MICK CRONIN gets out of town

[Xuperman]

What is UCLA thinkig?

[XUOWNSUC]

What is UCLA thinkig?

Dammit. uc just got better- especially if they hire Brannen.

[Xuperman]

It's gonna hurt already poor recruiting. Will Samari Curtis de-commit?.....AGAIN. Expect them to struggle in the short term.

[Xuperman]

I mean this is weird..... John Wooden-Mick Cronin? Could there be a more profound contrast? California seems is a strange place for an angry gnome to live.

[Blue Blooded-05]

I mean this is weird..... John Wooden-Mick Cronin? Could there be a more profound contrast? California seems is a strange place for an angry gnome to live.

Not when your fall back plan is starring as a munchkin in the next revival of The Wizard of Oz!

Thad Matta to UC... book it! That would certainly keep the hate alive

[xeus]

I hope that idiot gets a wardrobe consultation. Westwood in Cincinnati is NOT Westwood in LA.

[Muskie in dayton]

It’s a sad day for Xavier fans. Let’s hope UC does the right thing and hires someone just as inept and hateable.

[Muskie]

With CM's departure to the land of the Cardinal and MC's departure to the Land of Westwood, the Crosstown just lot animosity.

[xudash]

I hope that idiot gets a wardrobe consultation. Westwood in Cincinnati is NOT Westwood in LA.

He won't need that.

Rumor has it that the AD there has personally hired the real estate agent that will be taking the Micster around and that the agent has been ordered to only show him available properties in Oxnard and Bakersfield.

He's only allowed in Westwood in UCLA warm-up gear.

[chico]

Rumor has it the deal was finalized because he was able to get permission to ride the roller coasters at Disney Land, something he was never allowed to do at Kings Island (except for the Scrappy Doo). The only caveat is that he must be accompanied by a consenting adult.

[X-band '01]

Rumor has it the deal was finalized because he was able to get permission to ride the roller coasters at Walley World, something he was never allowed to do at Kings Island (except for the Scrappy Doo). No strings attached.

Fixed that for you.

[Masterofreality]

I hope that idiot gets a wardrobe consultation. Westwood in Cincinnati is NOT Westwood in LA.

"West Side" to Westwood. Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa....HA!

Can't wait for Mickey to join the Crips.

[STL_XUfan]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e4687fd866dda83ed3c8fc58981fc112/tenor.gif?itemid=5413653

Mike Bohn trying his best to retain Mick.

[94GRAD]

"West Side" to Westwood. Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa....HA!

Can't wait for Mickey to join the Crips.

Don't besmirch the Crips like that, Cronin is definitely a Blood!!!

[bleedXblue]

Honestly this is a great gig. 24 million dollars is damn impressive. I dont think he can win there....they way that UCLA expects you to win, but can you blame him?

UC can now hire a real coach.....dammit!

[XUGRAD80]

I know he has a six year contract, but I’ll be somewhat surprised if he is still there in year 4. I’m not sure what UCLA was thinking beyond the idea that they needed to get someone in there quick. UCLA is not the program that it once was. It’s said that the facilities aren’t all that great compared to others, anymore. USC is doing a great job recruiting wise. The fan base is certainly not what it once was. The PAC12 is no longer a power conference, so if anything the competition will be less than what he had at UC. I completely understand the 24 million reasons Mick would take the job, but I sure don’t understand the reasons UCLA offered.

Sad to see him go because I feel that UC will hire someone that will do a much better job and will be much more competitive in the recruiting area.

[GIMMFD]

Well this sucks, UC might actually be competent again, that's pretty sad. I did see somewhere on Twitter that Kenyon Martin was lobbying for Nick Van Exel to get the head coaching job. Kinda crazy seeing all these former players I actually watched play getting coaching jobs like Stackhouse, Penny Hardaway (I was young but still saw him damnit), etc.

[xudash]

Well this sucks, UC might actually be competent again, that's pretty sad. I did see somewhere on Twitter that Kenyon Martin was lobbying for Nick Van Exel to get the head coaching job. Kinda crazy seeing all these former players I actually watched play getting coaching jobs like Stackhouse, Penny Hardaway (I was young but still saw him damnit), etc.

Well, if the glass is half full for us, perhaps they will pull a Chris Mullin at St. Johns and a new player coach will fail.

[muskiefan82]

Outside of the money, I have to wonder if Brannen isn't really in a better situation at NKU. I guess the ACK! is better then the horizon, but the arena is top notch and the expectations are not as high.

[Backyard Champ]

Outside of the money, I have to wonder if Brannen isn't really in a better situation at NKU. I guess the ACK! is better then the horizon, but the arena is top notch and the expectations are not as high.

No offense to NKU, but not even close. I am no UC fan, but they are a far better program than NKU.

[muskiefan82]

I agree, but if the money wasn't so much better, is it worth the extra headache? I guess coaches do want to challenge themselves against better competition. It will be interesting to see who they get

[Juice]

Outside of the money, I have to wonder if Brannen isn't really in a better situation at NKU. I guess the ACK! is better then the horizon, but the arena is top notch and the expectations are not as high.

Let's not get crazy. The AAC was the 6th best conference this season. The Horizon was 18th out of 32 total conferences. BB&T Arena is great, but what about the other facilities? The weight room, etc.? What about the support staff? The Under Armour deal? UC also was probably paying Mick in the mid to high 2 mill range I think and Brannen is making around $370K.

[XUGRAD80]

I live right down the road from NKU, have been to games there many times, driven through campus a lot. I’ve also attended many games at UC and used to live across Clifton Ace from campus.....IMHO it’s not even close. NKU is a nice school (my daughter graduated from there), but UC is a MAJOR university. The facilities, the pay, the perks, the competition, the fan support, the position is head and shoulders above what NKU will EVER be. I’m sure that Brannon wouldn’t even hesitate to say yes to UC.

[muskiefan82]

Of course Brannen would never say no to UC, but my God it would be funny if he did. Stupid, but awesome.

[xudash]

The luckiest man alive on this planet �� today: the Athletic Director of the Univ. of Cincinnati.

[GoMuskies]

The luckiest man alive on this planet �� today: the Athletic Director of the Univ. of Cincinnati.

He stole our Googs, so I hate him.

[IM4X]

I am truly shocked that they chose him. I get he has made the tournament many times but they expect someone to get to a final four and potentially win a national championship. The guy has made what... 1 sweet 16.

Then there is his personality. Just doesn’t seem like a natural fit for a west coast job. especially UCLA.

i could see him being a candidate for the St. John’s or Syracuse job (if those jobs were to open up), but UCLA?

[XUGRAD80]

Of course Brannen would never say no to UC, but my God it would be funny if he did. Stupid, but awesome.

OMG, that would be too funny!

[xukeith]

OMG, that would be too funny!

What if Mark Schmidt from St. Bonaventure accepted? I seriously doubt he would but a former X assistant and great guy would be ironic.

[D-West & PO-Z]

What if Mark Schmidt from St. Bonaventure accepted? I seriously doubt he would but a former X assistant and great guy would be ironic.

Pat Kelsey!

Edit: fat chance but would be interesting.

I really think they end up with Brannen.

[Go Go Golston]

I am not a UC fan nor am I a fan of Mick Cronin, but my God, the comments on here are small minded and sound like Butler or Dayton fans. Saying NKU is a better gig than UC?? And that Cronin will ultimately fail?? Sorry to see him go because now they will be a decent program?? The dude has faults just like Chris Mack or Skip Prosser (GRHS) or Thad Matta but he did win alot of games for them and did it with decent enough guys-except for the fight year. Cut him some slack and lets focus on our team. This thread makes Xavier look like the ugly step child who's fighting back. Give it a break.

[XUGRAD80]

I am not a UC fan nor am I a fan of Mick Cronin, but my God, the comments on here are small minded and sound like Butler or Dayton fans. Saying NKU is a better gig than UC?? And that Cronin will ultimately fail?? Sorry to see him go because now they will be a decent program?? The dude has faults just like Chris Mack or Skip Prosser (GRHS) or Thad Matta but he did win alot of games for them and did it with decent enough guys-except for the fight year. Cut him some slack and lets focus on our team. This thread makes Xavier look like the ugly step child who's fighting back. Give it a break.

