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scoscox
05-11-2019, 03:11 AM
As great as Durant is and as fun to watch as he is, the warriors are more fun to watch when he's not playing and the offense runs through steph.
Xville
05-11-2019, 08:08 AM
In my opinion, the nba is the least interesting it has ever been. At least the past couple of years, there was the Cavs golden state "rivalry," now it is the golden state invitational and to me it is extremely boring.
X-band '01
05-11-2019, 12:00 PM
If the Bucks and the Warriors face off in the NBA finals, we could see a potential passing of the torch to Giannis & Co. Longtime Bucks fans probably want to go through both Boston and Philly to do so - that was something they never accomplished with a bunch of historically underrated teams in the 80s.
bobbiemcgee
05-11-2019, 01:00 PM
Wouldn't count out the Nuggets just yet, altho I'm about to go broke buying Av's (so sad) and Nuggets tix. Headed to the Rockies game tonite with some free ducats. GO JOKER!
xukeith
05-11-2019, 02:57 PM
If the Bucks and the Warriors face off in the NBA finals, we could see a potential passing of the torch to Giannis & Co. Longtime Bucks fans probably want to go through both Boston and Philly to do so - that was something they never accomplished with a bunch of historically underrated teams in the 80s.
agree. Bucks look very solid! not sure who won match up against Warriors....
scoscox
05-11-2019, 05:44 PM
the bucks beat them 134-111 earlier this year and the warriors beat them 105-95 the next game. it'd be worth it just to see giannis vs durant.
smileyy
05-11-2019, 10:40 PM
Gotta love watching Giannis. And you can't help but love Nikola Jokic. I'm a huge Embiid fan too. What a great time for big men.
Masterofreality
05-12-2019, 02:36 PM
In my opinion, the nba is the least interesting it has ever been. At least the past couple of years, there was the Cavs golden state "rivalry," now it is the golden state invitational and to me it is extremely boring.
This. Cavs are in for a long rebuild. I take great pleasure in Kyrie's stumbles tho. Wanted to leave The Land to be "The Man" and he can't handle it.
scoscox
05-12-2019, 07:46 PM
Kyries just not good enough to carry a franchise as simple as that.
I think both conference finals could be really fun. I don’t think the warriors are as much of a shoe in as they’ve been in the past.
scoscox
05-12-2019, 07:49 PM
This. Cavs are in for a long rebuild. I take great pleasure in Kyrie's stumbles tho. Wanted to leave The Land to be "The Man" and he can't handle it.
I’m not even a Cleveland guy but him getting to Boston and saying he was glad to be in a “real sports town” pissed me off a little bit. Ohio pride started coming up a little bit lol. I also take a little solace in all the hate he’s getting from Boston fans now
XfansinKy
05-12-2019, 09:49 PM
Even though he lost today, the big white guy for Denver is the most gifted player I've seen in a while.
smileyy
05-12-2019, 11:25 PM
Jokic! The Joker!
Lloyd Braun
05-13-2019, 07:30 AM
If you were not entertained by Sunday’s games, I think it is safe to say the NBA is not for you.
murray87
05-13-2019, 08:53 AM
Woah, John Bielein to coach the Cavs!
Lloyd Braun
05-13-2019, 09:11 AM
Woah, John Bielein to coach the Cavs!
Steele to Michigan rumors starting...
Edit: This is a joke.
muskiefan82
05-13-2019, 10:02 AM
Wow. I bet they can get a better person than UCLA....
scoscox
05-13-2019, 05:40 PM
Wlw is reporting that there’s a rumor that the Lakers are looking to trade lebron to the 76ers for Ben Simmons. That would be absolutely wild.
GoMuskies
05-13-2019, 06:30 PM
Lebron is going to be 35 in December. Seems like a mistake for Philly to do that.
Turning 35 is, coincidentally, the exact moment that Kobe went from being a great player to a below average one. Okay, snapping his achillies played a major role in that...but 35 is right when he snapped his achillies!
Lloyd Braun
05-13-2019, 06:51 PM
Ben Simmons kind of reminds me of Evan Turner. Which is not a good thing. On offense you cannot play him on the wing as his jump shot is completely broken, his defender sags off and clogs the lane. If you put him in the post, he gets over powered by marginally good defensive post players. He is best with the ball in his hands, but he’s not elite or anywhere close to it. He’s coming up on an extension where he will want max money I’m not sure Philly is comfortable handing him AND embiid/Butler/Harris. His current trade value is not great.
