Quentin Goodin

[xufan2020]

I’d like to have a rational discuss about our most polarizing player. I try to defend Q, but he’s been disappointing this year. I’m not going to pretend that’s not true. I think Q’s defenders on here can agree with that.

I understand Naji and Jones have shown improvement, and Scruggs has been incredible.

However I’m not giving up on him. The loss of talent and coaching from last year has taken it’s toll.
But I have reason to believe that with our recruiting class next year, Q will be able to redeem himself with an improved roster (along with a coach that isn’t in his first year).

[XUOWNSUC]

I’m Team Q. He will get it turned around eventually. His story isn’t finished yet.

[GIMMFD]

I'm a Q defender as well, he was under a lot of scrutiny when Ed went down and he was trying to figure stuff out as a Freshman, and now I think he's in one of those waves again. The most rational fan understands Q hasn't been good this season, and I'm sure it's taking a toll on his psyche as well. I don't know what we can do to get him in rhythm again, it's a new role basically everybody has taken on, I think Q does best when he can distribute to weapons, especially good outside shooting weapons. We were spoiled with Blueitt, Macura, hell even Kanter because they all required so much attention, but Naji isn't an amazing 3 point shooter, and though Scruggs has improved by miles, I don't know if I'd put him up there with Blueitt and Macura's shooting ability.

I agree next year will be better for him, as he won't have to shoulder as much load with guys who can score at a high clip like Tandy, Bishop, etc. But those guys will be Freshman and will have growing pains as well. If he can play within himself, distribute and cut down the dumb turnovers, Q is a damn good PG. I'm sure he feels much worse than we do right now, I still have faith in Steele and our guys, even with a down season, it's not fun, but it happens from time to time.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

He needs to have a bit of come to Jesus moment. Seriously recognize and evaluate what his strengths and weaknesses are, and put himself in the best position to play to his strengths. He can make in rhythm threes. He can’t take it to the rack without a plan and with the lane clogged. He’s just not a good enough finisher or ball handler to get through all that traffic. He needs to make it a goal to maybe shoot 5 FTs a game, and make 4 of them. He needs to make the right play based on the situation, not the flashy play. There’s a lot he can do for the team to help win games. But he’s done a bad job of it this year.

[noteggs]

I'm a Q defender as well, he was under a lot of scrutiny when Ed went down and he was trying to figure stuff out as a Freshman, and now I think he's in one of those waves again. The most rational fan understands Q hasn't been good this season, and I'm sure it's taking a toll on his psyche as well. I don't know what we can do to get him in rhythm again, it's a new role basically everybody has taken on, I think Q does best when he can distribute to weapons, especially good outside shooting weapons. We were spoiled with Blueitt, Macura, hell even Kanter because they all required so much attention, but Naji isn't an amazing 3 point shooter, and though Scruggs has improved by miles, I don't know if I'd put him up there with Blueitt and Macura's shooting ability.

I agree next year will be better for him, as he won't have to shoulder as much load with guys who can score at a high clip like Tandy, Bishop, etc. But those guys will be Freshman and will have growing pains as well. If he can play within himself, distribute and cut down the dumb turnovers, Q is a damn good PG. I'm sure he feels much worse than we do right now, I still have faith in Steele and our guys, even with a down season, it's not fun, but it happens from time to time.

Nice post on Q. Started to write something similar after the last game. Probably will add something further after I digest but think you nailed it.

[Masterofreality]

Nope. I cannot defend his play. He needs to have his minutes cut and let Scruggs run this team.
Q’s Head is somewhere else than on winning basketball

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Q should not be our most polarizing player. He is a three year starter and last year, he showed material improvement over his freshman year. He has become polarizing, I suppose, because of heightened expectations. Few on this board would argue against the position that his play has deteriorated this year. I believe his play has deteriorated markedly with a few exceptions. I thought he played better earlier this season. He was one of our top scorers early on and his defense against Strus (DePaul) was awesome. Q is athletic, a good defender, adequate ball handler, a shot creator (although jot a great shooter), dependable at the charity stripe and a decent finisher. He has lots of talent.

But, something seems to have happened to his game. The last six (or so) games don't feel like randomly poor games. The turnovers, poor shooting and seemingly bad decision making have been consistent. Others have posted that something is wrong---injury, off court issues, conflicts with Steele (or others). I'm in that camp although without any basis other than I cannot explain the deterioration in his performance from last year to anything observable.

The leadership mantle landed on his shoulders this year. But, for some reason, he hasn't worn it well. Don't know why but we damn sure need him to step up.

[GIMMFD]

Q should not be our most polarizing player. He is a three year starter and last year, he showed material improvement over his freshman year. He has become polarizing, I suppose, because of heightened expectations. Few on this board would argue against the position that his play has deteriorated this year. I believe his play has deteriorated markedly with a few exceptions. I thought he played better earlier this season. He was one of our top scorers early on and his defense against Strus (DePaul) was awesome. Q is athletic, a good defender, adequate ball handler, a shot creator (although jot a great shooter), dependable at the charity stripe and a decent finisher. He has lots of talent.

But, something seems to have happened to his game. The last six (or so) games don't feel like randomly poor games. The turnovers, poor shooting and seemingly bad decision making have been consistent. Others have posted that something is wrong---injury, off court issues, conflicts with Steele (or others). I'm in that camp although without any basis other than I cannot explain the deterioration in his performance from last year to anything observable.

The leadership mantle landed on his shoulders this year. But, for some reason, he hasn't worn it well. Don't know why but we damn sure need him to step up.

A serious question, he did have a pretty bad injury, any chance that could be nagging him this year? Because I definitely agree here that most recently his slump has been bad. I think he's trying to really hold on to the leader aspect, which has led him to some hero ball lately, and I just don't think that's his forte. He works better for others as I've said, and when the attention is off of him, that's when he truly shines, but he's been trying to do way too much and it's been showing.

[bleedXblue]

Q struggles pretty much everywhere on the floor on the offensive end. For the last two years his weaknesses have been masked by having some really good players around him. He is what he is. I wish he would take on the role of play maker and getting his teammates good shots, but that isnt happening consistently either. Hopefully, the light will turn on, but this team has far more issues than just Q.

[American X]

Q’s Head is somewhere else than on winning basketball

He is contemplating if he is going to kidnap a pug, a different type of dog, or another kind of animal altogether.

[BandAid]

He is contemplating if he is going to kidnap a pug, a different type of dog, or another kind of animal altogether.

