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GoMuskies
03-04-2019, 02:52 PM
Totally not just starting this thread on March 4th because Xavier shows up in the ESPN Bracketology (as one of 5-8th out) for the first time this year.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
GoMuskies
03-04-2019, 02:54 PM
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/04/march-madness-bracket-projection-virginia-duke-gonzaga-kentucky
UCGRAD4X
03-04-2019, 04:11 PM
Totally not just starting this thread on March 4th because Xavier shows up in the ESPN Bracketology (as one of 5-8th out) for the first time this year.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Totally!
atljar
03-04-2019, 04:13 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2019/03/04/with-selection-sunday-approaching-the-big-east-is-cannibalizing-itself/#403dd66043a0
whopper
03-04-2019, 04:37 PM
there is so much analysis these days if I were a player I would have a media blackout. It is so tight there is nothing to be gained for the players to be thinking of this (wonderful as it is for us fans). I see Elias Hardin is now back and I am hoping for 2-0 but if I had a choice I would like the senior day win. Both Butler and St Johns are desperate, as are we. Damn this is what sports is about, not No Carolina v Duke to determine a 1 or 2 seed.
Xville
03-04-2019, 04:42 PM
there is so much analysis these days if I were a player I would have a media blackout. It is so tight there is nothing to be gained for the players to be thinking of this (wonderful as it is for us fans). I see Elias Hardin is now back and I am hoping for 2-0 but if I had a choice I would like the senior day win. Both Butler and St Johns are desperate, as are we. Damn this is what sports is about, not No Carolina v Duke to determine a 1 or 2 seed.
Agreed....ESPN and media love to pimp that matchup when in reality, it usually means jack squat.
XU 87
03-04-2019, 05:45 PM
Based on where we were two weeks ago, I've never been so happy to be even in the consideration in the "next four out" group.
stammina0721
03-04-2019, 06:32 PM
Based on where we were two weeks ago, I've never been so happy to be even in the consideration in the "next four out" group.
Agreed whole heartedly. I am on record saying the Butler game is the one I'm scared of most. If we pull it out we are going to make it. Lose this game and all at large hopes are gone. This game cam right a lot of wrongs and can catapult us to being an extremely dangerous 11 seed
XU 87
03-04-2019, 06:47 PM
Agreed whole heartedly. I am on record saying the Butler game is the one I'm scared of most. If we pull it out we are going to make it. Lose this game and all at large hopes are gone. This game cam right a lot of wrongs and can catapult us to being an extremely dangerous 11 seed
I wouldn't go that far. Lose to Butler and then beat SJU and then go to the finals of the BE, I think an at large is still doable.
scoscox
03-04-2019, 08:05 PM
I'm nervous about every game. How can you not be? We're playing for our lives every game
xukeith
03-04-2019, 08:15 PM
I'm nervous about every game. How can you not be? We're playing for our lives every game
Agree. But happy to see X playing very well. Hope the confident, defense-superb team is ready to outrebound, out dunk, outscore and out hustle Butler.
That turnover happy team (I HOPE) is gone.
UCGRAD4X
03-04-2019, 08:19 PM
I would tend to agree with Stammina. If we are at best a "next four out" as many seem to think, losing to a bottom feeder like Butler would be hard to come back from.
We're off most prognosticator's radar as it is. A bad loss this late in the season would be crippling.
On the other hand, it would be nice to prove the 'experts' wrong.
Let's hope the committee thinks differently.
vee4xu
03-04-2019, 08:39 PM
Wow, this is a far cry from the "Fire Steele" thread. Amazing what three weeks and five straight wins can do to one's psyche.
noteggs
03-04-2019, 09:33 PM
Wow, this is a far cry from the "Fire Steele" thread. Amazing what three weeks and five straight wins can do to one's psyche.
Amen
scoscox
03-04-2019, 10:01 PM
Agree. But happy to see X playing very well. Hope the confident, defense-superb team is ready to outrebound, out dunk, outscore and out hustle Butler.
That turnover happy team (I HOPE) is gone.
