2020 Recruits

[paulxu]

Nice article on Grant in Athletic, which reminded me we use to be Power Forward U with the likes of Strong, Grant, West, etc.

Guess kids leave earlier now, but we haven't developed a diamond in the rough like Grant in a while, and he was drafted #8.

Funny note was that he went on a visit to UC, but they didn't think he could pass the ACT...so he passed on them.

[scoscox]

He also said something about Huggins not being very personable with him on the visit in an interview once.

Tyrone hill, Derek strong, Aaron Williams, Brian Grant, James posey, David west. Pretty good run for a school in the Mcc and A-10

And to think hill, strong and Williams all played on the same team at one point. Talk about a fromtcourt. That Georgetown game had 3 future lottery picks and five future nba players in the frontcourt alone

[GoMuskies]

And to think hill, strong and Williams all played on the same team at one point

Mutumbo, Mourning and John Thompson are all keenly aware of that fact.

Between them, those three managed a "paltry" 14,740 points and 11,857 rebounds in their NBA careers.

[scoscox]

Arguably the most talented Xavier team in history. Maybe not even arguably

[scoscox]

https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Board/105490/Contents/Yes-I-did-it-135433980/

Threads like these always tempt me to join musketeerreport, but my cheap nature always holds me back. the title cracked me up

[94GRAD]

https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Board/105490/Contents/Yes-I-did-it-135433980/

Threads like these always tempt me to join musketeerreport, but my cheap nature always holds me back. the title cracked me up

I see that you're not Supporting Member here. It's only $12.50 a year. I think you can afford that.

[xukeith]

6' 8 Max Murrell 4 star power forward made his oral commitment to Stanford today. That helps X!

[GIMMFD]

https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Board/105490/Contents/Yes-I-did-it-135433980/

Threads like these always tempt me to join musketeerreport, but my cheap nature always holds me back. the title cracked me up

Lmfao the TL;DR is Brian Snow saying he put in a Crystal Ball for Carlson

[JTG]

Nice article on Grant in Athletic, which reminded me we use to be Power Forward U with the likes of Strong, Grant, West, etc.

Guess kids leave earlier now, but we haven't developed a diamond in the rough like Grant in a while, and he was drafted #8.

Funny note was that he went on a visit to UC, but they didn't think he could pass the ACT...so he passed on them.

Couldn't get into UC ??? Did they think he was brain dead ? Look at some of the dumbos that have attended UC.

[paulxu]

I see that you're not Supporting Member here. It's only $12.50 a year. I think you can afford that.

Boom !

[Muskie in dayton]

WOW! Crystal ball has shifted to X 67%

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Ben-Carlson-at-East-Ridge-194502/CurrentExpertPredictions/

Up to 83% now!

[Muskie in dayton]

Couldn't get into UC ??? Did they think he was brain dead ? Look at some of the dumbos that have attended UC.

That’s because UC is dumb. I was in a couple classes with Grant and he was pretty smart and participated well.

[bobbiemcgee]

Up to 83% now!

Jerry Meyer flipped from Stanford to X!

[noteggs]

Lead expert. Think that’s good.

[GIMMFD]

Jerry Meyer flipped from Stanford to X!

I still think it's gonna take some time and Carlson will take his time on his visits, but definitely good news for us! Hopefully he can round off back to back incredible classes.

[UCGRAD4X]

I still think it's gonna take some time and Carlson will take his time on his visits, but definitely good news for us! Hopefully he can round off back to back incredible classes.

That's what it takes. If you only occasionally have a top notch recruiting class - and really bomb out occasionally - that is not a recipe for getting to the next level. You need to string a few really good classes and you can absorb an occasional class that just doesn't work out.

[X-man]

I still think it's gonna take some time and Carlson will take his time on his visits, but definitely good news for us! Hopefully he can round off back to back incredible classes.

Carlson is visiting Purdue this weekend, before closing with a visit to Iowa State at the end of the month. I would expect a decision in early October. Purdue worries me the most at this point, but I still believe that Carlson will end up a Muskie.

[bobbiemcgee]

Carlson is visiting Purdue this weekend, before closing with a visit to Iowa State at the end of the month. I would expect a decision in early October. Purdue worries me the most at this point, but I still believe that Carlson will end up a Muskie.

Painter has been feverishly pursuing Ryan Kalkbrenner with an in home visit yesterday. Unfortunately for us, Kalk just got an offer from Kansas which may cause him to delay his commitment to PU. Boiler fans think it's first come/first served between Kalk and Carlson. I think it's back to X/PU and he'll decide soon.

[scoscox]

It’d be a real shame if they missed on both

[JTG]

I've said it before, we've had little luck against Purdue in recruiting. I hope this time is different.

[GIMMFD]

That's what it takes. If you only occasionally have a top notch recruiting class - and really bomb out occasionally - that is not a recipe for getting to the next level. You need to string a few really good classes and you can absorb an occasional class that just doesn't work out.

Yup, completely with you on that, Steele's recruiting work has been nothing short of impressive, and has helped set up a foundation for future success. Obviously his in game management and what not still will need some fine tuning, but no first time head coach is going to be perfect. These two classes are really exciting for the program.


Carlson is visiting Purdue this weekend, before closing with a visit to Iowa State at the end of the month. I would expect a decision in early October. Purdue worries me the most at this point, but I still believe that Carlson will end up a Muskie.

I'm slightly worried about Purdue as well, I'm hoping you're right. Purdue has a great program as well, and is also a great school. Painter recruits well, I'm hoping Steele and company can have Carlson locked up soon, we need a solid big man recruit, and Carlson has the ability to contribute for us! Gonna be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

[xudash]

We are going to get this kid.

Moving up from an already lofty plateau.

[scoscox]

He did post a few Instagram stories from Purdue this weekend and never posted any from his Xavier visit. I’m paranoid and don’t like that at all

[XU22]

He did post a few Instagram stories from Purdue this weekend and never posted any from his Xavier visit. I’m paranoid and don’t like that at all

No need to be paranoid. Steele has done everything he can to lock this thing down, kid just wants to take some free visits and then will end up committing to X and signing in the fall.

[xukeith]

No need to be paranoid. Steele has done everything he can to lock this thing down, kid just wants to take some free visits and then will end up committing to X and signing in the fall.

X is a favorite but no lock. I bet he hasn't made his mind up yet.

[Murph85]

While until he signs it’s not a lock, the experts who’s job it is to follow this have X as mega favorite.

Rumor is he does not visit Iowa State

[scoscox]

Glad to hear that. Now I'm anxious again for the Steele lightning tweet.

[GIMMFD]

While until he signs it’s not a lock, the experts who’s job it is to follow this have X as mega favorite.

Rumor is he does not visit Iowa State

Yup, I'm with you on that, the crystal ball feature is so underrated for 247, those guys are usually at a 80-90% rate of being correct. Fingers crossed this isn't the one exception, but things definitely seem to be good so far!

[sirthought]

Who is the source of the rumor? You guys never say "I heard it from..."

[scoscox]

Typically either snow or broering

[Xuperman]

He did post a few Instagram stories from Purdue this weekend and never posted any from his Xavier visit. I’m paranoid and don’t like that at all

Yeah, hard to understand his silence. If for some reason we don’t get him it gets interesting.

4 star PF Keon Ambrose-Hilton cut his list to 10 and X no longer being considered....thought Dante had a shot at keeping us in the running. And there was some interest in that Gabe Madsen kid but he committed to UC (along with his brother). If Carlson doesn’t become a Muskie one would think that X would focus on bringing in a guy in the 200 range to fill a specific need. Most likely there will be 3 open slots and transfer big will be on the want list come next fall regardless.

[XU22]

Who is the source of the rumor? You guys never say "I heard it from..."

I heard it from a recruiting analyst. Confirmed with a member of the staff.

[GIMMFD]

Who is the source of the rumor? You guys never say "I heard it from..."

Jerry Meyer (Director of Basketball Scouting at 247) has a crystal ball into X (74% correct all time)
Mark Miller (Wisconsin 247 Editor) has a crystal ball into X (70% correct all time)
Brian Snow (our guy obvi) has one in for X (93%)
Chris Fisher (UK recruiting insider) has one in for X (73%)
Evan Flood (Wisconsin recruiting insider) has one in for X (68%)

That's the 5 out of 6 crystal balls put in for Ben Carlson.

[xu82]

Jerry Meyer (Director of Basketball Scouting at 247) has a crystal ball into X (74% correct all time)
Mark Miller (Wisconsin 247 Editor) has a crystal ball into X (70% correct all time)
Brian Snow (our guy obvi) has one in for X (93%)
Chris Fisher (UK recruiting insider) has one in for X (73%)
Evan Flood (Wisconsin recruiting insider) has one in for X (68%)

That's the 5 out of 6 crystal balls put in for Ben Carlson.

BUT, what does the Magic 8 Ball say? I count on that for most of my important life decisions!

[paulxu]

https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/MakeSchool-Tutorials/Magic-8Ball-Swift4@35b74642ac78aabdcfdc7141e659894755bf25d8/P1-Getting-Started/assets/signs_point.jpg

[xu82]

https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/MakeSchool-Tutorials/Magic-8Ball-Swift4@35b74642ac78aabdcfdc7141e659894755bf25d8/P1-Getting-Started/assets/signs_point.jpg

Alright, I’m feeling encouraged. I just needed a solid source!

[xudash]

Do we have a resident stats guru?

So, what are our real chances with those many predictions at those respective percentages?

Then throw-in 82’s 8 ball.

[Murph85]

The Carlson recruitment has gone south. It is looking like he is joining a teammate at Wisconsin. No announcement yet but Steele and company were in Minn. to make a last ditch effort and it does not appear to have been successful.

[GoMuskies]

The Carlson recruitment has gone south. It is looking like he is joining a teammate at Wisconsin. No announcement yet but Steele and company were in Minn. to make a last ditch effort and it does not appear to have been successful.

Well, if this is true, then I never really wanted him anyway.

If it's not true, then I love this kid and think he's the piece that will finally put us over the top and into the Final Four!

[XU22]

The Carlson recruitment has gone south. It is looking like he is joining a teammate at Wisconsin. No announcement yet but Steele and company were in Minn. to make a last ditch effort and it does not appear to have been successful.

Steele and staff believed it was a done deal after the last visit. Kid changed his mind. Not much you can do.

Wisconsin was pitching to him that they would use him in a Frank Kaminisky type of role.

[XU 87]

Steele and staff believed it was a done deal after the last visit. Kid changed his mind. Not much you can do.

Wisconsin was pitching to him that they would use him in a Frank Kaminisky type of role.

That sucks. I don't think X has a plan B for Carlson at this point.

[JTG]

F*cking Wisconsin.

[bleedXblue]

Sounds like the kid wants to stay close to home and go to Wisky with a current teammate. Sound a little familiar? Ridder from last year?

[xukeith]

That sucks. I don't think X has a plan B for Carlson at this point.

X missed out on two top 100 big guys. So they likely will get another grad transfer.

