Q’s Shoulder

[bjf123]

Shannon Russell is reporting that Quentin dislocated his shoulder a few days ago and has his left arm in a sling.


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[muskiefan82]

Hankins swat his shot into the stands?

[X-man]

Shannon Russell is reporting that Quentin dislocated his shoulder a few days ago and has his left arm in a sling.


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I was at that practice when it happened. He was in a lot of pain, but it was pretty clear the problem was a dislocation. I didn't see what happened but fortunately, that kind of problem typically doesn't create a lkot of problems going forward.

[xu82]

Get well, Q!!!!

[LOLmickcronin]

[QUOTE=X-man;630032]I was at that practice when it happened. He was in a lot of pain, but it was pretty clear the problem was a dislocation. I didn't see what happened but fortunately, that kind of problem typically doesn't create a lkot of problems going forward.[/QUOTE.]

I have to disagree with you there. This injury worries me. Not only can you tear the labrum or even fracture the humerus during this injury but often after dislocating once it becomes much easier to do again. Also, the injury itself can remain painful for 4+ weeks due to swelling in the joint and may not be 100% for 6-8 weeks especially given the season is starting and it’s going to start taking a lot more contact.

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=X-man;630032]I was at that practice when it happened. He was in a lot of pain, but it was pretty clear the problem was a dislocation. I didn't see what happened but fortunately, that kind of problem typically doesn't create a lkot of problems going forward.[/QUOTE.]

I have to disagree with you there. This injury worries me. Not only can you tear the labrum or even fracture the humerus during this injury but often after dislocating once it becomes much easier to do again. Also, the injury itself can remain painful for 4+ weeks due to swelling in the joint and may not be 100% for 6-8 weeks especially given the season is starting and it’s going to start taking a lot more contact.

You don't know if he tore his labrum or fractured his humerus. Let's not start speculating about all the worst case scenarios.

[MHettel]

I had labrum and rotator cuff surgery at once.. not good

In fine if Q protects his shoulder by just running offense for the first stretch of the season. Don’t go to the rim, and dont shoot. Just orchestrate. In a few weeks, when we get into the crunch time of real games, Q will explode to the rim.

Hope he is good, and we make a plus situation from this

[Xuperman]

I was at that practice when it happened. He was in a lot of pain, but it was pretty clear the problem was a dislocation.

Can you confirm the day this happened? Guessing he hasn't practiced since, with his arm in a sling. Is it fair to say no "Madness" for him on Friday?

[X-man]

Can you confirm the day this happened? Guessing he hasn't practiced since, with his arm in a sling. Is it fair to say no "Madness" for him on Friday?

I didn't see it happen, but he was in considerable pain. Regarding "fan" LOLMICKCONIN's post above, I'm sure he'll be relieved to know his worst case scenario isn't happening. According to today's Enquirer, Q is "day-to-day". While he may not participate in Friday's Madness, Coach Steele says he'll be fine by season's start.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Hoping for the best.

[DexterBailey84]

[QUOTE=X-man;630032]I was at that practice when it happened. He was in a lot of pain, but it was pretty clear the problem was a dislocation. I didn't see what happened but fortunately, that kind of problem typically doesn't create a lkot of problems going forward.[/QUOTE.]

I have to disagree with you there. This injury worries me. Not only can you tear the labrum or even fracture the humerus during this injury but often after dislocating once it becomes much easier to do again. Also, the injury itself can remain painful for 4+ weeks due to swelling in the joint and may not be 100% for 6-8 weeks especially given the season is starting and it’s going to start taking a lot more contact.

not disagreeing with you but when I was just a few years younger than Q playing WR on the football field, I dislocated my shoulder on our very first drive of my senior season...our trainer and a EMT put it back in for me and I ended up coming back and playing the entire 2nd half and catching 5 passes....it hurt like an absolute MF'er going back in but after it was in the pain was pretty tolerable going forward.....nothing a few ibuprofen couldn't take care of really.....this scenario actually played out several times throughout the season and I was always able to go back in and play afterwards......Quinton seems like a pretty tough kid I'm willing to bet that he'll be able to play through it and will be just time.......to me it was just a nuisance, not much else.

[MHettel]

[QUOTE=LOLmickcronin;630035]

not disagreeing with you but when I was just a few years younger than Q playing WR on the football field, I dislocated my shoulder on our very first drive of my senior season...our trainer and a EMT put it back in for me and I ended up coming back and playing the entire 2nd half and catching 5 passes....it hurt like an absolute MF'er going back in but after it was in the pain was pretty tolerable going forward.....nothing a few ibuprofen couldn't take care of really.....this scenario actually played out several times throughout the season and I was always able to go back in and play afterwards......Quinton seems like a pretty tough kid I'm willing to bet that he'll be able to play through it and will be just time.......to me it was just a nuisance, not much else.