We've actually been more turnover prone in our winning streak than we were all year (by a pretty wide margin), but to your larger point, I too hope the team we've been seeing recently continues to show up. I'll still be on edge every game through the rest of the year though
stammina0721
03-05-2019, 06:20 AM
Last night was huge... Texas, TCU both took absolute beatings yesterday. Time to win tonight and make our at large hopes a reality
kellernr
03-05-2019, 12:05 PM
Showing up in 2 brackets now. Slowly creeping closer
http://www.bracketmatrix.com
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GoMuskies
03-07-2019, 12:41 PM
Bracketology still lists us as one of the "Next 4 Out" right there with...checks notes...VD. Great. ESPN Bubble Watch is still acknowledging our existence as well.
May as well go ahead and beat St. John's and see what happens from there!
HenryMuto
03-09-2019, 06:58 PM
Losing at home to DePual and Providence hurt badly now. Also missing that big shot at the win vs Auburn in OT.
Win 2 of those 3 games and X would be a lock for the dance right now.
Amazing how those early season losses can come back to haunt.
GoMuskies
03-09-2019, 07:08 PM
If we beat Auburn, we’d have a loss to Dook instead of a loss to San Diego State. That would be better.
Xavier
03-09-2019, 07:30 PM
If one loss was switched to a win they would feel very good right now. Butler loss stings even more. Oh well, win 3
OTRMUSKIE
03-09-2019, 07:54 PM
Win 2 and pray
mid major
03-09-2019, 07:55 PM
Win 2 and pray
+1
xukeith
03-09-2019, 08:11 PM
I wouldn't go that far. Lose to Butler and then beat SJU and then go to the finals of the BE, I think an at large is still doable.
maybe a 2% chance
stammina0721
03-09-2019, 08:47 PM
I just don't see it with a non existent non conference resume. It's a different story if we have that win vs Auburn
drudy23
03-10-2019, 12:55 AM
We're not getting an at-large bid, let's just stop talking about it.
stammina0721
03-10-2019, 01:43 AM
We're not getting an at-large bid, let's just stop talking about it.
Agreed
stammina0721
03-10-2019, 01:44 AM
Especially with the Belmont loss today. Belmont will be in
xu 89
03-10-2019, 10:57 AM
Especially with the Belmont loss today. Belmont will be in
I don't think that mattered....Murray was in as well had they lost.
bleedXblue
03-10-2019, 11:00 AM
There is no at large
Slimmest of slim chance IF we make the finals..........I would give it about a 5% chance..........Butler loss was a killer
Gotta win 3
XU 87
03-10-2019, 11:36 AM
I'm revising my opinion abut the possible at-large if we get to the finals of the BE tourney. X's NET ranking went from 73 to 71 with the win yesterday. It just seems like there's too much room to make up at this point.
So go win the Tourney. (See 2004)
scoscox
03-10-2019, 01:18 PM
I'm revising my opinion abut the possible at-large if we get to the finals of the BE tourney. X's NET ranking went from 73 to 71 with the win yesterday. It just seems like there's too much room to make up at this point.
So go win the Tourney. (See 2004)
the only hope for an at large is if we blow out creighton and whoever we play in the semis. winning it all is still our best shot
stammina0721
03-10-2019, 01:57 PM
That doesn't even get us there. It's win 2 guarantees a high NIT seed. The big show is going to take 3 more wins and nothing less especially with Belmont possibly taking an at large spot
xukeith
03-10-2019, 02:03 PM
Biggest concern is getting Q rest IF X wins or during the game so he is not exhausted Friday. Just win. Can X defense control a hot BlueJay 3 point team?
They looked unbeatable vs. DePaul and they blew us out. We got lucky at home with that inbound pass. Hoep we are 180 degrees different and can defend the 3 and rebound. They are red hot as are we.
fellahmuskie
03-10-2019, 02:14 PM
Creighton honestly looked pretty bad against DePaul, outside of Ballock. We could win or lose by 20, of course, but if we keep playing defense the way we have during this streak, we should be fine.
