2019 Coaching Carousel

[Muskie]

6 years at 24 million for Mick and a guarantee of charter flights and assistant coach salary pool.

[outsideobserver11]

UC fans are excited and UCLA fans are pissed..that says it all!

But tonight, us UC fans party!! :drinks:

Also, I've read this board for years and fully expect you will find some way to hate whoever UC hires, Mick Cronin just made it way too easy for you. Interestingly, Steele is the first coach that most UC fans don't actually hate. He seems to be a decent, humble guy; I hope we can be so lucky after what we've been put through for over a decade.

[JTG]

UCLA basketball you have just entered The Twilight Zone.
Mick in LA is about as crazy as a whore in a convent.

[Xavier]

I think his style will do what it did for UC. UCLA will be a tournament team with zero hope of making deep runs.

[XU 87]

UC fans are excited and UCLA fans are pissed..that says it all!

But tonight, us UC fans party!! :drinks:

Also, I've read this board for years and fully expect you will find some way to hate whoever UC hires, Mick Cronin just made it way too easy for you. Interestingly, Steele is the first coach that most UC fans don't actually hate. He seems to be a decent, humble guy; I hope we can be so lucky after what we've been put through for over a decade.

I hope UC hires another coach just as obnoxious as Cronin. It makes it so much easier to root against the program.

[bjf123]

6 years at 24 million for Mick and a guarantee of charter flights and assistant coach salary pool.

If that’s the case, I can’t really blame him.


Also, I've read this board for years and fully expect you will find some way to hate whoever UC hires, Mick Cronin just made it way too easy for you.

Mick did make it easy to hate the program. It will be interesting to see who they get to replace him.


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[BMoreX]

Sad to see him go. Made UC an easily hateable rival.

I don't think he'll find much success at UCLA. His personality and style just isn't going to work out there.

[Muskie]

If that’s the case, I can’t really blame him.



Mick did make it easy to hate the program. It will be interesting to see who they get to replace him.


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I'm fairly confident on my numbers and those highlighted incentives.

[XU 87]

Sad to see him go. Made UC an easily hateable rival.

I don't think he'll find much success at UCLA. His personality and style just isn't going to work out there.

He'd better win, and win fast, because his personality isn't gong to win them over.

[Muskie]

Early names for Cincinnati:
John Brannen
Steve Forbes
Porter Moser
Keith Dambrot
Mike Anderson
Craig Smith
Tim Miles
Bryce Drew

Courtesy of https://twitter.com/highmajorscoop

[murray87]

UCLA basketball you have just entered The Twilight Zone.
Mick in LA is about as crazy as a whore in a convent.

Public reps!!

[X-band '01]

Shame for Larry Davis that he couldn't control himself on a flight last year. He would have also been in line for the job.

[muskiefan82]

I hope UC hires another coach just as obnoxious as Cronin. It makes it so much easier to root against the program.

Hmmmm....Thad? :lmao:

[D-West & PO-Z]

I hope UC hires another coach just as obnoxious as Cronin. It makes it so much easier to root against the program.

From a pure hateed stand point them hiring Pitino would be awesome lol

[Xville]

Early names for Cincinnati:
John Brannen
Steve Forbes
Porter Moser
Keith Dambrot
Mike Anderson
Craig Smith
Tim Miles
Bryce Drew

Courtesy of https://twitter.com/highmajorscoop

Out of those...brannen and smith are the only ones I would even consider if I were Cincinnati. The rest of those in my opinion are yuck. Well, maybe Drew....I think he got a bit of a raw deal at vandy.

[XU 87]

From a pure hateed stand point them hiring Pitino would be awesome lol

Maybe they'll rehire Huggins. Or Gale Catlett.

[Muskie]

UC board appears to be considering Matta... Whether Thad is considering them is another story.

[xudash]

Shit!

We lost the ytg?!!!

[novachap]

Saw a great post on the national board:
I wonder if this is Mick's first job in Los Angeles since the filming of Somewhere Under the Rainbow?

[throwbackmuskie]

St John's ever make an official announcement about Mullins stepping down? As for Clifton, Matta would be another Tubberville for them. Brannen would be the best hire, but not sure they are that smart. Frank Martin is a Huggins guy, could see him going to Clifton or St John's

[X-band '01]

Out of those...brannen and smith are the only ones I would even consider if I were Cincinnati. The rest of those in my opinion are yuck. Well, maybe Drew....I think he got a bit of a raw deal at vandy.

Steve Forbes is not yuck as our Wichita lover Go will attest.

[chico]

So UCLA started out trying to lure coaching giants and ended up with a midget.

[GoMuskies]

Steve Forbes is not yuck as our Wichita lover Go will attest.

Forbes is pretty good, but if you're already UC, why not go the whole nine yards and just hire Chris Jans? He's much better, and UC is never going to be covered in glory, so they might as well hire the best candidate and live with the baggage.

[noteggs]

Does St John’s gamble and go after Rick Pitino? Personally, I hope not because the potential bad press given to BE. At least Dickie V would be happy.

[XU 87]

Does St John’s gamble and go after Rick Pitino? Personally, I hope not because the potential bad press given to BE. At least Dickie V would be happy.

Pitino's not going to SJU until he gets an apology from the feds:

https://sports.yahoo.com/rick-pitino-says-he-would-revitalize-st-johns-basketball-but-wants-an-apology-first-161213726.html

[noteggs]

Pitino's not going to SJU until he gets an apology from the feds:

https://sports.yahoo.com/rick-pitino-says-he-would-revitalize-st-johns-basketball-but-wants-an-apology-first-161213726.html

Hey apology could happen, I mean it’s SDNY...let me refer you to Foxx- Cook County- Smollett.

Rick does have strong roots in NY.

[X-band '01]

Live look-in at UCLA's campus:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyN39PY0d4M

[xudash]

PTI was somewhere between less than enthusiastic and politely thumbs down about Cronin to UCLA.

[GIMMFD]

PTI was somewhere between less than enthusiastic and politely thumbs down about Cronin to UCLA.

One sweet 16 in 9 years, can you blame them? You were just linked with Rick Barnes who did a solid job at Tennessee, and you get Mick Cronin. Pretty underwhelming stuff, and like I said earlier, whoever they hired looked like a back-up option with the Dixon fiasco. UCLA reallllly botched this.