Regarding Lebron, 35 is old and he has a lot of miles but he is still so good. He should shift to a natural 4 position and turn into Karl Malone in his prime. It would lengthen his career and ease the burden on his body.
So yea, I do the trade if I’m Philly. I do not if I’m LA. Hope to attract another max contract.
Xville
05-13-2019, 09:33 PM
I dont think lebron went to la for basketball reasons and doubt that has changed. Sounds like the rumor is from a teenager playing nba2k
Xville
05-14-2019, 09:59 AM
If and It's a HUGE If Michael Porter can go after multiple back surgeries, the Nuggets will be adding another extremely talented athletic 6'10 player to go along with Jokic and Murray. That's a great three headed monster that can win titles if GS breaks up, and Porter isn't a shell of what he was.
GIMMFD
05-14-2019, 01:15 PM
Lebron is going to be 35 in December. Seems like a mistake for Philly to do that.
Turning 35 is, coincidentally, the exact moment that Kobe went from being a great player to a below average one. Okay, snapping his achillies played a major role in that...but 35 is right when he snapped his achillies!
Yeah, Kobe's last three years weren't great by any means, but he still was Kobe Bryant. I think below average is a little harsh, I guess mainly because he set the bar very high for his play, but he still had flashes of Kobe in him. Was actually pretty crappy to watch, but I did really love his last game even though it was clear that they were going to let him score whatever he wanted.
I dont think lebron went to la for basketball reasons and doubt that has changed. Sounds like the rumor is from a teenager playing nba2k
Yeah, definitely agree with this, I think it's a dumb rumor, and I think it'd be dumb for Philadelphia to do. If they somehow manage to keep Jimmy Butler, and a couple other of their core guys, they have a really solid roster. JJ Redick has become pretty decent in the NBA, Tobias Harris has flashes of being pretty good, Joel Embiid, Simmons, and Butler is a pretty strong big 3, and the East is significantly weaker than the West. Philly would have a chance to compete, hell they did great this year, Kawhi just hit an incredible shot.
scoscox
05-14-2019, 02:29 PM
it'd be a beyond stupid move for philly, but i do think they need to twerk the roster a little bit if they want to get over the hump in the east.
scoscox
05-14-2019, 02:30 PM
If and It's a HUGE If Michael Porter can go after multiple back surgeries, the Nuggets will be adding another extremely talented athletic 6'10 player to go along with Jokic and Murray. That's a great three headed monster that can win titles if GS breaks up, and Porter isn't a shell of what he was.
personally i think the league will run through milwaukee for the foreseeable future.
Lloyd Braun
05-14-2019, 02:37 PM
Apparently nobody has watched Ben Simmons play NBA basketball .... not saying he is a complete bust but without any semblance of a jump shot he is not valuable whatsoever.
bobbiemcgee
05-14-2019, 02:40 PM
Porter set to play in the summer league, so we should see what he has. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Nuggets add one more scorer.
GoMuskies
05-14-2019, 03:09 PM
Apparently nobody has watched Ben Simmons play NBA basketball .... not saying he is a complete bust but without any semblance of a jump shot he is not valuable whatsoever.
Agree. Most guys who average 17/9/8 while shooting 56% are fairly worthless.
scoscox
05-14-2019, 03:59 PM
Apparently nobody has watched Ben Simmons play NBA basketball .... not saying he is a complete bust but without any semblance of a jump shot he is not valuable whatsoever.
false. hes very good
xufan2020
05-14-2019, 04:19 PM
Simmons averaged 11.5, 7 and 5 while shooting 56% from the line in the Toronto series.
He literally got exposed. He’s not that good
drudy23
05-14-2019, 04:29 PM
He's very good.
scoscox
05-14-2019, 04:29 PM
Simmons averaged 11.5, 7 and 5 while shooting 56% from the line in the Toronto series.
He literally got exposed. He’s not that good
there's a lot of room between "not that good" and "not valuable whatsoever". i don't think he's all that great, but he's a very good player, one bad series notwithstanding
smileyy
05-14-2019, 08:45 PM
He's a very good player whose limitations can kill you in the playoffs when a team can build a 7-game strategy around your lack of range outside 5'.
Also Embiid needs to embrace the pick and roll. For some reason he hates it.
