Game Thread: Xavier v. Indianapolis (October 30, 2019) Exhibition

[Muskie]

There is apparently no broadcast of this game tonight, so while everyone else is in warm-up, so are we. Post thoughts or questions about the game here.

[xukeith]

There is apparently no broadcast of this game tonight, so while everyone else is in warm-up, so are we. Post thoughts or questions about the game here.
I am in the middle of working but I read yesterday that X will be broadcasting an audio feed somewhere.
I guess I will either follow Shannon on Twitter or I will be here.

[xukeith]

Leighton Schrand is starting. Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

[X-band '01]

UIndy actually won at Loyola by 5 last night.

[sirthought]

I'm glad this game doesn't count for the record books.

20% from 3 so far. FIVE turnovers already. sheez

[bobbiemcgee]

22-22

11% from 3. 14% ft

[bobbiemcgee]

27-26 X half. Need to get this offense rolling. Defense is good.

[noteggs]

Half stats

https://goxavier.com/sidearmstats/mbball/summary;team=home

[xukeith]

Halftime. Xavier has 5 kills. X is testing the odds of when getting 7 kills results in a win 98% of the time.
2 more kills and a close game is pushing the envelope. Maybe a 2% night.....

[bobbiemcgee]

Love the kills but where is the offense? C'mon attack attack!!!

[Muskie]

Love the kills but where is the offense? C'mon attack attack!!!

Woof woof woof!

Am I doing that right?


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[xukeith]

Any Missouri or UC scouts at the game taking notes?

[GoMuskies]

Looks like Tyrique is playing well. (Trying to look on the bright side!)

[xukeith]

DONTARIUS JAMES is in and rebounding! Go DJ!!

[drudy23]

I don't know if I can take watching Q shoot 25% from 3 again this year.

[xukeith]

I don't know if I can take watching Q shoot 25% from 3 again this year.

He is hauling more 3's. He is playing good defense.

[xukeith]

looking at the shot chart, X can't get inside the lane. Tyrique is 5/5. Goodin leads with 5 assists .

[coasterville95]

49-41 X at the under 8.


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[xukeith]

Shooting a lot better in 2nd half. Close to 48% from field.

[xukeith]

Jones with 4 TOs and Scruggs repeatedly not driving(launching 3's) ohh boy! Defense will carry X.

[coasterville95]

56-44 at under 4 starting to pull away.

The gameday app stat tracker looks to be pretty good as well.


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[xukeith]

Mick Cronin leave Cincinnati BUT X picked up his defensive book and will ride it to the NCAA with a defensive tough team.

[xu82]

Mick Cronin leave Cincinnati BUT X picked up his defensive book and will ride it to the NCAA with a defensive tough team.

It sounds like we were also infected by his offense!

[XUGRAD80]

64-52 final

[xukeith]

X outrebounded but healthy Carter will help.

[whopper]

foul shots a concern for sure.. the app worked fine but I just downloaded the streaming radio and did not use it

[xukeith]

Goodin, Jones, Freemantle all shot well % wise. Rest of team threw up bricks. Concerned for Scruggs.

[XUBob]

Quick first impressions.

Defense much better than last year, better ball pressure and running out on three point shooters. Make the free throws and it’s a blowout. Like last year X shooting the three ball will be an adventure. Most of the looks were good and open but X just doesn’t shoot it well. Was glad to see the defensive effort from the end of the year seemed to carry over. I think this team will be fine.

[muskiefan82]

X outrebounded but healthy Carter will help.
To be expected when you throw up that many bricks

[bobbiemcgee]

Schrand 2/4 1/1 1 reb 1 stl - love it.

[sirthought]

So maybe the defense has improved. Hard to say with certainty at this point. But this was an opposing team that should not have tested them so much. The fact that they were behind so much shows that if the defense isn't clicking, the offensive struggles are all the more compounded. It's a start and I know they will improve.

[scoscox]

I don't think we're ready to play faster than we did last year at least at this point and with injuries to key guys. controlled pace helped us a ton last year and reined in some of the bad habits that our guys have. again tonight, the two guys that shot the most 3's were naji and quentin, our worst shooters. that has got to stop.

[Juice]

So maybe the defense has improved. Hard to say with certainty at this point. But this was an opposing team that should not have tested them so much. The fact that they were behind so much shows that if the defense isn't clicking, the offensive struggles are all the more compounded. It's a start and I know they will improve.