[scoscox]

seems like an odd turn of events. reportedly, he was on the verge of committing to us, his friend and teammate, who plays basically the same position, commits to wisconsin and he decides he wants to go there to play with him. were they always planning to play together? i can understand wanting to play with a friend it just seems like it came out of nowhere

[xufan02]

The staff swung for the fences on this one. This truly was an interesting recruitment. You just have to tip your cap and move on. Xavier has another big visiting this weekend. Let's see if we are able to work our way into the recruitment.

[xukeith]

Who was the poster who wrote he had sources that guaranteed X would get Ben? People were swearing by the 247 site predictions.
Never celebrate until the prospect signs the paperwork.

[xukeith]

The staff swung for the fences on this one. This truly was an interesting recruitment. You just have to tip your cap and move on. Xavier has another big visiting this weekend. Let's see if we are able to work our way into the recruitment.

Who was the other big?

[scoscox]

tbh i wouldn't blame a power forward for not committing in this class. we just brought in freemantle, ramsey, and miles at the F/C spots this year. that's a lot of competition

[XU 87]

Who was the poster who wrote he had sources that guaranteed X would get Ben? People were swearing by the 247 site predictions.
Never celebrate until the prospect signs the paperwork.

Eh, that's a misstatement and exaggeration. Nobody guaranteed it. Nobody was celebrating. We, me included, did say that it was looking like he was coming here, as did the people on 247. And it's ok to get a little pumped up about a recruit looking like he's going to commit soon. When you watch a game, do you just sit there and don't say a word until you see the outcome? Same thing here.

[noteggs]

Looks like Matrice Mitchell is a “high choice” for X according 247. Not sure if that’s the case or they haven’t updated web site and we’re not recruiting him anymore. Don’t know much about him except for 247 has him at 124 and 129 at Rivals.

[xavier513]

Looks like Matrice Mitchell is a “high choice” for X according 247. Not sure if that’s the case or they haven’t updated web site and we’re not recruiting him anymore. Don’t know much about him except for 247 has him at 124 and 129 at Rivals.

Martice Mitchell is visiting X this weekend, I believe for an official visit. He was the backup plan to Ben Carlson (Wisconsin) and Jalen Bridges (West Virginia). If he doesn't commit to X then I'd guess that scholarship gets pocketed for a transfer.

[noteggs]

Martice Mitchell is visiting X this weekend, I believe for an official visit. He was the backup plan to Ben Carlson (Wisconsin) and Jalen Bridges (West Virginia). If he doesn't commit to X then I'd guess that scholarship gets pocketed for a transfer.

Thanks for update! Anyone know anything about him besides he’s 6’10”

[Final4]

tbh i wouldn't blame a power forward for not committing in this class. we just brought in freemantle, ramsey, and miles at the F/C spots this year. that's a lot of competition

Not to mention Jason Carter (a proven commodity) with two years of eligibility who has a very similar game to Carlson.

[XU22]

Martice Mitchell is visiting X this weekend, I believe for an official visit. He was the backup plan to Ben Carlson (Wisconsin) and Jalen Bridges (West Virginia). If he doesn't commit to X then I'd guess that scholarship gets pocketed for a transfer.

He is the top target right now. Kid has a ton of potential. Very high on X. Oregon, Maryland, Iowa other top schools for him.

[noteggs]

Just noticed we still have a higher ranked 2020 recruiting class than Wisconsin even though they have 5 committed to our 3 according 247. I’ll take quality over quantity any day. Not to say it doesn’t suck we lost out on Carlson, but takes a little of the sting away. Maybe not...

[xu82]

https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/MakeSchool-Tutorials/Magic-8Ball-Swift4@35b74642ac78aabdcfdc7141e659894755bf25d8/P1-Getting-Started/assets/signs_point.jpg

Not the first time that damn 8 Ball has let me down!

[xukeith]

Steele and staff believed it was a done deal after the last visit. Kid changed his mind. Not much you can do.

Wisconsin was pitching to him that they would use him in a Frank Kaminisky type of role.

Steele, Mack and Miller have all won recruiting battles and lost them. I doubt in their profession that they said it was a "done" deal. Why expose themselves and history has shown "done" deals have not always panned out. We fans know that it is fair to not celebrate until they sign the letter of intent....ore fwiw gets on campus and plays a game.

[xukeith]

You have the right to get pumped and excited but to "feel" jacked about a 17-18 year old's intention is vulnerable in a cut throat recruiting battle. This comes around often with recruiting.

All fans should cheer the X team on before during and after a game. Very different than thinking a recruit commits because a neighbor says it is a done eal. The "experts" hedge their bets when asked about a recruit. We learned something today.

[drudy23]

Wake me up when they sign the LOI. Otherwise, it's like a dream.

[JTG]

This only means another reason to hate Wisconsin on a UC/ Dayton level.

[XU 87]

You have the right to get pumped and excited but to "feel" jacked about a 17-18 year old's intention is vulnerable in a cut throat recruiting battle. This comes around often with recruiting.

All fans should cheer the X team on before during and after a game. Very different than thinking a recruit commits because a neighbor says it is a done eal. The "experts" hedge their bets when asked about a recruit. We learned something today.

We learned nothing. Everyone knows that recruits can and do change their minds at the last second. It happens all the time.

[sirthought]

Well, that sucks. It seems like he'll be a good college player. It should be interesting to see how our bigs develop this year, as we'll need talented depth.

I still say if you're sharing something you've heard on this site, you should say where you've heard it from. Then we can each judge who to trust.

I could say I heard "rumors" about anything.

[XU 87]

I still say if you're sharing something you've heard on this site, you should say where you've heard it from. Then we can each judge who to trust.



Not sure I agree with that. For example, we once had a poster who provided a lot of recruiting info before we had the recruiting sites like 247. His source was his XU roommate, who was a basketball manager. There was no way the poster was going to disclose his roommate's name or position on an internet site, unless he wanted his roommate to become his ex-source.

I have occasionally learned over the years that a few of our current and past posters do in fact have sources "close to the program". There's no way they are going to disclose who those sources are though.

[scoscox]

We learned nothing. Everyone knows that recruits can and do change their minds at the last second. It happens all the time.

Just interesting that a kid that was supposedly taking his time, seems to be on the verge of committing to us, his friend commits somewhere else, and then he changes his mind and commits the next day. he must really like this kid

[JTG]

I definitely don't have the best memory, but I don't remember the last 99% sure X recruit making a left turn fooling everyone.

[XU 87]

I definitely don't have the best memory, but I don't remember the last 99% sure X recruit making a left turn fooling everyone.

The recruit from two years ago who went to Purdue. All the "crystal balls" had him coming to X.

[XU 87]

Just interesting that a kid that was supposedly taking his time, seems to be on the verge of committing to us, his friend commits somewhere else, and then he changes his mind and commits the next day. he must really like this kid

The 247 site has some insight about what happened. Interesting stuff, it was nothing really against X, and it sounds like his change of mind had little to do with this other kid committing to Wisconsin.

[XU22]

Just interesting that a kid that was supposedly taking his time, seems to be on the verge of committing to us, his friend commits somewhere else, and then he changes his mind and commits the next day. he must really like this kid

Wasn't all about the other kid. Although it definitely helped.

Carlson believed the Big Ten was going to be a better place to showcase his skills, face better bigs, face better competition overall, etc. Gard was selling him on being Frank Kaminsky 2.0 (which is a bit of stretch but okay...), they were telling the kid he can start from Day 1, selling they are closer to home, and his friend going there is just the cherry on top.

Kids change their minds all the time.

I like the Mitchell kid, but I could also see Steele going with a 5th year just wanting someone who is ready to contribute now.

[JTG]

Don't anyone take this the wrong way. In fact I'm hesitant to say it. But could Carlson's choice have anything to do with Wisky's penchant for what I refer to as "whiteguy basketball" ? They always strike me as looking like rec league guys on steroids. Lots of passing cutting and low scoring boring games. And usually more than the usual # of caucasians for a power 5 team.

[scoscox]

Wasn't all about the other kid. Although it definitely helped.

Carlson believed the Big Ten was going to be a better place to showcase his skills, face better bigs, face better competition overall, etc. Gard was selling him on being Frank Kaminsky 2.0 (which is a bit of stretch but okay...), they were telling the kid he can start from Day 1, selling they are closer to home, and his friend going there is just the cherry on top.

Kids change their minds all the time.

I like the Mitchell kid, but I could also see Steele going with a 5th year just wanting someone who is ready to contribute now.

the playing time thing makes a lot of sense, we just brought in 3 guys at that position basically and already have carter as well. he'd have serious competition for minutes

[Juice]

the playing time thing makes a lot of sense, we just brought in 3 guys at that position basically and already have carter as well. he'd have serious competition for minutes

He was seen as a complementary player to the three big men we brought in and a replacement to Carter. X was selling him on being a frosh with Carter as a senior and then take over after Carter. X couldn't offer immediate minutes but the "4" position gets thin very quickly once Carter is gone which is why X put on the full court press with Carlson. He was a definite need and not seen as a luxury.

[bobbiemcgee]

Bag the scholly. Steele will pull off another incredible deal.

[IM4X]

It may come across as sounding like sour grapes, but in all honesty, I was just never “wowed” by what I saw from Carlson in the paint. He looks to me like a less mobile and much less physical version of Fremantle. It’s nice that he can shoot from outside, but I would love us to get someone with a little bit more toughness and physicality.

I feel like the coaches will end up finding someone who’s an even better fit for the team.

[Lloyd Braun]

Unless you base your hopes on crystal balls this is not a shocker. He didn’t commit after his official visit. He didn’t commit after the ENTIRE COACHING STAFF flew to Minnesota the following week to get him to commit. And that’s ok. He is a good player but we aren’t talking about a top of the line 5 star recruit that’ll vault the program into another tier.

A 5th year senior is a good idea especially if he’s a glue guy/defender guy

[sirthought]

Yeah, let's not throw shade on this kid's playing ability. He's one of the top forwards in the class. That's what the program is after, every single year. UofW got a good one for sure.

[XU22]

Steele, John Brannen, and Kenny Payne from UK all in today for JJ Traynor.

https://247sports.com/Player/JJ-Traynor-46086255/

[Xuperman]

Steele, John Brannen, and Kenny Payne from UK all in today for JJ Traynor.

https://247sports.com/Player/JJ-Traynor-46086255/

Steele is a stone cold recruiter.....Carlson bails and he’s already back in there swinging! According to the 247 timeline, X must have just offered him today!

[Xuperman]

Unfazed by the Carlson situation, looks like Coach is determined to add a 2020 frontcourt guy. Nice to see him continue being aggressive in targeting 4 Star talent but if that doesn’t pan out Freemantle should tell Coach to apply the “bring a friend” strategy and offer Matt Zona of Bergman Catholic. He and ZFree had great chemistry and success playing together and are most certainly good friends. He’s kinda a more rugged version of Carlson anyway. Rising 3 Star and his recruitment is picking up. Just received offer from Vandy along with others from Notre Dame and Penn State.

