Big East Bid Collusion

[JTG]

Anyone else catch Brian Snow's tweet about the Big East being masters at NCAA bid collusion? He hints that Marq and Nova will take a dive so that two bubble teams will play on Sat at MSG. Thoughts

[xudash]

Anyone else catch Brian Snow's tweet about the Big East being masters at NCAA bid collusion? He hints that Marq and Nova will take a dive so that two bubble teams will play on Sat at MSG. Thoughts

My thoughts: it's a stupid thought.

[GoMuskies]

My thoughts: it's a stupid thought.

Public reps as the man is keeping me down!

But having now read the thread in question, I THINK Snow was kidding there. Hard to tell sometimes with him, though, because communicating via the written word is not something he does well.

[JTG]

I thought the same about the old BE, especially when 2 bubble teams always seemed to find their way to the finals at MSG on a regular basis.

[scoscox]

It's a joke

[xu82]

Public reps as the man is keeping me down!

But having now read the thread in question, I THINK Snow was kidding there. Hard to tell sometimes with him, though, because communicating via the written word is not something he does well.

Ditto.

[Juice]

A good example of the collusion was Creighton and Providence each getting big wins late in the season against Nova last year.

[GIMMFD]

A good example of the collusion was Creighton and Providence each getting big wins late in the season against Nova last year.

So it's our turn this year, right?

[Xuperman]

So it's our turn this year, right?

For it to be our turn, we need at least FIVE big wins to get in. It looks like the opposite....we can play a big part in keeping teams OUT of the dance with wins. SHU, BU, and especially SJU. Unfortunately an X loss is now a “bad” loss. I have a feeling X fans will draw the ire of our brethren fans at the BE tournament after we pin 2 on the Johnnies to punch their NIT ticket.

[drudy23]

St Johns will be dancing. They're athletic enough to make the Final Four and dumb enough to lose game one.

[Xuperman]

St Johns will be dancing. They're athletic enough to make the Final Four and dumb enough to lose game one.

IDK, if we beat them twice (very possible) and they finish 8-10, lose their BET game, they’re as bubbly as Richard Simmons. However, I think we can all agree that sweeping Buck Futler to dash their hopes of dancing would be satisfying enough!

[D-West & PO-Z]

IDK, if we beat them twice (very possible) and they finish 8-10, lose their BET game, they’re as bubbly as Richard Simmons. However, I think we can all agree that sweeping Buck Futler to dash their hopes of dancing would be satisfying enough!

But when comparing bubble teams none will be able to compare to St. Johns 3 wins over Marquette and Nova.

I think when it comes down to the bubble teams the committee is usually more favorable to what good teams did you show you cant beat than what bad teams did you show you could lose to.

[GoMuskies]

But what if you're Indiana and beat Marquette, Louisville and Michigan State (in East Lansing) but have lost 10 of 11?

[D-West & PO-Z]

But what if you're Indiana and beat Marquette, Louisville and Michigan State (in East Lansing) but have lost 10 of 11?

Good point. I think it is a balance.

IU is still in Lunardi's bracket as of Friday hilariously enough.

[Xuperman]

But when comparing bubble teams none will be able to compare to St. Johns 3 wins over Marquette and Nova.

I think when it comes down to the bubble teams the committee is usually more favorable to what good teams did you show you cant beat than what bad teams did you show you could lose to.

My scenario is very narrow. St. Johns missing the cut is highly unlikely BUT if they finish 1-6 with two losses to X, coupled with earlier losses to DU and GU, it’s code brown for them on selection Sunday. Their non con schedule will do them no favors and their biggest wins are in conference. They need for both Nova and Marquette to stay top 20 regardless.

[xubrew]

My thoughts: it's a stupid thought.

I agree 100 percent, and haven nothing else to add.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

My scenario is very narrow. St. Johns missing the cut is highly unlikely BUT if they finish 1-6 with two losses to X, coupled with earlier losses to DU and GU, it’s code brown for them on selection Sunday. Their non con schedule will do them no favors and their biggest wins are in conference. They need for both Nova and Marquette to stay top 20 regardless.

