Tie Breaker

[OTRMUSKIE]

Does anybody know what the tie breaker is for 3rd? I know to win it outright we need flat top then we need wojo to beat Patrick. Nova to beat Hall. And puke to beat Dad. All could happen But what happens if we win and they win who gets the 3rd seed?

[Lloyd Braun]

Does anybody know what the tie breaker is for 3rd? I know to win it outright we need flat top then we need wojo to beat Patrick. Nova to beat Hall. And puke to beat Dad. All could happen But what happens if we win and they win who gets the 3rd seed?

Can I get a translator for this?

I think what you are asking is if we tie Creighton who gets 3rd seed? The answer is it depends who wins the league. If nova wins, we are 3 and they are 4. If Nova and Marquette tie then it goes to next tie breaker (conference road record), which is also a tie. Then it goes to best road win, which goes to Creighton (@MU)

Here (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/bige/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/MBB_Tiebreakers.pdf) are rules

[HenryMuto]

5 way tie at 8-9 wow. Someone is going to have to play 4 games.

[X-band '01]

If Villanova beats Seton Hall, Marquette beats Georgetown, Butler beats Providence and DePaul beats Creighton, we'll have the Xavier/St. John's winner alone in 3rd place and the loser stuck in a SIX-way tie for fourth place this weekend.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Omg I’m so sorry, flattop is St. John’s, dad is Creighton because of Doug McDermott’s dad, wojo is Marquette and Patrick is Georgetown. Come on dog how did you not know that?

[OTRMUSKIE]

If season ended today it would be as follows
Nova
Marquette
Seton hall
Xavier
St. John’s
Creighton
Gtown
Butler
DePaul
providence

[slysyl]

What happened to Creighton, where do they go?

[X-band '01]

Creighton would be 6th and in line for the last bye into the quarterfinals.

[GIMMFD]

This is an absolute clusterfuck.

[Mrs. Garrett]

http://bball.notnothing.net/bigeast.php?sport=mbb

This link allows you to pick different scenarios and how that would impact the BE Tourney seedings

[GoMuskies]

http://bball.notnothing.net/bigeast.php?sport=mbb

This link allows you to pick different scenarios and how that would impact the BE Tourney seedings

Nice tool! If you submit without making any changes, DePaul is the #10 seed. If you select DePaul beating Creighton on Saturday (and make no other changes), DePaul is the #4 seed.

[GoMuskies]

Best I can figure, the ONLY scenario that results in Xavier playing Wednesday is Creighton over DePaul (or Butler over Providence), Georgetown over Marquette, Seton Hall over Villanova and St. John's over Xavier. Seems unlikely, but unlikely is pretty much par of the course this year.

[MHettel]

Can I get a translator for this?



Uh, yeah. that was my reaction as well....

[OTRMUSKIE]

So win and worst case is 5 seed. I want to be in the bracket with Marquette, It’s hard to beat a team 3 times and they just seem to be falling apart. Suit scares me, I want nothing to do with nova.

[bjf123]

When I put in the results I think will happen Saturday, I have us as the 3 playing #6 Georgetown in Marquette’s side of the bracket.

If we lose and everything else stays the same, I have us as the 5 playing #4 Creighton in Nova’s bracket.

Worst case, we fall to the 7 and play #10 Providence. For that to happen, all the home teams have to lose or all but Seton Hall lose. Don’t see either of those happening.


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[EastCoastXman]

You don't want to be playing Nova at MSG in the BET until Saturday. Their fans take over the arena and make it very difficult on any team playing Nova. Trust me I have been to all the new Big East Tournament games.

I was at the Seton Hall Marquette game last night and I would not be afraid to play them. Our interior game has gotten much better when Steele allows Ty and Zach to be on the court together. Marq was hot early but when game was on the line they were forcing a lot of shots. They did not score in the last 5 minutes of the game. Reminded me of the 17-2 run Seton Hall put on us last week that we were lucky to survive. Howard could not get to the hoop when R Gill was in the game.

[Muskie]

You don't want to be playing Nova at MSG in the BET until Saturday. Their fans take over the arena and make it very difficult on any team playing Nova. Trust me I have been to all the new Big East Tournament games.

I was at the Seton Hall Marquette game last night and I would not be afraid to play them. Our interior game has gotten much better when Steele allows Ty and Zach to be on the court together. Marq was hot early but when game was on the line they were forcing a lot of shots. They did not score in the last 5 minutes of the game. Reminded me of the 17-2 run Seton Hall put on us last week that we were lucky to survive. Howard could not get to the hoop when R Gill was in the game.

Providence fills the place as well (they were out in force against X last year). Some of these schools are a cheap train ride away from MSG.

