]

Freemantle reminds me a bit of JP. I can see him becoming a pain in the ass to opponents after 7 or 8 more games.

Me too. I have been saying that Freemantle would be our next JP ever since he committed. The old guys behind me at Cintas always have really insightful analysis of our team. Their prediction for Freemantle...an absolute beast by next year.

[atljar]

I thought Freemantle played well.

Couldnt agree more. I said to the Mrs that he looked more polished for a Frosh than what I have seen come through in a long time. Maybe since Dez Wells freshman year?


Overall, this is the first time Ive seen these guys play. Im significantly more positive about them then what I was on last years group. We will be ok

[X-man]

Anyone have an idea why Miles didn't play last night? He WAS on the bench.

[AviatorX]

Sigh.

Last year it was, "This team is better without Naji."

Is this year going to be, "This team is better without Q."?

Never forget the secret suspension Travis handed down to keep Naji out of the Detroit game last year. Definitely wasn't because of his back issues. Was definitely a secret suspension. Really turned the whole season around.

[XU 87]

Anyone have an idea why Miles didn't play last night? He WAS on the bench.

I think they are still deciding whether he should redshirt this year.

[AviatorX]

Now that we've had our first episode of the Sky is Falling vs. The Sunshine Pumpers, college basketball's arrival is official!

I say it every year - but fan message board ridiculousness/dialogue at Xavier has always been high major, even before the team was.

[GoMuskies]

I say it every year - but fan message board ridiculousness/dialogue at Xavier has always been high major, even before the team was.

Having grown up on Kentucky and Louisville (with some IU thrown in for good measure), I have to say that I find us extremely mid-major in this regard!

[AviatorX]

Having grown up on Kentucky and Louisville (with some IU thrown in for good measure), I have to say that I find us extremely mid-major in this regard!

Those are elite message boards the rest of college basketball has no hope to ever match. I mean there are hundreds of posts on IU boards analyzing how Romeo Langford being sent to the G-league for a rehab stint will impact Archie's 2029 class and if he should even take the top 10 guy who lives 0.2 miles across the Indiana/Kentucky border or whether he "just won't get it."

[GoMuskies]

We're high major but not elite!

[IM4X]

By far, my favorite player last night was Tyrique... not just because he had 17 points and 11 rebounds in only 21 minutes, but you could see he was both very focused and playfully loose the entire game.

Felt the other 3 core 4 players were focused and feeling it at times and at other times they were forcing shots.

I also think this entire team can shoot better from 3 and from the line if they don’t rush their release. And Naji needs to make sure he’s not too far out. Feel Scruggs and Moore have the ability to be quite good 3 point shooters.

I really liked how Naji shared the ball a little more later in the game and how that opened up things.

I would like to see Miles play. Screw his redshirt. I think even if he got 7 minutes a game it would help him get better and his length and athleticism could really help X be much more disruptive in the post - the way Hankins was.

[drudy23]

Does anyone have insight into the factors they consider when deciding on a redshirt? Is it simply the ability to play at this level, or is it other factors? What are those other factors?

I agree that he could provide some needed rim protection.

Poor man's Jaxson Hayes? Hopefully he has that upside.

[markchal]

I think a RS makes more sense 10 years ago. These days, how likely is it for a guy to stay at the same program for 5 years? It seems like we have enough trouble keeping guys for 4 sometimes (naji/paul/ed/kaiser). Might as well let him develop in 5-10 min a game.

[bleedXblue]

Does anyone have insight into the factors they consider when deciding on a redshirt? Is it simply the ability to play at this level, or is it other factors? What are those other factors?

I agree that he could provide some needed rim protection.

Poor man's Jaxson Hayes? Hopefully he has that upside.

I think with Miles its clearly seeing he needs to add some muscle and develop more physically.....along with the fact that he isn't going to see a lot of time with Jones, Carter and Freemantle ahead of him.

Poor Ramsey, no one is talking about him......

[XUMIOH12]

I think a RS makes more sense 10 years ago. These days, how likely is it for a guy to stay at the same program for 5 years? It seems like we have enough trouble keeping guys for 4 sometimes (naji/paul/ed/kaiser). Might as well let him develop in 5-10 min a game.

totally agree, a RS makes sense for him, but these days it seems rare to have a guy stick around for 5 seasons. Don't think he'll be able to contribute too much this season, but nowadays seems like you may as well use the players you have when you can, instead of anticipating using him for the 23-24!! season.

[IM4X]

Freemantle and Carter will keep getting better and undoubtably be key contributors this season. Still, there will be games this year (mark it down) where Tyrique will be in foul trouble and X needs another rim protector. Heck, there were even a handful of games last year where taller bigs were scoring over Tyrique -Then Steele subbed in Hankins who was able to shut down those bigs with his height and longer arms and shot blocking ability.

