WEEK 2: Other Big East Games 2019-2020

[sirthought]

Week 2 competition really kicks up a notch with the Big East/Big Ten challenge. Discuss results here.

11/11/2019____

Depaul at Iowa

11/12/2019____

Creighton at Michigan

New Hampshire at SJU

Minnesota at Butler

11/13/2019____

Villanova at OSU

Providence at Northwestern

Purdue at Marquette

11/14/2019____

Penn State at Georgetown

Michigan St at Seton Hall

11/16/2019____

Ohio at Villanova

Cornell at DePaul

St. Peters at Providence

Vermont at SJU

Louisiana Tech at Creighton

Wofford at Butler

[sirthought]

11/11/2019____

Depaul at Iowa
Iowa is predicted to win by most. The two teams aren't that far apart statistically in many ways. Tighten up the defense and they might have a chance to upset.

[GoMuskies]

Feeling a 4-4 Gavitt Games coming

[Masterofreality]

Feeling a 4-4 Gavitt Games coming

Isn't what they try to set that up to be?

[GoMuskies]

Isn't what they try to set that up to be?

No idea, but I'd take 4-4 and run right now if offered.

[scoscox]

11/11/2019____

Depaul at Iowa

11/12/2019____

Creighton at Michigan

Minnesota at Butler

11/13/2019____

Villanova at OSU

Providence at Northwestern

Purdue at Marquette

11/14/2019____

Penn State at Georgetown

Michigan St at Seton Hall

11/16/2019____



I think Depaul has a good shot to upset Iowa. I'd be comfortable picking them. After that it gets dicey. I'll take Creighton against Michigan and Butler over Minnesota. I'll take Nova over OSU, but Holtmann has a good track record against Nova. Wouldn't be surprised by an upset. Providence should slaughter Northwestern. Marquette and Purdue might be the best game. I'm gonna go with Purdue. Penn State and Georgetown should be bad basketball and I'm gonna take Penn State and Michigan State should cruise past Seton Hall without Powell.

5-3 Big East

[GoMuskies]

I'm very confident that if Penn State wins at Georgetown and Purdue wins at Marquette that the Big East will come out of this with a losing record. To me, those are two must wins to get to 4-4.

[scoscox]

I'm very confident that if Penn State wins at Georgetown and Purdue wins at Marquette that the Big East will come out of this with a losing record. To me, those are two must wins to get to 4-4.

I have no faith in Georgetown to win that game and I'm on the fence about Marquette. That's a toss up game.

Who do you think loses that I had winning?

[GoMuskies]

I expect Creighton, DePaul and Seton Hall to lose. I like the other five BE squads to win, but I think we drop one of them (Villanova is my prime suspect).

[scoscox]

I expect Creighton, DePaul and Seton Hall to lose. I like the other five BE squads to win, but I think we drop one of them (Villanova is my prime suspect).

Why so confident in Georgetown and Marquette?

Creighton and Michigan might be one of the best games. Michigan has struggled a little bit.

[GoMuskies]

I think Georgetown has a good team this year, and they're tough to beat at home. We tend to struggle there. And I don't have much faith in Penn State.

Also, I don't expect great things out of Purdue, and Howard is a beast.

[scoscox]

I think Georgetown has a good team this year, and they're tough to beat at home. We tend to struggle there. And I don't have much faith in Penn State.

Also, I don't expect great things out of Purdue, and Howard is a beast.

You still think that after watching their first few games? I mean they've looked horrific

[GoMuskies]

So has Xavier, kinda. And I still expect us to handle Mizzou. I think Gtown will be fine. And it's not like I'm counting on them beating a good team.

[Lloyd Braun]

*gulp* I kind of like DePaul tonight.

[scoscox]

So has Xavier, kinda. And I still expect us to handle Mizzou. I think Gtown will be fine. And it's not like I'm counting on them beating a good team.

Oh man, I don't expect us to handle mizzou at all. that's gonna be a very tough game. and you're not counting on georgetown beating a good team, but they barely beat two of the worst teams in D1. Penn State is 44th in KP right now. 19 spots higher than Georgetown. i don't pay for kenpom, but i wouldn't be surprised if they were favored.

[scoscox]

*gulp* I kind of like DePaul tonight.

Same. At the very least, they should be very competitive.

[GoMuskies]

Gotta like a 16-2 start.

[Lloyd Braun]

Gotta like a 16-2 start.

