Travis interview with Gottlieb

[BlueX]

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1-the-doug-gottlieb-show-28117179/episode/all-ball-dougs-sweet-16-30747398/

[bleedXblue]

I dislike Gottleib so much I refuse to listen......

[LOLmickcronin]

He definitely comes off as smug and arrogant. But he seems to actually know a lot about a lot of college basketball teams. By which I mean other than most of the so called experts that are really just duke/unc/U.K. experts it seems like gottlieb a lot of times knows even the bottom end of rosters on teams like xavier and you can tell has actuall watched other games besides dukes schedule.

[atljar]

Starts at 9:50

[noteggs]

I dislike Gottleib so much I refuse to listen......

Felt the same, but darn good interview. Talks a lot about Steele’s coaching history and philosophy. Definitely worth the listen. Audio is not the best.

[XUBison]

He definitely comes off as smug and arrogant. But he seems to actually know a lot about a lot of college basketball teams. By which I mean other than most of the so called experts that are really just duke/unc/U.K. experts it seems like gottlieb a lot of times knows even the bottom end of rosters on teams like xavier and you can tell has actuall watched other games besides dukes schedule.

Yep. He’s a real college hoops junky, and at least he’s got personality. Can’t say that about most of the talking heads. I know he can be more than a bit obnoxious, but I can’t help it... I kindA like the guy.

[xukeith]

Good interview. Doug knows X and all basketball concepts. He talks way too much and tells HIS stories as opposed to ask and let the guest speak.

I learned a lot about coaching and the type of players that all colleges are competing for.

[JTG]

Good interview. Doug knows X and all basketball concepts. He talks way too much and tells HIS stories as opposed to ask and let the guest speak.

I learned a lot about coaching and the type of players that all colleges are competing for.

I liked the interview. Doug knows his stuff and knows X. Not some mindless goof like Greenberg. Thought the interview was good. Travis needs a new phone though, his audio was awful. Lots of info about Travis. I live pretty close to Danville, where he is from, and I can't figure out that accent of his. I guess it comes from hanging around college bball players. Kind of Southern hipster. I guess it work well, from the recruits coming in.

[XUGRAD80]

That was enjoyable. I love listening to them talk strategy and personal. At the end Steele is asked about attending the F4, and says that he has no plans to attend UNTIL he takes X there. Love that attitude!


The audio was bad....I thought maybe it was just my reception. Glad it’s not.

[fellahmuskie]

I liked the interview. Doug knows his stuff and knows X. Not some mindless goof like Greenberg. Thought the interview was good. Travis needs a new phone though, his audio was awful. Lots of info about Travis. I live pretty close to Danville, where he is from, and I can't figure out that accent of his. I guess it comes from hanging around college bball players. Kind of Southern hipster. I guess it work well, from the recruits coming in.

Maybe it's just me, but Travis sounds like a carbon copy of Mack when he talks.

[sirthought]

Maybe it's just me, but Travis sounds like a carbon copy of Mack when he talks.

I think he speaks with a pace and phrasing that's very similar to both Mack and Miller.




This podcast makes me chuckle only because they spend 30 minutes talking about his coaching stops and he basically sells the ability of each coach so well that I could see players wanting to go to those other schools.

[scoscox]

Maybe it's just me, but Travis sounds like a carbon copy of Mack when he talks.

They could not be more different. travis reminds me a little bit of sean

[XUGRAD80]

Maybe it's just me, but Travis sounds like a carbon copy of Mack when he talks.

I didn’t /haven’t heard that at all.

[X Factor]

They could not be more different. travis reminds me a little bit of sean

Definitely sounds more like Sean

[OTRMUSKIE]

Maybe it's just me, but Travis sounds like a carbon copy of Mack when he talks.

Did you hear I am a bitch and my wife’s family is from Louisville in his voice? Fuck Mack!!! I respect Beak sooo much more then that pale ass monster

[Xavier]

Did you hear I am a bitch and my wife’s family is from Louisville in his voice? Fuck Mack!!! I respect Beak sooo much more then that pale ass monster

Yeah, Can't freaking stand Mack. Taking Xavier to new heights, winning the Big East and putting together two of Xaviers top 4/5 teams of all time. What a clown!