They limited them to 20 something points each half. The defense wasn't the problem.

[UCGRAD4X]

Schrand 2/4 1/1 1 reb 1 stl - love it.

How was his defense, his 3pt and, more importantly, how many feet did he jump off of?

[bleedXblue]

We looked just like early last year on offense. No rhythm, no flow. Very few well executed offensive sets. I was hoping with the 4 veterans that we would be ready to go from day one............

[Xville]

I don't think we're ready to play faster than we did last year at least at this point and with injuries to key guys. controlled pace helped us a ton last year and reined in some of the bad habits that our guys have. again tonight, the two guys that shot the most 3's were naji and quentin, our worst shooters. that has got to stop.

This is really disappointing and hope it isnt a trend again this year with q and naji. I'm sure he is already, but Steele really needs to stress to them to use their strengths and outside shooting isnt theirs.

Hopefully, when carter is healthy and tandy can go, that will open up some options.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

We looked just like early last year on offense. No rhythm, no flow. Very few well executed offensive sets. I was hoping with the 4 veterans that we would be ready to go from day one............

Yeah. We need to recall that it took some time for the team to integrate new faces and different styles last year. But, last night, I saw what you saw and so I have tempered my expectations for the early part of the season. As Steele noted, its the first time the team has played in front of a live crowd but they certainly did not look like a top twenty team last night. It will take some time. Some specific observations...…….

I was impressed with Q. I was one who was critical of his shot selection last year but last night he was clearly the best player on the floor for X. He was disciplined with the ball and his shot selection and his form looked good. No jacking up threes and hitting the side of the basket. I hope last night is a precursor for a great senior season. Tyrique looked like the guy we know from last year but, unfortunately, he still cannot make free throws. I am a bit alarmed with the play of Naji and Scruggs although I recognize it is very early. Naji, in my opinion, tried to take over too much and his shot selection was, at best, undisciplined. These guys want to work out the off season kinks and sometimes that means you just go a little schoolyard. But, that will hurt this team over the course of the season. And, Naji having the ball in his hands so much, took Scruggs out of the flow. To be fair, Scruggs got into foul trouble but he just didn't have much of an impact last night.

Bishop clearly has some ball skills and Freemantle will, down the road, be a good player. Posters to other threads have pointed out that Myles needs some muscle and that applies to Freemantle also. Right now, they are all still freshman. I think it was Al Mcquire who said the best thing about freshman is they become sophomores. Bishop and Freemantle will be good but early season impact seems like it will be minimal and that probably doesn't surprise most of us. Didn't get to see Carter and the other freshman which is disappointing given the high expectations for them. But fair to say, I think, it will take a bit of time for them to work in with this team so their play is seamless.

One of the posters to the Midnight Madness thread commented that this team will struggle to shoot. I read that a week or so back and said, to myself, basically, "C'mon, they have another year under their belt. They have to be better and, after all, how hard can it be to improve a jump shot?" Well, based on last night I was wrong. Its an exhibition and yes, very early in the season but X did not shoot well last night. I expected something better than what I saw. Perimeter shooting was wretched----although Q looked O.K. Based solely on last night, if I'm coaching an X opponent, I slow them down to a half court game and play a tight zone, giving them the perimeter. Last night, I didn't see anyone who could stick a three. But, it is early and I expect they will get better----I hope a lot better.

I liked the defensive effort and I suppose most experts would argue defense is ahead of offense so early in the season.

In conclusion, and a surprise to nobody, this is a team with talent but also some work to do. It is going to be a fun team to watch.

[SM#24]

These guys have been shooting their whole lives; I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement but not sure how much there can be, especially the guards/wings.
I understand how the game is played today, and my X education taught me that 3 is 50% more than 2, but here's the math I see from last night:
34 2pt shots = 42 points
26 3pt shots = 18 points
We generated 78% more points per shot on 2s. Similar theme as last year.

If these guys that went through the NBA process (Q, Naji, Scruggs) were told to improve their three point shooting which I'm sure they were, I would suggest they stop shooting so many as they're only making their situation worse...3-15.

I wasn't at the game and didn't see the flow and the context of the shots, and realize some times you can only take what the defense gives you, but 26 3 attempts is way too many for this team.