Gotta like the 35-13 start if you liked DePaul tonight... and by liked I mean illogically placing money on DePaul +9.5

[scoscox]

Depaul is so much more athletic than Iowa

[Masterofreality]

Nice win by DePaul, but damn classless.
That damn gratuitous dunk in the last 9 seconds when a “Classy” team would have just dribbled the clock out. (Large Eye Roll)

[Masterofreality]

Nice win by DePaul, but damn classless.
That damn gratuitous dunk in the last 9 seconds when a “Classy” team would have just dribbled the clock out. (Large Eye Roll)

[GoMuskies]

nice win by depaul, but damn classless.
That damn gratuitous dunk in the last 9 seconds when a “classy” team would have just dribbled the clock out. (large eye roll)

wwjpd

[Lloyd Braun]

If X loses tomorrow I blame DePaul due to the law of averages.... big win tonight for the Blue Demons! And big payday for those X fans that happened to bet on DePaul.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Nice win by DePaul, but damn classless.
That damn gratuitous dunk in the last 9 seconds when a “Classy” team would have just dribbled the clock out. (Large Eye Roll)

When did everyone become such pussies?

[Masterofreality]

When did everyone become such pussies?

Obviously you are unable to decipher a sarcasm font when you see it.
Just decode Go Muskies response. - WWJPD

[GoMuskies]

22-1. Dammit Creighton!

[sirthought]

11/11/2019____

Depaul beats Iowa. Shot the long ball really well and out rebounded the Hawkeyes.

11/12/2019____

Creighton loses at Michigan. Jays out rebounded the Wolverines, yet they only have one free throw attempt? What?

New Hampshire loses at SJU Red Storm did not shoot great overall, but rebounding and second chances wins the day.

Minnesota loses at Butler Bulldogs grit out another one, as Baldwin scores 27.


Big East is 22-1. .957 W-L% (1st of 32)


Of the 10 schools, XU is last in offensive rating and seventh in defensive rating .his means little now, but could be a thing later if they stay cold.

[GoMuskies]

Given that we're 8 days into the season, none of this matters too much at this stage...but according to early returns it's a good thing the Gavitt Games have arrived. Despite the combined 22-1 record of Big East teams, Sagarin rates the Big East as the 5th best conference this year. Why? Here are the current SOS rankings for the 10 Big East teams:

326
319
247 (Xavier)
310
329
272
279
200
335
341

All ten teams currently rank in the top 100 (from Villanova at #9 to St. John's at #94).

How much are last year's ratings still influencing current rankings? Sagarin never says exactly, but despite being 2-0 with a win at Rupp Arena, Evansville is ranked #98 (Kentucky is #3 still), so clearly there is still quite a bit of prior year action in the ratings.

[xukeith]

Given that we're 8 days into the season, none of this matters too much at this stage...but according to early returns it's a good thing the Gavitt Games have arrived. Despite the combined 22-1 record of Big East teams, Sagarin rates the Big East as the 5th best conference this year. Why? Here are the current SOS rankings for the 10 Big East teams:

326
319
247 (Xavier)
310
329
272
279
200
335
341

All ten teams currently rank in the top 100 (from Villanova at #9 to St. John's at #94).

How much are last year's ratings still influencing current rankings? Sagarin never says exactly, but despite being 2-0 with a win at Rupp Arena, Evansville is ranked #98 (Kentucky is #3 still), so clearly there is still quite a bit of prior year action in the ratings.

Okay. The big question of debate: Do we examine, Sagarin, RPI, or Kenpom for our analysis of quality wins and SOS? I know the NCAA will release their NET ratings sometime in December. I don't know if any internet geek has a replica of the NET ratings. I do like Kenpom. Lots of numbers and analysis but I think all the sites won't provide realistic data until mid January. Need to account for outliers and SOS.

[GoMuskies]

KenPom and Sagarin are both good sources for that from my perspective. RPI is meaningless IMO.

[sirthought]

As the season moves along I find that Bart Torvik's page, with the T-Rank, is pretty insightful. It's very much the same data as Kenpom, but free. And he explains where his number crunch differs and why.

http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Xavier

[GoMuskies]

3 huge games tonight. Providence should win, but the other two are essentially toss-ups. With 2 wins tonight, the Big East clinches at least a tie.

[xukeith]

Its still early BUT Villanova is down 27-7 to Ohio State. Man, they look awful. Best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores.

[XUGRAD80]

Y’all think X is struggling on offense? Nova is at 12 points with 5 1/2 minutes left in the 1st half against OSU.