I do believe that he will “fail”. Not because of what he does, but because of what he doesn’t do...and what will probably never be done again....he won’t lead UCLA to national championships. Tourneys, Sweet 16’s, even Final 4’s are not going to be good enough for the big money people at UCLA. They want national championships. But based on what I’ve read are the obstacles they face are, the chances of that happening are extremely slim. Cronin is what he is, a good coach, but not a great coach. He hasn’t shown himself to be a great recruiter. Hasn’t been someone that gets the fan base really enthused, either. He will do OK, it he won’t reach the heights that the UCLA big money supports want. I personally don’t think anyone can. I don’t have anything at all against him, absolutely nothing. But based on the “expectations” he will be facing...he will probably fail. In the meantime he will become a multi-millionaire....not a bad gig if you can get it.

By the way....this is rather tame on this board. Go over to the UC board and read it for awhile if you want to see some people celebrating and sending out some parting shots!

[muskiefan82]

I am not a UC fan nor am I a fan of Mick Cronin, but my God, the comments on here are small minded and sound like Butler or Dayton fans. Saying NKU is a better gig than UC?? And that Cronin will ultimately fail?? Sorry to see him go because now they will be a decent program?? The dude has faults just like Chris Mack or Skip Prosser (GRHS) or Thad Matta but he did win alot of games for them and did it with decent enough guys-except for the fight year. Cut him some slack and lets focus on our team. This thread makes Xavier look like the ugly step child who's fighting back. Give it a break.

Lighten up Francis. We're mostly kidding. Especially about NKU. No one here REALLY believes UC isn't a better gig than NKU.

[XfansinKy]

I'm pretty sure this hasn't been mentioned because the information I got from my source is at the bottom. Tony Yates has reportedly checked out of his assisted living home AMA(although he seems in great physical and mental health), and has found and dusted off the ol' playbook that was instrumental in ushering in the modern day shot clock. He's considered a front runner and isn't looking at any other positions. I will keep you informed as more information comes in. No need to thank me. The love you show me about my thought facilitating/provoking/trolling posts are enough. Not to mention the heart felt apology D West selfie gave me for twisting my words to fit a different narrative. This could be big!

[xubrew]

Kevin Stallings is available!

[XfansinKy]

Sincerely, it will be Matt McMahon from Murray St. With Nick Van Excel as a long shot or potential associate head coach.

[xudash]

I am not a UC fan nor am I a fan of Mick Cronin, but my God, the comments on here are small minded and sound like Butler or Dayton fans. Saying NKU is a better gig than UC?? And that Cronin will ultimately fail?? Sorry to see him go because now they will be a decent program?? The dude has faults just like Chris Mack or Skip Prosser (GRHS) or Thad Matta but he did win alot of games for them and did it with decent enough guys-except for the fight year. Cut him some slack and lets focus on our team. This thread makes Xavier look like the ugly step child who's fighting back. Give it a break.

We are having fun at the expense of a douchebag. Do you not think that Ohio State fans hold open season sessions on Harbaugh? Does that make Ohio State "an ugly stepchild"? Hardly.

Cronin is an idiot and a tool. He now has managed to lose remarkably in the NCAAT.

He doesn't fit in almost anywhere, but he especially will not fit in in Westwood.

This isn't about us being small minded. This is about Cronin serving himself up on an abuse platter.

[Lamont Sanford]

I think it's either Brannen or Slick Nick Van Exel.

[OH.X.MI]

I am not a UC fan nor am I a fan of Mick Cronin, but my God, the comments on here are small minded and sound like Butler or Dayton fans. Saying NKU is a better gig than UC?? And that Cronin will ultimately fail?? Sorry to see him go because now they will be a decent program?? The dude has faults just like Chris Mack or Skip Prosser (GRHS) or Thad Matta but he did win alot of games for them and did it with decent enough guys-except for the fight year. Cut him some slack and lets focus on our team. This thread makes Xavier look like the ugly step child who's fighting back. Give it a break.

I mean everything I've ever said and will say about Cronin. And while I obviously am an X fan and very bias, I do hold a graduate degree from UC and am glad he's no longer a face (maybe the face?) of the institution. Yeah he was an okay coach. And yeah, most of his players were seemingly good dudes who represented UC well. That's great. What about Mick? Aside from his incessant bitching, the guy actually tried to fight JP. A grown man making millions tried to fight a 22 year old on a basketball court. There's no doubt in my mind that low life would have swung if he hadn't been held back. UC can and should do better than that white trash bum.

[XUGRAD80]

I believe that the open evaluation period for recruiting comes up in about 2 weeks, so I would expect UC to find a replacement very quickly.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Someone said they heard Brian Gregory's name as a possibility. I thought they had to be joking but they were serious. That. Would. Be. Hysterical.

[GIMMFD]

Someone said they heard Brian Gregory's name as a possibility. I thought they had to be joking but they were serious. That. Would. Be. Hysterical.

This would probably be the funniest outcome I could think of, I highly doubt they botch it that bad. The AD made a great hire for the football program in Luke Fickell, so I think he's going to be competent enough to find a decent head coach, but wow the jokes would write themselves.

[Get Real]

1. McMahon
2.Brannen
3. Van Exel

The 1st two would use UC as a stepping stone into one of the power 5 conferences, so that would be a span of 3-5 years. Van Exel, if liike almost all NBA asst's that move to college with only NBA experience, would last longer albeit with less success than expected. My choice would be McMahon; given his work at Murray and their performance in the tourney.

[xuwin]

It’s a sad day for Xavier fans. Let’s hope UC does the right thing and hires someone just as inept and hateable.

UC hired Tuberville so there's hope.

[X-band '01]

That was on Whit Babcock's watch, though. Mike Bohn has been much smarter with their hires for football, women's basketball and baseball.

[xubrew]

Kevin Stallings is available!

Kevin Stallings is still available!

[XUOWNSUC]

Someone said they heard Brian Gregory's name as a possibility. I thought they had to be joking but they were serious. That. Would. Be. Hysterical.

uc must have a maximum height requirement that the head coach is not allowed to exceed.

[Xville]

1. McMahon
2.Brannen
3. Van Exel

The 1st two would use UC as a stepping stone into one of the power 5 conferences, so that would be a span of 3-5 years. Van Exel, if liike almost all NBA asst's that move to college with only NBA experience, would last longer albeit with less success than expected. My choice would be McMahon; given his work at Murray and their performance in the tourney.

I'd like to see McMahon have some success without a top 3 NBA pick before hiring him. I know his first year there he won the division but overall that was a pretty meh record.

[MHettel]

Nick Van Exel would be a disaster. And Im totally fine with that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

uc must have a maximum height requirement that the head coach is not allowed to exceed.

Shit! I was trying to rep you and accidentally clicked negative rep or whatever. So sorry!

Reps to anyone who reps this post by XUOWNSUC for me to make up for my mistake!

[XU 87]

Shit! I was trying to rep you and accidentally clicked negative rep or whatever. So sorry!

Reps to anyone who reps this post by XUOWNSUC for me to make up for my mistake!

I got your back.

[JTG]

Nick Van Exel would be a disaster. And Im totally fine with that.

Not to mention, probably easy to hate also.

[xudash]

Shit! I was trying to rep you and accidentally clicked negative rep or whatever. So sorry!

Reps to anyone who reps this post by XUOWNSUC for me to make up for my mistake!

Done.

[94GRAD]

Shit! I was trying to rep you and accidentally clicked negative rep or whatever. So sorry!

Reps to anyone who reps this post by XUOWNSUC for me to make up for my mistake!

Done. And he has some heavy hitters giving him reps!!!

[xu82]

What is UCLA thinkig?

Well, initially they were thinking it was a good move to offer Calipari a pay cut to come join them. In other words, they are NOT thinking at all.

[xubrew]

Frank Martin is being rumored.

[paulxu]

Frank Martin is being rumored.

Huh? Why would you leave the SEC for the AAC?

[drudy23]

Brannen or the murray st guy is the typical traditional move that they will likely make. No clue where Brian Gregory comes from. Likely one of Bohn's buddies, because that's how it works. Probably using a "search committee" to pay $250k to because he has a buddy with an interest there as well.

I would also absolutely talk to Pitino, but they won't because of "optics".

The absolutely should consider Van Exel, but they won't, because it's the farthest away from the traditional move.

[XUGRAD80]

Huh? Why would you leave the SEC for the AAC?

He was an assistant under Huggins at UC....


Seriously, people are just throwing names out there and seeing what sticks

[Xville]

Would be great if st John's could somehow get Martin. I know chances are slim to none but talk about a great fit, and a great coach to have in the big east. Want to see a coach who actually does give a crap about his kids and not just lip service like a lot of coaches? That's Frank Martin to a tee.

Tim cluess who it sounds like is the front runner is about as unimpressive of a hire they could make. 60 year old guy whose biggest job has been at a low major...gross...dont care if he is a "new york" guy

[X-band '01]

Huh? Why would you leave the SEC for the AAC?