[GoMuskies]

Providence fills the place as well (they were out in force against X last year). Some of these schools are a cheap train ride away from MSG.

Plus, obviously schools in the northeast all have a shitload of alumni working in Manhattan.

[BMoreX]

Plus, obviously schools in the northeast all have a shitload of alumni working in Manhattan.

Yeah. Common sense but unless we are playing Marquette, Creighton, Butler, DePaul or Georgetown (until they get back to being fully relevant), an MSG game is going to be more similar to a road environment than a home one.

I've been to the BET last 3 years (can't attend this year) but in terms of fan support (and this is my complete, likely buzzed opinion), I'd say it's been:
1. Villanova
2. Seton Hall
3. Providence
4. Creighton
5. Xavier
6. Marquette
7. St. John's
8. Georgetown
9. Butler
10. DePaul

Caveats being that Marquette, St. John's and Georgetown should all improve attendance as the teams improve.

[EastCoastXman]

In 2014, when Creighton had McBuckets, they must have had 5000 fans and they showed up for every session at MSG. Not as many since that year when they took us down in the Semi's. Seton Hall only a 30 minute train ride from campus to under MSG but they only show for finals.

So let's talk about a meaningful streak. Since the start of the new BE in 2014, Xavier has played in the Friday night Semi Final round every year. We only played on Wednesday night in 2017 against DePaul. Now we have lost 4/5 semi games, but did make the final in 2015. Getting to at least Friday is a must!

[EastCoastXman]

More BET trivia. Xavier is the only team to play in all 5 Semi Final rounds of the tournament. Nova and Providence next with 4 appearances. Seton Hall 3. Creighton 2. Butler and Gtown 1 each. Marquette, St John's and DePaul have never played on Friday night in "the world's most famous arena"!

[Smooth]

5 way tie at 8-9 wow. Someone is going to have to play 4 games.

You're the "expert." Tell us the BET seeding and who will be playing 4.

[HenryMuto]

Well it looks like a 1st round bye has been clinched. Butler down 25 in the 2nd half at Providence.

[HenryMuto]

You're the "expert." Tell us the BET seeding and who will be playing 4.

I am pretty good at predicting NCAA teams and seeds based on resumes I am not good at predicting winners of games.

[Xville]

Still cant believe x lost to butler. That team is absolute garbage with a mediocre coach and x came out and laid a huge egg.

[HenryMuto]

Looks like the Xavier game will decided who will be #1 seed in the BE tournament if Seton Hall can hold on and beat Nova today.

Villanova loses, Marquette wins, St. John's wins: Nova gets the #1
Villanova loses, Marquette wins, Xavier wins: Marquette gets the #1

[XUOWNSUC]

Well it looks like a 1st round bye has been clinched. Butler down 25 in the 2nd half at Providence.

Is this for sure?

[bjf123]

Is this for sure?

Not if that guy’s website is accurate. Wins by Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Creighton, coupled with an X loss makes us the 7 seed.


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[Xville]

Really like this seton hall team. They could certainly make some noise in the tourney. Beaten nova, kentucky and marquette and defend like mad men.

[HenryMuto]

Not if that guy’s website is accurate. Wins by Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Creighton, coupled with an X loss makes us the 7 seed.


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I was just assuming G'Town was losing.

[noteggs]

Not if that guy’s website is accurate. Wins by Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Creighton, coupled with an X loss makes us the 7 seed.


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Not to mention they don’t get rattled when playing from behind. A lot of great comebacks this year. Of course that can bit you in the end

[bjf123]

Seton Hall will be the 3 or 4 seed. If we win, along with Creighton and Marquette and we’re the 4 playing Creighton. DePaul and Marquette win and we’re the 4 playing DePaul. DePaul and Georgetown win and we’re the 5 playing the Hoyas.

If we lose, and Marquette wins and we’re the 6 playing St. John’s regardless of Creighton DePaul. If Georgetown and Creighton win, we’re the 7 playing DePaul. I think that’s all the possibilities.

We’ll know the Georgetown Marquette result before tipoff.


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[Snipe]

I think if Marquette wins we should sit Naji and take our luck with St. Johns with a healthy Naji and the Nova side of the bracket if we lose without Naji.

[xukeith]

So is it a 100% lock now that X cannot get 3 seed?4-7?

[Snipe]

Seton Hall will be the 3 or 4 seed. If we win, along with Creighton and Marquette and we’re the 4 playing Creighton. DePaul and Marquette win and we’re the 4 playing DePaul. DePaul and Georgetown win and we’re the 5 playing the Hoyas.

