2019-2020 College Basketball Season Thread

[D-West & PO-Z]

Louisville gets beat by Florida St.

Ya hate to see it...

[bobbiemcgee]

Mack jinx

[X Factor]

Nevermind, saw the discussion on the BE thread.

[xubrew]

Louisville gets beat by Florida St.

That’s three in a row for Leonard Hamilton over Chris Mack, and I believe he had the lower ranked team in every game.

[AviatorX]

UConn appears to very much suck, so unfortunately looks like it would be pretty beneficial to Xavier is UC runs through the AAC.

[xubrew]

UConn appears to very much suck, so unfortunately looks like it would be pretty beneficial to Xavier is UC runs through the AAC.

UC just lost at Tulane. They aren’t going to run through anything.

[Xavgrad08]

UC has not looked good for most of this season.

[noteggs]

Nice to see UNC lose to a 6-7 GT at home. Yes I know they’re depleted because of injury, but watching Roy reduced to just saying “talk...talk” was enjoyable.

[X-band '01]

UC just lost at Tulane. They aren’t going to run through anything.

Who wouldn't love to see a UC-UCLA Best-of-3 in the CBI? That's the trajectory both teams are on right now.

[GoMuskies]

San Diego State pounded Utah State on the road. The Aztecs might actually be for real.

[xubrew]

San Diego State pounded Utah State on the road. The Aztecs might actually be for real.

They absolutely are.

Having said that, I guess it matters what your standards of "being for real" are. To me, it's a team that can land inside the bubble and make the NCAAs without the auto bid. They are certainly in that category.

All and all, the Mountain West is not for real. You may not realize this, but their conference tournament is a week early this year because the venue they always play it at is having some sort of farm equipment trade show on the days the tournament normally takes place. It sounds like I'm making that up, but it's actually true! When assessing the legitimacy of a conference, if it is ever bumped for a farm trade show, it is NOT legit!! But, San Diego State, as a team, probably is.

[GoMuskies]

That sucks about the Thomas and Mack Center. They should have just moved to the MGM Garden Arena for a year since the Pac-12 has moved across the Strip to T-Mobile Arena. Two conference tournaments going on simultaneously within a half mile of one another would have been awesome.

[Xville]

The Chris mack louisville honeymoon is over which brings me joy. Fans starting to wonder how a packline defense allows so much penetration into the lane and wide open threes. Hmmm sounds familiar.

[xubrew]

The Chris mack louisville honeymoon is over which brings me joy. Fans starting to wonder how a packline defense allows so much penetration into the lane and wide open threes. Hmmm sounds familiar.

The thing is, he's only a couple wins away from them loving him again, and there is a very good chance that they go 8-1 in their next nine games. I was a ridiculously huge Louisville fan growing up. I've since recovered, but I still know how they generally thing. They don't really factor in how good the teams are that they're playing because in their minds they should be better than whoever their opponents are anyway. So, not many people will say "well, yeah, we've won 8 of 9, but who have we played?" They'll just say...WAHOO!! We've won 8 of 9! We're going to win it all!!!

[Xville]

The thing is, he's only a couple wins away from them loving him again, and there is a very good chance that they go 8-1 in their next nine games. I was a ridiculously huge Louisville fan growing up. I've since recovered, but I still know how they generally thing. They don't really factor in how good the teams are that they're playing because in their minds they should be better than whoever their opponents are anyway. So, not many people will say "well, yeah, we've won 8 of 9, but who have we played?" They'll just say...WAHOO!! We've won 8 of 9! We're going to win it all!!!

Ha that is true about their fans from what I have seen. The acc is pretty bad comparatively speaking to previous years, but I think louisville still is going to struggle against teams that they shouldn't have. Louisville's guards aren't good at all which is obviously a major problem.

[xubrew]

Ha that is true about their fans from what I have seen. The acc is pretty bad comparatively speaking to previous years, but I think louisville still is going to struggle against teams that they shouldn't have. Louisville's guards aren't good at all which is obviously a major problem.

On a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 being wanting to fire the coach and 10 being convinced that they're going to win it all, Louisville fans are almost never between 3 and 8. They're down at a 1, then they win two straight games, and then suddenly they think they're going to win it all again.

[GoMuskies]

It's been quite a ride there what with having two coaches for a total of 47 years. Those wacky Louisville folks always firing their coaches. Not sure how anyone can handle that pressure cooker.

[GoMuskies]

Having said that, I guess it matters what your standards of "being for real" are.

In this case, I mean seemingly deserving of their #7 ranking.

[xubrew]

It's been quite a ride there what with having two coaches for a total of 47 years. Those wacky Louisville folks always firing their coaches. Not sure how anyone can handle that pressure cooker.

I'm talking about the fans. The athletic department has always been pretty level headed.

[GoMuskies]

I hear you, but nowhere that has coaches for that long really has much of an issue with fans calling for the coach's head.

I'm also a little bit mocking the narrative I've heard on here before that Mack was sure to get fired within five years and that taking the Louisville job was such a mistake. Hell, Xavier fires basketball coaches (for not winning enough games) more often than Louisville.

[Xville]

It's been quite a ride there what with having two coaches for a total of 47 years. Those wacky Louisville folks always firing their coaches. Not sure how anyone can handle that pressure cooker.

True but crum is from a far different era and Pitino got the benefit of being one of the best college basketball coaches ever (at least he is in my opinion). Mack has proven pretty much nothing except he can get a high seed and lose the first weekend.

Is louisville a pressure cooker like kentucky? Of course not but I dont think its candyland in this day and age either.

Also not saying he is anywhere close to being on the hot seat or anything like that, I just think the louisville fans eyes are starting to open as to the issues I always saw with him as a coach.

[xubrew]

True but crum is from a far different era and Pitino got the benefit of being one of the best college basketball coaches ever (at least he is in my opinion). Mack has proven pretty much nothing except he can get a high seed and lose the first weekend.

Is louisville a pressure cooker like kentucky? Of course not but I dont think its candyland in this day and age either.

Also not saying he is anywhere close to being on the hot seat or anything like that, I just think the louisville fans eyes are starting to open as to the issues I always saw with him as a coach.

I remember people constantly wanting to fire both Crum and Pitino. At least on the call in shows and message boards (once those came into existence).

[GoMuskies]

Constantly. "Mr. Tony Cruise/Mr. Van Vance [depends on era], can't you get them to far Coach Crum/Coach Piteener."

Whew, the lions den that. It IS true that eventually neither Crum nor Pitino left the building voluntarily.

[xubrew]

Constantly. "Mr. Tony Cruise/Mr. Van Vance [depends on era], can't you get them to far Coach Crum/Coach Piteener."

Whew, the lions den that. It IS true that eventually neither Crum nor Pitino left the building voluntarily.

Yes, but it's also true that the demographic of fans that wanted to "far" the coaches probably didn't want them "farred" for what they unvoluntarily left the building for.

And once Crum said he was leaving, people liked him again.

[scoscox]

I hear you, but nowhere that has coaches for that long really has much of an issue with fans calling for the coach's head.

I'm also a little bit mocking the narrative I've heard on here before that Mack was sure to get fired within five years and that taking the Louisville job was such a mistake. Hell, Xavier fires basketball coaches (for not winning enough games) more often than Louisville.

Which is to say, not often. Of course their coaches have won national titles. Very easy to not fire someone when they’re winning nattys

[xubrew]

Which is to say, not often. Of course their coaches have won national titles. Very easy to not fire someone when they’re winning nattys

Pitino never won a national title!!

OH ZING!!!!!!

[X-band '01]

Pitino never won a national title!!

OH ZING!!!!!!

Not at Louisville, at least.

[Xville]

So.....who had Providence 3-0 with two road wins to start league play?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Perusing the top 25 scores again tonight...this year in college hoops is an absolute clusterf%#k.

[bjf123]

So.....who had Providence 3-0 with two road wins to start league play?

I’ll take “No One Outside of Providence” for $500, Alex.


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[X-band '01]

Virginia losing tonight at Boston College. Not a thing of beauty, @JonRothstein

[Xville]

The acc is an absolute shit show outside of duke, florida state and louisville (who has serious guard issues).