[Xville]

I'm not really impressed by Steele moving on to other guys in the pipeline. That is an expectation of the job...just like in corporate sales, keep the pipeline full enough so that if you lose out on one, you still have enough to fall back on.

What I will be impressed with though, is if he can close one of these guys.

[Xuperman]

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeCoachRankings/

Here’s a very interesting poll...now if we can just hold on to them!

[xukeith]

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeCoachRankings/

Here’s a very interesting poll...now if we can just hold on to them!

Who ranks these assistant coaches? Is it explained?

[xukeith]

I'm not really impressed by Steele moving on to other guys in the pipeline. That is an expectation of the job...just like in corporate sales, keep the pipeline full enough so that if you lose out on one, you still have enough to fall back on.

What I will be impressed with though, is if he can close one of these guys.

I imagine all coaches are texting to 20-30 recruits daily and keeping all insurance on recruits to come to X. Coaches never stop talking JUST in case one does not commit. I bet they are in talks with guards just in case the 2020 verbals change their mind.

[IM4X]

Congratulations to the brilliant Jerry Meyer from 24/7 sports for correctly predicting Ben Carlson would choose Wisconsin... apparently switching it from X after Carlson announced his commitment.

No wonder his prediction percentage rate is so high.

[XU22]

Who ranks these assistant coaches? Is it explained?

Coaches are ranked based off the ranking of the recruit and the quantity of recruits as well. So for example Scheyer from Duke is at #1 because he has 3 top 30 kids committed where he is listed as the primary recruiter.

Eric Mobley who has 1 commitment even though it is the #1 kid in the country still only ranks 8th.

[GIMMFD]

Unless you base your hopes on crystal balls this is not a shocker. He didn’t commit after his official visit. He didn’t commit after the ENTIRE COACHING STAFF flew to Minnesota the following week to get him to commit. And that’s ok. He is a good player but we aren’t talking about a top of the line 5 star recruit that’ll vault the program into another tier.

A 5th year senior is a good idea especially if he’s a glue guy/defender guy

I agree with you that you shouldn't take 247 as set in stone, reading through I didn't think the Crystal Ball thing would make such a ruckus. They aren't 100%, nothing is guaranteed, but usually is a safe bet. I definitely think we had a good chance, I really thought he was going to take a couple more weeks to keep sorting through it, but I guess Wisconsin just found a way to really blow him away. Good luck to him, but if X and Wisky ever play while he's there, I hope we beat them like rented mules. Agreed as well with he isn't a transcendent 5*, but he was still a sharp looking prospect, I'd definitely be okay with a graduate transfer because we'll need experience, 5 freshmen this year, 4 next year, need a little bit of experience and age to balance some things out.


https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeCoachRankings/

Here’s a very interesting poll...now if we can just hold on to them!

Though the rankings are only based off really who they get to commit, Coach Hayes and Coach Johnson are really good recruiters if you look at their profiles. Georgia and Minnesota aren't exactly national powerhouses, but they got some pretty good talent there, and obviously recruiting here at X has had a decent little uptick from it as well. I don't think we're gonna hold on to them for long, but I hope as long as possible, I definitely see those two getting an opportunity to be head coaches somewhere.

[EastCoastXman]

I'm in with Xuperman on Matt Zona. Bergen Catholic was #2 team in NJ and Zfree and Zona were a great combo.

[EastCoastXman]

CJ Wilcher's younger brother already getting some offers. When did X have a high caliber brother duo?

[Xuperman]

Hey EASTCOAST, nice to hear from you! No doubt Zona is gonna kill it this year and be a hot commodity come spring. He's not on the Xavier radar for some reason but a clean cut BC kid should be.

BTW, what is the word on Bretner Mutombo playing for St. Patrick? Any chance he doesn't end up a Hoya and becomes a Musketeer? Any local chatter on Trey Patterson out of Rutgers Prep? He holds a Xavier offer also.

[whopper]

in JAN 2017 I saw a game at Hackensack HS (a huge gym) as part of a triple header with Bergen Cath vs Notre Dame (Conn) my alma mater. We had Tremont Waters, Jalani White(all MAAC tournament as fresh) and Conor Raines(DI at UTex-rio grande). BC had a Fairfield Recruit and Zona (6'8" fresh)a very good game. Freemantle must have been hurt but did not show up on box score. Waters hit a 3 at buzzer after a 1 hr delay as Fried Dough machine caught on fire at 10:30. Zona a tough player like many ND South Bend Bangers..not a 3 pt threat. What a game..best game I ever saw and left at 1 AM

[X Factor]

Don't anyone take this the wrong way. In fact I'm hesitant to say it. But could Carlson's choice have anything to do with Wisky's penchant for what I refer to as "whiteguy basketball" ? They always strike me as looking like rec league guys on steroids. Lots of passing cutting and low scoring boring games. And usually more than the usual # of caucasians for a power 5 team.

There should be nothing controversial in your post. Facts are facts, and UW always has more white kids, most of them forwards and centers, on their team than just about any other Power 5 school. If you're a skilled, big, white kid from the midwest, chances are UW is going to be on your final list of schools.

[IM4X]

Hey EASTCOAST, nice to hear from you! No doubt Zona is gonna kill it this year and be a hot commodity come spring. He's not on the Xavier radar for some reason but a clean cut BC kid should be.

I am with you and eastcoastman. Zona was looked impressive this past season and he will only get better this coming season. If he works a little more on his foot work and quickness, I could see him possibly becoming a 4*.

Also, I thought BC’s Doug Edert (SG) would have received more offers from some bigger name D1 schools. That kid can really play too. I am a little surprised he was only rated as a 2 star (instead of 3) and that he ended up committing to St. Peter’s. At least it is still a D1 school and his team will get to play a few BE schools this season.

[EastCoastXman]

Edert ending up at St Pete's will work for him. With Shaheen Hollaway as head coach, he will get great guard coaching. Shaheen was loved as ass't at Seton Hall and SHU's best recruiter. Still learning the 1st chair and year 2 should be much better for the Peacocks.

[IM4X]

So what I think I’m hearing you say is that this team could make some noise this year or next with a bunch of skilled players who were a bit under the radar. I’ll have to keep any eye on the team this year.

[xukeith]

So what I think I’m hearing you say is that this team could make some noise this year or next with a bunch of skilled players who were a bit under the radar. I’ll have to keep any eye on the team this year.

Didn't know you could hear these words. I imagine 99% of basketball teams assume they will perform better with less talent. Famously, "We like to sneak up on people."

[IM4X]

Didn't know you could hear these words. I imagine 99% of basketball teams assume they will perform better with less talent. Famously, "We like to sneak up on people."

Yup. I hear all the words I read in my head. It’s just more enjoyable that way.

As for St. Peter’s: We’ll learn a bit more about the quality of players and coaches they have when they play Providence on 11/16.

[scoscox]

Louisville is gonna miss out on deivon Smith and miss on all their top targets... hmmm sounds familiar. Hate to see it

[xufan02]

Louisville is gonna miss out on deivon Smith and miss on all their top targets... hmmm sounds familiar. Hate to see it

Yeah, not ideal for Mack. A lot programs are negative recruiting Louisville. He also had two guys that he prioritized and Duke and now Kentucky have swooped in to close the deal or take the lead.

He does however have a top 5 freshman class with 6 bodies and a 7th in a sit one play two transfer. The roster is not depleted, but might get blanked.

[scoscox]

Absolutely hate to see it

[Xville]

Louisville is gonna miss out on deivon Smith and miss on all their top targets... hmmm sounds familiar. Hate to see it

That's too bad...Mack's a chump

[GIMMFD]

Louisville is gonna miss out on deivon Smith and miss on all their top targets... hmmm sounds familiar. Hate to see it

Couldn't have happened to a better guy

[xufan02]

Mack lands #1 Juco and likely one and done 1st rounder Jay Scrubb. Not a bad pull for one year; kid is a 5 star talent, just not good at school.

[Xavgrad08]

That is a big pickup for Mack. Will be interesting to see if he ever steps foot on campus as he might declare for the draft this spring.

[GoMuskies]

JJ Traynor (son of Louisville legend Jason Osborne) is on an unofficial to Xavier today according to Scout.

[xukeith]

JJ Traynor (son of Louisville legend Jason Osborne) is on an unofficial to Xavier today according to Scout.

Hope Deonte and Quinton know him from KY games. He would be just as big of a catch as that Ben dude.
Snag him away from Louisville....I hope and pray.

[XU22]

Hope Deonte and Quinton know him from KY games. He would be just as big of a catch as that Ben dude.
Snag him away from Louisville....I hope and pray.

UK, and UC also heavily involved for Traynor.

KyKy and Dieonte both know Traynor. Don't know if Q does.

[XU 87]

UK, and UC also heavily involved for Traynor.

KyKy and Dieonte both know Traynor. Don't know if Q does.

I don't think any kid from Kentucky ever turns down a scholarship to UK, unless he's from Louisville and UL also offers.

[scoscox]

I don't think any kid from Kentucky ever turns down a scholarship to UK, unless he's from Louisville and UL also offers.

kyky kind of turned them down. atleast his dad did by default

[GoMuskies]

I don't think any kid from Kentucky ever turns down a scholarship to UK, unless he's from Louisville and UL also offers.

I think Traynor is plan Z for UK.

[scoscox]

They're recruiting 5 PF/C's ranked higher than him right now and one ranked lower and they already have a commitment from another, so more like plan G. Looks like they'll probably get isaiah todd as well

[XU 87]

kyky kind of turned them down. atleast his dad did by default

247 site says that Kyky did not have offers from either UK or UL.

[sirthought]

247 site says that Kyky did not have offers from either UK or UL.

He was considered to be going to UK, but his father started to make some demands as far as minutes, or so I read on message boards. UK fans were talking like it was his father who forced the UK staff to look elsewhere. I don't think 247 administers those offers super accurately for every player.

[xukeith]

He was considered to be going to UK, but his father started to make some demands as far as minutes, or so I read on message boards. UK fans were talking like it was his father who forced the UK staff to look elsewhere. I don't think 247 administers those offers super accurately for every player.

No idea if KyKy got an interest from UK but his father did mention Kentucky and how he was not a "fit" for UK.
Not sure how many legs this story has but I too, read this on some message board. Nevertheless, He is our energetic freak athlete. Hope he is doing well, happy and hitting his academics.

Go X!!

[EastCoastXman]

Here is a little recap of Fall Ball tournament in Philly this weekend and CJ/Roselle Catholic. He is playing with and against some high level talent this year.
This will be an exciting year for RC and you can follow him and his team on Twitter at RC Basketball. Let's keep an eye on his brother!