If we lose, and Marquette wins and we’re the 6 playing St. John’s regardless of Creighton DePaul. If Georgetown and Creighton win, we’re the 7 playing DePaul. I think that’s all the possibilities.

We’ll know the Georgetown Marquette result before tipoff.


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If Creighton, Georgetown and Xavier win Seton Hall will be a 7, not a 3 or 4.

[XUOWNSUC]

If Creighton, Georgetown and Xavier win Seton Hall will be a 7, not a 3 or 4.

That's not right.

[bjf123]

If Creighton, Georgetown and Xavier win Seton Hall will be a 7, not a 3 or 4.

Not since they beat Nova.


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[bjf123]

I think if Marquette wins we should sit Naji and take our luck with St. Johns with a healthy Naji and the Nova side of the bracket if we lose without Naji.

That call’s been made. Naji is out per Shannon’s tweet.


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[Snipe]

Not since they beat Nova.


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Yeah I F-ed up that one.

[Snipe]

So is it a 100% lock now that X cannot get 3 seed?4-7?

Yep

[HenryMuto]

My assumption of Marquette getting a for sure win not looking so hot right now.

[XUOWNSUC]

My assumption of Marquette getting a for sure win not looking so hot right now.

I hate Marquette.

[HenryMuto]

I assume you guys are using this

https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/az4ysz/big_east_tournament_seeding_scenarios_credit/

3 seed was the favorite to start the day at 11.8% but Nova got upset.

[HenryMuto]

Jesus I can't believe G'Town is going to beat Marquette.

[HenryMuto]

If X and Creighton win X is 4 and Creighton is the 5. If Marquette wins they would be 1 in that situation (which was in only 4 of the 32 scenarios coming in).

If Marquette loses and X and Creighton win X 4, Creighton 5 and Nova 1.

Is that the preferred path Nova or Marquette ?

Looking like X must win or be the 7 (can't count on DePaul to win)

[HenryMuto]

Wow X has to win now otherwise 7 seed.......unreal

[stammina0721]

If X and Creighton win X is 4 and Creighton is the 5. If Marquette wins they would be 1 in that situation (which was in only 4 of the 32 scenarios coming in).

If Marquette loses and X and Creighton win X 4, Creighton 5 and Nova 1.

Is that the preferred path Nova or Marquette ?

Looking like X must win or be the 7 (can't count on DePaul to win)

I'm perfectly fine with that. No matter what I want to avoid Georgetown. They are my pick to win the BET right now and I'm my opinion are the worst matchup for X in the conference

[xudash]

Georgetown's freshmen guards are fearless. Georgetown is back, or will be fully back by next year.

And the Big East still only has two of 10 teams that can claim the regular season championship.

Marquette denied at the home today.

[bjf123]

We can be the 4, 5, 6, or 7 depending on what happens these last two BE games.

Win and we’re the 4 or 5. Lose and it’s 6 or 7.


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[Smooth]

My head hurts. Top two teams lose and X is not in a position to take advantage of that. I can't wait until next year when we won't have to be hanging out with the "common folk" any more.

[HenryMuto]

Hard to believe G'Town won at Marquette. Really is hard to believe. Man if X loses to have to win 4 straight.............

[HenryMuto]

This also hurts our chances as at large because it helps G'Town big time for at large bid to win at Marquette.

[bjf123]

This also hurts our chances as at large because it helps G'Town big time for at large bid to win at Marquette.

I don’t think we have any shot at an at large bid. It’s win the BET or nothing.


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[stammina0721]

This also hurts our chances as at large because it helps G'Town big time for at large bid to win at Marquette.

That died at Butler. X could win today beat Gtown or Creighton then beat Nova and still not get an at large sniff. Just gotta win 3

[HenryMuto]

That died at Butler. X could win today beat Gtown or Creighton then beat Nova and still not get an at large sniff. Just gotta win 3

Actually just have to win "4" either today plus 3 more or win 4 if lose today.

Honestly they are still in the bubble mix with a win today. Probably need to make the Big East finals though at a minimum.

[HenryMuto]

Creighton likely to win vs DePaul but who you rooting for to play round 1 ?

Do you want to play Creighton or G'Town ?

[AviatorX]

Creighton likely to win vs DePaul but who you rooting for to play round 1 ?

Do you want to play Creighton or G'Town ?

So if Creighton beats DePaul we’re the 4 playing 5 Creighton? And if Depaul wins were the 5 playing GT?

[mid major]

So if Creighton beats DePaul we’re the 4 playing 5 Creighton? And if Depaul wins were the 5 playing GT?

This would be a yes. Who would we rather face? In a down year the BE could still get 5 teams in. Incredible.