[Xavgrad08]

Forbes is pretty good, but if you're already UC, why not go the whole nine yards and just hire Chris Jans? He's much better, and UC is never going to be covered in glory, so they might as well hire the best candidate and live with the baggage.

From a basketball perspective Chris Jans would be a really good hire. I think either Jans and Forbes would do a good job. Being Gregg Marshall protégés can’t hurt.

[paulxu]

Shit!

We lost the ytg?!!!

Could be the worse loss of the season.

[Juice]

From a basketball perspective Chris Jans would be a really good hire. I think either Jans and Forbes would do a good job. Being Gregg Marshall protégés can’t hurt.

UC fans HATE Gregg Marshall.

[xudash]

Could be the worse loss of the season.

From the UCLA board (they're not thrilled):

"Every time I think or see Mick Cronin I think of the "Pig Vomit" station program director from Howard Stern's "Private Parts""

Then a guy chimes in with DR EVIL and he is followed by MINI-ME.

[GoMuskies]

UC fans HATE Gregg Marshall.

Yet another reason to love him.

[paulxu]

and he is followed by MINI-ME.

Moi?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoBMPGeZhypTrEf2VLhRJaqI_zimUZa lwcg8R8UMmaY16_u9tj

[muskiefan82]

From the UCLA board (they're not thrilled):

"Every time I think or see Mick Cronin I think of the "Pig Vomit" station program director from Howard Stern's "Private Parts""

Then a guy chimes in with DR EVIL and he is followed by MINI-ME.

I went to the Bruin Zone to see what they were saying. Aside from the most supportive fans who are saying "Meh", there is not a lot of love. In any event, whenever I go to another forum, I come back here and can't believe how great this site is. It is so much better than anything out there. UCLA's site is brutal. Thanks Xavierhoops!

[X-band '01]

BruinZone looks more like Snipe's old Xavier Roundtable if you want to see how far we've come as far as messageboards go.

[xudash]

Moi?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoBMPGeZhypTrEf2VLhRJaqI_zimUZa lwcg8R8UMmaY16_u9tj

Ha! That ties the one of him as a green-faced elf.

[X-band '01]

Going back to UC, I wonder what their chances of hiring Darren Savino would be. He was actually Cronin's associate head coach and will be on his UCLA staff if he doesn't get the head job at UC. He's part of their NY area pipeline. Not sure about his Xs and Os acumen, though.

[joe titan]

Going back to UC, I wonder what their chances of hiring Darren Savino would be. He was actually Cronin's associate head coach and will be on his UCLA staff if he doesn't get the head job at UC. He's part of their NY area pipeline. Not sure about his Xs and Os acumen, though.

Near zero; UC powers that be want somebody bigger than Mick so his #2 assistant (since Davis' departure) is not going to satiate their appetite. Savino & Mick are closely aligned as far as X & O philosophy/ability.

[XUGRAD80]

Alford to Nevada

So...Alford is out at UCLA and Mick is in......Alford is in at Nevada, the school that sent Mick and HC packing in last year’s tournament

Carousel is right!

[GoMuskies]

That's a good move for Alford and Nevada. He has thrived at that level.

[X-band '01]

Charleston Post & Courier - Frank Martin reportedly a target at Cincinnati (https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/gamecocks-frank-martin-reportedly-a-target-at-cincinnati/article_47638438-5cba-11e9-bb95-e3f947f90d72.html)

Interesting timing here - per the article Martin's buyout became $1 million on April 1. It had been $2 million prior to that date. Not an insignificant fact if UC is looking to hire on the cheap themselves.

[Xville]

Charleston Post & Courier - Frank Martin reportedly a target at Cincinnati (https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/gamecocks-frank-martin-reportedly-a-target-at-cincinnati/article_47638438-5cba-11e9-bb95-e3f947f90d72.html)

Interesting timing here - per the article Martin's buyout became $1 million on April 1. It had been $2 million prior to that date. Not an insignificant fact if UC is looking to hire on the cheap themselves.

I think he would be a good fit at UC. I know he has struggled at SC but its a football school....at K state he basically did what Cronin had done at UC....that may be enough for them.

[XU 87]

Martin is out, which is too bad, because my impression is that he is kind of a jerk.

[XU 87]

Charleston Post & Courier - Frank Martin reportedly a target at Cincinnati (https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/gamecocks-frank-martin-reportedly-a-target-at-cincinnati/article_47638438-5cba-11e9-bb95-e3f947f90d72.html)

Interesting timing here - per the article Martin's buyout became $1 million on April 1. It had been $2 million prior to that date. Not an insignificant fact if UC is looking to hire on the cheap themselves.

The Enquirer reported his buyout is over $12 million. I suspect The Enquirer doesn't know what they're talking about, which wouldn't be the first nor will be the last time.

[Xville]

Martin is out, which is too bad, because my impression is that he is kind of a jerk.

. Have you seen some of his interviews with the press when asked certain things about his players, or his views on parents in youth sports? If not check it out, its quite refreshing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dki7xQXmYLk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=enx35gnnQV0

This is a guy to me who actually does give a crap about his players and items not lip service.

His honesty to me is quite refreshing.

[XU 87]

I want this guy at UC:

https://www.free-times.com/blogs/frank-martin-is-a-jerk/article_5a3f8f01-7296-5192-8ca8-fa9c1b4c61e0.html

[GIMMFD]

. Have you seen some of his interviews with the press when asked certain things about his players, or his views on parents in youth sports? If not check it out, its quite refreshing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dki7xQXmYLk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=enx35gnnQV0

This is a guy to me who actually does give a crap about his players and items not lip service.

His honesty to me is quite refreshing.

Exactly what I was going to say, I like Martin, he's tough a definite no non-sense type of guy but I feel like the type to channel that and push you to the limits. I'm a fan of his, oh and he'd be better than Mick because he's actually been to an Elite 8 haha.

EDIT and Final 4 with South Carolina, but the comparison was K-State.

[Xville]

I want this guy at UC:

https://www.free-times.com/blogs/frank-martin-is-a-jerk/article_5a3f8f01-7296-5192-8ca8-fa9c1b4c61e0.html

Much ado about nothing to me. Coaches yelling at their players isnt "verbal abuse" to me as I had plenty of coaches yell at me in grade school all the way up thru high school.

Quite frankly, those were the coaches I responded to and learned from the most.

To each their own I guess.

