NIT Championship or PIG loser

[OTRMUSKIE]

My buddy is insistent on it being better that X win a NIT then losing in the PIG. Under no circumstance is winning an NIT better then losing the PIG. What say you?

[GoMuskies]

Winning the NIT is great once you're relegated to the NIT. But getting to the NCAA Tournament is ALWAYS, 100% better than any NIT result.

[XUOHTX]

Nothing is good about the NIT. I'm going to watch every game and yell at the TV as hard as I would for any other game, but that's because I love Xavier and in spite of it being the NIT.

[XUBob]

PIG loss better than NIT championship. That being said I’ll pull for the Muskies and hope we are in the NCAA next year.

[usfldan]

You'd rather have a miserable night in Dayton than go to NYC?

[D-West & PO-Z]

PIG loser bc then at least you are in the tourney and have a shot. Going to the NIT is better than nothing but nothing replaces making the tourney.

[Muskie in dayton]

I’d rather lose in the first round of the NIT than play in the PIG. It’s a disgraceful game that shouldn’t exist in the first place. Plus it’s at UD Arena, a place that shouldn’t exist in any place.

[Xavier]

I’d rather make the tournament. Would your friend buy NIT championship gear?

[Xuperman]

Beat IU in the NIT Championship or lose to Belmont in the PIG......

[tacopizza885]

I’d rather lose in the first round of the NIT than play in the PIG. It’s a disgraceful game that shouldn’t exist in the first place. Plus it’s at UD Arena, a place that shouldn’t exist in any place.

^^ this guy. +1

[GoMuskies]

Beat IU in the NIT Championship or lose to Belmont in the PIG......

Well, Belmont is a lot better than IU, so I'd rather our guys have had the shot at Belmont.

[muethibp]

You're overthinking this dramatically, OP.

Winning is better than losing.

Continuing to play is better than being done.

Going to MSG again and lifting a trophy is better than a bus to Dayton and a sad ride home.

Think these people would rather have flown to Dayton and gone home as losers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBVcATl5D88

[GetUp5]

Lose in the play in game. 1,000,000%.

[muethibp]

You understand the question assumes you've lost the play-in game. This isn't some scenario where you make the play-in game and then see what happens. You went to Dayton and lost to a really bad team. That's what happened. You're out before the tournament even really starts. People prefer this to playing and winning five games?

[GetUp5]

You're overthinking this dramatically, OP.

Winning is better than losing.

Continuing to play is better than being done.

Going to MSG again and lifting a trophy is better than a bus to Dayton and a sad ride home.

Think these people would rather have flown to Dayton and gone home as losers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBVcATl5D88

That's Penn State. The basketball program with 1 NCAA appearance between 2002-now (KenPom only goes back to 2002 and I'm too lazy to look anywhere else). I'd assume Xavier holds themselves to a higher standard than Penn State.

There's definitely an argument that, say, UNC Greensboro would rather win the NIT than lose in the play in game.. But I really think any school that has legitimate yearly Final Four expectations (which should be almost everyone in the Power 6) would rather have had the chance to play in the big dance.

[GoMuskies]

The excitement in that building was palpable!

Near the end: "We'll see what these two programs become next year..." Shit. They were shit this year.

[muethibp]

That's Penn State. The basketball program with 1 NCAA appearance between 2002-now (KenPom only goes back to 2002 and I'm too lazy to look anywhere else). I'd assume Xavier holds themselves to a higher standard than Penn State.

There's definitely an argument that, say, UNC Greensboro would rather win the NIT than lose in the play in game.. But I really think any school that has legitimate yearly Final Four expectations (which should be almost everyone in the Power 6) would rather have had the chance to play in the big dance.

That argument makes literally no sense. You have it exactly backwards. If PSU has made one NCAA in 17 years, then they'd presumably trade anything for the NCAA trip. And teams that are used to being in the NCAA, as Xavier thankfully is, should be willing to set aside a meaningless, losing, forgetful trip to Dayton for the unusual experience of winning the NIT title.

[chico]

I'd rather see my name called Selection Sunday than win some consolation prize. There's a reason the NIT is referred to as "Not In Tournament." Better to have played in the NCAA and lost than never to have played in the NCAA at all. Talk about meaningless.