This season really is a cluster...someone like Tulane is going to be in the title game.

[X-band '01]

TCU has suddenly won 5 out of 6 - their only loss was Xavier spanking the Frogs before Christmas.

[GIMMFD]

TCU has suddenly won 5 out of 6 - their only loss was Xavier spanking the Frogs before Christmas.

Good, we need them to keep winning.. Also, St. John's still confuses me, getting spanked by G'Town right now.

[noteggs]

Haven’t been able to see a lot of Wichita State this year but looked really solid over Memphis last night.

[GoMuskies]

My son and I decided to go at the last minute. Fun atmosphere for sure. Wichita State is really good on defense, but offense can really be a struggle for them if they don't get out in transition. They haven't shot great this year, but they do have a few capable shooters.

All in all, I think WSU is a fringe top 20ish team this year and should be in the mix with Houston and Memphis for the conference title. They should be absolutely loaded next year, though, because all of their best players (other than their big man) are freshmen and sophomores.

[GIMMFD]

My son and I decided to go at the last minute. Fun atmosphere for sure. Wichita State is really good on defense, but offense can really be a struggle for them if they don't get out in transition. They haven't shot great this year, but they do have a few capable shooters.

All in all, I think WSU is a fringe top 20ish team this year and should be in the mix with Houston and Memphis for the conference title. They should be absolutely loaded next year, though, because all of their best players (other than their big man) are freshmen and sophomores.

Gotta be pretty decent to get a win over Memphis though right? Like I know Wiseman isn't playing but Achinwu or whatever is a monster, Quinolones was a 5* as well, Lomax is solid.. interesting that they lost two in a row, I'm also interested to see how they do against UC. They have a lot of talent, but will be a storyline to follow of what Penny Hardaway can do without Wiseman.

[X-band '01]

Clemson now 1-59 all time in Chapel Hill with a comeback win against the Tar Heels in OT.

[Xville]

Mizzou up 17 at half against florida...did not see that happening.

[X-band '01]

Steve Lappas on TV: "I'd rather be down 5 with 25 seconds remaining than down 3 with 10 seconds remaining"

Can't imagine why Villanova and UMass let him go.

Oh, and UConn came from 9 points down with a minute remaining to force OT against Wichita State. Without Tommy Polley (who tore an ACL in practice yesterday).

[paulxu]

Yesterday UNC up 3 with 5 seconds to play in regulation...and does not foul! (deja vu)

Purdue stomps #8 Michigan St today.

[GoMuskies]

Gillen was killing Gregg Marshall at the end of regulation. Marshall is obviously a fantastic coach who has had an enormous amount of success (and Wichita State ultimately won today anyway), but that guy can be one stubborn sonofabitch.

[noteggs]

Purdue stomps #8 Michigan St today.

Is the MSU board talking about firing Tom Izzo for losing to a 9-7 Purdue team by 29. Just saying.

[waggy]

I would fire Izzo because likes to listen to himself talk too much.

[GoMuskies]

Hated to see Sean Miller's Arizona squad get thumped in Corvallis by the Beavers. Just hated to see it.

[JTG]

Hated to see Sean Miller's Arizona squad get thumped in Corvallis by the Beavers. Just hated to see it.

Miller's ok by me. Now Mack is a different story. He screwed us so bad we're still paying for it. If he never won again, got run out of Louisville, and lost all his money, I'd still hate his stinking guts.

[Xville]

4 be teams in the ap poll now....hall vs butler coming up on Wednesday should be a great one.

Only 6 home games left in the season...kind of crazy to think about.

[Xville]

Two teams who I cant really stand butler and dayton are really effing good this year.

[xubrew]

Two teams who I cant really stand butler and dayton are really effing good this year.

If Dayton ends up playing Wright State in the Round of 64 and loses to them, then it will have all been worth it!!

[GoMuskies]

Kentucky lost at South Carolina. South Carolina is awful this year, so this was fun.

Also enjoyed IU losing to Rutgers, although that's not as embarrassing this year as it would be most years.

[AviatorX]

Kentucky lost at South Carolina. South Carolina is awful this year, so this was fun.

Also enjoyed IU losing to Rutgers, although that's not as embarrassing this year as it would be most years.

It's funny, Rutgers actually plays exactly how this Xavier team should play. They shoot the 3 worse than Xavier, but shoot it slightly less and rebound the hell out of the ball. They even turn it over more and still have success. Rutgers is the blueprint lol.

[Xville]

UC might have a worse offense than us

Maybe I should put this in the silver linings thread.

[X-band '01]

Maybe Wichita isn't as good as we thought. (I know, GoMuskies, I know - Houston is stealing signs yet again)

[GoMuskies]

I think I said Wichita wasn't that great this year. Offense is just painfully bad (sound familiar?). Check back next year.

[Masterofreality]

Watching college basketball.

Flip on Creighton- Providence- Loud, raucous 18,000 people in the stands.
One channel up- GW at UMass. A morgue. Maybe 4,000 people in a mausoleum.
I love this league. Too bad us and St. John’s are at the bottom of the pile.

[X-band '01]

Watching college basketball.

One channel up- GW at UMass. A morgue. Maybe 4,000 people in a mausoleum.


Do yourself a favor and put a parental lock on NBC Sports Network so you don't accidentally tune into A-10 games again.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I am so glad we are out of that shit league. It was a great league for us at the time but I def don’t miss it. VD is def reaping the benefits this year from the lack of competition. Remember when we use to talk about how the league should force Fordham to become
More competitive? Although I sure would like to be on that league this year with our team. 2 years in a row without a dance brings me back to Skip days.

[goldiewilson]

I am so glad we are out of that shit league. It was a great league for us at the time but I def don’t miss it. VD is def reaping the benefits this year from the lack of competition. Remember when we use to talk about how the league should force Fordham to become
More competitive? Although I sure would like to be on that league this year with our team. 2 years in a row without a dance brings me back to Skip days.


This current X team would not get a bid if they were in the A-10 this year. Worst X team I have seen in a long time. Offense is painful to watch.

[scoscox]

This current X team would not get a bid if they were in the A-10 this year. Worst X team I have seen in a long time. Offense is painful to watch.

i mean, we had a worse team as recently as last season. hyperbole is fun though

[Xville]

i mean, we had a worse team as recently as last season. hyperbole is fun though

People keep saying this as if it's true. The season isn't over yet. They play the way they have played, and this team isnt finishing 500

[bobbiemcgee]

Basically, we can't shoot, can't defend and turn the ball over incessantly. Other than that "Go Muskies"

I was watching Arizona's 3 star freshmen destroy Colorado last nite and how they just love playing the game with attitude. Gimme some of that.

[Masterofreality]

I am so glad we are out of that shit league....Remember when we use to talk about how the league should force Fordham to become competitive?

Fordham remains the Linda Blutarsky Legacy. She just HAD to get a team in NY city. They would have been better off with Manhattan.
Fordham has not made an NIT or NCAA in 25 years in the league. They have never contributed one thin dime to the league coffers through any kind of tournament share. They have only taken, probably at least 100 shares of post season conference money.

What an abject disgrace of a program.

[GIMMFD]

Basically, we can't shoot, can't defend and turn the ball over incessantly. Other than that "Go Muskies"

I was watching Arizona's 3 star freshmen destroy Colorado last nite and how they just love playing the game with attitude. Gimme some of that.

Lmfao on the flip side, Arizona lost to a St. John's team we beat, college basketball is fun with the transitive property. It's also a complete clusterfuck this year, and the tournament is going to be bonkers, I'm just hoping we're a part of that.

[xavierj]

Basically, we can't shoot, can't defend and turn the ball over incessantly. Other than that "Go Muskies"

I was watching Arizona's 3 star freshmen destroy Colorado last nite and how they just love playing the game with attitude. Gimme some of that.

I guess we will need a few 5 star freshman that will be first round draft picks in this years draft. Arizona has that and all three are projected to go in the top 16 of the draft.