Pugs are the best dogs to steal. They’re small, and they don’t bark.

[Muskie]

Q's best game is driving to the bucke and dishing to a wide open person on the wing for an open 3. When you have very few players who can bury the 3 it takes away from his game. That's been issue #1. Also teams are denying him entry into the lane which results in him taking jump shots or 3's. Those are the two big issues I see from him.

[bleedXblue]

Q's best game is driving to the bucke and dishing to a wide open person on the wing for an open 3. When you have very few players who can bury the 3 it takes away from his game. That's been issue #1. Also teams are denying him entry into the lane which results in him taking jump shots or 3's. Those are the two big issues I see from him.

A couple times yesterday he got to the bucket only to have his shot blocked.

I still say the only way this team starts to win games is by playing better D/ and or changes their defensive scheme. Add some half court pressing. More ball trapping, more on the ball pressure. We have to force more turnovers b/c we certainly aren't getting it done in the half court bend don't break D we are running out there now.

[Muskie]

A couple times yesterday he got to the bucket only to have his shot blocked.

I still say the only way this team starts to win games is by playing better D/ and or changes their defensive scheme. Add some half court pressing. More ball trapping, more on the ball pressure. We have to force more turnovers b/c we certainly aren't getting it done in the half court bend don't break D we are running out there now.

Very true.

[xu koop scoop]

Could be academic problems, family issues, girlfriend issues. Teammate or Coaching problems. Injury issues. A combination of all above.
This team is not well synchronized. I still root for Q & support this team. Go X

[noteggs]

Q's best game is driving to the bucke and dishing to a wide open person on the wing for an open 3. When you have very few players who can bury the 3 it takes away from his game. That's been issue #1. Also teams are denying him entry into the lane which results in him taking jump shots or 3's. Those are the two big issues I see from him.

As for issue 2, having Hankins and Jones playing together makes it even more difficult. IMO, that’s why Steele doesn’t start Q when he starts the two bigs. I can’t remember when we saw Ty, Sean, or Kerem on the floor at the same time last year (note: it may have happened a lot but memory starts to fade when you’re my age).

[xu82]

He is contemplating if he is going to kidnap a pug, a different type of dog, or another kind of animal altogether.

The way he’s playing, I’m afraid it’s either an iguana or a ferret. Both are poor decisions, just like him jacking up another 3.

[xukeith]

As for issue 2, having Hankins and Jones playing together makes it even more difficult. IMO, that’s why Steele doesn’t start Q when he starts the two bigs. I can’t remember when we saw Ty, Sean, or Kerem on the floor at the same time last year (note: it may have happened a lot but memory starts to fade when you’re my age).

never

[whopper]

actually against FSU there was Trevon and Scruggs at guard, Karem, Ty and Kaiser at forward for a few min when JP in foul trouble and Q got hit in crotch..Naji already gone with injury (FSU brutal team). I remember Ty and Karem both missing a putback on the same play. Damn.. Just probably 2-3 minutes

[Masterofreality]

I am firmly convinced that Paul Scruggs needs to be the starting PG and put Marshall, Castlin/Welage, Jones and Hankins out there. Maybe Harden or Kennedy in if they show in practice. Q should not get more than 15 minutes per game and mainly to rest Marshall or Scruggs. The best Xavier has played this year were the games vs Butler and GTown when Q didn't play at all and Paul ran the team. The last 11 minutes of the Marquette game just cemented it for me. Steele left Q out there in the second half to the detriment of Scruggs- who did not HAVE A SHOT AT THE BASKET from 11:28 to 1:34.
What happened in that 10 minutes?
-Xavier went from a 6 point lead to 8 points down.
-Paul had no shots, but 2 assists for baskets, plus two more "assists" that resulted in free throw conversions- accounting for 6 points despite no shots. Oh, and ZERO turnovers.
-Q went 1-3 with 2 bad shots blocked, 1 turnover and 1 assist.
-Naji went 1-3 with 2 bad shots, 1 free throw and 1 turnover with zero assists.
So when Paul went through 10 minutes where he didn't have a shot- OUR BEST PLAYER- he still accounted for 6 clean points while the other two had 6 shots 1 Free Throw and 7 points, but because of the turnovers leading to points, a net of 2 points positive. Paul Scruggs, himself with ZERO shots, accounted for more net offense than the other 2 "stars" combined. This is ridiculous.

I totally blame Steele for A) Losing his poise after a proper no call on Marshall's drive and getting a BAAAD technical when down only 2, B) Allowing an offense with no called play to get your best player a shot or multiple shots at the basket over 10 minutes of crunch, C) Allowing the other "stars" to run wild with little productivity. I'll excuse Naji to an extent because Steele got him almost no rest and he worked his ass off, but there was no excuse for Q.
Almost every time the ball got into Jones and Hanky Saturday, good things happened, but if it wasn't Paul Scruggs delivering the ball in there 4 times, it didn't get done. That is also on Q.
Mr. Pine is calling for a meeting with him.

[AviatorX]

I am firmly convinced that Paul Scruggs needs to be the starting PG and put Marshall, Castlin/Welage, Jones and Hankins out there. Maybe Harden or Kennedy in if they show in practice. Q should not get more than 15 minutes per game and mainly to rest Marshall or Scruggs. The best Xavier has played this year were the games vs Butler and GTown when Q didn't play at all and Paul ran the team. The last 11 minutes of the Marquette game just cemented it for me. Steele left Q out there in the second half to the detriment of Scruggs- who did not HAVE A SHOT AT THE BASKET from 11:28 to 1:34.
What happened in that 10 minutes?
-Xavier went from a 6 point lead to 8 points down.
-Paul had no shots, but 2 assists for baskets, plus two more "assists" that resulted in free throw conversions- accounting for 6 points despite no shots. Oh, and ZERO turnovers.
-Q went 1-3 with 2 bad shots blocked, 1 turnover and 1 assist.
-Naji went 1-3 with 2 bad shots, 1 free throw and 1 turnover with zero assists.
So when Paul went through 10 minutes where he didn't have a shot- OUR BEST PLAYER- he still accounted for 6 clean points while the other two had 6 shots 1 Free Throw and 7 points, but because of the turnovers leading to points, a net of 2 points positive. Paul Scruggs, himself with ZERO shots, accounted for more net offense than the other 2 "stars" combined. This is ridiculous.

