Nit

[xu koop scoop]

Hope we make NIT. The Grad Transfers will get up for it. Should we win it that's a huge Springboard to next year for our Core Returnees. I winter in Fla & return to Cincy Mar 21. I would happily buy tix if they have a home game upon return.

[xukeith]

Hope we make NIT. The Grad Transfers will get up for it. Should we win it that's a huge Springboard to next year for our Core Returnees. I winter in Fla & return to Cincy Mar 21. I would happily buy tix if they have a home game upon return.

X is a secure invitation to the NIT.
I think the players really enjoy each other and want to play because they know their style is good and they can beat anyone.
Next year, it will take those frosh a long time to learn D1 defense.

[GIMMFD]

Yeah, I'd have to say that the NIT is a sure thing. We'll probably get a home game and be seeded decently high, they could definitely win the NIT. They came together and are playing great basketball right now. I don't know how long it'll take the Frosh to learn defense next year, but I'm glad we're getting some more practices in and chances to improve heading forward for the future. NIT isn't ideal, but after where we were and what they did to storm back to being this close to the NCAA Tournament, I'm pretty okay with having more X basketball. Future is bright!

[SemajParlor]

When is the last time X played in the NIT?

[scoscox]

2000

[whopper]

when I look at the teams that will be in the NIT I see some good Big Ten, SEC, ACC teams that took the Michigan, No Carolina, Kentucky to the limit all year. There will be no walkovers. Also a few ticked off smaller teams with a chip on their shoulder. As a real fan, it should be good. As a player, it will be a challenge. In fact if I see a Duke, Mich St, Kentucky, Mich final 4(large schools with no underdog story) it will be boring. I don't see any of the big East teams getting into the second week.

[XUGRAD80]

The way X plays defense, they can play with anyone. The way they go into funks offensively, they can lose to almost anyone.

But it will come down to effort and desire. So many of the teams that play in the NIT go into it with a “so what” attitude and really have no desire to be there. Teams that go into it with something to prove tend to achieve more. Xavier has been playing hard in each of the games in the last month +. I’m sure the seniors will all be excited to play in the post season. Jones, Naji, and Q all have something to prove after the last couple of games. It could be fun!

[Xville]

when I look at the teams that will be in the NIT I see some good Big Ten, SEC, ACC teams that took the Michigan, No Carolina, Kentucky to the limit all year. There will be no walkovers. Also a few ticked off smaller teams with a chip on their shoulder. As a real fan, it should be good. As a player, it will be a challenge. In fact if I see a Duke, Mich St, Kentucky, Mich final 4(large schools with no underdog story) it will be boring. I don't see any of the big East teams getting into the second week.

I see seton hall as a very possible elite eight team depending on matchups. They play defense, have already beaten kentucky...they are the team I think who could make some noise.

[MHettel]

SILVER LINING TO A TRANSITION SEASON....

NIT Invite, with a home game....against Arizona. Beat Miller, in his last game as AZ Coach. Id make some Skyline for that one.

[GIMMFD]

SILVER LINING TO A TRANSITION SEASON....

NIT Invite, with a home game....against Arizona. Beat Miller, in his last game as AZ Coach. Id make some Skyline for that one.

Poetic justice almost. I would bet a lot of money that would sell out Cintas quite easily. When do the NIT brackets release? After the selection show immediately right?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Poetic justice almost. I would bet a lot of money that would sell out Cintas quite easily. When do the NIT brackets release? After the selection show immediately right?

I think Sunday evening some time because I believe games start Tuesday.

If we get a 2 seed we'd be guaranteed 2 home games (with wins of course). 3 or 4 seed we'd get at least one. Definitely would love to cheer this team on at home one last time.

If we gotta be in it might as well win it.

[GIMMFD]

I think Sunday evening some time because I believe games start Tuesday.

If we get a 2 seed we'd be guaranteed 2 home games (with wins of course). 3 or 4 seed we'd get at least one. Definitely would love to cheer this team on at home one last time.

If we gotta be in it might as well win it.

Thanks brotha! Amen to that about winning, I'd love to see a top 2 seed, which I think is possible with the way we closed out the season. I'm excited for more basketball, and wish I could be in Cintas for it, but either way, I'm hoping we have a strong NIT showing to propel us into an even better showing next year, and back to where we belong.

[XfansinKy]

X is a secure invitation to the NIT.
I think the players really enjoy each other and want to play because they know their style is good and they can beat anyone.
Next year, it will take those frosh a long time to learn D1 defense.

I agree. Xavier is a matchup nightmare when Naji and Wely are making 3pt shots and consequently spreading the floor. I don't think it would be a shock to see them get back to NYC. I agree with the freshman having to take time adjusting to D1 level athleticism too. The jump from a good 4 star recruit to a 5 star potential NBA draft type athlete is HUGE.

[whopper]

ESPNU Sunday at 8:30 NIT selection. Hoping for good news in selection and seeding. There are many good teams that won't be in the big dance. Was in NYC Friday and damn. Samuels lucky 3 was the story and probably a block on Gillespie at end which of course is a screw job but 90% of time the ref will make the one call that won't decide the game. For 30 seconds I thought Gillespie would be shooting but must not be sure of that rule.

[Caveat]

Poetic justice almost. I would bet a lot of money that would sell out Cintas quite easily. When do the NIT brackets release? After the selection show immediately right?

No one gives a damn about the NIT — it’s literally a losers bracket. Unless tickets are BOGO or discounted, I’d be shocked if they sell a game out.

[XUGRAD80]

No one gives a damn about the NIT — it’s literally a losers bracket. Unless tickets are BOGO or discounted, I’d be shocked if they sell a game out.

Then you can call me Mr. NoOne.....because if Xavier is playing, then I give a damn.

I don’t live and die based on how Xavier does, but I try to watch every game that I can.

[usfldan]

Some NIT predictions I could find. Most just list seeds, only one showed matchups:

https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/
(last updated 3/17)
#3 seed (Furman, Lipscomb, Texas, Xavier)
#6 seeds are Providence, Wichita St., San Francisco, and Hofstra

https://ncaabasketballpredictions.blogspot.com/2019/03/nit-310.html
(last updated 3/10)
#5 seed (Butler, Xavier, Providence, South Carolina)
#4 seeds are St.Mary's, Arkansas, Dayton, and Memphis

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/3/16/18268487/nitology-nit-bid-projection-bracket-2019-utah-valley-unc-greensboro
(last updated 3/16)
#3 seed vs. #6 San Francisco
(other 3s are Georgetown, Nebraska, and Lipscomb)
(other 6s are Hofstra, Utah Valley, and ETSU)

[SkyWalker]

Here's one I found.

John Templon
‏

Welcome to Selection Sunday. This is where my NIT bracket stands as we start the day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D11cv51WwAIOgBp.jpg


Another President in attendance.

[paulxu]

No one gives a damn about the NIT — it’s literally a losers bracket. Unless tickets are BOGO or discounted, I’d be shocked if they sell a game out.

If X plays Dayton at the Cintas, it'll sell out. Maybe mostly Fayers, but it'll sell out.

[vee4xu]

Playing in the NIT makes the most sense. This team didn't blow out anyone in the home OOC schedule and lost (rather convincingly) to Bucky Badger at home. They lost a huge lead to San Diego in the holiday tourney, then came the six game losing streak. Finally, they put everything together and are playing very respectably right now. The team isn't good enough to compete well in the NCAA, despite this late season run. I think losing that 7 point lead with less than 4 minutes vs Villanova suggests they still are not able to overcome some deficiencies to the point where you could say X makes a run in the NCAA tourney. So, the NIT seems like a good way to get more playing team in a year where there were more downs than ups, but the ups make it worth while to play at some level. And, I agree, the grad transfers would have loved being in the NCAA, but post season basketball will be fun at this level. I say this level because last year Hankins' team won the DII title, so he has that experience. By tonight, we should know who they play and where in the NIT.

[stammina0721]

No one gives a damn about the NIT — it’s literally a losers bracket. Unless tickets are BOGO or discounted, I’d be shocked if they sell a game out.

Speak for yourself. The NIT is not the goal but it's far from irrelevant. I'll gladly be watching and following as long as X is involved

[OTRMUSKIE]

Anyone who won’t watch x in the NIT please stop rooting for them forever. We don’t need fans like you. Also GFYS

[OTRMUSKIE]

New changes in the NIT this year
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/rules-regulations/nit-to-experiment-with-possible-basketball-rule-changes.html

[xukeith]

Speak for yourself. The NIT is not the goal but it's far from irrelevant. I'll gladly be watching and following as long as X is involved

This season is different. X did not crash and burn and limp into the BE. They finished red hot. X and young coaching staff will be better playing more teams with different skills.

Sowing seeds plus recruiting more solid players (Gifted).

[Xville]

Anyone who won’t watch x in the NIT please stop rooting for them forever. We don’t need fans like you. Also GFYS

Fans telling other fans how they should be a fan, act, or feel is awesome.

[stammina0721]

So how long before FCC falls victim to the Cincinnati curse like every other team in this city

[OTRMUSKIE]

Fans telling other fans how they should be a fan, act, or feel is awesome.

Correct. So many babies on here crying.

[Xville]

Correct. So many babies on here crying.

It's more of some fans feeling that the nit is stupid and meaningless which is an opinion to have and those fans can do what they wish with the nit. Telling them they should no longer be fans if they feel that way and dont want to watch, is the baby crying.

[bobbiemcgee]

I will watch the NIT. Broke my coffee table on the Hankins FT miss. Sorry. Bad Sport.

[OTRMUSKIE]

It's more of some fans feeling that the nit is stupid and meaningless which is an opinion to have and those fans can do what they wish with the nit. Telling them they should no longer be fans if they feel that way and dont want to watch, is the baby crying.