[paulxu]

Here's a good Travis interview with Shannon if you get the Athletic:

https://theathletic.com/898261/2019/04/01/travis-steele-reflects-on-lessons-learned-in-first-year-at-xavier-helm/


We had to make some adjustments offensively because Zach and Tyrique can’t really shoot outside of five feet. Hah!

Talks about using Welage, and how to play both Jones/Hankins at the same time.

Not sure about using a Dabo quote though. Should have found one from Spurrier.

[IM4X]

Good interview. Doug knows X and all basketball concepts. He talks way too much and tells HIS stories as opposed to ask and let the guest speak.

Gottlieb does seem to like to hear himself talk. Maybe there’s even a bit of an agenda to show he understands how to coach and recruit like other up and coming D1 coaches.

Still, I appreciate him getting Steele to talk indepth as opposed to the typical shorter interviews one normally gives with little new information divulged.

[sirthought]

He does get a bit too long winded here and off the topic of Steele and X, but I think it's his way of breaking down the standard 'present your talking points' interaction and showing that they both came up through a similar learning of the sport.

[xukeith]

They could not be more different. travis reminds me a little bit of sean

Agree.

Mack sounded cocky and witty often when he spoke.


Miller's sound was similar to Travis.

Travis says, "We played a really great opponent tonight...." a little TOO much but that is okay if X wins wins wins.

[X-Expert]

Yeah, Can't freaking stand Mack. Taking Xavier to new heights, winning the Big East and putting together two of Xaviers top 4/5 teams of all time. What a clown!
I don’t dislike Mack for his accomplishments I don’t like him for disrespecting X on his way out. His comments to a couple recruits that were also co sideriseing X was that “he took a mediocre team and took them to a new level.” Mack got to X waking up on 3rd base with Jordan Crawford being put in his lap as well as Tu -thanks kelvin sampson. He must have forgotten that matta and miller took X to elite 8. Yes Mack was a 1 and 2 seed only to pull a Cronin and get bounced I. First weekend. He did well for X but from a tourney standpoint took them as far as matta and miller.

[fellahmuskie]

I don't know mean what Travis says, just how his voice sounds. That said, it's been a while since I heard Mack talk, so I could be off. As far as content, totally agree that he's very different from Mack.

[XfansinKy]

I don’t dislike Mack for his accomplishments I don’t like him for disrespecting X on his way out. His comments to a couple recruits that were also co sideriseing X was that “he took a mediocre team and took them to a new level.” Mack got to X waking up on 3rd base with Jordan Crawford being put in his lap as well as Tu -thanks kelvin sampson. He must have forgotten that matta and miller took X to elite 8. Yes Mack was a 1 and 2 seed only to pull a Cronin and get bounced I. First weekend. He did well for X but from a tourney standpoint took them as far as matta and miller.

You are telling truths. I like the coach we got now. I'm hoping we have good enough players though.

[IM4X]

I don’t dislike Mack for his accomplishments I don’t like him for disrespecting X on his way out. His comments to a couple recruits that were also co sideriseing X was that “he took a mediocre team and took them to a new level.” Mack got to X waking up on 3rd base with Jordan Crawford being put in his lap as well as Tu -thanks kelvin sampson. He must have forgotten that matta and miller took X to elite 8. Yes Mack was a 1 and 2 seed only to pull a Cronin and get bounced I. First weekend. He did well for X but from a tourney standpoint took them as far as matta and miller.

You make some valid points.

I would love to move on from all the talk about Mack. I will not put the guy on a pedestal, especially after the way he exited.

I don’t mind that he left for the money.
I don’t mind if he left becasue he felt he personally couldn’t get X to a Final Four.

What I mind is that he puts it out there to the public that he couldn’t recruit the players he wanted at X (like it was all about X and not him).
What I mind is that he makes himself look like he took a nothing program and put them on the map.

Brad Stevens never pulled that crap at Butler, but then he didn’t have to (he made it to two Final Fours with arguably less talent than Mack had).

Mack deserves credit for his team’s accomplishments at X (including the BE regular season title) and criticism for the way he handled his exit with the press (and maybe even for not getting further than one win in the NCAA Tournament his last year with a very talented #1 seed team).

[scoscox]

I don't know mean what Travis says, just how his voice sounds. That said, it's been a while since I heard Mack talk, so I could be off. As far as content, totally agree that he's very different from Mack.