It just feels like the wise move is to go ahead and use Miles as you need him- and he will be needed. Any playing time will build his confidence and it may even prove to be the difference between a victory and a loss.

It may seem like Ramsey is not getting any love, but much of that is simply because he has/had a concussion and has not played (or even practiced) enough to get a read on his ability. I have a gut feeling he will be better than most are thinking. I can honestly say I was thrilled when they landed him and I am eager to see what he can do in a real game.

[American X]

Zach Freemantle is the Nuke LaLoosh of Xavier Basketball:


http://m.quickmeme.com/img/30/30d324f6f75985f1aca51bdc5fce5af8f0d705b16bad44bdab 27378a86b5c4d8.jpg

[sirthought]

Schrand is 6'2" and 165 pounds. Tall enough, just a smaller guy. I thought he played really well overall. His defense was about as good as our other guards. He boxed out on rebounds. He kept the ball moving better than most other players. And he took his open shots.

If Carter is the expected starter and he's limited due to injury, I can see Steele giving the start to Schrand, a fourth year scholarship player who knows the system better than the freshmen. We know he's not taking over a game, but he doesn't need to.

Goodin is still taking too many ill advised shots early in the clock. I just want him to set players up. He did better than some games, but you have to ask why we see bad shots again and again. Not saying he can't score. Saying he needs better acumen. It seemed as if Marshall was the one directing the offense in the second half. That should be interesting to see if that continues.

I suspect that Steele's staff has spent way more time on defense in the preseason due to how slow the team was to really play to a good standard last year. Totally reasonable. And he's probably teaching them offensive sets more slowly because he trusts the returning four to know what they are doing overall. At least I hope that's the case.

I'd really like to see the ball move much faster than it has. We hesitate too often so far.

Yes, the music was nice to hear.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-uSWAJd9GE

[bobbiemcgee]

My takeaways:
The lane was wide open all nite. We could have scored 85+ just driving the lane but That was obviously not the game plan. Jones could have scored 40. They didn't have an offensive rebound until sometime in the second half when the ball just fell into a guy's lap.
I think Steele wanted to emphasize defense (great) except for the 12-0 lapse when we were up 30. He wanted to "Get everyone involved" which he did with playing the "Schrands".
Obviously, we need to work on the 3 ball and FREE THROWS! I think Bryce will be able to turn it up and be our go to. Like his shot. Shoot 3's and ft's decently, we win by 40. All in all, a decent start.

WE CANNOT HAVE FT PROBLEM THIS YEAR THAT KEPT US OUT OF THE DANCE!

[X-man]

I think they are still deciding whether he should redshirt this year.

I suspect you're right. I wish they wouldn't RS him, though. I think he, and we, benefit more having on the court this year than having him just in the weight room and at practice. However I have no coaching experience (other than my son's 5th grade team, where no one red shirts), so I will defer to the XU coaching staff on this one.

[American X]

Brilliant move by Steele, no way teams could gameplan for Leighton Schrand.

Despite a couple gacks, Bishop had a solid night.

I like the cut of Moore's jib.

I expect to see Carter in the starting lineup.

[BandDad]

Sigh.

Last year it was, "This team is better without Naji."

Is this year going to be, "This team is better without Q."?

So by definition then the team would be MUCH better off without Naji or Q, although our Scrabble score would suffer dramatically.

On a serious note, Steele mentioned in his comments after the game that they were trying things they wouldn't have normally done (hedging Freemantle on all screens, even way away from the basket), so that there would be tape to watch and things they could use to make improvements.

Carter clearly struggled last night as well as he has received only a couple days of practice and is somewhat rusty. He will definitely get better.

This team is a good team that should win 20 games but 25+ is probably a stretch with the lack of great shooting. Now I just hope the team goes out and proves me wrong! Go Muskies!

[X-band '01]

Siena should put up a better test, so I will be interested to see how x looks against them.



Both Jacksonville and Siena are open-book tests.

[scoscox]

Brilliant move by Steele, no way teams could gameplan for Leighton Schrand.

Despite a couple gacks, Bishop had a solid night.

I like the cut of Moore's jib.

I expect to see Carter in the starting lineup.

Bishop has been quietly killing our shooting percentages. Still hasn't made a free throw and struggling from 3. I chalk it up to nerves. Other than that he looks really good

[XU 87]

Bishop has been quietly killing our shooting percentages. Still hasn't made a free throw and struggling from 3. I chalk it up to nerves. Other than that he looks really good

He looks very athletic, but he has really struggled with shooting, even when I watched him at practice one day.

[stammina0721]

When the NCAA moved the 3-point line back to 20 feet 9" in 2009, SHOCKINGLY, the players struggled initially. Nationally, the collective 3-pt. shooting percentage dropped to its lowest point in 9 years.