There is nothing like rewinding the tape and looking at some of the premier talents around the country. That is why we took a look at the Roselle Catholic vs. Archbishop Stepinac game that took place this past weekend in the #NEFallInvite event.
Loaded with high-major talent and commits already, here are some of our thoughts from what we saw from the game.
2020 G C.J. Wilcher (Xavier Commit) – Roselle Catholic
A 6’4 strong-bodied guard, who we absolutely loved his ability to knock down outside jumpers. Strong frame, he finds ways to create space for himself, can initiate and push the tempo, and has a ton of confidence in his outside shot, especially from three.
2020 6’5 Niels Lane (Florida commit) – Roselle Catholic
A tremendous sized prospect on the wing that can be a difference-maker in several areas. What really stood out was his footwork, his IQ, and awareness on the defensive end. He uses his length to his advantage and that can be said as well on the offensive end, getting to the rim. Like his upside.
2020 6’10 Cliff Omoruyi – Roselle Catholic
What makes Cliff so intriguing is how long he makes himself on the court. Offensively, he uses his size to his advantage along with his wingspan, making himself available height-wise with active hands and feet. Always moving, he does the same on the defensive end, rebounding the ball very well and being disruptive. Also liked his ability to stretch the floor offensively, showing confidence in his outside jumper. Sporting a ton of big offers, he will be making his final decision in the spring as far as recruitment goes.
2021 6’7 Adrian Griffin Jr. – Archbishop Stepinac
Simply wired to score the basketball on so many levels. He understands how to break down defenders, he can get out in transition and he uses his frame to embrace contact; Griffin can get his shot off when he wants. He wants the ball in his hands that is for sure and he is looking to put points on the board. Think he works best when he doesn’t settle and gets downhill, attacking the rim and using his body. The latest with Griffin is that he just picked up an offer from Kentucky.
2021 6’8 Malcolm Chimezie – Archbishop Stepinac
What caught my eye about Chimezie was not only a solid rebounder but how he looked working in the two-man game on offense. In pick and roll situations, Chimezie made himself available and rolled to the basket very well. He uses his sturdy frame to battle down low and we can see why college coaches are looking his way. He also doesn’t force much when it isn’t there.
2022 6’3 Corey Floyd Jr. – Roselle Catholic
Walker brings explosion and athleticism to the floor immediately when watching him. Already sporting a great frame for a 2022 prospect, he really can have an impact on several areas of the game and it should only continue to rise throughout the season. Ha has been earning high-major offers and that should continue.
Also, keep an eye on 2023 guard Simeon Wilcher, who has already earned high-major offers as well and will be playing for Roselle Catholic.

[XU22]

Steele reached out to D'Andre Davis after he de-committed from Nebraska this weekend.

Had a great season on the EYBL for the Indy Heat.

[surfxu]

It will be interesting to see which recruits will be in town for Muskie Madness this Friday. There's probably a list that will be floating out there somewhere on a pay site. Hopefully there's some good fan support to put on a good show. There's definitely a lot of anticipation for this season. Maybe Snoop Dog will show up and rap about blunts and ho's like he did at Kansas a couple of weeks ago. Fr Graham would really love that I'm sure!! not...

[Xuperman]

Thanks for the heads up on the Northeast Invitational. Wilcher loves the 3 ball and looks to be a natural leader!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vsrXblXdZes

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXm0ag1XgTE

[Xavgrad08]

looks like Louisville officially offered JJ Traynor.

[EastCoastXman]

That 2nd link on youtube was a great interview with CJ Xuper. Love him repping the X gear. RC is loaded with talent and I hope he brings little bro along to Victory Parkway. I will take in a few RC games this year and provide some updates. Back in the day when I played at Union Catholic, RC was our rival school.

[noteggs]

Steele reached out to D'Andre Davis after he de-committed from Nebraska this weekend.

Had a great season on the EYBL for the Indy Heat.

From Twitter

Lawrence Central's D'Andre Davis has official visits set:

Louisville - Oct. 18 weekend
Xavier - Oct. 25 weekend
Purdue - Nov. 1 weekend

[Xavgrad08]

From Twitter

Lawrence Central's D'Andre Davis has official visits set:

Louisville - Oct. 18 weekend
Xavier - Oct. 25 weekend
Purdue - Nov. 1 weekend

Davis just committed to Louisville on his visit.

[bobbiemcgee]

Recruits @ Madness according to Shannon


CeArius Warren 2021
Trey Woodward 2021
Kaleb Washington 2021
Tyler Shirley 2021
Trey James 2021
Trey Kaufman 2021
Ryan Owens 2021
Paul McMillan 2022
Bowen Hardman 2022

[noteggs]

Recruits @ Madness according to Shannon


CeArius Warren 2021
Trey Woodward 2021
Kaleb Washington 2021
Tyler Shirley 2021
Trey James 2021
Trey Kaufman 2021
Ryan Owens 2021
Paul McMillan 2022
Bowen Hardman 2022

Surprised we didn’t have Trey Patterson in for madness. Looks like we had every other Trey visit from the 2021 class.

[bleedXblue]

Davis just committed to Louisville on his visit.

WTF? I know he was likely going there anyway, but why schedule the visit?

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Must have been the hookers.

[EastCoastXman]

Congrats to CJ IS8 Nike All Tournament Team Player of the Year. Along with 1st teamers Niels Lane and Cliff O from RC. Big Senior Year coming.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our 2019 Fall Tip- Off Classic ALL TOURNAMENT TEAMS <br><br>Congrats to <a href="https://twitter.com/RoselleCatholic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RoselleCatholic</a>, our Tip off classic Champions! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/nike?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#nike</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/nikebasketball?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#nikebasketball</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/is8?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#is8</a> <a href="https://t.co/dNsfHQUuwI">pic.twitter.com/dNsfHQUuwI</a></p>&mdash; Is8 Nike Basketball (@Is8Nike) <a href="https://twitter.com/Is8Nike/status/1186346396934459392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[IM4X]

Recruits @ Madness according to Shannon


CeArius Warren 2021
Trey Woodward 2021
Kaleb Washington 2021
Tyler Shirley 2021
Trey James 2021
Trey Kaufman 2021
Ryan Owens 2021
Paul McMillan 2022
Bowen Hardman 2022

Wonder why Malaki Branham was not there. According to 24/7 he is ranked #25 best in the 2021 class and has X as one of his top choices.

https://247sports.com/Player/Malaki-Branham-46084262/

[GoMuskies]

JJ Traynor is making his decision this week. Looks likely to be Louisville unfortunately. A lot of Louisville legacy around him (his dad and HS coach), so it would have been quite a coup to sneak him out of Bardstown.

[Xville]

All indications are traynor is committing to louisville today...boo

[XUMIOH12]

All indications are traynor is committing to louisville today...boo

well xavier has been out on him for a couple weeks, so i'm glad he's (hopefully) picking louisville, because his other final choice was UC.

[noteggs]

well xavier has been out on him for a couple weeks, so i'm glad he's (hopefully) picking louisville, because his other final choice was UC.

Sounds like it’s going to be a bitter sweet moment.

[XUMIOH12]

Sounds like it’s going to be a bitter sweet moment.

yeah would rather see him go just about anywhere else, but I guess Louisville is the lesser of two evils in this case.

[UCGRAD4X]

With those two as his only considerations I question his level of acumen to survive at Xavier. Probably just as well.

[Xuperman]

https://www.wbrc.com/2019/11/14/mountain-brooks-colby-jones-signs-basketball-scholarship-with-xavier-university/

Little surprised to see no one posted anything on Wednesday's signing day. All 3 of our 2020 guys made it official. I found a cool Colby Jones clip of his signing and posted the link above. Could find no video of the Dwon and CJ signings but did see they confirmed on Twitter.

Here's to the coaching staff for bringing in the future Holloway, Bluiett, and Cage 2.0 versions to Victory Parkway!!

[MADXSTER]

Pretty sure they are ranked 9th nationally.

[GIMMFD]

Pretty sure they are ranked 9th nationally.

Boy that's impressive to see, gotta commend Steele and the staff for how they work on the recruiting end, a couple solid classes back to back, and if we can break down that Final 4 barrier, who knows what type of guys we'd be able to get on campus. Anybody know if we're in on anyone else? I'd have to think we're done and will look at the graduate transfer route, correct?

[xudash]

https://www.wbrc.com/2019/11/14/mountain-brooks-colby-jones-signs-basketball-scholarship-with-xavier-university/

Little surprised to see no one posted anything on Wednesday's signing day. All 3 of our 2020 guys made it official. I found a cool Colby Jones clip of his signing and posted the link above. Could find no video of the Dwon and CJ signings but did see they confirmed on Twitter.

Here's to the coaching staff for bringing in the future Holloway, Bluiett, and Cage 2.0 versions to Victory Parkway!!

Fantastic!

[Xuperman]

I guess the question is, how many top 200 guys did not sign their LOI on Wednesday? One would think that several chose not to sign early but I have no idea where to find that info, but nowadays fast risers re-opening their recruitment is fairly common. Isn't there 2nd LOI deadline? No reason to think Coach will not pounce if given opportunities to add to 2020. IMO a transfer big is already a must have though.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I guess the question is, how many top 200 guys did not sign their LOI on Wednesday? One would think that several chose not to sign early but I have no idea where to find that info, but nowadays fast risers re-opening their recruitment is fairly common. Isn't there 2nd LOI deadline? No reason to think Coach will not pounce if given opportunities to add to 2020. IMO a transfer big is already a must have though.

23 of the Top 100 haven't signed.

The only 2 of those that Xavier appears to be even on the periphery of are Isaiah Jackson, a 6'8" PF from MI, and Dawson Garcia, a 6'9" PF from MN.

[UCGRAD4X]

So you're saying there's a chance!

[American X]

I love to hear how Dwon Odom committed two years ago and did not look at other schools. I very much look forward to him in a Xavier uniform. He has the makings of a Great Musketeer.

Welcome all three to the family!

[Xuperman]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28167956/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2020-21-2021-22

Here’s something interesting, notice #1 and #4. Just use our recent Columbia connection and grab BOTH of them. They check ALL the boxes for exactly what Coach needs for 2020-21. Hope Myles Hanson can be an salesman here!

[xukeith]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28167956/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2020-21-2021-22

Here’s something interesting, notice #1 and #4. Just use our recent Columbia connection and grab BOTH of them. They check ALL the boxes for exactly what Coach needs for 2020-21. Hope Myles Hanson can be an salesman here!

# 4 look solid on paper but for X to be a good fit, he needs to have a history of winning and strong character.

[GIMMFD]

# 4 look solid on paper but for X to be a good fit, he needs to have a history of winning and strong character.

To be fair, I think if you can get accepted to Columbia, you probably have pretty strong character. History of winning academically as well too, just saying.

[GoMuskies]

I'll give you the history of winning academically. I'm not sure attaining admission to an Ivy League school necessarily says anything for one's character.

[xu82]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28167956/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2020-21-2021-22

Here’s something interesting, notice #1 and #4. Just use our recent Columbia connection and grab BOTH of them. They check ALL the boxes for exactly what Coach needs for 2020-21. Hope Myles Hanson can be an salesman here!

Sounds like it must suck to be a Columbia basketball fan!

[GoMuskies]

Sounds like it must suck to be a Columbia basketball fan!

The #1 guy is playing this year for Columbia. He's just not eligible to come back next year because the Ivy League does not allow 5th year seniors.

