Following our 2019 Recruits

[Xuperman]

I saw him play too, and he looks every bit of 7ft with long arms. Good hands, good feet, and if he can put on a little weight by the start of the season, I can see him coming in and getting 5-8 minutes a game. He's not at all clumsy. Underrated imo.

If Miles shows he can compete basketball wise and hold his own against Jones early on, his weight may not matter that much. The guy is a proven shot blocker (I think he shattered the Kentucky HS tourney record w/ 15). As far as him getting it done in the BE, think of Tariq Owens for SJU. That guy was/is a string bean but still was very effective. He is having an outstanding year protecting the rim at TTU.....83 blocks and counting. If all goes well, we get some Owens defensively with some Paul Reed bball IQ!

[Juice]

If Miles shows he can compete basketball wise and hold his own against Jones early on, his weight may not matter that much. The guy is a proven shot blocker (I think he shattered the Kentucky HS tourney record w/ 15). As far as him getting it done in the BE, think of Tariq Owens for SJU. That guy was/is a string bean but still was very effective. He is having an outstanding year protecting the rim at TTU.....83 blocks and counting. If all goes well, we get some Owens defensively with some Paul Reed bball IQ!

And I think that's why there is talk of him redshirting. He can probably hold his own shot blocking. But can he contribute in any way on the offensive end? Does he have any low post moves (that will work against legitimate D1 talent)? Can he pick up on X's defensive scheme?

I just don't see him getting enough minutes after Jones, Freemantle, and Ramsey to justify burning his redshirt. That being said. I've only seen clips of him so what do I know?

[joe titan]

Where did this strategy come from of recruiting a big man "project" and then redshirting him come from? We've reportedly tried it the last two years (K.Jones and Walter) and neither one even made it to campus. I know each had situations, but it is also what has left us with pretty much one for-sure big next year. Is there some case from the past that makes us keep going to this well? Jaylen Reynolds is maybe the closest example I can think of, but he was held out due to an issue with his transcript and not as a redshirt as I recall, and he also left early, so it's not like we got en extra year out of it anyway. Are there a number of examples outside of Xavier where this big-man-red-shirt strategy has worked out?

I guess my point is, I'm not sure Miles will be an automatic redshirt.

How quickly we forget; DBrown springs to mind; without using dirty words Keith Waleskowski is good example. Sometimes it's a matter of team's needs to allow a player who has upside but will not likely see minutes as FR; also gets effective head start on next recruiting class. As for strategy, this has been ongoing since redshirts were invented--even more so in football-- at least 40 years ago.

[Xville]

How quickly we forget; DBrown springs to mind; without using dirty words Keith Waleskowski is good example. Sometimes it's a matter of team's needs to allow a player who has upside but will not likely see minutes as FR; also gets effective head start on next recruiting class. As for strategy, this has been ongoing since redshirts were invented--even more so in football-- at least 40 years ago.

Agreed and plus balancing out classes a bit is always a good idea if possible.

[Xuperman]

And I think that's why there is talk of him redshirting. He can probably hold his own shot blocking. But can he contribute in any way on the offensive end? Does he have any low post moves (that will work against legitimate D1 talent)? Can he pick up on X's defensive scheme?

All those questions will be answered in the weeks leading up to the start of the season. If he can effectively guard and score on Tyrique and whatever transfer big we end up with, a redshirt may not be warranted.

Of course getting some balance to the next 2 classes is another issue entirely. For that reason I think Ramsey could be a redshirt option. By all accounts he is pretty raw, especially scoring wise.

[Juice]

All those questions will be answered in the weeks leading up to the start of the season. If he can effectively guard and score on Tyrique and whatever transfer big we end up with, a redshirt may not be warranted.

Of course getting some balance to the next 2 classes is another issue entirely. For that reason I think Ramsey could be a redshirt option. By all accounts he is pretty raw, especially scoring wise.

I don't think a big is their priority on the transfer market.

[XUGRAD80]

I don't think a big is their priority on the transfer market.

They have reached out to at least one, and probably more.

I do believe that they will have the room to go after more than one transfer, so it’s not going to be and either-or proposition.

[xavierj]

Miles could also be a junior in high school, so him redshirting is probably a really good idea.

[slysyl]

How does this board know so much about red shirting incoming players. These kid read boards and don't need to hear won a be coaches BS.

[94GRAD]

How does this board know so much about red shirting incoming players. These kid read boards and don't need to hear won a be coaches BS.

What is won a be?

[XUGRAD80]

How does this board know so much about red shirting incoming players. These kid read boards and don't need to hear won a be coaches BS.

It’s pure speculation by people here, and I’m sure the recruits know much more about what will or won’t happen than anyone here. Relax. Nothing we say or do will make one bit of difference in what actually happens.

[Joel]

How does this board know so much about red shirting incoming players. These kid read boards and don't need to hear won a be coaches BS.

Any kid good enough to land at X has been living this life for 4-6 years. If they bother to read message boards out of total boredom, they know better than to take anything they read on them seriously.

[Xuperman]

No disgrace in redshirting. It's right for some not most.

[scoscox]

plenty of great players have red shirted. lionel chalmers, bj raymond i think, edmond sumner, mikal bridges at nova, donte divincenzo, omari spellman

[XUGRAD80]

In the after game radio show, following the Texas game, coach Jonas was asked what the coaches would be concentrating on now. His answer...” Acquiring more talent.”

He sounded VERY positive about the future.

[scoscox]

In the after game radio show, following the Texas game, coach Jonas was asked what the coaches would be concentrating on now. His answer...” Acquiring more talent.”

He sounded VERY positive about the future.

"talent acquisition" i love it

[UCGRAD4X]

"talent acquisition" i love it

That's the name of the game for the off-season for these guys.

No rest for the...

[xu82]

That's the name of the game for the off-season for these guys.

No rest for the...

Greatest!

[XfansinKy]

I didn't know Dieonte Miles was young enough to be a junior though.

[bleedXblue]

IMHO this would become an EXCELLENT class with the addition of another top 100 frosh added to the class. And it would almost have to be a SG or SF. Knowing what we have now and with the Odom commit for 2020, its clear this is what we need.

The transfer route I guess is fine too........but would prefer we build with youth as we have some air cover next year (assuming all core guys return).

[Xuperman]

IMHO this would become an EXCELLENT class with the addition of another top 100 frosh added to the class. And it would almost have to be a SG or SF. Knowing what we have now and with the Odom commit for 2020, its clear this is what we need.

The transfer route I guess is fine too........but would prefer we build with youth as we have some air cover next year (assuming all core guys return).

I almost prefer standing pat on the 5 freshman unless it’s the right 4 star, this late in the process. If we end up with 6, a redshirt would most certainly be part of the plan. I’m hoping the staff is concentrating on adding more top 100 guys to go with Odom.

As far as keeping the core 4 together, they’re gonna be back just to see the “legend of the chin” up close and personal!!

[Xuperman]

Thinking further down the road, it would be so nice to get some quality transfers that will have multiple years of eligibility. Ideally a couple of guys that don’t mind sitting out a year and would be seniors in 2021-22. That would avoid that scramble for senior leadership in 3 years. QUALITY grad transfers are always in high demand.....never enough to go around. The lesser guys are always hit and miss. Imagine having a Marcus Foster/Eric Paschal type guy in the fold OR another Big Stain.....that would be HUGE.

[Joel]

A dude along those lines I wouldn't mind our taking a look at is Sinclair Community College's Sean McNeil. Immediately eligible, three years left. He's a big guard who is supposed to be a high level shot maker. He has a lot of high-major interest.

[JTG]

A dude along those lines I wouldn't mind our taking a look at is Sinclair Community College's Sean McNeil. Immediately eligible, three years left. He's a big guard who is supposed to be a high level shot maker. He has a lot of high-major interest.

I thought Sinclair was a school women went to for typing and filing.

[Joel]

I don't care how he identifies as long as he can get buckets.

[XUGRAD80]

A dude along those lines I wouldn't mind our taking a look at is Sinclair Community College's Sean McNeil. Immediately eligible, three years left. He's a big guard who is supposed to be a high level shot maker. He has a lot of high-major interest.

Xavier did not make his top 6. No chance he will be coming.

[94GRAD]

Xavier did not make his top 6. No chance he will be coming.

That's because Xavier never offered him a scholarship

[xukeith]

Do we all think Columbia transfer Myles Hanson will NOT get a scholly? 6'7.

If not, why did he transfer and sit out a year to practice.

Logic please.

[Muskie in dayton]

plenty of great players have red shirted. lionel chalmers, bj raymond i think, edmond sumner, mikal bridges at nova, donte divincenzo, omari spellman

I agree with your statement but the examples aren’t so good. Chalmers didn’t redshirt. He was a NCAA partial qualifier. Same with Spellman. Summer didn’t redshirt - he played as a Freshman, as did Raymond. DiVincenzo was not a developmental redshirt, but a medical redshirt. He got hurt after playing a handful of games as a freshman.

[scoscox]

sumner definitely redshirted, but you're right about the others

[scoscox]

Do we all think Columbia transfer Myles Hanson will NOT get a scholly? 6'7.

If not, why did he transfer and sit out a year to practice.