I wonder what Hankins, Welage or Castlin would rather do? I'm sure their thinking was they were coming for a chance to win the NIT instead of the chance to say you made the NCAA tournament.

[GoMuskies]

Having our fans twist themselves in knots to act like they're happy Xavier is in the NIT as opposed to the NCAA Tournament is worse than Xavier being in the NIT and not the NCAA Tournament.

[GetUp5]

That argument makes literally no sense. You have it exactly backwards. If PSU has made one NCAA in 17 years, then they'd presumably trade anything for the NCAA trip. And teams that are used to being in the NCAA, as Xavier thankfully is, should be willing to set aside a meaningless, losing, forgetful trip to Dayton for the unusual experience of winning the NIT title.

This is ridiculous.

The NIT sucks. Period.

What "makes literally no sense" is trying to act like you'd rather win the NIT than lose in the NCAA Tournament.

[GetUp5]

Having our fans twist themselves in knots to act like they're happy Xavier is in the NIT as opposed to the NCAA Tournament is worse than Xavier being in the NIT and not the NCAA Tournament.

This^

Being in the NIT is brutal. But I'll be watching the Muskies tonight just like I do every other game. I just couldn't imagine being excited about winning NIT games.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Having our fans twist themselves in knots to act like they're happy Xavier is in the NIT as opposed to the NCAA Tournament is worse than Xavier being in the NIT and not the NCAA Tournament.

Yeah, I dont get it one bit. I am glad we are in the NIT as opposed to nothing but I would rather make the tourney even if it meant you lost in PIG. At least you can continue a streak of tourney appearances among other things.

[dethwing]

I'm bummed they didn't make the tournament (Especially with the way the Nova game ended, and doubly especially that SJ somehow got in).

But I'm still excited for more X basketball. It's not impossible to be be both.

[GoMuskies]

But I'm still excited for more X basketball. It's not impossible to be be both.

100%. By all rights post-DePaul, this team was dead and buried. It's awesome and amazing that they managed to make it to this place. It just would have been MORE awesome and MORE amazing to have beaten Butler and/or Villanova yet still bow out to Belmont last night in Dayton.

[Xuperman]

Well, Belmont is a lot better than IU, so I'd rather our guys have had the shot at Belmont.

No way Belmont is better than IU, let alone a lot better but that is beside the point. Beat the Hoosiers in a NIT Championship at MSG, or anywhere else for that matter, would send shock waves throughout Indiana/Ohio basketball wise. I am positive that would pay dividends on the recruiting trail. We tend to mine a lot of talent out of Indiana, so a BIG W over them would make our already successful recruiting there even better......plus it would really piss off their fan base, which is nice.

[GetUp5]

No way Belmont is better than IU, let alone a lot better but that is beside the point. Beat the Hoosiers in a NIT Championship at MSG, or anywhere else for that matter, would send shock waves throughout Indiana/Ohio basketball wise. I am positive that would pay dividends on the recruiting trail. We tend to mine a lot of talent out of Indiana, so there's that.

"Hey Recruit, we both kinda sucked last year but at least we sucked a little bit less than Indiana".

[GoMuskies]

No way Belmont is better than IU, let alone a lot better but that is beside the point. Beat the Hoosiers in a NIT Championship at MSG, or anywhere else for that matter, would send shock waves throughout Indiana/Ohio basketball wise. I am positive that would pay dividends on the recruiting trail. We tend to mine a lot of talent out of Indiana, so a BIG W over them would make our already successful recruiting there even better......plus it would really piss off their fan base, which is nice.

Oh yeah, remember when Dayton beat UNC in the NIT? Total shockwaves!

I mean, if you seriously think IU is better than Belmont, I guess I don't know what to tell you...

I'm glad you're going to enjoy the NIT.

[Xuperman]

I appreciate the sarcasm but terrible example. UD doesn't have any chance of snagging a big time NC kid from UNC. We actively mine talent in Indiana. When recruiting in the Hoosier state any edge we get vs IU and BU is a good thing.

[GoMuskies]

That's not going to gain us any edge. Hell, Romeo Langford isn't even playing. You know why? Because the NT is a glorified exhibition. And it's not really that glorified.

Better recruiting edge against IU: we play in the NCAA Tournament. IU plays in the NIT.

[Xuperman]

If you seriously think IU is better than Belmont, I guess I don't know what to tell you.