This season, the NCAA rules committee again decided to move back the 3-point line, now beyond 22 feet and SHOCKINGLY, players are struggling initially.

Last night, the #1 team in the nation went 5 of 26 from beyond the three point line. For those scoring at home, that's 19%. (And Kentucky, the #2 team in the nation, sunk 6 of 18 from deep.) So Michigan State and Kentucky, the top two teams in the country shot a combined 11 for 44 from beyond the new three point line: 25%.

Point being: Relax about the MiG.

Don't get wrapped up in the stats without context (Schrand contributed an 0-2 night to the 3-pt. shooting) and consider the highly-probable possibility that the team's shooting will improve.

Also, despite a 17% performance from deep, X managed to shoot 48.3% overall. They went 25 for 37 inside the arc (68%) imposing their will easily (as they should against JU.) X could have fed the ball to Tyrique all night long and won by 30+ but Steele limited him to 21 minutes. Seems to me like a pretty wise move to preserve the most important pieces to a long season.

My take on the start to this season is wildly different than those in panic mode. The defense is absolutely smothering and X will score a lot of points in transition. I think we're in for something very special.

I don't want this to sound the wrong way because I don't want to sound like I'm bashing a kid... But I think we all know when this team is playing relevant games in Feb and Mar that Schrand won't be starting. Our non conference schedule is weak and starting him is Steele's way of making points to the younger guys. When the games start getting tougher it will be a transfer or Kyky who is in that starting spot

[scoscox]

He looks very athletic, but he has really struggled with shooting, even when I watched him at practice one day.

I don't think he's gonna be a sniper necessarily, I think his strength is slashing, but I also don't expect him to shoot 0% from the line all year

[scoscox]

I don't want this to sound the wrong way because I don't want to sound like I'm bashing a kid... But I think we all know when this team is playing relevant games in Feb and Mar that Schrand won't be starting. Our non conference schedule is weak and starting him is Steele's way of making points to the younger guys. When the games start getting tougher it will be a transfer or Kyky who is in that starting spot

Even Travis basically said it's because Carter has been out for so long, as well as Kyky, and he doesn't trust the freshmen or Moore enough yet.

[Lamont Sanford]

Great seeing Snipe and the man, the myth, the legend...Fred Garvin in their customary standing spots about 208 at Tuesday's game. Now I know it's finally Xavier basketball season.

God bless Snipe and Fred Garvin!

[xukeith]

X teams fo peak in March.

Schrand is a smart and hard working player. He won't screw anything up as a senior with 3 years of practices known inside and out. The frosh will not be fruitful until maybe, January The game will slow down for some and practices will improve. None of the frosh are elite top NBA prospects but Steele and staff realise KyKy and Bishop and Freemantle will greatly improve and be huge assets.

Biggest test of the year is upcoming Missouri with top 200 level talent( more talented players with perhaps better coaching style) compared to Siena and Jacksonville.
I like the barking and am happy as long as X goes undefeated at home. I won't complain.

[Roadlife]

X teams fo peak in March.

Schrand is a smart and hard working player. He won't screw anything up as a senior with 3 years of practices known inside and out. The frosh will not be fruitful until maybe, January The game will slow down for some and practices will improve. None of the frosh are elite top NBA prospects but Steele and staff realise KyKy and Bishop and Freemantle will greatly improve and be huge assets.

Biggest test of the year is upcoming Missouri with top 200 level talent( more talented players with perhaps better coaching style) compared to Siena and Jacksonville.
I like the barking and am happy as long as X goes undefeated at home. I won't complain.

There is an article about Mr. Schrand on the Athletic site that is very informative.

[IM4X]

I think most of us would agree that this team is not quite as bad at shooting 3s as the Jacksonville game would suggest.

Yet, it is surprising that many on this team continue to pop quick 3s even after Steele has supposedly drilled it into their heads not to do so. What was
even more surprising to me was Naji’s response to a question during the post press conference about the poor 3 point shooting, as if it had nothing to do with poor shot selection or taking quick shots they probability shouldn’t have taken. No, he just mentioned that they will eventually start falling... as if it is simply a percentage game and if they didn’t go in today then that means they’ll go in next game.

I find that a bit concerning- like he and Steele are not on the same page.

It’s a shame because if Naji and Q and some others could get more disciplined about where and when to take a good 3, they might actually get better.

[bleedXblue]

I think most of us would agree that this team is not quite as bad at shooting 3s as the Jacksonville game would suggest.

Yet, it is surprising that many on this team continue to pop quick 3s even after Steele has supposedly drilled it into their heads not to do so. What was
even more surprising to me was Naji’s response to a question during the post press conference about the poor 3 point shooting, as if it had nothing to do with poor shot selection or taking quick shots they probability shouldn’t have taken. No, he just mentioned that they will eventually start falling... as if it is simply a percentage game and if they didn’t go in today then that means they’ll go in next game.