I totally blame Steele for A) Losing his poise after a proper no call on Marshall's drive and getting a BAAAD technical when down only 2, B) Allowing an offense with no called play to get your best player a shot or multiple shots at the basket over 10 minutes of crunch, C) Allowing the other "stars" to run wild with little productivity. I'll excuse Naji to an extent because Steele got him almost no rest and he worked his ass off, but there was no excuse for Q.
Almost every time the ball got into Jones and Hanky Saturday, good things happened, but if it wasn't Paul Scruggs delivering the ball in there 4 times, it didn't get done. That is also on Q.
Mr. Pine is calling for a meeting with him.

Advocating Q get no more than 15 minutes a game is honestly laughable. Whether or not you think he's any good, it's pretty damn obvious he is absolutely better than the proverbial "next man up" on this roster (cue everyone asking if I'm related to Q).

Let's also pump the brakes on declaring the games against GTown and Butler some amazing stretch. Both those teams pretty much suck and X dug themselves a sizable hole in both games.

[Xville]

Advocating Q get no more than 15 minutes a game is honestly laughable. Whether or not you think he's any good, it's pretty damn obvious he is absolutely better than the proverbial "next man up" on this roster (cue everyone asking if I'm related to Q).

Let's also pump the brakes on declaring the games against GTown and Butler some amazing stretch. Both those teams pretty much suck and X dug themselves a sizable hole in both games.

What's laughable is you continuing to defend the guy based on what the team did last year as if that means anything related to what has transpired on the court this year. You have now resorted to " well the teams we beat when q was out suck, and we were down in the game so..." argument.

Its beyond clear there is something wrong with the guy and that hes not been good for the team this year. So, advocating he only receive 15 minutes a game until something changes with him, is not laughable.

[markchal]

While Q has been playing like garbage lately, the answer can't be cutting his minutes in half. There's no hope to this year's squad finishing respectably (postseason play is a pipe dream at this point) and having any hope of a tournament bid next year that doesn't involve Q figuring out how to be productive. I agree more of the offense needs to revolve around Scruggs, but we need Q to turn things around more than we need more Welage/Castlin on the floor. Maybe you sit Q more until he's finally healthy, but the fact is we just don't have the depth/talent/recruits to write off our most experienced player as a lost cause.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I totally blame Steele for A) Losing his poise after a proper no call on Marshall's drive and getting a BAAAD technical when down only 2, B) Allowing an offense with no called play to get your best player a shot or multiple shots at the basket over 10 minutes of crunch, C) Allowing the other "stars" to run wild with little productivity. I'll excuse Naji to an extent because Steele got him almost no rest and he worked his ass off, but there was no excuse for Q.
Almost every time the ball got into Jones and Hanky Saturday, good things happened, but if it wasn't Paul Scruggs delivering the ball in there 4 times, it didn't get done. That is also on Q.
Mr. Pine is calling for a meeting with him.[/QUOTE]


I agree with your prescription that the answer is fewer minutes for Q. Maybe he will figure out the resolution to his poor play while he is watching the game from the bench. Maybe that will give him a needed perspective.

I also agree with your conclusions about Steel. To me, Steele seems to be enabling some of the recent bad play. Yes, we have lack of depth but it is up to Steele to ensure his bench is ready and I don't understand the substitution pattern he is using. Now, for sure, I'm not in his shoes and I have zero experience coaching. But, I don't watch the games and come away feeling Steele is confident in his own leadership.

Seems like the best way to go forward this year is to deal with the issues around the team's play this year so, they don't recur next year. I don't have a great vantage point but I can't see that Steele is doing that. On the plus side, I haven't seen X quit the last few games like I believe they did earlier in the season. If that observation is accurate, I have to give Steele credit for that.

This season is lost. We aren't going to make the dance (short of a miracle in the conference tournament). So, let's figure stuff out now, for next year.

[bleedXblue]

Steele also failed to call a timeout during 2 obvious stretches where he was waiting to get to the under 8:00 minute and 4:00 mark. In both cases we had multiple possessions with either really bad shots taken or TO's. Marquette on the contrary was pretty much scoring at will. Hopefully he's learning his lessons this year and can improve in multiple areas for next year. We knew there would be some growing pains........I just have to ask what was he watching and learning while being associate HC for 8 years? Maybe it's a lot different being the lead guy? I wonder if any of our assistants are strong enough right now to suggest in game adjustments. Maybe all are a little gun shy..........

[AviatorX]

What's laughable is you continuing to defend the guy based on what the team did last year as if that means anything related to what has transpired on the court this year. You have now resorted to " well the teams we beat when q was out suck, and we were down in the game so..." argument.

Its beyond clear there is something wrong with the guy and that hes not been good for the team this year. So, advocating he only receive 15 minutes a game until something changes with him, is not laughable.

Your position involves playing Keonte Kennedy and Elias Harden more minutes - how can you feel so confident digging in on that? I’d rather play Goodin than either of those guys, hands down. I guess I’ll just come out and say it - I think Q is better than Harden, Kennedy and Castlin. Do you disagree?

For some reason you continue to read my posts as “Q is amazing and is killing it this season.” That’s not at all what I’m saying or have said.

[Xville]

Your position involves playing Keonte Kennedy and Elias Harden more minutes - how can you feel so confident digging in on that? I’d rather play Goodin than either of those guys, hands down.

For some reason you continue to read my posts as “Q is amazing and is killing it this season.” That’s not at all what I’m saying or have said.

I'm confident because I see the team play their best when q is not on the floor. I dont know what's up with q and I hope he finds whatever it is...maybe hes still injured which would explain a lot. Regardless, to keep giving him the minutes he is getting,the way he has been playing, is insane to me.

Is Elias or keonte better than q on an individual level when he is on, no. However, for the team right now, I believe limiting q's minutes until if or when something changes with him is best.

[AviatorX]

I'm confident because I see the team play their best when q is not on the floor. I dont know what's up with q and I hope he finds whatever it is...maybe hes still injured which would explain a lot. Regardless, to keep giving him the minutes he is getting,the way he has been playing, is insane to me.

Is Elias or keonte better than q on an individual level when he is on, no. However, for the team right now, I believe limiting q's minutes until if or when something changes with him is best.

Fair enough - and I would agree with you on a normal X roster that Q's minutes should be cut - there's just such a sharp drop off on the current team after the top tier of guys that it's hard to convince me the next level players need more action.

In any even, we'll agree to disagree on this one (I'm sure that's shocking to you). BTW, I respect you as a poster even though we disagree on this - unfortunately just part of the frustration of this season.