[XU 87]

Much ado about nothing to me. Coaches yelling at their players isnt "verbal abuse" to me as I had plenty of coaches yell at me in grade school all the way up thru high school.

Quite frankly, those were the coaches I responded to and learned from the most.

To each their own I guess.

I'm just having a little fun with Coach Martin/UC.

[JTG]

A little off topic, but a former student at MSU came forward yesterday about being gang raped by 3 bball players. This, and his lack of condemning the pervert gymnastic dr is not a good look for Izzo. But he is a media darling.

[Lloyd Braun]

Much ado about nothing to me. Coaches yelling at their players isnt "verbal abuse" to me as I had plenty of coaches yell at me in grade school all the way up thru high school.

Quite frankly, those were the coaches I responded to and learned from the most.

To each their own I guess.

The tough guy yelling coach is rarely effective and likely more damaging. There is a ton of data on this. Humiliating someone in public or in front of teammates is almost always counterproductive especially to a child. Perhaps your experiences are the exceptions.

[XU 87]

The tough guy yelling coach is rarely effective and likely more damaging.

I wouldn't have wanted to play for him, but it seems to have worked for Knight well. The same is true for Lombardi. We're now in different times.

[Lloyd Braun]

I wouldn't have wanted to play for him, but it seems to have worked for Knight well. The same is true for Lombardi. We're now in different times.

I probably should have elaborated more but I didn’t mean to equate success with wins, especially on the non-pro level.

[XU 87]

I probably should have elaborated more but I didn’t mean to equate success with wins, especially on the non-pro level.

Personally, I agree with you. I was just noting how some legendary "yellers and screamers " have been very successful.

[Xville]

The tough guy yelling coach is rarely effective and likely more damaging. There is a ton of data on this. Humiliating someone in public or in front of teammates is almost always counterproductive especially to a child. Perhaps your experiences are the exceptions.

Meh...as long as it never gets physical or to the point of verbal abuse which I dont think the example of what 87 sent was, in my opinion it can be quite effective. It certainly does depend on the child or teenager/twentysomething year old...some respond to it like I did, others have their feelings hurt.

[XUGRAD80]

I had HS football coaches that spent their whole time yelling and screaming.....usually about how I was doing something wrong......and none of their time teaching players how they wanted something done. Consequently, very few of the players improved. I always found that showing someone how to do something, explaining why that was the best way to do it, and then letting the kids try it for themselves, worked best for me as a player and a coach. Most of my yelling was in the encouraging and cheering form. However, there were always times when it became necessary to let a kid know that what he/she was doing was not acceptable and needed to change.

Jerry Kramer (HOF guard for the Packers under Lombardi) tells this story....” it was Lombardi’s first year, real early in training camp. Lombardi was all over my ass the whole practice. Nothin I did was good enough. Everything I did was wrong. I was sitting in front of my locker afterwards, to tired to even take my gear off and to beaten down to even care. Lombardi came into the room and walked over to me. He put his head down by mine and said softly, ‘if you keep working hard like that you’re going to be the best guard in the whole league.’ I was ready to go out and practice 2 more hours for him”.

GREAT coaches know how to coach PEOPLE, not just “players”.

[Xavgrad08]

Goodman and Rothstein reporting John Brannen to Cincinnati is a done deal.

[GIMMFD]

Goodman and Rothstein reporting John Brannen to Cincinnati is a done deal.

Announced on Twitter as well, he did wonders at NKU and not surprised at all to see this happen, seems like a good hire, lucky for Brannen he doesn't have to sell his house or anything haha. Will be interesting to see how UC develops for the next couple years with Brannen.

[XUGRAD80]

Announced on Twitter as well, he did wonders at NKU and not surprised at all to see this happen, seems like a good hire, lucky for Brannen he doesn't have to sell his house or anything haha. Will be interesting to see how UC develops for the next couple years with Brannen.

Actually he MAY have to sell his house. He lives in Alexandria, KY. Don’t know what the rule is but as the HC of an Ohio state university, it might be part of the requirement to actually reside in OH.

[GoMuskies]

Actually he MAY have to sell his house. He lives in Alexandria, KY. Don’t know what the rule is but as the HC of an Ohio state university, it might be part of the requirement to actually reside in OH.

That would be odd since last year (2018) UC didn't even play their home games in Ohio! :)

[xudash]

Can the former "CEO" of NKU make the transition to a UC that is firmly stuck in Mid-major land?

Big school.

Now much better facility.

Massive uncertainty and budget pressures, resulting from football-driven P5 aspirations that most likely will remain unfulfilled.

This will be interesting.

[X-band '01]

That would be odd since last year (2018) UC didn't even play their home games in Ohio! :)

They did play one game in Ohio that season.

[sirthought]

I think under the circumstances UC made a really solid hire. There were likely several other good candidates, but Brannen is a quality coach in my opinion.

Brannen currently has a decent staff with guys that gained experience at bigger D1 schools before coming to NKU, and one of his assistants was a Cronin player at Murray State and worked at UC for six seasons. Brannen employs a fairly effective defense, using some of that old VCU press system. His offense tends to spread the floor and use a wide open inside/outside game, but that might need to change with the shooters UC has currently.

I wouldn't say any high school player knew what NKU was four years ago, so it's hard to evaluate how effective a recruiter he has been there. The results they've had mean kids in the region do recognize NKU at least now. But it's hard to say if this coach will be tougher to recruit against or not. I'd say a lot of players who were turned off by Cronin's personality are more likely going to at least listen to what UC has to say now. Their conference doesn't suck completely, and the facilities and program history are pretty hard to beat in the larger picture of D1 basketball.

[Xavgrad08]

Former Bearcat Kenyon Martin is going on a Twitter rant how it is a bad hire and former players don’t support it. I hope some one screenshots these before he deletes.

[GoMuskies]

A lot of former UC players are kinda dumb, so......

[bleedXblue]

Former Bearcat Kenyon Martin is going on a Twitter rant how it is a bad hire and former players don’t support it. I hope some one screenshots these before he deletes.

That's not what I saw. He said the hiring process was not good. I think meaning that they didn't include Van Exel in the process........

A guys thats never coached.........

[JTG]

A lot of former UC players are kinda dumb, so......

Kinda dumb is being kind. Martin belongs in the Dimwit Hall of Fame. He has more tatoos than IQ points.