If I'm Philly, I do LeBron for Simmons in a heartbeat.
GIMMFD
05-14-2019, 08:59 PM
He's a very good player whose limitations can kill you in the playoffs when a team can build a 7-game strategy around your lack of range outside 5'.
Also Embiid needs to embrace the pick and roll. For some reason he hates it.
If I'm Philly, I do LeBron for Simmons in a heartbeat.
I'd go after someone who's younger to be honest, LeBron can't have THAT many years left in the tank, as stated he's 35 already, and has been dealing with some injury issues and what not now. Yes, he's LeBron freaking James, but if they could maneuver Ben Simmons, I'd go after someone in their late 20s. Interestingly enough, if somehow they keep everyone, and let's just say Kyrie resigns in Boston, and Terry Rozier leaves like he says he's planning to, him joining that Philly squad would be pretty interesting in my opinion, though Rozier had selfish reasons saying "his usage went down" and that "he's not appreciated" so not too sure if he'd wanna be 4th option behind Butler, Embiid, and Simmons. However, a player like him could make Philadelphia legitimate contenders against Milwaukee in the East
XfansinKy
05-14-2019, 09:29 PM
If and It's a HUGE If Michael Porter can go after multiple back surgeries, the Nuggets will be adding another extremely talented athletic 6'10 player to go along with Jokic and Murray. That's a great three headed monster that can win titles if GS breaks up, and Porter isn't a shell of what he was.
That makes them even more fun to watch with that added athleticism too. Jokic the joker in my opinion, is a fine example of a guy that doesn't necessarily play above the rim, but his size and the way he's able to move means he's definitely athletic in his own right. He has really fast hands, great footwok, great vision, and on n on. Also, it seems like just the other day LeBron was coming in as a rookie being called The King., now he's winding down his career.
Masterofreality
05-15-2019, 01:08 PM
I'd go after someone who's younger to be honest, LeBron can't have THAT many years left in the tank, as stated he's 35 already, and has been dealing with some injury issues and what not now. Yes, he's LeBron freaking James, but if they could maneuver Ben Simmons, I'd go after someone in their late 20s. Interestingly enough, if somehow they keep everyone, and let's just say Kyrie resigns in Boston, and Terry Rozier leaves like he says he's planning to, him joining that Philly squad would be pretty interesting in my opinion, though Rozier had selfish reasons saying "his usage went down" and that "he's not appreciated" so not too sure if he'd wanna be 4th option behind Butler, Embiid, and Simmons. However, a player like him could make Philadelphia legitimate contenders against Milwaukee in the East
Lebron is "done" with basketball, as to his overwhelming desire to win. He'll take all of LA's money, but he's setting up his entertainment company now and really doesn't care anymore. He'll live that contract out, get his required contract years in, then come back and buy the Cavaliers.
GoMuskies
05-15-2019, 02:05 PM
I'm sure he'll be as good an owner as MJ.
smileyy
05-15-2019, 03:53 PM
I'm sure he'll be as good an owner as MJ.
He's certainly shown his skills as GM :eyeroll: Thought LeBron as GM did win a title in Cleveland.
Lloyd Braun
05-15-2019, 06:00 PM
there's a lot of room between "not that good" and "not valuable whatsoever". i don't think he's all that great, but he's a very good player, one bad series notwithstanding
Not valuable whatsoever is an over statement on my part without context. Sure he has value to a team in a vacuum. But he is going to demand a max salary or close to it, not because he is that good but because he thinks he is better than he is. Until he develops a jump shot, he would be valuable as a role player energy guy that crashes the boards and makes plays with the ball in his hand on offense. Shaun Livingston comes to mind. In the Toronto series, and really against any good team this year, he was completely ignored on offense. Literally his defender (Kawhi and/or Green) left him to go roam and help out against Embiid.
I’m sure there is a team that could use him better. But unless he is on the floor with 4 shooters it’s going to be a struggle to win a series against top competition.
Lloyd Braun
05-15-2019, 06:01 PM
Oh, and LeBron has plenty left in the tank. He’s not wasting it on a team that won’t win.
Xville
05-15-2019, 06:19 PM
Oh, and LeBron has plenty left in the tank. He’s not wasting it on a team that won’t win.
