2019-2020 College Basketball Season Thread

[xubrew]

Some say it begins on the first day of practice. Others say it begins when the first official game is played. I like to think of it as starting when the first open exhibition game is played.

That has happened.

Texas Tech played UTEP in a charity exhibition on Saturday, and lost. It didn't count and does not mean a damn thing, but it was the first open basketball game between two college teams since last year's NCAA Final between Texas Tech and Virginia.

So, it's college basketball season!!

[xubrew]

We've got Hoops on TV this Friday! Well, totally meaningless hoops, but hoops nonetheless. The charity game between Villanova and USC will at least be interesting...

http://hoopshd.com/exhibition-game-schedule-2019-2020/

[xubrew]

Louisville's young players haven't quite gelled yet. They had to sweat out Bellarmine in their exhibition last night. They won by 10, but Bellarmine was as close as 2 with less than three minutes to go.

As an aside, the two have played exhibition games in nine of the last ten years, or something like that. I don't know whether or not it will become a regular buy game now that Bellarmine is moving to div1.

[GoMuskies]

Mack always struggles with Bellarmine.

[SM#24]

CBS's Matt Norlander ranks non-con schedules for the top 7 leagues (plus 5 others). X checks in at T28 hardest out of 92.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ranking-the-best-and-worst-nonconference-schedules-in-college-basketball-for-2019-20/

[sirthought]

Should be interesting to see how UC plays against #18 OSU in their first game with a new coach. In their exhibition against Thomas More, the offense looked like a complete 180 from Cronin's, with lots of movement, backdoors, general uptempo. And the coach complained that his team wasn't moving fast enough yet for the system to work. Their big men are clearly not going to match up with OSU's bigs, but the reverse is UC did hit 50% from three in a system that seemed to get them open for the long ball often. It was Thomas More, but I thought the defense looked just as aggressive as UC has looked for several years. They are dealing with a lot of injuries, but UC could be pretty decent this year with the two Cumberlands, and the new point guard McNeal.

[xubrew]

Three games have tipped off!!

As is the annual tradition, the early tipoffs are typically out of hand prior to the under 8 media timeout.

[GoMuskies]

The Tulsa/Houston Baptist game is competitive for now. So you've got that going for you.

[GIMMFD]

Haven't really digged deep into research this season, but anybody else feel a little "underwhelmed" with the top 5?? Like, it doesn't seem to have a clear runaway team that I think will destroy everyone's soul. I like Michigan State with Cassius and Tillman, but I feel like this year may be pretty open just like the last couple years have been.

[xubrew]

Haven't really digged deep into research this season, but anybody else feel a little "underwhelmed" with the top 5?? Like, it doesn't seem to have a clear runaway team that I think will destroy everyone's soul. I like Michigan State with Cassius and Tillman, but I feel like this year may be pretty open just like the last couple years have been.

People can do all the research they want. Until the teams actually start playing, everyone is just guessing. There may be a runaway team and we just don't know it yet. Texas Tech started off outside the Top 25 for the last two years.

[xubrew]

The Tulsa/Houston Baptist game is competitive for now. So you've got that going for you.

Houston Baptist is awful, so Tulsa must REALLY stink!

[Xville]

Haven't really digged deep into research this season, but anybody else feel a little "underwhelmed" with the top 5?? Like, it doesn't seem to have a clear runaway team that I think will destroy everyone's soul. I like Michigan State with Cassius and Tillman, but I feel like this year may be pretty open just like the last couple years have been.

I completely agree. I think a lot of it has to do with this years recruiting class at the top being very underwhelming. Duke, Kentucky, kansas all seem to have good stuff like usual but last years class had a great deal of hype, while this years all I hear about is the kid at unc and thata about it.

[GoMuskies]

I completely agree. I think a lot of it has to do with this years recruiting class at the top being very underwhelming. Duke, Kentucky, kansas all seem to have good stuff like usual but last years class had a great deal of hype, while this years all I hear about is the kid at unc and thata about it.

Maybe the recruiting class at the top feels underwhelming because you're looking at Dook, Kentucky and Kansas, and the top recruits are actually massed at Memphis. They very well could be the monster that most people seem to be largely ignoring.

Next Tuesday night it is Memphis vs. Oregon in Portland. We'll learn a lot. Should be fun.

[paulxu]

Three games have tipped off!!

As is the annual tradition, the early tipoffs are typically out of hand prior to the under 8 media timeout.

Wait...aren't you the guy that doesn't watch much college BB?

[xubrew]

Wait...aren't you the guy that doesn't watch much college BB?

Well, every now and then I catch a few minutes of a game.

[GIMMFD]

People can do all the research they want. Until the teams actually start playing, everyone is just guessing. There may be a runaway team and we just don't know it yet. Texas Tech started off outside the Top 25 for the last two years.

So so so true my friend, but that's honestly the reason I love college basketball, between that and March Madness, there's a lot of variety, and honestly any team has a legitimate chance. It's so much more fun than college football where the play-offs are basically going to be the blue bloods, and is a lot more difficult for an underdog to win, plus with the one and done phenomena going on, so many new faces everywhere to add to the craziness.


Maybe the recruiting class at the top feels underwhelming because you're looking at Dook, Kentucky and Kansas, and the top recruits are actually massed at Memphis. They very well could be the monster that most people seem to be largely ignoring.

Next Tuesday night it is Memphis vs. Oregon in Portland. We'll learn a lot. Should be fun.

To be fair, I think it's been spoken about how amazing Memphis' class is this off-season, I don't think anybody is ignoring that, but I do kind of agree with what he's saying. Duke had Zion, RJ Barrett, and Carter which was what, like 1, 2, an 5 overall or something? Matthew Hurt and Vernon Carey don't have that type of "name/star power," though they both are probably very good in their own right. Nova had like the 6th or 7th class, the biggest worry out of it for me was seeing another damn Archidiacono, Kentucky has a great class again, but the star power is missing. Even Arizona, the only reason I know of Nico Mannion is because people started calling him "White Mamba" or "Ginger Mamba" or something.

It could definitely be not keeping up with recruiting as much this year with boards and life going on, but it just felt like last year that class had sure fire NBA studs, while this one seems a little more underwhelming. Again, I could just be painfully ignorant by not looking into things, just kind of the feel I have going into this season!

[GoMuskies]

Howard lost to something called Washington Adventist. That's probably not good.

[GoMuskies]

Speaking of people losing their shit over game 1 (referencing another thread!), if you follow Jordan Crawford on Twitter (and I've got to stop doing that as I think it lowers my IQ) you'll see him quite upset with Izzo and his use of Rocket Watts. Sounds like Crawford wishes he was somewhere like UDM and was just allowed to dominate the ball and generally do whatever he wants.

[xubrew]

Fordham held on to beat Saint Francis Brooklyn last night. This is big because St. Francis BKN is normally a lot better than Fordham.

Fordham is now ahead of both Michigan State and Kansas in the NET!!

[GoMuskies]

Elias Harden had a rough go of it last night for what should be a pretty good Jacksonville State team. 3 points on 1-7 shooting (1-4 from 3) in a 74-65 loss to SMU. That was a big opportunity for them and a game they had a real chance to win.

[xubrew]

Elias Harden had a rough go of it last night for what should be a pretty good Jacksonville State team. 3 points on 1-7 shooting (1-4 from 3) in a 74-65 loss to SMU. That was a big opportunity for them and a game they had a real chance to win.

Jax State has mastered the JUCO transfer market in recent years. Well, at least by the standards of the OVC and similar leagues.

[GoMuskies]

Ray Harper is also a shady motherfucker and a pretty good coach.

[xubrew]

Cincinnati v Ohio State tonight.

I love the Crosstown Shootout, and I know that UC is a rival, but I don't really hate them. I do, however, HATE Ohio State. I am openly rooting for UC tonight. It was a failed effort, but I rooted for them about a month ago when the two played in football.

[sirthought]

For some reason Wisconsin played St. Mary's College of California in South Dakota. The Gaels won by two points.

And why is Louisville playing a conference game against Miami on the first night? Louisville won by 13 points.

[GoMuskies]

For some reason Wisconsin played St. Mary's College of California in South Dakota. The Gaels won by two points.

And why is Louisville playing a conference game against Miami on the first night? Louisville won by 13 points.

The Corn Palace in SD always hosts a "marquee" early season game. The ACC Network wanted to promote itself with conference games on opening day, so you got that one and I think NC State/Georgia Tech.

Nevermind, this game wasn't actually at the Corn Palace, so I don't really know.