I don't have the numbers but I would be willing to bet that your defensive efficiency is at its worst after a missed 3.

[GoMuskies]

Schrand 2/4 1/1 1 reb 1 stl - love it.

It's great....unless he's actually going to play a meaningful role on the team this season. In which case it's probably bad.

[bleedXblue]

These guys have been shooting their whole lives; I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement but not sure how much there can be, especially the guards/wings.
I understand how the game is played today, and my X education taught me that 3 is 50% more than 2, but here's the math I see from last night:
34 2pt shots = 42 points
26 3pt shots = 18 points
We generated 78% more points per shot on 2s. Similar theme as last year.

If these guys that went through the NBA process (Q, Naji, Scruggs) were told to improve their three point shooting which I'm sure they were, I would suggest they stop shooting so many as they're only making their situation worse...3-15.

I wasn't at the game and didn't see the flow and the context of the shots, and realize some times you can only take what the defense gives you, but 26 3 attempts is way too many for this team.

I don't have the numbers but I would be willing to bet that your defensive efficiency is at its worst after a missed 3.

The 3's were forced for the most part last night. Didnt come from the normal flow of the offense..........very similar to last year........

Very disappointing

[paulxu]

I don't think this bodes well for us. Last year we were not good at the 3, and like the pros, that is becoming more important.
Moving the line back about a foot and a half, didn't do us any favors (although I think it should be at the pro distance).
Hope we can improve over this game. The defenders should be drawn out a little further and open up the middle. But not if you can only hit 20%.

[JohnW22]

We'll be fine

[xukeith]

I was skeptical of Steele when he announced X could have the best defensive team ever. I do now believe it. If X plays top 25 defense, this team will be in solid shape. Offense was ugly but defense was great. Defense wins championships.

[Muskie]

I don't think this bodes well for us. Last year we were not good at the 3, and like the pros, that is becoming more important.
Moving the line back about a foot and a half, didn't do us any favors (although I think it should be at the pro distance).
Hope we can improve over this game. The defenders should be drawn out a little further and open up the middle. But not if you can only hit 20%.
The outside shooting would help Jones and Company in the paint as well. Jones is doubled in the post he could kick it out. Tandy or Goodin covered outside, quick dump and dunk to Jones. We were incredibly spoiled with Blueitt and Macura (along with others).

[muskienick]

They defeated Loyola (Chicago) the night before the Muskies beat them so they likely are among the better D-II teams in the area. However, there is NO defense needed by a team against free throws (where the Muskies were horrible last night). Any repeat performances from the line like last night's and all the great Defense in the world may not assure a victory. It also seemed to me that we tended, too often, to take low-percentage shots from the perimeter early in the shot clock. Do the players have that little faith in running the offense deeper into the shot clock to get a higher percentage shot? If the players taking the shots were known for their perimeter accuracy, I could see a bit of wisdom in those shots. But that wasn't the case in last night's game.

[bleedXblue]

I was skeptical of Steele when he announced X could have the best defensive team ever. I do now believe it. If X plays top 25 defense, this team will be in solid shape. Offense was ugly but defense was great. Defense wins championships.

we played a DII team....LOL

[GoMuskies]

we played a DII team....LOL

Don't disagree with the sentiment generally....but we lost to Bellarmine in a 2011 season exhibition. That team turned out okay (until the NCAA Tournament game against Marquette!).

[BandDad]

Speaking of defense, I don't know what defense UIndy was running against us (man to man, zone, hybrid) when we were shooting free throws, but it really worked. We need to try that.

[XU 87]

Offensively, they couldn't shoot free throws or threes. That said, I think Schrand played close to half the game. Another walk-on played in the first half. I also thought Naji could score at will, but chose not to so the team could run the half court offense.

Defensively, I thought they looked very good, but I also have to remember who the competition was.

I don't see D. James being in the rotation.

[scoscox]

Offensively, they couldn't shoot free throws or threes. That said, I think Schrand played close to half the game. Another walk-on played in the first half. I also thought Naji could score at will, but chose not to so the team could run the half court offense.

Defensively, I thought they looked very good, but I also have to remember who the competition was.

I don't see D. James being in the rotation.