[IM4X]

I am firmly convinced that Paul Scruggs needs to be the starting PG and put Marshall, Castlin/Welage, Jones and Hankins out there. Maybe Harden or Kennedy in if they show in practice. Q should not get more than 15 minutes per game and mainly to rest Marshall or Scruggs. The best Xavier has played this year were the games vs Butler and GTown when Q didn't play at all and Paul ran the team. The last 11 minutes of the Marquette game just cemented it for me. Steele left Q out there in the second half to the detriment of Scruggs- who did not HAVE A SHOT AT THE BASKET from 11:28 to 1:34.
What happened in that 10 minutes?
-Xavier went from a 6 point lead to 8 points down.
-Paul had no shots, but 2 assists for baskets, plus two more "assists" that resulted in free throw conversions- accounting for 6 points despite no shots. Oh, and ZERO turnovers.
-Q went 1-3 with 2 bad shots blocked, 1 turnover and 1 assist.
-Naji went 1-3 with 2 bad shots, 1 free throw and 1 turnover with zero assists.
So when Paul went through 10 minutes where he didn't have a shot- OUR BEST PLAYER- he still accounted for 6 clean points while the other two had 6 shots 1 Free Throw and 7 points, but because of the turnovers leading to points, a net of 2 points positive. Paul Scruggs, himself with ZERO shots, accounted for more net offense than the other 2 "stars" combined. This is ridiculous.

I totally blame Steele for A) Losing his poise after a proper no call on Marshall's drive and getting a BAAAD technical when down only 2, B) Allowing an offense with no called play to get your best player a shot or multiple shots at the basket over 10 minutes of crunch, C) Allowing the other "stars" to run wild with little productivity. I'll excuse Naji to an extent because Steele got him almost no rest and he worked his ass off, but there was no excuse for Q.
Almost every time the ball got into Jones and Hanky Saturday, good things happened, but if it wasn't Paul Scruggs delivering the ball in there 4 times, it didn't get done. That is also on Q.
Mr. Pine is calling for a meeting with him.


It really hurts me to say it (only because I want so badly for Q to play up to his ability again), but this entire post is right on the money.

These are not just mere opinions. Thank you for taking the time to spell out many of facts that have been looping in my head.

I agree with the reduced minutes remark. Q can earn his minutes (and his starting position) back by being a net positive when he does get in the game. But I still feel some of his inconsistent play could be part injury and part to do with Steele not knowing how to get him to stick to what he does best.

In my book, Paul is head and shoulders better at the PG right now. I have no clue what the hell is going on with Q, but Steele is not helping to make it any better by letting him go rogue out on the floor. He has shown little glimpses of improvement, but he is hurting the team when he stays out there and starts forcing bad shots or bad passes.

I will not excuse Naji as you did though. He shot a unimpressive 5-16 from the field this last game and he too makes too many bad decisions... particularly at the end of games. Marshall did play brilliantly for a good part of the game though.

Still, why is Steele allowing this crap to happen. Why do poor shooters continue to get the green light to shoot low percentage jumpers at the end of games when better options are available. A reoccurring bad decison coach. Let’s hope the tech at the end of a game is not a reoccurring thing.

I get that the team is not deep. I get that this is Steele’s first year in charge. I can appreciate that the last lost was a close one to a team that is good enough to have a deep run in the NCAA tournament. Still, we have witnesssd at least 4 games that this team could have won if not for the sameness undisciplined, bonehead decisions made on the court and just off (I’m looking at you coach. This team was never expected to win 27 games this season, but there is enough talent (and enough mediocre BE teams this year) that 20 wins would be very doable. Bad bad decisions again and again coach. You have finally got the team playing a little smarter and harder, but your guys look lost and flustered at the end of game, like they have no clue what to do but force a bunch of desperate jumpers.

I do want to add that I thought Jones and Hankins played hard and well in this last game and that Scruggs is that natural hero that Q and Naji are forcing so many bad shots to try to be. Scruggs is a special player who plays smarter and better everygame.

[XUBison]

Advocating Q get no more than 15 minutes a game is honestly laughable. Whether or not you think he's any good, it's pretty damn obvious he is absolutely better than the proverbial "next man up" on this roster (cue everyone asking if I'm related to Q).

Let's also pump the brakes on declaring the games against GTown and Butler some amazing stretch. Both those teams pretty much suck and X dug themselves a sizable hole in both games.


This settles it... Clearly, this guy is related to Q.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I wonder if any of our assistants are strong enough right now to suggest in game adjustments. Maybe all are a little gun shy..........

Johnson and Hayes are recruiters, like Travis, and there isn't a quintessential X's and O's guy on this staff. A grizzled old veteran assistant would have made WAY more sense on this staff.

I said before the season that my low expectations (16 wins, which, ironically, is going to turn out to be too high) were due in large part to what I expected would be a yearful of struggles from Travis sliding over 18 inches. I didn't like the make up of the staff, I didn't buy for a single second "I ran the offense" or "we will be a better defensive team", not to mention, you had to expect him to struggle with in-game decision making now that it is him standing and making the calls.

What I did NOT expect was the clear and obvious situations where he would be calling out a play and the ball-handlers would simply ignore him to do their own thing. Countless times. I don't believe he has the respect of the team, fully, at this point -- THAT is the thing that most surprises me.

[whopper]

I have noticed that also..people doing their own thing and not trusting certain teammates. The problem I see is that Scruggs (who has a decent outside shot), Q and Naji are very similar players who probe and try to get layups by penetrating. Add the double low post and we are totally packed in on offense. I don't think he is a great player(a good one though) but we won against GTown and Butler and Depaul with Welage providing some spacing and even if not hitting shots(although he did have important second half two pointers in both games) he gave Scruggs and Naji some room to maneuver and was an outlet for the post players. Probably makes no difference now but just an observation

[Masterofreality]

While Q has been playing like garbage lately, the answer can't be cutting his minutes in half. There's no hope to this year's squad finishing respectably (postseason play is a pipe dream at this point) and having any hope of a tournament bid next year that doesn't involve Q figuring out how to be productive. I agree more of the offense needs to revolve around Scruggs, but we need Q to turn things around more than we need more Welage/Castlin on the floor. Maybe you sit Q more until he's finally healthy, but the fact is we just don't have the depth/talent/recruits to write off our most experienced player as a lost cause.

How can you defend Q's minutes when the best games Xavier played this year were with Scruggs in there running the team and Q with ZERO minutes?
Less is More.