[xubrew]

SMC v Wisky is an ESPN event. I think there are four games in Sioux Falls this week. Oklahoma is also playing Minnesota out there.

With the exception of Duke who was in the Champions Classic, the other 14 ACC teams opened the season with a conference game this year to promote the ACC Network. Boston College plays Wake Forest tonight. That means that one of them will be in first place for close to two months. Something just doesn't feel right about that.

[GIMMFD]

SMC v Wisky is an ESPN event. I think there are four games in Sioux Falls this week. Oklahoma is also playing Minnesota out there.

With the exception of Duke who was in the Champions Classic, the other 14 ACC teams opened the season with a conference game this year to promote the ACC Network. Boston College plays Wake Forest tonight. That means that one of them will be in first place for close to two months. Something just doesn't feel right about that.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought it was weird as hell. UNC and Notre Dame, UVA and Syracuse tonight as well.. just seems so.. off for some reason. And apparently I was very ignorant about this "recruiting class" think because apparently that Cole Anthony kid from UNC is supposed to be something amazing, granted it was a Bilas ESPN article, but may have to tune in to see what the hype is about.

[X-band '01]

Ray Harper is also a shady motherfucker and a pretty good coach.

And had no idea that his team was playing 5-on-6 at the end of a game.

[xubrew]

Mick Cronin had a rough debut. They beat Long Beach State, but it wasn't easy.

In case you're wondering if Long Beach State is any good this year, they're not. Not even by Big West standards.

[GoMuskies]

In case you're wondering if Long Beach State is any good this year, they're not. Not even by Big West standards.

How can you disrespect Dan Monson like that?!? The fact that he's still there shows how little they care and how low their standards are.

[murray87]

This was not the half time score--UVA 48 Syracuse 34. I guess that's old school?

[xubrew]

This was not the half time score--UVA 48 Syracuse 34. I guess that's old school?

They say that, but when you look at games from the pre-shot clock era there were actually more possessions per game on average, and more points scored. The 35 second shot clock ere was the slowest the game ever was. Something I learned (I think) from Ken Pomeroy.

[bjf123]

This was not the half time score--UVA 48 Syracuse 34. I guess that's old school?

Ouch. That had to be painful to watch.


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[Muskie]

The slate of games tonight is less than stellar.

[noteggs]

They say that, but when you look at games from the pre-shot clock era there were actually more possessions per game on average, and more points scored. The 35 second shot clock ere was the slowest the game ever was. Something I learned (I think) from Ken Pomeroy.

Interesting, you would thought it would’ve been when they implemented the 45 second clock. Guess some remembered Dean Smith’s four corner offensive. As that type of game was brutal to watch, nothing compares to the 1983 UC UK game I went to. Final score UK 24 - UC 11 and 15 made field goals on 31 attempts.

[xubrew]

Interesting, you would thought it would’ve been when they implemented the 45 second clock. Guess some remembered Dean Smith’s four corner offensive. As that type of game was brutal to watch, nothing compares to the 1983 UC UK game I went to. Final score UK 24 - UC 11 and 15 made field goals on 31 attempts.

Oh I'm sure there were certainly games and teams that slowed it down to the point of wanting to make people set their heads on fire. As a whole, the general pace was faster. Which is kind of interesting. The only thing I can think of is that before you had 35 seconds to shoot, they saw no point in running the clock down.

[xubrew]

The slate of games tonight is less than stellar.

Seattle v Wazzu is kind of interesting. Seattle had a pretty good team last year until they lost seemingly all their starters to injury. They are healthy again this year, and may be good enough to beat a crappy P5 team on the road.

Actually...what am I saying?? No one really cares about that but me.

[Muskie]

Seattle v Wazzu is kind of interesting. Seattle had a pretty good team last year until they lost seemingly all their starters to injury. They are healthy again this year, and may be good enough to beat a crappy P5 team on the road.

Actually...what am I saying?? No one really cares about that but me.

Brew, that game is way past my bedtime.

[GoMuskies]

Seattle v Wazzu is kind of interesting. Seattle had a pretty good team last year until they lost seemingly all their starters to injury. They are healthy again this year, and may be good enough to beat a crappy P5 team on the road.

Actually...what am I saying?? No one really cares about that but me.

I took Seattle +3.5 on your recommendation. I hope that $25 weighs heavily on you if the (whatever Seattle's mascot is) don't cover!

[X-band '01]

Redhawks (formerly Chieftains)

I have no life to remember things like that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Xavier non con opponents:

Tues:
Western Carolina loses
Towson wins (beats GW)
Lipscomb wins
Sienna wins
Missouri St loses

Wed:
UC loses
Green Bay loses
Wake loses
Mizzou wins

Thurs:
TCU wins

[xubrew]

Seattle v Wazzu is kind of interesting. Seattle had a pretty good team last year until they lost seemingly all their starters to injury. They are healthy again this year, and may be good enough to beat a crappy P5 team on the road.

Actually...what am I saying?? No one really cares about that but me.

Well, so much for that...

[smileyy]

Seattle v Wazzu is kind of interesting. Seattle had a pretty good team last year until they lost seemingly all their starters to injury. They are healthy again this year, and may be good enough to beat a crappy P5 team on the road.

Actually...what am I saying?? No one really cares about that but me.

Not even I care about that

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tonight:
Jacksonville won
Towson won
Mizzou won

[Xavgrad08]

Northwestern lost the season opener to Merrimack. This might be a historically bad power 5 team. Even by Northwestern standards.

[xubrew]

Nebraska might be just as bad or worse.

[sirthought]

Not sure that this says much, but a score jumped out at me today.

Central Michigan 134
Mississippi Valley State 78

Seven players from CMU scored in double figures, including one guy with 30 points. 50% from the field.

[X-band '01]

That's an improvement for MVSU - they lost by 95 at Utah last week.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sat:
Western Carolina won
Lipscomb lost
Green Bay won

Sun:
Wake won
MO State won

[xubrew]

That's an improvement for MVSU - they lost by 95 at Utah last week.

Mississippi Valley State lost by 56 to Central Michigan.....and it was a substantial improvement!!

[GoMuskies]

Have we even talked about this James Wiseman situation on here? That whole situation is going to be crazy. Penny and Memphis essentially have nothing to lose, so they're apparently going to fight the NCAA tooth and nail. If the NCAA later declares Wiseman ineligible and strips them of all their wins, Memphis just shrugs and remembers the good times, I guess. They could be the first team to win a national championship knowing they shouldn't even order a banner because it's coming down.

[Xville]

Have we even talked about this James Wiseman situation on here? That whole situation is going to be crazy. Penny and Memphis essentially have nothing to lose, so they're apparently going to fight the NCAA tooth and nail. If the NCAA later declares Wiseman ineligible and strips them of all their wins, Memphis just shrugs and remembers the good times, I guess. They could be the first team to win a national championship knowing they shouldn't even order a banner because it's coming down.

The only thing that would shock me about this, is if Hardaway only gave him or the family the 11,500. I'm guessing it's more in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

To me, I just shrug and say meh. Schools have been cheating for decades and the ncaa picks and chooses who they punish, so at this point I dont really care.

[Masterofreality]

I just think it is incredibly hilarious that the self-declared #Pow6r conference is not only imploding from departures- UConn- but also internally from poorly disguised recruiting cheating.
UConn couldn't get out fast enough. The Yellow Toothed Gnome and SucKS AD Mike Bohn couldn't leave quick enough, Wichita State has become pedestrian as soon as they enter the league, now Memphis is going to be hit with stuff and maybe have to vacate wins.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

HA!

[noteggs]

Sure cheating has been a problem with college athletes for decades. However sounds like this payment was to move Wiseman to a HS that Penny coached. Shouldn’t we draw the line somewhere?

[GoMuskies]

Sure cheating has been a problem with college athletes for decades. However sounds like this payment was to move Wiseman to a HS that Penny coached. Shouldn’t we draw the line somewhere?

Is that worse than handing out cash? (Or hookers? LOL)

[sirthought]

Sure cheating has been a problem with college athletes for decades. However sounds like this payment was to move Wiseman to a HS that Penny coached. Shouldn’t we draw the line somewhere?

I can't tell if your line means this falls on the side of acceptable or unacceptable.

I feel that given the circumstances at that time, this is acceptable. I'm sure the high school's competition didn't think it was fair.

[GoMuskies]

I can't tell if your line means this falls on the side of acceptable or unacceptable.