I wasn't at the game, but Naji shot something like 6-16. that doesn't sound like someone who could've scored at will if he wanted to, but again maybe something is lost in the translation

[XU 87]

I wasn't at the game, but Naji shot something like 6-16. that doesn't sound like someone who could've scored at will if he wanted to, but again maybe something is lost in the translation

Well, if that's the case, maybe next time I should look at the stats first. I'm going on eyeball analysis- when he drove to the basket, he was just too big and athletic for them to stop.

And I see Schrand only played 10 minutes, not half the game as I thought.

[xukeith]

Boy. People are freaking out. Wait until X loses to a BE team. Then call the emergency room doctor. Can you imagine how people will react if X beats Connecticut BUT shoots 25% from the 3 land? Fire Steele after a Missouri home loss or only an overtime victory over UC?
It is all about talent, defense and discipline. If X continually plays tough D, shoots well from FT line, and outscores the opponent by 1. I will take it. Just win.

[GoMuskies]

People are freaking out.

Where?

[muskiefan82]

Let's see how UIndy does vs. Butler tomorrow.

[DexterBailey84]

Let's see how UIndy does vs. Butler tomorrow.

why, what will that tell us?

[muskiefan82]

why, what will that tell us?

What level UIndy is on right now compared to Loyola, CHI, X, and Butler in their present states. Doesn't give us much about X, but does provide a decent measure of what type of team UIndy is.

[bleedXblue]

Guys,

I think its pretty clear. That team was not very good. They had one nice player #4. We DID NOT play well. We do have a few key pieces still out. Its early. Lets hope the FT shooting and 3 PT shooting improve. Moving on.

[sirthought]

Freaking out is not the correct term.

People are just reporting what they saw and concluding what needs to happen to succeed.

[Xer4ever]

What level UIndy is on right now compared to Loyola, CHI, X, and Butler in their present states. Doesn't give us much about X, but does provide a decent measure of what type of team UIndy is.

Have to factor in this will be Indys 3rd consecutive night of playing so tired legs might make a difference.

[SM#24]

Moving the line back about a foot and a half, didn't do us any favors
Paul, I have to disagree with this. I think I commented on this when the rule came out; I think moving it back helps us. It’s a harder shot for the other team and we can’t shoot them no matter where the line is.

[muskienick]

Paul, I have to disagree with this. I think I commented on this when the rule came out; I think moving it back helps us. It’s a harder shot for the other team and we can’t shoot them no matter where the line is.

Thanks for that--- I needed a good laugh!

[sirthought]

How is Travis Steele defining what a kill is?

Just a defensive stop? A certain kind of defensive stop? An outside 3pt defensive stop? A certain number in a row stops?

I've just heard this term with different stats in mind, so I thought I'd ask.

[UCGRAD4X]

is it a certain number of possessions without a good shot off or just without points?

[X-man]

How is Travis Steele defining what a kill is?

Just a defensive stop? A certain kind of defensive stop? An outside 3pt defensive stop? A certain number in a row stops?

I've just heard this term with different stats in mind, so I thought I'd ask.
I believe it is simply three straight defensive stops.

[muskies1235]

Heard that KyKy injury is more serious than they're letting on.

Anybody else heard anything?

[paulxu]

Paul, I have to disagree with this. I think I commented on this when the rule came out; I think moving it back helps us. It’s a harder shot for the other team and we can’t shoot them no matter where the line is.

Good point.

[surfxu]

A kill is 3 opponent possessions in a row with no points. Period. Doesn't matter if the possession was a steal, a well defended shot/possession or a wide open miss. I cracked up at the end of the first half because the stat board showed two stops, one more would have resulted in another kill. X missed a shot with about 4 seconds left in the half and UIndy rebounded and heaved a full court shot as time expired. Missed of course but the stat line counted it as a third stop and another kill. At one point in the first half I lamented to my section mates that the kill scoreboard should be a "net" number I think it would have been negative for most of the first half. UIndy probably had as many kills as X did until mid 2nd half. As for KyKy... heard it was a stress fracture in his foot. That does sound like it's not day to day for sure.

[muskies1235]

As for KyKy... heard it was a stress fracture in his foot. That does sound like it's not day to day for sure.

That would line up with the timeline I heard.