[Xavier]

How can you defend Q's minutes when the best games Xavier played this year were with Scruggs in there running the team and Q with ZERO minutes?
Less is More.

I don’t think Q has deserved his minutes but I agree he needs to play and work through the difficulties- Xavier will be much better off next year if he is able to do so....and at this point, we can all agree we are just prepping for next season

[Xuperman]

So this is a trash Q thread? Hard to believe. Expectations are way too high for a guy that’s not 100%. You all realize that he will end up scoring 1000+ with 600 assists, right? Not much “pine time” for athletic 6’4” guys with that kind of production.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required,"

Luke 12:48

[Muskie]

So this is a trash Q thread? Hard to believe. Expectations are way too high for a guy that’s not 100%. You all realize that he will end up scoring 1000+ with 600 assists, right? Not much “pine time” for athletic 6’4” guys with that kind of production.

Q may end up with the all-time assists record at X if he keeps up his present pace. We could easily have other threads titled with other players names. There are a lot of unrealistic expectations to go around.

[Xuperman]

Q may end up with the all-time assists record at X if he keeps up his present pace.

That is absolutely incredible! Can we all have some patience and start posting more about how fortunate we are to have him....thanks

[bleedXblue]

I think Q will turn it around once he gets his head in the right place. I think going from complimentary player to scoring option #1 or #2 has really put some pressure on the young man and he's having a hard time dealing with it. Some guys want to be THE GUY. Others quite honestly don't want that. Add to that, some injuries, new HC and the fact that we are not having a great year...........

[IM4X]

I think Q will turn it around once he gets his head in the right place. I think going from complimentary player to scoring option #1 or #2 has really put some pressure on the young man and he's having a hard time dealing with it. Some guys want to be THE GUY. Others quite honestly don't want that. Add to that, some injuries, new HC and the fact that we are not having a great year...........

This seems the most logical answer.

Q and Naji seem to feel that it is on them to step up and be the big scores this season and they are trying to do too many things, some of which are simply not their strengths (like making lots of 3s).

The need for the team to make more 3 point shoots likely has Q and Naji trying to fill that void. Shooting a few 3s a game (like two or three) when they have a good look from their sweet spot is fine. If they really want to help the team, they need to just stick to doing what they do best.

[Muskie]

That is absolutely incredible! Can we all have some patience and start posting more about how fortunate we are to have him....thanks

I last checked in at Game 13 this season:

Assists: Goodin (376): and 323 from the All-Time Record at X. Marshall (105). Scruggs (104). Goodin is currently on pace to pass Ralph Lee as all-time assists leader.

[xu koop scoop]

Q is struggling this season. Props up to the guy for being a major reason we made the Elite 8 two years ago - as a Free man who was forced to start due to Summers injury

[xu koop scoop]

Q is struggling this season. Props up to the guy for being a major reason we made the Elite 8 two years ago - as a Free man who was forced to start due to Summers injury

I hate spellcheck, I typed Freshman, not Free man

[XfansinKy]

Q is big, strong, fast, and can jump as good as anybody when he's on the go. His elite level athleticism also helps him on defense. He's gotta be playing hurt all year with his shoulder then his knee. I realize he can't shoot, never could, but he's not doing the things that made him a preseason dark horse all Big East player. Gotta be hurting.

[XUBison]

Q is big, strong, fast, and can jump as good as anybody when he's on the go. His elite level athleticism also helps him on defense. He's gotta be playing hurt all year with his shoulder then his knee. I realize he can't shoot, never could, but he's not doing the things that made him a preseason dark horse all Big East player. Gotta be hurting.


Well in fairness, I think we’d all be hurting if we spent all day throwing bricks.

[bleedXblue]

Q is big, strong, fast, and can jump as good as anybody when he's on the go. His elite level athleticism also helps him on defense. He's gotta be playing hurt all year with his shoulder then his knee. I realize he can't shoot, never could, but he's not doing the things that made him a preseason dark horse all Big East player. Gotta be hurting.

POY? He didnt make an pre season teams at all did he?

[XfansinKy]

Who said, "POY"? Work on your reading comprehension, or maybe you should read posts twice. Idk.

[Xavier]

Meh, doesn't really matter. "Dark horse" anything isn't really a compliment. Especially with only 10 teams

[xufan2020]

Thoughts on his game last night? Stat line was good.

Also does this surprise anyone?
3 Point shots over last 9 games played:
Goodin: 15/34 44%
Welage: 12/36 33%

[MHettel]

Thoughts on his game last night? Stat line was good.

Also does this surprise anyone?
3 Point shots over last 9 games played:
Goodin: 15/34 44%
Welage: 12/36 33%

Yes, this is a surprise. goodin hit back to back 3's off the backboard. he missed SO BADLY that they went in. my eyes tell me that Welage is the better shooter. it's like a guy that gets robbed on a sinking liner to the outfield, while some other dude legs out a libble squibbler down the 3rd base line. i know which guy I want at the plate when it matters....

not to take Welage off the hook. he has disappointed. He's not getting shots, and thats the only thing he's above average at. If he's not shooting, then he's not contributing. And if he's not getting enough shots, then shooting a pedestrian 35% is salt in the wound.

[drudy23]

C'mon, we knew Welage would struggle to get shots in conference play. He's just not athletic enough to get open against stronger, more explosive athletes.

[scoscox]

He's actually been pretty good going to the basket and finishing in the lane. I wouldn't mind seeing him try it more often. there are benefits to being 6'9"/10"

[Juice]

Welage did have an offensive rating of 120 last night. Only Tyrique and Quentin had a better rating last night.

[whopper]

I think both Welage and Castlin have performed as expected. I do think that if we had extended injuries for Marshall(Welage) or Goodin (Castlin)either one would have performed proficiently in their place as they would have more confidence knowing they would not get the quick hook. It is tough to move up a level as both were division 1 players, at a lower level there is always a weaker player(still good) on the floor where you would be able take off a switch. In this case everyone is good. You could even see against the Mid Majors like Miami-Ohio, Mercy etc they would more than hold their own.

[XUGRAD80]

Everyone of the freshman coming in is ranked by Rivals in the top 30 for their position (including Miles). So it would appear that there is some real talent coming in next year. It will be inexperienced, but hopefully the talent equals the hype. It’s a whole lot easier to threaten playing time when there is actual talent waiting to fill those minutes.

But I’ll also say this....it’s much better to have the players WANT to play the way the coach wants them to, than it is for them to only do it out of fear.