I have SJU finishing 3rd in the conference at 11-7 (winning v. XU, L @ XU, W v. Hall, W @ Providence, W @ DePaul.) I think worst case scenario in that stretch they go 3-2.

My conference predictions as of today:
Nova 15-3
Marquette 15-3
SJU 11-7
Hall 9-9
Xavier 8-10
Butler 7-11
Creighton 7-11
DePaul 7-11
Gtown 6-12
Providence 5-13

[xuwin]

IDK, if we beat them twice (very possible) and they finish 8-10, lose their BET game, they’re as bubbly as Richard Simmons. However, I think we can all agree that sweeping Buck Futler to dash their hopes of dancing would be satisfying enough!

I'm not sure beating them twice is possible. They may jump our careless passing routes to the tune of about 30 turnovers. They are not a good matchup for us.

[drudy23]

Not sure how rational thinking has us beating them twice. Yes, it's possible, but the opposite is most likely if you were to look at probabilities.

[Xuperman]

Rational thinking can lead one to believe they’re not that great based on their body of work. They barely got by some weak competition early on, got monkey stomped by Duke and dismantled at MSG by a PC team that we just dominated. They’re a collection of 6’5” street ballers with questionable coaching and no bench. If we can just maintain the recent 3 ball % and intensity on defense.....get somewhere close to the 32/18 we got out of our bigs on Saturday, we win both.

[profson]

If X avoids the bottom 4 we get a bye on Wednesday at MSG and then likely play the 3rd or 4th seed, which is near a toss-up given the parity after the top 2, thereby avoiding Nova and Marquette until at least the semis.
This is a difficult but clearly achievable goal, which likely requires going 3-2 in the remaining games for 8-10 in conference. Let's assume a loss to Nova, which means we need to go 3-1, for @SHU, BU, and 2 vs. St. John's. I think Butler is the most important since they also have to play Nova and Marquette and we would win ties with the sweep. It is unlikely (but hardly impossible) to beat St. John's twice so this Wednesday against SHU is also huge.
If we don't avoid the bottom 4 it is a toss-up game on Wednesday, then likely Nova or Marquette. Much tougher path.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

If X avoids the bottom 4 we get a bye on Wednesday at MSG and then likely play the 3rd or 4th seed, which is near a toss-up given the parity after the top 2, thereby avoiding Nova and Marquette until at least the semis.
This is a difficult but clearly achievable goal, which likely requires going 3-2 in the remaining games for 8-10 in conference. Let's assume a loss to Nova, which means we need to go 3-1, for @SHU, BU, and 2 vs. St. John's. I think Butler is the most important since they also have to play Nova and Marquette and we would win ties with the sweep. It is unlikely (but hardly impossible) to beat St. John's twice so this Wednesday against SHU is also huge.
If we don't avoid the bottom 4 it is a toss-up game on Wednesday, then likely Nova or Marquette. Much tougher path.

Yep, no way around it, if we want to avoid bottom 4 we need to win at Seton Hall Wednesday. From there, I think it’s at least a tossup to get to 2-2, we can beat SJU at home and I think we beat butler in Hinkle. Lose to nova and at SJU.

[GoMuskies]

There's no reason we can't beat Nova at home. This isn't the same Nova team of the past several years. And Chris Mack isn't on our sideline.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Agreed there is no reason we can’t, but I’m just going to need to see it happen again before I’m at all confident. I think it’s more likely we beat butler at butler than beat Nova at home. I’m all for both.

[X-band '01]

So it's our turn this year, right?

Any plan for Big East collusion wouldn't involve Xavier winning any other games this year.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Any plan for Big East collusion wouldn't involve Xavier winning any other games this year.

Or... just maybe... it involves Xavier winning all remaining games.

[bleedXblue]

There's no reason we can't beat Nova at home. This isn't the same Nova team of the past several years. And Chris Mack isn't on our sideline.

We would need the same Nova team to show up that played yesterday......they were as bad in the second half yesterday as I can remember seeing them in a long, long time. If normal Nova shows up, I give us a slim chance......maybe 1 out of 10.

[BMoreX]

We would need the same Nova team to show up that played yesterday......they were as bad in the second half yesterday as I can remember seeing them in a long, long time. If normal Nova shows up, I give us a slim chance......maybe 1 out of 10.