[paulxu]

Apparently we're not alone in our inept shooting; Vandy went 0-25 from 3 the other night.

[X Factor]

Dayton is ranked 7th in the AP Poll...:sick:

They're 5th in Kenpom's rankings.

[GoMuskies]

Dayton is ranked 7th in the AP Poll...:sick:

They're 5th in Kenpom's rankings.

Given the lack of high quality blue blood teams this year, Dayton could absolutely win a national championship. They're plenty good enough.

[Xville]

Take a look at bracketology if you want a good cry. Dayton, Butler and louisville all top 4 seeds...gross

[Xville]

Given the lack of high quality blue blood teams this year, Dayton could absolutely win a national championship. They're plenty good enough.

Agreed sadly. I still think florida is going to be right there when all is said and done. They have a huge week with lsu and Baylor. I think they have the most talent of anyone.

[X-band '01]

Take a look at bracketology if you want a good cry. Dayton, Butler and louisville all top 4 seeds...gross

No Cincinnati, so I know we're not in hell yet.

[GIMMFD]

Given the lack of high quality blue blood teams this year, Dayton could absolutely win a national championship. They're plenty good enough.

This board would be in pure meltdown mode.

[X-band '01]

Given the lack of high quality blue blood teams this year, Dayton could absolutely win a national championship. They're plenty good enough.

So when Wisconsin inevitably upsets the Flyers in the NCAA Tournament, who will be loading up on UW gear and reaching out to Steve Stricker with a gift basket?

[scoscox]

dayton lost to kansas and colorado and just barely escaped st. louis. i'm not convinced they're elite by any stretch. of course, they could win, but i'd be surprised

[GoMuskies]

Dayton lost to Kansas in OT, and this is somehow a knock on them? Other than San Diego State, would you like to explore all the other basketball teams without blemishes this year?

[Xville]

Newsflash, no team is elite this year. Dayton could easily win the whole thing, along with legitimately 20 other programs.

[X-band '01]

But a sign that the fifth and sixth seals from the Book of Revelation are about to be broken:

Rutgers is in the Top 25 for the first time since 1979 and North Carolina is in the basement of the ACC.

[chico]

So when Wisconsin inevitably upsets the Flyers in the NCAA Tournament, who will be loading up on UW gear and reaching out to Steve Stricker with a gift basket?

JP Macura?


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[OTRMUSKIE]

I can promise you two things in life, one you will die and two VD will never win a NC in the next 50 years. They are very good this year and I expect them to be sweet 16 at the best. They have a cute little team but they will be back to irrelevance next year. They just happen to have senior leadership and a gift from the basketball gods in OBI. I think VD will still lose 3-4 more games this year and prob will
End up with a 5 seed. The A-10 is just so bad that they really don’t have a chance of beating top tier teams rest of season. They don’t play anybody in the top 50 of the NET rest of the way. Oh and F&CK Dayton.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Take a look at bracketology if you want a good cry. Dayton, Butler and louisville all top 4 seeds...gross

I don’t hate Butler, Inhipe they do well. As far as VD and back stabber the truth will reveal itself ugly head very soon. VD is and always will
Be VD which equates to sucks and the ville will eventually see why some
People were glad mack left X. Just be patient my friends, the truth is coming and it’s coming very soon.

[Masterofreality]

People were glad mack left X. Just be patient my friends, the truth is coming and it’s coming very soon.

Uh, who was glad that Mack left X?

[xubrew]

The shotclock in the Hampton v Gardner Webb game broke just before the half. They couldn't get it fixed. So, the game has been suspended. They will make up the second half at a later date.

[bleedXblue]

Uh, who was glad that Mack left X?

No kidding............no one with half a brain

[GoMuskies]

Uh, who was glad that Mack left X?

Louisville fans

[Xavgrad08]

Texas loses by 38 to West Virginia. Shaka has not exactly set the world on fire at Texas.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Uh, who was glad that Mack left X?
I hated Mack. I never wanted him as coach. I was glad he was gone and Louisville will be begging for him to leave in 2 more years. After they go out early this year they will be antsy down in the ville.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Texas loses by 38 to West Virginia. Shaka has not exactly set the world on fire at Texas.

He never should have taken that job. Do you guys their grant leaves dayton after this year or will he be a lifer? I can see Smart going to VD if grant leaves. I doubt he leave

[OTRMUSKIE]

Hell I’ll take Shaka at X

[GoMuskies]

Hell I’ll take Shaka at X

Don't want Mack but DO want Shaka. Why do you hate Xavier?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Because Xavier is destroy my winter!!

[Xville]

I never liked mack and didnt think he was the one that could get us to that final 2%, I also talked with some of his in law family members here about how the whole louisville thing went down and frankly I think hes a big piece of shit for it. He could have waited until xaviers season was over.

[Xavier]

I never liked mack and didnt think he was the one that could get us to that final 2%, I also talked with some of his in law family members here about how the whole louisville thing went down and frankly I think hes a big piece of shit for it. He could have waited until xaviers season was over.

I don't care if he already agreed to be Louisvilles head coach. I don't think he wanted it any less that year for X. A guy in his position (Coaching at his alma mater) doesn't give up on the season when you are a 1 seed. I have no doubt the louisville thing had zero impact on the FSU game.

[Xville]

I don't care if he already agreed to be Louisvilles head coach. I don't think he wanted it any less that year for X. A guy in his position (Coaching at his alma mater) doesn't give up on the season when you are a 1 seed. I have no doubt the louisville thing had zero impact on the FSU game.

Well that's where we are going to have to agree to disagree because I think it has a gigantic impact.

[xubrew]

The thing is, he's only a couple wins away from them loving him again, and there is a very good chance that they go 8-1 in their next nine games. I was a ridiculously huge Louisville fan growing up. I've since recovered, but I still know how they generally thing. They don't really factor in how good the teams are that they're playing because in their minds they should be better than whoever their opponents are anyway. So, not many people will say "well, yeah, we've won 8 of 9, but who have we played?" They'll just say...WAHOO!! We've won 8 of 9! We're going to win it all!!!

Louisville fans like Chris Mack again!!

[GoMuskies]

Louisville fans like Chris Mack again!!

I don't think there's ever been a coach in the history of coaches who wasn't loved by their fanbase following a win over Dook at Cameron.

[paulxu]

I don't think there's ever been a coach in the history of coaches who wasn't loved by their fanbase following a win over Dook at Cameron.

Spartanburg sure loved them some Mike Young, and Jay McAuley.
And curiously, had no problem with Young taking the VT job after the best season in their history.

[GoMuskies]

Mike Young was making less than $200k at Wofford. Not quite the same situation some other guy we're talking about was in.

[paulxu]

Well, that's a good point. Although Mack surely got a little more from Louisville.

[GoMuskies]

Mack definitely got paid, but unlike with Young Xavier was already paying Mack "FU money".

[paulxu]

It's possible our grapes are getting more sour as we struggle this season.

Hard for me to get upset at someone taking a higher paying job. Most people would do that, especially if it's doing something you love. Even if it's more FU dollars.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not upset with those guys personally. I just want them to be abject failures professionally once they leave Xavier.

[scoscox]

It's possible our grapes are getting more sour as we struggle this season.

Hard for me to get upset at someone taking a higher paying job. Most people would do that, especially if it's doing something you love. Even if it's more FU dollars.

mack leaving was never about money. he didn't even listen to ohio state the year before. for whatever reason/s he wanted to be the coach at lousiville. oh well

[GoMuskies]

for whatever reason/s he wanted to be the coach at lousiville

I don't think it's much of a mystery. Happy wife, happy life or whatever. Christi Ono Mack! (I'm kidding on that last part by the way)

[noteggs]

I don't think it's much of a mystery. Happy wife, happy life or whatever. Christi Ono Mack! (I'm kidding on that last part by the way)

Which part? Happy wife, happy life?

[xubrew]

I'm not upset with those guys personally. I just want them to be abject failures professionally once they leave Xavier.

This is something that most people probably don't realize, but MOST (certainly not all) college basketball coaches....once you get to know them....are the kinds of people that you hope become abject failures both professionally and personally. I'm not specifically talking about Mack or Miller. I'm talking about everyone.