XU 87
03-10-2019, 02:26 PM
Does anyone know what X's NET ranking went from before the Streak started and now? I'm thinking X was in the 90's, but I don't know.
OTRMUSKIE
03-10-2019, 02:33 PM
It was def hanging around 100/90’s before the streak. They def reward road wins. VD jumped 5 spots beating Duquesne who is like 140.
scoscox
03-10-2019, 03:00 PM
That doesn't even get us there. It's win 2 guarantees a high NIT seed. The big show is going to take 3 more wins and nothing less especially with Belmont possibly taking an at large spot
Blowout wins on a neutral court against creighton and villanova would mean a lot. both would give our net a huge boost. it could be enough to get our net up into the low 50's. it's a long shot though and you're probably right just speculating
scoscox
03-10-2019, 03:02 PM
Creighton honestly looked pretty bad against DePaul, outside of Ballock. We could win or lose by 20, of course, but if we keep playing defense the way we have during this streak, we should be fine.
creighton beat us by 22 at their place and we barely squeaked out an overtime win at home when we were playing well. they clearly give us problems. we'll need to be on our game to win
stammina0721
03-10-2019, 06:16 PM
Blowout wins on a neutral court against creighton and villanova would mean a lot. both would give our net a huge boost. it could be enough to get our net up into the low 50's. it's a long shot though and you're probably right just speculating
Its just not the case. The at large teams will be selected before Friday. The only changes will come from conference tourney upsets like Gonzaga not winning. Besides that the teams will already be picked. By Friday night the committee is building the bracket as well as one or two contingency brackets
chico
03-10-2019, 06:43 PM
If we win 2 games in New York and all the favorites win their conference tournaments we have a pretty good shot. But there are always one or two conferences that have upsets and steal a bid. Anything other than winning the conference will make for a long weekend waiting for the section show.
This year's especially tough because there are so many mediocre teams and we're right there with them all. All these bad teams can't make deep runs in their conference tourneys so if we do it could help separate us from the pack just enough to get us in.
fellahmuskie
03-10-2019, 06:47 PM
creighton beat us by 22 at their place and we barely squeaked out an overtime win at home when we were playing well. they clearly give us problems. we'll need to be on our game to win
We lost at home to Providence, then blew them out on the road. I'm not saying Creighton can't beat us, but I would take the result in Omaha with a grain of salt given how much better we've been since then.
scoscox
03-10-2019, 06:55 PM
We lost at home to Providence, then blew them out on the road. I'm not saying Creighton can't beat us, but I would take the result in Omaha with a grain of salt given how much better we've been since then.
We should've swept providence. Creighton is much better than providence. All I'm saying is that they can beat us. I don't think they're 22 points better than us, but this will be a tough game
fellahmuskie
03-10-2019, 07:16 PM
We should've swept providence. Creighton is much better than providence. All I'm saying is that they can beat us. I don't think they're 22 points better than us, but this will be a tough game
Agree it's going to be a tough game. Hopefully the defense brings it for 40 minutes because you can never let up against Creighton.
GIMMFD
03-10-2019, 07:56 PM
Agree it's going to be a tough game. Hopefully the defense brings it for 40 minutes because you can never let up against Creighton.
And may Naji be fully rested and ready to go.
Xuperman
03-10-2019, 08:20 PM
If not for Martin Krampelj, these CU guys are SOFT. That Ballock kid is a 1 trick pony with no COJONES....CRUSH THE BJ'S!!!
SemajParlor
03-10-2019, 09:02 PM
I don't see anyway we get an at large after 2 wins. Love the optimism though
Xville
03-10-2019, 09:43 PM
I don't see anyway we get an at large after 2 wins. Love the optimism though
Yeah not gonna happen. Ugh stupid butler game ruined it.
And may Naji be fully rested and ready to go.
Amen.
HenryMuto
03-10-2019, 10:54 PM
Yeah not gonna happen. Ugh stupid butler game ruined it.
It was not the Butler game as much as it was losing at home to DePaul and not beating Auburn that ruined it.