I feel that given the circumstances at that time, this is acceptable. I'm sure the high school's competition didn't think it was fair.

Agree. Seems like he should have been ineligible for high school competition. For college? A stretch. Had the Tubby experience already turned into a dumpster fire at that point?

[xubrew]

Agree. Seems like he should have been ineligible for high school competition. For college? A stretch. Had the Tubby experience already turned into a dumpster fire at that point?

I thought he was ineligible for high school competition.

[xubrew]

I don't know how this is going to play out, but I think Memphis is shooting themselves in the face. Not the foot. The FACE!

If a school has a player that is ruled ineligible for a stupid or unfair reason, I would totally respect them if they decided to make a statement and made the decision to let that player play anyway and just accept whatever consequences come of it. If that's what Memphis is doing, then okay (I guess). But if they actually think they're going to get away with this, I believe they are very seriously mistaken. When a school plays an ineligible player on accident it can be a big mess. When they do it on purpose, especially after they've been advised that a player is likely ineligible, that's facing down a loaded shotgun. If they know that and did it anyway, then I can actually respect them wanting to take a stand. If they did it thinking that the NCAA couldn't or wouldn't do anything to them, then OH BOY are they about to go for a ride!!

[scoscox]

I don't know how this is going to play out, but I think Memphis is shooting themselves in the face. Not the foot. The FACE!

If a school has a player that is ruled ineligible for a stupid or unfair reason, I would totally respect them if they decide to make a statement made the decision to let that player play anyway and just accept whatever consequences come of it. If that's what Memphis is doing, then okay (I guess). But if they actually think they're going to get away with this, I believe they are very seriously mistaken. When a school plays in ineligible player on accident it can be a big mess. When they do it on purpose, especially after they've been advised that a player is likely ineligible, that's facing down a loaded shotgun. If they know that and did it anyway, then I can actually respect them wanting to take a stand. If they did it thinking that the NCAA couldn't or wouldn't do anything to them, then OH BOY are they about to go for a ride!!

Agreed. Seems really dumb

[GoMuskies]

Agreed. Seems really dumb

Honestly, what does Memphis have to lose? They don't get the #1 player/#1 recruiting class too often. This whole operation is likely to go downhill anyway. May as well make hay while the making is good.

[scoscox]

Honestly, what does Memphis have to lose? They don't get the #1 player/#1 recruiting class too often. This whole operation is likely to go downhill anyway. May as well make hay while the making is good.

They could have the season vacated, lose their postseason and maybe get some future penalties. why not just hold him out a few games until you find out what the deal is? not like you need him right now.

on the other hand they could get away with it completely, like everyone seems to these days and make me look like an idiot.

[Xville]

I don't know how this is going to play out, but I think Memphis is shooting themselves in the face. Not the foot. The FACE!

If a school has a player that is ruled ineligible for a stupid or unfair reason, I would totally respect them if they decided to make a statement and made the decision to let that player play anyway and just accept whatever consequences come of it. If that's what Memphis is doing, then okay (I guess). But if they actually think they're going to get away with this, I believe they are very seriously mistaken. When a school plays an ineligible player on accident it can be a big mess. When they do it on purpose, especially after they've been advised that a player is likely ineligible, that's facing down a loaded shotgun. If they know that and did it anyway, then I can actually respect them wanting to take a stand. If they did it thinking that the NCAA couldn't or wouldn't do anything to them, then OH BOY are they about to go for a ride!!

Why should they care? F the ncaa. They pick and choose who gets in trouble, and if you fall on the sword, you get effed worse than if you just give the ncaa the middle finger.

I mean what's going to.happen to memphis? They will have to forfeit some wins or possibly take down a final four or championship banner? Who gives a crap...still doesnt mean it didnt happen. Louisville is really suffering with their current top 5 ranking and winning a championship in 2013.

Not that I want Xavier to do it, but cheaters win in this sport and dont really ever get punished which is why people continue to cheat. Unc makes fake classes, duke gives zion and his family bags of cash...nothing happens.

[xubrew]

Honestly, what does Memphis have to lose? They don't get the #1 player/#1 recruiting class too often. This whole operation is likely to go downhill anyway. May as well make hay while the making is good.

I would imagine they'd get slapped with lack of institutional control. Doing something you're not supposed to do and getting caught is bad, but I think being told not to do something and just brazenly doing it anyway is worse, so you may see some show causes as well. You're potentially risking your career. Now, again, if it means that much to them that they're willing to take that kind of a risk, then I can respect that. And, it's not like Penny Hardaway won't have other options and won't still be a millionaire (although I'm not so sure about Veatch). If they did this thinking that no shit would fall on them, then they may be in for a shock.

[GoMuskies]

I think if they punt to the NCAA they are never going to have another recruiting class like this. And even if they eventually lose and get the institutional control thrown at them, the NCAA can't REALLY take this season away from them. They're going to play the games, and if they win a championship they're going to celebrate their championship no matter what the NCAA says or does. I suppose the NCAA could keep them out of the Tournament, but that seems unlikely to happen mid-season.

[xubrew]

Why should they care? F the ncaa. They pick and choose who gets in trouble, and if you fall on the sword, you get effed worse than if you just give the ncaa the middle finger.

I mean what's going to.happen to memphis? They will have to forfeit some wins or possibly take down a final four or championship banner? Who gives a crap...still doesnt mean it didnt happen. Louisville is really suffering with their current top 5 ranking and winning a championship in 2013.

Not that I want Xavier to do it, but cheaters win in this sport and dont really ever get punished which is why people continue to cheat. Unc makes fake classes, duke gives zion and his family bags of cash...nothing happens.

I think Memphis is a lot more like UNLV than they are Louisville. They never exactly bounced back. But even if Memphis is able to bounce back, it's very unlikely that the individual key players ever will. Rick Pitino, Tom Jurich, and Andre McGee are basically done. It's highly unlikely that they'll ever coach or work in college athletics again. To me, that's not worth it; not so much because of what might happen to Memphis, but because of what would happen to them personally.

[scoscox]

I think Memphis is a lot more like UNLV than they are Louisville.

Disagree. There was no institutional support for basketball at UNLV. Memphis is basketball crazy

[X-band '01]

Didn't Wiseman get cleared in May by the NCAA? That tells me one of two things:

1) The NCAA prematurely cleared him when they were still investigating his eligibility, or
2) Someone blew the whistle on Memphis and waited until a time when they could potentially do the most damage to Memphis.

I'm not in the Wiseman-is-a-camp, but there's something that stinks to high heaven going on here.

[Lloyd Braun]

Winthrop beat St. Marys which is significant ...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tonight:
Towson lost
UC won
Jacksonville lost

[GoMuskies]

Winthrop beat St. Marys which is significant ...

Congrats to Coach Kelsey. I think I saw them as 18.5 point dogs when I was browsing lines earlier.

[Lloyd Braun]

Congrats to Coach Kelsey. I think I saw them as 18.5 point dogs when I was browsing lines earlier.

I saw 19.5 and a +1500. Which is significant for those that bet on the Kelseys tonight. I fully expect a regression to those that decide to bet X on a whim tomorrow...

[scoscox]

Congrats to Coach Kelsey. I think I saw them as 18.5 point dogs when I was browsing lines earlier.

Not to take away from kels, but St. Mary's definitely seems to have been overrated. still a great win regardless

[scoscox]

Not to take away from kels, but St. Mary's definitely seems to have been overrated. still a great win regardless

to this point, this was winthrop's first road win against a top 25 team in program history

[waggy]

There were accusations floated by Tubby, that Hardaway wanted his job and was stopping the flow of memphis area HS recruits.

[xubrew]

to this point, this was winthrop's first road win against a top 25 team in program history

Winthrop wasn't even expected to be a Big South frontrunner by that many people. SMC may be overrated like you said, but Winthrop did play really well, and like you said they almost picked up another road win at Fresno State just a few nights ago. At the very least they are a lot better than what most were expecting.

[Masterofreality]

There were accusations floated by Tubby, that Hardaway wanted his job and was stopping the flow of memphis area HS recruits.

Never forget that Memphis is a product of Convict USA, just like SucKS. They seem to have even less interest in cleaning up their long term mess.
Memphis has a long history of disgraceful behavior, and even worse, tolerating it.

The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is a joke.

[xubrew]

This doesn't pertain directly to Memphis or the NCAA, but it's still probably not a good sign...

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/james-wiseman-loses-eligibility-battle-with-tennessee-high-school-association/x6lai71dmg8l12krdiwas03kb

[GoMuskies]

This doesn't pertain directly to Memphis or the NCAA, but it's still probably not a good sign...