He has 2-3 years left in his prime and that’s probably pushing it. Him going to la was not a basketball decision, and his priorities have changed just like many of ours do as we get older. Does he still want to win? Sure! Is it a burning desire like he had when he went to Miami or back to Cleveland? Sure doesn’t seem that way.
Lloyd Braun
05-15-2019, 08:35 PM
He has 2-3 years left in his prime and that’s probably pushing it. Him going to la was not a basketball decision, and his priorities have changed just like many of ours do as we get older. Does he still want to win? Sure! Is it a burning desire like he had when he went to Miami or back to Cleveland? Sure doesn’t seem that way.
This is accurate.
Side note, watching Giannis makes me cry. Cavs took Anthony Bennett #1 overall that year. Nobody thought Giannis would be this good, and that was a terrible draft... but man he is a freak.
scoscox
06-02-2019, 09:02 PM
David West retiring has clearly decimated the warriors
Xville
06-02-2019, 09:25 PM
David West retiring has clearly decimated the warriors
And no one cares according to the tv ratings.
GoMuskies
06-02-2019, 09:31 PM
Hot take: NBA players are TOO good, which makes the game kind of boring. It's like tennis (particularly at a place like Wimbledon), where the men just hit the ball TOO hard, so I prefer the women's game. Now, don't go crazy and think this means I prefer the WNBA (no), but it's definitely a reason I think the college game is more interesting.
scoscox
06-02-2019, 09:51 PM
Hot take: NBA players are TOO good, which makes the game kind of boring. It's like tennis (particularly at a place like Wimbledon), where the men just hit the ball TOO hard, so I prefer the women's game. Now, don't go crazy and think this means I prefer the WNBA (no), but it's definitely a reason I think the college game is more interesting.
that tennis take is absolutely wild
Xville
06-02-2019, 10:02 PM
Hot take: NBA players are TOO good, which makes the game kind of boring. It's like tennis (particularly at a place like Wimbledon), where the men just hit the ball TOO hard, so I prefer the women's game. Now, don't go crazy and think this means I prefer the WNBA (no), but it's definitely a reason I think the college game is more interesting.
I think it's more of a no one is close to being as good as the warriors so why should anyone give a crap problem.
xudash
06-02-2019, 11:34 PM
Hot take: NBA players are TOO good, which makes the game kind of boring. It's like tennis (particularly at a place like Wimbledon), where the men just hit the ball TOO hard, so I prefer the women's game. Now, don't go crazy and think this means I prefer the WNBA (no), but it's definitely a reason I think the college game is more interesting.
Girly-mahn take on Wimbledon there GM.
GIMMFD
06-02-2019, 11:37 PM
I think it's more of a no one is close to being as good as the warriors so why should anyone give a crap problem.
Yeah, that and tonight's officiating was unbearable at times, the first quarter took 45 minutes. That's insane, felt like a lot of fouls disrupted the flow of the game.
Girly-mahn take on Wimbledon there GM.
Nothing hotter than a hot female doing her accomplished tennis thing! Oh Lordy!
Lloyd Braun
11-20-2019, 10:55 PM
Bringing back some Ben Simmons chatter... good news (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28125448/76ers-ben-simmons-drains-first-career-nba-3-pointer) for those firmly in Camp Simmons
kellernr
11-21-2019, 10:07 PM
He has 2-3 years left in his prime and that’s probably pushing it. Him going to la was not a basketball decision, and his priorities have changed just like many of ours do as we get older. Does he still want to win? Sure! Is it a burning desire like he had when he went to Miami or back to Cleveland? Sure doesn’t seem that way.Hes going to play until his kid goes pro. NBA will lift the one and done rule during Bronny's senior year. Lebron will force whatever team he is on to draft his son, play one year together then retire. I'm not an fan of his but he has that kind of pull
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bobbiemcgee
11-21-2019, 10:13 PM
Have to give our Nuggets some love. Bottled up Westbrook and Harden last night. Very good YOUNG team. Love the JOKER!
bobbiemcgee
09-02-2020, 10:19 AM
Had that sinking feeling when Mike Conley took that last 3 pter for the Jazz last nite. This time it rolled out and Nuggets won Game 7 80-78.
bobbiemcgee
09-16-2020, 12:08 AM
Nuggets win 6 straight elimination games and sink the LA-LA series.
muskiefan82
09-16-2020, 08:12 AM
Nuggets win 6 straight elimination games and sink the LA-LA series.
Six straight? That is an interesting nugget of information....