[bjf123]

Former Bearcat Kenyon Martin is going on a Twitter rant how it is a bad hire and former players don’t support it. I hope some one screenshots these before he deletes.

Shannon posted one to her FB account. As someone else said, he’s upset about the process.


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[X-band '01]

Former Bearcat Kenyon Martin is going on a Twitter rant how it is a bad hire and former players don’t support it. I hope some one screenshots these before he deletes.

If by former players you mean himself and Terry Nelson, you'd be correct.

[Xavgrad08]

Martin being frustrated at the hiring process seems dumb. I just don’t think a former player should tweet “ former players not happy about that hire”. 7:06. https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/3469325002

[Juice]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I highly doubt Kenyon Martin or any of his buds actually follow college basketball all that much. I highly doubt they know what Brannen has accomplished and how far the NKU program has come in the last five years alone.

[muskiefan82]

Yikes St. Johns. Yikes.
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/porter-moser-turns-down-st-johns-job-offer/492040

[JTG]

Wow, turn down a BE team in the Big Apple to stay in a non P6 conference where you caught lightning in a bottle that will probably never be repeated. Is St John that big of a dumpster fire ?

[Muskie]

Chicago isn't that bad of a town, and if e can coach Loyola for the rest of his life if he wants. He could cash in at St. Johns, but some people don't like that.

[XUGRAD80]

St. John’s does seem to be having a bit of trouble getting a coach....perhaps all of those players leaving has something to do with that?

[scoscox]

hearing pat kelsey is a primary target for NKU. not sure that'd be a great hire. also seems like an entirely lateral move. why turn down umass and then accept nku? location?

[throwbackmuskie]

Dante Jackson also has interviewed for NKU.

[X-band '01]

St. John’s does seem to be having a bit of trouble getting a coach....perhaps all of those players leaving has something to do with that?

It has to be a sick April Fools joke that someone told them Frank Haith was available.

[joe titan]

hearing pat kelsey is a primary target for NKU. not sure that'd be a great hire. also seems like an entirely lateral move. why turn down umass and then accept nku? location?

Daddy needs the free advertising; but prolly quality of life thing.

[STL_XUfan]

It has to be a sick April Fools joke that someone told them Frank Haith was available.

Frank Haith fails his way into a raise every 3 to 4 years. Decimate Miami's program and have the NCAA breathing down your neck, how about a 50% raise from Mizzou. Fail miserably at Mizzou while committing numerous NCAA violations, well hey there Tulsa do you want to give him a $500k raise and long term deal? I have no doubt he will hoodwink St. John's or some other desperate school into an 8 year $2.5 million guaranteed deal.

If there is a hall of fame for agents then Frank's agent should be a unanimous first ballot hall of famer.

[XU 87]

hearing pat kelsey is a primary target for NKU. not sure that'd be a great hire. also seems like an entirely lateral move. why turn down umass and then accept nku? location?

He sure has made some odd career moves.

[GoMuskies]

It's relatively lateral, but I'd suspect Pat has come to the realization by this point that he's not going to be a "big time" basketball coach. If he wants to be in Cincinnati, nothing wrong with taking a lateral move to get there. Also, I think the Horizon is more mid-major and the Big South more low major. The difference isn't enormous, but NKU is playing better basketball against better conference competition than Winthrop.

[sirthought]

NKU at least has facilities that are as good or better than a lot of D1 programs. And he'd live in Metro Cincinnati versus Rock Hill, South Carolina. Some people might not like that, but I bet his overall opportunity at recruiting, a media market, setting up a solid schedule...it all improves at NKU.

[GoMuskies]

Rock Hill, SC is essentially Charlotte, FWIW. So not as bad as it sounds (to everyone but Paul!).

[paulxu]

True that. Too many cars. Waaaay too many.

[X-band '01]

One St. John's Booster Not Happy With Their Administration (https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/platform/amp/2019/4/17/18412756/st-johns-donor-mike-repole-basketball-wfan-francesca-blasts-administration?utm_campaign=rumbleinthegarden&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true)

Have fun cleaning this mess up, Johnnies.

[Lloyd Braun]

St. John’s is officially a dumpster fire as Cluess withdraws name.

How much money do they have to offer? When does slick Rick get a call?

[noteggs]

Looks like UCLA part deux and the Johnnies are going to have settle for someone like Cronin.

[GoMuskies]

They're going to get someone WAY, WAY worse than Cronin.

[drudy23]

I hear Nick Van Exel is looking for a job.

[muskiefan82]

This might sound crazy, but wouldn't this be a good opportunity for Thad if he really does want to coach again? You could be a hero if you get it to work and if it doesn't, you have built in scapegoats in the administration that has already been called out rather publicly.

[drudy23]

This might sound crazy, but wouldn't this be a good opportunity for Thad if he really does want to coach again? You could be a hero if you get it to work and if it doesn't, you have built in scapegoats in the administration that has already been called out rather publicly.

At this point, if he had any interest at all, he'd be hired on the spot and could demand any salary he wanted.

[Muskie]

At this point, if he had any interest at all, he'd be hired on the spot and could demand any salary he wanted.

Thad would be an excellent hire. But it sounds like that's too much of a simple solution for the Johnnies.

This is a bad look from the Big East when a coach from the MVC and American East conferences are both not interested in what should be a premium spot.

[Muskie]

Cluess has said no to St. John's. (link (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26551429/iona-cluess-latest-turn-st-johns))

[sirthought]

Matta would be a great hire for them and he could likely turn things around in shorter time than someone less known as a head coach.

[scoscox]

I’m getting tired of hearing people say “Matta would be a great hire” for every job that opens. No he wouldn’t. He has dropfoot and serious nerve damage. Thad is never going to be an elite coach again. Please stop. There’s a reason he isn’t being hired or even contacted by anyone

[XUOWNSUC]

I’m getting tired of hearing people say “Matta would be a great hire” for every job that opens. No he wouldn’t. He has dropfoot and serious nerve damage. Thad is never going to be an elite coach again. Please stop. There’s a reason he isn’t being hired or even contacted by anyone

He was contacted by at least 3 teams last year.

[drudy23]

And in the context of the St Johns mess, he'd be the best available by far.

