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MHettel
02-08-2019, 10:48 PM
I recently compiled a data set of XU Player Statistics from players going all the way back to 1990.

I caputured career statistics from any player that played 1000 minutes (with a few exceptions) or more in their career. There were 76 overall. You will all know these guys.

I pulled the following stats: Games, Minutes, FG, GFA, 3P, 3PA, FT, FTA, OREB, DREB, REB, AST, BLK, STL, TOV, PF, PTS.

From these stats, I can calculate:

1) Per game stats

2) Per Minute Stats

3) ratios and percentages, such as 3pt attempts per minute played, and % of FT's as a total number of PTS scored

I did this so I could put this years team in context. But as I look at the data, there is a TON of other insight to be gained.

Some sidenotes and expections: there were alot of players from early on where their career minutes were not avilable. I KNOW they played 1000 minites, based on their stats, but I didnt have the actual number available. I had to make the judgement call on a few players, for instance Duwaun Rose, Kevin Carr and Reggie Butler were all judged as having played less than 1000 minutes based on their stats and my recollection....

I decided that I WOULD include 1 year transfers that played less than 1000 minutes. Part of this purpose was to evaluate Castlin, Hankins and Welage, none of which had even played a full season. So, Gaston, Bernard and Kanter were included as well since they were just 1 yr players.

Offensive and Defernsive rebound detail was not available going back to the mid-90s.

For 3 PT shooting stats, I limited the pool of players to guys that took 100 or more 3's in their career, or at least 30% of their shots were from 3 (44 Players in this pool).

Overall, I have 76 total players. 56 of those players can be evaluated on a "Per Minute" Basis, and 53 Players can be compared using Rebounding Details. 45 Guys are in the 3 Pt Pool.

Here it goes.....

Quentin Goodin

Per Minute Notable Rankings (out of 56 players):
Points: 48
Rebs: 49
Ast: 1
Stls: 18
Blocks: 40
TO's: 10 (as in the 10th MOST TO per minute)
PF: 40

As a Shooter, career Percentage Ranks (out of 76 Players):
2PT%: 66 of 76
3Pt %: 38 of 44
FT%: 45 ofr 76

Other:
Percent of his shots from 3 Rank: 34 of 45
3Pt Attempts per minute: 28 of 44

What these stats confirm that I see with my eyes: Cant shoot....at all. Distributes at a high rate. Doesnt really rebound, or accumulate defensive stats. Doesnt foul alot

What these stats tell me that I DONT see with my eyes: Does not take a disproportionate % of his shots from 3. Doesnt really take that many 3's.

How my critique of Q might change: You cant tell a player to NEVER take a 3.....and Q is not taking that many. He just needs to make more of them. I wonder about his #1 ranking for Asstists per minute. I need to study his rate from last year to his rate this year, since Macura and TB are not catching and shooting....

Naji Marshall

Notable Rankings:
3Pt %: 44 of 45
Percent of his shots from 3: 35 of 44
Shooting % From 2: 23 of 76
Percent of point scored from FT line: 23 of 76
Shooting % from FT Line: 28 of 76
Turnover per Minute Rank: 6 of 56 (As in the 6th MOST turnovers per minute)

Concusions: He cant shoot from deep. He can score from 2, and gets to the line when he drives. But he turns the ball over.

How to fix it?: More tempo, and open court chances. He can finish, but when it gets slow, he struggles to create. Speed it up.

Scruggs

3Pt %: 6 of 45
% of Shots from 2: 30 of 76
% of Pts from the foul Line: 62 of 76
Assist per Minute: 10 of 56
Steals per Minute: 10 of 56
Turnovers per Minute: 11 of 56
Fouls Per Minute: 15 of 56

Conclusion: Seems to take the right amount of 3's. But, his rate of getting to the FT line seems low. He's gotta play a little bigger and create more contact for some freebies. He's active, with high turnover, steals, and foul rates....

more soon.

whopper
02-08-2019, 10:54 PM
this is good stuff and I can only imagine how much time it took.

MHettel
02-08-2019, 11:00 PM
How about this time wasting challenge...


Name the TOP 5 in Career Points per Minute For XU players since 1990 (no cheating....and it's interesting)

GoMuskies
02-08-2019, 11:14 PM
Jordan Crawford (if he's eligible)
Romain Sato
David West
Darnell Williams
Trevon Bluiett
Jeff Massey (if Crawford not eligible)

MHettel
02-08-2019, 11:15 PM
Jordan Crawford (if he's eligible)
Romain Sato
David West
Darnell Williams
Trevon Bluiett
Jeff Massey (if Crawford not eligible)

Thats 6...but ok!