Xville
06-24-2021, 10:12 PM
So when the suns win it this year…will position basketball be the new trend/hotness? A real point guard, shooting guard, a big man who actually plays inside etc? Probably not, but I gotta admit I like the purity of it.
So when the suns win it this year…will position basketball be the new trend/hotness? A real point guard, shooting guard, a big man who actually plays inside etc? Probably not, but I gotta admit I like the purity of it.
Chris Paul is indeed refreshing to watch.
EDIT: But not a great first game back……..
Xavier
06-25-2021, 12:19 PM
So when the suns win it this year…will position basketball be the new trend/hotness? A real point guard, shooting guard, a big man who actually plays inside etc? Probably not, but I gotta admit I like the purity of it.
That team won 14 games two years ago. I know they snagged CP, but it is refreshing to see an organization draft well- get smart pieces in FA- and be able to compete for the championship. Hoping to see Hawks vs Suns, just because I was really high on Young for awhile.
Lloyd Braun
06-25-2021, 12:54 PM
This is not intended to take away from the Suns, BUT this is far from a typical NBA season to say their roster setup should be emulated. They very well could be in the same position without injuries but to play devils advocate the injuries for contending teams is higher than usual. Would a healthy Anthony Davis/LeBron, Harden/Kyrie, Kawhi, Donovan Mitchell etc. have a different outcome in the season? I think so. Again they’ve done a fantastic job putting the pieces together and are well coached, just wouldn’t be surprised to see some haters out there that have some ground to stand on.
bobbiemcgee
05-21-2023, 10:42 AM
Jamal Murray is quite entertaining. Game 2 end and beginning of game 3, he had 53 pts. in 36 minutes.
bobbiemcgee
06-08-2023, 10:53 AM
Nuggets back playing their game.
noteggs
06-11-2023, 03:07 PM
One of my favorite commercials of the year. Iverson is hilarious
https://www.google.com/search?q=allen+iverson+cash+back&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:92f82bd4,vid:oNH6P2MbgH8
Xville
06-12-2023, 11:08 PM
Congrats to jokic… him and Giannis from a couple years ago… great representatives of the game.
bobbiemcgee
06-13-2023, 05:53 PM
Joker "I just want to go home"
Mel Cooley XU'81
06-13-2023, 08:59 PM
“Jokic wound up leading the entire NBA playoffs in points, rebounds and assists—the first time that’s happened in league history.” Gay/WSJ
Well done, sir.
bobbiemcgee
06-16-2023, 12:24 PM
Getting use to the parades every year.
GoMuskies
06-16-2023, 01:23 PM
No risk of the Broncos or Rockies joining the fun anytime soon.
bobbiemcgee
06-16-2023, 02:28 PM
Need kroenke to buy Rockies
xuphan
06-16-2023, 02:55 PM
Need kroenke to buy Rockies
Need Kronke to buy the Bengles and Reds.
Xville
06-20-2023, 04:00 PM
Draft in two days. Latest mocks I see have Colby early in 2nd round which seems more likely to me than the first he had been projected early on. Hope he gets a guaranteed contract from whomever takes him if it is in the 2nd and he has a nice long career. Probably more important than where he is drafted, is the org. he gets drafted to.
xavierj
06-20-2023, 09:49 PM
Draft in two days. Latest mocks I see have Colby early in 2nd round which seems more likely to me than the first he had been projected early on. Hope he gets a guaranteed contract from whomever takes him if it is in the 2nd and he has a nice long career. Probably more important than where he is drafted, is the org. he gets drafted to.
I just did I a Google search and 5 out of the 6 I looked at still had him first round between 22-30. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up early 2nd but would also not be surprised to see him go somewhere between 20-25.
Xville
06-20-2023, 10:12 PM
I just did I a Google search and 5 out of the 6 I looked at still had him first round between 22-30. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up early 2nd but would also not be surprised to see him go somewhere between 20-25.
Fair enough. I looked at two and saw 2nd. Either way hope he ends up with an org that knows what they are doing.
The latest I saw was to the Nets @ 21. Prosper from Marquette stock has risen to the point he's been invited to the Green room for draft night.
Xville
06-22-2023, 08:24 PM
Colby’s night.
Saw a mock today of him going to the kings. That would be awesome.. up and coming exciting team with an org that suddenly knows what it’s doing.
muskiefan82
06-22-2023, 08:35 PM
First round helps Xavier and Miller. Hoping that happens for Mr. Jones.