I don't think their voice really sounds very similar either

[scoscox]

You make some valid points.

I am ready to move on from all the talk about Mack. I would be fine with him moving on and would have no hard feelings but he did a some things when he left that rubbed me the wrong way. Things that should have rubbed every person wanting the best for X the wrong way.

I don’t mind that he left for the money.
I don’t mind if he left becasue he felt he personally felt he couldn’t get X to a final four.

What I mind is that he puts it out there to the public that he couldn’t recruit the players he wanted at X (like it was all about X and not him).
What I mind is that he makes himself look like he took a nothing program and put them on the map.

Brad Stevens never pulled that crap at Butler, but then he didn’t have to (he made it to two Final Fours with arguably less talent than Mack had).

Mack deserves credit for his team’s accomplishments at X (including the BE regular season title) and criticism for the way he handled his exit with the press (and maybe even for not getting further than one win in the NCAA Tournament his last year with a very talented #1 seed team).

yea that stuff bothered me, but i'm over it at this point. steele will be great and prove mack wrong.

[xukeith]

You make some valid points.

I would love to move on from all the talk about Mack. I will not put the guy on a pedestal, especially after the way he exited.

I don’t mind that he left for the money.
I don’t mind if he left becasue he felt he personally couldn’t get X to a Final Four.

What I mind is that he puts it out there to the public that he couldn’t recruit the players he wanted at X (like it was all about X and not him).
What I mind is that he makes himself look like he took a nothing program and put them on the map.

Brad Stevens never pulled that crap at Butler, but then he didn’t have to (he made it to two Final Fours with arguably less talent than Mack had).

Mack deserves credit for his team’s accomplishments at X (including the BE regular season title) and criticism for the way he handled his exit with the press (and maybe even for not getting further than one win in the NCAA Tournament his last year with a very talented #1 seed team).

How in the world does ANYONE know what Mack told a possible recruit? Who would know? Why would a recruit call up an internet poster and say, "Hey! Mack told me this about your favorite school!"

[scoscox]

i know this is a faux pas, but would anyone with an athletic subscription mind posting this article?

https://theathletic.com/894274/

[Xville]

How in the world does ANYONE know what Mack told a possible recruit? Who would know? Why would a recruit call up an internet poster and say, "Hey! Mack told me this about your favorite school!"

Because it was quoted in the louisville paper as such that a recruit said exactly these points. Mack is a douchebag...f him

[D-West & PO-Z]

i know this is a faux pas, but would anyone with an athletic subscription mind posting this article?

https://theathletic.com/894274/

If Muskie says it is ok, I will.

[XUGRAD80]

Because it was quoted in the louisville paper as such that a recruit said exactly these points. Mack is a douchebag...f him

....a poster on a message board SAYS that the READ in a newspaper that a potential recruit SAID that Mack SAID something to him......and this is PROOF that Mack is a douchebag?

Well, it’s on the Internet, so it MUST be true!

We STILL don’t know exactly what Mack said to him, or even if he said anything to him. We only know what the poster says that the newspaper printed. We could read the newspaper, but that would still just show us what they actually printed. We don’t know for sure what the recruit even said to the reporter. Even if we heard the interview firsthand, we still wouldn’t know what Mack actually said to the recruit, only what the recruit says he said. This is called hearsay evidence, and this is exactly why they don’t allow it to be testimony in most court cases.

It’s quite possible that Mack said something along the lines of.....” you’re the kind of player we want at UL “ to the recruit, and the recruit took that to mean that he wouldn’t have recruited him at X. After all, X doesn’t have the kind of deep pockets that UL does. X can’t afford the same players that UL can.

See how that goes? I just insinuated that it was about Mack not being able to “afford” the players a X that he can at UL. That MONEY was the difference between the schools, or that recruiting PRACTICES was the difference. Perhaps Mack DID say what you say he said.....and if it IS in relationship to the MONEY then is is absolutely CORRECT.....X can’t (and won’t) pay for recruits the way that UL has possibly done in the past, or may be possibly doing now.

It’s all in how someone wants to interpret what has been reported that he said (once again we don’t even know for sure if anything was said, or if it was said, what exactly was said). If someone already has a bias against someone they are probably going to believe the worst and interpret it the way they want to.