Crawford is eligible.

GoMuskies
02-08-2019, 11:17 PM
No, it's five. I'm not sure if Crawford meets your eligibility criteria. If he does, take Massey off my list. If he doesn't, keep Massey on my list.

MHettel
02-08-2019, 11:23 PM
I dont have the minutes for Massey. So, that's not a wrong answer. Your 5 is sensible....but not right.

GoMuskies
02-08-2019, 11:30 PM
None of those five would really be "interesting", as you put it, so I assumed it must be wrong. Surely at least one or two of them are right (Crawford HAS to be, no?).

MHettel
02-08-2019, 11:38 PM
Continued...

Tyrique Jones

2Pt FG%: 4 of 76
FT%: 66 of 76
Offensive Rebounds per Minute: 2 of 53
Defensive Rebounds per minute: 12 of 53
2Pt FG %: 4 of 76
Blocks per Minute: 10 of 56
Fouls per minute: 2 of 76
Points per minute:13 of 76

Advice: Stop fouling, start dunking.

MHettel
02-08-2019, 11:39 PM
None of those five would really be "interesting", as you put it, so I assumed it must be wrong. Surely at least one or two of them are right (Crawford HAS to be, no?).

Yes, you'e got several right. What is interesting is the guys you got wrong.....

Thor in 204
02-08-2019, 11:58 PM
How about:
Jordan Crawford
David West
Brian Thornton (enough minutes?)
Trevon Bluiett
Romain Sato

XUGRAD80
02-09-2019, 06:32 AM
Someone needs to get a life...LOL

Seriously....must have taken hours to put this all together and I thank you for all your effort here. Interesting stuff.

XUGRAD80
02-09-2019, 06:35 AM
I would bet that Farr might be on that list somewhere.

Xuperman
02-09-2019, 07:21 AM
Crawford
West
Bluiett
Love
Jones

Michigan Muskie
02-09-2019, 09:00 AM
Bluiett
Crawford
West
Holloway
Sato

I don't know if this is right, but that's one hell of a lineup.

MITTENMUSKIE16
02-09-2019, 09:44 AM
Thank you for taking the time. This is really good stuff. Q’s threes taken are probably at the right spot, but he needs to find a way to supplement his offensive game with being a better finisher at the rim and a better free throw shooter. That would take some of the stain out of the common belief of just how bad he is on offense.

As for Paul, I’d be open to his percentages dipping slightly if he took a couple more shots per game. Maybe 1 more theee and 1 more 2. He absolutely needs to get to the line more, as he’s a really good FT shooter. Wonder if moving him on the ball a bit more would help (though this would take away some open threes).

Naji... I can’t say I’ve heard someone advocate for him to speed it up. I know you only meant this for in transition, but even so. I think his transition game and decision making needs work. He just needs to get like a 30% increase in dribbling/decision making ability to become so much better. His stroke is starting to look better and more confident. Start getting closer to that 35% from last year.

xufan2020
02-09-2019, 11:28 AM
Appreciate the effort you put in. I expect Scruggs, Naji, and Q to all play better with an improved roster next season.

You state that Q can’t shoot, and that seems to be a common belief here. Again I’ll add that Q is shooting 41% from 3 in his last 10 games.
My point is it’s not unreasonable to believe he can have a senior campaign where he shoots between 34-36%
Not excusing his overall poor play most of the season, but I think we should have a little faith in the man that will likely have the assist record at XU.
Will eat crow if he doesn’t improve next year

MHettel
02-09-2019, 01:38 PM
More....

Hankins[U]

2PT FG% Rank: 1 of 76
FT% Rank: 71 of 76
FT as a % of his Points rank: 71 of 76
Offensive Rebs per minute Rank: 7 of 53
Defensive Rebounds per Minute Rank: 27 of 53
Defensive Rebounds per Minute for "Bigs": 21 of 23
Blocks per Minute Rank: 2 of 56
Points Per Minute Rank: 9 of 56
Fouls Per Minute Rank: 23 of 56


Analysis?: Blocks alot of shots without getting too many fouls. Solid Rebounder on the offensive end. Possibly so determined to block shots that he ends up out of position for the defensive rebound. I dont know why teams dont just foul the crap out of him. He's money from the field, and pretty lousy from the line...