That said 2 wins and getting to the BE finals and I am calling my shot saying X gets in.
stammina0721
03-11-2019, 12:00 AM
It was not the Butler game as much as it was losing at home to DePaul and not beating Auburn that ruined it.
That said 2 wins and getting to the BE finals and I am calling my shot saying X gets in.
I'll call my shot in saying no matter who is in the BEF, bet the under. Always a great bet in a physical conference after 3 days of teams beating the crap out of each other
stammina0721
03-11-2019, 12:04 AM
But yeah the at large chances are long gone cause of the Butler game. Win that and the win vs St. John's puts our NET around 58 or 59 today. That loss really hurt. Despite everything we had the opportunity to control our own destiny but let it slip away.
Great thing is we get one more chance. X controls their destiny. Three wins is all it takes and we have proven we can beat anyone in the league. Let's make it happen
fellahmuskie
03-11-2019, 09:29 AM
It was not the Butler game as much as it was losing at home to DePaul and not beating Auburn that ruined it.
That said 2 wins and getting to the BE finals and I am calling my shot saying X gets in.
I'm in the at large camp, too, but only if we beat Creighton convincingly and then take down Nova.
bjf123
03-12-2019, 11:20 AM
I have no idea how the committee is looking at things this year, but I found this interesting. Our NET ranking is 71, which leads to to believe we’re out without winning the BET. Maybe making the championship game will also get us there.
However, I keep hearing about Quad 1 wins. As of yesterday, there are 32 teams with higher NET rankings than X, but with fewer Quad 1 wins. How much of an impact will that have? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Mrs. Garrett
03-12-2019, 12:10 PM
I have no idea how the committee is looking at things this year, but I found this interesting. Our NET ranking is 71, which leads to to believe we’re out without winning the BET. Maybe making the championship game will also get us there.
However, I keep hearing about Quad 1 wins. As of yesterday, there are 32 teams with higher NET rankings than X, but with fewer Quad 1 wins. How much of an impact will that have? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I think our issue is some of our bad losses as opposed to our Quad 1 wins.
scoscox
03-12-2019, 12:54 PM
aka losing to depaul and providence at home really hurt
dethwing
03-12-2019, 01:10 PM
We didn't beat a single team out of conference with a winning record. And we lost to a bad Missouri. That basically means we're counting on a 9-9 big east record to be worth something. And I don't think it's worth enough.
XU 87
03-12-2019, 04:47 PM
Lunardi doesn't even have us on the bubble at this point.
stammina0721
03-12-2019, 07:46 PM
Not a surprise ... We literally have no non conference resume. If we all blindly looked at Xavier's resume I'd imagine a majority of us would say not an at large candidate
Syracuse and UCLA have gotten in with stinko records. And there seems to be a group of "courtesy invites every year. Knight in his latter years had 2 or 3 lousy teams get in , only to get embarrassed by some middling mid major. You just never know with the committee. That said, Thurs may be the most difficult of a potential 3 games to win. Bluejays not a good matchup for us.
Xville
03-12-2019, 10:08 PM
Bubble could shrink by 1 tonight...st Mary's beating the zags at the beginning of the second half. Very early though.
GoMuskies
03-12-2019, 10:17 PM
SMC was already on the Bubble. Just playing Gonzaga close may be enough.
Xville
03-12-2019, 10:51 PM
Ballgame
GoMuskies
03-12-2019, 10:52 PM
Man, 47 points. The Zags must have had way too much fun in Vegas last night.
scoscox
03-12-2019, 10:53 PM
Gonzaga loks awful. Don't look remotely like a 1 seed.
GoMuskies
03-12-2019, 10:56 PM
They may not have looked the part tonight, but they're obviously still going to be one on Sunday.
HenryMuto
03-12-2019, 11:23 PM
Freaking Gonzaga loses to a team no where near the bubble. So that hurts X that's 1 less spot.
HenryMuto
03-12-2019, 11:25 PM
They may not have looked the part tonight, but they're obviously still going to be one on Sunday.
They really shouldn't be a #1 seed.