[Michigan Muskie]

I attended the game - man, is it great to come home to the Cintas Center. The stat sheet is as ugly as the outside shooting but it doesn't provide context. First, the truth will regress to the mean. X may not be a sharp-shooting team and may end up below average from the stripe. But it's not going to be 28% from the line and 23% from 3-point land for the whole season.

With very few exceptions, I thought the 3-point shot selection was fine, they just didn't fall. You can't explain the foul line. It's not like these guys aren't practicing. Foul shooting is contagious -- both makes and misses. I think that's all you can say about Wednesday. There were a lot of misses early and then it got into their heads. It wouldn't shock me if this team shoots 80% from the line next week. It also wouldn't shock me if they shoot 40%. It would shock me if they shoot below 30% for the whole season.

Despite the numbers, I left the game excited about the outlook. I want to see more Moore. Or Moore more. He has a sweet stroke and defends tenaciously. No disrespect intended to Mr. Schrand, but when Carter replaces him on the floor, everything changes. And when KyKy returns ... point being, the personnel we saw Wednesday night is not a true representation of Xavier basketball 2019-2020.

The emphasis on defense is inspiring and I hope the crowd latches onto the kills. I also think this defensive effort will produce more transition scores this season.

I think we know the possibilities with our returning core, but Q brought a new level of creativity. Yes, it was D-2 Indy, but Q had his way in the paint and had a nasty steal (and ensuing highlight reel dunk.) Add his confidence and leadership to a group of upper-classmen that now includes Carter and Moore and you have a team that is built to go deep.

You're not a man, you're a bishop for God's sake. Yes, it is too early to make any determination about the freshmen, but I have a good feeling about Bishop. I hope he logs a lot of minutes in the early part of the season because he's a dynamic player who can add a spark to the core-6 rotation. I suspect KyKy will bring a similar spark, but I've never seen him play.

Freemantle is going to be fun to watch. I have no idea how much he will contribute this season, but it seems to me that he plays with an edge. Call it confidence, attitude, energy, cockiness ... I don't know, but I'm intrigued to see how he evolves when given the minutes.

The others to see the floor were Dieonte Miles, Dontarious James and Myles Hanson. Not enough minutes for any of them to really get much of a take, but my initial impression with Dionte is that he moves well for a big man and I see true potential there. Due to his height alone, we may see more minutes from him this season to spell Tyrique. Hanson is the Columbia transfer who sat out last season and I really don't know anything more about him. He played only three minutes Wednesday night so that didn't tell me much. James looked bigger than I remember, but that's not really that unusual from freshman to sophomore year. He didn't play much and I think his minutes will be limited by the core 6 in front of him. I did like his effort on the floor though, and when he's out there, he looks like a rebounding machine.

Ultimately, my response to the exhibition game is: take your stat sheet and shove it. This team is going to light up the scoreboard and frustrate the crap out of opponents with all of those kills. C'mon, bark like a dog for me. (there, now you have two Caddyshack references in one post.)

[XMuskieFTW]

Heard that KyKy injury is more serious than they're letting on.

Anybody else heard anything?

Steele said in a presser on Monday that he'd be out for a few weeks. I think the hope is to have him back sometime during week 2 of the season. I'm hopeful he'll be back for the Mizzou game.

[AviatorX]

I am very excited for another season of exasperated posters calling for Q and Naji's head for shooting 3's (yes, even with more than 5 seconds on the shot clock) while failing to recognize that if this team doesn't shoot open 3's, teams will just continue to pack the lane even further.

To get ahead of it - no, this does not mean I think these guys are immune to bad shots. The non-shooter versions of Q and Naji are much less valuable than the poor-shooter versions of Q and Naji.

[muskies1235]

Steele said in a presser on Monday that he'd be out for a few weeks. I think the hope is to have him back sometime during week 2 of the season. I'm hopeful he'll be back for the Mizzou game.

I didn't see his presser, but based on what i was told 'couple' would not be the right terms.

Couple x 2

[AviatorX]

I didn't see his presser, but based on what i was told 'couple' would not be the right terms.

Couple x 2

He's already been out a few weeks, though, so a month sounds about right.

[muskies1235]

He's already been out a few weeks, though.

Has he? Snow's notebook on the 24th (i.e. one week ago) made it seem like he expected him to start the Akron scrimmage so i assumed it was an injury that occurred between then and now.