Logic please.

well he agreed to being a walk-on. my take was that he was transferring to be a part of big time college basketball and i assumed it was a "we'll give you a scholarship if we have one open" kind of deal. i doubt we'd be offering a guaranteed scholly to a guy who never saw the court at columbia

[XUGRAD80]

That's because Xavier never offered him a scholarship

Which came first.....the chicken or the egg?

Do you mean to imply that if X had offered him a scholarship, he would have X in his top 6?

It could just as easily be that he told X from the beginning that he wasn’t interested, so X never offered. OR it could be that Steele isn’t convinced that he was needed.

We just don’t know, and probably never will.

[XUGRAD80]

well he agreed to being a walk-on. my take was that he was transferring to be a part of big time college basketball and i assumed it was a "we'll give you a scholarship if we have one open" kind of deal. i doubt we'd be offering a guaranteed scholly to a guy who never saw the court at columbia


That’s probably pretty accurate.

X is actively reaching out to potential transfers that would be immediately eligible, and has also offered some additional possible freshman recruits. So I think it’s safe to say that they will have some scholarship(s) open up. Hansen’s is probably one of them.

[Joel]

Which came first.....the chicken or the egg?

Do you mean to imply that if X had offered him a scholarship, he would have X in his top 6?

It could just as easily be that he told X from the beginning that he wasn’t interested, so X never offered. OR it could be that Steele isn’t convinced that he was needed.

We just don’t know, and probably never will.

It never seemed to me like we were seriously looking at him, and I don't know why. I think his floor is basically Welly for the next three years and with solid upside. It's no wonder to me that we didn't make his top six. There's probably a reason we were so lukewarm on him, but it's not immediately clear to me. I suppose that's why Travis Steele makes the big bucks and I'm just sitting at this computer in my mom's basement.

[noteggs]

well he agreed to being a walk-on. my take was that he was transferring to be a part of big time college basketball and i assumed it was a "we'll give you a scholarship if we have one open" kind of deal. i doubt we'd be offering a guaranteed scholly to a guy who never saw the court at columbia

With Hanson, that was the first and only time I questioned Steele’s recruiting last year. Think you’re spot on with why he got a scholarship. Getting Kyle was ok and not sure what he can bring (turned out to be good) and then the Hanson stuff. At the time, thought why are we bringing in two players from an 8-19 Ivy League school?

My only assumption is Hanson is from Minnesota and Ben Johnson knows something about him. At this point, he’s obviously not a focal point but someone that might surprise?

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

STEELE DOESNT SLEEP. Jason Carter of Ohio has committed to X.

ACQUISITION SZN

[bobbiemcgee]

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/136460/

[Muskie in dayton]

sumner definitely redshirted, but you're right about the others

He actually didn’t. He played a handful of games as a freshman before sitting out the rest of the year due to injury (knee tendinitis). He could have petitioned and likely been granted a 5th year of eligibility, but unfortunately it never got to that point.

[Xuperman]

[QUOTE=MITTENMUSKIE16;647098]STEELE DOESNT SLEEP. Jason Carter of Ohio has committed to X./QUOTE]

WOW....This is huge!!

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

He actually didn’t. He played a handful of games as a freshman before sitting out the rest of the year due to injury (knee tendinitis). He could have petitioned and likely been granted a 5th year of eligibility, but unfortunately it never got to that point.

He was named to the All Big East freshmen team in 2015. Semantics.

[noteggs]

Bryan Antione (5 star Villanova recruit) player of year in New Jersey over Freemantle who was first team. Should make for a fun couple years with the two going head to head twice a year. Unfortunately they play different positions but looking forward to having Antoine driving the lane and having Freemantle swatting it away to fire up the crowd!

[XfansinKy]

https://youtu.be/4HIGYfFZRoA

[muskiefan82]

https://youtu.be/4HIGYfFZRoA

Liking that warm up t-shirt...

[GreatWhiteNorth]

It’s nice to see a player who can shoot FTs.

[paulxu]

And can score with his off hand.

[xukeith]

And jump off one foot.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And jump off one foot.

Definitely most important.

[XfansinKy]

https://youtu.be/P6gesmWHI9o

[UCGRAD4X]

Notice most of his moves were against small white kids that were gobsmacked. The look on some of those kid's baby-faces when they knew what was coming. The teammate with the hair in the background on the free throws was priceless too.

Ky definitely has some skills.

[GIMMFD]

Notice most of his moves were against small white kids that were gobsmacked. The look on some of those kid's baby-faces when they knew what was coming. The teammate with the hair in the background on the free throws was priceless too.

Ky definitely has some skills.

I know highlight tapes are just that, highlight tapes, but damn it's hard not to be excited about Tandy. He definitely looks like he can score in bunches, him and Bishop in the back court over the next couple years should be a treat to watch.

[LOLmickcronin]

Notice most of his moves were against small white kids that were gobsmacked. The look on some of those kid's baby-faces when they knew what was coming. The teammate with the hair in the background on the free throws was priceless too.

Ky definitely has some skills.

I’ve noticed this on most of his highlight tapes. Really looks like he had a lot of low level opponents consisting of short white kids. Obviously how athletic ability and talent are still visible but I do wonder how much of a speed adjustment it’ll be coming from low level Kentucky high schoolers to the big east.

[xavierdude]

And now Elias Harden is in the transfer portal, per Shannon Russell.

https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/1116767419756896256

[scoscox]

Kyky lost in the finals of the dunk contest, 3 point contest, and the 1on1 tournament at the ohio-ky all-star event tonight. he and dieonte play for ky against ohio tomorrow at 7:30 at thomas more

https://twitter.com/ohkyallstargame

he definitely got jobbed on the dunk contest

[Xuperman]

The 1 on 1 final was Samari Curtis vs KyKy Tandy? Very interesting.....If anyone witnessed this, PLEASE give us a full report.

[Juice]

The 1 on 1 final was Samari Curtis vs KyKy Tandy? Very interesting.....If anyone witnessed this, PLEASE give us a full report.

Kyky lost 9-7

[webxu]

Kyky lost 9-7

supposedly curtis hit a 3 at the time limit to win it

[X-Men55]

Just saw Dwon Odom talking recently about how he is 50-50 about reclassifying to the 2019 class. Would be a welcomed addition for sure.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Per an article in USA TODAY with Odom quotes, he is 50-50 on reclassifying to 2019. He says that he and his mom talk about it every day, and he is all set class wise to do it. He will make his final decision by June. Wow...

[xukeith]

Per an article in USA TODAY with Odom quotes, he is 50-50 on reclassifying to 2019. He says that he and his mom talk about it every day, and he is all set class wise to do it. He will make his final decision by June. Wow...

Not sure how I feel about SIX frosh. yikes as that is a lot of growing pains and unhappy guys with little playing time. We shall see.

[xukeith]

FWIW, Kentucky lost to Ohio in all star game by 4. 112-108 or something like that. KyKy won Kentucky's Most Outstanding player. Wonder how many blocks Miles had. Did Curtis do anything exciting?
Per Twitter, KyKy hit a 3 over Curtis and Miles was super hyped.

[X-Men55]

FWIW, Kentucky lost to Ohio in all star game by 4. 112-108 or something like that. KyKy won Kentucky's Most Outstanding player. Wonder how many blocks Miles had. Did Curtis do anything exciting?
Per Twitter, KyKy hit a 3 over Curtis and Miles was super hyped.

I read Miles has 3 pts & 2 blks.

[xukeith]

I read Miles has 3 pts & 2 blks.

yikes.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Not sure how I feel about SIX frosh. yikes as that is a lot of growing pains and unhappy guys with little playing time. We shall see.

Sort of where I’m at. But if Dwon feels ready to come now, and the staff communicated they also think he’s ready, then he pretty easily becomes the best of the six incoming freshman.

[scoscox]

Curtis hit the game winning three and free throws but that was basically all he did. i think he ended up with 13 points or something like that. amari davis from trotwood was ohio's best player

[X-Men55]

Sort of where I’m at. But if Dwon feels ready to come now, and the staff communicated they also think he’s ready, then he pretty easily becomes the best of the six incoming freshman.

Conflicted as well. I'd almost prefer him to stay in 2020 and have Bryce Moore transfer in. Given the potential of the team and expectations, a gritty defender and above average shooter would be preferred.

[scoscox]

Dwon coming next year means we're no longer in danger of losing him next year, especially if jonas leaves, so that'd be nice.

[Muskie in dayton]

Dwon coming next year means we're no longer in danger of losing him next year, especially if jonas leaves, so that'd be nice.

Great point. I also think it’s for the best. Right now we’re basically replacing 2 guards (Castlin and Hardin) with 2 guards (Tandy and Bishop). The other 4 incoming are bigs. Some extra depth would be nice.

If if it’s at the cost of the grad transfer from WMU, fine. Possible short term loss but substantial long-term gain. But we could be disappointed relying on someone post-ACL surgery, especially hearing he played so long on it. That very likely means the meniscus was further damaged and his recovery will never be complete.

[JTG]

Great point. I also think it’s for the best. Right now we’re basically replacing 2 guards (Castlin and Hardin) with 2 guards (Tandy and Bishop). The other 4 incoming are bigs. Some extra depth would be nice.

