2019-2020 College Basketball Polls

[GoMuskies]

Xavier checks in at #19 in the preseason. We'll be sneaking up on the top 10 in no time. 3 Big East teams are ranked and 4 others are receiving votes.

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

[xubrew]

I think X will finish the season in the top ten. Not sure if they'll sneak into it or not. They may just ram through the damn door! If they end up playing Florida and beat them down in Charleston, Xavier may be ranked in the top ten for the entire rest of the season.

[American X]

That is awesome and I am normally a blue kool-aid drinker, but I am skeptical. After witnessing last season, I have trouble believing that Xavier is the 19th best out of the 700+ Division I teams. I certainly hope you guys are correct about our prospects.

[atljar]

That is awesome and I am normally a blue kool-aid drinker, but I am skeptical. After witnessing last season, I have trouble believing that Xavier is the 19th best out of the 700+ Division I teams. I certainly hope you guys are correct about our prospects.


Counting the women too? That means we are at least in the upper 50% (hopefully)!

[xukeith]

700+ teams ?? Sarcasm I read....

[xu82]

That is awesome and I am normally a blue kool-aid drinker, but I am skeptical. After witnessing last season, I have trouble believing that Xavier is the 19th best out of the 700+ Division I teams. I certainly hope you guys are correct about our prospects.

It looks like we’re going to need to learn to shoot....and soon! I wish I was more optimistic. Shot selection and shooting ability appear to be major challenges. I hope I’m wrong.

[GIMMFD]

It looks like we’re going to need to learn to shoot....and soon! I wish I was more optimistic. Shot selection and shooting ability appear to be major challenges. I hope I’m wrong.

I'm with you two, I'm not as optimistic about being Top 10 all-season either, we really don't have much of an outside shooting threat, really depends on which version of Naji/Scruggs/Q shows up from behind the arc, and throw in all the freshman into the mix, I think we're gonna have some growing pains to start the year out, but I'll tell you what, I'm damn excited to see what happens because I think it's gonna be a fun year.

[XU 87]

That is awesome and I am normally a blue kool-aid drinker, but I am skeptical. After witnessing last season, I have trouble believing that Xavier is the 19th best out of the 700+ Division I teams. I certainly hope you guys are correct about our prospects.

I thought X was a very good team at the end of the season and could have won a game or two had they gotten into the NCAA. Unfortunately, due to the first 2/3rds of the season, they didn't have that chance. Steele even said he thought they were a top 30 team by the end of the season.

[scoscox]

Reminder that kyky shot almost 50% from three for a full season. He can shoot. Moore shot almost 40%, Bishop is supposed to be a good shooter, Carter shot 35%, and freemantle and Ramsey have made threes already. We’ve yet to see a lot of these guys play yet. Not saying we’re gonna light it up but I don’t think it will be as dire as people are saying

[scoscox]

I thought X was a very good team at the end of the season and could have won a game or two had they gotten into the NCAA. Unfortunately, due to the first 2/3rds of the season, they didn't have that chance. Steele even said he thought they were a top 30 team by the end of the season.

If you believe in the metrics, if you limit the season to the creighton game at Cintas onward, we were playing as a top 25 team in that stretch

[scoscox]

I thought X was a very good team at the end of the season and could have won a game or two had they gotten into the NCAA. Unfortunately, due to the first 2/3rds of the season, they didn't have that chance. Steele even said he thought they were a top 30 team by the end of the season.

If you believe in the metrics, if you limit the season to the creighton game at Cintas onward, we were playing as a top 25 team in that stretch

[GIMMFD]

Reminder that kyky shot almost 50% from three for a full season. He can shoot. Moore shot almost 40%, Bishop is supposed to be a good shooter, Carter shot 35%, and freemantle and Ramsey have made threes already. We’ve yet to see a lot of these guys play yet. Not saying we’re gonna light it up but I don’t think it will be as dire as people are saying

Yeah, definitely something to keep in mind, I guess I'm more so worried because of trying to figure out how it'll translate to the college level for them (except Carter and Moore of course), again the adjustment period of all those new faces may need a little bit of time to get worked out, but I think there's a lot of promise on this roster. I'm just being pessimistic to set myself up for pleasantly surprised down the road hahah.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Shooting is biggest concern probably. How far out did the 3 point line move again? Need the new guys to step up in the outside shooting department.