[sirthought]

The two Columbia kids look alright, but it might not be a fit for PG with Tandy, Odom, and Bishop looking for increasing presence. Would be nice to have Smith's experience and shooting, though. I'm guessing Skrugs is gone, but you can't count chickens before they hatch. I'm not sure Tape is a guy who'd want to compete for floor time with all the other bigs, and unless he's good enough to beat them outright, I don't see him wanting to play at X. It's his last year to make some noise.



I would like to learn more about 6'8" freshman Luke Anderson and 6'9" Rade Kukobat, who is a redshirt junior and will be a grad transfer. Kukobat doesn't initially sound like the level of Jason Carter, but at this point with still-developing Ramsey, Freemantle, and Miles, we could use someone with a little experience and can be a good practice player and backup in case of injury.

With Anderson, we just need some decent wing players, and he's been viewed as more of combo 3/4 wing guy who can shoot the three. Three star recruit who'd have a year to develop and find his way to contribute in Steele's system. He was a strong rebounder in high school and averaged 20+ points.

[noteggs]

Cool to look at, but I would assume this is a “way too early” version of the transfer portal. Should be interesting to track throughout the year, especially after tournament.

Saw Luke Anderson (ISU) on the list who was once a X recruit and even had a crystal ball or two. Looks like he pulled a Ridder this year at ISU. I’m sure there’re some insiders on here know more about his recruitment. Boy did his ranking go South after I stopped paying attention.

[XUGRAD80]

To be fair, I think if you can get accepted to Columbia, you probably have pretty strong character. History of winning academically as well too, just saying.

My mom attended the Columbia school of nursing......and she was a pretty strong character. :jumpforjoy:

[Xuperman]

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/athlete/dwon-odom/JQ4UY6-AEeaAdqA2nzwY6g/default.htm

Dwon off to a solid start. The Downhill Assassin is not a 3 ball guy by any stretch BUT a really nice free throw shooter. Good example of the 2 not necessarily connected.
😁

[GIMMFD]

I'll give you the history of winning academically. I'm not sure attaining admission to an Ivy League school necessarily says anything for one's character.

I guess in my mind I figure if you care that much academically, you in general probably have a decent head on your shoulders. Now, I'm not saying these dudes are out going to Children's Hospitals and working Boys and Girls Clubs in their spare time, but I figure if you care that much about something like academics, chances are you aren't a complete douche. Unless you're an Ivy League legacy family, then you're probably a complete douche.

[Xuperman]

Somehow I missed posting on this in real time but Dwon Odom and Colby Jones both competed in the 2019 Holiday Hoopsgiving Tournament in Atlanta. We got us a couple of stone cold ballers here sports fans!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/HHoopsgiving

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vbol5mto6QI&feature=youtu.be

We’re going to be a very impressive group of YOUNG GUNS next year.....just loaded with elite backcourt talent and versatile wings!

https://www.theseasonticket.com/news_article/show/1068415

Jones’ line vs Peeblebrook is just flat out sick! 37 PTS (11-18 FG,13-14 FT,2-3 3PT) 9 REBS,3 AST,3 STL,1 TO. :read::shocked2:

https://www.villagelivingonline.com/sports/the-reset-120219/

This article features some additional early numbers on Colby Jones including another 32/15/4 masterpiece vs Grayson Ga. (fea. Odom’s AAU teammates Deivon Smith/Caleb Murphy) in that Turkey shoot.

[Xuperman]

On a side note, Colby Jones’ brother, C.J., is the leading scorer for Middle Tennessee in CUSA. He’s scoring at a nifty 16.2 clip including 42.3% from distance on 22 made 3’s......he’s hit ALL 18 of his chances from the line! I think their Dad is a Coach.

[bleedXblue]

On a side note, Colby Jones’ brother, C.J., is the leading scorer for Middle Tennessee in CUSA. He’s scoring at a nifty 16.2 clip including 42.3% from distance on 22 made 3’s......he’s hit ALL 18 of his chances from the line! I think their Dad is a Coach.

Hmmmm ..... can you say transfer maybe?

[Xuperman]

Hmmmm ..... can you say transfer maybe?

He already transferred from Arkansas to MTSU. I think he was immediately eligible last year but was injured in his 1st game?

[GoMuskies]

I also think that Middle Tennessee is awful this year, so I wouldn't count on even their best player actually being good.

[Xuperman]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opHPT5XeX5Y

CJ Wilcher leads powerhouse Roselle Catholic in their season opener with a game high 20 points. Assisted his younger brother on his 1st varsity bucket.....the freshman getting some national buzz. Evidently SJU has already offered him. Would not be surprised if X offers him early also.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rc_basketball

[XUGRAD80]

Rivals had a really nice little blog about Colby Jones on their site. Called him one of the All-Glue players that always makes the right play. Good news IMO, Xavier can certainly use a couple of players like that.

[scoscox]

Pretty sure we’ve already offered Simeon wilcher

[EastCoastXman]

CJ led Roselle Cath ranked #1 in NJ with 20. Big game tonight against Patrick School

[Xuperman]

Hey EastCoast, this Kyrie event at the Barclay seems pretty bigtime....how many people do they expect? Also, be sure to post any CJ news for us. Hard to get much real time statistics on him unless you can stumble upon a Jersey news article.

[UCGRAD4X]

We enthusiastically welcome talented players who know how to play at a high level in the biggest games and carry their teams to victory.

[EastCoastXman]

Yea this match up will be Roselle Cath (#1 in NJ) vs Patrick School (#2 in NJ). Playing this game at Barclays is special. Not sure of the crowd but it is a tripleheader. Traffic is tough this time of year in metro area so not sure how many will attend. Whoever wins will have more wins in NYC than the Knicks!

These teams always play a challenging schedule and players like CJ will be ready for D1. Just look at what Zach Freemantle is doing. When he was at Bergen Catholic they were 2 in NJ and lost in state Tournament of Champions final to Ranney School that had Scotty Lewis (FL) and B Antoine (Nova who we will see next week). Travis is identifying good talent and just needs to bring them along. Llet's get CJ's brother to X. Playing big minutes as a freshman on this RC team shows this kid has talent.

[Xville]

His scouting report sounds very similar to bluiett coming in. Is that accurate? Tre was obviously higher ranked but the games, and physical attributes sound very similar.

[UCGRAD4X]

We enthusiastically welcome talented players who know how to play at a high level in the biggest games and carry their teams to victory.


Yea this match up will be Roselle Cath (#1 in NJ) vs Patrick School (#2 in NJ). Playing this game at Barclays is special. Not sure of the crowd but it is a tripleheader. Traffic is tough this time of year in metro area so not sure how many will attend. Whoever wins will have more wins in NYC than the Knicks!

Yes, I forgot to add, in the biggest venues...

[Xuperman]

CJ led Roselle Cath ranked #1 in NJ with 20. Big game tonight against Patrick School

Hey EastCoast, is there any radio coverage of the Barclay showdown? I have IHeart radio, so give me the call letters and I can listen. If not make sure to post tomorrow on the results for us.
:logo:

[EastCoastXman]

I don't think there will be any coverage of game at Barclay's tonight. They want people in the seats. Check NJ.com later tonight or tomorrow for possible coverage.

RC does not play a home game until 1/16 against Elizabeth. They play in 2 holiday tournaments (Delaware & Huntington WV). I hope to get to RC for a few games in 2020. Their schedule is packed with lots of non NJ teams and a good number of the NJ teams ranked in the top 20. CJ will be ready!

[usfldan]

Hey EastCoast, is there any radio coverage of the Barclay showdown? I have IHeart radio, so give me the call letters and I can listen. If not make sure to post tomorrow on the results for us.
:logo:

https://twitter.com/SLAM_HS/status/1209253196473913344

Second half starting now

[EastCoastXman]

just checked and RC game is on YES Network back here in NJ. CJ looks great. 2nd coming of Trevon B. 5 minutes left in 2nd Q

[EastCoastXman]

CJ has 11 in 2nd Q. Just walked into an NBA 3. Pure

[usfldan]

Here is the full game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga585SwoH7w

Game story (mostly about Jonothan Kuminga from the other team):
https://www.nj.com/highschoolsports/2019/12/national-no-1-recruit-makes-debut-leads-no-2-patrick-school-past-no-1-roselle-catholic.html

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I watched the game tonight. CJ looked good in first half. Was O.K., but not great, in second half. His defense is suspect and he seems to have developed the bad habit of questioning every foul called against him----maybe he watches Paul Scruggs too much. There are questionable calls. We have seen plenty against X this year. But, questioning calls, often times stopping to argue with the referee, is very undisciplined. I'd like to see Steele get this team a bit more disciplined---I think they are going to need it now that we in the second half of the season. Come March Madness, you simply must stay focused and not lose concentration.

Finally, I throw this out for comment. We were all excited, before the season, about this freshman recruiting class. Halfway through the season, we realize we've got a couple of good players, a couple that aren't ready and one (maybe two) redshirts. Our sophomore class consists now of one player about whom there is a definite lack of enthusiasm. What if next year's class is on par with this year's? We lose four senior starters (assuming Scruggs and Naji move on). Carter is back. Does it occur to anyone that (absent a couple of very good grad transfers) next year could be a very lean year for the Muskies?

[Xville]

I watched the game tonight. CJ looked good in first half. Was O.K., but not great, in second half. His defense is suspect and he seems to have developed the bad habit of questioning every foul called against him----maybe he watches Paul Scruggs too much. There are questionable calls. We have seen plenty against X this year. But, questioning calls, often times stopping to argue with the referee, is very undisciplined. I'd like to see Steele get this team a bit more disciplined---I think they are going to need it now that we in the second half of the season. Come March Madness, you simply must stay focused and not lose concentration.

Finally, I throw this out for comment. We were all excited, before the season, about this freshman recruiting class. Halfway through the season, we realize we've got a couple of good players, a couple that aren't ready and one (maybe two) redshirts. Our sophomore class consists now of one player about whom there is a definite lack of enthusiasm. What if next year's class is on par with this year's? We lose four senior starters (assuming Scruggs and Naji move on). Carter is back. Does it occur to anyone that (absent a couple of very good grad transfers) next year could be a very lean year for the Muskies?

Regarding the complaining, it is annoying but have you watched nba games lately? They complain at every single call...I mean lebron has been doing it since he entered the league. Although it's annoying, and I certainly dont condone it, not sure I agree that arguing about calls is undisciplined.

Regarding next year, there is lot of talent, but very young talent. Freemantle, kyky, dwon are going to be the young nucleus with hopefully cj, dieonte, and dahmir as good players in their roles. Plus, Carter will still be here. Yeah the team is probably going to take a step back before moving forward but that what happens when you basically dont have a recruiting class one year. Next year might be a little rough, but I'm excited about the talent, and for the future when this years freshmen class are upper classmen.

[xukeith]

Scruggs and Marshall are good but not great player yet. No chance at all of going to play in NBA unless they carry X to a Final Four. Good: they play solid defense,bad: consistent shooting and handling the ball. If you think Western Carolina is good at steals, watch a NBA team pick pockets. This X team I think will be on the shoulders of Jones. Anymore points than 25 combined from our juniors is bonus. They need to consistently make defenses pay with cheating on doubling Jones or Marshall.