They have exactly 1 win vs a team solidly in the field and a great win it was beating Duke but their next best win is over Washington at home by 2 pts a team that freaking lost to horrible Cal.
How is that a #1 seed resume ? A bunch of cupcakes they beat.
GoMuskies
03-12-2019, 11:43 PM
They're one of the four best teams in the country. Thus, #1 seed.
scoscox
03-12-2019, 11:52 PM
They may not have looked the part tonight, but they're obviously still going to be one on Sunday.
They could easily lose the spot to Duke
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 12:01 AM
That would be ridiculous.
scoscox
03-13-2019, 12:04 AM
why? gonzaga's resume isn't really that strong. If Duke wins the ACC tourney they'll probably get it
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 12:05 AM
Who cares about resume. It only takes eyes to know they're one of the four best. Or advanced stats.
scoscox
03-13-2019, 12:08 AM
I mean, they looked outright awful tonight. I can't imagine any of the other 1 seeds getting held to 47 by st mary's
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 12:09 AM
Not even Virginia? Pretty sure a lot of that roster was held to 54 in a 20 point loss to UMBC.
Obviously a terrible night for Gonzaga, but that's the best offense in college basketball.
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 12:33 AM
For the record, it probably doesn't matter that much. Either way, I suspect Dook and Gonzaga will be the #4 and #5 teams (so the 1 and 2 seeds out West). If Zion is healthy, I'd expect those two to end up with a Maui Invitational championship rematch for a spot in the Final Four.
Unless, of course, Xavier wins the BET and is in that region. In which case, we'll just have to beat both of them.
scoscox
03-13-2019, 12:52 AM
right. i think they 4 and 5 right now and a double digit loss to st mary's and duke winning the acc tourney could flip them. all i'm saying.
Xville
03-13-2019, 07:11 AM
As we all know, having a one seed or not means zero in the grand scheme of things...espn and the like spend way too much time arguing about it as if it really matters. It really doesn't and spare me the "well #1 seeds get to the blah blah blah round at a whatever percentage rate more than 2s" That may be true, but has zero bearing on future events. Matchups a thousand times more important.
beatuc
03-13-2019, 11:06 AM
Looks like that St. Mary's win has more people thinking Xavier is in trouble. I don't think X can afford any more surprises with teams going on a run in their conference tourney. https://twitter.com/BoW_Data/status/1105664019128553473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3ABoW_Data%7C twcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fborderingonwisdom.wordpress. com%2Fbracket-matrix%2F
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 11:12 AM
I mean, Xavier was already in trouble. I'd have been much more concerned with Gonzaga losing to St. Mary's if Xavier had beaten Butler, because we'd have been right on the cut line in that scenario. As it is, we were already a longshot even with wins over Creighton and Villanova and a close loss to Marquette.
May as well just win the damned thing.
HenryMuto
03-13-2019, 11:16 AM
It opens the door for 3 ACC teams being #1 seeds. If Duke wins ACC tournament they will be a #1 seed hell they might be #1 overall as the committee could discount their non Zion loss games based on him being back and they won.
Virginia will be a top 2 overall seed
If Kentucky or Tennessee wins the SEC tournament that will likely be a #1 seed
If North Carolina loses to Duke the committee might give them a #1 seed based on beating Duke twice (stupid I know because you discount their losses but give NC full credit)
Not saying it happens but saying its possible.
Gonzaga though might be a great team but the resume is what your seeded on. They have 4 quad 1 wins.....the other top 7 teams have 8+ quad one wins. Gonzaga has the worst winning % vs quad 1 just 57% while all other 7 teams up there for a #1 seed has a higher %.
Gonzaga has beat only 2 teams considered NCAA tourney at large teams Duke and Washington.
They are getting a pass for beating almost no one because they have only 2 losses until now. Saint May's is ranked high in the NET which is stupid they have 11 losses and beat 0 teams in the field at large teams.