[American X]

The defense was there at the end of last season. I am most curious to see if we actually run offense or are jacking out-of-rhythm threes with 20 seconds on the shot clock.

[bleedXblue]

The defense was there at the end of last season. I am most curious to see if we actually run offense or are jacking out-of-rhythm threes with 20 seconds on the shot clock.

Exactly......we are a very veteran team....but the biggest weakness I see is discipline and taking good shots.......something this team has not really done at all.

We do need Kyky, Moore and Bishop to help out this year off the bench.

[GIMMFD]

Exactly......we are a very veteran team....but the biggest weakness I see is discipline and taking good shots.......something this team has not really done at all.

We do need Kyky, Moore and Bishop to help out this year off the bench.

I actually think we're gonna be better with the shot selection this year mainly because if the bench contributes like they're supposed to, Carter is the real deal, then Q won't have to force things. We had periods last season where we had literally nothing going on offense, which required Q to force the issue, he's much better when he can manage the game and set other people up, I think we'll see more of that with Kyky, Bishop, Carter, etc. into the mix, obviously gotta see how it translates, but on paper the firepower is there.

[American X]

I actually think we're gonna be better with the shot selection this year mainly because if the bench contributes like they're supposed to, Carter is the real deal, then Q won't have to force things. We had periods last season where we had literally nothing going on offense, which required Q to force the issue, he's much better when he can manage the game and set other people up, I think we'll see more of that with Kyky, Bishop, Carter, etc. into the mix, obviously gotta see how it translates, but on paper the firepower is there.

If Q hits the side of the backboard on a 3, they should just forfeit the season.

[GoMuskies]

Quentin Goodin will take at least one three pointer that will hit the side of the backboard and cause this website to implode.


If Q hits the side of the backboard on a 3, they should just forfeit the season.

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[AviatorX]

Exactly......we are a very veteran team....but the biggest weakness I see is discipline and taking good shots.......something this team has not really done at all.

We do need Kyky, Moore and Bishop to help out this year off the bench.

I totally get this, but somehow someway the offense last year was...not that bad - good enough for #56 on KenPom. But agreed if X can tighten things up on that end, it should be good for at least a slight efficiency bump (and obviously cutting live ball run out turnovers will help the defensive numbers as well).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dropped 2 spots in AP poll. Now 21

[GoMuskies]

We're sneaking up...on others receiving votes. Down 2 spots in the AP poll to #21. Had to make way for Arizona and St. Mary's.

[noteggs]

Guess our honeymoon with Andy Katz is over. In his top 36, we had the biggest drop this week all the way down to 33 from 20.

[UCGRAD4X]

Guess our honeymoon with Andy Katz is over. In his top 36, we had the biggest drop this week all the way down to 33 from 20.

WTF? That makes no sense. Were we supposed to beat both teams by 40 and score 100 points? What the hell did Arizona and St. Mary's do?

[GoMuskies]

St. Mary's beat Wisconsin. Arizona throttled Illinois.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

St. Mary's beat Wisconsin. Arizona throttled Illinois.

Then St. Mary's lost to Winthrop last night.

[GoMuskies]

Then St. Mary's lost to Winthrop last night.

And next week they'll be behind us (assuming we win). But yesterday afternoon they probably deserved to jump us.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

And next week they'll be behind us (assuming we win). But yesterday afternoon they probably deserved to jump us.

Fully agree with you on both points.

[GoMuskies]

The AP writers proved that no one watches early season college basketball (even those who are paid to watch it) by moving Xavier up three spots to #18 in the latest poll.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

[GIMMFD]

The AP writers proved that no one watches early season college basketball (even those who are paid to watch it) by moving Xavier up three spots to #18 in the latest poll.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Yeah, I really think they just fill it out, or have an assistant fill it out and submit. We definitely haven't looked like we deserve to move up in the rankings, but also don't think we deserve to fall as far as 33rd like Katz did for us. I don't know why people are shocked it hasn't been completely smooth, other than the core 4, everybody else that contributes is new, it's gonna take time to gel.

[MADXSTER]

It's early but Xavier's RPI is 4 and their SOS is 23 so... being ranked 18th may not be so suspect compared to the rest of the field.