[Xville]

Scruggs and Marshall are good but not great player yet. No chance at all of going to play in NBA unless they carry X to a Final Four. Good: they play solid defense,bad: consistent shooting and handling the ball. If you think Western Carolina is good at steals, watch a NBA team pick pockets. This X team I think will be on the shoulders of Jones. Anymore points than 25 combined from our juniors is bonus. They need to consistently make defenses pay with cheating on doubling Jones or Marshall.

Getting to a final four has little to do with their nba chances in my opinion. They have the measurables and the athleticism that nba teams like, the skill part they can andbwill obviously have to develop. I think it's a slim chance either of them get drafted, but they should both get a shot at the league. Both of them are gone anyways, no chance in heck they are going to stay another year.

[xufan02]

Watched the entire game. Wilcher is a bucket getter that has legit range. We are going to need to hide him on defense like we did with Myles Davis, Trevon Bluiett, and JP Macura. I don't mind Wilcher talking to the refs, he cares, he wants to win on every posession. Did he get a T? So he wasn't saying anything to the refs, but seeking clarification. Also CJ is the best player on his team and it isn't close. Cliff whatever his name is ranked very high, but he is a bust.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Watched the entire game. Wilcher is a bucket getter that has legit range. We are going to need to hide him on defense like we did with Myles Davis, Trevon Bluiett, and JP Macura. I don't mind Wilcher talking to the refs, he cares, he wants to win on every posession. Did he get a T? So he wasn't saying anything to the refs, but seeking clarification. Also CJ is the best player on his team and it isn't close. Cliff whatever his name is ranked very high, but he is a bust.

I'll make this one point and not comment on it again because I'm taking the thread in a different direction than intended. I'm all for enthusiastic + committed players and your point is that complaining is just one form of communicating commitment. Got it. But, when you argue every call, you may be taking yourself out of play----we have watched Scruggs not get back on defense several times because he was busy complaining to the ref that he turned over the ball as a result of being fouled. On the other hand, I've seen Tyrique question refs in what I believe is the right way---- when play is stopped and rather than just bitching, he engages in a two way conversation, giving and receiving, feedback. The receiving part of the conversation is the most important. I don't have a problem with that.

But seemingly continuous moaning and groaning potentially takes you out of the flow of play (both offensively and defensively), it encourages the refs to ignore you and potentially pisses them off. Refs are human too and, at minimum, they may become less sympathetic to your position. It just doesn't seem like its the right behavior for a quality recruit.

As far as the NBA goes, I don't watch it. But, not surprising that a bunch of prima donnas argue every call.

[XUGRAD80]

What!? Players complaining about every call!? Acting like it’s the end of the world every time a play doesn’t go their way!?

With behavior like that......You’d almost think that they were posters on a basketball forum! :slapfight: :laugh:

[whopper]

the situation is exacerbated by the replay on the overhead "Jumbotron" where literally every player who gets a foul called looks at it and the fans react a second time. It won't end but that is a fairly recent trend and not a good one

[UCGRAD4X]

I'll make this one point and not comment on it again because I'm taking the thread in a different direction than intended. I'm all for enthusiastic + committed players and your point is that complaining is just one form of communicating commitment. Got it. But, when you argue every call, you may be taking yourself out of play----we have watched Scruggs not get back on defense several times because he was busy complaining to the ref that he turned over the ball as a result of being fouled. On the other hand, I've seen Tyrique question refs in what I believe is the right way---- when play is stopped and rather than just bitching, he engages in a two way conversation, giving and receiving, feedback. The receiving part of the conversation is the most important. I don't have a problem with that.

But seemingly continuous moaning and groaning potentially takes you out of the flow of play (both offensively and defensively), it encourages the refs to ignore you and potentially pisses them off. Refs are human too and, at minimum, they may become less sympathetic to your position. It just doesn't seem like its the right behavior for a quality recruit.

As far as the NBA goes, I don't watch it. But, not surprising that a bunch of prima donnas argue every call.

This is the part that most concerns me.

Otherwise, what real affect does it have one way or another? How often have the refs changed their mind? Does anybody really think the ref gives them the benefit of the doubt next time?

Just play basketball. Keep your focus on the game and how you can help your team win. [This just in: not fouling is usually an advantage to your team].

So, if you are questioning / seeking clarification to keep from fouling and to play better, / help your team, I do think that shows more maturity, selflessness and a view toward growth as a player.

Does that mean the kid is a bum because he complains all the time?

I just don't see the point. I guess I'm more in the Paul Brown "act like you've been there before" club (not a perfect analogy, but I just like to quote PB whenever I get the chance).

[noteggs]

Otherwise, what real affect does it have one way or another? How often have the refs changed their mind? Does anybody really think the ref gives them the benefit of the doubt next time?

Maybe .1% of the time your team may get a make up call at the other end on a tight play. But point well taken.

Here’s the irony. When you see Freemantle start to question a call, Scruggs is normally the first one to grab him and say, “get your head in the game” or “don’t worry, it was a bad call and the ref will do nothing about.” Obviously good leadership at that point.

[Xuperman]

For those looking to satisfy your X craving, the full Kyrie Invitational game featuring Roselle Cath vs Patrick School is on YouTube. CJ again impressive. Kid shoots a beautiful 3 ball but there's way more to his game than that.

[paulxu]

It occurs to me that most every year we get pumped looking at high school film and thinking these kids will come in and make a difference in their first year.

Very rarely happens that way. Mostly 5 stars do that.

[GoMuskies]

It occurs to me that most every year we get pumped looking at high school film and thinking these kids will come in and make a difference in their first year.

Very rarely happens that way. Mostly 5 stars do that.

Given what we have coming back, there's no choice next year!

[scoscox]

It occurs to me that most every year we get pumped looking at high school film and thinking these kids will come in and make a difference in their first year.

Very rarely happens that way. Mostly 5 stars do that.

I don’t delude myself into thinking they’ll make a huge impact but it’s still fun to follow

[Xuperman]

It occurs to me that most every year we get pumped looking at high school film and thinking these kids will come in and make a difference in their first year.

Very rarely happens that way. Mostly 5 stars do that.

It depends on what you call making a difference. If a freshman can make a shot or a play in just one game that turns a L into a W, that could be considered a "difference".

The ultimate benchmark is making the All BEast Freshman team. Tre and Naj so far, with Zach looking like a pretty good bet for this year....IMO KyKy has a shot now that he's contributing with the conference slate beginning.

As far as next year, those 3 will have plenty of opportunity to see ample PT because of the expected roster....and let's not forget Dieonte Miles. Good shot for at least one of those guys if things play out nicely. BTW, Dwon continues to dominate....25-10-6 last night.

And check this out!

https://www.al.com/sports/2019/12/birmingham-basketball-mountain-brook-wins-prestigious-florida-tournament.html

He scored 25 of the team's 47 in the Championship game? WOW, we got us a gamer here sports fans...easily tourney MVP and that was some elite competition!
:logo:

[XUGRAD80]

IMO generally speaking it takes a year or two before a new player becomes a dominant player, but that doesn’t mean they can’t make a difference in how the team performs. The last couple of years we have not seen the freshman perform up to a level of what we saw for several years prior. It seems that most years in the last 20-30 there has been at least one freshman that earned significant playing time and made a major contribution to the teams success but the last couple of years that has been more along the lines of a transfer doing that, not the freshman. Freemantle has been more of what we all got used to watching, while Carter has not. However, I do believe that Carter may well be a significant contributor the rest of the year, and he still has another year to do too.

[xufan02]

It depends on what you call making a difference. If a freshman can make a shot or a play in just one game that turns a L into a W, that could be considered a "difference".

The ultimate benchmark is making the All BEast Freshman team. Tre and Naj so far, with Zach looking like a pretty good bet for this year....IMO KyKy has a shot now that he's contributing with the conference slate beginning.

As far as next year, those 3 will have plenty of opportunity to see ample PT because of the expected roster....and let's not forget Dieonte Miles. Good shot for at least one of those guys if things play out nicely. BTW, Dwon continues to dominate....25-10-6 last night.

And check this out!

https://www.al.com/sports/2019/12/birmingham-basketball-mountain-brook-wins-prestigious-florida-tournament.html

He scored 25 of the team's 47 in the Championship game? WOW, we got us a gamer here sports fans...easily tourney MVP and that was some elite competition!
:logo:

Dwon Odom had 18 points , 4 rebounds, 4 assist, and 3 steal in a Holiday tournament win yesterday. Your link it for Colby Jones who is blowing up in his senior year.

[bleedXblue]

IMO generally speaking it takes a year or two before a new player becomes a dominant player, but that doesn’t mean they can’t make a difference in how the team performs. The last couple of years we have not seen the freshman perform up to a level of what we saw for several years prior. It seems that most years in the last 20-30 there has been at least one freshman that earned significant playing time and made a major contribution to the teams success but the last couple of years that has been more along the lines of a transfer doing that, not the freshman. Freemantle has been more of what we all got used to watching, while Carter has not. However, I do believe that Carter may well be a significant contributor the rest of the year, and he still has another year to do too.

Carter has looked much more comfortable the last two games IMHO. I don't think its easy to transfer into a new program and system unless you are the focal point of the offense. I think Carter will continue to get better as the year progresses

[xufan02]

Dwon Odom had 30 points and 10 assists in another win today.

Wilcher and Jones play tonight as well.

[Xville]

So.....am I the last person to realize that gates and odom are from the same high school??

How good is odom...I mean obviously he is ranked high but does he seem to be like a semaj or blueitt where he basically will start day 1 and be an impact, or more like scruggs or naji where it may take a year?

[SM#24]

Day 1 starting PG is my guess.

[scoscox]

Day 1 starting PG is my guess.

probably. we don't have enough players to keep him on the bench even if we wanted to

[joe titan]

So.....am I the last person to realize that gates and odom are from the same high school??

How good is odom...I mean obviously he is ranked high but does he seem to be like a semaj or blueitt where he basically will start day 1 and be an impact, or more like scruggs or naji where it may take a year?

Maybe not last but in lower quartile; from early days of recruiting Odom while Gates was here it was noted--even anticipated--that Gates would be an asset in recruiting Odom.

[scoscox]

https://twitter.com/Samad_Hines/status/1211085760268570624

shooting 75% is good

[XUGRAD80]

So.....am I the last person to realize that gates and odom are from the same high school??

How good is odom...I mean obviously he is ranked high but does he seem to be like a semaj or blueitt where he basically will start day 1 and be an impact, or more like scruggs or naji where it may take a year?

I think that all depends on just how well KyKy progresses the rest of this year and into next year. If he develops into a good pg, then his experience will give him the edge. However if he doesn’t develop as a pg, then I would guess that Odom is given a shot at that position.