Getting out of Dodge before the posse fires him for one more season without an NCAA Tournament, perhaps? Coaches have been dropping like flies in the SEC this offseason.

I can't imagine he'd be paid more at UC than he was at South Carolina, but it would be funny if he got paid more at UC than Cronin ever did. At least he's managed a Final 4 at South Carolina and an Elite 8 at Kansas State. Wouldn't be nearly as difficult trying to win in the American as opposed to the SEC for the foreseeable future.

[X-band '01]

Would be great if st John's could somehow get Martin. I know chances are slim to none but talk about a great fit, and a great coach to have in the big east. Want to see a coach who actually does give a crap about his kids and not just lip service like a lot of coaches? That's Frank Martin to a tee.

There are rumors that Tim Cluess might end up being head coach at St. John's. He's actually gotten Iona to the NCAA Tournament multiple seasons in a row.

[Xville]

There are rumors that Tim Cluess might end up being head coach at St. John's. He's actually gotten Iona to the NCAA Tournament multiple seasons in a row.

In my opinion that's about as unimpressive of a hire that they could make. The guy is 60 and his biggest job has been at a low major school. It's a hire an a10 school would make.

[scoscox]

UC's most important requirement for candidates seems to be being a massive hardass

[Juice]

Getting out of Dodge before the posse fires him for one more season without an NCAA Tournament, perhaps? Coaches have been dropping like flies in the SEC this offseason.

I can't imagine he'd be paid more at UC than he was at South Carolina, but it would be funny if he got paid more at UC than Cronin ever did. At least he's managed a Final 4 at South Carolina and an Elite 8 at Kansas State. Wouldn't be nearly as difficult trying to win in the American as opposed to the SEC for the foreseeable future.

His record at South Carolina makes zero sense. He has been there 7 seasons, made the tournament once and went to the final 4 that year as a 7 seed. Some may say, and include me, that that season was a fluke.

[Lloyd Braun]

I sure hope we have a fluke season soon!

[xu82]

I sure hope we have a fluke season soon!

I pray it’s not a fluke!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I got your back.

Thanks, public reps, man holding me down.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Done.


Done. And he has some heavy hitters giving him reps!!!



Thanks, reps!

[Xavier]

If the AD wants to be loved he should just bring Huggins back.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Mike DeCoursey is such a Cronin shill. It's gross. On twitter he is awful. He actually implied X would be afraid to schedule UCLA with Mick there. Hilarious, Mick would never agree to that. Cintas is a house of horrors for lil Mickey.

[noteggs]

If the AD wants to be loved he should just bring Huggins back.

Well Nancy Zimpher left so that obstacle is gone.

[X-band '01]

In my opinion that's about as unimpressive of a hire that they could make. The guy is 60 and his biggest job has been at a low major school. It's a hire an a10 school would make.

It's not going to be Bobby Hurley - he's even gone on record as saying that he's looking to stay at Arizona State for the foreseeable future. Looks like he'll be getting a nice payday out of the St. John's interest.

[XUGRAD80]

It's not going to be Bobby Hurley - he's even gone on record as saying that he's looking to stay at Arizona State for the foreseeable future. Looks like he'll be getting a nice payday out of the St. John's interest.

Who in their right mind would trade the Arizona winters for the winters in NYC? He ain’t dumb.

[scoscox]

Mike DeCoursey is such a Cronin shill. It's gross. On twitter he is awful. He actually implied X would be afraid to schedule UCLA with Mick there. Hilarious, Mick would never agree to that. Cintas is a house of horrors for lil Mickey.

His radio spots about the Cronin hire were hilarious. He was acting like they were lucky to get mick. He’s an idiot

[xubrew]

He was an assistant under Huggins at UC....


Seriously, people are just throwing names out there and seeing what sticks

I agree. I know I could be wrong. But, (FWIW) I honestly think he is a serious candidate. I don't know WHY. I just think that he IS, and that I think both sides have been communicating. I didn't just throw this particular name out there.

[Lamont Sanford]

Mike DeCoursey is such a Cronin shill. It's gross. On twitter he is awful. He actually implied X would be afraid to schedule UCLA with Mick there. Hilarious, Mick would never agree to that. Cintas is a house of horrors for lil Mickey.

Amen brother. DeCoursey used to bring up UC and/or YTG any opportunity he has on the radio. He could be talking about global warming or Judge Kavanaugh and he'd still find the time to mention them. He sucks.

[Dblue]

Mike DeCoursey is such a Cronin shill. It's gross. On twitter he is awful. He actually implied X would be afraid to schedule UCLA with Mick there. Hilarious, Mick would never agree to that. Cintas is a house of horrors for lil Mickey.

Either way...I'm expecting to meet UCLA in the NCAA tourny within the next 3-4 years (probably his last game before he gets fired because of an embarrassing loss in the first weekend).

[XU 87]

UC can and should do better than that white trash bum.

How do you really feel about Cronin? And don't hold back on your opinions.

[XUGRAD80]

I agree. I know I could be wrong. But, (FWIW) I honestly think he is a serious candidate. I don't know WHY. I just think that he IS, and that I think both sides have been communicating. I didn't just throw this particular name out there.

I didn’t me YOU....I meant the media “experts”. They are looking for any connections that anyone might have with UC, or the area, and using those connections as a basis to put someone’s name out there as a candidate. In reality, hardly anyone knows who UC might actually be looking at or talking with.

[noteggs]

Martin seems like a non-starter per Twitter

Edit: just saw this on another thread sorry

[xubrew]

Yeah, it ain’t Martin.

Nothing to see here. Carry on.

[xuwin]

Andy Kennedy would be a good hire for UC.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Andy Kennedy would be a good hire for UC.

Lol, the DePaul coach hiring model. What could possibly go wrong?

Kennedy is not hatable enough anyway.

[xudash]

I really want them to get this really wrong. Tony Yates wrong.

I want the "rivalry" to be moribund after we go 10 - 0 over the next 10 years. By then, we would be about 4 or so years beyond that point which marked the death of UC's hopes for a P5 invite.

Other than that, good luck to UC.

[webxu]

If the AD wants to be loved he should just bring Huggins back.

Why would Huggins or Martin leave a P5 school for a mid-major...

[xavierj]

Brannen will be the next coach at UC.

[xubrew]

Brannen will be the next coach at UC.

Yup!

[Porkopolis]

I went to Marshall with Brannen so I'm happy for him. He is a really, really smart guy. I think he will be a tough opponent.

[XUGRAD80]

Base salary of 1.5 million and a 6 year contract. His base at NKU was 370K

Now THAT is going from a Buick to a Lexus.

Good for him.

[Masterofreality]

Question is whether Brannen can recruit at a high level- 4 & 5 star recruits. We already know that Travis can.

UC really doesn't have a "brand" or rep when it comes to recruits. Mickey Mouse did a pretty good job of tamping down any image of being a fun place to play and letting people knew what he was looking for. Brannen doesn't have any of that plus uc isn't in a Conference that is too recognized. There isn much pinoche playing in an arena in Memphis for your Conference Tournament before 6,000 people. The Borecats aren't on anybody's list of "high profile programs". We'll see what happens after the group that is at Clifton leaves...and they may leave sooner than later. Cumberland isn't a sure thing to come back and Curtis still may opt out.
Amazingly, Cronin only had 1- Curtis- signed LOI for this year. Anybody he or Savino were recruiting to uc- especially California resident Kenyon Martin, Jr. aint gonna consider uc now. The string back to uc's glory days with Thuggins through Kennedy to YTG is totally broken now. This is a whole new ballgame.
There's a lot of uncertainty flying around Clifton. This truly is the end of an era.
I know it's the end of an era for me. Other than Tony Yates and Ed Badger, who were putzes, from Gale Catlett, to Thuggins, to Kennedy to Cronin, their coaches were so hateable and punchable.

[Muskie in dayton]

I know it's the end of an era for me. Other than Tony Yates and Ed Badger, who were putzes, from Gale Catlett, to Thuggins, to Kennedy to Cronin, their coaches were so hateable and punchable.

Yes, they are getting harder and harder to hate. But while players and coaches come and go, they’ll always have their idiot fans. Hate game on.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Brannen already throwing shade calling UC "Cincinnati's basketball team". I dont think it will take us too long not to like him. Maybe not to the level of Mick, but all it takes is a slight or two in a Crosstown shootout press conference, or in you introductory press conference and the hate is on!

[surfxu]

Brannen already throwing shade calling UC "Cincinnati's basketball team". I dont think it will take us too long not to like him. Maybe not to the level of Mick, but all it takes is a slight or two in a Crosstown shootout press conference, or in you introductory press conference and the hate is on!