[UCGRAD4X]

Except for Katzenjammer, seems like we're getting some love...all things considered. Let's start deserving it and more.

[xukeith]

Someone watched Kentucky and Seton Hall and Florida. They all tanked in rankings. Duke is #1 despite playing like garbage, shooting horribly from outside, turnovers and other criteria worse than X.

[AviatorX]

Someone watched Kentucky and Seton Hall and Florida. They all tanked in rankings. Duke is #1 despite playing like garbage, shooting horribly from outside, turnovers and other criteria worse than X.

Lol...they did also beat Kansas on a neutral floor for one of the best wins anyone has.

[GoMuskies]

#25 in AP and #23 by the coaches. Time to re-streak and move those rankings back in the correct direction.

[GIMMFD]

#25 in AP and #23 by the coaches. Time to re-streak and move those rankings back in the correct direction.

A seven spot drop is pretty brutal, I realize we haven't been playing the cleanest games, but we lost to a good Florida team, not like we lost to someone who isn't going to be in the tournament come March. Kind of shocking to me.

[GoMuskies]

Well, we probably didn't do anything to deserve moving up from 21 to 18 in the first place, so this just puts us back where we generally belong at this point.

[XU88]

Some idiot LA writer voted X not ranked. . . . . . and uc #23. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :wacko:

[X-band '01]

Some idiot LA writer voted X not ranked. . . . . . and uc #23. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :wacko:

and promptly got a Twitter spanking from Gary Parrish in his weekly Poll Attacks.

[XU88]

and promptly got a Twitter spanking from Gary Parrish in his weekly Poll Attacks.


Haha. Poll Attacks article posted on cbssports.com. Well deserved:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/poll-attacks-one-ap-voter-seems-to-have-no-idea-cincinnati-lost-to-bowling-green-on-sunday-night/


Also, others might have posted this link in the past, but you can see how the writers voted on this site:

https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/

[GoMuskies]

Xavier is back into "sneaking up" position. Dayton is #19. Chris Mack's team is, well,....enough depressing news for one post.

Louisville's women are actually more deserving of the top spot in the poll than Louisville's men.

[xubrew]

The top 3 teams are a combined 21-1. Of those 21 wins, I'd say only one of them was against a consensus, clear cut top 40 team. To Kansas's credit UNC Greensboro and East Tennessee State are good, and perhaps top 40, but beating them at home is something that virtually every team in the top 25 should be able to do without too much of a sweat.

This is one of the things about the polls that I don't like. You can move up by default simply by beating mediocre teams, and you can move down if you lose to top ten teams. But, I don't not like it to the point that I really care too much about it. But there are probably over 40 teams that would be undefeated against Louisville's schedule, so they didn't exactly outperform everyone else to reach the top spot.

[Masterofreality]

Xavier is back into "sneaking up" position. Dayton is #19. Chris Mack's team is, well,....enough depressing news for one post.

Louisville's women are actually more deserving of the top spot in the poll than Louisville's men.

We need to play better. We have wins, but they are not impressive wins. Look, folks. Without two *almost* improbable Naji Marshall 3's, the same Naji Marshall that is hitting 20.5% from three range, this team would be 5-3 and absolutely mediocre. We've struggled at home and played very stupidly at times. There are still inexplicable passes, shots from guys who have no business shooting them and regression and underperformance from 2 starters. The bench is starting to look stronger, but things need to improve for us to deserve a ranking.
At least we actually flashed a guy to the foul line vs Lipscomb's zone Saturday. That's a schematic improvement, but there is a lot more to be done.

[Xville]

We are also a wide open 3 away from potentially being 8-0 and being ranked in the top 20.

The what if scenarios kill me..I'm more of the parcells mantra of you are what your record says you are. The team is 7-1 and will be 11-2 or 12-1 going into conference. Does the team have faults? Of course but so does every single team on december 2nd.

[AviatorX]

We need to play better. We have wins, but they are not impressive wins. Look, folks. Without two *almost* improbable Naji Marshall 3's, the same Naji Marshall that is hitting 20.5% from three range, this team would be 5-3 and absolutely mediocre. We've struggled at home and played very stupidly at times. There are still inexplicable passes, shots from guys who have no business shooting them and regression and underperformance from 2 starters. The bench is starting to look stronger, but things need to improve for us to deserve a ranking.
At least we actually flashed a guy to the foul line vs Lipscomb's zone Saturday. That's a schematic improvement, but there is a lot more to be done.