If if it’s at the cost of the grad transfer from WMU, fine. Possible short term loss but substantial long-term gain. But we could be disappointed relying on someone post-ACL surgery, especially hearing he played so long on it. That very likely means the meniscus was further damaged and his recovery will never be complete.

I'm confused, wasn't the WMU guy's surgery after last season, or was it this year ? I think we need as many guards as possible, as long as we have 2 bigs.

[D-West & PO-Z]

From what I heard on Odom from a very in the know source is that he is not coming this year. The info I heard is that he will not be able to graduate this year.

[XUGRAD80]

From what I heard on Odom from a very in the know source is that he is not coming this year. The info I heard is that he will not be able to graduate this year.

The article quotes him as saying that “I’m eligible and everything”, and that he will make the decision in June, after his school year ends in May.

[Xville]

I think it's best if odom does come and here is my reasoning....get the freshman adjustment year out of the way now when there are upperclassmen starters ahead of you.

I really dont see naji or scruggs staying their senior year, so I think the.more freshmen the better in terms of guards this year. My assumption is that next year is paul, naji and for sure qs last year..kyky bishop and dwon to take the reins the following year

[xufan2020]

I think it's best if odom does come and here is my reasoning....get the freshman adjustment year out of the way now when there are upperclassmen starters ahead of you.

I really dont see naji or scruggs staying their senior year, so I think the.more freshmen the better in terms of guards this year. My assumption is that next year is paul, naji and for sure qs last year..kyky bishop and dwon to take the reins the following year
I think either Naji or Scruggs will leave after next season. If both leave we’ve probably had an elite season with a tournament run, which would be awesome. I don’t know if they’ll have a top 10 regular season but they definitely have the potential to make a run in March. I’m just predicting one of the two stays for their senior season.

[Xville]

I think either Naji or Scruggs will leave after next season. If both leave we’ve probably had an elite season with a tournament run, which would be awesome. I don’t know if they’ll have a top 10 regular season but they definitely have the potential to make a run in March. I’m just predicting one of the two stays for their senior season.

They both declared for the draft this year...why would you do that this year if you arent leaving after next year? Can only declare twice now. Both older I believe than their class...even if they for some reason arent projected to be drafted, I think they skip senior year and go the Europe or g league route.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The article quotes him as saying that “I’m eligible and everything”, and that he will make the decision in June, after his school year ends in May.

Yes I know what it said, I am saying what this person told me who again has a source at the very top.

I have no first hand knowledge obviously but what I heard I trust very much.

I completely get other people not trusting that tho, I am just a guy on the internet who heard from a guy, so I get that, but I would be shocked if this guy is wrong and Odom comes this year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They both declared for the draft this year...why would you do that this year if you arent leaving after next year? Can only declare twice now. Both older I believe than their class...even if they for some reason arent projected to be drafted, I think they skip senior year and go the Europe or g league route.

Hopefully not and they chose the Markus Howard route (or the Tre route). I know he will be a young senior so thats an advantage to Howard but theres probably not much he will show that he didnt this year. He is coming back hoping for a special season and to be a Marquette legend. I think there is some hope that that would entice Naji and Scruggs as well.

Now if either improves to the point of a projected first round pick all bets are off.

[xufan2020]

They both declared for the draft this year...why would you do that this year if you arent leaving after next year? Can only declare twice now. Both older I believe than their class...even if they for some reason arent projected to be drafted, I think they skip senior year and go the Europe or g league route.
Lol like I’m the one that has to explain myself. Naji and Scruggs still have some significant holes in their game. But since you think it’s basically a forgone conclusion that both could get drafted after next season, (two players being drafted in the same year from Xavier almost never happens) what are you predicting for next season? I mean I hope you’re right honestly but it’s just not what I predict happening.

[Muskie in dayton]

I'm confused, wasn't the WMU guy's surgery after last season, or was it this year ? I think we need as many guards as possible, as long as we have 2 bigs.

He had surgery after the ‘17-‘18 season and sat out ‘18-‘19.

[Xville]

Lol like I’m the one that has to explain myself. Naji and Scruggs still have some significant holes in their game. But since you think it’s basically a forgone conclusion that both could get drafted after next season, (two players being drafted in the same year from Xavier almost never happens) what are you predicting for next season? I mean I hope you’re right honestly but it’s just not what I predict happening.

Where did I say it's a foregone conclusion they get drafted? I said even if they weren't projected to be drafted, I think they would still go the Europe or g league route.

They are older in their class, they have the measurables physically and they are testing the process to see where they are this year. They cant do that again next year without being gone..there are signs to them leaving. Not saying it's going to happen 100% but signs are pointing that direction.

[scoscox]

Yes I know what it said, I am saying what this person told me who again has a source at the very top.

I have no first hand knowledge obviously but what I heard I trust very much.

I completely get other people not trusting that tho, I am just a guy on the internet who heard from a guy, so I get that, but I would be shocked if this guy is wrong and Odom comes this year.

i mean, why would he lie about being ready?

[D-West & PO-Z]

i mean, why would he lie about being ready?

Not sure.

[xukeith]

Lol like I’m the one that has to explain myself. Naji and Scruggs still have some significant holes in their game. But since you think it’s basically a forgone conclusion that both could get drafted after next season, (two players being drafted in the same year from Xavier almost never happens) what are you predicting for next season? I mean I hope you’re right honestly but it’s just not what I predict happening.

For either to be drafted next year, he would have to be a consistent deadly 3 point shooter, slasher and show amazing athleticism.
Length combined with no problems dribbling would be factors.

I doubt either will be drafted next year. Makes little sense unless their game dramatically changes.

[Xville]

For either to be drafted next year, he would have to be a consistent deadly 3 point shooter, slasher and show amazing athleticism.
Length combined with no problems dribbling would be factors.

I doubt either will be drafted next year. Makes little sense unless their game dramatically changes.

Paul has all the attributes listed above besides the dribbling part which I'm sure that is what he will be working on this summer along with all of the other facets of his gane.

Regardless, leaving before completing all four years doesn't mean being drafted. I think we all learned that as recently as with kaiser.

[scoscox]

For either to be drafted next year, he would have to be a consistent deadly 3 point shooter, slasher and show amazing athleticism.
Length combined with no problems dribbling would be factors.

I doubt either will be drafted next year. Makes little sense unless their game dramatically changes.

if naji plays the entire year like he did down the stretch, he'll get drafted. he has length and can defend 1-4 very well, is an elite rebounder at his size, and has very good quickness for a player his height. if he shoots like he did at the end of the year, he's a shoe-in. paul just needs consistency. he has good athleticism, is extremely long, defends well and even defends the post well, and scores from every level. if he produces consistently teams will want him

the naji before the ankle injury that shut down alpha diallo, ty-shon alexander, myles powell, shamorie ponds, and phil booth and scored 14, 23, 28, 31, and 17 is going to get drafted. he was arguably the best player in the big east the second half of the season.

[LOLmickcronin]

if naji plays the entire year like he did down the stretch, he'll get drafted. he has length and can defend 1-4 very well, is an elite rebounder at his size, and has very good quickness for a player his height. if he shoots like he did at the end of the year, he's a shoe-in. paul just needs consistency. he has good athleticism, is extremely long, defends well and even defends the post well, and scores from every level. if he produces consistently teams will want him

the naji before the ankle injury that shut down alpha diallo, ty-shon alexander, myles powell, shamorie ponds, and phil booth and scored 14, 23, 28, 31, and 17 is going to get drafted. he was arguably the best player in the big east the second half of the season.

Agreed. If Naji gets just a little better defensively he can be an elite nba defender which is highly valued. Given he’s not going to be an amazing shooter I can see him being a rotation guy at the nba level who is a high level defender and can get to the basket. Honestly I think his biggest thing next year will be putting better body language and leadership ability on tape as well as showing he can shoot just a little better.

He has some god awful tape from the first half of this past season in terms of body language. That flies if you’re draymond green but if you’re the 9th guy in the rotation ain’t gonna work.

[scoscox]

the real question is what will you do with your username now that mick is outta here?

[XUGRAD80]

Dallo has committed to OSU... I believe that is their last open scholly

[scoscox]

Not sure.

good call. really bizarre why they'd float that and shoot it down within 24 hours

https://twitter.com/dwonodom1/status/1117602151596023809

[Xville]

good call. really bizarre why they'd float that and shoot it down within 24 hours

https://twitter.com/dwonodom1/status/1117602151596023809

Well, maybe we are getting moore

[LOLmickcronin]

the real question is what will you do with your username now that mick is outta here?

Keep it. I can still lol at him I just have to stay up a little later to catch the pac-12 night games.

[D-West & PO-Z]

good call. really bizarre why they'd float that and shoot it down within 24 hours

https://twitter.com/dwonodom1/status/1117602151596023809

Yeah weird indeed.....what I was hearing was that it was def a no way and that despite what he said he would not be able to graduate this year.

[Backyard Champ]

if naji plays the entire year like he did down the stretch, he'll get drafted. he has length and can defend 1-4 very well, is an elite rebounder at his size, and has very good quickness for a player his height. if he shoots like he did at the end of the year, he's a shoe-in. paul just needs consistency. he has good athleticism, is extremely long, defends well and even defends the post well, and scores from every level. if he produces consistently teams will want him

the naji before the ankle injury that shut down alpha diallo, ty-shon alexander, myles powell, shamorie ponds, and phil booth and scored 14, 23, 28, 31, and 17 is going to get drafted. he was arguably the best player in the big east the second half of the season.