[GoMuskies]

This is something that most people probably don't realize, but MOST (certainly not all) college basketball coaches....once you get to know them....are the kinds of people that you hope become abject failures both professionally and personally. I'm not specifically talking about Mack or Miller. I'm talking about everyone.

Now THIS is hilarious. Socialism limits the reps I can provide.

[X-band '01]

This is something that most people probably don't realize, but MOST (certainly not all) college basketball coaches....once you get to know them....are the kinds of people that you hope become abject failures both professionally and personally. I'm not specifically talking about Mack or Miller. I'm talking about everyone.

And this is why Brew will tell you in person that college basketball is the sport of dicks. Mainly because of the aforementioned coaches.

[xubrew]

And this is why Brew will tell you in person that college basketball is the sport of dicks. Mainly because of the aforementioned coaches.

I love the games, I don’t always love the people.

[X Factor]

Kansas - Kansas St. game just ended in a huge brawl. Wild punches, and a player picking up a chair ready to WWE someone. Let's see how the media reacts to this one.

[Xavgrad08]

Kansas - Kansas St. game just ended in a huge brawl. Wild punches, and a player picking up a chair ready to WWE someone. Let's see how the media reacts to this one.

That was a legit fight. Will be interesting to see how sanctimonious the media is. The jokes on Twitter are amusing. Someone mentioned the most shocking part of the fight is that Self’s toupee stayed on. People mentioned this is not what Self and adidas paid for.

[Lloyd Braun]

Weak sauce imo. I saw all fluff no connections. I need Frease blood to validate a good fight!

[scoscox]

no blood was drawn... WEAK

[Muskie in dayton]

Great, I can’t wait for all the crosstown punch out tapes to come out and the comparisons be made. Somehow we’re going to be blamed for this...

[xubrew]

Evansville has now officially fired Walter McCarthy and hired Todd Lickliter, who is the complete and total inverse of Walter McCarthy.

[GoMuskies]

I blame Monmouth guy for the Kansas fight. The Big 12 will likely suspend Monmouth guy for the season as they need to be seen as strong on these sorts of issues.

[JTG]

I love the games, I don’t always love the people.

In my limited exposure to the 2 of them, I believe that Gillen and Prosser were the exceptions. Both seemed like genuinely nice guys. Miller had an edge to him. But Mack was a case of, ok he's our guy even though he seems like a bigtime dick. Which it turns out he was. He screwed us, but how was he going to be able to get all that UL money, if he won a NC with X ? He sabotaged his own school, so Eff him.

[Blue Blooded-05]

As annoying as the media scrutiny was after the X/Clifton brawl, I gotta give it credit for one positive thing...

No one in the media calls us Egg-zavier anymore

[xubrew]

The media is exceptionally annoying whenever something like this happens. They're out yelling for blood now, but they'll use these same videos to promote future games between these two for years.

"This is as bad as it gets!!" "This is the worst thing I've seen in forty years!!"

Give me a f***ing break. It was a fight. It was bad, and it should be taken seriously, and there should be consequences for those who were involved. It was not a rape or sexual assault, which we've seen a lot of around college football and basketball, and when we have seen it we have not seen this kind of a reaction. It was not a hold up, or a violent attack on some unwitting participant, or a music video where players were rapping about fellow female students (Okay, that was a football incident, but still), or any number of despicable things that happen somewhat regularly that are way worse than this. It was a fight. It was bad. There need to be consequences. But, it was ONLY a fight. Had that same thing happened at a bar, which it does somewhere pretty much every night, and not during a basketball game, then it would have probably made the news because it involved basketball players, but it wouldn't have generated this kind of a response. This is actually all kind of silly. When Miami's and Florida's football teams got into a drunken brawl in the middle of the street before the Super Bowl, no one was suspended, or even disciplined, and no one in the media was even saying that they should be. Yet, this is the worst thing they've ever seen in forty years. A brawl that lasted less than a minute.

Dick Vitale saying it was the worst thing he'd seen in forty years. Baylor had a player who MURDERED two of his teammates!!! And the coach covered it up!! that was FAR worse!!

[Lloyd Braun]

I didn’t even think it was bad. Lots of “HOLD ME BACK” tough guys that scurried when approached. De Sousa deserves a big penalty as he was stomping guys on the ground and actively looking to hit someone. And he started it.

[xubrew]

It could have been worse. The teams could have elected to make the players available to the media after the game.

[GoMuskies]

It could have been worse. The teams could have elected to make the players available to the media after the game.

No one would do something that stupid. Be serious.

[scoscox]

tulsa is putting the beat down on memphis. very bad year for the american

[GoMuskies]

tulsa is putting the beat down on memphis. very bad year for the american

I can't agree with that. The American is doing okay. Probably right on the verge of having 4 Tournament teams at this point. No great teams, though, certainly.

[scoscox]

I can't agree with that. The American is doing okay. Probably right on the verge of having 4 Tournament teams at this point. No great teams, though, certainly.

3 tournament teams right now. don't think a 4th is particularly close. none of them are likely to get a good seed. not a good year. not terrible, but not good

memphis has scored 32 points in 31 minutes at tulsa... WOOOOOF

[GoMuskies]

I think Cincinnati is getting pretty close, unfortunately.

[scoscox]

I think Cincinnati is getting pretty close, unfortunately.

mmm they've still got some ground to make up. 12-7 with some bad losses

[xavierj]

I think Cincinnati is getting pretty close, unfortunately.

Huh? How? They have to win at least 23 games and beat someone, and I don’t see that happening. Their best win is against tennessee. Xavier has a much better resume than Cincinnati and beat them down.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier is close, too. Sneaking into the Tournament isn't a super high bar.

[Xavier]

Xavier is close, too. Sneaking into the Tournament isn't a super high bar.

Yep. I think UC has an easier path to the tournament than Xavier right now.

[paulxu]

Good lord. You're #20 in the country and lose by 40 ???

[xubrew]

UC is starting to play better, and their next five are SMU, Houston, Wichita, UConn, and Memphis. Four of those teams are at least decent, so they picked a good time to start playing well.

Based on yesterday, Xavier is playing a lot better now too. Hopefully this is the point in the year where we start to string together a bunch of wins against good teams.

[GoMuskies]

Hopefully this is the point in the year where we start to string together a bunch of wins against good teams.

That would be awesome, because our wins to date against good teams are @TCU and.....did I mention @TCU? Sunday would be a nice day to double that total!

[xubrew]

De Sousa got a 12 game suspension for his role in the Kansas v K State game. It could have been 100 games and there would have still been people who like to yell at clouds yelling about how it wasn't enough. I don't recall a college player in any sport ever getting a suspension that long for fighting. LaGarrette Blount god 11 games after he went crazy and cold cocked a Boise State player and then several of his own teammates, but that suspension was handed down by the coach. The Pac 12 would have probably only suspended him for 3 or 4 games. Granted, that's football, and 3 games is 25 percent of the season, but still.

I'm not saying it was too harsh. I'm saying that people who think that this was a light punishment are nuts. 12 games is VERY steep. There have been worse fights where the punishments were way less than that. I really think that because this was on TV, and because all the talking heads who yell at clouds were out yelling for blood, that it made the conference want to come down more harshly than they otherwise would have.

Sidenote: The NCAA does not hand down suspensions for fighting during the regular season. The conference league offices handle it.

[GoMuskies]

I mean, he tried to hit someone with a chair. I think that's probably enough to not have him play in college anymore.

[paulxu]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/5YbMJ51wcuUY8s9b1H/giphy.gif?cid=790b76113745c6b174a48e6d555a844c1f05 7e826d76a1f6&rid=giphy.gif

[Xville]

I mean, he tried to hit someone with a chair. I think that's probably enough to not have him play in college anymore.

Agreed. There is a difference between using your fists, and going wwe style with what would be considered a weapon.

I do think the other parts of the "fight" have been overblown but picking up a chair is effing nuts. Good thing someone yanked it from him or the guy would probably be in jail this morning.