Xville
06-22-2023, 09:43 PM
Hawkins lottery pick and whitmore dropping big time. Interesting!
D-West & PO-Z
06-22-2023, 10:03 PM
Yeah, can't believe Cam is still around. I thought he would be top 10.
Colby is Bilas' 5th best player available at this point at #18 on the clock.
Yeah, can't believe Cam is still around. I thought he would be top 10.
Colby is Bilas' 5th best player available at this point at #18 on the clock.
I’m rarely pro-Bilas. But I’m flexible.
drudy23
06-22-2023, 10:11 PM
They might want to retire the Bilas list. The dude is never right.
KabeX
06-22-2023, 10:14 PM
Nets with B2B picks coming up. Colby either goes there or to the Kings. Write in down. Bank it.
KabeX
06-22-2023, 10:15 PM
They might want to retire the Bilas list. The dude is never right.
Plus, his name is really easy to pronounce (well that's beer .. responding to the wrong post but you get the idea ;)
Xville
06-22-2023, 10:17 PM
Nets with B2B picks coming up. Colby either goes there or to the Kings. Write in down. Bank it.
Hopefully the kings. Nets are kind of a mess right now.
Hopefully the kings. Nets are kind of a mess right now.
Where you land is VERY important.
muskiefan82
06-22-2023, 10:33 PM
Hopefully the kings. Nets are kind of a mess right now.
You don't think the Pacers will take him now that they have two picks?
KabeX
06-22-2023, 10:37 PM
I'm thinking Kings and if not I think he drops to early 2nd (maybe Nuggets?). But I must also advise you all that I have, like Jay Bilas, have no idea what I'm talking about.
Xville
06-22-2023, 10:37 PM
You don't think the Pacers will take him now that they have two picks?
Maybe.. no clue. I think the kings would be a great fit. Pacers are stuck in mediocrity, but prolly not a terrible spot. I like the walker pick
D-West & PO-Z
06-22-2023, 11:00 PM
Only 3 first rd slots left for Colby......
D-West & PO-Z
06-22-2023, 11:05 PM
Down to Pacers or Clippers to be 1st rounder. (Actually Pacer's pick will be going to Denver.)
After that just hope he gets a really good fit in the 2nd.
Would love to see him go in the first.
KabeX
06-22-2023, 11:06 PM
Mr. Jones in next. He will enjoy the Mile High City (and they will enjoy him).
D-West & PO-Z
06-22-2023, 11:09 PM
1 chance left.......
muskiefan82
06-22-2023, 11:12 PM
Oh well
D-West & PO-Z
06-22-2023, 11:15 PM
Not a 1st rounder but can still land in a good situation with a team that values what he can provide. I think his readiness early will help him make a team. We shall see. No idea which teams would be the best first.
The Clippers selected Kobe Brown....Silver started to say Kobe sounding like Colby and I started to get pretty excited.
D-West & PO-Z
06-22-2023, 11:31 PM
There it is....#34 to the Hornets.
Masterofreality
06-22-2023, 11:31 PM
Charlotte for Colby
D-West & PO-Z
06-22-2023, 11:32 PM
Colby actually on the way to the Kings......
GreatWhiteNorth
06-22-2023, 11:35 PM
Good luck Colby; have a great career in nba.
Xville
06-23-2023, 06:48 AM
Exciting up and coming team and great fit. Thank goodness it wasn’t the hornets. Go getem jones!
muskiefan82
06-23-2023, 07:57 AM
Sanogo not getting drafted was interesting.
GoMuskies
06-23-2023, 08:44 AM
Sanogo not getting drafted was interesting.
Speaking of, I'm not sure why Timme didn't go back and spend another year at Gonzaga. That was clearly going to be the pinnacle of his athletic career (and nothing wrong with your top athletic achievement being named a first team All-American!), and with NIL I assume he could have made some pretty good money there. Europe will still be there in a year, and it's not like you're giving up a year of income like you used to have to do.
murray87
06-23-2023, 09:02 AM
Sanogo not getting drafted was interesting.
And also Oscar Tshiebwe. I guess I'm just really out of touch with what the NBA is about these days. Makes you wonder if Tyrone Hill and Briant Grant would get drafted now.