40-22 at half

[scoscox]

Y’all think X is struggling on offense? Nova is at 12 points with 5 1/2 minutes left in the 1st half against OSU.

40-22 at half

and, unlike us, their defense has been less than stifling

[scoscox]

uconn is getting murdered by st joe's

[sirthought]

and, unlike us, their defense has been less than stifling

During the OSU/UC game I thought it was more that UC just wasn't getting their shots to fall, but after this half with Villanova, I'd have to wonder what OSU is doing to make it happen. UC had no problems scoring in their next game.

[xukeith]

During the OSU/UC game I thought it was more that UC just wasn't getting their shots to fall, but after this half with Villanova, I'd have to wonder what OSU is doing to make it happen. UC had no problems scoring in their next game.

Talent, experience, and coaching combinations. Oh and some home court advantage.

[scoscox]

i remember when people on this board were worried because we snuck out an overtime win over missouri and then kentucky lost to evansville and villanova lost to ohio state by 40. seems like just yesterday...

[bleedXblue]

Y’all think X is struggling on offense? Nova is at 12 points with 5 1/2 minutes left in the 1st half against OSU.

40-22 at half

Both can struggle simultaneously .... I thought I was watching X heaving up 3 pointer after 3 pointer without the ball even sniffing the paint

[GoMuskies]

The Big East is taking a complete dump tonight.

[Masterofreality]

The Big East is taking a complete dump tonight.

Yeah, after DePaul's surprising win, I thought the league would make a statement, but whoa.
At least Marquette is making a run now tho

[GoMuskies]

Providence woke up, too. So maybe.

[scoscox]

Providence woke up, too. So maybe.

Classic providence shit tonight. Nobody does less with more than Ed Cooley.

[GoMuskies]

At least Marquette broke one off in the Boilers in the second half.

[sirthought]

11/13/2019____

Villanova lost at OSU.

Providence lost at Northwestern

Purdue lost at Marquette





Gotta love college basketball

[scoscox]

At least Marquette broke one off in the Boilers in the second half.

ended on a 45-17 run or something like that. absurd

[IM4X]

Was catching the last 10 minutes of the Providence game when I heard a crazy stat: Providence Was 4 for 17.... with their layups. Ouch!

Providence really struggled with their shooting. They didn’t look that good at all. I guess Providence fans would probably say the same about X if they were watching the Missouri game.

Thought Ed Cooley didn’t coach all that well, particularly during the last 7 minutes. His team had multiple stops and chances to cut into the 5 point lead Northwestern had and Cooley just let his players shoot quick, wild 3 after wild 3. Guess we aren’t the only team launching those bad threes.

[scoscox]

Thought Ed Cooley didn’t coach all that well, particularly during the last 7 minutes.

Say it ain't so!? That would be so out of character!

[XUGRAD80]

Villanova has laid an egg in November each of the last 3 years, but it only seems to be a small bump in the road and not an indication of how the season will ultimately play out.

[xukeith]

Ok, tonight is the last night of Big 10 challenges

I see BE tonight to split.
Overall Marquette, DePaul, Butler won.
We need 1 win tonight.

2 wins will be amazing.

[Xville]

Villanova has laid an egg in November each of the last 3 years, but it only seems to be a small bump in the road and not an indication of how the season will ultimately play out.

Two freshmen and a soph in their starting lineup. Assuming they progress as they should, villanova will be a damn good team by february/march.

[sirthought]

11/14/2019____

Penn State at Georgetown

Michigan St at Seton Hall


Myles Powell is a game time decision. Could be a huge game either way if the Pirates can play tough.

[sirthought]

Not sure I'm crazy about the Hall's new court look.

https://twitter.com/Keith_egan10/status/1195097658685304832/photo/1

[X-band '01]

Villanova has laid an egg in November each of the last 3 years, but it only seems to be a small bump in the road and not an indication of how the season will ultimately play out.

Nova laid back-to-back eggs against Furman and Michigan last year.

[bobbiemcgee]

Myron Jones 14 pts. in first 5 minutes for PS vs Hoyas

[XUGRAD80]

Penn St up 16 in the 2nd half 66-50. GT isn’t impressing me as either a good defensive team or a team that runs a good offense. A lot of 1 on 1. Still 11 minutes left though.

[scoscox]

Penn St up 16 in the 2nd half 66-50. GT isn’t impressing me as either a good defensive team or a team that runs a good offense. A lot of 1 on 1. Still 11 minutes left though.