Nope it’s fans who are babies and thinks X is too good for the NIT, once again they can GFTS

[OTRMUSKIE]

X is playing VD at the tas. 4/5seed the committee will do that. The students better get caught up on the history

[kane79]

It's more of some fans feeling that the nit is stupid and meaningless which is an opinion to have and those fans can do what they wish with the nit. Telling them they should no longer be fans if they feel that way and dont want to watch, is the baby crying.

it just comes across as well we're not in the ncaa field so I'm done for the year which sounds a lot more like a bandwagon fan then a real fan.

[bjf123]

X is playing VD at the tas. 4/5seed the committee will do that. The students better get caught up on the history

Don’t want to see that.


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[whopper]

I will make sure my daughters and friends are there even if I have to subsidize it. The team and grad transfers deserve it. There will be teams in there that beat many top 10 teams and will be a great barometer for next year for our "core 4" and a final shot for the great grad transfers. If they make NYC I would not miss it.

[xu82]

I will make sure my daughters and friends are there even if I have to subsidize it. The team and grad transfers deserve it. There will be teams in there that beat many top 10 teams and will be a great barometer for next year for our "core 4" and a final shot for the great grad transfers. If they make NYC I would not miss it.

I do LOVE your commitment! While we are at it, I am also available for financial support. I understand if First Class flights are not in the budget, but coach is fine and I will attend and be as loud as possible. This may also require a beverage subsidy.

[Lloyd Braun]

I don’t want UD though I’m sure there’s a good reason it happens.

I will guess Colorado.

[GoMuskies]

UD would suck. Definitely don't want to put that streak on the line in the friggin NIT.

[fellahmuskie]

I would love Dayton at home. Yeah, I'd be a nervous wreck, but that would be super entertaining.

[fellahmuskie]

Then we need an all Big East final four

[whopper]

I do LOVE your commitment! While we are at it, I am also available for financial support. I understand if First Class flights are not in the budget, but coach is fine and I will attend and be as loud as possible. This may also require a beverage subsidy.
they did get 2 student season tix for Christmas but I had to make sure they went to every game just like they went to 10 PM Sunday Mass at Bellarmine(ha). They can't be too much and it is a great experience.

[GIMMFD]

UD would suck. Definitely don't want to put that streak on the line in the friggin NIT.

I'd expect Steele to give the guys a run down on what that rivalry traditional meant, and definitely try to keep them focused. We'd crush them at home, non-issue for me. Jimmy Carter.

[muskiefan82]

I'd rather draw wright state just because it would annoy Dayton even though Wright St. is pretty good

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

they did get 2 student season tix for Christmas but I had to make sure they went to every game just like they went to 10 PM Sunday Mass at Bellarmine(ha). They can't be too much and it is a great experience.

Student season tickets?

[Jesuit4Life]

Let's Go X

[D-West & PO-Z]

New changes in the NIT this year
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/rules-regulations/nit-to-experiment-with-possible-basketball-rule-changes.html

3 point line back another 20 inches? Yikes hope we dont shoot any.

The foul rule I think I might like.

I like the shot clock rule too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Here we go!

[BMoreX]

I'd expect Steele to give the guys a run down on what that rivalry traditional meant, and definitely try to keep them focused. We'd crush them at home, non-issue for me. Jimmy Carter.

I think Dante would also have a word or two to say...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Half the bracket done. Georgetown a 3 seed. Providence a 4 seed.

For sure we will see Creighton and X in second half of bracket. Will we see Butler as well? If so that is 9/10 BE teams in NCAA/NIT.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Toledo. Then possibly Texas. Meh.

[X Factor]

3 Seed playing at home vs Toledo...

Potential second round game at Texas

[D-West & PO-Z]

3 seed playing Toledo. Got a home game.

Butler 5 seed playing Nebraska.

Creighton a 2 seed playing Loyola.

[D-West & PO-Z]

3 Seed playing at home vs Toledo...

Potential second round game at Texas

Lets hope Texas gets beat and we could get another home game.

Did they say what day we play? I missed that.

[Lloyd Braun]

Ok... this blows. They better make the big dance next year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Game Wednesday at 7pm.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

I have no idea how to feel. Obviously I wanna continue to watch the grad transfers, but man. It's an odd feeling to be concerned and paying attention to the NIT.

[XUGRAD80]

Lets hope Texas gets beat and we could get another home game.

Did they say what day we play? I missed that.

Wednesday

Which sucks for me....it’s my wedding anniversary and I don’t think that my wife is going to accept going to the X game instead of the 4 day trip we had planned.

[Xville]

This is what it's like to be a Dayton fan....this blows.

[Lloyd Braun]

Wednesday

Which sucks for me....it’s my wedding anniversary and I don’t think that my wife is going to accept going to the X game instead of the 4 day trip we had planned.

Go on the trip... I was in the “let’s play in the NIT it’ll be fun” corner but I think I am changing my vote.... maybe it’s just the current mood of watching selection show to NCAA and then this.

[Grizzx12]

Any idea what channel its on? Wife and baby are visiting her parents that night so Ill be watching

[Lloyd Braun]

Any idea what channel its on? Wife and baby are visiting her parents that night so Ill be watching

Probably ESPN3. Just a guess based on how this season has gone...

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is what it's like to be a Dayton fan....this blows.

Yeah I tweeted that the NIT selection show was depressing and it was my first time ever watching it. But oh well, Lets go X!

[D-West & PO-Z]

any idea what channel its on? Wife and baby are visiting her parents that night so ill be watching

espn 3

[coasterville95]

So, new to this NIT thing. If I reserved my season seats for NIT is the school going to mail tickets, give me a link for print at home tickets or mobile tickets?


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[whopper]

they look like they can play and it will be a challenge. Looking at common opponents it won't be a rout but routs hardly exist anymore. College basketball is so damn great, even the NIT.

[xu82]

espn 3

Is that just streaming? I get a gazillion stations.....not sure that’s one of them.

[klark]

I don't have season tickets, anyone know when tickets will be available?

[XUGRAD80]

Go on the trip... I was in the “let’s play in the NIT it’ll be fun” corner but I think I am changing my vote.... maybe it’s just the current mood of watching selection show to NCAA and then this.

Will definitely be going on the trip. This happens every year, but it usually works out that we do the trip around the NCAA tourney. We booked this one when X was in the middle of the 6 game losing streak and post season games didn’t look like a possibility. Just means will have to be somewhere that we can pick the game up on TV or internet during that time period.

[stammina0721]

The NIT is pretty much the BET part 2. Everyone is still playing somewhere except Depaul

[X-band '01]

Little noteworthy that Toledo was the last NIT at-large to make the field here. A Xavier win should set the team up nicely in their subregion; Texas and Alabama are certainly beatable and might not even be still playing by the time they'd be matched up with Xavier.

[IM4X]

The NIT is pretty much the BET part 2. Everyone is still playing somewhere except Depaul

Would be fun to have all BE teams left at the end playing at MSG.

[D-West & PO-Z]

they look like they can play and it will be a challenge. Looking at common opponents it won't be a rout but routs hardly exist anymore. College basketball is so damn great, even the NIT.

Looks like they are reliant on 3 ball. Which may be good for us considering the 3 point line will be 20 inches further back. We better not be jacking threes. Pound the paint!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Is that just streaming? I get a gazillion stations.....not sure that’s one of them.

Yeah it is streaming. I get it because I have ESPN Insider. Not sure if there are other ways to get it?

[bjf123]

I think if you get ESPN as part of your cable package, you can get ESPN3.


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[KabeX]

I don't think this is an easy game but we should win. I would like to see the Texas match-up as they were whining about not getting in - at 16-16. My gut says we could win this thing but the disappointment on just missing the dance plays to our disadvantage. If we're all honest with ourselves, it is the Not Important Tournament so I would not be surprised if we exit early. And really I wouldn't care all that much. If I'm typing something similar this time next year then "Houston we have a problem".

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't have season tickets, anyone know when tickets will be available?

Available now. $10-$20.

[whopper]

If you have season tickets will they be good for the NIT?

[D-West & PO-Z]

If you have season tickets will they be good for the NIT?

You'd have to buy them. I think they gave an opportunity to reserve your seats in case we got a home game. But you had to purchase them.

[slysyl]

If you read your mail , you were told to order your tickets ;so they know which seats to sell to the public.

[SteveSpivery]

I've been trying to buy tickets for 20 minutes. The website sucks. I never had trouble before. It keeps telling me to activate cookies or create a new account even though I have one. If I try to create an account it tells me it is already active, but will not let me log into it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone ever sat in the lookout seats? Thinking about maybe trying those. Just not sure if I will like the view or not.

[stammina0721]

Little noteworthy that Toledo was the last NIT at-large to make the field here. A Xavier win should set the team up nicely in their subregion; Texas and Alabama are certainly beatable and might not even be still playing by the time they'd be matched up with Xavier.

This team wants to play. They knew the situation going in it's not like they feel they got screwed. I expect Hankins to be a man beast and just annihilate Toledo and Texas

[xu82]

I don't think this is an easy game but we should win. I would like to see the Texas match-up as they were whining about not getting in - at 16-16. My gut says we could win this thing but the disappointment on just missing the dance plays to our disadvantage. If we're all honest with ourselves, it is the Not Important Tournament so I would not be surprised if we exit early. And really I wouldn't care all that much. If I'm typing something similar this time next year then "Houston we have a problem".

I will pray that if we are stepping on the court, we are NOT quitting. Our kids were sports semi-studs. I never took the glory in that. In HS we had places that would not let us pay for our kids food. It was creepy. It was their thing, not OUR thing.

Having said that, I only got on either kid one time. It was just rec league, and the younger son was overmatched against an older and much larger team. They were middle school, but our team was getting routed, and it was ugly. I caught my son’s eye and said firmly (NOT yelled!) “have you quit?” He never responded, but he kicked back into gear. No shame in losing, but never quit.

He’s so awesome!

[GIMMFD]

I don't think this is an easy game but we should win. I would like to see the Texas match-up as they were whining about not getting in - at 16-16. My gut says we could win this thing but the disappointment on just missing the dance plays to our disadvantage. If we're all honest with ourselves, it is the Not Important Tournament so I would not be surprised if we exit early. And really I wouldn't care all that much. If I'm typing something similar this time next year then "Houston we have a problem".