Might also depend on just exactly what Scruggs does at the end of this year. I know that most expect him to leave after this year, but I don’t think that is exactly set in stone at this point. If he does return then I certainly can’t see him not starting in some capacity next year. Would he take Marshall’s place and X go with 3 guards? What if Naji also returns? What if they bring in an experienced pg grad transfer? There are just so many variables that it’s impossible to make a prediction based on anything but guesswork at this point.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I think that all depends on just how well KyKy progresses the rest of this year and into next year. If he develops into a good pg, then his experience will give him the edge. However if he doesn’t develop as a pg, then I would guess that Odom is given a shot at that position.

Might also depend on just exactly what Scruggs does at the end of this year. I know that most expect him to leave after this year, but I don’t think that is exactly set in stone at this point. If he does return then I certainly can’t see him not starting in some capacity next year. Would he take Marshall’s place and X go with 3 guards? What if Naji also returns? What if they bring in an experienced pg grad transfer? There are just so many variables that it’s impossible to make a prediction based on anything but guesswork at this point.

I am not close to the program and only follow this board so I ask this in sincerity. It has been a given (sort of) that Scruggs + Naji are gone after this year. Is there a strong case that can be made they will return?

[XUGRAD80]

I am not close to the program and only follow this board so I ask this in sincerity. It has been a given (sort of) that Scruggs + Naji are gone after this year. Is there a strong case that can be made they will return?

They still have a year of eligibility as they are only juniors eligibility wise, therefore they don’t have to leave. A lot of people have just assumed that they will leave and go pro, but only they know what is best for themselves. At this point in the season, it’s my opinion that neither is going to be an NBA player next year. But they will have opportunities to play professionally somewhere at some level. They have to decide if they would be better served by staying another year and maybe making themselves more attractive to NBA teams....but they don’t have to make that decision until after this season, so we just have to wait and see what they do.

[GIMMFD]

I think that all depends on just how well KyKy progresses the rest of this year and into next year. If he develops into a good pg, then his experience will give him the edge. However if he doesn’t develop as a pg, then I would guess that Odom is given a shot at that position.

Might also depend on just exactly what Scruggs does at the end of this year. I know that most expect him to leave after this year, but I don’t think that is exactly set in stone at this point. If he does return then I certainly can’t see him not starting in some capacity next year. Would he take Marshall’s place and X go with 3 guards? What if Naji also returns? What if they bring in an experienced pg grad transfer? There are just so many variables that it’s impossible to make a prediction based on anything but guesswork at this point.

Could they run Odom at the point, and then Tandy at SG though? that could also be an option, Kyky's scoring is going to be needed next year, so he's gonna have to take a jump up in production, but I could see them both co-existing in the backcourt together. Kind of a fun prospect to think about too.

[Xville]

Could they run Odom at the point, and then Tandy at SG though? that could also be an option, Kyky's scoring is going to be needed next year, so he's gonna have to take a jump up in production, but I could see them both co-existing in the backcourt together. Kind of a fun prospect to think about too.

Yeah that's how I would see it going, unless bishop makes a dramatic jump or get one heck of a grad transfer.

From what I have heard about odom, he is more of a pure 1. Kyky isnt.

I think there is a 99.9% certainty that naji and paul are gone, so

[xukeith]

I can't see Scruggs or Marshall drafted in June.
I do think one may leave early to play pro ball like k Gates.

The more X is spotlighted in March, the more likely a player or 2 will make it playing professionally.

[Xville]

I can't see Scruggs or Marshall drafted in June.
I do think one may leave early to play pro ball like k Gates.

The more X is spotlighted in March, the more likely a player or 2 will make it playing professionally.

One may be drafted, but it doesnt matter. They are gone.

[bleedXblue]

One may be drafted, but it doesnt matter. They are gone.

That's too bad. Leaving without any guaranteed money and no degree. Yeah, they can go back and get it a degree but I just don't get it I guess.....

[Xville]

That's too bad. Leaving without any guaranteed money and no degree. Yeah, they can go back and get it a degree but I just don't get it I guess.....

Play ten years overseas making hundreds of thousands a year. Not bad for 22-32. Plenty of time to play in corporate america

[GoMuskies]

Play ten years overseas making hundreds of thousands a year. Not bad for 22-32. Plenty of time to play in corporate america

Right, it's the difference between playing 10 years overseas or 9. I completely get it.

[bleedXblue]

Right, it's the difference between playing 10 years overseas or 9. I completely get it.

Exactly. Why not play your Senior year, have a shot at a special year, get your degree and enjoy the college life for one more year? I completely get it if you are a 1st round NBA pick........

[AviatorX]

Play ten years overseas making hundreds of thousands a year. Not bad for 22-32. Plenty of time to play in corporate america

I'm not saying I don't see the perspective, but it sure seems like Xavier is one of the only teams where this is a regular/accepted occurrence.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Play ten years overseas making hundreds of thousands a year. Not bad for 22-32. Plenty of time to play in corporate america

I'm skeptical that there are many high paying non-NBA gigs for these guys leaving early. Kaiser Gates plays for the Maine Red Claws (Portland, Maine) before pretty small crowds, in a gym not much bigger than many high schools here in Cincinnati. I don't think he (or his teammates) are making a lot of dough because there simply isn't enough revenue to cover that level of payroll.

[Xville]

I'm skeptical that there are many high paying non-NBA gigs for these guys leaving early. Kaiser Gates plays for the Maine Red Claws (Portland, Maine) before pretty small crowds, in a gym not much bigger than many high schools here in Cincinnati. I don't think he (or his teammates) are making a lot of dough because there simply isn't enough revenue to cover that level of payroll.

Hes not because he is under the delusion that he is going to play in the nba. Hes wasting his time when he could be making good money in europe or somewhere overseas. I know he has a dream, and maybe he doesn't want to go overseas so he figures he will give it a shot and if he doesnt make it, then he will get a "real" job.

[scoscox]

People discount the possibility of playing your way into the NBA with a good senior year. Why not try to increase your stock in your last year before going overseas? That last year can be valuable. Look at Eric Paschall

I never understood why Kaiser wanted to leave early. He was gonna be featured heavily in his senior year

[Xville]

I'm not saying I don't see the perspective, but it sure seems like Xavier is one of the only teams where this is a regular/accepted occurrence.

I dont really keep track of other people's rosters closely enough except Missouri to know if it's a regular occurence at other schools.

[GoMuskies]

That's too bad. Leaving without any guaranteed money and no degree. Yeah, they can go back and get it a degree but I just don't get it I guess.....

Do you think that experience is worth six figures? Most people don't.

[Lloyd Braun]

It’s easier to improve your game when you don’t have to be in school. Fast forward 12 months from when Kaiser left he is most likely a better basketball player than what he would have been if he stayed in college. Doesn’t mean he will make the NBA but if he is going to play basketball for a living it’s not a tough decision.

[bleedXblue]

Do you think that experience is worth six figures? Most people don't.

There are too way many variables to look at it that way from my perspective. If your simply looking at it from a pure short term pay off, then sure it doesn't work out. I think the degree over the long haul is worth far more. How many actually go back and get it? I bet its a very, very low percentage. As a poster mentioned above, Gates should have come back and taken the chance to improve his stock. He didn't and has no degree and no potential to play in the NBA.

[scoscox]

It’s easier to improve your game when you don’t have to be in school. Fast forward 12 months from when Kaiser left he is most likely a better basketball player than what he would have been if he stayed in college. Doesn’t mean he will make the NBA but if he is going to play basketball for a living it’s not a tough decision.

but it's harder to improve your stock/exposure. kaiser continuing to play in the g league despite the abysmal pay tells me he really wants to get to the NBA rather than go to europe. if that was the goal i think it would've behooved him to stay another year

[xufan02]

I would be pleasantly surprised if Naji or Paul return next season. I think we will see Travis give the keys to Odom and slide KyKy off the ball. Historically our best teams had two lead guards running the show; Chalmers/Finn, Lavender/Burrell, or Tu/Lyons.

[Lloyd Braun]

but it's harder to improve your stock/exposure. kaiser continuing to play in the g league despite the abysmal pay tells me he really wants to get to the NBA rather than go to europe. if that was the goal i think it would've behooved him to stay another year

Pretty sure NBA teams pay more attention to guys they are paying to play in G league than one of the 4000+ Division 1 players.... but maybe not? Again, if you can get better somewhere else it’s a no brainer regardless of stock and exposure.

[scoscox]

Pretty sure NBA teams pay more attention to guys they are paying to play in G league than one of the 4000+ Division 1 players.... but maybe not? Again, if you can get better somewhere else it’s a no brainer regardless of stock and exposure.

yea, they don't. at all. they'll pay attention to the guys they drafted and maybe a two way player or two that are down there, but the rest of those guys are filler who will never sniff the league. they pay infinitely more attention to guys in college. again i just don't think that's true. if your goal is to make the nba, you're better suited to improving your stock with another year in college than going undrafted and trying to rise up through the g league

[Juice]

but it's harder to improve your stock/exposure. kaiser continuing to play in the g league despite the abysmal pay tells me he really wants to get to the NBA rather than go to europe. if that was the goal i think it would've behooved him to stay another year

What exposure? You're telling me NBA teams don't know who are on their G League teams or on their opponents? They probably know more about those guys than any college player. Plus, G League competition is a way better test for a possible NBA player than playing 10 or so buy games against some bottom of the barrell Horizon team.

Some guys are better off staying, some are better off going. Some want to stay to have a special year and some need to make money. We have all hashed out these same arguments in about 1000 different threads. There is no one correct decision. It depends on the player, the year, the team, etc. In Kaiser's case, it seemed like he wasn't exactly enjoying college but I could be way off. Regardless, what the G League lacks in pay, they make up in exposure and close connections to NBA teams.

[scoscox]

What exposure? You're telling me NBA teams don't know who are on their G League teams or on their opponents? They probably know more about those guys than any college player. Plus, G League competition is a way better test for a possible NBA player than playing 10 or so buy games against some bottom of the barrell Horizon team.

Some guys are better off staying, some are better off going. Some want to stay to have a special year and some need to make money. We have all hashed out these same arguments in about 1000 different threads. There is no one correct decision. It depends on the player, the year, the team, etc. In Kaiser's case, it seemed like he wasn't exactly enjoying college but I could be way off. Regardless, what the G League lacks in pay, they make up in exposure and close connections to NBA teams.

depends on where you play obviously, but playing high level college basketball is absolutely better exposure than the g league, especially if you play deep into the tournament.

and honestly i doubt it. they fill those teams out with guys they couldn't give a shit about so that their draft picks and two way guys have people to play against. the most they know about them is that they're never gonna sign them to a contract.

[Juice]

depends on where you play obviously, but playing high level college basketball is absolutely better exposure than the g league, especially if you play deep into the tournament.

and honestly i doubt it. they fill those teams out with guys they couldn't give a shit about so that their draft picks and two way guys have people to play against. the most they know about them is that they're never gonna sign them to a contract.

You're understanding of the G League is years behind the times. If the G League is so useless, why have the number of teams in it shot up in the last 3-4 teams? Is it because that maybe the NBA sees the value in having one affiliated with their organization? And why has the NBA created things like two way and exhibit 10 contracts? Because they see the value in keeping talent within their organization while it/the players develop.