In REALITY......What Mack was reported to say is CORRECT. And it may just be time for some people to realize it and accept it. X has NEVER recruited even ONE McDonalds AA out of high school. They don’t recruit at the level that the “blue bloods” do. Never have, probably never will. We don’t see top 10 players going to X. X is a SMALL university, with a comparably small budget and comparably small footprint on the world of college BB. And there is no shame in this! It’s just reality. Even the worst schools in the power 5 conferences can afford to spend much more money on their athletic programs than the best schools in any of the other conferences. The TV money a school like Northwestern or Kansas State gets dwarfs the amount of money a school like X gets. The TV exposure for a school in the Big 12, PAC 10, SEC, Big 10, and ACC is much more than what a school in the BE gets. Heck, even UC has a weekly coaches show on TV. Does X? These other conferences have NETWORKS of their own and can put out shows that spotlight the universities. UL is part of this group and has a much larger potential than X has. I’ve lived long enough to see X go from Xavier of Ohio to just Xavier. It’s gone from let’s hope to beat NKU and possibly make the NIT as its goal, to be actually seriously talking about winning the National Championship. From Schmidt to Cintas. From nobody to somebody. But in all of that time UL has still be UL....with Denny Crum, the Doctors of Dunk, National Champions, HS AA recruits, and millions of dollars to spend on whatever it cared to. Take off your blinders. X is NOT the same as a UL, an OSU, a NC, etc......and I’m OK with that. I believe that there are enough quality high school recruits out there that are also OK with it, that X will continue to recruit some of them, and that they will develop into players that will take X to new heights. But it’s bound to be EASIER at a school like UL. It may not be as satisfying when it happens, but it’s more likely to happen there, than it is here.

[Xville]

....a poster on a message board SAYS that the READ in a newspaper that a potential recruit SAID that Mack SAID something to him......and this is PROOF that Mack is a douchebag?


In REALITY......What Mack was reported to say is CORRECT. And it may just be time for some people to realize it and accept it. X has NEVER recruited even ONE McDonalds AA out of high school. They don’t recruit at the level that the “blue bloods” do. Never have, probably never will. We don’t see top 10 players going to X. X is a SMALL university, with a comparably small budget and comparably small footprint on the world of college BB. And there is no shame in this! It’s just reality. Even the worst schools in the power 5 conferences can afford to spend much more money on their athletic programs than the best schools in any of the other conferences. The TV money a school like Northwestern or Kansas State gets dwarfs the amount of money a school like X gets. The TV exposure for a school in the Big 12, PAC 10, SEC, Big 10, and ACC is much more than what a school in the BE gets. Heck, even UC has a weekly coaches show on TV. Does X? These other conferences have NETWORKS of their own and can put out shows that spotlight the universities. UL is part of this group and has a much larger potential than X has. I’ve lived long enough to see X go from Xavier of Ohio to just Xavier. It’s gone from let’s hope to beat NKU and possibly make the NIT as its goal, to be actually seriously talking about winning the National Championship. From Schmidt to Cintas. From nobody to somebody. But in all of that time UL has still be UL....with Denny Crum, the Doctors of Dunk, National Champions, HS AA recruits, and millions of dollars to spend on whatever it cared to. Take off your blinders. X is NOT the same as a UL, an OSU, a NC, etc......and I’m OK with that. I believe that there are enough quality high school recruits out there that are also OK with it, that X will continue to recruit some of them, and that they will develop into players that will take X to new heights. But it’s bound to be EASIER at a school like UL. It may not be as satisfying when it happens, but it’s more likely to happen there, than it is here.

Mack implied he wasn't able to recruit the type of player at X to get to final fours and win championships. It's also very clear he told recruits that he turned a "mediocre program into a top 10 team" which is complete horseshit.
http://kentuckytoday.com/stories/macks-louisville-certainties-help-build-a-strong-recruiting-class,15785

I really doubt a kid just came up with that crap on his own.


Mack is full of crap and didn't take responsibility for his own deficiencies such as in-game coaching adjustments.

Now, is it easier to get Mcd All-Americans at Louisville vs Xavier of course. No one is arguing that...I'm just excited for when Mack implies he can't beat Kentucky or get to final fours because he can't get the one and dones like Duke/Kentucky.