It's ON now... he can suck a bag of d!*ks.

[paulxu]

Wonder if he wants to fight JP?

[Xuperman]

Wonder if he wants to fight JP?

No, it will be ZFree....just give them a little time to get to know each other. :biggrin:

[noteggs]

No, it will be ZFree....just give them a little time to get to know each other. :biggrin:

Lol. Thought the same

[XU 87]

Brannen already throwing shade calling UC "Cincinnati's basketball team". I dont think it will take us too long not to like him. Maybe not to the level of Mick, but all it takes is a slight or two in a Crosstown shootout press conference, or in you introductory press conference and the hate is on!

Brannen is probably still mad about being turned down this time last year for the top basketball job in Cincinnati.

[Xuperman]

Will be interesting to see what Brannen has to work with in the fall. Disaster would be if Cumberland and/or Curtis ends up playing somewhere else. Both Jenifer and Broome are gone so Curtis will probably stick and meet little resistance in grabbing a starting spot. He might try to convince Tate or Walton to transfer to Clifton. Walton especially would be a good fit. Regardless of what happens, unless they can really ratchet up their recruiting, I see X going on a 4/5 year winning streak.

[bjf123]

Brannen is probably still mad about being turned down this time last year for the top basketball job in Cincinnati.

We’ll know in the next few years if X made the right call hiring Steele. I like our chances.


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[Bmuskie]

Brannen already throwing shade calling UC "Cincinnati's basketball team". I dont think it will take us too long not to like him. Maybe not to the level of Mick, but all it takes is a slight or two in a Crosstown shootout press conference, or in you introductory press conference and the hate is on!

I heard that too but I would have to say in response that the Musketeers are "Xavier University's Basketball Team". That is so much bigger than just a city. That means that they represent not just a city in the midwest but an entire culture and family of Xavier University Alumni, Students, Faculty, Staff and their family that extend not just throughout Cincinnati or Ohio but around the world. the Musketeers are so much bigger and embody something so much bigger than just Cincinnati's team..they are Xavier University's team.

[sirthought]

I heard that too but I would have to say in response that the Musketeers are "Xavier University's Basketball Team". That is so much bigger than just a city. That means that they represent not just a city in the midwest but an entire culture and family of Xavier University Alumni, Students, Faculty, Staff and their family that extend not just throughout Cincinnati or Ohio but around the world. the Musketeers are so much bigger and embody something so much bigger than just Cincinnati's team..they are Xavier University's team.

I wouldn't disagree with you. But I think Brannen is right. UC is Cincinnati's team. Bigger school. Lots of history. And just the fact of the name. Can't get around it. No sense in being upset about it. Doesn't really mean much.

[scoscox]

means nothing if we keep beating them. cronin said that all the time too and they had that stupid "we wear cincinnati" campaign as if that means anything. them having to declare this just tells me that they're insecure about it

[Juice]

means nothing if we keep beating them. cronin said that all the time too and they had that stupid "we wear cincinnati" campaign as if that means anything. them having to declare this just tells me that they're insecure about it

Their dumb shit fans have done it a lot recently too around the Shootout. Not to mention the "hottest college in America" slogan made up by Santa Claus Ono who was so impressed by UC that he fled for Canada or something.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I wouldn't disagree with you. But I think Brannen is right. UC is Cincinnati's team. Bigger school. Lots of history. And just the fact of the name. Can't get around it. No sense in being upset about it. Doesn't really mean much.

Right or wrong it was clearly a dig at Xavier. Which was probably smart on his part, definitely playing to his base.

It means a lot as we are trying to find reasons to dislike the new UC coach! Not liking their coach is a huge part of the rivalry imo.

[XUGRAD80]

Right or wrong it was clearly a dig at Xavier. Which was probably smart on his part, definitely playing to his base.

It means a lot as we are trying to find reasons to dislike the new UC coach! Not liking their coach is a huge part of the rivalry imo.

I didn’t hear it as a dig at Xavier at all. I only heard it as sucking up to his base and the media. What would people expect him to say different? A coach is going to have to say a lot more and do a lot more than that, in order to get me to start disliking him. Disliking the opposing coach, players, or fans is not needed in order for there to be a rivalry. I didn’t particularly like the comment, but in reality it’s true and I didn’t take it as a negative against X or any other university in the area.

Remember...”#1 in the country, #2 in the City”!

That’s all that matters.

[xubrew]

I wouldn't disagree with you. But I think Brannen is right. UC is Cincinnati's team. Bigger school. Lots of history. And just the fact of the name. Can't get around it. No sense in being upset about it. Doesn't really mean much.

I pretty much agree. Xavier fans and alumni root for Xavier, and the vast majority of those people aren't from Cincinnati and don't live in Cincinnati. There is certainly a presence in Cincinnati, but I wouldn't call us the city's team. Not only am I okay with that. I kind of like it that way. I kinda like beating Cincinnati's teams! I like beating Cleveland's teams too, and pretty much all of Ohio's teams with Ohio State being at the top of the list.

UC is Cincinnati's team. People who live in the city root for them even if they never had anything to do with the school as a student, employee, or whatever. And, to repeat myself, I'm fine with that. If anything it makes Xavier feel like it's a little more our own.

[paulxu]

With all those people who live in Cincinnati, went to UC, and root for the team, how is it that their average attendance is about 8,000....and little old Xavier, with most of its alumni out of town...averages 10,000+?

[scoscox]

With all those people who live in Cincinnati, went to UC, and root for the team, how is it that their average attendance is about 8,000....and little old Xavier, with most of its alumni out of town...averages 10,000+?

the fact that we've been outselling them for like 20 years straight is kinda crazy. we have great support, but uc only managing to get 8000 a night some years with a perennial tournament team is pathetic

[bjf123]

I think there are still a lot of UC fans who haven’t gotten over Huggs being let go.


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[XUGRAD80]

With all those people who live in Cincinnati, went to UC, and root for the team, how is it that their average attendance is about 8,000....and little old Xavier, with most of its alumni out of town...averages 10,000+?

Part of it was the competition UC played at home, especially their OOC home schedule. Just not all that attractive. Some of that is the season ticket base, because those tickets count for attendance even if people don’t actually use them, and some of it was dissatisfaction with Mick and the style of play. When they played their games also had something to do with it I think. They seemed to have quite a few home games on Sunday afternoons or late in the evening during the week.

One of the things the writers and radio personal like to say is that Xavier has 10,000 fans in the Cincinnati area and all of them go to every game. But UC has 100,000 fans in the Cincinnati area and only 1/10th ever see a game in person.

I have absolutely no doubt that UC has a MUCH larger fan base in the Cincinnati area than X does, and I have absolutely no problem with admitting it.

It’s like a car company used to say.....”We don’t want to be the biggest....just the best!”

[paulxu]

Part of it was the competition UC played at home, especially their OOC home schedule.

Wait! what about the P6???

[outsideobserver11]

Wait! what about the P6???

Basketball is P7, come on Paul keep up!! :laugh:

It will be interesting to see if cutting ties with Cronin brings the "Huggins loyalists" back out of the shadows.

[Seven Eighths]

With all those people who live in Cincinnati, went to UC, and root for the team, how is it that their average attendance is about 8,000....and little old Xavier, with most of its alumni out of town...averages 10,000+?

UC has a ton of fair weather fans. I never saw UC gear around town in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Then they go on one miracle Final 4 run when KU crapped themselves and every other house in local neighborhoods had a UC flag hanging.

A DUI for Huggy and a no personality hire in Cronin has not enticed them to return.

[xubrew]

With all those people who live in Cincinnati, went to UC, and root for the team, how is it that their average attendance is about 8,000....and little old Xavier, with most of its alumni out of town...averages 10,000+?

I have to laugh at this because based on the perception I have of Cincinnati sports fans it actually furthers my belief that UC is Cincinnati's team.

I don't know how to say this without sounding more condescending than I mean to sound, but Cincinnati fans strike me as amusingly lame. Everything has to be just right, or they'll invent reasons not to come out. The game started to late, the game started too early, it's a football school now, there are too many other things to do in the city like go to The Nutcracker (I'm not making that up. That was a stated reason why their attendance was so poor for a nationally televised basketball game a few years back), and I'm sure there are countless other reasons. Even when Huggins was there he complained about the fans. I still remember his "F.. 'em. Really, F...'em" comment that sent people through the roof (which was great! Because he was right!)