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/james-wiseman-loses-eligibility-battle-with-tennessee-high-school-association/x6lai71dmg8l12krdiwas03kb

I'm sure Memphis is hoping it turns out the same way. The Tennessee high school athletic association won the ruling and then essentially shrugged.

[paulxu]

Speaking of Tubby, he had his High Point team at Wofford Saturday night...and lost by 28.

[X-band '01]

Never forget that Memphis is a product of Convict USA, just like SucKS. They seem to have even less interest in cleaning up their long term mess.
Memphis has a long history of disgraceful behavior, and even worse, tolerating it.

The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is a joke.


This doesn't pertain directly to Memphis or the NCAA, but it's still probably not a good sign...

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/james-wiseman-loses-eligibility-battle-with-tennessee-high-school-association/x6lai71dmg8l12krdiwas03kb

OTOH, it's going to be fun watching Memphis play the whole season with both middle fingers raised at the NCAA.

[usfldan]

Down goes #1 UK.

[paulxu]

Wonder how much $ Evansville were paid to beat Kentucky.

[xubrew]

Wonder how much $ Evansville were paid to beat Kentucky.

I think it was $170k, but that was the special Walter McCarty rate. Kentucky typically pays more than the normal rate if they like you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Last night:

Western Carolina won
Sienna won
Missouri State won
Lipscomb lost
TCU won

[xubrew]

Some more trivia on Evansville over Kentucky...

It's the first time since the 1992-1993 season that a team from one of the 22 conferences that regularly get one bid (I HATE the term mid-major) beat the #1 ranked team in a true road game. I didn't know that until someone told me that.

Evansville was a 24pt underdog. UMBC was just a 20pt underdog when they knocked off Virginia.

It's not the kind of upset you see very often.

[GoMuskies]

The MVC really only became that kind of league in the last several years with Creighton and Wichita State departing. But man did they become that type of league with a vengeance. Last year the auto bid from the Valley got a 15 seed, right? Brutal what that league has become.

Evansville is expected to be terrible, but with the win last night they'll have every opportunity to build an at-large resume this year.

[Masterofreality]

Some more trivia on Evansville over Kentucky...

It's the first time since the 1992-1993 season that a team from one of the 22 conferences that regularly get one bid (I HATE the term mid-major) beat the #1 ranked team in a true road game. I didn't know that until someone told me that.

Evansville was a 24pt underdog. UMBC was just a 20pt underdog when they knocked off Virginia.

It's not the kind of upset you see very often.

Let us not forget that that was basically the same Evansville team that came into Cintas last November 2018 and gave Xavier a game and X won 91-85.
Noteworthy in that game was the fact that Q was thrown out of the game for a flagrant 2 foul with 15 minutes left in the second half and the game tied. Hanky McSpanky and Tyrique had a fantastic game as did Paul Scruggs, but man that Aces team could and still can shoot the rock. As long as you can shoot, you always have a punchers chance. Also, I'm sure the only reason UK gave Evansville a game was because of alum Walter MCarty, who, by the way, is proving himself to be a helluva coach. He won't be at Evansville long.


The MVC really only became that kind of league in the last several years with Creighton and Wichita State departing. But man did they become that type of league with a vengeance. Last year the auto bid from the Valley got a 15 seed, right? Brutal what that league has become.

Evansville is expected to be terrible, but with the win last night they'll have every opportunity to build an at-large resume this year.

Please do not forget that my Loyola Ramblers made the Final Four, our Promised Land, 2 years ago. They are in the Valley.

[GoMuskies]

Please do not forget that my Loyola Ramblers made the Final Four, our Promised Land, 2 years ago. They are in the Valley.

They did. That miracle run does not change the fact that the MVC went from excellent mid-major to dumpster fire with a quickness.

[GoMuskies]

[B]Let us not forget that that was basically the same Evansville team that came into Cintas last November 2018 and gave Xavier a game and X won 91-85.

Yes, the same Evansville team that was 11-21 and came in last in the horrible MVC. They sucked.

Also, they didn't shoot well yesterday. They were 9-30 from behind the arc. Granted, to us Xavier fans that sounds pretty good. :)

[AviatorX]

They did. That miracle run does not change the fact that the MVC went from excellent mid-major to dumpster fire with a quickness.

Loyola now chipping in to the dumpster fire by losing to Coppin State, who hadn't won a non-conference game against a D-1 opponent in several years. I certainly hope Porter Moser didn't actually turn any offers down a few years ago.

[Masterofreality]

Loyola now chipping in to the dumpster fire by losing to Coppin State, who hadn't won a non-conference game against a D-1 opponent in several years. I certainly hope Porter Moser didn't actually turn any offers down a few years ago.

Yeah, and that is a disaster- especially for my Season Ticket Holder Daughter, husband and their kids. :(

[UCGRAD4X]

It seems like Kentucky does this every year or so early in the season - losing to somebody they have no business losing to - but the Purple Aces...at home... EPIC!

[GoMuskies]

MOR's favorite VCU knocked off #23 LSU.

[Masterofreality]

MOR's favorite VCU knocked off #23 LSU.

No fan of LSU, but #$@%@&*@(@?@#%#$.

Actually, while I'll never be a fan of VCU, the fact that they will NEVER be considered for the Big East makes me just disregard them now. I also hated Shaka, and still do, but just like with udump, VCU is an afterthought now.
LSU and Will Wade should be on a 5 year, no post season, probation. That was a game of Satan vs Beelzebub

[xubrew]

I think it was $170k, but that was the special Walter McCarty rate. Kentucky typically pays more than the normal rate if they like you.

It was $90k. My mistake

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tonight:
Wake won
Green Bay lost

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wiseman again deemed ineligible, Memphis is going to keep him out of games and is applying for reinstatement.

[GoMuskies]

Towson is giving the Gators a run as of the half. That's of interest.

[bobbiemcgee]

Towson was a 17 pt. dog and took the Gators to the last minute.

[GIMMFD]

Wiseman again deemed ineligible, Memphis is going to keep him out of games and is applying for reinstatement.

This is a rollercoaster that doesn't seem to have an end any time soon, without Wiseman, Memphis is not even as close to as good as they could be. They'll still be solid, and a tough out, I was impressed against a pretty good Oregon team, but it's pretty hard to replace the number 1 recruit in the country. Who would have thought Penny's relationship with him would have ended up being his demise.

Not too much of interest on the slate tonight, obviously will be watching X, but will be flipping back and forth to the WVU/Pitt game, because.. well Eat Shit Pitt. Capel really has done well with the mess he inherited there, was surprised to see the line at only 2.5 for WVU, Pitt looks more balanced offensively, even though Xavier Johnson is definitely a helluva player. Kind of excited to see Oscar Tshiewbe and Derek Culver together in the front court for WVU as well... another decent game might be Gonzaga vs Texas A&M, A&M have a decent roster with Flagg, Nebo, and Chandler, not to mention resident douchebag Buzz Williams has taken over now, wonder how competitive they can be against a top 10 Gonzaga team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Last night:
Towson lost (as stated previously but kept it close)
Sienna lost
UC won (speaking of which, what is going on with Cumberland and Brannen??)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tonight:
Western Carolina lost (by 5 to FSU)
Lipscomb lost
Jacksonville won

[scoscox]

wow, byu beats houston on a step back jumper by tj haws at the buzzer that bounced off the front of the rim straight up in the air and dropped in

[D-West & PO-Z]

Last night:
Jacksonville won

[Masterofreality]

And my Loyola Ramblers right the ship by racing past St Joes...after a cataclysmic loss to freaking Coppin State. The same St Joes that went to UConn and beat them this week.
Loyola will be up and down early because they're playing a young backcourt, and Krutwig can't do it all because he's getting packed in on, but watching the game yesterday, their young guards Kennedy & Wojcik have real talent. They'll be tough in February. Can't count them out in the Valley.

[usfldan]

What would JP say about this?:

https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1195540183317397504

[scoscox]

What would JP say about this?:

https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1195540183317397504

the level of controversy this totally inconsequential play has generated blows my mind

[American X]

What would JP say about this?:

https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1195540183317397504


My hero. He does not care even more than Mick Cronin Lite.

[X-band '01]

What would JP say about this?:

https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1195540183317397504

Jesse Newell is the KC equivalent of Paul Daugherty.

[xubrew]

Florida's offense is so bad that I'm pretty sure it is in violation of federal law.