Btw this was k states fault for not taking a loss like men and backing away when the game was over. I dont fault kansas for reacting and blocking the shot at all. And I freaking hate kansas.

It was the same thing in Xs fight with uc....uc couldn't handle that they got their ass whooped.

[xubrew]

I mean, he tried to hit someone with a chair. I think that's probably enough to not have him play in college anymore.

I see your point.

But, he didn’t hit anyone with a chair. Just like two guys that go at each other don’t end up actually fighting is someone gets between them.

And, right or wrong, there have been football fights where guys were swinging helmets and connecting, and stomping on people with their cleats (Miami v FIU) and the suspensions weren’t that stiff. Perhaps they should have been.

My only point is that this is not a light punishment. There has never been one this severe that I can recall. A player who attacked a fan (albeit not with a chair), got less than half this.

[xubrew]

I'm not explaining my point very well.

What bothers me as much as the fight itself, and if I'm totally honest it probably bothers me even more than the fight itself, is how so many people seem to use it as an opportunity to get mad about something, and then be seen getting mad about it. I don't mean to come off as believing that this wasn't a big deal or that nothing should have been done about it. I just can't stand all the opportunistic soap boxes that always appear after something like this happens.

"HE SHOULD BE ARRESTED!

"HE SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL AND OUT OF THE GAME!"

"THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD HE NOT BLOCKED THE SHOT!!" (one of my favorites).


Jesus....SHUT UP!!!! Please go back to quietly wishing you were someone important. (This is directed toward those in the media and on social media, not really anyone here)


Now I know we've had two brawls in the past week so this is kind of poorly timed, but brawling really isn't a problem in college basketball. It has happened before, and it will happen again, but considering that there are thousands of games played every year, and that it's an emotional and physical game, and that on average I'd say there is less than one big brawl a season, that's pretty damn good. So, those that say that the NCAA needs to step in and clean this up and what a disgrace this is to the sport....no, it's not! There are, in fact, LOTS of things that the NCAA needs to clean up, but things like this are actually very isolated incidents.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Due to the fact the chair was a small chair I think 12 games is correct. I think of it were a bigger chair maybe a bigger punishment would have be warranted. Tiny chair =12 games
Med Chair= 15 games
Large Chair= season
Lazy Boy=college
Couch= no games because that would be amazing

[SM#24]

"THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD HE NOT BLOCKED THE SHOT!!" (one of my favorites).

I applaud DeSousa for hustling down the court and blocking that douchebag's shot and then standing over him. I hope he received credit for it.
Xville is right, K St couldn't just take their ass kicking and go home.

[scoscox]

HUGE shot by marcus carr to beat OSU. OSU has totally collapsed. kaleb wesson just isn't as good as advertised

[scoscox]

I applaud DeSousa for hustling down the court and blocking that douchebag's shot and then standing over him. I hope he received credit for it.
Xville is right, K St couldn't just take their ass kicking and go home.

kinda like UC. that seems to be the formula for a brawl

[Xavgrad08]

Minnesota takes down Ohio St. Not sure what has happened to OSU, but that are reeling.

[scoscox]

assembly hall is going absolutely nuts right now. great game brewing.

[xavierj]

Minnesota takes down Ohio St. Not sure what has happened to OSU, but that are reeling.

Have they started the fire Chris Holtmann thread? Lost another home conference game and now 2-6 in the Big 10.

[Masterofreality]

have they started the fire chris holtmann thread? Lost another home conference game and now 2-6 in the big 10.

hire chris holtmann as a backup plan!!!!

(I’ll see myself out) :-)

[AviatorX]

assembly hall is going absolutely nuts right now. great game brewing.

Archie has Izzo’s number apparently.

When Assembly Hall is going off like it is tonight, no college atmosphere can touch it. IU just has those games there where they would beat whoever comes out of the other locker room. It’s just a shame only 10% of the seats there are any good.

[GoMuskies]

When Assembly Hall is going off like it is tonight, no college atmosphere can touch it.

I think I heard 5 KU fans in my neighborhood groan as I read this comment. :)

[AviatorX]

I think I heard 5 KU fans in my neighborhood groan as I read this comment. :)

Equal chance of getting hit by a stray chair at either venue at least.

[scoscox]

Archie has Izzo’s number apparently.

When Assembly Hall is going off like it is tonight, no college atmosphere can touch it. IU just has those games there where they would beat whoever comes out of the other locker room. It’s just a shame only 10% of the seats there are any good.

Archie is gonna do well there

[X-band '01]

Minnesota takes down Ohio St. Not sure what has happened to OSU, but that are reeling.


Have they started the fire Chris Holtmann thread? Lost another home conference game and now 2-6 in the Big 10.

Dabo Swinney not only broke Ohio State football, he broke the entire OSU athletic department in the process.

[paulxu]

What a strange year, with OSU near the bottom of the Big 10, and UNC with a losing record and at the very bottom of the ACC with a 1-6 conference record.

[xubrew]

What a strange year, with OSU near the bottom of the Big 10, and UNC with a losing record and at the very bottom of the ACC with a 1-6 conference record.

...and Rutgers is in the rankings.

Every year seems like it's a strange year, but this year is a strange year for strange reasons.

[GoMuskies]

What a strange year, with OSU near the bottom of the Big 10, and UNC with a losing record and at the very bottom of the ACC with a 1-6 conference record.

And Xavier with a 2-4 conference records. I've seen 8-20 UNC (I was a student there that year). I've not seen below .500 Xavier in conference play in my fan lifetime.

[muskiefan82]

And Xavier with a 2-4 conference records. I've seen 8-20 UNC (I was a student there that year). I've not seen below .500 Xavier in conference play in my fan lifetime.

Umm….last year X was below .500 until they went on a tear at the end of the year.

[GoMuskies]

Umm….last year X was below .500 until they went on a tear at the end of the year.

I mean at end the year, of course. Obviously still time to turn this shit around this year, too.

[noteggs]

It’s just a shame only 10% of the seats there are any good.

This is so true especially if your in the second deck! First you can’t see then you look up and start wondering if there’s any chance the big cement blocks will fall.

[xubrew]

Last year was a great year for teams that are in the regular one bid leagues. Buffalo got a 6 seed and deserved it, Wofford got a 7 and probably deserved a better one, Belmont got an at-large bid, and Liberty and New Mexico State got 12 seeds but were better than a lot of teams that got at large bits. UC Irvine and Murray Statealso made the round of 32.

This year, we’ve got.......

Well, last year was a great year, wasn’t it!!??

[GoMuskies]

San Diego State and Dayton aren't in "traditional" one bid leagues, but close enough at this point. And they're in the top 5. Ditto Gonzaga.

[xubrew]

To me, there are 10 regular multii-bid leagues, or at least leagues that have their first place team inside the bubble over 90 percent of the time, and 22 under the radar leagues. The A10, even in years where it grossly underperforms, still gets their first place team in a position to where they don't need the auto-bid to make the field.

[Masterofreality]

To me, there are 10 regular multii-bid leagues, or at least leagues that have their first place team inside the bubble over 90 percent of the time, and 22 under the radar leagues. The A10, even in years where it grossly underperforms, still gets their first place team in a position to where they don't need the auto-bid to make the field.

Welp, the A10 is abjectly bad this year, but they will probably get 2 in? Although VCU, the second ranked A10 team to VD in Kenpom (VD 4, VCU 47), is definitely bubbling at best. Besides them, only Rhody falls in the Top 60.

[GoMuskies]

Welp, the A10 is abjectly bad this year, but they will probably get 2 in? Although VCU, the second ranked A10 team to VD in Kenpom (VD 4, VCU 47), is definitely bubbling at best. Besides them, only Rhody falls in the Top 60.

If UD wins out, it's a one bid league.

[paulxu]

And Xavier with a 2-4 conference records. I've seen 8-20 UNC (I was a student there that year). I've not seen below .500 Xavier in conference play in my fan lifetime.

Is this some sort of reverse-jinx-juju?

[Masterofreality]

If UD wins out, it's a one bid league.