I think Texas would be a lot of fun, this team needs practice breaking the press, Shaka is aggressive with that (well was, idk if he still is, didn't watch Texas this year), and couple that with it could be a fun "screw you" to Hayes for choosing them over us haha. I am in the same boat though, could either be very disappointed, or have the ability to make a deep NIT run, these are the cards we are dealt now, so let's take it a game at a time, and focus on Toledo first. It's not where we wanna be, but more practices, and more basketball to hold us over until next season!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think Texas would be a lot of fun, this team needs practice breaking the press, Shaka is aggressive with that (well was, idk if he still is, didn't watch Texas this year), and couple that with it could be a fun "screw you" to Hayes for choosing them over us haha. I am in the same boat though, could either be very disappointed, or have the ability to make a deep NIT run, these are the cards we are dealt now, so let's take it a game at a time, and focus on Toledo first. It's not where we wanna be, but more practices, and more basketball to hold us over until next season!!

Hayes is out for first game and most likely wont play again this year.

[Caveat]

Anyone who won’t watch x in the NIT please stop rooting for them forever. We don’t need fans like you. Also GFYS

The NIT sucks.

Accepting an invitation also means you need to win it, because the only thing more pathetic than playing in the NIT is losing in the NIT.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Yes the NIT sucks but it’s better then not playing. I have up in this team 6 weeks ago and was a little nervous about the future. Now I’m excited about the future and look forward to Hopefully 5 more games. The ones who refuse to watch please do us all a favor and stop telling us the NIT sucks. Most of us will enjoy watching our team play and GFYS

[SteveSpivery]

Wow. Here they have Toledo a half point favorite. Bet the house.
https://images.actionnetwork.com/blog/2019/03/NITBRACKET.pdf

[Joel]

The NIT is pretty much the BET part 2. Everyone is still playing somewhere except Depaul

For what it's worth, DePaul accepted a CBI invitation and will be taking on the Central Michigan Larry Austins in the first round.

[dethwing]

Wow. Here they have Toledo a half point favorite. Bet the house.
https://images.actionnetwork.com/blog/2019/03/NITBRACKET.pdf

Kenpom has Toledo about 2 points better on a neutral court. Since we're at home we should be a slight, very slight, favorite. I wouldn't go betting the house just yet.

[XUGRAD80]

At the risk of pissing someone off and getting a bad rep comment (oh no!), I’m going to guess that the very few people that keep posting that the the NIT sucks, doesn’t mean anything, and that they could care less, are “younger” folks that have grown up with X always being the top dog and always going to the NCAA tourney. That they have a feeling almost of entitlement when it comes to X basketball. That they are true fans that always back the team win or win. But I question why they feel the need, if they feel that way about it, to even click on a thread titles NIT?

I really doubt that any of the seniors are feeling like being invited to the NIT is a bother, as none of them have any real experience in a D-1 post season tourney. I can’t see them not taking this seriously. I also have the belief that Scruggs and Q are the type of competitors that can’t stand to lose even a “friendly” game of HORSE. I can’t imagine the coaching staff not being interested in doing well. I expect the team to show up.

[Xville]

At the risk of pissing someone off and getting a bad rep comment (oh no!), I’m going to guess that the very few people that keep posting that the the NIT sucks, doesn’t mean anything, and that they could care less, are “younger” folks that have grown up with X always being the top dog and always going to the NCAA tourney. That they have a feeling almost of entitlement when it comes to X basketball. That they are true fans that always back the team win or win. But I question why they feel the need, if they feel that way about it, to even click on a thread titles NIT?

I really doubt that any of the seniors are feeling like being invited to the NIT is a bother, as none of them have any real experience in a D-1 post season tourney. I can’t see them not taking this seriously. I also have the belief that Scruggs and Q are the type of competitors that can’t stand to lose even a “friendly” game of HORSE. I can’t imagine the coaching staff not being interested in doing well. I expect the team to show up.

Questioning people's fanhood, especially on people who spend time posting on a messageboard about something as trivial (in the grand scheme of life) as college basketball, is very short sighted in my opinion. I'm a pretty big Xavier fan; go to 3-4 home games a year even though I live 90 miles away, have gone to several neutral site games whether it be for early season tourneys, or the NCAA etc. and I'm sure most if not all the posters on here can say the same. And, I think the NIT sucks. Take a look at the "final four" of the NIT the last few years and tell me you want to be grouped in with those programs.

I think the NIT could provide some good experience (though I think this is way overblown) for Steele, the "core" four (mostly that they don't want to be in this position again,) and its at least 1 if not a few more games for the grad transfers. However, just because it is Xavier, doesn't mean I have to live and die with every NIT game to prove I'm a fan thru thick and thin.

[XUGRAD80]

Not questioning anyone’s “fan hood”, only questioning their experience and judgement. Obviously any team in the NIT would rather be in the NCAA tourney, and I’m sure every fan would rather see their team playing for the NCAA championship instead of the NIT championship. But that doesn’t mean that there is no value to playing in the NIT or that the players will automatically not care about playing in the NIT. Why someone would come on to a thread clearly titled about something that they don’t care about, and makes negative statements about it, I don’t get. Shows lack of judgement to me.

It comes down to the fact that ANY competition that Xavier is involved in is worth the support of the fans and the effort of the team. I don’t expect any Xavier team to go into any competition with a “I don’t care” attitude or to not give a 100% effort to succeed. As I’ve said many times, I don’t live and die with each game, each victory, each loss. The games and each season are fun, but they are just games. You give 100%, you try to win, you accept your loses, and you move on. Nothing is guaranteed, not even a next game. These are the last college games that a few of these players will ever play.

[GoMuskies]

I'm going to watch, cheer for Xavier and hope they win, but even an NIT championship is relatively meaningless. Would be nice for the players, of course.

[xufan2020]

I hope Steele will try some different lineups in the NIT. I’m not very excited about the being in this position, but it should benefit the team going into the next season. Lastly I hope the grad transfers ball out in their final games.

[SkyWalker]

I had heard that some people were having trouble with the website or phone to order tickets. I just got two for Wednesday on line at GoXavier.com. Seat map appeared and I was able to pick you exact seats. Pretty easy and quick!

[SteveSpivery]

I had heard that some people were having trouble with the website or phone to order tickets. I just got two for Wednesday on line at GoXavier.com. Seat map appeared and I was able to pick you exact seats. Pretty easy and quick!

Eventually. I was able to get tickets. For about 30-40 minutes I had a lot of trouble. I don't know if the website was overloaded or what.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I got my tickets today as well.

I had no trouble at first but later that message about cookies did appear. I had to close my browser and open back up and it started working.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I will be interested to see the rule changes and how they affect the game. I would recommend looking at them before the game or you might be very confused by some things that go on. The 3 point line and FT's will be most noticeable change.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Wow. Here they have Toledo a half point favorite. Bet the house.
https://images.actionnetwork.com/blog/2019/03/NITBRACKET.pdf

The link didn’t work, is it possible to favorite by a half point?

[Backyard Champ]

I hope Steele will try some different lineups in the NIT. I’m not very excited about the being in this position, but it should benefit the team going into the next season. Lastly I hope the grad transfers ball out in their final games.

No offense, but why in the world would he experiment with different lineups in the NIT? These are not exhibition games for next season, the team will look very different at the beginning of next year. Try to win the NIT, don't try to see what might work for a team that will be pretty different at the start of next year.

[GoMuskies]

They're pretty much exhibition games.

But other than giving Harden a few more minutes (and maybe getting James a quick look), there's not much you can do that's going to have any affect for next year given our roster.

[cutterX]

I for one would like to see them play hard, win and get two more games of tourney like atmosphere at MSG. If nothing else playing two more games at MSG can't hurt the team for next year's Big East Tourney. I know it's not exactly the same type of atmosphere as the BE Tourney but two more games on that floor can't be a bad thing for the returning players.

[scoscox]

No offense, but why in the world would he experiment with different lineups in the NIT? These are not exhibition games for next season, the team will look very different at the beginning of next year. Try to win the NIT, don't try to see what might work for a team that will be pretty different at the start of next year.

We'll return Goodin, Scruggs, Marshall, Jones, Harden, and (maybe) James. Those are basically the guys that eat up the majority of our minutes now. Do we really need to change the lineup much? We really won't look much different next year. The thing we'll miss most next year will be Hankins rim protection

[paulxu]

I will be interested to see the rule changes and how they affect the game. I would recommend looking at them before the game or you might be very confused by some things that go on. The 3 point line and FT's will be most noticeable change.

Maybe Welage will get more shots.

[bleedXblue]

We are playing to win. The lineup the last 10 games has performed very well.

Why else would you play in this?

[bobbiemcgee]

Are we the only game not on National TV?

[GoMuskies]

I heard some Wichita State fans grumbling about only being on ESPN3, so they may be having the same issue.

[SemajParlor]

We are playing to win. The lineup the last 10 games has performed very well.

Why else would you play in this?


Yeah I agree with this. I wouldn't change a thing and try to win this thing, because there's a chance they can.

[markchal]

These are definitely exhibition games, but I really enjoying watching Xavier basketball games, and it will be many months before we get to go back to Cintas, so I'm looking forward to Wednesday.

[coasterville95]

I had reserved seats when they asked last month. They emailed me a link, I went into My Musketeers and selected “reissue” as instructed. It asks if you want print at home or mobile tickets, you make your choice then it emails you a link.

Pretty simple.

So, Now I need to read up on these experimental rules.


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[whopper]

Toledo blade covers U Toledo very extensively. Interesting about dissatisfaction with never making NCAA and U Buffalo always making it. It says Bowling Green turned DOWN NIT ..wonder why. No reason given

[stammina0721]

I'm no expert but teams that turn down the NIT usually do because of some unpublicized unrest in the locker room. Not saying that is the case here but even UK, UNC and IU do not turn down the NIT. There has to be a reason

[GoMuskies]

If it's a senior laden team that set its goal at the beginning of the season as NCAA Tournament or bust, I can understand the players not being interested in going through the motions in the NIT. Particularly if it meant going on the road, which I assume it would have for Bowling Green.