Substance aside, your post represents about 1000000 times the analysis any voter is putting in. It would be cool if Xavier was #1 (I think that's the last program history to be made in the polls, right?), but outside of that I really don't care about the AP/coaches.

[Masterofreality]

We are also a wide open 3 away from potentially being 8-0 and being ranked in the top 20.

The what if scenarios kill me..I'm more of the parcells mantra of you are what your record says you are. The team is 7-1 and will be 11-2 or 12-1 going into conference. Does the team have faults? Of course but so does every single team on december 2nd.

I, mean, c'mon. Are you really satisfied with how an experienced team has been playing? A team that seemingly has tons of talent? #ChildPlease

[Xville]

I, mean, c'mon. Are you really satisfied with how an experienced team has been playing? A team that seemingly has tons of talent? #ChildPlease

Satisfied completely? No but even I can recognize there is an insane amount of negativity on this board for a team that is 7-1 and whose defense is leaps and bounds above last years performance.

[xubrew]

Not a single AP top 25 vote for DePaul. By no means am I saying they're as good as Louisville, but with an 8-0 record and three true road wins against Iowa, BC, and Minney, one could easily argue that they've outperformed Louisville up to this point.

[GoMuskies]

Not a single AP top 25 vote for DePaul.

Correct. Not a single AP vote for DePaul. Instead, they got 18. :)

Personally, I think 7 for SF Austin is a bit light.

[xubrew]

Correct. Not a single AP vote for DePaul. Instead, they got 18. :)

Personally, I think 7 for SF Austin is a bit light.

Ehh, so they did. Good for them

[XUBob]

I can’t say I’m completely satisfied, there are some things to clean up. That being said, 7-1 with a loss to Florida is about where I’d thought we would be. X didn’t start winning last year until they committed to playing defense for 40 minutes. We got wins they weren’t always pretty. This team is pretty much the same guys. This team is going to succeed on the defensive end of the court. This version of the Muskies will never be a consistent, lights out three point shooting group. They have to value each possession (room for improvement) and defend. They are playing together, no quit in them I think they will be more than fine.

[bleedXblue]

X needs to improve in some areas if they expect to win 20+ games and comfortably make the tourney this year. If we think where we are right now is going to get us there, I don't see it. I can be happy we're 7-1 and concerned at the same time. I am optimistic with the improved bench and depth this year. The TO's and bad shots are becoming chronic and its pretty much the same guys every game.

[IM4X]

We need to play better. We have wins, but they are not impressive wins. Look, folks. Without two *almost* improbable Naji Marshall 3's, the same Naji Marshall that is hitting 20.5% from three range, this team would be 5-3 and absolutely mediocre. We've struggled at home and played very stupidly at times. There are still inexplicable passes, shots from guys who have no business shooting them and regression and underperformance from 2 starters. The bench is starting to look stronger, but things need to improve for us to deserve a ranking.
At least we actually flashed a guy to the foul line vs Lipscomb's zone Saturday. That's a schematic improvement, but there is a lot more to be done.

Yes. Yes, that’s True. Yes. Yes... and Yes.

[GoMuskies]

All of what MOR said. But also we're going to fuck up UC. MMM-HMMM

[MADXSTER]

Correct. Not a single AP vote for DePaul. Instead, they got 18. :)



Guess no one in the Chicago area votes in the AP. Weird

[Masterofreality]

All of what MOR said. But also we're going to fuck up UC. MMM-HMMM

This is true as well. It’s also going to be my triumphant return to Cintas. Clifton Community College doesn’t stand a chance.

[bobbiemcgee]

Chance we get back in?

[GoMuskies]

Chance we get back in?

98%

[Lloyd Braun]

23 ap poll

[GoMuskies]

Coaches left us unranked (27th in the voting) while ranking Dayton #12.

[XUMIOH12]

Coaches left us unranked (27th in the voting) while ranking Dayton #12.

Dayton sure is getting a lot of credit for a game they lost.

