Turnovers

[Muskie4106]

Just going to leave this here. Great win last night BUT it shouldn't have been that close

Our Point Guard Q - 5 turnovers
Our backup PG Scruggs - 4 Turnovers
Our "Go To" guy Naji - 4 Turnovers


Been saying this all season - those 3 clean up their play and play to their potential and we can beat anybody.


At the end of the day a win is a win. These 3 take care of the ball we have a chance to win BIG every game IMO.

[Xville]

Completely agree. The frustrating part is that most of the Tos aren't because of the defense, it's more bad decision making or lazy passing. Clean this up and this team can really start to make some noise.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was losing my mind last night watching the turnovers. as xville said it isnt even because of defense, they are mostly unforced turnovers just due to laziness or lack of playing under control.

If we can ever get Q, Scurggs, Naji, and Jones to click at the same time we could be very dangerous.

[Muskie4106]

I was losing my mind last night watching the turnovers. as xville said it isnt even because of defense, they are mostly unforced turnovers just due to laziness or lack of playing under control.

If we can ever get Q, Scurggs, Naji, and Jones to click at the same time we could be very dangerous.

Can't agree more. These 3 clean up their play and Jones playing the way he is, lets just say I wouldn't want to play Xavier right now.

[whopper]

I am baffled by the trend towards "between the legs" dribbling. I have heard that is is the equivalent of a cross over without showing the ball. I have noticed the slightest mishandle on a between the legs causes a problem that results 2 seconds later in a turnover as the player recovers from the mishandle and loses focus. It should never be done without an absolute need yet I see Scruggs, Marshall (not Q) doing it all the time. I would say that Scruggs and Marshall account for 1 turnover each game as a result of this without any perceived benefit.

[IM4X]

I am baffled by the trend towards "between the legs" dribbling. I have heard that is is the equivalent of a cross over without showing the ball. I have noticed the slightest mishandle on a between the legs causes a problem that results 2 seconds later in a turnover as the player recovers from the mishandle and loses focus. It should never be done without an absolute need yet I see Scruggs, Marshall (not Q) doing it all the time. I would say that Scruggs and Marshall account for 1 turnover each game as a result of this without any perceived benefit.

Yes... good observation. Sometimes it does help to keep the defender off the ball, but do it too often or do it when you are too close to multiple players and you simply are asking for a turnover.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Any decently coordinated 8th grader can dribble between the legs. This is most definitely not the true problem. They just aren’t overall good ball handlers for this level. Them not dribbling between the legs won’t fix this.

[IM4X]

I too have stated early in the season that this team has enough talent to beat any BE team simply by making a few less careless turnovers and taking a few less bad shots.

Some of these turnovers are SO EASY to fix.

Last night (towards the end of the game) Q had the ball at the top of the key and was looking for help. Instead of taking a quick few steps toward Q to create a little separation from the player guarding him, Castlin simply stays where he is and puts his hand up. Q, not seeing any other options, throws the ball and the defender (not being lazy like Castlin) jumps in front, stealing it and taking it for an easy bucket. Though Q gets the TO, it really is on Castlin.

Steele needs to show his players that play again and then replay it again and then replay it again and say, “If anyone just stands around with their hand up, making a pass like this hard for a teammate, you are sitting. This type of play should NEVER happen and it may just be the type of bonehead, lazy decision that costs us a game. We have lost so many close games we should have won simply becasue of a few too many of these types of plays. Be aware. Make every pass easy for your teammate. Last night we should have beaten that team by at least 10... and becasue of our laziness, we almost lost the game. From now on, I expect every person out their on the floor to be playing their hardest and smartest every secoond on defense AND OFFENSE. We do that and we can’t beat anyone.”

[paulxu]

This is just an impression.
I go to a lot of Wofford games. Their offense is constantly in motion. And I do mean constantly.
They are cutting screens without the ball, running to the pass, cutting back door, everything.
My impression of our offense is that it is very, very static.
The around the key movement doesn't seemed designed to break off into a play. Just pass the ball around.

Wofford's point guard averages 1.3 TO's per game.
Q averages 2.9
Scruggs 2.8
Marshal 3.4

Just imagine how good we'd be if we could correct that.

[scoscox]

I am baffled by the trend towards "between the legs" dribbling. I have heard that is is the equivalent of a cross over without showing the ball. I have noticed the slightest mishandle on a between the legs causes a problem that results 2 seconds later in a turnover as the player recovers from the mishandle and loses focus. It should never be done without an absolute need yet I see Scruggs, Marshall (not Q) doing it all the time. I would say that Scruggs and Marshall account for 1 turnover each game as a result of this without any perceived benefit.

lol the "trend" towards between the legs dribbling? what is this 1975?

[whopper]

I too have stated early in the season that this team has enough talent to beat any BE team simply by making a few less careless turnovers and taking a few less bad shots.

Some of these turnovers are SO EASY to fix.