[usfldan]

The article doesn't say Bowling Green turned down an NIT invite. It says they won't play in a postseason tournament. Bowling Green's NET and Kenpom rankings are in the 100s and worse than any team that got an at-large bid to the NIT. My guess is they weren't invited to the NIT, and this is their way of saying they won't play in the CIT or CBI.

[sirthought]

Didn't Mack turn down XU's NIT invite one year?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Didn't Mack turn down XU's NIT invite one year?

I think we turned down CBI. The last time we missed NCAA I think we werent even good enough for NIT.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Correct that was the year we lost Dex Wells and we went 17-14 and missed out. That was a bad year but we still kept the streak alive. This started off as the worst Xavier team ever in my 43 years that I can remember. It’s now turning out to be maybe the 10th worst year ever. That’s high praise

[OTRMUSKIE]

My friend told a huge UC fan he was jealous UC was going to cbus, his response was perfect and true X fans would agree.

you gotta be encouraged that team was left for dead Steele figured it out and got them playing and made it fun. You guys should try to win that thing.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think Texas would be a lot of fun, this team needs practice breaking the press, Shaka is aggressive with that (well was, idk if he still is, didn't watch Texas this year), and couple that with it could be a fun "screw you" to Hayes for choosing them over us haha. I am in the same boat though, could either be very disappointed, or have the ability to make a deep NIT run, these are the cards we are dealt now, so let's take it a game at a time, and focus on Toledo first. It's not where we wanna be, but more practices, and more basketball to hold us over until next season!!

Shaka stopped pressing (aka "Havoc") when he got to Texas. It's rare that they press.

[skyking]

The link didn’t work, is it possible to favorite by a half point?
Now X by 5.5

[Backyard Champ]

These are definitely exhibition games, but I really enjoying watching Xavier basketball games, and it will be many months before we get to go back to Cintas, so I'm looking forward to Wednesday.

What I meant was, these aren't exhibition games as in "let's see how this line up works ".

We are playing to win these games, not playing to see what lineups will work next year.

[SteveSpivery]

The Toledo game is probably better than 8 of the early games. I do not understand why you would want to go to those, but not this. Kind of seems like a tantrum.

[Xville]

The Toledo game is probably better than 8 of the early games. I do not understand why you would want to go to those, but not this. Kind of seems like a tantrum.

Do not mean to speak for all of those that find these NIT games meh, but as to my own rational, it's pretty simple really. Winning those early regular season games is important because it is a step in the right direction toward the end goal----a NCAA tournament bid, which then leads to more exposure, better recruiting and ultimately the final 2%. The end goal of a game in the NIT is winning an NIT championship which nets what exactly? It's cool for the grad transfers who get to play one or a few more college games, but the whole "experience for Steele and the core four" is pretty overblown in my opinion.

[markchal]

What I meant was, these aren't exhibition games as in "let's see how this line up works ".

We are playing to win these games, not playing to see what lineups will work next year.

My comment was directed at the "why go, who cares?" crowd. Like, going to Cintas to watch Xavier play is fun, and it should be a good game, so I'm going to go, even though we all obviously expect to be in the NCAA tournament every year.

I agree with playing to win. The team is doing an international trip in the preseason so that's when you work on James/Harden/the frosh. To me, the NIT is especially for the grad transfers, who came up a little short in why they chose X, so let them all play together some more. I'm more interested in winning four than in playing James/Harden a bunch and winning maybe once.

[XUGRAD80]

We are fans. For us the whole thing is watching the team play and enjoying the trip. We hope that they do well on the national stage and take pride in how well “our” team does. The championships, the rankings, the amount of national press and respect they get, etc. But we are just fans. No matter how much invested in it we are, with donations, ticket purchases, time spent on chat boards, time spent watching, dollars pent traveling, we are still just “fans”. I read on this board that some fans are acting like this year is all over. For them, maybe it is.

But what about the coaches and players...the actual TEAM? Aren’t they what it should really be all about?

It really doesn’t matter what we fans think about the importance of the NIT. What matters is what the TEAM thinks. I will go with the assumption that if the team decided to participate in the NIT, that it is important to them. Otherwise, why participate? Why they think it’s important, wether it be to give the fresh a chance to play, or to get more practice for the returners, or to reward the seniors, or any other reason, doesn’t really matter. One thing for sure, it’s not because they want to do it for the “fans”. And I’m sure they aren’t doing it for the exposure or the publicity. Could it be that they just want to take advantage of every opportunity they have to wear the uniform and compete?

Could it be just for the pure enjoyment of Playing the Game? I certainly hope that there is some of that in there.

I tell you this from a personal standpoint....40 years after wearing a Xavier U uniform I still remember the thrill of walking out to compete. It’s still the most FUN thing I ever have done in my life. I was sad when every season ended and couldn’t wait for the next season to start. I hope thse players feel this same way.

[Xville]

We are fans. For us the whole thing is watching the team play and enjoying the trip. We hope that they do well on the national stage and take pride in how well “our” team does. The championships, the rankings, the amount of national press and respect they get, etc. But we are just fans. No matter how much invested in it we are, with donations, ticket purchases, time spent on chat boards, time spent watching, dollars pent traveling, we are still just “fans”. I read on this board that some fans are acting like this year is all over. For them, maybe it is.

But what about the coaches and players...the actual TEAM? Aren’t they what it should really be all about?

It really doesn’t matter what we fans think about the importance of the NIT. What matters is what the TEAM thinks. I will go with the assumption that if the team decided to participate in the NIT, that it is important to them. Otherwise, why participate? Why they think it’s important, wether it be to give the fresh a chance to play, or to get more practice for the returners, or to reward the seniors, or any other reason, doesn’t really matter. One thing for sure, it’s not because they want to do it for the “fans”. And I’m sure they aren’t doing it for the exposure or the publicity. Could it be that they just want to take advantage of every opportunity they have to wear the uniform and compete?

Could it be just for the pure enjoyment of Playing the Game? I certainly hope that there is some of that in there.

I tell you this from a personal standpoint....40 years after wearing a Xavier U uniform I still remember the thrill of walking out to compete. It’s still the most FUN thing I ever have done in my life. I was sad when every season ended and couldn’t wait for the next season to start. I hope thse players feel this same way.

I think all of this is certainly fair. The only thing that is annoying me is some fans telling me how i should feel about the NIT, and if I don't plan to watch or attend these exhibition games which is what they are, it makes me not a fan. Fan on Fan crime.

I can understand the team's view on this and if you are going to play in it, you might as well win the thing, but attacking another fan's view of it is odd.

[GetUp5]

Soooooo....

If Xavier wins the NIT.. do they.. hang a banner?

Love Xavier Basketball as much as anyone, but it would be pretty embarrassing to have any kind of NIT banner in Cintas.

[OTRMUSKIE]

First off the one poster that played for X in the late 70’s did you play a lot? Didn’t know we had greatness among us. Now onto the stupid post above, no offense to you personally just your post. OF COURSE YOU HANG A BANNER. If they lose first game of NIT it will still say 2019 NIT on the banner. The only thing you don’t do is throw a parade like VD did or for the love of God make a T-shirt unless it’s a funny T-shirt that says I’m using the NIT championship banner to kNIT YTG a new handkerchief to cry into after his first round loss to Iowa.

[GoMuskies]

Agree here. Banner yes. Making a big deal about it: no.

The first year i moved here Wichita State won the NIT. The next year their "pump up" video before the starting lineups ended with their NIT championship banner being unfurled, and the crowd went nuts. I was embarrassed for them.

[GetUp5]

First off the one poster that played for X in the late 70’s did you play a lot? Didn’t know we had greatness among us. Now onto the stupid post above, no offense to you personally just your post. OF COURSE YOU HANG A BANNER. If they lose first game of NIT it will still say 2019 NIT on the banner. The only thing you don’t do is throw a parade like VD did or for the love of God make a T-shirt unless it’s a funny T-shirt that says I’m using the NIT championship banner to kNIT YTG a new handkerchief to cry into after his first round loss to Iowa.

What makes you so smart that my post is stupid? Do we know that they'd even hang a banner for NIT participation? Is there currently an NIT banner in the rafters? If not, would they really create an entire banner to recognize a season we didn't make the NCAA tournament?

I really don't think Xavier will hang anything unless they win it, and even then, I still wouldn't hang it.

[chico]

I'm pretty sure there's a 1957-58 NIT banner hanging from the rafters. I know, different time and all but still...

That said, I'm fine with a banner. I agree the gomuskies that there's isn't a huge deal made about it though.

[GIMMFD]

I'm pretty sure there's a 1957-58 NIT banner hanging from the rafters. I know, different time and all but still...

That said, I'm fine with a banner. I agree the gomuskies that there's isn't a huge deal made about it though.

I'm like half "meh" about everything, the NIT is great for experience and growth, a banner would be a bit tacky, I think we're destined for more important banners after multiple Elite 8 runs, but it wouldn't bother me that much. The 57-58 NIT banner from all I've heard is basically a National Championship banner since the NIT meant so much those days, but I could see where after the adversity faced this season, if they did win the NIT that they hung a championship banner, and championship banner only...

[OTRMUSKIE]

What makes me so smart? Well it’s because they have NIT banners already hanging. Each year they participated and the one they won. Not smart just observant

[XUGRAD80]

I would think that they would hang a banner if they WIN it. Also quite sure that the championship trophy would be on display somewhere.

But banners, trophies, plaques, etc. are really not all that important to the players, as much as they are for the media, the administration, and the alumni. They make the place look good. Does anyone really think that the current UC players care one bit about the NC championship trophies from almost 60 years ago? I really doubt it. But the alumni from that time probably does. Same goes for the NIT banner from 1958 that X has hanging. You hang the banner, and put out the trophies, as a way of recognizing the players, coaches, and staff that were involved in winning them. You make it a public thing as a way to say thank you to them.