Normal Nova or "normal against Xavier" Nova... because even those two teams are wildly different.

[drudy23]

Rational thinking can lead one to believe they’re not that great based on their body of work. They barely got by some weak competition early on, got monkey stomped by Duke and dismantled at MSG by a PC team that we just dominated. They’re a collection of 6’5” street ballers with questionable coaching and no bench. If we can just maintain the recent 3 ball % and intensity on defense.....get somewhere close to the 32/18 we got out of our bigs on Saturday, we win both.

But our body of works says we're going to beat them twice?

[xudash]

There's no reason we can't beat Nova at home. This isn't the same Nova team of the past several years. And Chris Mack isn't on our sideline.

Yep. At the very least, if the God's allowed them to be batshit, lights-out crazy against us at our place last year behind the arc, then it is time for them to put a lid on their baskets this year. I was there in person, witnessing that jaw dropping mess.

Too bad it doesn't work that way, but if it did, they used up a potload of karma last year garnering that "W" at the Cintas Center. At least I'm going with that point-of-view presently.

[GIMMFD]

Or... just maybe... it involves Xavier winning all remaining games.

That's what I was getting at... I don't think anybody caught my sarcasm font though lmfao.

[Snipe]

If X avoids the bottom 4 we get a bye on Wednesday at MSG and then likely play the 3rd or 4th seed, which is near a toss-up given the parity after the top 2, thereby avoiding Nova and Marquette until at least the semis.
This is a difficult but clearly achievable goal, which likely requires going 3-2 in the remaining games for 8-10 in conference. Let's assume a loss to Nova, which means we need to go 3-1, for @SHU, BU, and 2 vs. St. John's. I think Butler is the most important since they also have to play Nova and Marquette and we would win ties with the sweep. It is unlikely (but hardly impossible) to beat St. John's twice so this Wednesday against SHU is also huge.
If we don't avoid the bottom 4 it is a toss-up game on Wednesday, then likely Nova or Marquette. Much tougher path.

I can agree and disagree, but I like the way you broke that down.


Yep, no way around it, if we want to avoid bottom 4 we need to win at Seton Hall Wednesday. From there, I think it’s at least a tossup to get to 2-2, we can beat SJU at home and I think we beat butler in Hinkle. Lose to nova and at SJU.

We need to beat Seton Hall on Wednesday. This team really never really found it's mojo. They have not had a sustained effort and winning streak where everyone could agree that we are playing great basketball. A couple wins is fantastic coming off a six game losing streak, but a couple wins really isn't a winning streak. You string three games together and you got a winning streak. Seton Hall is a good team and a tough place to play. You go in there and win that game, and I want to see the Cintas uprising when Nova comes to town. I love big games, and that is a big game.


There's no reason we can't beat Nova at home. This isn't the same Nova team of the past several years. And Chris Mack isn't on our sideline.

We need to beat Nova. Steele needs to beat Nova. We played them tough there, but that isn't winning. We can beat them. We need to do that.

[Xuperman]

I'm not sure beating them twice is possible. They may jump our careless passing routes to the tune of about 30 turnovers. They are not a good matchup for us.

SJU got exposed AND completely humiliated by a PC squad that we shredded. Who’s gonna guard TJ and ZH? YES, We sweep them posers.

[Snipe]

Well now is a good time for that XUPERMAN. Now is a good time for that.

I am always worried about taking care of the basketball in every game. We have done well recently. SJU has a different style of play and it will be a challenge. I actually like the inside matchup, I don't think that they can stop us.

[GIMMFD]

Well now is a good time for that XUPERMAN. Now is a good time for that.

I am always worried about taking care of the basketball in every game. We have done well recently. SJU has a different style of play and it will be a challenge. I actually like the inside matchup, I don't think that they can stop us.

I agree with that, I just don't want Shamorie Ponds to heat up and go off for 40 like he's capable of, St. John's makes me scratch my head, I don't really know what to think of em.

[X-band '01]

Well now is a good time for that XUPERMAN. Now is a good time for that.