UC is objectively good. Not great, but very good. There aren't many basketball programs out there that have finished in the top 25 six out of the last eight years (or whatever it is), AND who have a football team that has also cracked the top 25 on more than one occasion. But, they have the lamest support, and when you ask why that is, you get the lamest reasons. Like, that The Nutcracker was in town. Even if you don't want to state that they are good, you gotta acknowledge that there are a lot of programs out there who are worse, but get much better support.

It's as if something other than the team has to draw people. They let themselves get drawn into the Bengals, and the Bengals are bad most of the time. It's as if the Bengals are repeatedly able to fool the fanbase.

And as for Xavier, it's sold out (or close to it) every game.

[paulxu]

UC is objectively good. Not great, but very good. There aren't many basketball programs out there that have finished in the top 25 six out of the last eight years (or whatever it is),

They remind me a little of the VCU/Wichita lightning in a bottle. Get one run and then ride the story for years.
UC went to an E8 in 1996.
In the succeeding 23 years, they made it out of the first weekend exactly twice, and not once back to the E8.

[xubrew]

They remind me a little of the VCU/Wichita lightning in a bottle. Get one run and then ride the story for years.
UC went to an E8 in 1996.
In the succeeding 23 years, they made it out of the first weekend exactly twice, and not once back to the E8.

That's a fair comparison. I would've said they reminded me of BYU (until they joined the WCC). Often in the rankings, never in the Sweet Sixteen. And that's another staple of Cincinnati teams (that aren't X). They're not very good at this whole postseason thing.

They reminded me of BYU without the fan support, of course.

[GoMuskies]

They remind me a little of the VCU/Wichita lightning in a bottle. Get one run and then ride the story for years.
UC went to an E8 in 1996.
In the succeeding 23 years, they made it out of the first weekend exactly twice, and not once back to the E8.

It's strange how committed you are to being wrong about Wichita State. But UC does kinda suck.

[paulxu]

It's strange how committed you are to being wrong about Wichita State. But UC does kinda suck.

It's one of a multitude of things I'm wrong about according to the lady in the other room.

I do subscribe to the lightning in a bottle theory, although Wichita St. had done much better than some of the others. (George Mason, etc.)
Their FF was in '13, and they have made it out of the first weekend once since then...which is once more than VCU.
That's probably due to the stability at head coach with Marshall staying put. He has a really good winning percentage.
Things a little tougher now that they are in the AAC.

[sirthought]

Man you guys that pulled out condescending comparisons like attending arts events over sports are what gives sports fans a bad name.

[GoMuskies]

I dug a bit after your post, and Wichita State is, I think, 169-47 in the six years since the Final Four. 15 of those losses were this year. They have 6 NCAA Tournament wins since '13 (Xavier, in probably its golden age, has 7 in the same timeframe). They haven't been back to the Final Four, of course, but it's strange to consider them a "lighting in a bottle" of a "flash in the pan". They've been pretty consistently excellent since '13. And like us, even in a down year they managed to make things pretty interesting down the stretch (won 15 of last 19 and reached NIT semis).

Maybe you just do it to annoy me. It works. :)

[GoMuskies]

Man you guys that pulled out condescending comparisons like attending arts events over sports are what gives sports fans a bad name.

Well, somehow Xavier fans manage to plan their cultural activities around Xavier basketball. Or do you think UC fans are just generally more cultured than Xavier fans?

[sirthought]

Well, somehow Xavier fans manage to plan their cultural activities around Xavier basketball. Or do you think UC fans are just generally more cultured than Xavier fans?

Don't know. Don't care. I just think it's poor form to bring up the one freetime activity as a bad choice over another. For all we know, it's could be blamed on Xbox or just ticket prices. I don't usually find a need to think about another program's number of fans in the seats.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think it's necessarily a value choice on what's a better free time activity. But if you're pretending to be a serious basketball program, you'd better have some fans that prioritize basketball as a free time activity!

By the way, how many does the Aronoff hold for the Nutcracker? Because UC has been 6 or 7 thousand short on a pretty consistent basis.

[xubrew]

Don't know. Don't care. I just think it's poor form to bring up the one freetime activity as a bad choice over another. For all we know, it's could be blamed on Xbox or just ticket prices. I don't usually find a need to think about another program's number of fans in the seats.

I'm not saying it's a bad choice. I'm saying it's an absurd explanation as to why their attendance isn't higher. I've heard multiple times that are too many other things going on in the city for people to care about UC basketball. I have never heard any other fanbase say that even if their team is in Dallas, or LA, or Seattle, or Austin, or Nashville, or any other city where there is as much or more to do than there is in Cincinnati. It is very unique to Cincinnati sports fans to think the reason their teams aren't more popular is because of all the other awesomeness in town. I'm not knocking the arts. I'm actually a huge supporter of the arts. I just find it ludicrous that someone actually suggested the reason the attendance was low at a specific basketball game was because of the arts. It WAS ludicrous, and it was very Cincinnati-sports-ish.

[sirthought]

I looked it up. Average attendance in 2018 for Big East was 10,371; AAC was 5,569. Big East was the fifth highest in college basketball. Overall D1 average was ~4,000, so UC at 8,000 is not great but way above average. I think the new facility will start to sway things, but I'd imagine their lack of an impressive schedule had way more impact on turnout. Fans want to see teams they think mean something to the bigger picture in sports.

[XU 87]

Man you guys that pulled out condescending comparisons like attending arts events over sports are what gives sports fans a bad name.

Anyone who chooses to go the Art Museum or the Opera over Xavier basketball should have their season tickets immediately revoked.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier used to play in an A-10 that was as bad as (and often worse than) the AAC. Xavier fans generally found a way to sneak in a game in between performances of La Boheme.

[sirthought]

Xavier used to play in an A-10 that was as bad as (and often worse than) the AAC. Xavier fans generally found a way to sneak in a game in between performances of La Boheme.

There you go comparing those two things...proves my point.

[GoMuskies]

There you go comparing those two things...proves my point.

I'm more making light of your point, to be honest. :)

I suspect it's not really a choice between the two for 99% of people 99% of the time.

[mid major]

That's a fair comparison. I would've said they reminded me of BYU (until they joined the WCC). Often in the rankings, never in the Sweet Sixteen. And that's another staple of Cincinnati teams (that aren't X). They're not very good at this whole postseason thing.

They reminded me of BYU without the fan support, of course.

Yes, but were they FUN to watch. :)

[paulxu]

Maybe you just do it to annoy me. It works. :)

No, it's just really an interest of mine. Larranaga and Smart left, and consistency suffered.
Marshall stayed. I count 5 wins for them since '13, but I may be missing a First Four.
In that vein, I'm surprised Moser didn't take SJU.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Xavier used to play in an A-10 that was as bad as (and often worse than) the AAC. Xavier fans generally found a way to sneak in a game in between performances of La Boheme.

I was going to say the same. XU was in the A10 and UC in the loaded BE at one point. So the schedule excuse or teams they play doesnt hold water with me.

I sort get where brew is going too. My favorite is anyone in Cincinnati complaining about traffic before/after a Cincinnati sporting event. It takes like 5 mins (ok maybe 10 at worst) to be on the highway after a Reds, Bengals, XU, UC game etc. I am from Cincinnati but am a fan of NY professional teams due to my dad. At Giants stadium it takes like 2 hours to get to the highway that is about 0.3 miles away.

There are a decent amount of XU fans who leave early regardless of the score. It is insane to me. It has become a running joke in our row.

[surfxu]

To be a season ticket holder for uc basketball do you still have to buy football? Maybe it's the other way around now... IDK. I too think it's pathetic they can't fill their arena, but they have had 2 major strikes against them that we've never experienced as Xavier supporters... X has always moved UP in conference affiliation. uc went from the #1/2 basketball conference in the country to the 7th. What would happen if the BE imploded (never gonna happen, I know) and X was forced to find refuge back in the A10 or MAC? My guess is there would be some fall out from an attendance standpoint. Second, they had a coach that was not a good ambassador at all. A lot of 'fans' really didn't like him at all and based on twitter the day he was announced at ucla many were down right elated he was gone finally. X has had really good coaches that were also pretty decent people and (at the time) cared about the fans and the program. There's never been an overwhelming sense at Xavier of "well, we're glad he's gone, now we can hire a real coach". Not defending those mouth breathing water heads in gansta's paradise but it's more of an appreciation how blessed we are at Xavier.

That being said, F YTG, F uc and Let's Go X!!