OTR...As far as my participation back in the 70’s. I was not a basketball player. Never said I was. But in my sport, yes I did “play” a lot. :). But I wish I had been able to compete in 1 more event at least once, than I ever was able to. Just wasn’t good enough.

[XUOHTX]

Now that the NCAA is the tournament to make and our goal every year to win, no more hanging banners for anything else. Much different story than 1958 for the program and the college basketball landscape.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well what uniform did you put on brother? I’m intrigued with Xavier legend we have on this board?

[XUGRAD80]

Well what uniform did you put on brother? I’m intrigued with Xavier legend we have on this board?

Hardly a “legend”. LOL. I seriously doubt if there is anyone on campus today that would recognize my name or remember me.

But in the latter 1/2 of the 1970’s Xavier had a D-1 wrestling team. It folded for lack of support at the end of the 1st semester of the 1978-79 season. The year before we had 5 of us go to the NCAA Easten Regionals, where we finished 8th out of about 30 teams. We only lost 2 dual meets that whole year, both to state schools. Won 10 dual meets as a team. We had a team made of many former GCL graduates and state placers. Practices were quite competitive. But we had virtually no scholarship money, a very very limited recruiting budget, and the travel budget we had was because of the money the team raised on its own. We were rarely able to field a full team for much of its history, but we had an excellent members of the team every year. Unfortunately, sports, school, jobs, and social lives don’t always mix well. A few of our most talented members just weren’t interested in being college STUDENTS, and flunked out. Others decided to concentrate on their studies and didn’t want to, or couldnt, spend the time being a student-ATHLETE took out of study, job, or social time. Others, with no scholarship money, had to work year round. We didn’t have tutors, study tables, professors willing to give alternative work/tests, etc. to support us. There was no Sister Rose or even a full time athletic training department. We didn’t have even one member of the team on full scholarship. Most of us lived at home, commuted to school, and worked part-time and summer jobs to make ends meet. Xavier back the. was a much different athletic atmosphere than what we see today.

But no complaints, even if there are a few regrets. I got to travel and compete. I had some great teammates. A couple of good coaches. Made friends all over the Midwest that I remained friends with for many years. Have memories that no amount of money could buy. But I would give almost anything for one more chance to turn back the clock and wear the uniform again. As I said before, it was A LOT of fun.

These things are why I keep harping on the idea that it’s not all about winning national championships and making Xavier a national brand. That it’s never going to be alright with me to take on a winning at all cost attitude for XU BB. There is just way to much benefit to the athletes by just being a member of a team. If we keep in mind what the real purpose of the university is, and what the real benefits the kids get from competing for the university are, we will stop worrying about hosting banners and trophies. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t TRY to be the best. My personal goals included being a national champion and making the Olympic team. I never did either...those regrets...but it wasn’t for a lack of trying or lack of work. Lack of talent is more like it. But if I hadn’t set my goals high, I never would have been as successful as I was, and never would have had the experiences I had. The programs SHOULD aim for national championships. But if they never make it, it doesn’t mean they aren’t successful. Or that they are a failure. They only become a failure when they stop TRYING,when they give up. This year’s team has been successful because they have never given up. We really can’t ask for anything more out of them.

[noteggs]

What an amazing two months. We went from this team will not win another game this year and do we fire Steele to when we win NIT, do we hang the banner? That doesn’t include all the other roller coaster stuff we experienced over that time.

Crazy ass times! Can’t wait for the range of emotions next season may provide.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Thank you grad 80 for telling your story. You’re a true legend in my book. Yes this year is the only year I will accept a NIT bid. As long as Steele is here I plan on watching X in the dance. Let’s go win this thing now.

[bjf123]

Well what uniform did you put on brother? I’m intrigued with Xavier legend we have on this board?

I was a partial athletic scholarship (golf) recipient in the late 70s. Does that qualify me for “legend” status?


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[XUGRAD80]

I was a partial athletic scholarship (golf) recipient in the late 70s. Does that qualify me for “legend” status?


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Aren’t we all “legends in our own minds”? :rtfm:

I’m trying to remember the golf coach’s name! Was it Baldwin? And he was also the head trainer?

[bjf123]

Yep! Ray Baldwin. He was a hoot!


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[XUGRAD80]

Yep! Ray Baldwin. He was a hoot!


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Yes he was! Great guy. Came across as a real hard a$$ to those that didn’t know him, but that was just a front. If I remember correctly Terry Knophler (sp?) was the head student trainer. I ran into him several years later at a Charlotte Hornets game, where he was the Hornets trainer.

[X-band '01]

I'm pretty sure there's a 1957-58 NIT banner hanging from the rafters. I know, different time and all but still...

That said, I'm fine with a banner. I agree the gomuskies that there's isn't a huge deal made about it though.

A banner would be nice, but I wouldn't be flouting it at Midnight Madness like the Big East regular season title from last season.

[paulxu]

I was a partial athletic scholarship (golf) recipient in the late 70s. Does that qualify me for “legend” status?


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Only if you were caddying for MOR.

[usfldan]

I think they have banners for conference championships. Not a banner for each championship, but one that says "MCC" and then lists all the years they won the MCC, one that says "A-10" and lists all the years they won the A-10, and so forth. Then there are banners listing all the years they've made the NCAA tournament and how far they got (I think there's a made it banner, a Sweet 16 banner, and an Elite Eight banner). And I'd be willing to bet there is an NIT banner listing the years they've made that.
They did not accept the invite so they could pretend it did not happen.

[paulxu]

Providence better wake up.

[X-band '01]

South Dakota State down 8 at the half against Texas. That's pretty good considering they were down 19-2 in the first 4 minutes of that game.

[GoMuskies]

If Furman wins tomorrow, we get the Clemson/Furman game that "everyone" has been clamoring for.

[X-band '01]

It's official that the X-Toledo winner plays Texas in Round 2. Lots of empty seats at the Erwin Center tonight.

[scoscox]

I think they have banners for conference championships. Not a banner for each championship, but one that says "MCC" and then lists all the years they won the MCC, one that says "A-10" and lists all the years they won the A-10, and so forth. Then there are banners listing all the years they've made the NCAA tournament and how far they got (I think there's a made it banner, a Sweet 16 banner, and an Elite Eight banner). And I'd be willing to bet there is an NIT banner listing the years they've made that.
They did not accept the invite so they could pretend it did not happen.

I think the only banner Nit banner we have just says NIT Champs: 1958. I don't think there's a years made it one.

[scoscox]

You guys won't believe this, but an Ed Cooley coached team was unable to win a postseason game tonight.

[GIMMFD]

You guys won't believe this, but an Ed Cooley coached team was unable to win a postseason game tonight.

Hahah hey you're not wrong, he traditionally doesn't do well in the post-season, I still like him for some reason though, again when I alluded to it before he seems personable and classy!

[XUGRAD80]

It's official that the X-Toledo winner plays Texas in Round 2. Lots of empty seats at the Erwin Center tonight.

The only reason those folks that actually showed up are there was because someone said the football team was practicing at halftime.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You guys won't believe this, but an Ed Cooley coached team was unable to win a postseason game tonight.

Seriously. Most overrated coach in the conference. Can't deny he is very personable and seems like an easy guy to like, and he teams usually do pretty well in the BE and especially the BE tourney, but all the talent they have had there in the last several years and I think just 1 tourney win.

I would put him no better than 5th best coach in the conference. The BE unfortunately has a lot of coaches in the conference right now who have limited to no post season success. Need to turn that around. Hopefully Marquette and Seton Hall can make a run this year.

[bobbiemcgee]

Both A10 teams knocked out.

[GoMuskies]

Texas announced their attendance as 1,739 last night. Yikes.

[X-band '01]

And yet NC State got a sellout at Reynolds Coliseum despite their "snub" in the eyes of the NC State brass.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Looks to be a lot of seats left for X game. The really good seats that will be shown on TV are full though.

[X-man]

Texas announced their attendance as 1,739 last night. Yikes.

I friend of mine who claims to know these things said today that Xavier might host Round 2, rather than Texas, if we get a good turnout. In other words the "home team" after the first round is based on attendance rather than seed. Does anyone know this to be true? I always assumed that the seed dictated location all the way to MSG.

[xudash]

The only reason those folks that actually showed up are there was because someone said the football team was practicing at halftime.

That's well done.

Actually, what they announced was a free photo shoot with Bevo, but the PR department screwed the announcement up and it went out as a free photo shoot with Bozo. Since no one wanted clown pictures on their iPhones, the attendance crapped out.

[X-band '01]

Normally, you would have to have a scheduling conflict on Texas' end to dictate a game at Cintas should Xavier win tonight.

Then again, two years ago Indiana claimed they were starting renovations on Assembly Hall during their last NIT appearance two years ago when Tom Crean was about to be dismissed from IU.

[surfxu]

Looks like there were a lot of Texas fans that had a conflict last night... jeesh... that place was empty. BTW, thanks to whoever sits in section 108 that opted not attend tonight. Gonna be rubbing elbows with the high society tonight! Let's go X!

[UCGRAD4X]

That's well done.

Actually, what they announced was a free photo shoot with Bevo, but the PR department screwed the announcement up and it went out as a free photo shoot with Bozo. Since no one wanted clown pictures on their iPhones, the attendance crapped out.

That's an easy mistake to make.

[HenryMuto]

#1 Alabama gone in Xavier's side of the bracket so a win over Texas means another home game.

[Grizzx12]

#1 Alabama gone in Xavier's side of the bracket so a win over Texas means another home game.

Best atmosphere of any NIT game the past few days was in the Cintas tonight. Hope they can get it done in Austin.

[X-band '01]

Xavier might be the only home team that wins an NIT game tonight.