[GoMuskies]

Florida's offense is so bad that I'm pretty sure it is in violation of federal law.

So you're saying a Xavier/Florida game in Charleston might not be a thing of beauty?

[xubrew]

So you're saying a Xavier/Florida game in Charleston might not be a thing of beauty?

Yeah, if you're going to Charleston, just go to Folly Beach. Don't go anywhere near that game!

[X-band '01]

Just like UC, bet the under (even if it's only about 80).

[scoscox]

speaking of teams that are underperforming preseason expectations... florida... woof

[X-band '01]

Lots of new pieces at Florida - if Xavier does play them in Charleston, now's the time.

[GoMuskies]

Odd anyway that UConn and Florida played today given that they may play again later this week.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Last night:
Jacksonville lost
Wake lost

[xubrew]

Odd anyway that UConn and Florida played today given that they may play again later this week.

It might be a "campus game" for that same tournament. The rules are that you can play up to four games within twelve days, so if it's an eight team bracketed tournament then sometimes teams will schedule each other in a non bracketed game to get an extra game out of the deal.

[GoMuskies]

It might be a "campus game" for that same tournament. The rules are that you can play up to four games within twelve days, so if it's an eight team bracketed tournament then sometimes teams will schedule each other in a non bracketed game to get an extra game out of the deal.

Yes, but it's pretty unusual for the higher profile teams in those tournaments to play each other in "campus games", no?

[94GRAD]

It might be a "campus game" for that same tournament. The rules are that you can play up to four games within twelve days, so if it's an eight team bracketed tournament then sometimes teams will schedule each other in a non bracketed game to get an extra game out of the deal.

I believe Florida played its campus game against Towson.

[nuts4xu]

I believe Florida played its campus game against Towson.

It was a close game too. Florida won by 6

[AviatorX]

I believe Florida played its campus game against Towson.

And UCONN played St. Joes in their campus game. Probably just a home and home - based on the broadcast yesterday, seems like they've played a few over the years (Napier hit a buzzer beater to beat Florida in 2013 and then wrecked them in the Final Four that same year).

Just one of those random semi-regular home and homes, like Xavier and Mizzou, who have seemingly played for 38 straight seasons.

[xubrew]

Yes, but it's pretty unusual for the higher profile teams in those tournaments to play each other in "campus games", no?

I guess it depends on if there are 8 teams with no campus games, or 12 teams with four teams that don't play in the main bracket games. I remember when we were in the Orlando tournament there were no campus games, so half of them ended up scheduling each other to get the extra game.

[xubrew]

I believe Florida played its campus game against Towson.


And UCONN played St. Joes in their campus game. Probably just a home and home - based on the broadcast yesterday, seems like they've played a few over the years (Napier hit a buzzer beater to beat Florida in 2013 and then wrecked them in the Final Four that same year).

Just one of those random semi-regular home and homes, like Xavier and Mizzou, who have seemingly played for 38 straight seasons.

That makes sense. So, to GO's point I guess it was kinda strange that they scheduled each other.

[xubrew]

What a fantastically awful pun!!!

https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/1196791068580339713

[GoMuskies]

They very nearly WAC'd them off to completion. Kentucky is struggling.

[Xville]

They very nearly WAC'd them off to completion. Kentucky is struggling.

This is one area I'll give Cal some props. This seems to happen early with kentucky seemingly every year due to the large influx of freshmen. They struggle, but by the middle to the end of the season, they look great and at least go to the second weekend in march. That's impressive to me that he is able to keep that many young attitudes in check and get them to play together. Really the only season I remember this not happening was the nerlens noel year when they ended up in the nit.

[GoMuskies]

Kentucky fans hate Cal right now. They didn't bring him in to win one national title and go to three Final Fours (and lose to Evansville like he's Billy Gillispie). If he was going to completely change the identity of Kentucky basketball (it's about creating generational wealth! calling an NBA draft night the best night in Kentucky basketball history), Kentucky fans were only going to be on board if it meant overwhelming amounts of success. He needs another Anthony Davis or another undefeated team to calm the unrest.

[xubrew]

I'm sure there were Kentucky fans that wanted to fire Cal at the end of regulation of their Elite Eight game against Auburn. He shouldn't need overtime to get to the Final Four.

[bleedXblue]

His "program" and "strategy" are not going to win multiple national championships. He needs some guys to stick around for 2-3 years. Not everyone can go pro after 1 year...I just don't see it working out. Sure, they are great players but continuity and familiarity with the tourney and tough games is learned through experience.......

[Masterofreality]

Jon “Water Boy” Rothstein with the “Stupid Tweet of the Week”.

“Kentucky's performances against both Evansville and Utah Valley are a prime example of why many coaches HATE buy games. Nothing to gain. Everything to lose. Hard to motivate. #BBN”

Uh, Mickey Cronin worked “Buy games” into a job at UCLA. It certainly wasn’t his performance in the NCAA Tourney.

[Xville]

His "program" and "strategy" are not going to win multiple national championships. He needs some guys to stick around for 2-3 years. Not everyone can go pro after 1 year...I just don't see it working out. Sure, they are great players but continuity and familiarity with the tourney and tough games is learned through experience.......

Dont see what working out? Hes been to multiple final fours, won a title, been a runner up where he got Shabazz napiered. I'm not a kentucky or cal fan by any means, but I think it's worked out just fine, though probably not to the nutty uk fan standards.

[AviatorX]

Dont see what working out? Hes been to multiple final fours, won a title, been a runner up where he got Shabazz napiered. I'm not a kentucky or cal fan by any means, but I think it's worked out just fine, though probably not to the nutty uk fan standards.

I always love this "debate."

305 wins in 10 seasons, Elite 8 or better 60% of the time (including one national title and one runner up) and the most players of any school on NBA rosters (racking up approximately $2 billion (this is a real number) in NBA contracts).

Not working out at all!

Honestly, my description doesn't really do it justice when you think of how tight the Wisconsin FF and UNC E8 games were. UK is a hair away from those numbers being even more insane.

[GoMuskies]

UK fans aren't close to happy about the way things are going. Particularly the way things are trending.

[Xville]

UK fans aren't close to happy about the way things are going. Particularly the way things are trending.

True..but that just proves what we all know...uk fans are effing morons.

[bleedXblue]

Dont see what working out? Hes been to multiple final fours, won a title, been a runner up where he got Shabazz napiered. I'm not a kentucky or cal fan by any means, but I think it's worked out just fine, though probably not to the nutty uk fan standards.

I never said he wasn't wildly successful. I said winning national championships with his strategy is hard to do. There's a big difference.

If just a handful of those players would have opted to stay another year, he would very likely have 3-4 national championships over that span.

And yes, UK fans are total morons........

[Xville]

I never said he wasn't wildly successful. I said winning national championships with his strategy is hard to do. There's a big difference.

If just a handful of those players would have opted to stay another year, he would very likely have 3-4 national championships over that span.

And yes, UK fans are total morons........

I just think it's hard to win a championship no matter what the strategy...this one and done has been in effect for what 13 seasons and this "strategy" has two titles 1 kentucky and 1 duke. Not horrible.

[GoMuskies]

I just think it's hard to win a championship no matter what the strategy...this one and done has been in effect for what 13 seasons and this "strategy" has two titles 1 kentucky and 1 duke. Not horrible.

That's the same number of titles that Villanova has in that stretch. I think Kentucky and Dook fans would disagree about the not horrible part.

[XUGRAD80]

Just wondering how many of those saying that UK fans are “upset” or “not happy” actually live in KY and have daily dealings with UK fans? Or are they just reading some message boards and some sports opinion writers?

Sure, UK fans want to win the championship every year, and that’s what they feel the goal is every year. But I’m not hearing any conversations from friends and family members calling for Cal’s head or looking to make a change. Only winning the championship every year is going to totally satisfy the most ardent UK fans, but the fans I know (and I do live here and have for 30 years) are pretty reasonable and know that it’s not going to happen every year. They want it to, but they understand that in today’s world that it’s not going to happen. I hear nothing in the way of any negative talk about Coach Cal from the common fans.

[GoMuskies]

the fans I know (and I do live here and have for 30 years) are pretty reasonable

So all 8 of the reasonable ones live near you?

[X-band '01]

Jon “Water Boy” Rothstein with the “Stupid Tweet of the Week”.

“Kentucky's performances against both Evansville and Utah Valley are a prime example of why many coaches HATE buy games. Nothing to gain. Everything to lose. Hard to motivate. #BBN”

Uh, Mickey Cronin worked “Buy games” into a job at UCLA. It certainly wasn’t his performance in the NCAA Tourney.