Again, if you think college competition is better than a G League team, you're insane. That's like when people would say that Alabama could beat the Browns.

[scoscox]

You're understanding of the G League is years behind the times. If the G League is so useless, why have the number of teams in it shot up in the last 3-4 teams? Is it because that maybe the NBA sees the value in having one affiliated with their organization? And why has the NBA created things like two way and exhibit 10 contracts? Because they see the value in keeping talent within their organization while it/the players develop.

Again, if you think college competition is better than a G League team, you're insane. That's like when people would say that Alabama could beat the Browns.

i never said that at all. and i understand the g league just fine and i also never said its useless. seems like youre not understanding what i said at all

All I’m saying is it’s easier to stick in an organization if they drafted you than if you’re trying to work your way up from being undrafted. Kaisers goal was seemingly to make the nba as he continues to pass up money to play in the g league and my only point was that I think he would’ve been better served staying for his senior season if that was the goal

[bleedXblue]

I'd like to know the number of guys who spent a considerable amount of time basically starting in the G league and made an NBA roster and earned a contract as a result of that. I think the percentage is very, very low.........could be wrong.....but I don't think so.

And I agree.....it's been debated here ad nauseum.

Everyone has their own take and opinion. Mine just happens to be one that I see huge value in getting your degree b/c most of these guys we are talking about wont be playing after they are 30 or so. The likelihood that those guys go back and finish their degree is low........

[GoMuskies]

Then the solution isn't for these guys to spend an extra year in the prime of their earning potential in school. The solution is for them to finish their degrees once those years of earning potential have passed.

[XUGRAD80]

There is no one perfect solution that works for everyone. Everyone has to decide what is the best course of action for them. It’s nice to have options but there is no guarantee that the option one chooses will work out the way that they expect. Nor do we have access to what motivates each player. Just because we might decide to chase the money that’s right there, right now, doesn’t mean that every player should or will. Nor is it right for every player to stay in school, or even remain at X. These two players will be eligible to transfer and play right away if they choose to do so. So, they can leave and sign with a team somewhere to play professionally...I doubt that either ends up on an NBA roster right away....or, they can transfer to another program, or they can stay and play another year at X. IF they choose the last option it will certainly effect how the new freshman coming in are used.....which was the question that started this discussion (Will Odom be a day one starter at pg?).

There were a lot of people that were absolutely SURE that Blueitt wasn’t coming back for his senior year too. When it comes to these decisions there are NO Absolutes.

[Xuperman]

Pretty much positive that neither Paul nor Naj is transfer eligible.

[GoMuskies]

Pretty much positive that neither Paul nor Naj is transfer eligible.

I'm positive they both are, but that probably means sitting out a year, so there's zero chance they would do it. :)

Yes, I know you meant grad transfer.

[Xuperman]

The main reason most think they will forgo their last year of eligibility is that they are both "old" Juniors, therefore time is ticking.

But yea, If either one is thoroughly enjoying the college experience OR feel there is unfinished business, anything is possible.
(See Cassius Winston).

[Xuperman]

I'm positive they both are, but that probably means sitting out a year, so there's zero chance they would do it. :)

Yes, I know you meant grad transfer.

Yes, I did....thanks!

[Xville]

There is no one perfect solution that works for everyone. Everyone has to decide what is the best course of action for them. It’s nice to have options but there is no guarantee that the option one chooses will work out the way that they expect. Nor do we have access to what motivates each player. Just because we might decide to chase the money that’s right there, right now, doesn’t mean that every player should or will. Nor is it right for every player to stay in school, or even remain at X. These two players will be eligible to transfer and play right away if they choose to do so. So, they can leave and sign with a team somewhere to play professionally...I doubt that either ends up on an NBA roster right away....or, they can transfer to another program, or they can stay and play another year at X. IF they choose the last option it will certainly effect how the new freshman coming in are used.....which was the question that started this discussion (Will Odom be a day one starter at pg?).

There were a lot of people that were absolutely SURE that Blueitt wasn’t coming back for his senior year too. When it comes to these decisions there are NO Absolutes.

I'm not an nba gm or pretend to know exactly what teams are looking for, but based on what I see in todays NBA, potential means more than college production.

In other words, let's take for example Sumner vs Bluiett.

Sumner dripping with potential athletically, great physical measurements for his nba position...not a ton of college production.

Blueitt---great college production, short by nba standards for his position, below average athletically by nba standard.

There is a reason why sumner got drafted and blueitt did not. Blueitt was never going to get drafted unless he suddenly got more athletic which is pretty tough to do. So to me, it would have made zero sense for him to leave early.

Sumner on the other hand was dripping with potential athletically which got him drafted because nba teams believe that they can teach guys actual basketball skills, and guys will have a chance to do that better when they dont have to worry about school.

I know this isnt the end all be all and again I dont pretend to be an nba gm, but to me, if you are gifted athletically by nba standards and have the physical attributes, it makes sense to me for that person to leave early to refine their games. If they arent, then it may not make sense unless of course they just hate school or have a family situation or just want to go to europe.

Sorry for my rambling, but that's just kind of the way I see it. Paul and naji have the athletic gifts, their skills just need quite a bit of refining, and I think it is easier and better to do that in pro ball than in college. Imho

[Xuperman]

Could they run Odom at the point, and then Tandy at SG though? that could also be an option, Kyky's scoring is going to be needed next year, so he's gonna have to take a jump up in production, but I could see them both co-existing in the backcourt together. Kind of a fun prospect to think about too.

Back on topic, I will be shocked if Dwon doesn't have a significant impact from the jump...he continues to dominate pretty much every game and doesn't miss a beat when faced with top competition. This Beach Classic Tournament is a great example.

https://www.beachballclassic.com

Saturday's 30/3/10 performance vs Coronado (NV) was pretty special, as he was going up against 2021 5 STAR prospect Jaden Hardy. Granted Hardy got his (41-9-5) with far more touches, but Dwon gets the W.

In tonight's semi, we'll get a little preview of next year as he faces of with Butler commit Myles Tate of Dorman (SC)...they also feature future Clemson Tiger PJ Hall. Win there and he probably gets Illini commit Andre Curbelo who posted a scorching 25-19-9 Saturday.

These big Holiday tourneys showcase a lot of elite talent and the names get real interesting if you dig enough.
BTW- Odom won the SLAM DUNK contest last night.
:perfect10:

[GoMuskies]

Unless Steele has plans to bring in a grad transfer PG, there is basically no choice but for Odom to have a big impact from the start. We basically have to throw him to the wolves day 1 and hope he survives.

[Xuperman]

Unless Steele has plans to bring in a grad transfer PG, there is basically no choice but for Odom to have a big impact from the start. We basically have to throw him to the wolves day 1 and hope he survives.

There is loads of tape out there and full career stats to back up the optics.....he's ready now.

[Xville]

Good thing is that on paper odom and tandy should complement each other really well. Tandy can riee and fire with the best of them, whereas odom it sounds like is a dynamic ballhandler and passer who is not the best shooter.

[Juice]

Good thing is that on paper odom and tandy should complement each other really well. Tandy can riee and fire with the best of them, whereas odom it sounds like is a dynamic ballhandler and passer who is not the best shooter.

It's going to be the shortest back court we've had since Lyons-Holloway. That being said, both of these guys are freak athletes so it's slightly different.

[Xuperman]

In other news of interest, Colby Jones and Mountainbrook are in the semis at the prestigious Arby's Classic.

http://www.arbysclassic.net/2019-tournament.html

https://www.heraldcourier.com/sports/arby-s-classic-the-hoops-experience-kicks-off-today/article_2a1867a4-277b-11ea-acb5-ff772f370a1c.html

CoJo has scored 43 in his first 2 with nice complimentary numbers as well. Wanted to see him face Buckeyes commit Eugene Brown but they lost Saturday. Looks like he will see 6'5" stringbean Tristan Maxwell a Georgia Tech signee.

[xukeith]

Steele says Colby jones is the best pure shooter in the country. Not sure but he might be giving coach speech.

[bleedXblue]

Steele says Colby jones is the best pure shooter in the country. Not sure but he might be giving coach speech.

I think you mean CJ Wilcher........

[xukeith]

I think you mean CJ Wilcher........

Yes.

[noteggs]

As mentioned on Odom’s dunk contest, here are some highlights. Not bad for a guy 6’1”.

https://twitter.com/KacyHintz/status/1211499023267483648

[Xville]

As mentioned on Odom’s dunk contest, here are some highlights. Not bad for a guy 6’1”.

https://twitter.com/KacyHintz/status/1211499023267483648

Holy crap....not only super athletic but built like a freaking linebacker.

[IM4X]

As mentioned on Odom’s dunk contest, here are some highlights. Not bad for a guy 6’1”.

https://twitter.com/KacyHintz/status/1211499023267483648

thanks for positing noteggs.

Love his athleticism- though I’m completely okay with him toning done the circus stuff to avoid any foot/ankle injuries. Can’t afford to have another Kyky situation to start the season - especially if he is projected to be the starting PG for next year.

[XUGRAD80]

24/7 has him listed at 6’1”
Verbal Commits says he is 6’2”
Rivals says he is 6’3”

So who knows exactly how tall he actually is? Guess it might depend on who measures him and if he is wearing shoes. But if the kid can play it really doesn’t matter, and if he can’t play it doesn’t matter either.

Every indication is that he CAN play and I expect he will get a lot of minutes next year. Starter? Hard to say. But Freemantle isn’t starting and he is still getting a lot of floor time, so does it really matter who starts?

[Joel]

24/7 has him listed at 6’1”
Verbal Commits says he is 6’2”
Rivals says he is 6’3”


If we can just get a few more scouting services into the mix, he'll be 6'6" by the time he hits campus.

[XUGRAD80]

If we can just get a few more scouting services into the mix, he'll be 6'6" by the time he hits campus.

24/7 had Jones listed at 6’7” when X recruited him. The Media guide says he is 6’9”. Maybe he has grown 2 inches while at X, who are we to say? I guess it’s possible. Was Tu actually 6-foot?

[xukeith]

Kevin Frey was listed as 6'8 but currently on Twitter, Darnell Williams says he is 6'6.

Just subtract 2 inches from every players' height. It is a product that programs sell on for fans.

[Lloyd Braun]

Most shoes add 1.5”-2”. They play basketball in shoes so I’m ok with listing their height as that in shoes. At the combines they all get measured with and without shoes. Looking at Odom he looks like Eric Bledsoe to me. I hope he develops a solid jump shot but that boy can get buckets. Him and Tandy attacking is an exciting bonerific thought to have.

[X-man]

Kevin Frey was listed as 6'8 but currently on Twitter, Darnell Williams says he is 6'6.

Just subtract 2 inches from every players' height. It is a product that programs sell on for fans.

We all shrink as we age. Maybe that explains Frey's height reduction.

[GIMMFD]

It's going to be the shortest back court we've had since Lyons-Holloway. That being said, both of these guys are freak athletes so it's slightly different.

I'd be okay with that Odom and Tandy producing like Lyons-Holloway, those two were freaking gamers haha.