Last night (towards the end of the game) Q had the ball at the top of the key and was looking for help. Instead of taking a quick few steps toward Q to create a little separation from the player guarding him, Castlin simply stays where he is and puts his hand up. Q, not seeing any other options, throws the ball and the defender (not being lazy like Castlin) jumps in front, stealing it and taking it for an easy bucket. Though Q gets the TO, it really is on Castlin.

Steele needs to show his players that play again and then replay it again and then replay it again and say, “If anyone just stands around with their hand up, making a pass like this hard for a teammate, you are sitting. This type of play should NEVER happen and it may just be the type of bonehead, lazy decision that costs us a game. We have lost so many close games we should have won simply becasue of a few too many of these types of plays. Be aware. Make every pass easy for your teammate. Last night we should have beaten that team by at least 10... and becasue of our laziness, we almost lost the game. From now on, I expect every person out their on the floor to be playing their hardest and smartest every secoond on defense AND OFFENSE. We do that and we can’t beat anyone.”

that play caused me to scream WHAT and my wife to get pissed and leave the room. The receiver is at least 40% responsible for the success of the pass and if you don't step in to throw AND receive the pass it is death. Throwing across your body is death..throwing one handed passes at crunch time is death.

[Double Down]

Fatigue plays a part here but obviously not the only reason. The last 6 minutes in many of our games our guys are running out of gas. Physical fatigue turns to mental fatigue which in turn leans to lazy passes, lack of ball control and just plain bad judgement. Their legs are too tired to be shooting these 3's late in the game. Drive to the hole and find Jones, Hankins or take the short runner themselves and get to the line. 1 of 2 from the foul line is better than an airball 3.

[hydmuskie]

Fatigue plays a part here but obviously not the only reason. The last 6 minutes in many of our games our guys are running out of gas. Physical fatigue turns to mental fatigue which in turn leans to lazy passes, lack of ball control and just plain bad judgement. Their legs are too tired to be shooting these 3's late in the game. Drive to the hole and find Jones, Hankins or take the short runner themselves and get to the line. 1 of 2 from the foul line is better than an airball 3.

Unfortunately we STARTED the 2nd half with 6 TOs..... in the first 4 mins it seemed like.....

[xuwin]

Just going to leave this here. Great win last night BUT it shouldn't have been that close

Our Point Guard Q - 5 turnovers
Our backup PG Scruggs - 4 Turnovers
Our "Go To" guy Naji - 4 Turnovers


Been saying this all season - those 3 clean up their play and play to their potential and we can beat anybody.


At the end of the day a win is a win. These 3 take care of the ball we have a chance to win BIG every game IMO.

I think if they could clean up the turnovers it would have happened by now. Maybe they are trying to fix something that they don't have the skills to fix and only experience will help.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Unfortunately we STARTED the 2nd half with 6 TOs..... in the first 4 mins it seemed like.....

We did have 6 in the first 6 1/2 mins. That was brutal.

[xuwin]

Fatigue plays a part here but obviously not the only reason. The last 6 minutes in many of our games our guys are running out of gas. Physical fatigue turns to mental fatigue which in turn leans to lazy passes, lack of ball control and just plain bad judgement. Their legs are too tired to be shooting these 3's late in the game. Drive to the hole and find Jones, Hankins or take the short runner themselves and get to the line. 1 of 2 from the foul line is better than an airball 3.

In the last 6 minutes of the game when Seton Hall was making their comeback both of their big men were in the game with 4 fouls. We made no attempt to work the ball inside which would seem to be the logical strategy. When the guards did manage to penetrate the middle there was nobody to pass to and it usually resulted in a turnover. Our guys seem to struggling to move without the ball to get open for a pass.

[Blue Blooded-05]

that play caused me to scream WHAT and my wife to get pissed and leave the room

Last night’s game challenged last year’s FSU game for the most GD’s yelled within 10 minutes...

Watching X collapse is bad enough. Watching X collapse while the baby is screaming because you woke her up... which then woke your wife up who went to bed early because she had to get up at 5 AM for work the next morning... let’s just say the doghouse was chilly last night.

But we got the Tier 1 road win!

[paulxu]

They weren't too gassed to not have a jumping up and down locker room celebration.

[UCGRAD4X]

I think if they could clean up the turnovers it would have happened by now. Maybe they are trying to fix something that they don't have the skills to fix and only experience will help.

I can recall at least one game where they didn't have double digit turnovers. So it IS possible.

[X-Fan]

lol the "trend" towards between the legs dribbling? what is this 1975?
LOL! The man is keeping me down so Public Reps. 😂

[bleedXblue]

You think Jay Wright is gonna pressure the ball.......LOL.

[xdude]

Yes, the turnovers suck, many unforced. Just win baby win. A wounded Nova Sunday...

[X-band '01]

FWIW, Xavier only committed seven turnovers against Nova during the first game. The problem that game was Nova hitting 15 3-point shots.

Let's also hope that Zach Hankins doesn't get chained to the bench for the 2nd half this go-around.

[Muskie4106]

Scruggs - 0 TURNOVERS and 2 assist
Goodin - 3 Turnovers 4 assist
Marshall - 3 Turnovers 4 assist

+4 assist to turnover = Nova spankin'

Great game Sunday