I thought he moved to UCLA because he couldn't afford good buy games at UC. Funny how the Bearcats actually have a decent schedule under John Brannen this year.

[Xville]

Just wondering how many of those saying that UK fans are “upset” or “not happy” actually live in KY and have daily dealings with UK fans? Or are they just reading some message boards and some sports opinion writers?

Sure, UK fans want to win the championship every year, and that’s what they feel the goal is every year. But I’m not hearing any conversations from friends and family members calling for Cal’s head or looking to make a change. Only winning the championship every year is going to totally satisfy the most ardent UK fans, but the fans I know (and I do live here and have for 30 years) are pretty reasonable and know that it’s not going to happen every year. They want it to, but they understand that in today’s world that it’s not going to happen. I hear nothing in the way of any negative talk about Coach Cal from the common fans.

I live in Louisville and my in laws are all uk fans and season ticket holders. They are not happy with cal...I also sell in the lexington territory and deal with uk fans on a daily basis, they aren't happy.

[paulxu]

So if UK dumps him, he goes to (insert name of school here).
Then all the recruits follow him since he can get them in the NBA.

[GoMuskies]

UK isn't going to dump him. Their fans are just going to grumble about him until they get to another Final Four.

[GIMMFD]

UK isn't going to dump him. Their fans are just going to grumble about him until they get to another Final Four.

And then grumble more when they lose in the Final 4 lol.

[scoscox]

I live in Louisville and my in laws are all uk fans and season ticket holders. They are not happy with cal...I also sell in the lexington territory and deal with uk fans on a daily basis, they aren't happy.

the few UK fans that I know are not exactly enamored of Cal. definitely don't want him fired, but they're definitely not totally happy with him

[xubrew]

I’ve heard the terms “Flop Warning” and “Class B technical” way too many times in the last two weeks. How long before this isn’t new anymore and the commentators no longer feel compelled to explain it?

[xubrew]

A Belmont player was t’d up for sticking his tongue out at the crowd after hitting a 3 against Lipscomb. I believe that is a first.

It was a class A technical, BTW.

[xubrew]

James Wiseman is being suspended for 12 games, including the two that he's already sat out, and will return to Memphis on January 12th. People who hate Memphis are saying they got off easy and that the NCAA has no backbone. Memphis fans are whining about how they got totally screwed. So, everyone's reaction to this is what most of us would have predicted.

[GIMMFD]

James Wiseman is being suspended for 12 games, including the two that he's already sat out, and will return to Memphis on January 12th. People who hate Memphis are saying they got off easy and that the NCAA has no backbone. Memphis fans are whining about how they got totally screwed. So, everyone's reaction to this is what most of us would have predicted.

The weirdest part about that is that the NCAA is requiring Wiseman to pay $11,5000 to a charity of his choice..... if he's supposed to not be earning money, how is he supposed to donate to a charity? The NCAA truly is such a weirdly dumb organization.

[xubrew]

The weirdest part about that is that the NCAA is requiring Wiseman to pay $11,5000 to a charity of his choice..... if he's supposed to not be earning money, how is he supposed to donate to a charity? The NCAA truly is such a weirdly dumb organization.

He probably won't pay it. He has four years to do it and since he's only going to be playing for one he'll just leave and not pay it. But, that is the standard course of action for improper benefits. You're supposed to give back whatever you got that you weren't supposed to get.

[GoMuskies]

Good Lord, he's going to be making millions over the next four years. Whether he bothers to tell the NCAA about it or not, I sure as hell hope he manages to cough up 11 grand to charity over the next four years!

[xubrew]

Good Lord, he's going to be making millions over the next four years. Whether he bothers to tell the NCAA about it or not, I sure as hell hope he manages to cough up 11 grand to charity over the next four years!

Good point!

[AviatorX]

Good Lord, he's going to be making millions over the next four years. Whether he bothers to tell the NCAA about it or not, I sure as hell hope he manages to cough up 11 grand to charity over the next four years!

Solid tax write off from that top of the rookie scale contract.

[Muskie]

James Wiseman is being suspended for 12 games, including the two that he's already sat out, and will return to Memphis on January 12th. People who hate Memphis are saying they got off easy and that the NCAA has no backbone. Memphis fans are whining about how they got totally screwed. So, everyone's reaction to this is what most of us would have predicted.


Read a great article on the situation. (Link (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/11/20/memphis-could-not-have-handled-the-james-wiseman-situation-more-poorly/)). What did Memphis think was going to happen?

[xubrew]

Read a great article on the situation. (Link (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/11/20/memphis-could-not-have-handled-the-james-wiseman-situation-more-poorly/)). What did Memphis think was going to happen?

My guess was that he was done for the year. Sometimes when it's that much money (over $10k) players simply do not get reinstated. He'll miss some of the bigger games on the schedule, but it looks like he'll play in enough to where Memphis will still be in pretty good shape come March. It could have been worse. The NCAA told Memphis he was "likely ineligible" and they played him anyway. Had they continued to play him after the NCAA declared him to be full blown ineligible, he would have never stepped on the court again, everyone involved in making that decision would have been in serious trouble, and Memphis may have been watching the NCAA Tournament on television for the next several years. (Which, I guess, is what they've been doing for the past several years, so...)

Having said that, I totally agree with the article's point. Wiseman is who is getting punished the most despite the fact that he was least at fault. Nothing really happened to any of the grown-ups who were at fault.

[xubrew]

The exempt tournaments (or MTEs as they're now called) are underway!

This is the busiest week and a half of the season. There are more games over the next ten days than there are during any point in March. A lot of them are unique match-ups between teams that normally don't play each other, and they're played in unique settings. So, it's GREAT if you love college hoops!

[GIMMFD]

The exempt tournaments (or MTEs as they're now called) are underway!

This is the busiest week and a half of the season. There are more games over the next ten days than there are during any point in March. A lot of them are unique match-ups between teams that normally don't play each other, and they're played in unique settings. So, it's GREAT if you love college hoops!

Decided to throw in a DraftKings entry, so have some rooting interest in UCONN/Buffalo, but also Texas/G'Town should be interesting, should be a pretty fun week for college ball!!

[xubrew]

I'm not sure if what Nova is doing to Middle Tennessee should be legal. It is a balls-smashing.

[Xville]

What miami is doing to mo state has me a bit concerned about x. Miami is at best a mid level acc team.

[xubrew]

What miami is doing to mo state has me a bit concerned about x. Miami is at best a mid level acc team.

Just about everything X has done so far should have you concerned about X. Maybe they just don't like the state of Missouri, but those were two really ugly games. Fortunately, both were wins, though.

[Xville]

Just about everything X has done so far should have you concerned about X.

True..I just thought eye test wise mo state was pretty good. As it turns out, x is just not good right now.

[Xville]

Well,mo state has certainly fought back.

[xubrew]

MO State made this worth watching! If they were to play for another two minutes, they'd probably end up winning it.

[AviatorX]

True..I just thought eye test wise mo state was pretty good. As it turns out, x is just not good right now.

Saw the final today was close (didn't see any of the game), but I agree I though Mo St. actually looked pretty solid eye test. Wouldn't be shocked if they just roll the weak MVC.

[xubrew]

Saw the final today was close (didn't see any of the game), but I agree I though Mo St. actually looked pretty solid eye test. Wouldn't be shocked if they just roll the weak MVC.

I'd kind of be shocked if they didn't.

[GoMuskies]

I'd kind of be shocked if they didn't.

Are you ready to fight MOR over this take?

[X-band '01]

Hofstra ended whatever honeymoon the YTG had with UCLA last night. Breaks my heart.

[xubrew]

Are you ready to fight MOR over this take?

No, I try not to get into fights unless I am absolutely certain that I can win them.

[murray87]

Hofstra ended whatever honeymoon the YTG had with UCLA last night. Breaks my heart.

Hofstra’s previous game was a 42-point blowout of New York Tech, an NCAA Division II opponent, but Cronin said the Pride was a difficult foe because they started three senior guards and took care of the basketball.

“We don’t have anywhere near the mental toughness that we need to have here,” Cronin said. “We just don’t have enough fortitude and they tested it tonight because they had only seven turnovers. They did an unbelievable job taking care of the ball.”

[Xville]

Hofstra’s previous game was a 42-point blowout of New York Tech, an NCAA Division II opponent, but Cronin said the Pride was a difficult foe because they started three senior guards and took care of the basketball.