If UNCG is being left out of the entire tournament based on a 28-6 record with 0 losses outside the top 45 NET yet Gonzaga gets a 1 seed hell even a 2 seed resume wise is too high for Gonzaga based on who they beat. UNCG isn't likely to get in at all yet Gonzaga a 1 seed. All because of the Duke win.
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 11:25 AM
Also because Gonzaga beat the holy hell out of everyone they played and everyone knows they're one of the handful of best teams and that UNCG is not (not that I'd mind UNCG getting in over the Clemsons or Indianas of the world).
HenryMuto
03-13-2019, 12:18 PM
Houston should be a #1 seed then. They only lost 2 games have a better quad 1 record than Gonzaga, a better quad 2 record and less total losses.
HenryMuto
03-13-2019, 12:19 PM
Tennessee should be a #1 seed over Gonzaga. They have only 1 more loss and way more quad 1 wins and beat Gonzaga head to head.
Gonzaga probably still gets #1 seed but they shouldn't based on resume. It doesn't matter how good people think they are and that they beat the hell out of the sisters of the poor all year long. It should only matter wins and losses and who you beat and where.
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 12:28 PM
Houston should be a #1 seed then. They only lost 2 games have a better quad 1 record than Gonzaga, a better quad 2 record and less total losses.
Anyone with eyes (or access to KenPom) knows that Gonzaga is a lot better than Houston.
Xville
03-13-2019, 02:03 PM
clemson just got completely effed on a phantom foul call....might keep them out of the tournament. To be fair, they blew a huge lead so they should have never been in that position in the first place, but still.
paulxu
03-13-2019, 02:04 PM
At least Wofford didn't let UNCG get an auto bid and bump somebody.
HenryMuto
03-13-2019, 02:09 PM
Was rooting for both teams to lose so both would be out. Clemson has to be out for sure now. 1-10 in quad 1 games. NC State still horrific resume Non conf SOS 353 out of 353. That's pathetic.
I am hoping that Xavier, Ohio State, Belmont and UNCG get in but fear none will.
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 02:10 PM
At least Wofford didn't let UNCG get an auto bid and bump somebody.
Thank you Terriers!
UCGRAD4X
03-13-2019, 04:31 PM
Also because Gonzaga beat the holy hell out of everyone they played and everyone knows they're one of the handful of best teams and that UNCG is not (not that I'd mind UNCG getting in over the Clemsons or Indianas of the world).
...how about Xavier?
Thank you Terriers!
"Woof, woof!" Or should I say, "Yap Yap!"
I mean, c'mon, Terriers, really?
(actually my niece goes there - baby sister's little girl)
GoMuskies
03-13-2019, 04:34 PM
...how about Xavier?
If I was not a fan of Xavier, I'd say that Xavier belongs no where near the Tournament Bubble. Luckily, I've been into the Kool-aid.
UCGRAD4X
03-13-2019, 04:40 PM
If I was not a fan of Xavier, I'd say that Xavier belongs no where near the Tournament Bubble. Luckily, I've been into the Kool-aid.
Tastes so good.
Thank you sir may I have another....and another....
STL_XUfan
03-15-2019, 01:14 PM
Every year I feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football. All of the pundits during championship week tell us how X or Y game is a defacto play in game or this team has a real chance to play their way onto the bubble. And every year I believe them only to be told by selection committee after the bracket is revealed that they had their minds made up on Wednesday.
So while my heart says we have a real shot at kicking the football this time, my brain knows that we need to win the Big East tournament.
chico
03-15-2019, 03:07 PM
VCU and LSU did us no favors.
HenryMuto
03-15-2019, 03:13 PM
VCU and LSU did us no favors.
Looks like Auto bid or best now that's 2 bids that just got poached
stammina0721
03-15-2019, 03:35 PM
Guys the at large teams are already selected. The only thing that changes that now are bid stealers
HenryMuto
03-15-2019, 03:49 PM
Guys the at large teams are already selected. The only thing that changes that now are bid stealers
Not true. The committee said this morning that 32 of the 36 have been selected and that includes teams like Kentucky, Villanova, Marquette, Kansas, ect so if any of those teams that are already selected for an at large bid wins their tournament then that opens up another at large spot.