[xukeith]

Seton Hall, Villanova, St. Johns and Marquette I believe ar ein if tourney was today. Could there be a 5th team? Georgetown if they make finals or X if we win Tourney.

[stammina0721]

No question I'd rather play Creighton. Georgetown is a horrible matchup for X right now

[XUBison]

No question I'd rather play Creighton. Georgetown is a horrible matchup for X right now


I dunno. Weren’t we up In 2nd half of a close loss at G’town, after having already beaten them once? We got wiped off the court in our first matchup against Creighton and barely beat them in a junkyard game at home.

[profson]

Gtown and not even close. To even be considered for an at large bid we need to win 2. If Creighton loses today they are eliminated from the bubble and when we beat Gtown per the assumption we likely pass them too. Also Creighton’s offense has 5 on the arc with many screens and dives to the basket making it impossible to play two bigs in man to man (especially Hankins) and zone is a crapshoot against a three point team like them.

[Backyard Champ]

I don't know. Gtown frosh guards looked very good against Marquette tonight. Actually thought if they made NCAA tourney they could win a game with those two. Only advantage is we'd have the older guards, but weren't they destroying us at home? Granted we came back and won.

Though reality is, our defense has been very good these last few weeks. I honestly believe we can beat anyone in this tournament. Though strangely, I'm more nervous about the first round game over the second. Im probably crazy, but nova has less depth than we do, imo.

[bjf123]

Looks like it’s Creighton. Oh, well. Let’s Go X!!!!!!


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[xudash]

I believe we know this much: whoever wants it the most and whoever stays focused over 40 minutes has the best chance of winning any of these games from here on in.

And I direct that comment directly at Quentin Goodin.

[SemajParlor]

Lol Goodin played 39 minutes 7 assists 7 rebounds and 1 turnover tonight.

[stammina0721]

Lol Goodin played 39 minutes 7 assists 7 rebounds and 1 turnover tonight.

You are right... However 1 huge factor played into that. That is at no point did they play 7 straight basketball minutes with no whistles or TV time outs. Trust me that matters. Going 100 % that long is brutal and it happened twice in the Butler game.

At this point though who cares. We got the right matchup. Creighton is much better for us. I disagree with the person who said we can't play 2 bigs. Creighton will have nothing inside. I'll give them all the three they want. If they hit 15 to win I'll take that chance. Our bigs will brutalize them inside all game

[stammina0721]

Georgetown has the guards and Govan inside. He will play possessed. I absolutely do not want to see them until the finals because they can be better at the guard position and Govan can cancel out our bigs

[xudash]

Lol Goodin played 39 minutes 7 assists 7 rebounds and 1 turnover tonight.

How is he performing, shooting from deep?

I know he's trying and he wants to contribute, but he is mostly failing from behind the arc. And he can still be to casual with his passes.

It's not about balance in a grading system at this point; it's not about the good with the bad.

Now, as we go to NYC, we need him firing on all cylinders for 40 minutes, making good decisions virtually 100% of the time. Margin for error is crunching down to VERY THIN.

[AviatorX]

Lol Goodin played 39 minutes 7 assists 7 rebounds and 1 turnover tonight.

I’m done beating around the bush on this. Anyone who doesn’t see Q’s obvious value is a fucking idiot. The beating he takes on here is absolutely absurd. He can do no right.

[stammina0721]

I’m done beating around the bush on this. Anyone who doesn’t see Q’s obvious value is a fucking idiot. The beating he takes on here is absolutely absurd. He can do no right.

What are you talking about? Noone on this thread said anything about him negatively. The man is our QB and that is not in question. You have to be his mother or relative to find offense in that comment

[AviatorX]

What are you talking about? Noone on this thread said anything about him negatively. The man is our QB and that is not in question. You have to be his mother or relative to find offense in that comment

You must be new here. No issue with the comment I quoted (obviously).

[stammina0721]

I know this. Xavier will live or die based on Q's level of play. He is our PG and runs the show. That is why I made the comments about him needing a little breather every now and then. We need our floor general thinking straight and making great decisions and not gasping for air.

[xukeith]

If X wins Thursday, how will Q be fresh after playing 35 minutes plus and again on Friday?.....and Saturday...God willing?

[xavierj]

If X wins Thursday, how will Q be fresh after playing 35 minutes plus and again on Friday?.....and Saturday...God willing?

The minutes thing is overrated. Most teams have guys that play 35-40 minutes every night. Duke never plays more than 7 guys every year. Yesterday Nova and Duke each had three guys play between 36-40 minutes. And that is typical minutes for those guys. These are college athletes that play basketball for several hours a day. Plus the game has a ton of stoppages for media, regular timeouts and of course video review. I think people overplay the minutes played thing.