Bernie McGlade and the refs (Joe DeMayonaise) will probably rig it.

[GoMuskies]

Is this some sort of reverse-jinx-juju?

Shh. You'll jinx it.

[Masterofreality]

Shh. You'll jinx it.

Your 2020 A10 Tournament Champions....... THE FORDHAM RAMS!!!!!!

[GIMMFD]

...and Rutgers is in the rankings.

Every year seems like it's a strange year, but this year is a strange year for strange reasons.

Yeah this is by far the most open year I can remember in a while, last year was kind of open, but at the same time you knew Virginia, Texas Tech, Duke, etc. were all pretty damn good, I can't really pin on who I think is the best team in the country right now, not to mention all of the weird stuff happening around. Top 10 teams are getting thrashed by unranked teams at a weirdly high rate (either that or I've just been paying more attention this year), weird.

[xubrew]

If UD wins out, it's a one bid league.

And if they don’t win the conference tournament, then it isn’t, so it’s still in a category that is clearly above the 22 regular one bid leagues that are regularly seeded below the teams in the First Four. If a team from the A10 gets a 7 seed it’s not that big of a deal. If a team from the Horizon League or SoCon does it then that’s a little more unusual.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Whatever VD does this year you can bet there will be at least 3 new banners hanging up in the rafters and multiple parades.

1. Top 10 ranking banner
2. #1 offensive efficiency banner
3. Out of conference Championship banner
4. Passed Xavier as a program banner.

They are def a very good team but Bc I hate them so much I know they will not go far in the dance.

[X-band '01]

Whatever VD does this year you can bet there will be at least 3 new banners hanging up in the rafters and multiple parades.

1. Top 10 ranking banner
2. #1 offensive efficiency banner
3. Out of conference Championship banner
4. Passed Xavier as a program banner.

They are def a very good team but Bc I hate them so much I know they will not go far in the dance.

Lies. All lies.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Remember when they threw a parade for when they won the NIT?

[Xavgrad08]

Arizona loses by one at Arizona St. Arizona blew a 22 point lead.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Man this has to be the last year for Sean. His fan base have to be done with him by now. He will end up being pittsburgh next head coach after he does 2 years of television.

[GIMMFD]

Man this has to be the last year for Sean. His fan base have to be done with him by now. He will end up being pittsburgh next head coach after he does 2 years of television.

That's if Pittsburgh gets rid of Capel that quickly, Capel's a pretty decent recruiter, granted the results aren't there yet but Pitt was a dumpster fire when he took over, I could see Capel lasting 4-5 years at Pitt at least.

[X-band '01]

Pitt is actually in the hunt for the NCAA Tournament themselves - they are not getting rid of Capel and sure as hell not replacing him with Sean Miller. Too many burned bridges between both sides there.

[xubrew]

Pitt is actually in the hunt for the NCAA Tournament themselves - they are not getting rid of Capel and sure as hell not replacing him with Sean Miller. Too many burned bridges between both sides there.

Yeah, I know, and even if Pitt doesn't get in (which they probably won't) they are TONS better than they were two years ago when Capel got there. Pitt ain't getting rid of him unless they are insane. Which...they may be. I mean, they did hire Kevin Stallings.

[xubrew]

Whatever VD does this year you can bet there will be at least 3 new banners hanging up in the rafters and multiple parades.

1. Top 10 ranking banner
2. #1 offensive efficiency banner
3. Out of conference Championship banner
4. Passed Xavier as a program banner.

They are def a very good team but Bc I hate them so much I know they will not go far in the dance.

You may want to start mentally preparing yourself (seeing a doctor, collecting videos of past Xavier NCAA Tournament wins, or whatever you need to do) for the possibility that Dayton may go VERY deep in this year's tournament. Like a lawyer who tells his client that he needs to get his affairs in order before sentencing because the sentence may be very bad, you may want to get ready for how well Dayton might do.

[xubrew]

Gonzaga jumps over Baylor in the coaches' poll, but Baylor stays #1 in the AP Poll.

For those that say college basketball is so wide open this year, and that there are no dominant teams, and all that stuff.....go back to last year, or the year before, or five years ago, or whenever it was that college basketball had clear dominant teams, and explain to me how those teams are more dominant than this year's Baylor team. Baylor has one loss in the second game of the season. Since then they've won at Kansas (only home loss), beaten Villanova on a neutral floor (only home/neutral loss), beaten Butler, won at Texas Tech (who only has one other home loss to Kentucky), and won at Florida (who has only one other home loss).

That is pretty freakin' dominant, isn't it?? I guess a double digit win at Florida, who has just one other home loss, just didn't impress some of hte coaches.

[GoMuskies]

Gonzaga jumps over Baylor in the coaches' poll, but Baylor stays #1 in the AP Poll.


I think you've got the coaches poll backwards. Gonzaga was still #1 with the coaches last week. Baylor jumped them this week by 2 points.

[GoMuskies]

Note that the Kansas City Star reporter voted KU #1 this week (and Baylor #4). What a fucking hack.

[xubrew]

I think you've got the coaches poll backwards. Gonzaga was still #1 with the coaches last week. Baylor jumped them this week by 2 points.

It looks like you're right.

If you see this in time, the link below has this week's schedule, but last week's rankings, so I was confused...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/rankings/coaches/

[xubrew]

Note that the Kansas City Star reporter voted KU #1 this week (and Baylor #4). What a fucking hack.

I'm the one that always says the rankings don't really matter, so I guess I shouldn't really care.

[GoMuskies]

That clown also ranked Florida State #16 and Villanova #21.

[X-band '01]

Note that the Kansas City Star reporter voted KU #1 this week (and Baylor #4). What a fucking hack.


That clown also ranked Florida State #16 and Villanova #21.

Without looking, was it Jesse Newell?

[GoMuskies]

Yes, it's Newell.

[OTRMUSKIE]

You may want to start mentally preparing yourself (seeing a doctor, collecting videos of past Xavier NCAA Tournament wins, or whatever you need to do) for the possibility that Dayton may go VERY deep in this year's tournament. Like a lawyer who tells his client that he needs to get his affairs in order before sentencing because the sentence may be very bad, you may want to get ready for how well Dayton might do.

I know for a fact that VD will not advance far. They have played nobody outside of that tournament and when they did they lost, I know it was OT but still. They are a very good team but once tournament time comes around they will wake up and realize “Hey our shirts say Dayton, we arnt supposed to be here and they will lose and I will love every minute of it.

[xubrew]

I know for a fact that VD will not advance far. They have played nobody outside of that tournament and when they did they lost, I know it was OT but still. They are a very good team but once tournament time comes around they will wake up and realize “Hey our shirts say Dayton, we arnt supposed to be here and they will lose and I will love every minute of it.

Okay, whatever you say....

[OTRMUSKIE]

you can’t make this stuff up. Here is a thread on Dayton’s board.

Is UD planning on a Kobe Bryant tribute. As America’s BEST fans of basketball?

I think it’s fitting that there is a tribute to the legend. I don’t think he ever played at the arena but some
consider it the home of college basketball. Need to pay our respects to a man that helped so many dream big

[xubrew]

Interesting. The Ivy League is (again) changing their conference schedule format. It will now be a ten week schedule instead of eight weeks.

https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/1/27/mens-basketball-ivy-league-announces-scheduling-changes-for-2020-21-and-2021-22-basketball-seasons.aspx

[xubrew]

The Central Michigan v Miami OH game tonight has been postponed due to fear of two students potentially having the coronavirus.

That's a first. I think there was a year where the MAAC championship game was played in an empty arena because of a flu outbreak, or some sort of outbreak.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Why would Duquesne play at their big arena and not their band box? What a sad money grab. Duquesne could have won this game in their highschool gym but instead they choose to play in the big arena which allowed more VD fans. They did that with us too and so did Nova. It’s way harder to win in a band box. Money rules the world.

[goldiewilson]

Why would Duquesne play at their big arena and not their band box? What a sad money grab. Duquesne could have won this game in their highschool gym but instead they choose to play in the big arena which allowed more VD fans. They did that with us too and so did Nova. It’s way harder to win in a band box. Money rules the world.