I find that a bit concerning- like he and Steele are not on the same page.

It’s a shame because if Naji and Q and some others could get more disciplined about where and when to take a good 3, they might actually get better.

I think Steele's philosophy with this team is that the ball should ideally get inside the paint first...b/c Jones, Freemantle and Carter should have in most cases an advantage and higher percentage shots in the post. If it goes back out to the perimeter and your open, shoot the 3.

Also we've not seen many well run plays to get guys good open shots.....its early.....and we have some additional help coming with KyKy that should help some.

[drudy23]

I think most people were expecting to see something similar to what we saw in the last 10 games last year. Instead, it looked more like the first 10 games.

Just seemed odd and unexpected.

But I won't complain about a W.

[IM4X]

I think most people were expecting to see something similar to what we saw in the last 10 games last year. Instead, it looked more like the first 10 games.

Just seemed odd and unexpected.

But I won't complain about a W.


Nailed how I am feeling. Except for the defense- it looked pretty good... and Tyrique played really well.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I think Steele's philosophy with this team is that the ball should ideally get inside the paint first...b/c Jones, Freemantle and Carter should have in most cases an advantage and higher percentage shots in the post. If it goes back out to the perimeter and your open, shoot the 3.

Also we've not seen many well run plays to get guys good open shots.....its early.....and we have some additional help coming with KyKy that should help some.

It was pretty clear, early in the Jacksonville game, that X was going to pound inside. To Tyrique's credit, he showed a nice touch early. If only he can start to make free throws!

I remain concerned about the shooting little more today than yesterday. I watched parts of the Butler, Georgetown and St. John's games last night. None of them were playing tough games although Georgetown had to come from way behind in second half. And, don't want to put too much emphasis on those games anymore than on Xavier's early season. But all three teams looked better than I remember them last year. Butler and Georgetown shot pretty well from three range which I took note of given the Muskies struggles. SJU didn't spend much time setting up the offense. They ran the ball, let their athletic prowess dominate Mercer and looked way more enthusiastic under their new coach.

What I love about the Big East is how competitive and evenly matched it is. But, that's also what I hate about the B.E. when evaluating it from Xavier's point of view. There has been a lot made of our returning Core Four and the resumes of the new recruits particularly in early season rankings. But, the rest of the conference hasn't been standing still. I'm optimistic but must admit to being a little worried after the exhibition and the opening game and watching those games last night

Tomorrow night I'm hoping to see three things: better play from Q; better overall shooting (it doesn't need to be perfect, just better) and a continued high level of team defense. If shooting woes continue (not predicting that and praying for improvement) this team will need to be the best defensive team in X history to get through the Big East.

[IM4X]

I think Steele's philosophy with this team is that the ball should ideally get inside the paint first...b/c Jones, Freemantle and Carter should have in most cases an advantage and higher percentage shots in the post. If it goes back out to the perimeter and your open, shoot the 3.

Also we've not seen many well run plays to get guys good open shots.....its early.....and we have some additional help coming with KyKy that should help some.

I am with you on all this but Steele’s philosophy is not sinking in (as he pretty much stated during the post press
conference).

I am excited about Kyky and his potentially solid 3 point shooting, but he is not likely going to be at the “Trevon good” level where he’s going to show up and drop 5 -10 3s a game and save the day.

The truth is Scruggs has a beautiful stroke and could be a legitimate 38-40% 3 point shooter this year. He has the potential to be that good. He was shooting over 40% for a long stretch last year- and it didn’t seem at all like a fluke.

If his teammates can feed him often and he sticks to shooting when he feels in rhythm and not when he feels rushed...and he picks spots on the court he likes shooting from then he will be pretty special. If he and Tandy take 50% of the 3s and shoot above 35% and everyone else can shoot a collective 30% (together with continued solid defense) then this team could go pretty far.

Oh, wait... hold that thought... and if they can improve their shooting from the line - very crucial. How they do at the line will decide at least a few games this regular season... and it will help decide how far they go in the NCAA tournament.

Turning into a lot of “ifs.”

Still very doable IMO... with serious focus and discipline.

[bleedXblue]

Better shooting is on its way.....CJ Wilcher can stroke it....Colby Jones is a big athletic SG too. Hopefully we add a JUCO or transfer shooter as well. I'm not expecting this team to shoot much better than last year. If we can get to that level (and I think we will), it'll be ok.

[IM4X]

CJ is a legit 3 point specialist.

Adding Colby and Odom (to Kyky and Bishop) will give X one of the quickest and most athletic teams in the country, but Only CJ and Kyky are looking to be beyond average from 3. So yeah, I think you are spot on - X needs another 3 point shooter for next year.