“We don’t have anywhere near the mental toughness that we need to have here,” Cronin said. “We just don’t have enough fortitude and they tested it tonight because they had only seven turnovers. They did an unbelievable job taking care of the ball.”

Ah I see the cronin schtick is alive and well in Westwood. What a gawd awful hire by ucla. It is along the lines of florida state football hiring willie taggart.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hofstra ended whatever honeymoon the YTG had with UCLA last night. Breaks my heart.

And his presser was everything you would expect. Some throwing players under the bus, some refusal to answer reporter questions, etc. It was great.

[murray87]

And I saw attendance announced at 4,800 in the 12,800 seat Pauley Pavilion. He's really revved up that fan base.

[paulxu]

And his presser was everything you would expect. Some throwing players under the bus, some refusal to answer reporter questions, etc. It was great.

Wrong thread.

[American X]

Like clockwork, Cronin already trashed his own players for lack of toughness. New town, same goatfucker.

[GoMuskies]

Florida seems back to being good.

[GIMMFD]

Florida seems back to being good.

I didn't watch the game, but I saw where it was kind of close in the 2nd half halfway through, just a couple points, and then I guess Florida decided to turn it on and pull away?? I'm interested into seeing how Georgetown performs against Duke, would be a HUGE conference statement in the Hoyas could knock them off. Another semi-interesting game might be that Oregon/Houston match up.

[AviatorX]

Just want to reiterate that the Cincinnati Bearcats are currently playing a regular season basketball game that can only be viewed on FloHoops, the same service that provided mediocre coverage of Xavier's scrimmages in Spain this summer.

[GIMMFD]

Just want to reiterate that the Cincinnati Bearcats are currently playing a regular season basketball game that can only be viewed on FloHoops, the same service that provided mediocre coverage of Xavier's scrimmages in Spain this summer.

Remember when their head coach benched their star player? That was fun too.

[xubrew]

Just want to reiterate that the Cincinnati Bearcats are currently playing a regular season basketball game that can only be viewed on FloHoops, the same service that provided mediocre coverage of Xavier's scrimmages in Spain this summer.

It's the Paradise Jam.

[xubrew]

Merrimack, who is a transitional div1 team this year, beat someone 110-16 yesterday.

[X-band '01]

Just want to reiterate that the Cincinnati Bearcats are currently playing a regular season basketball game that can only be viewed on FloHoops, the same service that provided mediocre coverage of Xavier's scrimmages in Spain this summer.

That's a tournament that's becoming more and more focused on mid-major teams; CBS Sports Network won't cover the event anymore.

[GIMMFD]

That's a tournament that's becoming more and more focused on mid-major teams; CBS Sports Network won't cover the event anymore.

They had to beat some school I can't even remember off the top of my head on a game-winning shot by Cumberland with 8 seconds left as well.

[GoMuskies]

Illinois State. Typically a pretty good squad, but I have no idea what they have this year.

[UCGRAD4X]

Merrimack, who is a transitional div1 team this year, beat someone 110-16 yesterday.

Holy hoo hoo.

Did they play a grade school team?

Or maybe as a "transitional" team they are able to play a girls team because, well, they are 'transitioning' after all.

[scoscox]

crazy finish to the ole miss/memphis game

[D-West & PO-Z]

Merrimack, who is a transitional div1 team this year, beat someone 110-16 yesterday.

Was it a D 1 team?

If so my alma mater is off the hook for lowest points in a game in the shot clock era.

When I was in undergrad SLU only scored 20 points in a game, I believe against GW?

[xudash]

Evansville lost to GW at home!

[X-band '01]

It wasn't a home game - it was a consolation game in the Island of the Bahamas Classic.

Which now means that a team that won at Kentucky will be playing for seventh place tomorrow.

[usfldan]

Was it a D 1 team?

If so my alma mater is off the hook for lowest points in a game in the shot clock era.

When I was in undergrad SLU only scored 20 points in a game, I believe against GW?

It was the school from Cambridge, Mass... Lesley University, that is now 0-7 in Division III.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Man, you think our FT shooting is bad?

SLU is down 2 at home in seconf half to Belmont and SLU is 4/15 from the FT line. Ouch.

[D-West & PO-Z]

SLU has a big man, French, who is a monster though. I think he is a junior.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It was the school from Cambridge, Mass... Lesley University, that is now 0-7 in Division III.

HA, so the record is still safe!

[D-West & PO-Z]

SLU does manage to hang on and beat Belmont by 5 despite shooting 3/14 from three and 9/22 from the FT line. Makes us look great!

French for SLU has 21 pts, 24 rebounds, 7 blocks, 4 assists, 1 steal

[xubrew]

Ron Hunter can coach. Nice win for Tulane against Utah to get off to a 5-1 start. I know they haven’t played anyone for the most part, but they’re already better than what Tulane typically is.

[X Factor]

ASU currently up 38-36 on UVA with 8:18 left in the game! Virginia has scored 10 points the second half.

[GIMMFD]

ASU currently up 38-36 on UVA with 8:18 left in the game! Virginia has scored 10 points the second half.

That Remy Martin kid form ASU can really play, he's a treat to watch.

[scoscox]

uconn is making our win look very good right now. conversely, miami might be bad

[X-band '01]

ASU currently up 38-36 on UVA with 8:18 left in the game! Virginia has scored 10 points the second half.

Arizona State had a 19-0 run in the span of 8 minutes, but it wasn't enough to beat UVa. Nobody broke 50 in that game.

[Xville]

uconn is making our win look very good right now. conversely, miami might be bad

I think uconn is pretty good...borderline tourney team, I think miami kind of sucks.

[xubrew]

Since beating Kentucky, Evansville has lost at home to SMU, and then lost to both East Carolina and George Washington in the Island of the Bahamas. They did win the 7th place game today. Against Morgan State. In triple overtime. I'm a little disappointed that I can't upload pictures from this event, because it was the most pathetically small venues I've ever seen where div1 games were actually played and that is not hyperbole. There were no stands or bleachers. Just a singular row of folding chairs. It was INCREDIBLE!!

[Xavgrad08]

UC loses to a Mac school. Cumberland and Brannen are not on the same page. Is Cumberland not buying in? Something seems to be up in Clifton.

[scoscox]

UC loses to a Mac school. Cumberland and Brannen are not on the same page. Is Cumberland not buying in? Something seems to be up in Clifton.

cumberland plays bully ball. brannen is a skill coach. it'll be a clash

[xubrew]

From another perspective, it's a nice win for a Bowling Green team that's better than they've been in recent memory, and can hopefully end their 10 thousand year tournament drought, or whatever it is. I'm all for ragging on UC, but give some props to Bowling Green! I kinda like Michael Huger. It's been fun to watch that team over the last couple years.

[GIMMFD]

Since beating Kentucky, Evansville has lost at home to SMU, and then lost to both East Carolina and George Washington in the Island of the Bahamas. They did win the 7th place game today. Against Morgan State. In triple overtime. I'm a little disappointed that I can't upload pictures from this event, because it was the most pathetically small venues I've ever seen where div1 games were actually played and that is not hyperbole. There were no stands or bleachers. Just a singular row of folding chairs. It was INCREDIBLE!!

I'm pretty sure Barstool posted something about that tournament taking place inside a conference room at one of the hotels. That would be a sight to see, to say the very least.. Some decently interesting games today for the feast week beginning, Virginia Tech vs Michigan State, Kansas State vs Pitt seem like they'll be fun to watch, also hoping Georgia absolutely rolls the Cryers today.

[xubrew]

Duquesne won the Junkanoo Jam yesterday. It wasn't much of a tournament, but when was the last time Duquesne managed to win anything? They've got a really good chance at entering A10 play undefeated. Keith Dambrot has made them a lot better. I know they've still got a long way to go to be considered good, but they're not nearly as bad as they had been for about twenty straight years. It's kind of crazy how they just stumbled into hiring him.

[paulxu]

Nova and X were the only 2 ranked teams that lost yesterday. Ugh.

[xubrew]

Nova and X were the only 2 ranked teams that lost yesterday. Ugh.

Got two wins, one of which will probably turn out to be a good one. We've certainly done worse in some of these events.

[xubrew]

Dayton should restructure their schedule and play as many games in Maui as they can. In fact they should just play all of their home games out there.

[GoMuskies]

Maui is a really nice place. Why are you trying to ruin it?!?

[xubrew]

Maui is a really nice place. Why are you trying to ruin it?!?