I disagree. I think he's a very talented player, but I don't think he's quick enough to play in the NBA. I don't think he handles the ball that well, or rather, as well as he'd need to in the NBA.

He will make money playing basketball, but he will need to get better handles and get quicker if he wants to play in the NBA.

[Joel]

JP is currently a fringe NBA player, and Naji just got done with a season 20 points of ORtg less efficient than JP's senior year. Naji probably either needs to get much better at either shooting or distribution or not insignificantly better as an all-around player to put himself in position to get drafted. I don't think that's out of reach for him, but if I had to bet now, I'd lay that he doesn't get drafted after his junior year.

[XUGRAD80]

Well, maybe we are getting moore

Roderick is more likely

[xukeith]

if naji plays the entire year like he did down the stretch, he'll get drafted. he has length and can defend 1-4 very well, is an elite rebounder at his size, and has very good quickness for a player his height. if he shoots like he did at the end of the year, he's a shoe-in. paul just needs consistency. he has good athleticism, is extremely long, defends well and even defends the post well, and scores from every level. if he produces consistently teams will want him

the naji before the ankle injury that shut down alpha diallo, ty-shon alexander, myles powell, shamorie ponds, and phil booth and scored 14, 23, 28, 31, and 17 is going to get drafted. he was arguably the best player in the big east the second half of the season.

NBA is the BEST of the BEST. If he wants to go, he must be a freak athlete and elite shooter.
He is a good European player now.

Bluiett was an awesome shooter but slow footed. We shall see. Look at Myles Powell and Markus Howard. They were awesome guards but decided college was best for them this year.

[XUGRAD80]

Kennedy transferring to TCU.

[D-West & PO-Z]

NBA is the BEST of the BEST. If he wants to go, he must be a freak athlete and elite shooter.
He is a good European player now.

Bluiett was an awesome shooter but slow footed. We shall see. Look at Myles Powell and Markus Howard. They were awesome guards but decided college was best for them this year.

Has Powell withdrawn for draft? I know most think he is coming back but I thought he was testing the waters.

[xufan2020]

Where did I say it's a foregone conclusion they get drafted? I said even if they weren't projected to be drafted, I think they would still go the Europe or g league route.

They are older in their class, they have the measurables physically and they are testing the process to see where they are this year. They cant do that again next year without being gone..there are signs to them leaving. Not saying it's going to happen 100% but signs are pointing that direction.
When you say “even if for some reason they aren’t projected to be drafted..” it does seem like you think both will be projected to be drafted.
Anyway yes I’m aware they both have measurables physically to play in the nba. I’m just not certain both will close the rather significant weaknesses in their games in just one offseason. I lean more towards Naji leaving next year more than Scruggs, but like I said I hope I’m proven wrong and Xavier has a historic season.

[bleedXblue]

You said “even if for some reason they aren’t projected to be drafted..”
Anyway yes I’m aware they both have measurables physically to play in the nba. I’m just not certain both will close the rather significant weaknesses in their games in just one offseason. I lean more towards Naji leaving next year more than Scruggs, but like I said I hope I’m proven wrong and Xavier has a historic season.

I don't see either being NBA players. Europe yes for sure......and you can make a lot of money over there......just ask Romain, Justin and a lot of others.

Naji could get better and he has the physical tools......but his shooting and mid range game have to get better.

[xavierj]

I don't see either being NBA players. Europe yes for sure......and you can make a lot of money over there......just ask Romain, Justin and a lot of others.

Naji could get better and he has the physical tools......but his shooting and mid range game have to get better.

Naji’s freshman shooting percentages were really strong. Repeat that along with his defense and Xavier will be really good and he will make a lot of money.

[scoscox]

I disagree. I think he's a very talented player, but I don't think he's quick enough to play in the NBA. I don't think he handles the ball that well, or rather, as well as he'd need to in the NBA.

He will make money playing basketball, but he will need to get better handles and get quicker if he wants to play in the NBA.

Agree about his dribbling although I think it’s more about ball security in general. He has to protect the ball better. As far as quickness, he’s plenty quick enough. He has guarded shamorie ponds, Myles Powell and Markus howard and done a good job on all of them. For 6’7” he’s very quick

[scoscox]

JP is currently a fringe NBA player, and Naji just got done with a season 20 points of ORtg less efficient than JP's senior year. Naji probably either needs to get much better at either shooting or distribution or not insignificantly better as an all-around player to put himself in position to get drafted. I don't think that's out of reach for him, but if I had to bet now, I'd lay that he doesn't get drafted after his junior year.


Not a good comparison. For one, najis offensive rating fell 20 points from his freshman to sophomore year. Why? We had a new head coach and lost enough players where he went from the 7th option on a great team to the primary focus of the offense. JP was never the #1 option at any point in his career and never lost his coach. It took naji awhile but second half of the big east season naji had excellent offensive ratings. As far as defense it’s not even a comparison. Naji is by far a superior defender

[JTG]

I'll take JP shooting a last second 3 over Naji any day.

[scoscox]

I'll take JP shooting a last second 3 over Naji any day.

doesnt change my point at all

[XUGRAD80]

Harold Beverly has committed to the U of Miami

[XUGRAD80]

Ben Roderick has committed to Ohio University

[scoscox]

Harold Beverly has committed to the U of Miami

Lol he just had like 7 crystal balls to Georgia this weekend

[noteggs]

Ben Roderick has committed to Ohio University

Wow that’s interesting. Guess he got tired waiting for X and OSU to offer.

[Xuperman]

Ben Roderick has committed to Ohio University

I think missed opportunity here, especially since adding a versatile wing is a priority. This kid looks to have a similar skill set as Naji. I would love to know what Travis saw that made him not offer....possibly defense? OR is X at the point where 3 stars (220 nationally) no longer make the grade. I hope not because I prefer they get back to developing seniors as apposed to adding mid major/grad transfers as often as we have recently. I'm thinking Roderick will be an impact freshman in the MAC and star for them as an upperclassman.

[xavierj]

I think missed opportunity here, especially since adding a versatile wing is a priority. This kid looks to have a similar skill set as Naji. I would love to know what Travis saw that made him not offer....possibly defense? OR is X at the point where 3 stars (220 nationally) no longer make the grade. I hope not because I prefer they get back to developing seniors as apposed to adding mid major/grad transfers as often as we have recently. I'm thinking Roderick will be an impact freshman in the MAC and star for them as an upperclassman.

Fremantle, Ramsey and Miles are only 3 stars. Steele saw him a couple of times and for his reasons I guess didn’t offer him. Maybe he has sights set on the 2020 class for what he feels he needs.

[xukeith]

Fremantle, Ramsey and Miles are only 3 stars. Steele saw him a couple of times and for his reasons I guess didn’t offer him. Maybe he has sights set on the 2020 class for what he feels he needs.

Remember Texas Tech has mostly 2 and 3 stars on their recent team. I hope X can get hustle fighting guys who love defense and 2-3 guys who are off the charts shooters. Wishing...maybe in 2-3 years.

[Xuperman]

Remember Texas Tech has mostly 2 and 3 stars on their recent team. I hope X can get hustle fighting guys who love defense and 2-3 guys who are off the charts shooters. Wishing...maybe in 2-3 years.

Both Freemantle and Ramsey garnered 4 stars on some sites and just about everyone has them in the top 150. Both of them will come in as hard nose fighters with excellent defensive reputations along with Miles’ potential in the paint. As far as elite shooters go, we appear to have 2 of those as well so no need to wait longer than this fall.

You know the practices are going to be crazy competitive......My wish is to see our Fab 5 vs the Core 4 + Carter in the Madness scrimmage....WOW!!

[xufan2020]

Remember Texas Tech has mostly 2 and 3 stars on their recent team. I hope X can get hustle fighting guys who love defense and 2-3 guys who are off the charts shooters. Wishing...maybe in 2-3 years.
I’ve seen you constantly say Xavier is 2-3 years away from being at its best under Steele. Naji and Scruggs won’t be around then and they’re the type of high level recruiting talent you need to make a final four. Do you expect Steele to just start nailing top 30-50 (like Naji and Scruggs) talent much more consistently than Mack? I just don’t understand how you think the talent level isn’t enough for this coming season and the following.

[sirthought]

I wonder if Roderick might have been viewed as just a bit undersized and less athletic than Steele wants in his wings. He's a good fit for OU! I hope he does well there. Coach Boals will hopefully elevate that program.

[XUGRAD80]

There are still a few kids that would be freshman that X is still recruiting, and I’ve read there name associated with quite a few transfers....so I don’t think that they are done yet. But it would t surprise me if they kept one scholarship open and used it for the 2020 class.

[scoscox]

Looks like we may be getting the Korean kid. he could fill the elias king void in the 2019 class

[Xuperman]

Looks like we may be getting the Korean kid

What’s the scoop?

[xukeith]

Both Freemantle and Ramsey garnered 4 stars on some sites and just about everyone has them in the top 150. Both of them will come in as hard nose fighters with excellent defensive reputations along with Miles’ potential in the paint. As far as elite shooters go, we appear to have 2 of those as well so no need to wait longer than this fall.