[U]Welage

Percent of His shots that are 3PA Rank: 2 of 31
3Pt Atempts per minute Rank: 2 of 31
3Pt Shooting % Rank: 7 of 45
% of total Point from FT Rank: 76 of 76
FT Shooting % rank: 7 of 76
Total Rebs per Minute Rank: 43 of 56
Assist per Minute Rank: 50 of 56
Steals per Minute Rank: 55 of 56
Turnovers per Minute Rank: 55 of 56 (this is a POSITIVE, meaning 2nd lowest turnover frequency)
Points per Minute Rank: 30 of 56

Conclusion: I've stated over and over that I want Welage shooting 3's as often as possible, and well, apparently that what he has been doing. But thats literally ALL that he does. But, somehow he is still in the lower half of all players in terms of Points per Minute. His 3PT Shooting % is ranked #7 which is good, but even if he were ranked #1 (tied with Jamie Gladden at 43.7%), that would only translate to 4 more made 3's on the year. I dont see how that would change the complexion of our season. I'd consider benching Welage, and just giving all of his minutes to the 3 young guys to give them some meaningful run....

Castlin

FG attempts per Minute Rank: 55 of 56
3Pt Shooting Rank: 43 of 45
3Pt attempts per Minute Rank: 27 of 31
2Pt Shooting %: 36 of 76
% of his points from Free Throws: 17 of 76
Total Rebs per minute rank: 34 of 56
Per Minute rankings (out of 56): Assists- 39, Steals- 42, Blocks- 44, Turnovers- 51, Fouls- 55, Points- 55

Conclusion: whatever he is doing out there, it's not showing up in the box score. I havent seen lockdown defense or anything like that to justify his PT. He's decent at shooting 2's and hits his FTs.....

MHettel
02-09-2019, 02:28 PM
Ok, "Top 10" Time

These are PER MINUTE stats, so right off the bat these guys arent available since I dont have their minutes played: Gladden, Jamal Walker, Davenport, Brantley, Colin Parker, Gentry, Massey, Sears, TJ, Darnell, Lumpkin, Lenny, Braggs, Posey, Mo, Alvin, Lloyd, Frey, David Young

But there are 56 eligible players....

MOST Points per Minute: Kanter, Crawford, Sato, Thornton, West, Trevon, Grant, Duncan, Hankins, Semaj

LEAST Points per Minute: Andre Walker, Castlin, Keith Jackson, Bernard, Dante, Finn, Dee Davis, Robinson, Goodin, Abell

Rebs per Minute: Farr, Gaston, West, Reynolds, Grant, Love, Tyrique, Cole, McLean, Stainbrook

MOST Assist per Minute: Goodin, Lavender, Hawkins, Sumner, Dee Davis, Holloway, Finn, Semaj, Chalmers, Scruggs

LEAST Assists per Minute: Jeff Robinson, Philmore, Caudle, Reynolds, Farr, Love, Welage, Cole, Tyrique, Kanter

PAUSE!!!! GOODIN, with the MOST Assists per minute, has played with FIVE of the "top 10" guys with the LEAST Assists per minute!

Blocks per Minute: Aaron Williams, Hankins, Thornton, West, Love, Farr, Frease, Reynolds, Doellman, Tyrique

Steals per Minute: Macura, Sumner, Dante, Finn, Hawkins, West, Crawford, Semaj, Chalmers, Scruggs

LEAST TO per Minute: Welage, Gates, Abell, Redford, Castlin, Raymond, Andre Walker, Keith Jackson, Philmore, Jeff Robinson

MOST TO per Minute: Semaj, Chalmers, Cole, Aaron Williams, CJ, Naji, Sumner, Hawkins, Holloway, Goodin

PAUSE!!!!! 2 current Players in the top 5 for LEAST Turnovers, and 2 current Players in the top 10 for MOST Turnovers!

LEAST FOULS per Minute: Castlin, Lavender, Abell, Crawford, Welage, Burrell, Redford, Holloway, Finn, Chalmers

MOST FOULS per Minute: Reynolds, Tyrique, Robinson, Caudle, Cole, Gaston, Farr, Aaron Williams, O'Mara, Duncan

MHettel
02-09-2019, 02:32 PM
And.....what we are missing this year

JP Macura per Minute rankings (out of 56)

Points: 17
Rebs: 40
Assists: 16
Steals: 1
Blocks: 39
Turnovers: 29
Fouls: 32

A little bit of everything.

Nigel Tufnel
02-09-2019, 05:48 PM
As I read all of those rankings, all I could picture was MHettel drunkenly slurring Yellow Leadbetter....

Good stuff though.