This is how it works when they finally select all 36 at large teams 3-4-5 more spots will open up when all teams remaining in a conf tournament are all at large teams then that opens up another spot or win 1 wins a conf tournament say like a Washington if they were selected already as at large.
drudy23
03-15-2019, 03:57 PM
We're not getting an at-large.
Just focus on drinking enough beer/bourbon/whatever your taste to ensure the basketball gods are in our favor tonight and tomorrow night.
And remember, yelling at the TV helps them win.
mid major
03-15-2019, 05:07 PM
VCU and LSU did us no favors.
Anyone know how far down Memphis is? Just saw they completely waxed UCF, a team I feel is safely in. Is the AAC that good? Pundits saying Houston, UC, UCF, Temple and now maybe another team might make it in. I get that we're no where close to the bubble but a Creighton win could have gotten them in.
SkyWalker
03-15-2019, 05:32 PM
We're not getting an at-large.
Just focus on drinking enough beer/bourbon/whatever your taste to ensure the basketball gods are in our favor tonight and tomorrow night.
And remember, yelling at the TV helps them win.
I agree with your Drudy. The only way we get an at-large is if we beat Nova tonight and Marquette/Seton Hall tomorrow night and then we don't need an at-large bid anyway.
MHettel
03-15-2019, 06:01 PM
I'm not giving up hope for an at-large.....but I accept its a stretch. Here is the case:
-The Big East had 10 out of 10 teams finish the season with a .500 overall record or better. Did I hear that that was the FIRST and ONLY time that every team in a conference had a .500 Record or better. This speaks to RELATIVE strength of the conference among all the D1 conferences.
- we had a GLUT of teams that finished with 7-9 wins. 8 of the 10 teams finished within 2 games of each other in the standings. Speaks to a large degree of balance and parity in the conference.
- Looking at the recent history of the BE, we've got the NC in the 2 of teh last 3 years and this has been a 5-6 bid conference a few times very recently. you can argue that none of that matters. I would argue that IT DOESNT HURT!
- Due to the above, there MAY be this idea that this years Big East should be a 4 bid conference. Since we already KNOW that VU & MU are 2 of the 4, and logic dictates that SHU is probably already in, then there is the potential for 1 more bid among XU, SJU, CU, GU, & BU.
- We just beat Creighton straight up
- Butler Shit the bed
- SJU shit the bed
- Georgetown shit the bed
- So, WHEN (not if), we beat Nova tonight, we will have clearly shown that we are the fourth best team in the conference.
- AND, when you consider what we lost....including 5 very important contributors to last years #1 seed....as well as a HEAD COACH....it becomes VERY easy to rationalize a slow start to the season.
- and lastly, when you think about how this team has finished down the stretch, it REALLY allows the committee to consider the team today to be much different than the team that started the year.
- And this team, right now, is tournament worthy.
but I still give it a 30% chance. Winning tonight is vital to keeping teh at-large dream alive. this game is essentially win or go home.
GIMMFD
03-15-2019, 06:03 PM
I agree with your Drudy. The only way we get an at-large is if we beat Nova tonight and Marquette/Seton Hall tomorrow night and then we don't need an at-large bid anyway.
I'm on this general consensus as well, I think even a win tonight and loss against Marquette/Seton Hall would end up with us just missing, with probably a pretty high seed in the NIT. I'm hoping we come out, bust a couple brackets. The way the transfers have come on the last few games, you can tell this team is starting to believe and want it. Hope we play a complete game, it's my Med School Formal night and I refused heading over to pre-game early, MAKE IT WORTH IT X, PLEASE.
MHettel
03-15-2019, 06:11 PM
LOOKING AT CONFERENCE STATS
-EVERY single BE team scored more points than they allowed this year.
-conference was 19-30 against top 25. Decent. I suppose if you were .500 or better, it would suggest that they collective strencght of the team was essentially "top 25".
I believe there is a shot. Im inching up my odds to 35%. If I keep drinking, we'll be in and the betting favorites.