If Villanova, Butler and Gonzaga can all get to the position of winning championships, X can too...and for Mack to turn his back on his alma mater, say crap like he did to Louisville recruits makes the guy a huge douchebag, and I can't wait until Steele makes multiple final fours and Mack never sniffs one.

[fellahmuskie]

Maybe McDonald's players aren't the best course for Xavier and top 30-70 guys are the sweet spot, but I would be shocked if Steele doesn't get one or two in the next five years. Pretty sure his motto is the final 2% and that means competing with the big boys.

[XUGRAD80]

Mack implied...... It's also very clear he told recruits that he turned a "mediocre program into a top 10 team" which is complete horseshit.


I really doubt a kid just came up with that crap on his own.



Your OPINIONS.....nothing more.

The article quotes the PLAYER as having said that thing......NOT MACK.

You need to quit exposing your OPINIONS as FACTS. Because they aren’t facts, they aren’t even being reported as something he said. Nowhere in that article, which is full of quotes by Mack, does HE say ANYTHING that is negative about X. Nothing. Nowhere. They recruit does, Mack doesn’t. Where the recruit got the idea that X was a “mediocre” program before Mack got there? Who knows?

But, X was in the A-10 when Mack became the head coach. Not exactly then, or now, a top tier league. So by any measure he DID “take” X from mediocrity to a top-10 position. How much of that was BECAUSE of Mack can certainly be argued. But it did happen WHILE Mack was head coach.

[Xville]

Your OPINIONS.....nothing more.

The article quotes the PLAYER as having said that thing......NOT MACK.

You need to quit exposing your OPINIONS as FACTS. Because they aren’t facts, they aren’t even being reported as something he said. Nowhere in that article, which is full of quotes by Mack, does HE say ANYTHING that is negative about X. Nothing. Nowhere. They recruit does, Mack doesn’t. Where the recruit got the idea that X was a “mediocre” program before Mack got there? Who knows?

But, X was in the A-10 when Mack became the head coach. Not exactly then, or now, a top tier league. So by any measure he DID “take” X from mediocrity to a top-10 position. How much of that was BECAUSE of Mack can certainly be argued. But it did happen WHILE Mack was head coach.

Oh the player said that? Yeah I'm aware but thanks for pointing that out. Yeah it's my opinion that the player heard that from mack..as I said, I really doubt the player got that on his own.

I have already said my piece on mack after knowing what I know from direct family members of his wife's and I wont rehash it again. If you want to believe that mack is a fine upstanding gentleman, that's fine go ahead and put your head in the sand.

[Joel]

Oh the player said that? Yeah I'm aware but thanks for pointing that out. Yeah it's my opinion that the player heard that from mack..as I said, I really doubt the player got that on his own.

I have already said my piece on mack after knowing what I know from direct family members of his wife's and I wont rehash it again. If you want to believe that mack is a fine upstanding gentleman, that's fine go ahead and put your head in the sand.

Stop the presses, he claims to have conclusive evidence of Mack's douchbaggery... from his in-laws! When someone's in-laws are (allegedly) saying something bad about him, you know it's serious stuff.

[XUGRAD80]

Oh the player said that? Yeah I'm aware but thanks for pointing that out. Yeah it's my opinion that the player heard that from mack..as I said, I really doubt the player got that on his own.

I have already said my piece on mack after knowing what I know from direct family members of his wife's and I wont rehash it again. If you want to believe that mack is a fine upstanding gentleman, that's fine go ahead and put your head in the sand.

More a case of iI will give the man the benefit of the doubt until there is something substantial and accurate to base my opinions on. I’m not jumping to any conclusions based on unfounded bias and rumor.

The purpose of a message board may be to discuss things and give personal opinions. But I would hope those opinions are based upon something more than “I heard from a relative, friend, co-worker, very reliable source” Or “I just don’t like him, her, them, that, those, etc”.

[Xavier]

It’s extremely naive to think Mack wouldn’t bash Xavier to potential recruits. If you have an upper hand like that in recruiting, you use it. And if Xavier were to hire a coach from a MAC school, I’d hope he would tell recruits Xavier is better.

Also, I think majority of people would think Mack is extremely arrogant. And most D1 college coaches are, especially when you are now head of a top 10 program.