[paulxu]

In the last 5 games, these are some results of 3 pt shooting:

Naji 3-24
Goodin 4-23
Scruggs 10-36
Welage 11-19

At the risk of beating a dead horse, somehow we've got to get Welage more shots, and keep Naji and Q from jacking them up.
Especially with the line pushed out another foot or so.

[noteggs]

During presser before Toledo game, Steele actually made a joke and said they should move the line in because we shoot it so bad from 3.

[paulxu]

During presser before Toledo game, Steele actually made a joke and said they should move the line in because we shoot it so bad from 3.

He wasn't joking.

[UCGRAD4X]

In the last 5 games, these are some results of 3 pt shooting:

Naji 3-24
Goodin 4-23
Scruggs 10-36
Welage 11-19

At the risk of beating a dead horse, somehow we've got to get Welage more shots, and keep Naji and Q from jacking them up.
Especially with the line pushed out another foot or so.

He was wide open a few times and they weren't getting him the ball.

[noteggs]

He wasn't joking.

Lol. Fair

[XU 87]

I wonder how Texas fans feel about being in the NIT and the coach they fired has a #2 seed and last year had a #3 seed in the NCAA?

[xu koop scoop]

I started the thread & just returned from wintering in Fla. I 1st started watching college ball in 1959 & remember the NIT being big as teams wanted to play in MSG & win a title. My cousin was a starter on UC's 1st NCAA Champ team in 1961 & I went to their games, but I admired XU / Steve Thomas & the fact XU was the 1st team in the city to win a National Title. The Media has steadily downgraded this event for decades. It is a Tournament of 32 Teams now. Several of those teams always feel jilted by the NCAA. The 8 teams now involved in the PIG further detracted from the NIT. If I was a player, I would be excited to play in MSG for a Tourney Title. BEING THE BEST OF THOSE 32 TEAMS IN THE NIT IS AN HONOR & ALLOWS YOU TO START THE FOLLOWING SEASON ON A NICE WIN STREAK. Should we beat Texas I will buy tix for the game to decide if we go to MSG. I appreciate all replies to this thread, regardless of feelings about the NIT.

[GOX]

I started the thread & just returned from wintering in Fla. I 1st started watching college ball in 1959 & remember the NIT being big as teams wanted to play in MSG & win a title. My cousin was a starter on UC's 1st NCAA Champ team in 1961 & I went to their games, but I admired XU / Steve Thomas & the fact XU was the 1st team in the city to win a National Title. The Media has steadily downgraded this event for decades. It is a Tournament of 32 Teams now. Several of those teams always feel jilted by the NCAA. The 8 teams now involved in the PIG further detracted from the NIT. If I was a player, I would be excited to play in MSG for a Tourney Title. BEING THE BEST OF THOSE 32 TEAMS IN THE NIT IS AN HONOR & ALLOWS YOU TO START THE FOLLOWING SEASON ON A NICE WIN STREAK. Should we beat Texas I will buy tix for the game to decide if we go to MSG. I appreciate all replies to this thread, regardless of feelings about the NIT.

Xu Koop scoop was indirectly inviting you to guess the identity of his cousin that was part of a team made the Oscar Robinson teams look anemic

Player Class Pos Height Summary
Bob Wiesenhahn SR F 17.1 Pts, 10.0 Reb, 1.4 Ast
Paul Hogue JR C 6-9 16.8 Pts, 12.5 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Tom Thacker SO F 6-2 12.3 Pts, 9.5 Reb, 3.8 Ast
Carl Bouldin SR G 11.7 Pts, 2.8 Reb, 2.5 Ast
Tony Yates SO G 6-1 7.4 Pts, 3.5 Reb, 2.7 Ast
Dale Heidotting SO F 6-8 3.6 Pts, 3.7 Reb, 0.3 Ast
Fred Dierking JR F 6-6 2.6 Pts, 2.2 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Tom Sizer JR G 6-2 2.0 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.7 Ast
Jim Calhoun JR G 6-0 2.1 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Larry Shingleton SO G 5-10 0.9 Pts, 0.6 Reb, 0.4 Ast
Mark Altenau F 0.9 Pts, 0.6 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Sandy Pomerantz F 7.5 Pts, 3.5 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Ron Reis JR C 6-10 0.3 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 0.1 Ast
Frank Turner F

He will tell you if you are the winner .

[X-band '01]

Lipscomb playing like they were clearly underseeded as a 5 in their region. They could actually host an NIT quarterfinal if Harvard upsets NC State tomorrow.

[xu koop scoop]

Xu Koop scoop was indirectly inviting you to guess the identity of his cousin that was part of a team made the Oscar Robinson teams look anemic

Player Class Pos Height Summary
Bob Wiesenhahn SR F 17.1 Pts, 10.0 Reb, 1.4 Ast
Paul Hogue JR C 6-9 16.8 Pts, 12.5 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Tom Thacker SO F 6-2 12.3 Pts, 9.5 Reb, 3.8 Ast
Carl Bouldin SR G 11.7 Pts, 2.8 Reb, 2.5 Ast
Tony Yates SO G 6-1 7.4 Pts, 3.5 Reb, 2.7 Ast
Dale Heidotting SO F 6-8 3.6 Pts, 3.7 Reb, 0.3 Ast
Fred Dierking JR F 6-6 2.6 Pts, 2.2 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Tom Sizer JR G 6-2 2.0 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.7 Ast
Jim Calhoun JR G 6-0 2.1 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Larry Shingleton SO G 5-10 0.9 Pts, 0.6 Reb, 0.4 Ast
Mark Altenau F 0.9 Pts, 0.6 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Sandy Pomerantz F 7.5 Pts, 3.5 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Ron Reis JR C 6-10 0.3 Pts, 0.5 Reb, 0.1 Ast
Frank Turner F

He will tell you if you are the winner .

Ok, my cousin averaged a double double in his senior season. I didn't even know that until the stats just showed up. I think he held John Havlicek to 2 pts in the Championship game vs Ohio St. Now, back to the XU in the NIT. Let's compare college basketball to college football in postseason. The NCAA Tourney in BBall is similar to making the BCS Playoffs. Football teams, however, still seem happy to play in games knowing there is no chance to be National Champions. That's what the NIT is in basketball. Since we haven't had a Football Team since 1973 this analogy may be lost on many. By the way, that Oscar guy had a last name of Robertson, not Robinson. Everybody just called him the Big O anyhow.

[Xuperman]

That football bowl game analogy is spot on and puts everything in perspective. So all of you hard core detractors of this tournement, think of it like a big bowl game.......don't be a NIT-WIT (see what I did there).

[bleedXblue]

I wonder how Texas fans feel about being in the NIT and the coach they fired has a #2 seed and last year had a #3 seed in the NCAA?

To be fair, Texas never really did much and Barnes was there for 10+ years. Yes, very consistent, but could never quite get them there.

[GoMuskies]

That football bowl game analogy is spot on and puts everything in perspective. So all of you hard core detractors of this tournement, think of it like a big bowl game.......don't be a NIT-WIT (see what I did there).

With 68 teams in the Tournament, all the good bowls are left. The NIT is the Weedeater Bowl of basketball. But if you're in it, you might as well win it!

[Xuperman]

With 68 teams in the Tournament, all the good bowls are left. The NIT is the Weedeater Bowl of basketball. But if you're in it, you might as well win it!

A Xavier Indiana final at MSG would feel more like Peach or Citrus bowl in stature. Not playing for a national championship but 2 marquee programs competing on a big stage.

[American X]

A Xavier Indiana final at MSG would feel more like Peach or Citrus bowl in stature. Not playing for a national championship but 2 marquee programs competing on a big stage.

Those two programs have 5 national championships between them.

[XU 87]

To be fair, Texas never really did much and Barnes was there for 10+ years. Yes, very consistent, but could never quite get them there.

True, I think Barnes at Texas did go to one final four and two elite 8's in his earlier days at Texas, but his later teams were good but not great in his last 6-7 years there. But firing him now looks like a really bad move. His former school is in the NIT, and his current team has a 2 seed, and last year a 3 seed.

I will add that TN is currently beating Iowa by 20.

Off topic- is this the same Iowa team that just beat UC?

[X-band '01]

Gregg Marshall must really be happy he didn't move on to Texas or Alabama.

[GoMuskies]

Gregg Marshall must really be happy he didn't move on to Texas or Alabama.

Why? He wouldn't have sucked like Johnson and Smart.

[XU 87]

Why? He wouldn't have sucked like Johnson and Smart.

I'm always a little amazed with coaches like Smart. He was highly successful at VCU winning 25+ games every year for 6 years. And then he goes to a bigger school and pretty much sucks (.500 in four years).

[Xuperman]

I'm always a little amazed with coaches like Smart. He was highly successful at VCU winning 25+ games every year for 6 years. And then he goes to a bigger school and pretty much sucks (.500 in four years).

What amazes me that big time donor alumns for these massive universities have no tolerance for anything less than F4 quality teams. Rick Barnes should have been a UT lifer but the pressure brought to bear on the AD was too much. Change is gonna come and it usually ends with the "Hot young coach" getting the big contract.

[X-band '01]

There's also the argument that VCU has been consistently good themselves with one breakout year in 2011.

If Shaka can't make a run next year in the NCAA Tournament, then I think it would be fair for Texas to reevaluate their future.

[X-band '01]

What amazes me that big time donor alumns for these massive universities have no tolerance for anything less than F4 quality teams. Rick Barnes should have been a UT lifer but the pressure brought to bear on the AD was too much. Change is gonna come and it usually ends with the "Hot young coach" getting the big contract.

By the same token, UT's win against South Dakota State was the first postseason victory of any kind by Shaka at Texas.

[stammina0721]

There's also the argument that VCU has been consistently good themselves with one breakout year in 2011.

If Shaka can't make a run next year in the NCAA Tournament, then I think it would be fair for Texas to reevaluate their future.