[sirthought]

To be a season ticket holder for uc basketball do you still have to buy football? Maybe it's the other way around now... IDK. I too think it's pathetic they can't fill their arena, but they have had 2 major strikes against them that we've never experienced as Xavier supporters... X has always moved UP in conference affiliation. uc went from the #1/2 basketball conference in the country to the 7th. What would happen if the BE imploded (never gonna happen, I know) and X was forced to find refuge back in the A10 or MAC? My guess is there would be some fall out from an attendance standpoint. Second, they had a coach that was not a good ambassador at all. A lot of 'fans' really didn't like him at all and based on twitter the day he was announced at ucla many were down right elated he was gone finally. X has had really good coaches that were also pretty decent people and (at the time) cared about the fans and the program. There's never been an overwhelming sense at Xavier of "well, we're glad he's gone, now we can hire a real coach". Not defending those mouth breathing water heads in gansta's paradise but it's more of an appreciation how blessed we are at Xavier.

That being said, F YTG, F uc and Let's Go X!!

That season ticket policy hasn't been in place at UC since they went into the Big East.

I think you'd be surprised at how many X fans were in the same camp as far as relieved when their coach left. But X has so fewer students and alums, the pool of people who care is a lot smaller.

[Masterofreality]

To be a season ticket holder for uc basketball do you still have to buy football? Maybe it's the other way around now... IDK. I too think it's pathetic they can't fill their arena, but they have had 2 major strikes against them that we've never experienced as Xavier supporters... X has always moved UP in conference affiliation. uc went from the #1/2 basketball conference in the country to the 7th. What would happen if the BE imploded (never gonna happen, I know) and X was forced to find refuge back in the A10 or MAC? My guess is there would be some fall out from an attendance standpoint. Second, they had a coach that was not a good ambassador at all. A lot of 'fans' really didn't like him at all and based on twitter the day he was announced at ucla many were down right elated he was gone finally. X has had really good coaches that were also pretty decent people and (at the time) cared about the fans and the program. There's never been an overwhelming sense at Xavier of "well, we're glad he's gone, now we can hire a real coach". Not defending those mouth breathing water heads in gansta's paradise but it's more of an appreciation how blessed we are at Xavier.

That being said, F YTG, F uc and Let's Go X!!

Never forget, although Mickey is gone that SurfXu is the genius that glossed the midget with the "Yellow Toothed Gnome" label.
It will live forever. Well done.

[scoscox]

To be a season ticket holder for uc basketball do you still have to buy football? Maybe it's the other way around now... IDK. I too think it's pathetic they can't fill their arena, but they have had 2 major strikes against them that we've never experienced as Xavier supporters... X has always moved UP in conference affiliation. uc went from the #1/2 basketball conference in the country to the 7th. What would happen if the BE imploded (never gonna happen, I know) and X was forced to find refuge back in the A10 or MAC? My guess is there would be some fall out from an attendance standpoint. Second, they had a coach that was not a good ambassador at all. A lot of 'fans' really didn't like him at all and based on twitter the day he was announced at ucla many were down right elated he was gone finally. X has had really good coaches that were also pretty decent people and (at the time) cared about the fans and the program. There's never been an overwhelming sense at Xavier of "well, we're glad he's gone, now we can hire a real coach". Not defending those mouth breathing water heads in gansta's paradise but it's more of an appreciation how blessed we are at Xavier.

That being said, F YTG, F uc and Let's Go X!!

they were having those attendance problems when they were in the big east as well. no argument on the cronin angle. i'm sure that was a factor

[Masterofreality]

Nysier Brooks has entered his name into the Transfer Portal.

And so it begins....(Sits quietly with popcorn in hand awaiting Samari's transfer announcement and Cumberland's NBA Draft announcement).

[Muskie]

Here is the LA Times assessment of the hire (link (https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mick-cronin-coaching-search-20190429-story.html)). Apparently they tried to hire Jay Wright.

[94GRAD]

Here is the LA Times assessment of the hire (link (https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mick-cronin-coaching-search-20190429-story.html)). Apparently they tried to hire anyone else.

Fixed that for you.

[novachap]

Fixed that for you.


too funny.... must be nice to turn down a 2x salary offer... or the gig is such a dumpster fire that there is no way.

[XU 87]

too funny.... must be nice to turn down a 2x salary offer... or the gig is such a dumpster fire that there is no way.

I think UCLA thinks they are still in the Wooden years of the 60's and 70's. Anything less than a national championship in the coach's first few years, and they will want to fire him. Ben Howland went to the three straight final fours, and they still fired him a few years later. Howland even won the Pac 10 and an NCAA game in his last year.

[GoMuskies]

It was 5 years later, they missed the NCAA Tournament completely in 2 of those years, and they actually didn't win an NCAA Tournament his last year. They were a mess, and he needed to go by the time he was canned. Now, hiring Alford wasn't the right way to replace him....

[XU 87]

It was 5 years later, they missed the NCAA Tournament completely in 2 of those years, and they actually didn't win an NCAA Tournament his last year. They were a mess, and he needed to go by the time he was canned. Now, hiring Alford wasn't the right way to replace him....

You're right- while he won the Pac 12, they lost in the NCAA first round (they lost their second leading scorer to an injury in the finals of the Pac 12 tourney). Pretty high standards when you win a Big 6 conference and still get canned. I also think he had the number one recruiting class in the country the year before he was fired.

And for as much grief as Alford gets, in 5 full seasons there, he went to the NCAA's 4 times and went to three Sweet 16's.

In light of all the coaches who just turned them down, and in light of the coach they finally did hire, it appears to me that the UCLA job is simply not an elite job.

[xavierj]

Mick will win at UCLA I mean he took over a dumpster fire and went to the NCAA tourney 9 straight years. He is a douche but I think he can coach.

[Muskie in dayton]

Mick will win at UCLA I mean he took over a dumpster fire and went to the NCAA tourney 9 straight years. He is a douche but I think he can coach.

No, I think you’re confusing him with Chris Mack. Cronin is just a douche.

[XU 87]

Mick will win at UCLA I mean he took over a dumpster fire and went to the NCAA tourney 9 straight years. He is a douche but I think he can coach.

He won. He just didn’t win when it counted the most.

[UCGRAD4X]

He won. He just didn’t win when it counted the most.

Right. I don't think just "going to the tournament" should be the measure of success at a P5 school and will certainly not do at UCLA.

[bleedXblue]

I dont think Cronin will winbig b/c hes gonna have a harder time recruiting top level kids to UCLA b/c he isn't a big name and his style of play is boring. We shall see.

[klark]

This comment got me in the article: Cronin was also near the top of UCLA’s list and harbored such strong interest in the job that he agreed to go on standby as the school pursued other coaches.

We want you as a coach but would rather have these 10 guys over here so please stand there and wait until we run out of options. I have always disliked Mick and this in my mind makes him look even more pathetic.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Wonder what make him so eager to leave UC?

[sirthought]

Wonder what make him so eager to leave UC?

You can not describe it as eager after working there for 13 seasons. I've certainly never worked anywhere that long and I've had some jobs that I thought were great.

The step up from UC to UCLA isn't hard to see. The California climate alone might have been something to look forward to, but it more likely hinges on an easier time of UCLA just being met by players, other schools, and media with a higher degree of esteem. UC is no slouch in the basketball world, but I can state with confidence that UCLA and their conference affiliation can get him a schedule he's more interested in selling to recruits, a media package he can sell better to recruits, and just the idea that he's not having to work through the bulk of his conference season having to play schools like Tulane and South Florida year after year.

Even if he does get fired by the end of his first contract, it'll be an incredible professional experience to have been given an opportunity to coach at a program with the history of UCLA...yes, even if it wasn't what it use to be. He'll be fired, but still very wealthy, and he can say he had his shot to work with kids and do something big.

UC can offer a coach that same kind of opportunity in many areas, but not the same, and after 13 seasons I can see him relishing to try something new.

[bleedXblue]

You can not describe it as eager after working there for 13 seasons. I've certainly never worked anywhere that long and I've had some jobs that I thought were great.

The step up from UC to UCLA isn't hard to see. The California climate alone might have been something to look forward to, but it more likely hinges on an easier time of UCLA just being met by players, other schools, and media with a higher degree of esteem. UC is no slouch in the basketball world, but I can state with confidence that UCLA and their conference affiliation can get him a schedule he's more interested in selling to recruits, a media package he can sell better to recruits, and just the idea that he's not having to work through the bulk of his conference season having to play schools like Tulane and South Florida year after year.

Even if he does get fired by the end of his first contract, it'll be an incredible professional experience to have been given an opportunity to coach at a program with the history of UCLA...yes, even if it wasn't what it use to be. He'll be fired, but still very wealthy, and he can say he had his shot to work with kids and do something big.