Hey, I've got no plans to go there anytime soon, so why the hell should I care?

[X Factor]

Dayton has a couple of good point guards and Obi Toppin, who will be a lottery pick next year. He was a low level recruit, and they struck gold with him.

[xubrew]

If VA Tech wins this game then we can go ahead and make Mike Young the coach of the year. We don’t need to play the rest of the season.

[xubrew]

Cincinnati has struggled in every single game they’ve played in the Paradise Jam, and it ain’t exactly a loaded field.

[GIMMFD]

If VA Tech wins this game then we can go ahead and make Mike Young the coach of the year. We don’t need to play the rest of the season.

Give the man the award, brilliant stuff out of VT there, looking like a really solid hire after Buzz Williams jumped ship.

[X-band '01]

We saw last night the ringleader of Virginia Tech's team from last season in Kenny Blackshear. They had all 5 starters from last year leave along with Buzz Williams.

[X-band '01]

Oh, and Butler is neutering Missouri in KC as we speak.

[paulxu]

If VA Tech wins this game then we can go ahead and make Mike Young the coach of the year. We don’t need to play the rest of the season.

I watched Mike Young put together great, sound basketball teams at Wofford for years. (and had to put up with him at the super market every time I saw him remind me of the win at X).
Great guy and super coach.
He inherited not only an empty bucket at VTech, but a fan based convinced the school had let them down by not hiring a "big time" coach to replace Buzz.
So happy for him and his family.

[noteggs]

Give the man the award, brilliant stuff out of VT there, looking like a really solid hire after Buzz Williams jumped ship.

Hats off to VT and Young continues to look like a very good coach. MSU may or may not win the tournament, but who would’ve thought they’d start out with a 3-2 record after the preseason ranking.

[xubrew]

I watched Mike Young put together great, sound basketball teams at Wofford for years. (and had to put up with him at the super market every time I saw him remind me of the win at X).
Great guy and super coach.
He inherited not only an empty bucket at VTech, but a fan based convinced the school had let them down by not hiring a "big time" coach to replace Buzz.
So happy for him and his family.

Any VA Tech fan that wasn't excited about Mike Young is an idiot. They appeared to be such a train wreck that I'm kind of surprised he wanted to go there. Having said that, VA Tech is suddenly 6-0 with a win at Clemson, and a neutral floor win against Michigan State. I mean I know it's early, but that is consistent top 25 caliber play from a team that you accurately described as looking like an empty bucket coming into the year.

[X-band '01]

I watched Mike Young put together great, sound basketball teams at Wofford for years. (and had to put up with him at the super market every time I saw him remind me of the win at X).
Great guy and super coach.
He inherited not only an empty bucket at VTech, but a fan based convinced the school had let them down by not hiring a "big time" coach to replace Buzz.
So happy for him and his family.

He easily could have had two wins against Xavier if not for a kind replay review for the Muskies.

[xubrew]

UC and Valpo are going into overtime after Valpo missed two potential game winning shots at the buzzer. If we don’t blow UC’s doors off this year I’m going to be very concerned.

[X-band '01]

UC escapes, but none of their next two games (UNLV and Vermont) are gimmes at all.

[xubrew]

I think I like November more than March. I like March a lot, but in November it's the first time you're seeing real teams play against other real teams, and it's match-ups that you normally don't ever see at any other point in the season. Richmond and Wisconsin (and a million other match-ups like it) would almost never play under any other circumstance, much less on equal terms. And, for about a week and a half, there are just SOOOO many games. There are actually far fewer games in March because once a team loses they don't keep playing.

You get a smattering of good games before and after the exempt tournaments. Then you get good games in conference, which are good, but you see those games every year. And, yeah, March is awesome. I'm not saying I don't like March. But, as weird as it may seem, I think I actually like the two weeks of the exempt tournaments in November more.

[GIMMFD]

He easily could have had two wins against Xavier if not for a kind replay review for the Muskies.

Let's hope he finds a way to get a win against Dayton today, very impressed so far at the play of some of those guys for VT, like Nolley, Alleyne, Horne, etc. They play good basketball, it's been fun to watch.

[xudash]

Dayton has a couple of good point guards and Obi Toppin, who will be a lottery pick next year. He was a low level recruit, and they struck gold with him.

Does this mean we would only beat them by 20 this year instead of by 39?

[GoMuskies]

Interesting grudge match in Cancun tonight when Wichita State faces off against South Carolina. South Carolina passed over native son Marshall at least twice for a job he surely would have left Winthrop for. His Shockers are 4 point favorites tonight.

Dayton is also a four point favorite today. I think they whip VPI.

Also, what a shame Cronin’s Bruins couldn’t handle BYU in Maui last night. It will be a real shame when they beat Chaminade and have to play Michigan State tomorrow. That will give them a round goose egg for two against Division I teams in Hawaii.

[MADXSTER]

BYU is so much fun to watch. Always have been

[X-band '01]

You just don't say no when Angry Frank comes calling.

[GoMuskies]

You just don't say no when Angry Frank comes calling.

Okay, but Darrin Horn?!?

So far South Carolina shoots like a Travis Steele team and defends like a Chris Mack team.

[Xville]

Mizzou has looked completely awful against butler last night and oklahoma tonight...they have more trouble than xavier putting the ball in the hoop.

I thought mizzou was going to take a step forward this year, think I was way way wrong

[Xville]

I hate to say it, but dayton is going to win a crap ton of games this year. Obi is legit.

[Xville]

DePaul back to being depaul

[X Factor]

I hate to say it, but dayton is going to win a crap ton of games this year. Obi is legit.


I despise Dayton, but you're right. They look really good.

[Xville]

DePaul back to being depaul

After being down 18 at half, now up 6...crazy

[noteggs]

I hate to say it, but dayton is going to win a crap ton of games this year. Obi is legit.

Didn’t want to say it first. Toppin is a freakin stud!

[X Factor]

Didn’t want to say it first. Toppin is a freakin stud!

Sickening he's wearing a Dayton uniform.

Averaging 25 points and 8 rebounds, shooting 73% from the field and 50% from 3 on the year.

[XU88]

The Lumberjacks of Stephen F Austin take down Duke at Cameron Indoor. Wow.

[X Factor]

The Lumberjacks of Stephen F Austin take down Duke at Cameron Indoor. Wow.

LOVE IT!!! Duke was a 27.5 point favorite!

[xubrew]

Can you guess who the next #1 team is going to be?

[scoscox]

Can you guess who the next #1 team is going to be?

if it's not depaul we riot

[Lloyd Braun]

LOVE IT!!! Duke was a 27.5 point favorite!

Before the game Duke was Kenpom #1, SFA was #264.

[paulxu]

Guess there's a reason it's S "F" A.

[UCGRAD4X]

Anybody that beats the dookies if 'F'ing awesome in my book.

I actually interviewed in Nacogdoches, Texas to teach there at one time (the g is silent).

Who are the 'doches' now?

[nuts4xu]

Anybody that beats the dookies if 'F'ing awesome in my book.

I actually interviewed in Nacogdoches, Texas to teach there at one time (the g is silent).

Who are the 'doches' now?

If it was a job teaching grammar, I think I see why you didn't get the job! I am sure it was a slip here, and you didn't mean it (fixed it for you). I don't understand how educated people will botch There, They're, and Their, but heck I see it wrong in articles the author is paid to write! I don't get it...

[muskiefan82]

I think the refs were so shocked at what was happening they forgot they were at Duke and failed to call a foul on SFA at the end during the steal. I am sure Coach K had someone visit them later to remind them who they report to.

[UCGRAD4X]

If it was a job teaching grammar, I think I see why you didn't get the job! I am sure it was a slip here, and you didn't mean it (fixed it for you). I don't understand how educated people will botch There, They're, and Their, but heck I see it wrong in articles the author is paid to write! I don't get it...

Thank you, NUTS. :whiteflag:

No, it was mathematics and science education....still...the power of proofreading...a practice which you would assume 'professional' writers would utilize. Yet, that is probably the LEAST egregious errors from those who claim to make lexicology their chosen profession.
(Topic for another thread, perhaps)

Mea Maxima Cula

GO LUMBERJACKS!

[UCGRAD4X]

I think the refs were so shocked at what was happening they forgot they were at Duke and failed to call a foul on SFA at the end during the steal. I am sure Coach K had someone visit them later to remind them to whom they report.

sorry, couldn't help myself :loco:

[GoMuskies]

The most egregious error here is all you guys misspelling Dook.