Why doesn't any major program who annually competes for a national championship run a major full court press? It's because that style can't win in today's game consistently. Shaka smart has a style that works in lower tier basketball, but if you want to compete with the big boys you need to play a more traditional style of ball

[Muskie]

Why doesn't any major program who annually competes for a national championship run a major full court press? It's because that style can't win in today's game consistently. Shaka smart has a style that works in lower tier basketball, but if you want to compete with the big boys you need to play a more traditional style of ball

Havoc was a gimmick that worked in the A-10 (and wherever VCU was before that, as I can't remember), but players don't love playing it.

[UCGRAD4X]

Probably should have posted here instead of game thread, but I am interested in people (who are more skilled in the intricacies of the game - -which is most everybody) about the effects so far of the court configuration and in general how the new rules are affecting the games....Xavier more specifically and their chances?

[paulxu]

Haha. #6 Wichita St beats #1 Indiana.

[JTG]

Haha. #6 Wichita St beats #1 Indiana.

And Romeo is off to the NBA. Will Archie figure this out, or will both the Millers be unemployed by 2020 ?

[whopper]

it hurts to turn on espn2 and see Texas v Colorado at Austin when I know it could have been X v Colorado at Cintas. and now I see Texas is up 48-25 in second half. Would have loved to see X esp grad xfer in MSG one more time. Sorry for being a downer but I get depressed when college basketball is over(and to me it is with 5 ACC, 4 SEC, 3 Big 10, Gonzaga(only non public) and misc (Houston, Tex Tech). This is not what week 2 was supposed to be or at least what excited me about March Madness

[Xavier]

Everyone is different- I get people loving underdog stories and Cinderella runs. Outside of Xavier games, for me this is one of the best sweet 16s I can remember. MSU/Duke, UNC/Kentucky potential elite 8 is awesome. FSU/Gonzaga should be a great game. Really looking forward to this weekend.

[bobbiemcgee]

it hurts to turn on espn2 and see Texas v Colorado at Austin when I know it could have been X v Colorado at Cintas. and now I see Texas is up 48-25 in second half. Would have loved to see X esp grad xfer in MSG one more time. Sorry for being a downer but I get depressed when college basketball is over(and to me it is with 5 ACC, 4 SEC, 3 Big 10, Gonzaga(only non public) and misc (Houston, Tex Tech). This is not what week 2 was supposed to be or at least what excited me about March Madness

I was surprised Colorado got crushed. Thought they had a pretty good team. Stepped it up in 2nd half way too late. They have all the starters coming back so should make some noise next year. And, yeah, we would have beat them @ Cintas.

[Masterofreality]

it hurts to turn on espn2 and see Texas v Colorado at Austin when I know it could have been X v Colorado at Cintas. and now I see Texas is up 48-25 in second half. Would have loved to see X esp grad xfer in MSG one more time. Sorry for being a downer but I get depressed when college basketball is over(and to me it is with 5 ACC, 4 SEC, 3 Big 10, Gonzaga(only non public) and misc (Houston, Tex Tech). This is not what week 2 was supposed to be or at least what excited me about March Madness

One free throw....
BTW, the refs were trash in that game...one way only tho.

[stammina0721]

X should still be playing. These kids need to learn how to win. I think a David West pep talk on the real Xavier way should be in order before game one next year

[scoscox]

Not sure if it makes me feel better or worse that texas is tearing through the rest of the nit

[XfansinKy]

Q's gotta step in there as the leader and knock down those free throws. I don't care about injuries etc etc. He's gotta make those and take his team back to Cintas. He's gotta step in and end that damn game. Anyways, I'm looking forward to him having healthy senior season along with Tyrique.

[fellahmuskie]

Not sure if it makes me feel better or worse that texas is tearing through the rest of the nit

Both for me.

[Xville]

i wonder if Shaka has now done enough to save his job...I think he was certainly 50-50 at the beginning of the NIT, but he has a pretty young core that will be coming back next year that should make the tourney. The coaching carousel would just be infinitely more interesting if Smart was let go.

[X-band '01]

Winning the NIT or losing their first-round NIT game wouldn't have made a lick of difference at UT. My guess is that he gets one more year in Austin before his seat really starts to get hot.

[UCGRAD4X]

But if X had beaten them (as they should have), I think he would have been out already.

Shaka should send a chunk of his big contract here as a big thank you.

[scoscox]

texas is slaughtering lipscomb in the title game

[Xville]

texas is slaughtering lipscomb in the title game

In front of dozens of fans....about 3,000 total. Just get rid of this stupid thing already.

[X-band '01]

Your National Champion, ERRRR, Champion Texas Longhorns! (https://twitter.com/josephcook89/status/1113980705363701760)

[GoMuskies]

A link is not good enough for this madness.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3WpSKjXoAAuf1g.jpg

[XU 87]

Q's gotta step in there as the leader and knock down those free throws. I don't care about injuries etc etc. He's gotta make those and take his team back to Cintas. He's gotta step in and end that damn game. Anyways, I'm looking forward to him having healthy senior season along with Tyrique.

Are you saying his missing the free throw showed a lack of leadership? Is there a direct correlation between making free throws and being a leader? If so, when he made the first free throw, did that show good leadership?

[Backyard Champ]

Are you saying his missing the free throw showed a lack of leadership? Is there a direct correlation between making free throws and being a leader? If so, when he made the first free throw, did that show good leadership?

It showed potential, knocking down the second would have shown good leadership.

It's good to know the potential is there.




(Sarcasm)

[GIMMFD]

A link is not good enough for this madness.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3WpSKjXoAAuf1g.jpg

Big time yikes.

[UCGRAD4X]

Would you feel differently if it had a dark blue theme?

[GoMuskies]

Would you feel differently if it had a dark blue theme?

Yes, I'd be embarrassed for us instead of them.

[XfansinKy]

Are you saying his missing the free throw showed a lack of leadership? Is there a direct correlation between making free throws and being a leader? If so, when he made the first free throw, did that show good leadership?

If you can't depend on your leader to step in and end the game, who do you go with? Bring one of the guys off the bench that makes them in practice? I'm not sure what you mean by asking if he was a good leader after making the first free throw, because he had to make them both. Kyle Guy is a good example of a leader stepping up to the line and handling business. Practice, practice, practice.

[XU 87]

If you can't depend on your leader to step in and end the game, who do you go with? Bring one of the guys off the bench that makes them in practice? I'm not sure what you mean by asking if he was a good leader after making the first free throw, because he had to make them both. Kyle Guy is a good example of a leader stepping up to the line and handling business. Practice, practice, practice.

So you are in fact arguing that making free throws has a direct correlation to being a good free leader. Glad we got that straight.

Kyle Guy missed 14 free throws this year. I assume you think that Bennett got on him for his lack of leadership during those times. And I assume you think that Pearl got on Harper for his lack of leadership when he missed that free throw at the end.

P.S. Q showed leadership in that situation at the end. He was the guy who wanted the ball and took the shot where he got fouled. He was the guy who took it upon himself to try to win the game.

[Thor in 204]

So you are in fact arguing that making free throws has a direct correlation to being a good free leader. Glad we got that straight.

Kyle Guy missed 14 free throws this year. I assume you think that Bennett got on him for his lack of leadership during those times. And I assume you think that Pearl got on Harper for his lack of leadership when he missed that free throw at the end.

P.S. Q showed leadership in that situation at the end. He was the guy who wanted the ball and took the shot where he got fouled. He was the guy who took it upon himself to try to win the game.



I agree. He showed leadership and creativity with the game on the line. I’m betting he’ll show leadership in the offseason working on his game, including free throws and 3point shooting.

[Muskie]

If you can't depend on your leader to step in and end the game, who do you go with? Bring one of the guys off the bench that makes them in practice? I'm not sure what you mean by asking if he was a good leader after making the first free throw, because he had to make them both. Kyle Guy is a good example of a leader stepping up to the line and handling business. Practice, practice, practice.

Justin Cage must have been an awful leader then for missing that last free throw. I don't get the correlation at all. I'm confident Q didn't go to the stripe and intentionally miss a free throw. Outside of that, even the best FT shooters miss every once in awhile whether they are a great leader, poor leader or someone in between. It seems like someone just wants to pick on Q.

[X Factor]

Justin Cage must have been an awful leader then for missing that last free throw. I don't get the correlation at all. I'm confident Q didn't go to the stripe and intentionally miss a free throw. Outside of that, even the best FT shooters miss every once in awhile whether they are a great leader, poor leader or someone in between. It seems like someone just wants to pick on Q.

How about expecting your PG to shoot better than 67% from the FT line? It's as simple as that.

[bjf123]

How about expecting your PG to shoot better than 67% from the FT line? It's as simple as that.

Seems reasonable to me.


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[XU 87]

How about expecting your PG to shoot better than 67% from the FT line? It's as simple as that.

Our point guard is not a real good shooter. Expecting him to shoot better doesn't change that fact.

[XfansinKy]

I'm humbled you dug through Google to find out how many free throws guy missed. Everyone misses free throws, although most point guards don't miss them as regularly as Q. Again I ask you, when the games on the line should your team's leader be able to step up, knock them down, and get the W? Yes or no? Not what Google says. Yes or no? That's what my original post said.

[Xville]

I'm humbled you dug through Google to find out how many free throws guy missed. Everyone misses free throws, although most point guards don't miss them as regularly as Q. Again I ask you, when the games on the line should your team's leader be able to step up, knock them down, and get the W? Yes or no? Not what Google says. Yes or no? That's what my original post said.

You are still correlating leadership with making free throws, that's the issue. No one believes he made a good pct of free throws this year, and I'm hoping he puts up an insane amount of shots this summer to improve in that aspect of the game for his senior yeae.

[XfansinKy]

You are still correlating leadership with making free throws, that's the issue. No one believes he made a good pct of free throws this year, and I'm hoping he puts up an insane amount of shots this summer to improve in that aspect of the game for his senior yeae.

I'm gonna assume you don't think the leader should be counted on in crunch time, even when he's the starting PG that's been to 2 straight NCAA tournaments. I guess. I still say he's GOTTA knock those down. I'm DEFINITELY correlating the leader to making free throws when the games on the line. Yes, most definitely. I like when Tony Bennett said "As a junior, Guy is one of this team's leaders who wants to be in that situation."