You know the practices are going to be crazy competitive......My wish is to see our Fab 5 vs the Core 4 + Carter in the Madness scrimmage....WOW!!

Who are the 2 "elite" shooters?

[xukeith]

What’s the scoop?

I hope that is true!

[Xuperman]

Who are the 2 "elite" shooters?

Well they were in HS and by watching any game footage of either guy, both have outstanding form on there jumpers both inside and outside of the arc. Plus Tandy is near automatic from the line.....and we all know how important that is, right?

[scoscox]

Who are the 2 "elite" shooters?

kyky is really good, probably not far off from elite, but, from everything i've heard, bishop is solid, not elite, from out there

[Xuperman]

kyky is really good, probably not far off from elite, but, from everything i've heard, bishop is solid, not elite, from out there

Take a few minutes and watch some YouTube highlights. It appears he scores most of his points from distance. Shoots a real pretty ball with confidence and a nice high release. He’s real good.

[scoscox]

What’s the scoop?

nevermind... snow is predicting him to davidson

[scoscox]

Take a few minutes and watch some YouTube highlights. It appears he scores most of his points from distance. Shoots a real pretty ball with confidence and a nice high release. He’s real good.

yea i've seen them. he looks like a good shooter. by most accounts he's about a little over a 35% 3 point shooter, which is solid, but not great. kyky on the other hand reportedly shot 48% during his high school season, which is elite.

[Xuperman]

nevermind... snow is predicting him to davidson

For me, that is a HUGE relief. Why take a flyer on an international kid from South Korea? I mean have they ever produced anyone noteworthy? I can’t think of one.

[Xuperman]

yea i've seen them. he looks like a good shooter. by most accounts he's about a little over a 35% 3 point shooter, which is solid, but not great. kyky on the other hand reportedly shot 48% during his high school season, which is elite.

From what I can tell he shoots it north of 40%. Now granted, real stats or box scores on him must be out there but I can’t find them. From the mini videos on MaxPreps, he seems to make 3/4 of them often. BUT, I don’t think he was a “volume” shooter for them because the Maryland commit was their go to guy and they had a few more scorers.

[scoscox]

From what I can tell he shoots it north of 40%. Now granted, real stats or box scores on him must be out there but I can’t find them. From the mini videos on MaxPreps, he seems to make 3/4 of them often. BUT, I don’t think he was a “volume” shooter for them because the Maryland commit was their go to guy and they had a few more scorers.

i'm just going off of what rick said when he committed

[D-West & PO-Z]

Plus Tandy is near automatic from the line....

Must be a great leader.

[noteggs]

Must be a great leader.

Lol!! Here we go again

[GIMMFD]

Must be a great leader.

And jumps off one foot, definitely athletic enough for the Big East unlike Trevon.

[xudash]

And jumps off one foot, definitely athletic enough for the Big East unlike Trevon.

Maybe I should be embarrassed for asking, but please provide the backstory again on the whole "jumps off one foot" thingy. Thanks. I kind of recall Romaine Sato being involved with it, but that's about it.

[XUBison]

Maybe I should be embarrassed for asking, but please provide the backstory again on the whole "jumps off one foot" thingy. Thanks. I kind of recall Romaine Sato being involved with it, but that's about it.

#MeToo

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Bryce Moore commits to X. Acquisition Szn.

6'2, 39% from three on 5 attempts per game. Nasty defender. Smaller Remy Abell to fit on this team. Doesn't need a ton of touches or dribbling to get his going.

[X-Men55]

Jeff Goodman ranked the top 100 college transfers and had Carter @ #13 & Moore @ 47.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1120661348453580800

[GIMMFD]

Maybe I should be embarrassed for asking, but please provide the backstory again on the whole "jumps off one foot" thingy. Thanks. I kind of recall Romaine Sato being involved with it, but that's about it.

To be 100% honest, I don't know the full story in detail, but I believe (and the older guys can correct me) someone back in the day on the board criticized Sato for jumping off 2 feet, essentially saying that Xavier wasn't athletic enough because of stuff like this, and that Sato wasn't that good because he had bi-pedal jumping, etc.

Where I joined the board late, I only heard that little piece of the story and then saw the jumping off one foot joke recycled time and time again, so even though I don't know the whole story, I use it to fit in with you guys and be cool...

[GoMuskies]

Let's all go to Fuddruckers some day, and I'll tell you all the story.

[scoscox]

Romain Sato, noted sub-par athlete and leaper

[xu82]

Let's all go to Fuddruckers some day, and I'll tell you all the story.

GIMMFD just called you an old guy! Just sayin’......

[muskiefan82]

Let's all go to Fuddruckers some day, and I'll tell you all the story.

We'd have to do it before a game at DePaul. I think Chicago might be the closest one....

[noteggs]

GIMMFD just called you an old guy! Just sayin’......

Think I caught a subliminal “old fart” in there somewhere.

BTW: fuddruckers good concept terrible burgers.

[bjf123]

BTW: fuddruckers good concept terrible burgers.

But a great grilled chicken sandwich!


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[usfldan]

Tandy and Miles will be teaming up in another all-star game:

Four Northern Kentucky players named to face Indiana in prestigious all-star game (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/2019/04/22/jolly-miles-lead-kentucky-all-star-selections/3537139002/)

[Muskie]

I'm seriously considering going to the game in Indy.

[xu82]

Think I caught a subliminal “old fart” in there somewhere.

BTW: fuddruckers good concept terrible burgers.

I sensed the fart, but was being polite. We know Go is sensitive. :-)

As for burgers, it’s all in the execution! Concepts are overrated.

[letskeepitreal]

Man Tandy looked really small standing beside Miles.

[XUGRAD80]

Man Tandy looked really small standing beside Miles.


Or Miles really looked tall standing next to KyKy.....

[GIMMFD]

Let's all go to Fuddruckers some day, and I'll tell you all the story.


GIMMFD just called you an old guy! Just sayin’......


Think I caught a subliminal “old fart” in there somewhere.

BTW: fuddruckers good concept terrible burgers.

Unbelievable the attack and defamation of my character, I'd love to go to Fuddrucker's with ANY of you guys and shoot the shit and hear the cool experiences, and stories you guys have. Sheesh, I'm 25 not 15!!

[GIMMFD]

Also sorry to double-post, but Seventh Woods, guard from North Carolina is transferring, I remember him being an internet sensation, think there's any interest mutually between us and him?? He was a Top 50 prospect I believe.

[xu82]

Unbelievable the attack and defamation of my character, I'd love to go to Fuddrucker's with ANY of you guys and shoot the shit and hear the cool experiences, and stories you guys have. Sheesh, I'm 25 not 15!!

A decade to us is like a sneeze....it goes quickly. :-)

But I’d love to meet you at a Fuddrucker’s, and then we could then go somewhere good to eat!

.

[noteggs]

Unbelievable the attack and defamation of my character, I'd love to go to Fuddrucker's with ANY of you guys and shoot the shit and hear the cool experiences, and stories you guys have. Sheesh, I'm 25 not 15!!

Thank goodness you’re you’re not 15 because your sports knowledge would be scary! Since there are no Fuddruckers in WV, I’ll settle for a cold one at Dana’s. Warning, my stories get better with age so be prepared.

[xu82]

Thank goodness you’re you’re not 15 because your sports knowledge would be scary! Since there are no Fuddruckers in WV, I’ll settle for a cold one at Dana’s. Warning, my stories get better with age so be prepared.

I want in!!!My stories are, questionable.....even I wonder if that shit really happened the way I remember it.


I should probably get a background check done on myself, but I never plan on trying to do anything important again. (Misleading, to make you think I ever DID do anything important.....I’m crafty that way!)

[xufan02]

Also sorry to double-post, but Seventh Woods, guard from North Carolina is transferring, I remember him being an internet sensation, think there's any interest mutually between us and him?? He was a Top 50 prospect I believe.

I do not see Xavier getting involved here. He is a sit one year to play one year and is not a position of need. Xavier is looking for big shooting wings and combo forwards in the 2020 class and any potential sit out transfer.

[Xuperman]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UHhTTh7i5kU

Zach Freemantle and the National All Stars take it on the chin against the DC area Capital All Stars in the Capital Classic last night. Game had a distinct Big East flavor with 5 guys competing. Nova signee Justin Moore and newly committed Qudas Wahab of Georgetown massively impressive in the blowout. Lots of ZFree also. He shows off his versatility but you will notice some unusual body language. Backed off of contact on several occasions and didn’t seem to want to run the floor at full bore.....but hey, it’s an All Star game. We will see a far more passionate player in the fall.

[xukeith]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UHhTTh7i5kU

Zach Freemantle and the National All Stars take it on the chin against the DC area Capital All Stars in the Capital Classic last night. Game had a distinct Big East flavor with 5 guys competing. Nova signee Justin Moore and newly committed Qudas Wahab of Georgetown massively impressive in the blowout. Lots of ZFree also. He shows off his versatility but you will notice some unusual body language. Backed off of contact on several occasions and didn’t seem to want to run the floor at full bore.....but hey, it’s an All Star game. We will see a far more passionate player in the fall.