[GoMuskies]

Also for some games they won.

[xubrew]

Also for some games they won.

Agree. When Dayton has played against the NIT-ish types of teams, they've beaten them about as soundly as you would expect a top 15 team to beat them. I think they are as good as their ranking. I know a lot of people on here will try and come up with a bunch of reasons as to why they really aren't that good, but if you know good when you see it, then you know that Dayton is good.

[AviatorX]

Agree. When Dayton has played against the NIT-ish types of teams, they've beaten them about as soundly as you would expect a top 15 team to beat them. I think they are as good as their ranking. I know a lot of people on here will try and come up with a bunch of reasons as to why they really aren't that good, but if you know good when you see it, then you know that Dayton is good.

100%. I guess the only "concern" I have for UD is they really need UGA, VT and SMC to play a slight tick above where it looks like they might, otherwise, if you build in a few WTF A-10 road games (we can relate) they might be looking at being a very very very good 7 seed.

[sirthought]

100%. I guess the only "concern" I have for UD is they really need UGA, VT and SMC to play a slight tick above where it looks like they might, otherwise, if you build in a few WTF A-10 road games (we can relate) they might be looking at being a very very very good 7 seed.

Well, right now they are playing well enough that they are being projected as a 4/5 seed. But I see what you mean about the unexpected losses.

They are #1 in adjusted offensive efficiency (just ahead of Villanova). #73 in adjusted defensive efficiency (five spots behind Duquesne). They are tracking statistically similar to Oregon.

Just because of coaches, I find it interesting that their old coach is winning at Indiana, but playing much lesser competition. And just lost their first game to Wisconsin by 20.

Should be interesting to see if Anthony Grant gets another look by bigger schools and if he stays in the A10.

[IM4X]

Coaches left us unranked (27th in the voting) while ranking Dayton #12.

While keeping Seton Hall in with 3 losses.... 3 LOSSES!!!... and we don't even get the 25th spot!!!?

Apparently there are a few coaches who really don't care for X.

I want names!!!! Anyone know which coach (besides Mack!!!?) is sticking it to us.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

While keeping Seton Hall in with 3 losses.... 3 LOSSES!!!... and we don't even get the 25th spot!!!?

Apparently there are a few coaches who really don't care for X.

I want names!!!! Anyone know which coach (besides Mack!!!?) is sticking it to us.

In the AP Poll, where there are 65 voters, 2 of them had Xavier at 13, 21 of them had us unranked. Oddly, Seton Hall, ranked one spot above us, was no higher than 14 and had more ballots where they were left off, but still ended up with decidedly more points than us overall.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

AP voters of interest:
* Ben Steele (Milwaukee): unranked [DUMB, helps Marquette if we are ranked, dude]
* Dick Vitale: 17th
* Joe Juliano (Philly): 23rd
* John Feinstein: 19th
* Jon Rothstein (ugh): unranked
* Kevin McNamara (Providence [really good!]): 17th
* Matt McCoy (Columbus, OH): 22nd
* Rick Bozich (Louisville): 21st
* Rob Dauster: 22nd
* Seth Davis: unranked
* Stephen Means (Cleveland): 14th

[OTRMUSKIE]

VD is good this year and there is no way to hide it. Accept the fact that’s it’s VD and other then Kansas, who else have they really played? Also none of the games were a true road game. Let me see how they do through the gauntlet which is the ACC sorry A-10 and then we can see if they are legit. Either way they suck, their city is disgusting and if I’m AG I’m getting the hell out of that dump as soon as this season is over. F&CK DAYTON

[OTRMUSKIE]

When do the NET rankings come out?

[xubrew]

When do the NET rankings come out?

Monday

[GoMuskies]

Not surprisingly, the Muskies dropped out of the top 25. Surprisingly, they are still second among others receiving votes. Now, interesting to me (and no one else), is that the first three in others receiving votes look like this: North Carolina 41, Xavier 40, Wichita State 31

Alma mater, alma mater, current residence. Woo hoo, lots of good but not great basketball for me this year!

[GoMuskies]

I think we're going to spend another week just on the outside of the polls. Not much movement at the bottom of the polls with most of those teams winning, and the votes I've seen indicate that Wichita State is going to be the new team in and not us. However, we'll have every opportunity in Big East play to make a name for ourselves.