[XfansinKy]

In front of dozens of fans....about 3,000 total. Just get rid of this stupid thing already.

The Texas players seem to disagree. Plenty of small schools have a blast in the NIT, and it's the only opportunity for some to ever play in Gardens. If the NCAA wanted rid of it, it would have.

[Xville]

I'm gonna assume you don't think the leader should be counted on in crunch time, even when he's the starting PG that's been to 2 straight NCAA tournaments. I guess. I still say he's GOTTA knock those down. I'm DEFINITELY correlating the leader to making free throws when the games on the line. Yes, most definitely. I like when Tony Bennett said "As a junior, Guy is one of this team's leaders who wants to be in that situation."

Sorry but this is completely asinine. There is a huge difference between what Bennett said, and correlating making the free throws and leadership. So, if Guy doesn't make one of the three free throws, he isn't a leader?

I have been a very harsh critic of Q this entire year, mostly because of his poor shoot selection and decision making at times. However, people miss free throws all the time, especially when the pressure is on, that has nothing to do with leadership quality.

[XUGRAD80]

Q's gotta step in there....... as the leader.....and knock down those free throws. I don't care about injuries etc etc. He's gotta make those and take his team back to Cintas. He's gotta step in and end that damn game. Anyways, I'm looking forward to him having healthy senior season along with Tyrique.

Being a point guard doesn’t make someone “the leader”. I certainly don’t think of him as “the leader”. In fact, I would say that was one of the glaring deficiencies of the team...lack of leadership on the floor. I don’t think that the team had someone that could be referred to as “the leader”.

Being “clutch” and being a “leader” are not always the same thing. There are a lot of players that are “clutch”, but aren’t “leaders”. Conversely, someone can be a leader, and not always be the most talented or clutch player on the team. Leadership has a lot more to do with the mental part of the game and how it relates to the TEAM and ones teammates, than it does to how one personally performs, even in the clutch. Clutch performance has more to do with how someone is personally mentally strong, not so much how they interact with their others on the team. People will tend to follow someone that is a clutch performer, that is true. But only for as long as they remain clutch. A true leader will not only have people follow them when he succeeds, but even when he personally fails. In fact, perhaps more importantly they will follow AND SUPPORT him, when he does fail. They will rally around him and give extra effort to make sure he doesn’t fail. In this way, a true leader gets his teammates to perform better and thus raises the quality of the whole team, not just their own play.

Hopefully someone develops into “ the leader”, or some ones develop into “the leaders” before next year.

[XU 87]

I'm humbled you dug through Google to find out how many free throws guy missed. Everyone misses free throws, although most point guards don't miss them as regularly as Q. Again I ask you, when the games on the line should your team's leader be able to step up, knock them down, and get the W? Yes or no? Not what Google says. Yes or no? That's what my original post said.

If you think that the team's leader, which you define as being the guy who can make his free throws, is 100% of the time going to make all his free throws when the game is on the line, then the answer is "No". With all due respect, you're making an absurd argument that only you appear to agree with. I recommend you just let this one go.

[Muskie]

Q hit exactly one less FT this year (71-107) than he did last year (72-91). He took 16 more FT's this season which accounts for the percentage drop. Essentially he needed to hit 12 of those free throws to keep his average from last year (79%). He missed five FT's against Detroit Mercy, which is a game X won by double digits. He did have a few games where he was 2-5, and X ended up losing those games. I still have no idea how FT percentage correlates to leadership. But I wanted to see the razor-thin margin we are talking about here. I'm not going to do the deep dive, but why does a Q missed free throw mean so much more than a Naji missed free throw or a Scruggs missed FT?

[94GRAD]

You must have thought Semaj was a horrible team leader at 67.7% and 66.8% his Freshman and Sophmore years!

[GoMuskies]

You must have thought Semaj was a horrible team leader at 67.7% and 66.8% his Freshman and Sophmore years!

Those teams sucked. So obviously Semaj was a terrible leader. Either that, or he wasn't surrounded by much talent. But definitely one of those two.

[Xavier]

I'm humbled you dug through Google to find out how many free throws guy missed. Everyone misses free throws, although most point guards don't miss them as regularly as Q. Again I ask you, when the games on the line should your team's leader be able to step up, knock them down, and get the W? Yes or no? Not what Google says. Yes or no? That's what my original post said.

You think Zion was Dukes leader? The guy who won player of the year?

Not sure why I’m asking, he did miss game tying FT against UCF. Luckily for him Duke got rebound and scored. But clear sign to me he definitely wasn’t Dukes leader

[XU 87]

This guy had to turn in his Captain's jersey after this debacle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnZEkQtV1ug

[GoMuskies]

This guy had to turn in his Captain's jersey after this debacle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnZEkQtV1ug

What a ridiculous video. Phil Jackson as an assistant coach to Doug Collins?!? Never happened.

[XU 87]

What a ridiculous video. Phil Jackson as an assistant coach to Doug Collins?!? Never happened.


Which begs the question- "To be a good head coach and leader of the team, does a guy also need to have been a great free throw shooter at the end of games?" Did the Bulls make Phil Jackson shoot free throws before they offered him the head coaching job?

Doug Collins was the guy who made the two free throws in the 1972 Olympic finals to give the US the lead over the USSR. So I'm guessing Jackson must have gone something like 200 for 200 on his free throws during the interview (with loud noise being piped in) to get the Bulls job.

[GoMuskies]

Jeff Hornacek last missed a FT when he was 8 years old. As you would expect, he led the Knicks to greatness.

[noteggs]

This guy had to turn in his Captain's jersey after this debacle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnZEkQtV1ug

Can you even consider a guy a leader if he didn't make his high school basketball team as a Sophomore? This whole leadership stuff is really starting to confuse me.

[XU 87]

Can you even consider a guy a leader if he didn't make his high school basketball team as a Sophomore? This whole leadership stuff is really starting to confuse me.

Yes, as long as he makes his free throws.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is pretty good. This is approaching Trevon isn't athletic enough for the Big East territory.

[XfansinKy]

My bad. As the leader, Q shouldn't be expected to make those free throws. He definitely gets a pass. Sorry. My coaches in elementary, high school, AAU, and college all mislead me. The leader on our team should have been the guy who was good at free throws, even though he wasn't really good enough to play during the game. What were we thinking!? We should've listened to fans with D West selfies.

[XfansinKy]

This is pretty good. This is approaching Trevon isn't athletic enough for the Big East territory.

If you wanna quote me, at least do it correctly. I said I worry Trevon wasn't going to be athletic enough in Big East play. Considering he's not considered athletic, and guys like Jimmy Jackson called his style of play, "old man YMCA ball" that was a valid concern. You're the one that seems so obsessed with me that you've twisted what I actually said.Ill be waiting the same apology I afforded you. Lol.... tick-tock. I'm just having fun with you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is pretty good. This is approaching Trevon isn't athletic enough for the Big East territory.


If you wanna quote me, at least do it correctly. I said I worry Trevon wasn't going to be athletic enough in Big East play. Considering he's not considered athletic, and guys like Jimmy Jackson called his style of play, "old man YMCA ball" that was a valid concern. You're the one that seems so obsessed with me that you've twisted what I actually said.Ill be waiting the same apology I afforded you. Lol.... tick-tock. I'm just having fun with you.

I am failing to see much difference in what I said and what you said. Maybe I am missing something.

And at risk of beating a dead horse, some important context here to how ridiculous your worries were, you said this Trevon's senior year after he had already been a two time Big East 1st team all conference player. Soooo.....not a valid concern.

And he made that 3 straight 1st team honors his senior year.

[XfansinKy]

I am failing to see much difference in what I said and what you said. Maybe I am missing something.

And at risk of beating a dead horse, some important context here to how ridiculous your worries were, you said this Trevon's senior year after he had already been a two time Big East 1st team all conference player. Soooo.....not a valid concern.

And he made that 3 straight 1st team honors his senior year.

You are right and I am wrong. Thanks and have a blessed day.

[XU 87]

My bad. As the leader, Q shouldn't be expected to make those free throws. He definitely gets a pass. Sorry. My coaches in elementary, high school, AAU, and college all mislead me. The leader on our team should have been the guy who was good at free throws, even though he wasn't really good enough to play during the game. What were we thinking!? We should've listened to fans with D West selfies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs73-eVBu6I

[Xuperman]

If you wanna quote me, at least do it correctly. I said I worry Trevon wasn't going to be athletic enough in Big East play. Considering he's not considered athletic, and guys like Jimmy Jackson called his style of play, "old man YMCA ball" that was a valid concern. You're the one that seems so obsessed with me that you've twisted what I actually said.Ill be waiting the same apology I afforded you. Lol.... tick-tock. I'm just having fun with you.

My God, the off season SUCKS!!! Get a life man.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If you wanna quote me, at least do it correctly. I said I worry Trevon wasn't going to be athletic enough in Big East play. Considering he's not considered athletic, and guys like Jimmy Jackson called his style of play, "old man YMCA ball" that was a valid concern. You're the one that seems so obsessed with me that you've twisted what I actually said.Ill be waiting the same apology I afforded you. Lol.... tick-tock. I'm just having fun with you.

Sorry you are right, I was wrong.....about the year. You didnt say it during his senior year, you said it during his junior year. So after these comments made by you:


"I'm worried The Big East is just too athletic for Bliuett."

"He's slow. Can't get low and defend. Can't go by people. Can't go over anybody. When he's not making his little three point set shot, the rest of his game suffers. He starts out killing weak non conference teams though and everybody loses their minds over him."

"....at this level, a 6'5 SF better be able to be one of the best shooters in the nation if he's slow and can't jump."

"Maybe I'm missing his stellar Big East play. He's a decent jump shooter at times and can rebound if not in traffic."


.....he went on to earn TWO more BE 1st team awards.

Those are direct quotes btw.