The Pulombo Center is being renovated this season. They are playing their home games at PPG Paints arena this season.

[xubrew]

The Pulombo Center is being renovated this season. They are playing their home games at PPG Paints arena this season.

..and some games at Robert Morris. And some games at a D3 school. And some games at a high school.

[GoMuskies]

The Fighting Kelseys are now 9-0 in the Big South. Ja Morant-less Murray State is 9-0 in the OVC.

[GoMuskies]

You know, 15 years ago the WAC was arguably a major conference. Today, its second best team is California Baptist. The second best "program" is probably Grand Canyon. And Chicago State is in it.

[X-band '01]

Unfortunately the OVC is a tire fire this year.

[X-band '01]

You know, 15 years ago the WAC was arguably a major conference. Today, its second best team is California Baptist. The second best "program" is probably Grand Canyon. And Chicago State is in it.

Also look at who's on top in the Northeast Conference. That would be Merrimack who is in their first season of Division I and won't even be eligible for the NCAA Tournament until 2024.

[GoMuskies]

UCLA up 12 at halftime on Colorado. Is Mick going to end up with a better win that anything Xavier will get this year?!? That would be less than optimal.

Grabbed Colorado -5 second half because I find disgusting even the notion that UCLA might win this game.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! At least I'm going to get my cover.

[xubrew]

UCLA up 12 at halftime on Colorado. Is Mick going to end up with a better win that anything Xavier will get this year?!? That would be less than optimal.

Grabbed Colorado -5 second half because I find disgusting even the notion that UCLA might win this game.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! At least I'm going to get my cover.

Dayton is really good

Cincinnati is improving as the year goes on with five wins in their last six games and a shot at Houston and Wichita State in their next two games.

UCLA is getting better having won three out of their last four.

Chris Mack's Louisville team started off decent, but has upgraded to really f'**ing good

Xavier is not good and is not improving.


Well, maybe this is one of those situations where we are just getting all of the bad stuff that can happen out of the way at the same time. Hopefully things are back to normal next year.

[Xville]

Dayton and louisville are not just good...they are cut down the nets in Atlanta good (partyle due to this year being overall crap basketball) which makes me want to vomit.

[xubrew]

Dayton and louisville are not just good...they are cut down the nets in Atlanta good (partyle due to this year being overall crap basketball) which makes me want to vomit.

Hmmm....Louisville v Dayton for the national title. That's a tough one. I think I'd just read a book that night.

[Xville]

Hmmm....Louisville v Dayton for the national title. That's a tough one. I think I'd just read a book that night.

Ugh....of course they could both lose the first weekend. The last 32 teams are going to be so evenly matched that it is anyone's guess who is going to come out of that mess.

[GoMuskies]

I'd go Dayton. I have Dayton at 20-1 to win it all and Louisville at 9-1. So, obviously prefer Dayton if it comes to that.

[AviatorX]

Blasphemy I know, but I really enjoy this Dayton team. They're kind of having a season similar to Xavier in 2016 (out of nowhere to a juggernaut with huge tournament hopes), except the rest of college basketball is down compared to that year. Good for them.

I don't know how jazzed I'd be about having Anthony Grant lead my highly seeded team into the dance, but we aren't really in a position to talk about that at this point I guess.

[xubrew]

Not picking on you specifically, but a talking point this year is how there are no dominant teams.

Well, to me the teams ranked in the top ten look every bit as dominant as they normally do. The top four teams in the NET only have five total losses, and three of those are by Kansas who's losses include 2pts to Duke and 1pt to Nova, both away from home.

Baylor looks every bit as dominant as any #1 team ever has at the end of January.

The top ten has a total of 23 losses. That's just over two losses per team, and a lot of those teams have played brutal schedules. If you go back and look at the top ten at the end of January for the past few years, that's about what it looks like.

So, my question is this...if Duke does not have the fluke loss to SFA, and if Seton Hall is at full strength early on and maybe wins one or two of the games they lost, is anyone saying that there are no dominant teams??

Another observation. We've had multiple #1 ranked teams lose this year to unranked opponents. I think that's another reason everyone is saying we don't have any dominant teams. Those teams include Michigan State and Kentucky. In my opinion that's more of a sign of the voters ranking the wrong team #1 and not a sign that there aren't elite teams.

[AviatorX]

Not picking on you specifically, but a talking point this year is how there are no dominant teams.

Well, to me the teams ranked in the top ten look every bit as dominant as they normally do. The top four teams in the NET only have five total losses, and three of those are by Kansas who's losses include 2pts to Duke and 1pt to Nova, both away from home.

Baylor looks every bit as dominant as any #1 team ever has at the end of January.

The top ten has a total of 23 losses. That's just over two losses per team, and a lot of those teams have played brutal schedules. If you go back and look at the top ten at the end of January for the past few years, that's about what it looks like.

So, my question is this...if Duke does not have the fluke loss to SFA, and if Seton Hall is at full strength early on and maybe wins one or two of the games they lost, is anyone saying that there are no dominant teams??

Another observation. We've had multiple #1 ranked teams lose this year to unranked opponents. I think that's another reason everyone is saying we don't have any dominant teams. Those teams include Michigan State and Kentucky. In my opinion that's more of a sign of the voters ranking the wrong team #1 and not a sign that there aren't elite teams.

The extent of my "research" was a quick peek at KP efficiency margins, so I defer to you. It just feels like there's not as much high end talent (you aren't going to run into Kevin Love/Darren Collison/Mbah a Moute/Westbrook UCLA in the Elite 8), but admittedly that could just be a feeling and doesn't speak to how good actual teams are.

[bjf123]

Hmmm....Louisville v Dayton for the national title. That's a tough one. I think I'd just read a book that night.

I just threw up a little. [emoji2961]


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[xubrew]

The extent of my "research" was a quick peek at KP efficiency margins, so I defer to you. It just feels like there's not as much high end talent (you aren't going to run into Kevin Love/Darren Collison/Mbah a Moute/Westbrook UCLA in the Elite 8), but admittedly that could just be a feeling and doesn't speak to how good actual teams are.

Now, you might be right about that. To be honest I'm not a big predictive metrics guy. I know that puts me in the minority. I like Ken Pomeroy. I just don't pay all that much attention to his rankings. But, from a merit standpoint, the wins and losses look pretty much the same as they always do.

[Xavgrad08]

UC gets a big win at home vs Houston. A player for Houston was ejected for allegedly biting a UC player.

[GoMuskies]

Helluva comeback for UC there.

[X-band '01]

UC gets a big win at home vs Houston. A player for Houston was ejected for allegedly biting a UC player.

Best comment I saw about that was "Dude must have skipped Houston's pregame meal"

[xubrew]

UC gets a big win at home vs Houston. A player for Houston was ejected for allegedly biting a UC player.

Isn't biting people sort of against the rules of combat? I mean, even when people get into brawls they still refrain from biting and ball tapping.

[Masterofreality]

Isn't biting people sort of against the rules of combat? I mean, even when people get into brawls they still refrain from biting and ball tapping.

Mike Tyson disagrees

[XU 23]

A whole 5,148 fans showed up to the UCLA game this past Sunday. What has happened to that program?

[GoMuskies]

A whole 5,148 fans showed up to the UCLA game this past Sunday. What has happened to that program?

Have you seen who their coach is? Fans don't show up in LA to see a loser, though. They'll tell you it's because there's "so much to do there". Of course, there are also 13 million people in the MSA, so whatever.

[XU 23]

You know, I don’t think I’d wanna sit in traffic for two hours to watch a Mick Cronin team play either.

[xubrew]

UCLA probably isn't going to the tournament so their fans won't care because they only come out if they're ranked in the top 15, but they are noticeably better than they were a couple of months ago.

[X-band '01]

A whole 5,148 fans showed up to the UCLA game this past Sunday. What has happened to that program?

Umm, that was their Stanford attendance from 2 weeks ago.

They drew a whopping 4,497 "paid" attendance for Utah. That was only 70 more than their season-low attendance of 4,427 for Southern Utah.