Yikes. They got whipped. Well Syracuse's star NY recruit looked good. Hoyas are doing well with that big center.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Freemantle definitely moves like a 5.

[GIMMFD]

Thank goodness you’re you’re not 15 because your sports knowledge would be scary! Since there are no Fuddruckers in WV, I’ll settle for a cold one at Dana’s. Warning, my stories get better with age so be prepared.



I want in!!!My stories are, questionable.....even I wonder if that shit really happened the way I remember it.


I should probably get a background check done on myself, but I never plan on trying to do anything important again. (Misleading, to make you think I ever DID do anything important.....I’m crafty that way!)

I'm sure the stories would get even better after a few cold ones at Dana's, so consider me in boys, just gotta let me know when and hopefully I'm close enough stateside!!


Freemantle definitely moves like a 5.

Definitely not the most mobile, but I do like the mean streak he adds, I'm sure a conditioning program will do wonders to help, but I don't think anybody in this class is completely polished and all of them have some stuff to work on.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Definitely not the most mobile, but I do like the mean streak he adds, I'm sure a conditioning program will do wonders to help, but I don't think anybody in this class is completely polished and all of them have some stuff to work on.

Oh I am a big believer in ZFree, and obviously that was just an all-star game. He's got a lot of really good tape out there. Like you said, nasty streak, and pretty decently skilled. I'm just firmly in the camp that he will get a great majority (75%+) of his minutes at the 5, not the 4. He is a post player with at least a little bit of range out to three, but he's just not a 4 naturally. If X thought he was, I don't think they would be going after Ben Carlson as hard as they have.

[GIMMFD]

Oh I am a big believer in ZFree, and obviously that was just an all-star game. He's got a lot of really good tape out there. Like you said, nasty streak, and pretty decently skilled. I'm just firmly in the camp that he will get a great majority (75%+) of his minutes at the 5, not the 4. He is a post player with at least a little bit of range out to three, but he's just not a 4 naturally. If X thought he was, I don't think they would be going after Ben Carlson as hard as they have.

Ahh okay gotcha, yeah I definitely echo those thoughts, but I think he can be a very productive 5, even if he can spell Jones for a little bit next year, it'll be a massive help. I'm interested to see how all of the new pieces are going to fit into the roster, and who's going to be in the rotation, but lord knows we need him to be able to contribute in a back up role just because our front court depth is a point of question.

[Xuperman]

Yikes. They got whipped. Well Syracuse's star NY recruit looked good. Hoyas are doing well with that big center.

Yeah, it looks like GU struck gold with this guy. How the hell is he only a 3 star? Looked like a man among boys scoring 20 pts to go with a ridiculous 19 boards.

[Xuperman]

I read that X has offered former Trinity HS and current John Logan JC star Jayden Scrubb. Scored 19 ppg with an impressive 46% from distance. When was the last time we signed a Junior College guy?

[xufan02]

I read that X has offered former Trinity HS and current John Logan JC star Jayden Scrubb. Scored 19 ppg with an impressive 46% from distance. When was the last time we signed a Junior College guy?

Charles Bronson I believe was the last juco we brought in. He played in 16 games for Xavier in 2008.

[Xuperman]

Charles Bronson I believe was the last juco we brought in. He played in 16 games for Xavier in 2008.

Was that Mack's 1st year? Signing juco guys seems to be a rarity in the P6 other than the SEC.....academics are probably a big reason why.

[Lloyd Braun]

Anthony Myles was quite the JUCO pickup...

[blueblood]

Charles Bronson I believe was the last juco we brought in. He played in 16 games for Xavier in 2008.

I think Chris Cantino was a JUCO transfer (2012-13), but I don't remember him seeing action though.

[GIMMFD]

I think Chris Cantino was a JUCO transfer (2012-13), but I don't remember him seeing action though.

Nope, I think it was something to do with him playing in a showcase while he was 21 years old or something like that, and he redshirted, and then ended up transferring out after.

[JTG]

Chris Cantino and Charles Bronson, that's some obscure Xavier minutiae.

[muethibp]

Samari Curtis reopened his commitment per the Enquirer.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Adidas-Gauntlet-Jalen-Bridges-Keeshawn-Barthelemy-Elijah-Fisher-131660092/

[Xville]

Samari Curtis reopened his commitment per the Enquirer.

So...is he now going to end up at Dayton? Going from xavier to UC to dayton....yikes...maybe should have stuck with your first instinct samari

[noteggs]

Good call! Unfortunately cheating rumors (or facts) don’t effect a program as much as coaching changes as witnessed with Samari.

[Lloyd Braun]

So...is he now going to end up at Dayton? Going from xavier to UC to dayton....yikes...maybe should have stuck with your first instinct samari

I saw VT offered him as soon as he decommitted.

[Xville]

I saw VT offered him as soon as he decommitted.

Ah gotcha...well...then nevermind :)

[JTG]

So, does Steele get involved, or has that ship sailed ?

[bobbiemcgee]

I saw VT offered him as soon as he decommitted.

I think one of the UC assts. ended up @ VT. Maybe he'll follow the 'gnome to UCLA.

[XUGRAD80]

...and he had said that he was committed to the SCHOOL and not the coach....yeah, sure.

[Juice]

So, does Steele get involved, or has that ship sailed ?

99% sure it has sailed

[outsideobserver11]

His main recruiter at UC was Antwon Jackson who is now at Virginia Tech. Seems pretty likely he will end up there. Interesting decision, not the leaving UC part but more opting for Virginia Tech instead which was just decimated worse that anyone else.

[klark]

His main recruiter at UC was Antwon Jackson who is now at Virginia Tech. Seems pretty likely he will end up there. Interesting decision, not the leaving UC part but more opting for Virginia Tech instead which was just decimated worse that anyone else.

It could be because he has a better chance of playing right away, despite what he says when he committed to UC.

[Juice]

It could be because he has a better chance of playing right away, despite what he says when he committed to UC.

And play in the ACC

[throwbackmuskie]

#21 in the final 247 poll. Miles jumped 121 spots to 134 and Tandy jumped 48 spots to 76.

Freemantle- 98
Bishop- 107
Ramsey- 157

[noteggs]

Pretty damn impressive for Steele’ first recruiting class.

Wow with Miles!

[xukeith]

#21 in the final 247 poll. Miles jumped 121 spots to 134 and Tandy jumped 48 spots to 76.

Freemantle- 98
Bishop- 107
Ramsey- 157

I guess you have some membership as Tandy is 85 on public 247 site. Miles is 181. But both rising.


..............wait. now I see closer when you click on each player's profile, you get 2 national rankings.
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/

[scoscox]

yea there's the composite ranking and the 247 ranking. all of our guys are higher on the 247 ranking than the composite which combines the 247 with rivals and espn's rank

[sirthought]

Freemantle from 106 to 98. Bishop from 111 to 107. Daniel Ramsey from 144 to 157.

[xukeith]

See the top fifty 247 team recruiting rankings.
I think BE goes in order; VU, XU, DP, GU, SH, CR in top 50.

[scoscox]

rivals rankings are updated tomorrow, so that may affect our rankings

[xukeith]

I used to believe in jinxes but not any longer.
I was contemplated this 2019 recruiting class and thought of Skip Prosser's first class entering the A10in 1994(?).
Lenny Brown, Gary Lumpkin, Posey, Braggs, ....

I hope this class catapults X to Gonzaga like company.
It is a different age as more of X signees will not stay longer than 1-2 years but if they bring a National Championship, I will be happy. (oh then come back and graduate)

[Juice]

Pretty damn impressive for Steele’ first recruiting class.

Wow with Miles!

And he's got Odom more or less locked up for next year

[xudash]

I used to believe in jinxes but not any longer.
I was contemplated this 2019 recruiting class and thought of Skip Prosser's first class entering the A10in 1994(?).
Lenny Brown, Gary Lumpkin, Posey, Braggs, ....

I hope this class catapults X to Villanova like company.
It is a different age as more of X signees will not stay longer than 1-2 years but if they bring a National Championship, I will be happy. (oh then come back and graduate)

Fixed it for you.

I know they beat us to the F4, but I don't see the Zags as being ahead of X's program. BE program versus the king of the WCC? Sorry.

Gonzaga has become a national power and they deserve their strong rep, but our target is Nova, in more ways than you might imagine.

[GoMuskies]

Gonzaga is well ahead of us, but absolutely we should focus on Nova, because Nova is well ahead of the Zags.

[GIMMFD]

Personally I like 247's rankings (at least for football) because ESPN has complete crap rankings, and I'm meh about Rivals, this is a really solid class that Steele has put together and although you never really know until it's all said and done this class on paper is definitely something to be happy about. Really surprised at Miles jump in the rankings, he may end up being a sleeper as a really solid recruit due to his size, and raw potential.

[xu82]

And he's got Odom more or less locked up for next year

Hopefully MORE than.....less.

[Xuperman]

https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2019

The final Rivals 150 is official and they rate Xavier’s top recruit #92 and it’s not Tandy. No others in the top 100....Miles not ranked.

[GoMuskies]

If Bishop turns out to be better than Tandy, I'm pretty sure that means we're going to be VERY happy with this class!

[paulxu]

Return to post season success will help us get even better recruits.