[Juice]

Everyone of the freshman coming in is ranked by Rivals in the top 30 for their position (including Miles). So it would appear that there is some real talent coming in next year. It will be inexperienced, but hopefully the talent equals the hype. It’s a whole lot easier to threaten playing time when there is actual talent waiting to fill those minutes.

But I’ll also say this....it’s much better to have the players WANT to play the way the coach wants them to, than it is for them to only do it out of fear.

We have good talent coming in but they're all barely 4 star players if not 3 star. They're all above the current freshman class but under Scruggs and Naji as freshmen. They should be able to provide minutes but Elias Harden had similar if not better ranking than some of the guys coming in.

[slysyl]

The comments about Q using the glass on two of his three's .It maybe someone of the coaches made a suggestion to do that to help his shooting. The BIG O used the glass all the time; and has said it is not used enough by most players today.

[X Factor]

The comments about Q using the glass on two of his three's .It maybe someone of the coaches made a suggestion to do that to help his shooting. The BIG O used the glass all the time; and has said it is not used enough by most players today.

From 23 feet out? I doubt it.

[Muskie]

The comments about Q using the glass on two of his three's .It maybe someone of the coaches made a suggestion to do that to help his shooting. The BIG O used the glass all the time; and has said it is not used enough by most players today.

I like where your heart is. But I doubt it.


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[XfansinKy]

True. Especially considering he was realistically a 3rd team preseason All Big East. He definitely isn't gonna finish near that.

[X Factor]

How many BE teams would Goodin start for?

[UCGRAD4X]

How many BE teams would Goodin start for?

He shouldn't be starting for this one.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

How many BE teams would Goodin start for?

Nova: Gillepsie/Booth = no
Marquette: Howard/anim/chourtnoy = I don't think so, but idk what the other two bring
Gtown: Akinjo/McClung = no (he's averaging 14/5 on 39% from three)
SJU: Ponds/Simon/Heron = lol
Butler: Baldwin/thompson = maybe. He might start over Thompson.
Creighton: Alexander/Zeg = no
Hall: Powell/McKnight = maybe. McKnight is a really good on ball defender averaging 10ppg and 4 assists
DePaul: Eli Cain is good, not sure who else they have that is better than Q.
Providence: Reeves is real good, but hurt, then you have White, Duke, and Ashton-Langford =another maybe

So four maybes. Five definitely not (including Marquette here).

[UCGRAD4X]

Nova: Gillepsie/Booth = no
Marquette: Howard/anim/chourtnoy = I don't think so, but idk what the other two bring
Gtown: Akinjo/McClung = no (he's averaging 14/5 on 39% from three)
SJU: Ponds/Simon/Heron = lol
Butler: Baldwin/thompson = maybe. He might start over Thompson.
Creighton: Alexander/Zeg = no
Hall: Powell/McKnight = maybe. McKnight is a really good on ball defender averaging 10ppg and 4 assists
DePaul: Eli Cain is good, not sure who else they have that is better than Q.
Providence: Reeves is real good, but hurt, then you have White, Duke, and Ashton-Langford =another maybe

So four maybes. Five definitely not (including Marquette here).

Wow. And he plays for us. In fact, he's our 'best'!

Sad.

[XUBison]

Wow. And he plays for us. In fact, he's our 'best'!

Sad.

But, but... he’s got so many assists.

[XU 87]

Q is a distributor, not a scorer. His skills were very useful last year when he was surrounded by scorers such as Bluiett and Macura. His limitations are more exposed this year when he's not surrounded by other scorers.

I also tend to think that the staff told him to shoot and try to score more this year. That obviously hasn't worked out too well.

[Juice]

Q is a distributor, not a scorer. His skills were very useful last year when he was surrounded by scorers such as Bluiett and Macura. His limitations are more exposed this year when he's not surrounded by other scorers.

I also tend to think that the staff told him to shoot and try to score more this year. That obviously hasn't worked out too well.

I don't think they specifically told him that. It's the main option of scoring he has been left this year because there is no one on the court to stretch the floor. And even if they did tell him to shoot more it's because we have no one else to shoot. Quentin is 4th on the team in 3P% (D. James is third so he's really third). Scruggs and Welage are the only better shooters on this team. The makeup of this team has screwed Q because teams pack it in on him so he can't get to the rim and he's being asked to do things he shouldn't be asked to do. That being said, he is turning it over too much and his defense has been crap at certain points. My point is, this isn't all his fault. His ORating last year was 105.8 and this year it's 100.6. There has been some regression but not as much as people think.

[vee4xu]

Sumpthin' ain't right with this hombre.

[xufan2020]

Does not look locked in. Those two turnovers at the end of the game just broke both his and the entire team’s spirit.
They folded after that.
Personal issues plus knee and shoulder injury are bothering him.
Please god Q come back to form next season

[whopper]

agreed, and when you do it late there is no time to recover. We have been making turnovers late. I can just imagine his thought process when the pass to wing was intercepted by Cain who went in for 2 fouls shots(made 1). He and Scruggs both had an "up and down" travel..Scruggs had a palming call and Naji had a couple including out of bounds to no one on sidelines. No shots on ANY of those plays . Maybe we will surprise somebody.. I am going to Providence next week and want to see the whole body language and interaction of players and coaches in warm up, etc (as if it will change my life)

[Xville]

I'd like to see this team without him next game. I just dont think hes doing this team any good, and mentally hes in another world.

[fellahmuskie]

I'm hoping to get to the Creighton game when the doors open for the same reason. Curious to see what the mood in warmups will be like.

[slysyl]

I get to all the games when the doors open; to see the warm ups. The coaches have the team working on all aspects of the game. They do work.

[JTG]

Does not look locked in. Those two turnovers at the end of the game just broke both his and the entire team’s spirit.
They folded after that.
Personal issues plus knee and shoulder injury are bothering him.
Please god Q come back to form next season

I must have missed something. What are the personal issues that have made Q such a mess ?

[XfansinKy]

I noticed a tweet where he was calling out the fans for not being as supportive as he would like. Maybe he needs a change of scenery as a senior? I don't think it would be at a higher level program. Probably a school like NKU or EKU.

[Xville]

I noticed a tweet where he was calling out the fans for not being as supportive as he would like. Maybe he needs a change of scenery as a senior? I don't think it would be at a higher level program. Probably a school like NKU or EKU.

He can leave if that's the case. He needs to concentrate on not throwing away games, not what the fanbase that supports this crap product this year is doing.