[scoscox]

He was contacted by at least 3 teams last year.

he was contacted by three teams because he needed to make an attempt to look for a job to get his buyout from ohio state. he isn't seriously looking for a job

[scoscox]

And in the context of the St Johns mess, he'd be the best available by far.

no he isn't. the guy can barely put his own shoes on. his best days are behind him. pitino is by far the best available coach.

[drudy23]

I'd take Matta over some of the names they're talking about at SJU right now. So would you.

[scoscox]

maybe a few of them? but they have the advantage of not being physically disabled, so probably not. besides the fact that thad isn't looking for a job and wouldn't accept the job.

[bleedXblue]

No one wants to work for that shit show. It will be 2 years of losing at a high rate.......

[bjf123]

When does slick Rick get a call?

I’ll bet that’s getting serious consideration.


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[JTG]

Hire Rick, think of how much fun the other 9 student sections would have when the Johnnies visit. Plus he would probably make them win at some point.

[bleedXblue]

I’ll bet that’s getting serious consideration.


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He's demanding an apology before he would consider...........something about his dignity and reputation being compromised. You cant make this shit up......

[bjf123]

He's demanding an apology before he would consider...........something about his dignity and reputation being compromised. You cant make this shit up......

Maybe I’m a little dense, but an apology from whom? Louisville? The NCAA?


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[bleedXblue]

Maybe I’m a little dense, but an apology from whom? Louisville? The NCAA?


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https://sports.yahoo.com/rick-pitino-says-he-would-revitalize-st-johns-basketball-but-wants-an-apology-first-161213726.html

[xubrew]

https://sports.yahoo.com/rick-pitino-says-he-would-revitalize-st-johns-basketball-but-wants-an-apology-first-161213726.html

Wow! This is a unique combination of being utterly ridiculous, but at the same time not at all surprising! Thank you for sharing!!

[Masterofreality]

Welp. St. Johns has their coach. Actually may not be a bad hire--that is IF he gets a couple of assistants that know and can work the New York City area. It's a jungle in there. That's why The Desert Raccoon had Book to navigate it...that is until Book got caught with his hand in the Addidas jar.
They could have done a damn site worse. Anderson has brought numerous teams to the Tournament.

[Xville]

Welp. St. Johns has their coach. Actually may not be a bad hire--that is IF he gets a couple of assistants that know and can work the New York City area. It's a jungle in there. That's why The Desert Raccoon had Book to navigate it...that is until Book got caught with his hand in the Addidas jar.
They could have done a damn site worse. Anderson has brought numerous teams to the Tournament.

I think he will be fine because he doesnt rely on the big time kids, just ones that will fit the system.

[Xavgrad08]

Darrin Horn hired at NKU. Pat Kelsey still at Winthrop.

[Juice]

Darrin Horn hired at NKU. Pat Kelsey still at Winthrop.

Did Kelsey pull a Kelsey again?

[sirthought]

He did! Man, I don't understand what's up with that guy. He's a good coach, but can't seem to control what's happening on the business side.

[XU 87]

He did! Man, I don't understand what's up with that guy. He's a good coach, but can't seem to control what's happening on the business side.

What happened this time?

[GIMMFD]

He did! Man, I don't understand what's up with that guy. He's a good coach, but can't seem to control what's happening on the business side.

Didn't he meet with them and everything?? What a strange strange man...

[XUGRAD80]

Didn't he meet with them and everything?? What a strange strange man...

Reported in the local news that he met with reps from NKU in Atlanta, on Tuesday. Same reports didn’t even mention Horn as a possibility.

But Horn does have deep ties to Kentucky as a player and coach, and does have head coaching experience. He was very successful as the HC at Western Ky. University, where he also played. From Glasgow, Kentucky.





Speaking of WKU.......anyone else notice that they are suddenly getting 4 stars and even a 5 star recruit to go there? And others to visit? I’ve been there, my daughter went there for a semester. It’s a nice school in a very small town. About and hour north of Nashville and 2 hours south of Louisville. There’s the Corvette factory and Museum there. Mammoth Cave National Park is 1/2 hour away. It’s got a good brewery and a decent steak place. It’s not a bad little town. But, it’s Conference USA, no TV to speak of, not in a major city, in a very rural area of the country. I have to really question just why these players are all of a sudden finding their way there? Something doesn’t smell right.

[JTG]

Someone is flashing the Benjamins would be my guess.

[Xville]

Reported in the local news that he met with reps from NKU in Atlanta, on Tuesday. Same reports didn’t even mention Horn as a possibility.

But Horn does have deep ties to Kentucky as a player and coach, and does have head coaching experience. He was very successful as the HC at Western Ky. University, where he also played. From Glasgow, Kentucky.





Speaking of WKU.......anyone else notice that they are suddenly getting 4 stars and even a 5 star recruit to go there? And others to visit? I’ve been there, my daughter went there for a semester. It’s a nice school in a very small town. About and hour north of Nashville and 2 hours south of Louisville. There’s the Corvette factory and Museum there. Mammoth Cave National Park is 1/2 hour away. It’s got a good brewery and a decent steak place. It’s not a bad little town. But, it’s Conference USA, no TV to speak of, not in a major city, in a very rural area of the country. I have to really question just why these players are all of a sudden finding their way there? Something doesn’t smell right.

Because Stansbury the coach and everyone knows he cheats his rear end off. He put Miss St. on the map, Texas A&M had a top 10 recruiting class while he was the assistant there, and now...WKU. The guy is really good at cheating, so good he has never been caught even though everyone knows he does it.

[GoMuskies]

WKU is also an under the radar top 25 basketball program all-time. Not that it matters much anymore what E.A. Diddle did there 50 or 60 years ago (or Clem Haskins or Ralph Willard in more recent times).

[Masterofreality]

WKU is also an under the radar top 25 basketball program all-time. Not that it matters much anymore what E.A. Diddle did there 50 or 60 years ago (or Clem Haskins or Ralph Willard in more recent times).

It means as much as SucKS ancient history, or CCNY’s.

[throwbackmuskie]

Such a horrible hire for NKU.

[chico]

Reported in the local news that he met with reps from NKU in Atlanta, on Tuesday. Same reports didn’t even mention Horn as a possibility.

But Horn does have deep ties to Kentucky as a player and coach, and does have head coaching experience. He was very successful as the HC at Western Ky. University, where he also played. From Glasgow, Kentucky.