MHettel
03-15-2019, 06:13 PM
it's my Med School Formal night and I refused heading over to pre-game early, MAKE IT WORTH IT X, PLEASE.
fucking EASY decision.
HenryMuto
03-15-2019, 09:54 PM
The party's over this year.
stammina0721
03-15-2019, 11:45 PM
The party's over this year.
Bull... We are going NIT and playing longer than a lot of NCAA teams. NIT is a great prize knowing we were 3-8 at one point in the conference. we will be back in MSG and getting our second NIT championship.
HenryMuto
03-15-2019, 11:49 PM
Bull... We are going NIT and playing longer than a lot of NCAA teams. NIT is a great prize knowing we were 3-8 at one point in the conference. we will be back in MSG and getting our second NIT championship.
I was talking about an NCAA bid
stammina0721
03-15-2019, 11:53 PM
I was talking about an NCAA bid
That is obvious but let's support this team especially guys like Hankins. I don't think anyone would disagree that he is one of the most liked guys on this team and one we have to Cheer for as long as possible
HenryMuto
03-16-2019, 02:18 PM
Ulitmately if X had won at home vs DePaul and won vs Nova yesterday I think that would have locked up a bid. If X gets a #1 seed in the NIT that would prove how close they were as they top 4 left out get the #1 NIT bids.
XU 87
03-16-2019, 02:57 PM
Ulitmately if X had won at home vs DePaul and won vs Nova yesterday I think that would have locked up a bid. If X gets a #1 seed in the NIT that would prove how close they were as they top 4 left out get the #1 NIT bids.
Or won 2 of the 4 home league games where we had double digit leads under 12 minutes in the second half.
XU 87
03-16-2019, 02:59 PM
Hope we play a complete game, it's my Med School Formal night and I refused heading over to pre-game early, MAKE IT WORTH IT X, PLEASE.
Hmmmm. What you rather do? Sit around and talk about your cadaver? Or watch Xavier basketball?
Caveat
03-16-2019, 03:40 PM
Bull... We are going NIT and playing longer than a lot of NCAA teams. NIT is a great prize knowing we were 3-8 at one point in the conference. we will be back in MSG and getting our second NIT championship.
Bragging “We are going [to] be playing longer than a lot of NCAA teams” is pretty weak.
OTRMUSKIE
03-16-2019, 04:05 PM
Def something a Dayton fan would say. Rather lose in the PIG then win the NIT. However if there were ever a year I would be happy to See X play in the NIT it’s this year. I think this can tell us just how far Steele has come as a young coach. Plus come next Mon when the sweet 16 has been set and all other teams in the area are done, I think you will be a little more excited. I rather have a NIT championship then nothing.
stammina0721
03-16-2019, 04:13 PM
Def something a Dayton fan would say. Rather lose in the PIG then win the NIT. However if there were ever a year I would be happy to See X play in the NIT it’s this year. I think this can tell us just how far Steele has come as a young coach. Plus come next Mon when the sweet 16 has been set and all other teams in the area are done, I think you will be a little more excited. I rather have a NIT championship then nothing.
So are you agreeing with me cause after the first sentence you literally say my thoughts exactly.? I swear I just don't get some people's logic.
Yes I think the NIT is a great reward because of the circumstances we found ourselves in. New coach, lost a ton of scoring and starting 3-8 in conference. That is the perfect storm of a lost season. The boys battled back and gave the NCAA a real run.
However, it was understood by a majority of the fan base that was not going to be a real goal this year. Making the NCAA would have been a huge bonus. We all would rather be in a PIG as opposed to the NIT but that was a pipe dream that the guys valiantly almost made happen. So under all of those perameters, yes, I feel the NIT is a damn good accomplishment and I'll be cheering for them hard.
scoscox
03-16-2019, 04:25 PM
If nothing else it's an opportunity to put a few more in the win column and give travis a 20+ win season in his first year.
HenryMuto
03-16-2019, 05:57 PM
Rough one to take up 8 with 2:57 and blow it. Wow what a rough last 2 days.
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