I am always worried about taking care of the basketball in every game. We have done well recently. SJU has a different style of play and it will be a challenge. I actually like the inside matchup, I don't think that they can stop us.

I wasn't expecting turnovers to be a problem with Villanova - both them and Xavier run pretty slow tempos and the announcers said repeatedly on TV that Xavier sped up the game in the 2nd half to throw them out of rhythm.

Turnovers will be a bigger problem against the Johnnies if Xavier is careless with the ball.

That said, I do have a good feeling about Thursday. The Johnnies can be scary if they're on, but they have not shown they can do so consistently.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Broering with more bid collusion talk on twitter. I actually think hes serious.

[GoMuskies]

Broering with more bid collusion talk on twitter. I actually think hes serious.

No one could possibly be that stupid.

[vee4xu]

Someone should call President Trump before he meets with Little Kim and ask him if there's any BE collusion.

[GIMMFD]

No one could possibly be that stupid.

https://twitter.com/RickBroering/status/1099797652076744704

Could have been jokingly responding to a joke, but who knows, either way it's quite funny.

[Xuperman]

COLLUSION on full display and in plain sight. The WCC desperate to avoid 1 bid league is shameless as SMC destroyed #1 Gonzaga 60-47.....FORTY SEVEN?!!

[muskiefan82]

Isn't 47 about how much the zags beat St. Mary's by this year?

[Xuperman]

Beat them 94-46 not long ago. The WCC has no exposure and even less money. Mark Few had his boys take this game off because another WCC Tourney banner would only be useful in the men's room. This joke of an effort can realistically cost the Big East an at large.

[bleedXblue]

Honestly should look into collusion or the fact that Mark Few was high last night. The nations highest scoring team goes for 47? Seriously?

[IM4X]

Fact: Zags knew they’d be guaranteed a #1 seed no matter what happened.
Fact: Gonzaga beat SMC by 48 and then 14 points during the regular season.
Fact: The WCC would look weak to only have one team in the tournament.
Fact: I just now realize I sound like a jealous fan of a perennial bubble team, whining about other teams who don’t deserve to dance.
Fact: I miss being the spoiled fan who doesn’t have to worry about this bubble crap.

[noteggs]

Was this Gonzaga’s way to say St Mary’s won’t get screwed this year? 2017-18 team went 30-4 and didn’t receive a NCAA bid. Hmmm

[waggy]

One bid is worth a minimum of about $5M, so duh.

[bleedXblue]

Gonzaga was the #1 overall seed going into this game which would mean they would have played close to home for pretty much all games prior to the Final 4.

Now, they will be bumped down to the 3rd or 4th spot.............risking some of a home court advantage. Gonzaga fans travel pretty well..........but geesh what a sacrifice to make for your conference brother

[GoMuskies]

I don't think they've cost themselves any travel. Last night didn't change the fact that the West is still an abject disaster this year, so Gonzaga will still get to stay close to home. The only two rivals in the West are Nevada and Washington, neither of which are anywhere close to overtaking Gonzaga.

Looking at this again reminds me of how geographically illiterate I generally am when it comes to the West. Gonzaga's "close to home" route to the Final Four will take them to Salt Lake and Anaheim, which are a combined 2,000 miles from Spokane. It would be like Xavier being rewarded with "close to home" sites in Boston and Houston.

[UCGRAD4X]

Remember Xavier smoking #1 St. Joe's after losing twice in the regular season (obviously)? Probably had some raised eyebrows that day.

[usfldan]

I've sometimes wondered if a conference would or could ever exempt "locks" from their conference tournament. You could have a rule that if a team's NET is 30 or better, that team does not have to play in the conference tournament, because they are going to get into the tournament anyway.

[xu koop scoop]

Remember Xavier smoking #1 St. Joe's after losing twice in the regular season (obviously)? Probably had some raised eyebrows that day.

Have to call you out on this LiE. XU did smash undefeated St Joe in A10 Tourney. The LIE is we only played them once during regular season. It was a home game & we only lost by 6 or 7. It was close enough I thought we could beat them in a rematch. So I took off work for that Thursday Noon meltdown by St Joes. Please avoid distorting facts in the future

[dethwing]

I remember racing home from class to see that game. I was convinced we had a shot at it. By the time I got to my room and turned it on, it was already a route. Incredible to this day.