Seriously, Jeff Sagrin has IU 18 spots ahead of Belmont......IU 5-5 against the top 20, Belmont 0-1 against the TOP 50. I guess I don't know what to tell you.

[GoMuskies]

Now do it without Romeo Langford

[chico]

Seriously, I don't understand how this is even a debate? I went to Dayton to watch X lose miserably to NC State. I'll still feel much better about that season than I would about this year's team if the win the NIT.

And I don't mean to take anything away from what this team accomplished after the DePaul game, as Gomuskies said. It will be a very nice end to their season, but it wold've been more successful had they made the NCAA game in Dayton and lost. And I would wager that, to a man, our current roster would rather have made the NCAA than have to settle for an NIT championship.

But, hey, if we win that at least will mean we'll be Rob Gronkowski's favorite team, so we've got that going for us.

[Xuperman]

The only thing worth debating is whether the NIT is a worthless waste of time or not.......A "glorified exhibition" or something more in a positive light.

MADISON SQUARE GARDEN, the most famous arena in the world, does not host worthless events.

[GoMuskies]

Are you kidding? The Knicks play there 41 times/year. :)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Are you kidding? The Knicks play there 41 times/year. :)

That hurts!

[American X]

Winning the NIT is being the tallest midget.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Winning the NIT is being the tallest midget.

So essentially being Mick Cronin?

Gross.

Debate has ended, losing PIG wins.

[xu koop scoop]

NIT Champ preferred to PIG Loser. I enjoy watching XU. So watching 4 extra games be AWESOME. At some point clips of our 1958 NIT Champs or honoring those still alive from that squad would seem to happen. Starting next season with an active winning streak is special. We couldn't get thru the 1st round of an 8 team tourney in November, so winning it all in a 32 team event is an achievement. If we win it all, I think others will come around to my way of thinkimg

[bjf123]

I’d prefer NIT champ. I still feel like you’re not in the Big Dance until you’re in the field of 64. I also don’t think any conference champs should be in the PIG, even if it’s a huge upset.


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[muethibp]

Losing in Dayton to a bad team would definitely have been better than winning tonight and playing this weekend. ��

[paulxu]

We should be in the dance, not St John's. The numbers didn't lie.

[SemajParlor]

I think both knowing that losing in the PIG is better but also cheering on Xavier to keep winning as long as they can are two ideas that can both exist.

[tacopizza885]

Call the guards... where's Snipe? There are believers and non believers. Those that follow this team through thick and thin, and those that don't. I want to send Kyle Castlin, Ryan Welage, and Zach Hankins out on a good note.

Some may say we got screwed on a BS call in the BE tournament. So be it.

It's on to Austin. And then maybe back to Cintas.

We cannot prove ourselves in the NCAA tournament, but I'll be damned if anyone thinks we are giving up on this Xavier team.

Win and advance. All for the NIT trophy.

[X-band '01]

We should be in the dance, not St John's. The numbers didn't lie.

I hope it doesn't take another 4 years for the Johnnies to return to the Dance.

[KabeX]

We should be in the dance, not St John's. The numbers didn't lie.
Nor would the result. My God Almighty Johnnies.

[GoMuskies]

It's like Bobby Knight said: if the NIT is unavoidable, you might as well lay back and enjoy it.

[xufan2020]

NCAA>NIT

How much money is made for winning the NIT?

I’m willing to bet the PIGs get more views than any NIT game. Seriously why is this even a question?

[noteggs]

It's like Bobby Knight said: if the NIT is unavoidable, you might as well lay back and enjoy it.

Haha...thank you Connie Chung

[bobbiemcgee]

Yep - PIG loser= 1 ncaa unit

[xu koop scoop]

NCAA>NIT

How much money is made for winning the NIT?

I’m willing to bet the PIGs get more views than any NIT game. Seriously why is this even a question?

If your team is in the NIT, you will tend to watch it. I never watched PIG unless we played in it. Those of us about 65 or older remember the NIT interest being on about par with the NCAA.

[xufan2020]

If your team is in the NIT, you will tend to watch it. I never watched PIG unless we played in it. Those of us about 65 or older remember the NIT interest being on about par with the NCAA.
I’m aware of the history of the NIT, but it is no longer anywhere close to the ncaa. In the ncaa, you make money for your basketball program and conference. Same cannot be said for the NIT.