UC can offer a coach that same kind of opportunity in many areas, but not the same, and after 13 seasons I can see him relishing to try something new.

he had lunch the other day with Kareem Abdul Jabbar........I mean thats pretty strong

[muskiefan82]

Right. I don't think just "going to the tournament" should be the measure of success at a P5 school and will certainly not do at UCLA.

Said no one at Northwestern ever.

[GoMuskies]

he had lunch the other day with Kareem Abdul Jabbar........I mean thats pretty strong

I'd like to see the photos of that. Does he even make it up to Kareem's waist?

[bleedXblue]

I'd like to see the photos of that. Does he even make it up to Kareem's waist?

https://247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/UCLA-Basketball-Perks-of-the-Job-Mick-Cronin-131216240/

Ask and you shall receive

[bleedXblue]

So if Jabbar is still 7'0 tall this puts Mick at least a foot and a half shorter than him. Yes, he is a munchkin

[GoMuskies]

"UCLA Coach Mick Cronin". That is something that I will never stop shaking my head about when I see it in print!

[American X]

I'd like to see the photos of that. Does he even make it up to Kareem's waist?


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[94GRAD]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-27-2014/SQnXbV.gif

Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like Samari Curtis back on the market. Should have stuck with X.

[bjf123]

Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

Do you like gladiator movies?


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[Lloyd Braun]

Looks like Samari Curtis back on the market. Should have stuck with X.

Kyky better

[scoscox]

kyky is honestly much better. i was more than fine with that trade-off

[bleedXblue]

kyky is honestly much better. i was more than fine with that trade-off

agreed he brings so much more!!!

[Masterofreality]

kyky is honestly much better. i was more than fine with that trade-off

Samari saw how KyKy ripped him a new one in the All Star game and decided to take his talents elsewhere.

[PURPLE REIGN]

Samari is a great player.

I get a significant amount of joy knowing that UC fans who mocked/celebrated when he switched from X to UC, are now miserable.

[Muskie]

Because some of you will find this of interest (Link (https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/14/uclas-fragile-footing-poor-academic-scores-push-bruins-to-brink-of-postseason-ban/))

[xudash]

Because some of you will find this of interest (Link (https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/14/uclas-fragile-footing-poor-academic-scores-push-bruins-to-brink-of-postseason-ban/))

A built-in excuse for the YTG. LA lifestyle, weather and low humidity with at least initially perceived obstacles for which he'll receive a hall pass should things turn further south with the APR scores.

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like the BE is safe:

Villanova 1000
Seton Hall 990
Providence 984
Butler 984
Creighton 971
Xavier 967
Depaul 959
Georgetown 957
Marquette 955
St. Johns 947

[xukeith]

Because some of you will find this of interest (Link (https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/14/uclas-fragile-footing-poor-academic-scores-push-bruins-to-brink-of-postseason-ban/))

I bet the UCLA admins knew how bad they were. They turned their heads/eyes. Idiots.

[X-band '01]

Jamie Dixon and Rick Barnes probably found out during the interview process - I'm sure they would have been thrilled to coach with potential APR bans looming over UCLA. Their 2019 score has to be 928 or better to avoid a ban for the 2020-21 season.

[GoMuskies]

I'd say the chances of UCLA taking an APR postseason ban are approximately nil. The NCAA will change the rule before they ban UCLA from the NCAA Tournament over academics.

[X-band '01]

2013 UConn begs to differ.

[GIMMFD]

Jamie Dixon and Rick Barnes probably found out during the interview process - I'm sure they would have been thrilled to coach with potential APR bans looming over UCLA. Their 2019 score has to be 928 or better to avoid a ban for the 2020-21 season.

Well that and they didn't wanna pay P5 money buy-outs to P5 coaches as well. UCLA's administration is an absolute dump, and it blows my mind because that is a top-tier academic school, LOCATED IN FREAKING LA. Surprised they were even able to get Chip Kelly on board after watching this basketball crap come out.

[outsideobserver11]

The article that came out in The Athletic yesterday was interesting as well. the writer got a hold of emails between Cronin and Bohn about contract negotiations and paints Cronin in a much worse light then he was already in. He was offered an incentive based deal that would have paid him 3.1 million had he just made the sweet 16 and he said no. Even the biggest of Cronin loyalists are turning on him now.

[XU 87]

Even the biggest of Cronin loyalists are turning on him now.

Do you know both of their names?

[drudy23]

Well that and they didn't wanna pay P5 money buy-outs to P5 coaches as well. UCLA's administration is an absolute dump, and it blows my mind because that is a top-tier academic school, LOCATED IN FREAKING LA. Surprised they were even able to get Chip Kelly on board after watching this basketball crap come out.

A

[drudy23]

The article that came out in The Athletic yesterday was interesting as well. the writer got a hold of emails between Cronin and Bohn about contract negotiations and paints Cronin in a much worse light then he was already in. He was offered an incentive based deal that would have paid him 3.1 million had he just made the sweet 16 and he said no. Even the biggest of Cronin loyalists are turning on him now.

I'm the furthest thing from a Cronin apologist, but why would he take a contract laced with what-ifs knowing he could eventually get what he wanted in simply salary somewhere else? We all would have said no too.

[Juice]

Jamie Dixon and Rick Barnes probably found out during the interview process - I'm sure they would have been thrilled to coach with potential APR bans looming over UCLA. Their 2019 score has to be 928 or better to avoid a ban for the 2020-21 season.

Both wanted that job. Dixon couldn't get TCU to drop the buyout/UCLA wouldn't pay it and Barnes asked for too much money and then told UCLA he'd take their original offer. He was turned down then.

[paulxu]

Los Angeles basketball seems to be a mess all around.

[JTG]

Do you know both of their names?

Mom & Dad

[GIMMFD]

The article that came out in The Athletic yesterday was interesting as well. the writer got a hold of emails between Cronin and Bohn about contract negotiations and paints Cronin in a much worse light then he was already in. He was offered an incentive based deal that would have paid him 3.1 million had he just made the sweet 16 and he said no. Even the biggest of Cronin loyalists are turning on him now.

Yeah, I just subscribed to The Athletic using my med school email for the discount and to be honest it's well worth it, the quality of the writing is miles above anywhere else I browse when pretending not to pay attention in class, and like you said that article was fair because it was just the emails sent out. Kind of insane that you can ask a public institution to release emails to you though.

[xukeith]

Yeah, I just subscribed to The Athletic using my med school email for the discount and to be honest it's well worth it, the quality of the writing is miles above anywhere else I browse when pretending not to pay attention in class, and like you said that article was fair because it was just the emails sent out. Kind of insane that you can ask a public institution to release emails to you though.


X being a private school and in BE, I think would start Steele at $1.0 - $1.8 million.

Any thoughts?

[GIMMFD]

X being a private school and in BE, I think would start Steele at $1.0 - $1.8 million.

Any thoughts?

To be honest, I'm not good with the salary guessing game, or really financial stuff (this is why I chose science hahah) but looking up other salaries looks like:
Kevin Williard - Seton Hall - $1.8mil
Greg McDermott - Creighton $1.5mil

So for comparisons sake, I could definitely see it in the range, I also don't know how much of a profit we turn, athletics are weird.

[outsideobserver11]

Yeah, I just subscribed to The Athletic using my med school email for the discount and to be honest it's well worth it, the quality of the writing is miles above anywhere else I browse when pretending not to pay attention in class, and like you said that article was fair because it was just the emails sent out. Kind of insane that you can ask a public institution to release emails to you though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the athletic department willingly gave the emails after the Cronin clan tried to throw UC under the bus with a bunch of untruthful statements about UC not trying to keep him or offering "an effective paycut" whatever that means. Mike Bohn more or less said, go win and March and you'll make more money. I guess Mick knew he couldn't win in March.

[xukeith]

To be honest, I'm not good with the salary guessing game, or really financial stuff (this is why I chose science hahah) but looking up other salaries looks like:
Kevin Williard - Seton Hall - $1.8mil
Greg McDermott - Creighton $1.5mil

So for comparisons sake, I could definitely see it in the range, I also don't know how much of a profit we turn, athletics are weird.
at X
If that is true, I would speculate a brand new inexperienced coach to get $850K-$900K.

X is ranked well in basketball Forbes rankings.

Who knows.....

[kellernr]

at X
If that is true, I would speculate a brand new inexperienced coach to get $850K-$900K.

X is ranked well in basketball Forbes rankings.

Who knows.....Steele is making something in the 7 figure range. If not he will jump ship after a few successful seasons and its next man up. Xavier needs to be able to at least match what the rest of the conference pays their coaches and match or better what UC pays. If not we will continue to have a revolving door here. Mack only stayed as long as he did because he went here and was from the area.