[GoMuskies]

Huh, for some reason Iowa snuck in at #25. That makes no sense. Anyway, X is now #28 (third team receiving votes).

[AviatorX]

Huh, for some reason Iowa snuck in at #25. That makes no sense. Anyway, X is now #28 (third team receiving votes).

I do enjoy how college basketball at large seems to talk itself into Iowa around this time every year. Look forward to their 9th place Big 10 finish and appearance in an 8/9 game in March.

[noteggs]

Of course Iowa is ranked since they took down that floundering program across town. To quote Fletch - “It’s all ball bearings.”

[blueblood]

If I saw it right, I think the most interesting thing about this week's poll is that 9 of the 10 Big East teams received votes.

[GoMuskies]

In AP, I see 2 in the poll and 5 receiving votes. Oops, I was looking at the coaches. Correct on AP. And Seton Hall is #9 on that list!

[UCGRAD4X]

Huh, for some reason Iowa snuck in at #25. That makes no sense. Anyway, X is now #28 (third team receiving votes).

You're mathematical prowess is impressive, my friend. :tease:

[GoMuskies]

We've still got at least one belieber! Xavier got 4 points in the latest coaches poll released today.

[GoMuskies]

The Big East has 5 of the top 23 in the AP Poll this week. The Fighting Kelseys outpointed Xavier 1-0 in the voting.

[xubrew]

The Big East has 5 of the top 23 in the AP Poll this week. The Fighting Kelseys outpointed Xavier 1-0 in the voting.

Pat Kelsey is probably having his best season as a head coach. It wasn't a team that looked like it was set up to do much, and they are running away from the league. If they beat Radford tonight they'll be three games in front of the second place team with just five to go, and the first place team hosts the conference tourney, so they're in really good shape. I'd LOVE to see them win a game in the Round of 64.

[GoMuskies]

Just cancel the Coaches' poll already. Tulsa lost at home to UConn and at UCF this week. In KenPom they are #85. In Sagarin they are #91. In the NET they are #86.

One of the coaches ranked Tulsa #25.

[GoMuskies]

For the first time in my life I had to look at the AP poll and see UD in the top 5 today. I think I'm blind now.

Fighting Kelseys lost two in a row in the Big South, so they're now looking at about a 15 seed if they manage to win the Big South Tournament.

[OTRMUSKIE]

For the first time in my life I had to look at the AP poll and see UD in the top 5 today. I think I'm blind now.

Fighting Kelseys lost two in a row in the Big South, so they're now looking at about a 15 seed if they manage to win the Big South Tournament.

VD is a paper tiger. I have watched a lot of their games and they will be beaten first weekend. They have benefited from a very easy schedule and let’s not forget the two best teams they played they did lose and that was on a neutral
Court.

[paulxu]

What UD does have is one, unquestionable, NBA ready player.
Amazing how that allows them to dominate a conference.

[Masterofreality]

VD is a paper tiger. I have watched a lot of their games and they will be beaten first weekend. They have benefited from a very easy schedule and let’s not forget the two best teams they played they did lose and that was on a neutral
Court.

The A10 really is bad this year. Maybe not historically bad, but bad bad. Last ranking I saw, they were 9th.

[OTRMUSKIE]

A-10 is garbage this year. They will prob be a one bid league possibly 2. Obi toppin is a flat out stud and they have two very good complimentary players. I like their HC too, AG seems like a really good person. But that aside, I expect them to get a 3 seed in Cleveland and lose second game. There is no way in hell they are Top 5. They wouldn’t be able to hang with Baylor, Duke and Kansas(twice) first time they just happen to sneak up on them. VD is a program that will always have a good team every 50 years and there is nothing wrong with that. Also how in the hell is UC ranked 32?

[GoMuskies]

One of those shitty A-10 teams is going to have to beat them to knock them down to a #3 seed. They still have to go to Rhody, but that's about it.

[OTRMUSKIE]

They play VCU Tuesday. I expect them to lose that and RI game. Hell that might be enough to drop them to a 4 if they don’t win the A-10. UC is on think ICE too. They can’t afford more then 1-2 losses. Kind of like us!!! Lose tonight and we are in a world of trouble.