[Xville]

More a case of iI will give the man the benefit of the doubt until there is something substantial and accurate to base my opinions on. I’m not jumping to any conclusions based on unfounded bias and rumor.

The purpose of a message board may be to discuss things and give personal opinions. But I would hope those opinions are based upon something more than “I heard from a relative, friend, co-worker, very reliable source” Or “I just don’t like him, her, them, that, those, etc”.

So speaking to actual family members regarding certain events surrounding the mack hire is opinion...got it.

I've already discussed this ad nauseam on here what I found out from those members so I'm not going to go into it again, but it's more than just bias or rumor. Though admittedly, I wasnt much of a fan of Mack's even while he was at xavier.

[XUGRAD80]

So speaking to actual family members regarding certain events surrounding the mack hire is opinion...got it.

Though admittedly, I wasnt much of a fan of Mack's even while he was at xavier.

My older brother was one of the most opinionated people as I ever knew. He would exaggerate and sometimes even outright fabricate stories on a regular basis. Just to back up his outlandish opinions. Not saying your family is anything like that. Not at all. What I am saying is that I certainly wouldn’t base my opinions on things I didn’t hear or see, but was told by him. In addition, I wouldn’t try to pass those stories on as actual fact, either.

Neither was I. But I think I can do better than to say, “F*** H**”, and to take shots at him on his way out the door. I like to think that all of us can be better than that. I would like to believe that we can all be above holding grudges, even against former coaches. But if it makes you feel better......

[Xville]

My older brother was one of the most opinionated people as ever knew. He would exaggerate and sometimes even outright fabricate stories on a regular basis. Just to back up his outlandish opinions. Not saying your family is anything like that. Not at all. What I am saying is that I certainly wouldn’t base my opinions on things I didn’t hear or see, but was told by him. In addition, I wouldn’t try to pass those stories on as actual fact, either.

Neither was I. But I think I can do better than to say, “F*** H**”, and to take shots at him on his way out the door. I like to think that all of us can be better than that.

You are free to believe what you want. I'm just pretty apt to believe what a mack family says about the events surrounding the hire.

Also, yep f him because whether he said it or not, he figuratively gave x the middle finger by leaving...his alma mater no less.

[XUGRAD80]

Also, yep f him because whether he said it or not, he figuratively gave x the middle finger by leaving...his alma mater no less.

Child, please.....

Grow up. You don’t think people leave their family business all the time? Or that professors, who graduated from X and now teach there, wouldn’t leave for a position at an Ivy League school? That high school teachers don’t move on from their alma mater? That people don’t leave a company after a long career and go to work for the competition? How about the schools that dump longtime coaches, even if they are also grads of the schools? How do you feel about them? He did what he thought was best for him and his family. Sorry, but that is what I expect anyone to do.

I’m an X grad and I can tell you that I don’t see where taking a job at another school is somehow a slap in the face of X and all it’s fans.

[scoscox]

I agree, but those people don't typically get on national television and talk about how much better they have it at their new position

but it's all ERRONEOUS. Erroneous on all counts!

steele will lead us to the promised land

[Xville]

Child, please.....

Grow up. You don’t think people leave their family business all the time? Or that professors, who graduated from X and now teach there, wouldn’t leave for a position at an Ivy League school? That high school teachers don’t move on from their alma mater? That people don’t leave a company after a long career and go to work for the competition? How about the schools that dump longtime coaches, even if they are also grads of the schools? How do you feel about them? He did what he thought was best for him and his family. Sorry, but that is what I expect anyone to do.

I’m an X grad and I can tell you that I don’t see where taking a job at another school is somehow a slap in the face of X and all it’s fans.

Completely different. If you dont believe that a coach who leaves his alma mater hurts the brand perception wise to recruits and btw is a chance to be negatively recruited against, than that's pretty naive in my opinion. Corporate world and NCAA basketball coach are two completely different things. That argument sucks in my opinion.

[GIMMFD]

Maybe McDonald's players aren't the best course for Xavier and top 30-70 guys are the sweet spot, but I would be shocked if Steele doesn't get one or two in the next five years. Pretty sure his motto is the final 2% and that means competing with the big boys.