The Patrick Ewing experience is taking an ugly turn in his second year

[muskiefan82]

I guess the Myles Powell ankle is just fine

[scoscox]

I guess the Myles Powell ankle is just fine

you can tell he's not back to 100% though. not having a good game

[XUGRAD80]

SH is impressing me so far, and I was certainly not on their bandwagon coming into the season. But they are playing Mich. St. Very tough and have a real chance of winning this game.

[Xville]

Myles powell is a bad man

[IM4X]

Myles powell is a bad man

I would absolutely have him as BE MVP at this point.

Just amazing!!!

[IM4X]

Two thinks I believe after watching the SH / MSU game:

1. Seton Hall is legit

2. After watching Gill play for Seton Hall today- proving tall skinny bigs can still be very productive (especially with big blocks) in key games, I am hoping Steele is watching this game and rethinking Miles and his redshirt. I can almost guarantee that kid will help this X team in some games.

[Xville]

Refs swallowed their whistles last few possessions...fun game but man wish Seton hall had grabbed that one.

[Lloyd Braun]

I could see the no call on Powell but possession before was an absolute mauling. Very unfortunate for SH

[scoscox]

I could see the no call on Powell but possession before was an absolute mauling. Very unfortunate for SH

agreed, powell was out of control, but mamu got hammered. gotta call that.

[X-band '01]

The Patrick Ewing experience is taking an ugly turn in his second year

It got better in Year 2 (last year) but Year 3's early returns are not positive.

[sirthought]

Man, I thought Powell got fouled on that second to last attempt. Two defenders challenging there and knocking him down. Seems like he should have gotten to the line.

[scoscox]

It got better in Year 2 (last year) but Year 3's early returns are not positive.

lol it's all blurring together

[scoscox]

Man, I thought Powell got fouled on that second to last attempt. Two defenders challenging there and knocking him down. Seems like he should have gotten to the line.

yea, both of those (mamu and powell) would get called at any other stage of the game and probably at the end of the game most of the time. ref just swallowed the whistle. unlucky

[xudash]

Saint Johns soil’s themselves against Vermont.

[sirthought]

11/16/2019____Sat

Ohio lost at Villanova

Cornell lost at DePaul

St. Peters lost at Providence

Vermont won at SJU by a bucket. Basically, the Red Storm can't score, even with 35 FT attempts.

Louisiana Tech lost at Creighton. Mitch Ballock scores 22 big points, 6 RB, 3 Ast.

Wofford at Butler

[X-man]

Saint Johns soil’s themselves against Vermont.

UVM, my alma mater BTW, is a good team with one of the top small forwards (Anthony Lamb) in the nation. They will win their league again this year. No shame in losing a tight one to that team.

[X-band '01]

UVM, my alma mater BTW, is a good team with one of the top small forwards (Anthony Lamb) in the nation. They will win their league again this year. No shame in losing a tight one to that team.

No shame for St. John's to lose to them, but other Big East teams would not be happy losing to them.

[GoMuskies]

Not a big Vermont fan, because when I think of Vermont I think of Brennan. And that guy is an obnoxious cheeseball.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hoping my Billikens can knock off Seton Hall today.

[GoMuskies]

Hoping my Billikens can knock off Seton Hall today.

The spread was surprisingly small. Bodies well for SLU.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The spread was surprisingly small. Bodies well for SLU.

I caught some of a couple of SLU's games this year and I was surprised how good they looked offensively. They have some good players back form last years tourney team but lost 2 of their best 4 players. They have a freshman PG who is averaging over 8 assists a game though.

Havent played anyone near Seton Hall's caliber though. We shall see. Should be a sellout though, despite being not very good usually they get good attendance.

[scoscox]

Hoping my Billikens can knock off Seton Hall today.

not a good start so far. i was skeptical of seton hall, but they've looked pretty legit this year so far

[D-West & PO-Z]

not a good start so far. i was skeptical of seton hall, but they've looked pretty legit this year so far

yeah, not ideal.

[scoscox]

yeah, not ideal.

great crowd though the atmosphere is awesome

[xukeith]

Future BE and Charleston participant, UConn beat Florida at home today by 3.

Get the Gator fans off the ledge. You think people freak out about X's shortcomings here?!

[GoMuskies]

HoyaTalk has to be melting down right about now.

[X-band '01]

Casual Hoya is also must-read for Georgetown games like this, win or lose.