Xville
06-23-2023, 09:39 AM
If you’re an undersized forward which sanogo and tshewbe are for the nba, you better have an outside shot and neither of them have really shown that they have one.
To your point, honestly I don’t think grant and/or hill would be drafted today. It’s just a completely different game
bobbiemcgee
06-23-2023, 10:57 AM
Funny Jokic went 41 during a taco bell commercial
bjf123
06-23-2023, 11:42 AM
Sanogo not getting drafted was interesting.
He’ll make a nice living overseas somewhere.
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webxu
06-23-2023, 12:42 PM
If you’re an undersized forward which sanogo and tshewbe are for the nba, you better have an outside shot and neither of them have really shown that they have one.
To your point, honestly I don’t think grant and/or hill would be drafted today. It’s just a completely different game
Sanogo actually shot .365 from 3 this year on 52 attempts. which isnt terrible, enough to be dangerous.
Xville
06-23-2023, 12:54 PM
Sanogo actually shot .365 from 3 this year on 52 attempts. which isnt terrible, enough to be dangerous.
It’s not good when you are measured at 6’7 and lack nba athleticism. I like his game and he seems like a tremendous person and He could maybe play a role somewhere, someday but there’s a reason why he wasn’t drafted or I guess a few reasons.
MHettel
06-23-2023, 01:52 PM
And also Oscar Tshiebwe. I guess I'm just really out of touch with what the NBA is about these days. Makes you wonder if Tyrone Hill and Briant Grant would get drafted now.
Keep in mind that nearly all frontline players in the NBA can shoot the 3 at least well enough to make the other team respect them which can draw the interior defense away from the basket.
Back in Hill and Grant time, that simply wasnt a necessary skill and the emphasis was more on post offense and defense.
My guess is that if those guys were playing today, they would be putting max effort into their outside shooting, cause it would be necessary. Cant compare their undeveloped shooting from an era where it wasnt needed to an era where they certainly would be working on it. not saying that EITHER of those guys would be a great shooter, but they certain would have put in the work.
A little further on this topic is DWest. West took exactly 1 3 point attempt in his first 2 years at XU. As a Junior he was 9 for 28 (.321%). As a senior he was 9 for 26 (.346%). In the NBA West was 57-215 in his career from 3. He played 1034 games. I cant imagine a guy like him wouldnt be expected to be amore prolific and productive deep shooter in todays NBA. I'm not sure he's even draftable with the skillset he had. But omn teh other hand, I'm sure he would have put more time into his shooting, and I'm confident that he could have developed into a servicable NBA 3 pt shooter.
Xville
06-23-2023, 02:50 PM
In regards to west, I remember him having an excellent mid range game in the nba. He was at the end of his career when the nba game suddenly changed. I think had he entered the league in the last 5-10 years he would still be a great fit because I think he had the skills to be that floor spacer. He certainly would have developed that three point shot imo.
D-West & PO-Z
06-23-2023, 04:13 PM
In regards to west, I remember him having an excellent mid range game in the nba. He was at the end of his career when the nba game suddenly changed. I think had he entered the league in the last 5-10 years he would still be a great fit because I think he had the skills to be that floor spacer. He certainly would have developed that three point shot imo.
Yeah West always had a great mid range game.
I do remember him being actively criticized by some while at the end of his time at Xavier that he was taking too many outside shots and not in the post enough trying to improve his NBA stock.
David West played another 9 years in the NBA after Curry entered the league in 2009, one of those years being an All star year. Not sure what the consensus is on when the NBA drastically changed strategy to emphasizing the 3 so much, but it wasn't too long after Curry entered the league and West played for quite a few more years, remaining very productive.
Xville
06-23-2023, 04:30 PM
Yeah West always had a great mid range game.
I do remember him being actively criticized by some while at the end of his time at Xavier that he was taking too many outside shots and not in the post enough trying to improve his NBA stock.
David West played another 9 years in the NBA after Curry entered the league in 2009, one of those years being an All star year. Not sure what the consensus is on when the NBA drastically changed strategy to emphasizing the 3 so much, but it wasn't too long after Curry entered the league and West played for quite a few more years, remaining very productive.
You look at even curry… his three pts didn’t dramatically go up until his fourth year which was 12-13. To me that seems about right but I think it drastically changed when the warriors won their first title which was 14-15. I remember at that point everyone trying to be the warriors and “position less” basketball really exploded
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