Talking point that I don't want to get buried because I think you're definitely right there. One and done's are lets say what, like the first 10-15 recruits usually correct? Top 30-70 recruits isn't out of this world. If you look at Gonzaga's classes none of them blow you away, maybe a guy here and there in the Top 50, but then the rest would be around 100s, so I don't even think we need the entire class in that sweet spot; let's say we have 4 scholarships open, if we could get like a Top 40 recruit, and another Top 60 recruit, and fill the other two in the low 100s, I could see where with coaching and development that could lead to a Final 4. Granted it's going to take some growing pains for Steele to become a good coach, but I definitely think the potential is there after the turn around from this season.


It’s extremely naive to think Mack wouldn’t bash Xavier to potential recruits. If you have an upper hand like that in recruiting, you use it. And if Xavier were to hire a coach from a MAC school, I’d hope he would tell recruits Xavier is better.

Also, I think majority of people would think Mack is extremely arrogant. And most D1 college coaches are, especially when you are now head of a top 10 program.

I get that he was hired to win, and you definitely want to show that your new school is in a better place and you're equipped with the skills to lead this new place, but I think it could have been held more tactfully. Something closer to the lines of "Xavier is a great program, but at Louisville I feel the resources are this much better, and I believe with a player of your talent you could help lead us to the National Championship" is a more tactful way to negatively recruit. I don't know, maybe I'm expecting too much from people.

[XUGRAD80]

Completely different. If you dont believe that a coach who leaves his alma mater hurts the brand perception wise to recruits and btw is a chance to be negatively recruited against, than that's pretty naive in my opinion. Corporate world and NCAA basketball coach are two completely different things. That argument sucks in my opinion.

If negative recruiting was such a problem and such a worry......how do you explain Steele’s success?

Why don’t you just admit that for some reason you never did like him and that you’re just intent on holding a grudge against him? Why don’t you just admit that it’s personal with you? I really don’t understand why you seem to take this so seriously. It’s like he somehow has hurt you directly. It’s just basketball for heavens sake! There’s really no reason to get so upset with someone that has absolutely no real effect on your life.

[XUBison]

Mack blows donkey dick.

[Xville]

If negative recruiting was such a problem and such a worry......how do you explain Steele’s success?

Why don’t you just admit that for some reason you never did like him and that you’re just intent on holding a grudge against him? Why don’t you just admit that it’s personal with you? I really don’t understand why you seem to take this so seriously. It’s like he somehow has hurt you directly. It’s just basketball for heavens sake! There’s really no reason to get so upset with someone that has absolutely no real effect on your life.

I don't have a grudge against mack nor do I have anything personal against the guy. Hilarious I have someone posting to me at 10 o clock at night on a message board in the offseason telling me he doesnt understand why I seem to take this stuff so seriously.

[XUGRAD80]

Also, yep f him because whether he said it or not, he figuratively gave x the middle finger by leaving...his alma mater no less.


LOL....I’d say that comments like that show someone taking it pretty seriously. You’ve made several like it on virtually every thread that can somehow be made to mention Mack. He’s been gone over a year now. Let it lie.

At 10:00 last night I was sitting in a hotel room in NY, while my wife was watching some show on TV about houses. I’m just wasting time.

[Xville]

LOL....I’d say that comments like that show someone taking it pretty seriously. You’ve made several like it on virtually every thread that can somehow be made to mention Mack. He’s been gone over a year now. Let it lie.

At 10:00 last night I was sitting in a hotel room in NY, while my wife was watching some show on TV about houses. I’m just wasting time.

Ahh there it is...the telling another fan how to feel argument that you are famous for.

I never said I don't take it seriously. I do take it seriously...sports are important to me.....God, Family, Career, Sports....All four I take very seriously.

[XUGRAD80]

Ahh there it is...the telling another fan how to feel argument that you are famous for.

I never said I don't take it seriously. I do take it seriously...sports are important to me.....God, Family, Career, Sports....All four I take very seriously.

So...you take it “seriously”, but not personally, and don’t have a grudge against him, right?

[Xville]

nm

[bjf123]

Completely different. If you dont believe that a coach who leaves his alma mater hurts the brand perception wise to recruits and btw is a chance to be negatively recruited against, than that's pretty naive in my opinion. Corporate world and NCAA basketball coach are two completely different things. That argument sucks in my opinion.

So, you’re saying we should hope Mick leaves UC to hurt their brand and recruiting?

I do agree it is a perceptual negative.


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