[bleedXblue]

Tandy is going to impress from day one and get serious playing time. Bishop looks a bit more raw. Rankings are just that.....a crap shoot most of the time.

[Xuperman]

#21 in the final 247 poll. Miles jumped 121 spots to 134 and Tandy jumped 48 spots to 76.

Freemantle- 98
Bishop- 107
Ramsey- 157

247 certainly likes our guys much better than Rivals. Huge swings in the numbers. IMO Rivals doesn’t hold much credibility concerning our recruits if they have Ramsey 20 spots higher than Freemantle...we shall see.

[throwbackmuskie]

Not a fan of rivals ratings for football or hoops.

[IM4X]

Fixed it for you.

I know they beat us to the F4, but I don't see the Zags as being ahead of X's program. BE program versus the king of the WCC? Sorry.

Gonzaga has become a national power and they deserve their strong rep, but our target is Nova, in more ways than you might imagine.

This is how I feel.

We are closer to the Zags in many ways, bit reaching Nova level success should be the focus. Though both those teams are ahead of X in the sense that they have coaches who likely have their destination job. Let’s hope Steele can reach their level of consistent success and he too decides he has arrived at his destination job

[xavierj]

https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2019

The final Rivals 150 is official and they rate Xavier’s top recruit #92 and it’s not Tandy. No others in the top 100....Miles not ranked.

I didn’t know rivals still had a site. Regardless the only people evaluating are recruits that matter, are the coaches. Out of all the recruits I do think Tandy will be a stud, he has a chip on his shoulder, and Bishop could be really good and Miles probably is a few years away, but due to his length and athleticism has a really high ceiling but you never know if he will be able to put it all together. Hopefully three out of the 5 will be really good and maybe someone will be better than expected.

[bleedXblue]

I didn’t know rivals still had a site. Regardless the only people evaluating are recruits that matter, are the coaches. Out of all the recruits I do think Tandy will be a stud, he has a chip on his shoulder, and Bishop could be really good and Miles probably is a few years away, but due to his length and athleticism has a really high ceiling but you never know if he will be able to put it all together. Hopefully three out of the 5 will be really good and maybe someone will be better than expected.

I have no doubt that Freemantle is going to be a very nice piece of the puzzle. I don't see a star in him, but very solid and reliable......

[Xavier]

This is how I feel.

We are closer to the Zags in many ways, bit reaching Nova level success should be the focus. Though both those teams are ahead of X in the sense that they have coaches who likely have their destination job. Let’s hope Steele can reach their level of consistent success and he too decides he has arrived at his destination job

I think both are ahead in more ways than that. If Steele were to get Xavier in Gonzagas position he would easily be the best coach Xavier has ever had.I would kill to be where Gonzaga is at over the last 5 years.

[bleedXblue]

I think both are ahead in more ways than that. If Steele were to get Xavier in Gonzagas position he would easily be the best coach Xavier has ever had.I would kill to be where Gonzaga is at over the last 5 years.

Agreed. Both Zags and Nova at a whole other level.........

Both "brands" are much stronger nationally too

[noteggs]

Just heard Odom won state championship in the triple jump. Not to mention his personal best in high jump was 6’8” this year. Man that guy is a stud athlete!

[throwbackmuskie]

Any more info on the JUCO player? Paul maybe out, so hoping we are still on him.

[GoMuskies]

Any more info on the JUCO player? Paul maybe out, so hoping we are still on him.

Are you talking about Scrubb? He's visiting Louisville next week. Can't imagine he'd turn down Louisville if he gets an offer.

[noteggs]

Thought Scrubb will be part of “a” 2020 class

[GoMuskies]

Yes, Scrubb is 2020.

[throwbackmuskie]

For some reason I thought he was 19. I wonder if we are still looking, I think Paul comes back, but he is getting a long look right now.

[scoscox]

Scrubb is 2019 I’m pretty sure

[GoMuskies]

Scrubb is 2019 I’m pretty sure

Definitely 2020. https://247sports.com/college/louisville/Article/Ex-Trinity-star-Jay-Scrubb-to-visit-with-Louisville-basketball-next-week-131918340/

[IM4X]

I think both are ahead in more ways than that. If Steele were to get Xavier in Gonzagas position he would easily be the best coach Xavier has ever had.I would kill to be where Gonzaga is at over the last 5 years.

Fair enough. Though I see a smaller gap between X and Gonzaga than I do X and Nova.

No question Gonzaga has an elite level coach (like Nova). The difference is that Gonzaga still has not made it to the top of the mountain yet.
Nova has several national championships.

If X somehow were to win a national championship or get to the championship game this year, the small gap between our two programs would no longer exist. Yet, there still would be much more X would have to do to close the gap left between them and Nova.

Butler has gotten closer to the top of the mountain more times than the Zags have (2 Nat. Championship games vs 1), yet nobody believes Butler is at a higher level than X. Why is that?

For starters, X has beaten Butler during the regular season. Second, X has been doing better than Butler in the tournament over the past 5 years. Next, Butler is not recruiting at a higher level than X. Finally, Butler’s coaches (since Stevens) have not looked better than their counterparts at at X that they’ve coached against.

[xudash]

I think both are ahead in more ways than that. If Steele were to get Xavier in Gonzagas position he would easily be the best coach Xavier has ever had.I would kill to be where Gonzaga is at over the last 5 years.

I'm not arguing with you, but in what way or other ways is Gonzaga ahead of Xavier?

We are in a better conference.

We have better facilities.

We have been better longer overall.

I will give them the edge, given that they made the F4 (going through us to get there). But the standing of a program is bigger than just tournament performance. Butler was mentioned in this context. Butler was nothing more than a little engine that could and happened to do it twice in a row. It was viewed as a Cinderella, not some kind of powerhouse.

Coaching tenure? Few is an absolute anomaly.

Please allow me to offer and abstract question, as I am curious as to how people form opinions on different topics: which school has the bigger brand in basketball - Georgetown or Gonzaga?

[GoMuskies]

Gonzaga

[bobbiemcgee]

Zags

[scoscox]

I'm not arguing with you, but in what way or other ways is Gonzaga ahead of Xavier?

We are in a better conference.

We have better facilities.

We have been better longer overall.

I will give them the edge, given that they made the F4 (going through us to get there). But the standing of a program is bigger than just tournament performance. Butler was mentioned in this context. Butler was nothing more than a little engine that could and happened to do it twice in a row. It was viewed as a Cinderella, not some kind of powerhouse.

Coaching tenure? Few is an absolute anomaly.

Please allow me to offer and abstract question, as I am curious as to how people form opinions on different topics: which school has the bigger brand in basketball - Georgetown or Gonzaga?

Gonzaga, but this can change at the drop of a hat. Georgetown being in Washington DC gives them the potential to explode with even a little success, much like st. john's.

[Xville]

22 straight ncaa tournaments
Multiple 1 seeds, 2 seeds, 3 seeds
Final four, multiple elite eights
Multiple regular season and conference tourney championships (even if it is wcc)
Multiple national games against top ten teams in non con which builds the brand.

This is all why zags are above x in my opinion. Plus, they routinely kick x's ass every time they play.

[xu82]

Just heard Odom won state championship in the triple jump. Not to mention his personal best in high jump was 6’8” this year. Man that guy is a stud athlete!

In 5th grade, I won the much coveted award for longest triple jump. Decades later, I found myself back in the school and found a board indicating I was still the standing triple jump champion! I suspect they either stopped doing the triple jump, or I pulled off the rare quadruple jump!


A strange dream after eating burritos right before bed is another possibility.


.

[bobbiemcgee]

A strange dream after eating burritos right before bed is another possibility.


That would cause nocturnal levitations.

[XUGRAD80]

It would be my guess that the casual college BB fan would recognize the name Gonzaga, or Zags, before they would recognize the name Xavier. Therefore, I would also put Zaga ahead of Xavier for that reason alone, although there are other reasons as well.

[scoscox]

as soon as travis takes us to the promised land this year, this will all change

it'll be interesting to see how gonzaga handles mark few's retirement when it happens. the same goes for duke and syracuse.

[GoMuskies]

Gonzaga is certainly more UConn than Kentucky. Their high perch in the college basketball world is relatively tenuous. One bad coach, and they can be back down among the mortals very quickly.

[Xuperman]

I’ve seen you constantly say Xavier is 2-3 years away from being at its best under Steele. Naji and Scruggs won’t be around then and they’re the type of high level recruiting talent you need to make a final four. Do you expect Steele to just start nailing top 30-50 (like Naji and Scruggs) talent much more consistently than Mack? I just don’t understand how you think the talent level isn’t enough for this coming season and the following.

It just occurred to me that this is the most important recruiting class in the Staak to Steele era IF Naj and Paul are gone after this year. That seems to be the consensus here anyway. If true, we lose 80-85% of our scoring/rebounding and the experience that goes with it. We are left with Carter as the lone SR and James the lone JR. Of course there will be the inevitable patchwork of transfers. One and done guys....Not the good kind. So here’s to our fab 5 hitting the ground running this year. We need at least 3 of them to show All BEast potential.