Speaking of WKU.......anyone else notice that they are suddenly getting 4 stars and even a 5 star recruit to go there? And others to visit? I’ve been there, my daughter went there for a semester. It’s a nice school in a very small town. About and hour north of Nashville and 2 hours south of Louisville. There’s the Corvette factory and Museum there. Mammoth Cave National Park is 1/2 hour away. It’s got a good brewery and a decent steak place. It’s not a bad little town. But, it’s Conference USA, no TV to speak of, not in a major city, in a very rural area of the country. I have to really question just why these players are all of a sudden finding their way there? Something doesn’t smell right.

The Bowling Green exit also has two Waffle Houses - a big plus in my book, but I'm probably not the type of athlete they're looking to recruit.

[bjf123]

The Bowling Green exit also has two Waffle Houses - a big plus in my book, but I'm probably not the type of athlete they're looking to recruit.

Scattered, smothered, covered, chunked. Can’t beat it.


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[Xavgrad08]

Looks like the Kelsey to NKU deal fell apart because of a buyout. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/2019/04/24/pat-kelsey-northern-kentucky-winthrop-nku/3560413002/

[noteggs]

Looks like the Kelsey to NKU deal fell apart because of a buyout. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/2019/04/24/pat-kelsey-northern-kentucky-winthrop-nku/3560413002/

Thanks for sharing! Buyout from Winthrop? Kelsey was making $270,000 at the school so how much could’ve been? Brannen was making $400,000 so can’t imagine buyout plus salary would be a problem. Sure schools like NKU have limited budget but it would be interesting to see what Horn got paid.

[SM#24]

I read it to mean the issue was the buyout Kelsey would have to pay to leave NKU

[noteggs]

After reading again, you are correct and thanks for clarification. Wonder what that would’ve been?

[joe titan]

I read it to mean the issue was the buyout Kelsey would have to pay to leave NKU

So Kelsey believed that a big buyout number could stifle chance at his next (?) coaching opportunity ? Seems quite incredulously naïve not to understand if he would find a better gig almost always the buyout is either paid by the new school/boosters (if they really really want to hire him) or negotiated by the new employer w/NKU to include scheduling games or other consideration.

[SM#24]

I was surprised as well that was the reason.

[GIMMFD]

Because Stansbury the coach and everyone knows he cheats his rear end off. He put Miss St. on the map, Texas A&M had a top 10 recruiting class while he was the assistant there, and now...WKU. The guy is really good at cheating, so good he has never been caught even though everyone knows he does it.

I'd never want X to cheat like that, but must say, gotta respect the hustle of Stansbury, so good that he can't get caught even with ALL of this going on against him. Probably the 2 year retirement period or whatever, shameful he isn't that great of a coach to put it all together, but still respect the hustle.

[bjf123]

So Kelsey believed that a big buyout number could stifle chance at his next (?) coaching opportunity ? Seems quite incredulously naïve not to understand if he would find a better gig almost always the buyout is either paid by the new school/boosters (if they really really want to hire him) or negotiated by the new employer w/NKU to include scheduling games or other consideration.

After this and what happened at UMass, is Kelsey shooting himself in the foot for future HC consideration?


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[GoMuskies]

After this and what happened at UMass, is Kelsey shooting himself in the foot for future HC consideration?


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Pretty sure he's already shot off both feet on that score. He's going to need an absurd run at Winthrop to be considered for a head coaching job above the MAC level at this point.

[GoMuskies]

Beilein is taking the Cavs' job. At this late stage, I assume that means Michigan is stuck with his top assistant.

[muskiefan82]

Beilein is taking the Cavs' job. At this late stage, I assume that means Michigan is stuck with his top assistant.

Wow. That is a little bit of a shocker to me.

[X-band '01]

Beilein also interviewed for the Pistons' job last year. In this instance, though, one of his former West Virginia players (Mike Gansey) happens to be the current GM in Cleveland.

[Lloyd Braun]

Beilein also interviewed for the Pistons' job last year. In this instance, though, one of his former West Virginia players (Mike Gansey) happens to be the current GM in Cleveland.

Koby Altman is still the GM as far as I know (Cavs change every 3 years) but Gansey is on staff and likely had some input.

[Xavgrad08]

Beilein is a heck of a coach. Michigan made the national title game twice in his twelve years there.

[Xville]

Chris webber to Michigan you heard it here first.

Just kidding but that would be awesome.

[SM#24]

Beilein is taking the Cavs' job. At this late stage, I assume that means Michigan is stuck with his top assistant.

Not necessarily, it's still earlier than when Thad left for Ohio St.

[bjf123]

Chris Mullins is available.


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[GetUp5]

Chris Mullins is available.


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Who is Chris Mullins?

[muskiefan82]

If I were Michigan I would interview Pat Kelsey just to see what other reasons he has in his pocket not to take a job.

[Muskie]

just so i can watch UCLA implode, I hope it's someone that passed them over...

[GoMuskies]

If I were Michigan I would interview Pat Kelsey just to see what other reasons he has in his pocket not to take a job.

Would be just their luck that he'd call their bluff!

At some point the good folks in Rock Hill, SC might just invite Mr. Kelsey to stay gone if he continues to accept other jobs and then comes crawling back to them.

[surfxu]

just so i can watch UCLA implode, I hope it's someone that passed them over...

Now that would be really funny... Maybe only thing funnier would be Mack to Michigan... the loserville assclowns would lose their minds. Of course Mack would need to take a 50% pay cut because Christy would be getting half of it as she raises the kids in her parents back yard.

[GIMMFD]

Beilein also interviewed for the Pistons' job last year. In this instance, though, one of his former West Virginia players (Mike Gansey) happens to be the current GM in Cleveland.

Assistant GM to Koby Altman, but man, Gansey was on a special WVU team with Pittsnoggle, Herber, etc. The move makes sense, I thought he was a college lifer, but getting a nice little paycheck closer to retirement, Cleveland is a bit closer to his son too who got the Niagra job this off-season, and they're giving him some decent roster control. I like Beilein, I think he's a helluva coach, and his teams are fun to watch offensively, he was also getting a bit frustrated with recruiting towards the end of his tenure, so it all kind of makes sense to me.