[AviatorX]

Has he? Snow's notebook on the 24th (i.e. one week ago) made it seem like he expected him to start the Akron scrimmage so i assumed it was an injury that occurred between then and now.

You might be right. Maybe I'm conflating with Carter.

Hope Tandy is ready to go soon. Not a great start to his campaign to take Q's job as many speculated on here last year!

[muskies1235]

Update on Tandy from the afternoon pressser:

Adam Baum
@AdamJBaum
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3m
KyKy Tandy's still in a walking boot. Travis Steele said he hopes to have him back in about 2 weeks


It'll be interesting to see what "about 2 weeks" turns into.

[fellahmuskie]

Update on Tandy from the afternoon pressser:

Adam Baum
@AdamJBaum
·
3m
KyKy Tandy's still in a walking boot. Travis Steele said he hopes to have him back in about 2 weeks


It'll be interesting to see what "about 2 weeks" turns into.

Hopefully it means he's back in time for Charleston.

[xukeith]

Nobody is taking Q's job this year. Only way he loses his job is if he gets damaged with an injury.

[paulxu]

I'm not advocating Q lose his job.

I'm praying for someone who can make a 3.

[bobbiemcgee]

I'm not advocating Q lose his job.

I'm praying for someone who can make a 3.

I hoping he can just lead the Big East in assists and assists to to's. Too busy to shoot 3's.

[bleedXblue]

Update on Tandy from the afternoon pressser:

Adam Baum
@AdamJBaum
·
3m
KyKy Tandy's still in a walking boot. Travis Steele said he hopes to have him back in about 2 weeks


It'll be interesting to see what "about 2 weeks" turns into.

don't like the sound of this......it was 2 weeks about a week ago.......

[xufan02]

don't like the sound of this......it was 2 weeks about a week ago.......

I think the goal is to have KyKy back with practices under his belt by Charleston. If Xavier doesn't have enough firepower to get past two buy games, Missouri, and Missouri State all at home without an freshman that hasn't played a minute of college ball we have bigger problems.

I think KyKy will contribute but we are talking a projected 10-12 minute per game contributor. Dahmir Bishop will fill that void. No sense in rushing KyKy.

[Xville]

I think the goal is to have KyKy back with practices under his belt by Charleston. If Xavier doesn't have enough firepower to get past two buy games, Missouri, and Missouri State all at home without an freshman that hasn't played a minute of college ball we have bigger problems.

I think KyKy will contribute but we are talking a projected 10-12 minute per game contributor. Dahmir Bishop will fill that void. No sense in rushing KyKy.

Missouri state is projected by some to win their league...definitely not a slouch, and missouri should be much improved from last year. Point taken about kyky, but just saying after the first two, the schedule toughens up a bit

[bleedXblue]

I think the goal is to have KyKy back with practices under his belt by Charleston. If Xavier doesn't have enough firepower to get past two buy games, Missouri, and Missouri State all at home without an freshman that hasn't played a minute of college ball we have bigger problems.

I think KyKy will contribute but we are talking a projected 10-12 minute per game contributor. Dahmir Bishop will fill that void. No sense in rushing KyKy.

that's not my point.....it was more that stress fractures can be a bit unpredictable. I was hoping it was a minor one........would love to see this kid back ASAP b/c he's going to need some experience and minutes to get his feet underneath him

[xufan02]

Missouri state is projected by some to win their league...definitely not a slouch, and missouri should be much improved from last year. Point taken about kyky, but just saying after the first two, the schedule toughens up a bit

Missouri is projected to finish 13th out of 14 teams in the SEC. They are not improved. If our core 4 don't beat the breaks off of them I would be surprised. Last year in Columbia was our most embarrassing moment on the season.

Missouri State is good and is projected to win their league as you mentioned. However, Jared Ridder comes back to Cintas to take a L.

[Xville]

Missouri is projected to finish 13th out of 14 teams in the SEC. They are not improved. If our core 4 don't beat the breaks off of them I would be surprised. Last year in Columbia was our most embarrassing moment on the season.

Missouri State is good and is projected to win their league as you mentioned. However, Jared Ridder comes back to Cintas to take a L.

Missouri is my second team so I know quite a bit about them. They will be much improved, and certainly better than 13 that the prognosticators put them at. With all that said x should beat them, but I think it will look like a good win resume wise by seasons end.