[xukeith]

It just occurred to me that this is the most important recruiting class in the Staak to Steele era IF Naj and Paul are gone after this year. That seems to be the consensus here anyway. If true, we lose 80-85% of our scoring/rebounding and the experience that goes with it. We are left with Carter as the lone SR and James the lone JR. Of course there will be the inevitable patchwork of transfers. One and done guys....Not the good kind. So here’s to our fab 5 hitting the ground running this year. We need at least 3 of them to show All BEast potential.

I think it is illogical and unfair to expect 3 frosh to make All rookie BE. Not enough points to spread around and learning curve will be steep. Like Scruggs and Marshall, one will get significant playing time and average 7-9 ppg.

I hope I am wrong and 2-3 rake in gigantic stats. I'm trying to be realistic.

[Xuperman]

I think it is illogical and unfair to expect 3 frosh to make All rookie BE. Not enough points to spread around and learning curve will be steep. Like Scruggs and Marshall, one will get significant playing time and average 7-9 ppg.

I hope I am wrong and 2-3 rake in gigantic stats. I'm trying to be realistic.

Only to show POTENTIAL for All BE down the line. All “Rookie” is a nice start but 1st/2nd team is the desired outcome. Otherwise, where are the necessary horses to compete in a very strong BE going to come from? We have very little room for error on this crucial class of recruits.

[scoscox]

It just occurred to me that this is the most important recruiting class in the Staak to Steele era IF Naj and Paul are gone after this year. That seems to be the consensus here anyway. If true, we lose 80-85% of our scoring/rebounding and the experience that goes with it. We are left with Carter as the lone SR and James the lone JR. Of course there will be the inevitable patchwork of transfers. One and done guys....Not the good kind. So here’s to our fab 5 hitting the ground running this year. We need at least 3 of them to show All BEast potential.

i think 2020 is almost more important, although every class is really important, if we want to maintain our level at the top of the big east, 2020 is vital. hopefully travis can pull in a few of our main targets to complement dwon. wilcher and carlson would be great. maybe zach harvey is still an option. wilcher reminds me a lot of trevon.

our brand took a bit of a hit last year as well, so it's important to have a big year this year to win back some positive momentum for recruiting.

[Xuperman]

Take a chance on Z Harvey, by all means. When I used my Google machine on him, I noticed that DJ Harvey signed with Vandy. I really liked the idea of adding him but the other Harvey will do nicely.

[noteggs]

i think 2020 is almost more important, although every class is really important, if we want to maintain our level at the top of the big east, 2020 is vital. hopefully travis can pull in a few of our main targets to complement dwon. wilcher and carlson would be great. maybe zach harvey is still an option. wilcher reminds me a lot of trevon.

our brand took a bit of a hit last year as well, so it's important to have a big year this year to win back some positive momentum for recruiting.

Originally I was meh on Wilcher until I watched more videos. May have some Trevon in him because of his quick release, but also has other parts to his game that makes him a great option. I really like this guy!

[scoscox]

Originally I was meh on Wilcher until I watched more videos. May have some Trevon in him because of his quick release, but also has other parts to his game that makes him a great option. I really like this guy!

both are 6'5", 6'6" with a little baby fat and a knack for buckets

[drudy23]

Honestly, with the way things are going now and how really good but not elite players have more options now, EVERY class is important. Even at X, I think you will see 4 year players decrease, even with them not making the NBA. It requires you to re-load every year.

[XUGRAD80]

Honestly, with the way things are going now and how really good but not elite players have more options now, EVERY class is important. Even at X, I think you will see 4 year players decrease, even with them not making the NBA. It requires you to re-load every year.

Very good point......

It’s important to keep in perspective that EVERY team is going through transfers and players leaving early, not just X. We tend to think it’s only the team we follow, because we concentrate on them so much, but other BE teams are going through turmoil too. It’s a new world.

[Xuperman]

Honestly, with the way things are going now and how really good but not elite players have more options now, EVERY class is important. Even at X, I think you will see 4 year players decrease, even with them not making the NBA. It requires you to re-load every year.

I can't see how this revolving door reality can be viewed as a good thing. Recruiting the best possible high school talent will always be top priority, however I don't see a XU senior class that doesn't include a transfer anymore. Once an afterthought, the transfer market has become crucial to a winning formula. When they open a "portal" and start ranking transfers a new era has arrived......and like with freshman talent, the blue bloods will start getting most of the top guys.. Look at UNC and UK for example.

[xufan2020]

Anyone have an update on Ben Carlson’s recruitment? Very impressed by his play

[GoMuskies]

Are you talking about Scrubb? He's visiting Louisville next week. Can't imagine he'd turn down Louisville if he gets an offer.

I know Scrubb is 2020, but I think he's only mentioned in this thread. He visited Louisville yesterday and got his offer, so I suspect we're out of the hunt.

[Xuperman]

I know Scrubb is 2020, but I think he's only mentioned in this thread. He visited Louisville yesterday and got his offer, so I suspect we're out of the hunt.

Doubt he amounts to much anyway...I am still hoping that Zach Harvey is being recruited. The trouble he is in is not a disqualifying offense IMO.

[Xuperman]

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Xavier-commitment-and-top-50-prospect-Dwon-Odom-talks-his-future-and-how-his-game-is-progressing-132240612/

Here’s a very comforting article. Highly doubt he reopens his recruitment regardless of how high he ends up rated....#43 and rising with a BULLET!!

Tried to find some stats on the Atlanta Celtics but to no avail....if anyone can, please post for us.

[Xuperman]

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

Here’s that most current Top247 rankings with Odom at #43. Harvey 2 spots higher but no indication that X is in the mix. Some very interesting possibilities on this list and it’s cool knowing that some of them WILL BE future Musketeers.

7’0” Zach Loveday #51 should get a look. Nothing shown on his recruitment as of yet but there is the Huntington Prep connection. I also see 2 guys from Ramsey’s Norcross HS in Georgia and Coach Hayes seems to have a lot of connections in that state.

I personally would like to see us lock up ZFree’s running mate Matt Zona....he’s a 3 star here at #209 but he held his own statistically with Zach last year and will fill his shoes for BC in the fall. At 6’9” 235 he’s a carbon copy of Zach with better shooting range.

[XUGRAD80]

Xavier offered Loveday Nov 29th, 2017.....according to VerbalCommits.com

[Xuperman]

Ok, I had no idea....was just perusing the list and looked like a good fit. Do you know if any other guys have been offered or are being seriously recruited?

[Xuperman]

Anyone have an update on Ben Carlson’s recruitment? Very impressed by his play

He comes in at #68 on this list. One can assume that Coach Johnson is still actively going hard to get him. Lists X as “warm” in his recruiting process. I guess if he commits, my Matt Zona wish would take a hit...they look to have a very similar skill set.

[XUGRAD80]

Ok, I had no idea....was just perusing the list and looked like a good fit. Do you know if any other guys have been offered or are being seriously recruited?


www.verbalcommits.com will give you a complete list of players X has offered.

[Xuperman]

www.verbalcommits.com will give you a complete list of players X has offered.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/xavier

Ok, I see it now...that is huge number of players with offers! With only 2 spots to fill, it will come down to filling a specific need. We could definitely use a long athletic wing/SF that shoots a high % 3 ball.

[GoMuskies]

You can also use the filters in the Scout BB Recruiting database to show a list of Xavier offerees.

[paulxu]

Dwon Odom is the state high school triple jump champion in Georgia this year.

So...he can definitely jump off of one foot.

[Lloyd Braun]

Dwon Odom is the state high school triple jump champion in Georgia this year.

So...he can definitely jump off of one foot.

Twice

[xufan2020]

Dwon Odom is the state high school triple jump champion in Georgia this year.

So...he can definitely jump off of one foot.
Speaking of 2020 class, I really hope X can close on CJ Wilcher but can he even dunk? He’s 6’5” and not naturally heavy like Trevon so unless I’m missing something, I don’t understand how I haven’t seen highlights of him elevating

[XUGRAD80]

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/xavier

Ok, I see it now...that is huge number of players with offers! With only 2 spots to fill, it will come down to filling a specific need. We could definitely use a long athletic wing/SF that shoots a high % 3 ball.

Have the feeling that the 2020 class will be another large class of 4-6 players.......

[scoscox]

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/xavier

Ok, I see it now...that is huge number of players with offers! With only 2 spots to fill, it will come down to filling a specific need. We could definitely use a long athletic wing/SF that shoots a high % 3 ball.

Travis is no doubt operating under the assumption that Scruggs and Marshall will be gone and thus we will have at least 4 open spots

[xu82]

Dwon Odom is the state high school triple jump champion in Georgia this year.

So...he can definitely jump off of one foot.

AND two feet! Nothin’ like being versatile!

[scoscox]

Speaking of 2020 class, I really hope X can close on CJ Wilcher but can he even dunk? He’s 6’5” and not naturally heavy like Trevon so unless I’m missing something, I don’t understand how I haven’t seen highlights of him elevating

I don’t know which highlights you’re watching but he absolutely has the same “husky” build as Trevon

[xukeith]

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/xavier

Ok, I see it now...that is huge number of players with offers! With only 2 spots to fill, it will come down to filling a specific need. We could definitely use a long athletic wing/SF that shoots a high % 3 ball.

When was the last long athletic wing for X that shot a high % 3?

Never? Unless you say Bluiett was a long athletic 3...... ( long?? athletic?)