[Xavgrad08]

Assistant GM to Koby Altman, but man, Gansey was on a special WVU team with Pittsnoggle, Herber, etc. The move makes sense, I thought he was a college lifer, but getting a nice little paycheck closer to retirement, Cleveland is a bit closer to his son too who got the Niagra job this off-season, and they're giving him some decent roster control. I like Beilein, I think he's a helluva coach, and his teams are fun to watch offensively, he was also getting a bit frustrated with recruiting towards the end of his tenure, so it all kind of makes sense to me.

That WVU team was fun to watch. They ran Beilein’s offense with such precision and could shoot the three. Beilein is a very good coach that has certainly paid his dues. He has coached his way up the ladder and won at all the stops. Two national title game appearances at Michigan is impressive. One of those loses was to Louisville. Twelve years is a long time at one stop in the coaching profession. Cleveland is certainly in rebuilding mode, so I am glad he got a long contract.

[Lloyd Braun]

Cavs are still paying Mike Brown.... seriously.

[bjf123]

Who is Chris Mullins?

Autocorrect got me.


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[Muskie]

Here is a list of 9. These seem more realistic than what I saw before (Link (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/candidates-michigan-john-beilein-head-coach/l5rhswte6x3c1l9lu2xt30rme)).

[GoMuskies]

Here is a list of 9. These seem more realistic than what I saw before (Link (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/candidates-michigan-john-beilein-head-coach/l5rhswte6x3c1l9lu2xt30rme)).

I can only imagine the meltdown among the 8 Michigan fans who actually care about basketball if they hired Mark Schmidt!

[GIMMFD]

I can only imagine the meltdown among the 8 Michigan fans who actually care about basketball if they hired Mark Schmidt!

Kind of weird considering they are a very solid basketball program, losing twice in the National Championship hurts, but getting there is impressive in it's own right, you'd think they'd really have a great fan base for basketball, but I guess football will always reign king, especially with the Harbaugh love.

As for the list, I don't think they'll hire Ed Cooley, but that'd be interesting, he's been established at Providence forever though, wonder if he'd leave for the pay raise that Michigan can offer, I personally don't see it. Kevin Willard is a solid coach, but hasn't had much tournament success. I don't know how you don't make a decent run with that Seton Hall team a couple years back, though they did have some head cases.

Johnny Dawkins is doing some interesting things at UCF, but it seems Coach K's tree has been pretty hit or miss, however he was K's top assistant for a while, if Dawkins gets the job and keeps Michigan rolling, you'd have to think he'd be a top candidate to take over when K retires. I'll be interested more so to see if he can get into the NCAA Tournament a bit more and make a run or so.

It'll be interesting to see if Michigan goes with someone established or if they attempt to grab someone from a lower conference and roll the dice. They obviously have had pretty decent success recently, but are losing a good amount. It'll be a tough year zero, but I think that's still an attractive job even if you will always play second fiddle to football just because of the resources that Michigan possesses.

[flatspat]

Just my opinion I don't think Michigan will try another Coach K assistant.
Tommy Amaker didn't have much success there

[scoscox]

I think cooley is more entrenched at providence than willard is at shu, but i think they're probably both loathe the leave the northeast, with the amount of recruiting ties they have there.

[smileyy]

The word I heard is that Beilein hated recruiting. (Sorry if that already came up)

[GIMMFD]

The word I heard is that Beilein hated recruiting. (Sorry if that already came up)

True to a degree, he was tired of all his talent leaving early too, I think with Jordan Poole and a couple other guys gone, he knew next year was a rebuild. Unfortunately for college coaches in football and basketball they don't get to just focus on coaching, they have to be salesmen as well, playing nice with boosters, recruiting, etc. I will say though, one thing I appreciated about Beilein is that you never hear him come up in any cheating scandal, he seemed to run the program the right way, something I do admire about him.

[OH.X.MI]

I think cooley is more entrenched at providence than willard is at shu, but i think they're probably both loathe the leave the northeast, with the amount of recruiting ties they have there.

Well, UofM's student body is like 75% Jewish kids from NYC, Boston, DC. Could bring those recruiting ties with them.

[murray87]

Cooley is reported to have interviewed for the Michigan job. Juan Howard also expected to speak with them.

[Muskie]

Cooley has received an extension and a raise.

[GIMMFD]

Cooley is reported to have interviewed for the Michigan job. Juan Howard also expected to speak with them.

Jeeze, looks like all kinds of former players are getting chances at schools, Stackhouse at Vandy, Penny at Memphis, interesting to see really.

[GoMuskies]

Jeeze, looks like all kinds of former players are getting chances at schools, Stackhouse at Vandy, Penny at Memphis, interesting to see really.

There was an interesting article on ESPN.com about the playing careers of all 68 coaches in the NCAA Tournament. Bottom line: most good coaches were kind of shitty players.

[smileyy]

I read somewhere that there's 10 guys who were in NBA Jam at some point who are coaching at the college level.

[xavierj]

There was an interesting article on ESPN.com about the playing careers of all 68 coaches in the NCAA Tournament. Bottom line: most good coaches were kind of shitty players.

Most likely the shitty players have a chip on their shoulder and are still trying to reach the top. Those that reached the top probably have lost the edge. I could be wrong but probably not far off.

[GIMMFD]

I read somewhere that there's 10 guys who were in NBA Jam at some point who are coaching at the college level.

Damn 10?? Patrick Ewing, Danny Manning, Penny Hardaway are the only ones I can think of off the top of the head.

EDIT: Dan Majerle too

[smileyy]

Ah, found it:

https://twitter.com/TroyMachir/status/1130898885436760064

[STL_XUfan]

Most likely the shitty players have a chip on their shoulder and are still trying to reach the top. Those that reached the top probably have lost the edge. I could be wrong but probably not far off.
Or spent enough time on the bench that they picked up a thing or two.

[xudash]

Or spent enough time on the bench that they picked up a thing or two.

...or picked up a thing or two while on the bench with a chip on their shoulder. (SORRY!)

[muskiefan82]

But can any of them coach off of one foot?

[Muskie]

Juwan Howard going to get 2mil from Michigan.

[XU 87]

Former NBA players with no head coaching experience coming back to coach their alma mater seems to be a trend (Mullin, Ewing and now this.)

[GoMuskies]

Drexler = bad
Mullin = pretty bad
Ewing = Seems okay for now
Penny = Smashing success
Howard = ???

[X-band '01]

Ewing and Howard may not have had head coaching experience entering their jobs, but they were still assistants (albeit at the NBA level). Mullin was strictly a front-office guy without ANY coaching experience until St. John's and it showed. Georgetown is headed in the right direction, but they have to curb their addiction to the OOC creampuff cart.