Hell, depauls coach is guaranteed at least a mil per year

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[GIMMFD]

Steele is making something in the 7 figure range. If not he will jump ship after a few successful seasons and its next man up. Xavier needs to be able to at least match what the rest of the conference pays their coaches and match or better what UC pays. If not we will continue to have a revolving door here. Mack only stayed as long as he did because he went here and was from the area.

Hell, depauls coach is guaranteed at least a mil per year

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Yeah, I agree, 70 coaches (out of who reported to USA Today) are getting paid 7 figures a year to coach, meaning that's not counting the private schools that don't have to disclose salary. I'd have to think Steele was making a million at least, due to Xavier's position as a top school in a top conference. Even with him having no prior head coaching experience, I couldn't see where X wouldn't be paying a decent amount for him. I'd like to think Steele will be here for a while, but you're right, we'll have to pay a competitive salary, give him raises as he earns them, this recruiting class looks good, and Steele grew as a coach throughout the year, so we'll see what happens moving forward with the teams, I sure as hell would love for Steele to get paid big time, because that means he's succeeding.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, I agree, 70 coaches (out of who reported to USA Today) are getting paid 7 figures a year to coach, meaning that's not counting the private schools that don't have to disclose salary. I'd have to think Steele was making a million at least, due to Xavier's position as a top school in a top conference. Even with him having no prior head coaching experience, I couldn't see where X wouldn't be paying a decent amount for him. I'd like to think Steele will be here for a while, but you're right, we'll have to pay a competitive salary, give him raises as he earns them, this recruiting class looks good, and Steele grew as a coach throughout the year, so we'll see what happens moving forward with the teams, I sure as hell would love for Steele to get paid big time, because that means he's succeeding.

The second sentence. #Correct

[Final4]

Steele is making something in the 7 figure range. If not he will jump ship after a few successful seasons and its next man up.

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I am hopeful that his wife and in-laws serve as an "anchor" to Cincinnati and consequently going elsewhere never appears as an attractive option. Certainly doesn't need to move on for financial reasons. Having said that, this is obviously conditional on him being successful here and someone we would like to see continue on as HC.

[kellernr]

I am hopeful that his wife and in-laws serve as an "anchor" to Cincinnati and consequently going elsewhere never appears as an attractive option. Certainly doesn't need to move on for financial reasons. Having said that, this is obviously conditional on him being successful here and someone we would like to see continue on as HC.

I hope he stays at X for awhile. Its not like our former coaches left for some low level basketball schools. They left for OSU, UofL and Arizona. Those 3 schools would be hard to turn down for any coach out there.

[xudash]

I am hopeful that his wife and in-laws serve as an "anchor" to Cincinnati and consequently going elsewhere never appears as an attractive option. Certainly doesn't need to move on for financial reasons. Having said that, this is obviously conditional on him being successful here and someone we would like to see continue on as HC.

That's the part I'm banking on now.

[xubrew]

I'd say the chances of UCLA taking an APR postseason ban are approximately nil. The NCAA will change the rule before they ban UCLA from the NCAA Tournament over academics.

I don't think the NCAA will change the rules, but I agree that it is approximately nil. The first year of being below a 930 is usually just a reduction in weekly practice time. They're not even to the point of ia postseason ban yet. And since this was largely due to the players who got arrested in China and left the team, I think it's safe to say that the reason they're on the fringe is because of something that doesn't normally happen.

It was an opportunity to write something that made people stop and stare. The chances of it actually getting to the point of a postseason ban are rather remote.

[scoscox]

https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1131898503590862848

man if you didn't think mick was extremely rattled about playing at xavier before, he pretty much confirms it here

[GoMuskies]

https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1131898503590862848

man if you didn't think mick was extremely rattled about playing at xavier before, he pretty much confirms it here

What the fuck is he doing there?!? Holy shit. And those guys basically said that getting Mick Cronin killed was fine. Also, I'm pretty sure it IS everyday that Mick Cronin gets told to fuck off. That's bizarre.

[XU 87]

https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1131898503590862848

man if you didn't think mick was extremely rattled about playing at xavier before, he pretty much confirms it here

The game was too big for Mick, and as we have seen, he couldn't control himself during or after the game. Even UC people I knew said as much.

And what a great response:

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1131944192475783169

[scoscox]

dude couldn't even say the word xavier he's so traumatized. really sad stuff

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Yeah, man, dude is such a loser making $4 million per year and coaching at an iconic, and Top 10, program. What a clown, am I right?

Message boards are so fun.

So in summary over the last 7 months on this board: Mack sucked and was over-rated, Steele is awesome, and Mick is a clown / loser. Am I keeping up with the general tone of the board accurately enough?

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, man, dude is such a loser

Yup

[BMoreX]

And just to pile on with JP's response: https://twitter.com/jpmacura/status/1131961359489544199

[Juice]

And just to pile on with JP's response: https://twitter.com/jpmacura/status/1131961359489544199

JP Macura is half of Mick's age and has handled all of whatever this was/is so much better than Mick. It's hilarious how poorly Mick puts himself out there on a regular basis.

[throwbackmuskie]

Yeah, man, dude is such a loser making $4 million per year and coaching at an iconic, and Top 10, program. What a clown, am I right?

Message boards are so fun.

So in summary over the last 7 months on this board: Mack sucked and was over-rated, Steele is awesome, and Mick is a clown / loser. Am I keeping up with the general tone of the board accurately enough?

Nice attempt at trolling....

[scoscox]

Yeah, man, dude is such a loser making $4 million per year and coaching at an iconic, and Top 10, program. What a clown, am I right?

Message boards are so fun.

So in summary over the last 7 months on this board: Mack sucked and was over-rated, Steele is awesome, and Mick is a clown / loser. Am I keeping up with the general tone of the board accurately enough?

mick is that you?

[Xavgrad08]

What was up with Mick’s weird laugh? Sounded like the laugh of a Bond villain.

[xeus]

Yeah, man, dude is such a loser making $4 million per year and coaching at an iconic, and Top 10, program. What a clown, am I right?

Message boards are so fun.

So in summary over the last 7 months on this board: Mack sucked and was over-rated, Steele is awesome, and Mick is a clown / loser. Am I keeping up with the general tone of the board accurately enough?

Have you heard that message boards aren't mandatory? You can spend your time elsewhere if this website gets your panties twisted.

And yes, Mick is a clown / loser. If you think the amount of his salary or his current employer is enough to negate his long history of douchebaggery, well, that's your call. I stand with JP on this matter.

[noteggs]

Hilarious video. Looked like Mick had to slide down the seat just so his feet could touch the floor.

[GIMMFD]

Hilarious video. Looked like Mick had to slide down the seat just so his feet could touch the floor.

The PMT guys are actually pretty great, they had a pretty funny interview with Sean McVey the other day, as for Cronin, he knows he A. can't win at Cintas, B. is Xavier to terrorize him even at a new school. The disdain Cronin has for Xavier is pretty great, I also genuinely loved that someone asked Steele in the Athletic how he feels about Brannen being the new head coach of UC, and his response was basically "I have genuine respect for him, but I still don't like UC and that will never change."

[paulxu]

Jeez, I must be really old.
You're making $4million/year and the best you can do is a squashed interview in what looks like the back of a minivan?

[Juice]

Jeez, I must be really old.
You're making $4million/year and the best you can do is a squashed interview in what looks like the back of a minivan?

That's Nick VAN Exel to you.

Andy Dalton was a guest two years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCwmlUtjVY

[chico]

The game was too big for Mick, and as we have seen, he couldn't control himself during or after the game. Even UC people I knew said as much.

And what a great response:

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1131944192475783169

A lot of things are too big for Mick, like chairs, roller coasters, adult clothing - you get the idea.

[GIMMFD]

Jeez, I must be really old.
You're making $4million/year and the best you can do is a squashed interview in what looks like the back of a minivan?

It's the Pardon My Take guys "schtick," they are Barstool Sports guys, and used to have a contract with ESPN that lasted exactly... one day before cancelled haha.

[Xuperman]

https://www.fox19.com/2019/05/27/ucs-cumberland-return-senior-season/

Bearcats have been taken off life support.....expect his cousin to announce he’s transferring to Clifton.

[Lamont Sanford]

https://www.fox19.com/2019/05/27/ucs-cumberland-return-senior-season/

Bearcats have been taken off life support.....expect his cousin to announce he’s transferring to Clifton.

Shit. Was really hoping that the BWS transfer they got from NKU was going to be the best news they'd get in the offseason.