[Juice]

I noticed a tweet where he was calling out the fans for not being as supportive as he would like. Maybe he needs a change of scenery as a senior? I don't think it would be at a higher level program. Probably a school like NKU or EKU.

Really? He's played two good/solid seasons for X and one bad year in which a lot of guys haven't played well and it's time for him to go?

People were booing at the end. Booing college fan bases look/sound dumb.

[whopper]

Really? He's played two good/solid seasons for X and one bad year in which a lot of guys haven't played well and it's time for him to go?

People were booing at the end. Booing college fan bases look/sound dumb.
I think everyone (myself included) needs to lighten up. The last 4 years have been a sugar high for me, a lifelong basketball guy whose daughters attended X and lives in Providence, St John, Seton Hall and UConn country. A bad year for sure but lets see how it plays out. There will be no tournament unless a major miracle occurs but there are meaningful games to be played and I would love us to finish strong (if not successfully ) for all the players esp grad transfers who when the final buzzer goes off will see the end of their career and for the confidence of next years team

[Xavier]

He can leave if that's the case. He needs to concentrate on not throwing away games, not what the fanbase that supports this crap product this year is doing.

I think it’s soft to say “then get out” when he chirps at people who chirp at him. (The interaction in this case is way overblown) Bigger picture imo It’s ridiculous how fans of all sports scream and yell at players and then get offended if they say something back.

[Caf]

He can leave if that's the case. He needs to concentrate on not throwing away games, not what the fanbase that supports this crap product this year is doing.

I'm fairly confident none of us are more frustrated by Goodin's season than he is.

[Xville]

I think it’s soft to say “then get out” when he chirps at people who chirp at him. (The interaction in this case is way overblown) Bigger picture imo It’s ridiculous how fans of all sports scream and yell at players and then get offended if they say something back.

I know you said bigger picture, but I'm not offended at least not by this, I am offended by his horrid play.

I think it's completely ridiculous for a player to say anything about fans when the place is selling out during a season when there is a crap product on the court. Worry about your game, more than what the people who are helping to pay your scholarship are doing.

[XfansinKy]

I digress. He couldn't get much PT at EKU. They have a couple really good guards coming in next season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Really? He's played two good/solid seasons for X and one bad year in which a lot of guys haven't played well and it's time for him to go?

People were booing at the end. Booing college fan bases look/sound dumb.

This.

Booing college players (especially your own) is so dumb.

And I am cracking up at Q going to play at NKU or EKU.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I digress. He couldn't get much PT at EKU. They have a couple really good guards coming in next season.

Yeah I am sure Q wouldnt play as a senior at EKU since they have a couple superstar frehsman coming in. 3rd most assists in BE doesnt translate well to the Ohio Valley.

[Muskie]

Yeah I am sure Q wouldnt play as a senior at EKU since they have a couple superstar frehsman coming in. 3rd most assists in BE doesnt translate well to the Ohio Valley.

Q currently sits 9th all-time in Xavier History for Assists (a few behind Lionel Chalmers). His overall career at X has been a plus. I'm pulling for him to finish it out strong (if not this year -next).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Q currently sits 9th all-time in Xavier History for Assists (a few behind Lionel Chalmers). His overall career at X has been a plus. I'm pulling for him to finish it out strong (if not this year -next).

Agree 100%. He is obviously not having the year we thought he would but that doesn't mean he won't have a great senior year. I think this year will be a big learning experience for all involved, coaches and players. I think surrounded by a few more shooters and playmakers next year and Q can really bounce back.

[Muskie]

XavierHoops.com@XavierHoops
10 mins ago (https://twitter.com/XavierHoops/status/1095323100063895558)

PG Quentin Goodin (397) is a mere 8 assists behind Lionel Chalmers (405) for 9th in School History. Next up on the list is Michael Hawkins with 448 assists. #assists #LetsGoX #knowyourhistory #championsinthelockerroom

[XfansinKy]

Yeah I am sure Q wouldnt play as a senior at EKU since they have a couple superstar frehsman coming in. 3rd most assists in BE doesnt translate well to the Ohio Valley.

He really wouldn't at EKU. I admit idk what I'm talking about with NKU. He's a beast on the assists baby!!!

[AviatorX]

Yeah I am sure Q wouldnt play as a senior at EKU since they have a couple superstar frehsman coming in. 3rd most assists in BE doesnt translate well to the Ohio Valley.

Consider the source and his past takes on some guy who scored 2000 points and was 3x First Team All BE.

[XfansinKy]

Consider the source and his past takes on some guy who scored 2000 points and was 3x First Team All BE.

Yes he carried us in the FSU game didn't he bud?

[XfansinKy]

Consider the source and his past takes on some guy who scored 2000 points and was 3x First Team All BE.

That meltdown in his last game here may have proved my point that he struggled against athletic teams, but it wasn't what I hoped for.

[AviatorX]

That meltdown in his last game here may have proved my point that he struggled against athletic teams, but it wasn't what I hoped for.

Yes, one off game proved your point that he wasn't athletic enough for the Big East, despite scoring over 2,000 points and being on the Big East first team 3 times.

[xufan2020]

That meltdown in his last game here may have proved my point that he struggled against athletic teams, but it wasn't what I hoped for.
Seton Hall, Villanova, Cincinnati, ect. All those unathletic teams Trevon scored over 20 against last year.
Between that comment, your goodin not starting on EKU claim, and your suggestion that Pat Kelsey should’ve been hired, you might be the most delusional poster on here. It’s laughable how little you know.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Consider the source and his past takes on some guy who scored 2000 points and was 3x First Team All BE.

True

[XfansinKy]

Seton Hall, Villanova, Cincinnati, ect. All those unathletic teams Trevon scored over 20 against last year.
Between that comment, your goodin not starting on EKU claim, and your suggestion that Pat Kelsey should’ve been hired, you might be the most delusional poster on here. It’s laughable how little you know.

Dually noted. I apologize for hurting a few feelings on here. I'm not a cheerleader and I'm not a downer.
Kelsey has experience running a D1 program and unlike coach Steele, has played. Kelsey has been to the NCAA tournament. Steele hasn't done any of that. I believe in about four years though, Steele will have his hands around the program, and it will be back to winning at Xavier.
I'm from Richmond and an EKU alumni that follows the sports program pretty closely, and I assure you Q would not be a lock to start there.
My take on Tre, unfortunately, is the same take NBA scouts have. He scored a lot more than Sumner too, but who's got an NBA 2 year deal, and who's a two way player?
I think you and a couple others just take it too personal. For God's sake, one of you has a crush so bad on David West, you have a selfie of him on your profile. That's weird for a "grown man", or someone who claims to be. The one thing local college fans dislike about Xavier is a percentage of our fans are condescending dicks who think they are so much better, and smarter than others that it's just "laughable". Anyways, I'm sorry you guys get your feelings hurt so easily, I really am. That's gotta suck.