By the same token, Howard is walking into the most stable situation of the five programs that Go listed above.

[XU 87]

Drexler = bad
Mullin = pretty bad
Ewing = Seems okay for now
Penny = Smashing success
Howard = ???

Penny has been a recruiting success. No doubt. But let's see if that translates on the court.

Drexler was a disaster when he returned to Houston.

I think Hoiberg had zero coaching experience when he returned to Iowa State. That one worked out pretty well.

[xeus]

Former NBA players with no head coaching experience coming back to coach their alma mater seems to be a trend (Mullin, Ewing and now this.)

And if anyone cared about Kenyon Martin's opinion, we might have seen Nick Van Exel at UC. That would have been fun to watch.

[GoMuskies]

I think Hoiberg had zero coaching experience when he returned to Iowa State. That one worked out pretty well.

I thought about including Hoiberg, but he really shouldn't be included in a conversation around guys like Penny, Drexler, Mullin, Ewing and Howard when it comes to their NBA careers IMO. Honestly, Howard is only marginally in the same conversation.

[GIMMFD]

I thought about including Hoiberg, but he really shouldn't be included in a conversation around guys like Penny, Drexler, Mullin, Ewing and Howard when it comes to their NBA careers IMO. Honestly, Howard is only marginally in the same conversation.

Howard was pretty good his first 10-15 years, than the last few he was just seen as an older player giving wisdom, has two rings, and over 16,000 career points, definitely marginally in the conversation but still someone players can look at and be like "damn this guy was pretty good," in my opinion. I think the biggest thing will be how he fills his staff out, I think his first act should be trying to secure Yaklich to stay as he's a good recruiter, and a good defensive mind, then we'll see what other pieces line up. I think it's an interesting move, I read an Athletic article that said the choices after Howard were Williard and Martin from South Carolina. I think Howard has potential to have a pretty high ceiling due to name recognition and being on teams with LeBron, Wade, etc. The no experience thing is going to be an interesting aspect but if he can delegate with the proper staff I could see it being successful for Michigan.

EDIT: I also didn't realize Aaron McKie is the head coach of Temple now, so that's Penny, Ewing, Howard, McKie, Majerle, Stackhouse all former NBA players that are head coaches at D1 institutions, it's kind of crazy to see so many people I've seen play in the NBA actually coaching college ball now, is this what getting older feels like??

[GoMuskies]

is this what getting older feels like??

Sort of. When those guys start dying regularly, that's what getting older REALLY feels like.

[scoscox]

Howard was pretty good his first 10-15 years, than the last few he was just seen as an older player giving wisdom, has two rings, and over 16,000 career points, definitely marginally in the conversation but still someone players can look at and be like "damn this guy was pretty good," in my opinion. I think the biggest thing will be how he fills his staff out, I think his first act should be trying to secure Yaklich to stay as he's a good recruiter, and a good defensive mind, then we'll see what other pieces line up. I think it's an interesting move, I read an Athletic article that said the choices after Howard were Williard and Martin from South Carolina. I think Howard has potential to have a pretty high ceiling due to name recognition and being on teams with LeBron, Wade, etc. The no experience thing is going to be an interesting aspect but if he can delegate with the proper staff I could see it being successful for Michigan.

EDIT: I also didn't realize Aaron McKie is the head coach of Temple now, so that's Penny, Ewing, Howard, McKie, Majerle, Stackhouse all former NBA players that are head coaches at D1 institutions, it's kind of crazy to see so many people I've seen play in the NBA actually coaching college ball now, is this what getting older feels like??

also, howard being a part of the fab five gives him a lot of cultural cache, like penny, with the younger players that ewing, mullin, etc don't have.

[Muskie]

also, howard being a part of the fab five gives him a lot of cultural cache, like penny, with the younger players that ewing, mullin, etc don't have.

I'd rather play for Ewing than Howard.

[GIMMFD]

Sort of. When those guys start dying regularly, that's what getting older REALLY feels like.

Oof lol that turned dark!


I'd rather play for Ewing than Howard.

Though I'm sure many would agree, I think Scoscox is right about the cultural aspect, the 30 for 30 showed The Fab Five as sort of "bad boys" which I think is something recruits these days can really relate to, I could definitely see Howard being more of a hit like Penny is, even though Ewing is an absolute legend.

[xavier513]

also, howard being a part of the fab five gives him a lot of cultural cache, like penny, with the younger players that ewing, mullin, etc don't have.

Y'all ever seen Space Jam?

[scoscox]

yea, ewing's in it for about 15 seconds.

also, i think i focused too much on the cultural thing there. penny is having success because he's cashing in on a personal relationship with the #1 prospect in the country. i don't think it's any deeper than that really

[GoMuskies]

I think Penny's got many personal relationships in one of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country. That's not going to dissipate when James Wiseman has finished his one year. Now, if this season goes wrong and Wiseman appears to have a bad experience, that's going to cause him issues with future players like that.

[scoscox]

I think Penny's got many personal relationships in one of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country. That's not going to dissipate when James Wiseman has finished his one year. Now, if this season goes wrong and Wiseman appears to have a bad experience, that's going to cause him issues with future players like that.

agreed. and you're probably right about the connections, but i only mean that with regard to the stars aligning for this monster class. he is particularly fortunate to have coached the #1 player in the class and was able to recruit other talent based on that. i don't expect recruiting to fall off a cliff just that it probably won't be at that level.

[GIMMFD]

agreed. and you're probably right about the connections, but i only mean that with regard to the stars aligning for this monster class. he is particularly fortunate to have coached the #1 player in the class and was able to recruit other talent based on that. i don't expect recruiting to fall off a cliff just that it probably won't be at that level.

AAU connections are important, that's for sure, I think if this monster class leads to some solid success, the recruiting will stay pretty high and competitive, do I expect it to beat Duke and UK year in and year out? Absolutely not. Another thing to consider is that Derrick Rose also went to Memphis, he's just as much a "cultural" legend in the eyes of recruits. I don't really think you oversold the cultural thing, I think it is prominent, and it does play a part in it. Just so happens that Penny has a lot of AAU connections as well.

[GoMuskies]

Oof lol that turned dark!


I'm fairly certain Bill Buckner died today just to prove my point.