[stammina0721]

I remember racing home from class to see that game. I was convinced we had a shot at it. By the time I got to my room and turned it on, it was already a route. Incredible to this day.

I remember being in college and skipping ethics class to watch the game.

[IM4X]

I remember racing home from class to see that game. I was convinced we had a shot at it. By the time I got to my room and turned it on, it was already a route. Incredible to this day.

I was watching a Big East Tournament game at MSG and I looked up on the scoreboard where they were updating other tournament games. It showed X was up by 20 on St. Joseph’s. I thought it was a mistake. Then a little later they showed the score of the game again: X was up by over 30. Everybody I was with at the game started screaming... Wooooooo!!!! It was awesome.

I think they went up as much as as 37.

[muskiefan82]

I was watching a Big East Tournament game at MSG and I looked up on the scoreboard where they were updating other tournament games. It showed X was up by 20 on St. Joseph’s. I thought it was a mistake. Then a little later they showed the score of the game again: X was up by over 30. Everybody I was with at the game started screaming... Wooooooo!!!! It was awesome.

I think they went up as much as as 37.

YEP. 74-37. It was joyous.

[UCGRAD4X]

Have to call you out on this LiE. XU did smash undefeated St Joe in A10 Tourney. The LIE is we only played them once during regular season. It was a home game & we only lost by 6 or 7. It was close enough I thought we could beat them in a rematch. So I took off work for that Thursday Noon meltdown by St Joes. Please avoid distorting facts in the future

Sorry for the LiE!

I mistakenly misremembered that we didn't play H & H.

So, not really a LiE, but I can respect being called out as a LiAR.

[SM#24]

Honestly should look into collusion or the fact that Mark Few was high last night. The nations highest scoring team goes for 47? Seriously?

Vegas, baby

[dethwing]

Sorry for the LiE!

I mistakenly misremembered that we didn't play H & H.

So, not really a LiE, but I can respect being called out as a LiAR.

In those days, the A10 was split into north and south. Xavier was South and SJ was North. You played the teams in your half Home and Home, and you played the teams in the other half 1 time (3 at Home, 3 on the Road). That made for a nice total of 5*2 + 6*1 = 16 games. Really a nice system.
Then they went and added more teams and it got out of hand.

[xu koop scoop]

Sorry for the LiE!

I mistakenly misremembered that we didn't play H & H.

So, not really a LiE, but I can respect being called out as a LiAR.

Sorry used term LIE. All of us can forget facts. Being at that St Joes game was awesome

[GoMuskies]

It was East and West, but otherwise you got it.

[dethwing]

Oops, you are correct. Thank you.

[waggy]

liar

[Muskeagle]

YEP. 74-37. It was joyous.

I was lucky enough to be in the front row of UD Arena for that game. Joyous undersells it just a bit. :)

[drudy23]

I hope the Big East colludes to get us in. I'll take some freak things in our favor the next 3 days.

[American X]

All the conferences should collude to let IU get a bid.

[GoMuskies]

Purdue tried. Their best player missed 20 shots against IU. 20.

[SkyWalker]

Purdue tried. Their best player missed 20 shots against IU. 20.

And Purdue still won.

[paulxu]

The judge found no collusion.

What? Wrong thread?

Oops.....

[GIMMFD]

Nova should totally collude super hard and drop tomorrow to let us in, that'd be so cool of them.

[GoMuskies]

Collude!!!!!!

[UCGRAD4X]

Nova should totally collude super hard and drop tomorrow to let us in, that'd be so cool of them.

I don't want any excuses when we clean up the MSG floor with mildcats.

But, I'd be cool with their vain attempts to excuse the inevitable embarrassment.

[scoscox]

Can't believe the "best roster in the big east" would lose by 30 to marquette with what is clearly the best roster in the big east

[kellernr]

Powell outscored Geoergtown in the first half by himself.

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[GetUp5]

Lunardi just moved X to the "Next 4 Out".......

[XUBison]

Lunardi just moved X to the "Next 4 Out".......

Wow, the smell of Dayton is in the air. Well, I suppose that’s nothing new.