[Xville]

Dually noted. I apologize for hurting a few feelings on here. I'm not a cheerleader and I'm not a downer.
Kelsey has experience running a D1 program and unlike coach Steele, has played. Kelsey has been to the NCAA tournament. Steele hasn't done any of that. I believe in about four years though, Steele will have his hands around the program, and it will be back to winning at Xavier.
I'm from Richmond and an EKU alumni that follows the sports program pretty closely, and I assure you Q would not be a lock to start there.
My take on Tre, unfortunately, is the same take NBA scouts have. He scored a lot more than Sumner too, but who's got an NBA 2 year deal, and who's a two way player?
I think you and a couple others just take it too personal. For God's sake, one of you has a crush so bad on David West, you have a selfie of him on your profile. That's weird for a "grown man", or someone who claims to be. The one thing local college fans dislike about Xavier is a percentage of our fans are condescending dicks who think they are so much better, and smarter than others that it's just "laughable". Anyways, I'm sorry you guys get your feelings hurt so easily, I really am. That's gotta suck.

Man someone woke up on the wrong side of the crib this morning.

I agree that tre was not the most athletic person in the world, and he did struggle at times against quick athletic players, but the fact does remain he was a first team all BE player for 3 years. Also, to compare his situation to Sumner's is pretty stupid at this point considering ed has more time put in on the professional ranks. Tre may end up with that same kind of contract in a year or two...jury is still out.

Lastly, every fan base has condescending dicks in it, probably even your favorite team the eastern kentucky mermaids or whatever they are called.

[Caf]

Dually noted. I apologize for hurting a few feelings on here. I'm not a cheerleader and I'm not a downer.
Kelsey has experience running a D1 program and unlike coach Steele, has played. Kelsey has been to the NCAA tournament. Steele hasn't done any of that. I believe in about four years though, Steele will have his hands around the program, and it will be back to winning at Xavier.
I'm from Richmond and an EKU alumni that follows the sports program pretty closely, and I assure you Q would not be a lock to start there.
My take on Tre, unfortunately, is the same take NBA scouts have. He scored a lot more than Sumner too, but who's got an NBA 2 year deal, and who's a two way player?
I think you and a couple others just take it too personal. For God's sake, one of you has a crush so bad on David West, you have a selfie of him on your profile. That's weird for a "grown man", or someone who claims to be. The one thing local college fans dislike about Xavier is a percentage of our fans are condescending dicks who think they are so much better, and smarter than others that it's just "laughable". Anyways, I'm sorry you guys get your feelings hurt so easily, I really am. That's gotta suck.

This ending to an emotional rant is laugh out loud funny. The only person with obviously hurt feelings is you.

In the words of Cam'ron, "You maaad. You maaaaaad."

[D-West & PO-Z]

This ending to an emotional rant is laugh out loud funny. The only person with obviously hurt feelings is you.

In the words of Cam'ron, "You maaad. You maaaaaad."

:biggrin:

[Xavier]

This ending to an emotional rant is laugh out loud funny. The only person with obviously hurt feelings is you.

In the words of Cam'ron, "You maaad. You maaaaaad."

Yep. He spent a paragraph explaining that people care too much about their teams and feelings getting hurt. Clearly doesn't see he is exactly what he spent too much time explaining.

[xufan2020]

Dually noted. I apologize for hurting a few feelings on here. I'm not a cheerleader and I'm not a downer.
Kelsey has experience running a D1 program and unlike coach Steele, has played. Kelsey has been to the NCAA tournament. Steele hasn't done any of that. I believe in about four years though, Steele will have his hands around the program, and it will be back to winning at Xavier.
I'm from Richmond and an EKU alumni that follows the sports program pretty closely, and I assure you Q would not be a lock to start there.
My take on Tre, unfortunately, is the same take NBA scouts have. He scored a lot more than Sumner too, but who's got an NBA 2 year deal, and who's a two way player?
I think you and a couple others just take it too personal. For God's sake, one of you has a crush so bad on David West, you have a selfie of him on your profile. That's weird for a "grown man", or someone who claims to be. The one thing local college fans dislike about Xavier is a percentage of our fans are condescending dicks who think they are so much better, and smarter than others that it's just "laughable". Anyways, I'm sorry you guys get your feelings hurt so easily, I really am. That's gotta suck.
Like I said, it’s laughable. You’re the one whose feelings are hurt, given you took the time to write a long response that makes your arguments more embarrassing. By the way, I hope you enjoyed watching Goodin completely dominate your alma mater with 16,10, and 7 steals. Not a chance he’d start there right?

[AviatorX]

Dually noted. I apologize for hurting a few feelings on here. I'm not a cheerleader and I'm not a downer.
Kelsey has experience running a D1 program and unlike coach Steele, has played. Kelsey has been to the NCAA tournament. Steele hasn't done any of that. I believe in about four years though, Steele will have his hands around the program, and it will be back to winning at Xavier.
I'm from Richmond and an EKU alumni that follows the sports program pretty closely, and I assure you Q would not be a lock to start there.
My take on Tre, unfortunately, is the same take NBA scouts have. He scored a lot more than Sumner too, but who's got an NBA 2 year deal, and who's a two way player?
I think you and a couple others just take it too personal. For God's sake, one of you has a crush so bad on David West, you have a selfie of him on your profile. That's weird for a "grown man", or someone who claims to be. The one thing local college fans dislike about Xavier is a percentage of our fans are condescending dicks who think they are so much better, and smarter than others that it's just "laughable". Anyways, I'm sorry you guys get your feelings hurt so easily, I really am. That's gotta suck.

I honestly like you and think much of the time you have some good insight (especially about actual gameplay, it’s obvious you played). I just think you’ve dug in on two separate hilariously wrong points.

[scoscox]

That meltdown in his last game here may have proved my point that he struggled against athletic teams, but it wasn't what I hoped for.

Remember when he torched that same team (which still included nba draft picks jonathan isaac and dwayne bacon) for 25 the year before to lead us to a 25 point win? And then I'm pretty sure he did something similar to an arizona team featuring allonzo trier, lauri markaanen, kobi simmons, and rawle alkins