[Masterofreality]

Umm, that was their Stanford attendance from 2 weeks ago.

They drew a whopping 4,497 "paid" attendance for Utah. That was only 70 more than their season-low attendance of 4,427 for Southern Utah.

But...but...Cronin is such a Salesman to the Fanbase!! Who wouldn't just enthusiastically blindly follow him??

[xubrew]

The roof is leaking at the Butler v Nova game.

[xavierj]

The roof is leaking at the Butler v Nova game.

Why haven’t they improved that dump? That’s embarrassing.

[scoscox]

holy shit what a game and finish. best game of the year.

[noteggs]

Yes was a great game. Seems like the best formula to beat Villanova

1) leaky roof seemed to help as others pointed out. Sure people at Cintas can figure out a way.
2) stop Bey and Gillespie. Amazing how many points they scored for the team tonight.

[xubrew]

Some more trivia on Evansville over Kentucky...

It's the first time since the 1992-1993 season that a team from one of the 22 conferences that regularly get one bid (I HATE the term mid-major) beat the #1 ranked team in a true road game. I didn't know that until someone told me that.

Evansville was a 24pt underdog. UMBC was just a 20pt underdog when they knocked off Virginia.

It's not the kind of upset you see very often.

I figured I'd bring this up again. College basketball seasons are like fireworks shows. In the moment something is happening it's this big explosion that captures everyone's attention, but once the explosion is over people move on and forget about it pretty quickly and become fixated on the next bunch of explosions. So, people may not have thought about this, but this game has become even more incredible as the season has gone on. Evansville will almost assuredly finish outside the top 250 of nearly every metric, and Kentucky has a really good chance of finishing in the top ten. This might end up being the biggest upset of all time, at least in regards to how far apart the two teams were. Evansville may not win a game for the rest of the year.

What a remarkable (if that's even the suitable word for it) season Evansville is having. They beat Kentucky, they lose their coach in the middle of the season for a rumored reason that is incredible in and of itself, and they may up not even winning a single conference game. The only way this gets better is if after all that they win the MVC Tournament!

[xubrew]

The MEAC is having a rough week.

Bethune Cookman is in danger of closing at the end of the year. The problem is that they're going through their accreditation review and are basically $8 million in the red. They have until March to get it figured out, or they will likely lose their accreditation, and if that happens the school will likely close. This is the second time in five years that a MEAC school ran the risk of not just cutting athletics, but of closing down for good. SC State looked like it was going to shut down a few years ago, but was able to stay open. Hopefully Cookman can as well. I know most people reading this don't care, and I'm not even saying that anyone really should, but you hate to see how being in that situation effects the players of all sports, and all of the other students. The things that led to the school being in this situation has nothing to do with them, and you kind of hate the possibility of so many people suddenly being displaced.

https://diverseeducation.com/article/165827/

North Carolina A&T will likely announce they are leaving the MEAC and joining the Big South tomorrow. It's my understanding that this is primarily for football reasons. They are a top ten FCS program, but the MEAC gave up it's automatic bid to the FCS playoffs in exchange for playing in the Celebration Bowl against the SWAC Champion. MEAC and SWAC teams can still play in the FCS playoffs, but it has to be a situation where a team that didn't win the conference championship ended up earning an at-large bid. NC A&T would rather go to the playoffs than to the Celebration Bowl, I guess. That, and it makes geographic sense. This will take the Big South out to 12 teams, which to me doesn't make sense to have that many teams in a one-bid league.

[GoMuskies]

Jamele Hill (I know, I know) was recently writing for The Undefeated (I know, I know) advocating for highly recruited black athletes to go to HBCUs. I don't think this news is going to help that movement.

[Masterofreality]

holy shit what a game and finish. best game of the year.

It sure was, plus (I think) that was Gus on the call last night.

What a freaking Big Time Game in the Conference! So happy to be in this league. It is amazing what he have become involved in.

[paulxu]

Go, I thought you were going to that game to bring home your Shockers.

Bummer.

[Xavgrad08]

UC picks up a big win at Witchita. Should help UC’s resume. Winthrop won as well. Kelsey’s team is still undefeated in the Big South.

[X-band '01]

Never mind that Winthrop trailed for a good chunk of that game against a team that was last in the Big South. At home. But at least the Fighting Kelseys are still unbeaten in their league.

[GoMuskies]

Go, I thought you were going to that game to bring home your Shockers.

Bummer.

I tried!

[xavierj]

UC picks up a big win at Witchita. Should help UC’s resume. Winthrop won as well. Kelsey’s team is still undefeated in the Big South.

The problem is Wichita State will probably end up with around 8 American conference losses. That ain’t good. They still have to play road games at Houston, Memphis, SMU and Cincinnati. They are currently 5-4 in conference play.

[xcellentx]

The problem is Wichita State will probably end up with around 8 American conference losses. That ain’t good. They still have to play road games at Houston, Memphis, SMU and Cincinnati. They are currently 5-4 in conference play.

It will be interesting to see where they end up. Right now WSU is at 44 in the NET, so this is currently UC's only Q1 win. They are pretty solidly in Q1 there, but you could see WSU fall out of the top 75 with that upcoming schedule not to mention 4 Q3 or worse games that WSU can't afford to lose.

UC will have to stack up wins, and probably won't feel comfortable with their resume without getting a road win at Houston.

[noteggs]

Live long enough and see some things that just don’t surprise you anymore. Not saying it’s real bad but just unusual. Why Javier Simpson got suspended for one game at Michigan.

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2020/02/zavier-simpson-was-suspended-after-wrecking-michigan-ad-warde-manuels-family-car-police-report-shows.html

[X-band '01]

Louisville is melting down against Virginia right now. UVa hits a 3 to tie the game after being down 16.

Oh, and Chris Mack just got T'd up.

[xudash]

Saint Joe’s at LaSalle.

The A-10 is an absolute dumpster fire.

I stopped watching the action on the court and ended up looking at the walls of the gym, waiting for asbestos to puff out of them.

[GIMMFD]

Louisville is melting down against Virginia right now. UVa hits a 3 to tie the game after being down 16.

Oh, and Chris Mack just got T'd up.

File this under: Ya hate to see it.

[GoMuskies]

Amazing how bad Florida has been this year.

[X-band '01]

Congrats to Duke on winning their open scrimmage against UNC tonight. Their real game takes place a month from now.

[paulxu]

Some UC undergraduates decided to see where all the money went.
Unsurprisingly, a lot goes to an athletic department leaking like a sieve.

https://www.boldlybankrupt.com/

[xavierj]

The Elf vs. the cougher is on. Hopefully we see Mick and Sean get in a fight.

[sirthought]

UCLA beats Arizona by 13. That win by Cronin actually helps Xavier's projection for a big dance bid.

Today we should be rooting for wins from Butler, Huston, and Connecticut

[GoMuskies]

UCLA beats Arizona by 13.

I only regret that both teams couldn't lose.

[GoMuskies]

Bob Knight is a terrible person, so I guess I don't feel too sorry for him, but IU exploiting a guy with dementia who vowed otherwise not to come back was sad.

[Xavgrad08]

Uconn takes down UC in overtime.

[X-band '01]

UConn was way overdue for a close/OT win. Couldn't have happened against a nicer group.

Oh, and a great touch by a UConn player making the X sign after the game too.

[Xavgrad08]

Oh, and a great touch by a UConn player making the X sign after the game too.[/QUOTE]

That is great. UC fans complaining online about the officiating is great. Maybe UC shouldn’t give up 18 offensive rebounds. Really hoping UC gets left out of the dance.

[GoMuskies]

I thought Xavier's offense was tough to watch. Wichita State makes Xavier look like Hank Gathers/Bo Kimble Loyola Marymount.

[xubrew]

Wichita just cut it to 19!!!

[X-band '01]

Juan Bid American?

[xavierj]

Juan Bid American?

Could be if Houston wins the conference tourney, but they will probably take a dive in the conference tourney. UC probably has to win out with their 3 bad losses. Memphis probably ends up with 7 or 8 conference losses and in that conference, that is just not good.