[muethibp]

The jealousy of St. John’s midweek trip to Dayton overfloweth.

Check out this article from Cincinnati.com:

Xavier Musketeers basketball team having fun playing in NIT

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2019/03/21/ncaa-nit-2019-xavier-enjoys-beating-toledo-looks-ahead-texas/3230541002/

[chico]

The jealousy of St. John’s midweek trip to Dayton overfloweth.

Check out this article from Cincinnati.com:

Xavier Musketeers basketball team having fun playing in NIT

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2019/03/21/ncaa-nit-2019-xavier-enjoys-beating-toledo-looks-ahead-texas/3230541002/

Jealousy overfloweth? Maybe just a little hyperbole there? Just because we'd rather be in the NCAA than win the NIT does not mean we're not enjoying watching them play more basketball. I'd love to see them win it all.

However, I would rather be Crash Davis with the 21 glorious days in the majors than be Crash Davis with the home run record but never getting to the show. Because that's the goal of every player that suits up - it's to make the NCAA tourney. The NIT is a nice consolation prize, but it's just that - consolation.

[atljar]

Wow Im suprised at some of these answers. I much much much rather win the NIT than lose the play in game.

[kmcrawfo]

Wow Im suprised at some of these answers. I much much much rather win the NIT than lose the play in game.

I, agree as well. The winner of the NIT generally get some preseason respect the following year and will certainly be higher in the preseason rankings than who ever lost a game in the play in portion of the NCAA tournament. I would think that in terms of betterment for the team The Following season winning the NIT is far more beneficial than losing in the play-in game

[GoMuskies]

Penn State received 0 votes in both preseason polls this year. First Four loser UCLA was #20 in one poll and #21 in another. First Four loser Arizona State got 3 votes in the AP Poll. Of the three, Penn State and UCLA sucked out loud, while ASU returned to the First Four and got a win this time.

[UCGRAD4X]

Losing the PIG is an embarrassment. I'm not sure they should even be considered actually in the tournament. They should get back to the 'first round' being the first time all the teams play. PIG losers have not made the tournament and therefore do not constitute a round of tournament play. Its too damn confusing, esp for a UC grad.

[chico]

I, agree as well. The winner of the NIT generally get some preseason respect the following year and will certainly be higher in the preseason rankings than who ever lost a game in the play in portion of the NCAA tournament. I would think that in terms of betterment for the team The Following season winning the NIT is far more beneficial than losing in the play-in game

I prefer to sneak up on people.

[American X]

Losing the PIG is an embarrassment. I'm not sure they should even be considered actually in the tournament. They should get back to the 'first round' being the first time all the teams play. PIG losers have not made the tournament and therefore do not constitute a round of tournament play. Its too damn confusing, esp for a UC grad.

The argument for expanding to 68 was that good teams were being left out of the tournament. Hasn't Arizona State vs. St. John's put that argument to rest? Let's go back to 64.

[dethwing]

The argument for expanding to 68 was that good teams were being left out of the tournament. Hasn't Arizona State vs. St. John's put that argument to rest? Let's go back to 64.

The genie is out of the bottle, you can't go back. I'd say a full fledged 96 (With 32 teams getting byes to Thursday/Friday) is more likely than ever seeing 64 again.

[American X]

The genie is out of the bottle

There is nothing magical about the First Four in Dayton.

[Muskie]

The genie is out of the bottle, you can't go back. I'd say a full fledged 96 (With 32 teams getting byes to Thursday/Friday) is more likely than ever seeing 64 again.

I'm be in favor of expansion only IF all regular season conference champions (assuming there is no tie) get an auto bid and the conference tournament winner gets an auto bid. If a Conference Tourney and Regular Season winner are the same that bid goes into the "at-large" pool. That's really the only way to do it with expansion. It rewards both the hot team and the consistent team.

[American X]

I'm be in favor of expansion only IF all regular season conference champions (assuming there is no tie) get an auto bid and the conference tournament winner gets an auto bid. If a Conference Tourney and Regular Season winner are the same that bid goes into the "at-large" pool. That's really the only way to do it with expansion. It rewards both the hot team and the consistent team.

Your 'flu medication' kicked in early today. You know this would only go to allow in the 11th place teams in the ACC and Big Ten.