I think it comes down to whether the labrum gets torn during dislocation. If it's not torn, and they put it back in place, then alot of times it good to go.

If it is torn, then you will have shoulder weakness and pain, and they shoulder is way more likely to dislocate again.

I hope we are good to go with Q

[Roach]

I was at that practice when it happened. He was in a lot of pain, but it was pretty clear the problem was a dislocation. I didn't see what happened but fortunately, that kind of problem typically doesn't create a lkot of problems going forward.

As someone whose shoulder dislocation in a football game at age 17 led to a rotator cuff repair at age 18 and a subsequent rotator cuff + labrum repair at age 37, I can attest that this simply is NOT always the case.

[xu82]

As someone whose shoulder dislocation in a football game at age 17 led to a rotator cuff repair at age 18 and a subsequent rotator cuff + labrum repair at age 37, I can attest that this simply is NOT always the case.

Not to be “that guy”, or point out anything sensitive, but how long ago was that? The science is advancing at an amazing rate these days. My son was playing (not at 100%, but playing) in a HS basketball tournament 5 months after tearing his MCL and ACL surgery. My mother’s hips were both replaced, just 2 years apart. The advancement was amazing in just a couple years.

I’m not downplaying this, but I’m hoping and praying for the best.

[xukeith]

Not to be “that guy”, or point out anything sensitive, but how long ago was that? The science is advancing at an amazing rate these days. My son was playing (not at 100%, but playing) in a HS basketball tournament 5 months after tearing his MCL and ACL surgery. My mother’s hips were both replaced, just 2 years apart. The advancement was amazing in just a couple years.

I’m not downplaying this, but I’m hoping and praying for the best.

i know a person who did both knee replacements at the same time.

[LOLmickcronin]

[QUOTE=LOLmickcronin;630035]

You don't know if he tore his labrum or fractured his humerus. Let's not start speculating about all the worst case scenarios.

I'm not speculating on his specific injury. I'm just saying there's a lot of unknown info for the OP to say that this injury is no big deal. And i know they're saying day to day but I know from experience a dislocated shoulder is not easy to come back from in a contact sport.

[LOLmickcronin]

[QUOTE=LOLmickcronin;630035]

not disagreeing with you but when I was just a few years younger than Q playing WR on the football field, I dislocated my shoulder on our very first drive of my senior season...our trainer and a EMT put it back in for me and I ended up coming back and playing the entire 2nd half and catching 5 passes....it hurt like an absolute MF'er going back in but after it was in the pain was pretty tolerable going forward.....nothing a few ibuprofen couldn't take care of really.....this scenario actually played out several times throughout the season and I was always able to go back in and play afterwards......Quinton seems like a pretty tough kid I'm willing to bet that he'll be able to play through it and will be just time.......to me it was just a nuisance, not much else.

You are very atypical then. While certainly someone could go, it's generally very difficult unless you play a position where you can keep the arm below 90 degrees (like O line or linebacker). WRs and DBs are usually done for at least a couple weeks after a true dislocation. You're either crazy tough or have super lax shoulders to begin with or both.

[LOLmickcronin]

Not to be “that guy”, or point out anything sensitive, but how long ago was that? The science is advancing at an amazing rate these days. My son was playing (not at 100%, but playing) in a HS basketball tournament 5 months after tearing his MCL and ACL surgery. My mother’s hips were both replaced, just 2 years apart. The advancement was amazing in just a couple years.

I’m not downplaying this, but I’m hoping and praying for the best.

Even in a worst case scenario Q would not need a rotator cuff repair or anything. Most likely labrum only, which unfortunately is a 6-9 month recovery even with today's technology. However, generally this can wait till after the season unless he keeps dislocating over and over throughout the season. Which is what I'm more worried about--if the shoulder gets lax and every time he gets hit it subluxes or dislocates it'll be tough for him to keep playing.

[MHettel]

Not to be “that guy”, or point out anything sensitive, but how long ago was that? The science is advancing at an amazing rate these days. My son was playing (not at 100%, but playing) in a HS basketball tournament 5 months after tearing his MCL and ACL surgery. My mother’s hips were both replaced, just 2 years apart. The advancement was amazing in just a couple years.

I’m not downplaying this, but I’m hoping and praying for the best.

In my case, had both surgeries done arthoscopically at the same time in 2015. Supposed to be 4 months until I was back in the gym and at one year would be “good as new”. At 4 months, I had a second surgery because I had frozen shoulder which would be like if your shoulder socket just rusted into an immovable joint. Surgery consisted of....yup.....just knock me out and the doctor just wrenched on it until it all broke free. Then, the scope and debridement. 4 months later, I finally made it back to the gym. Solidly 18 months total before I was “strong” again and could do things without pain.

That sucked

[BigMoeMusketeer]

A LOT of people stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night....

[94GRAD]

A LOT of people stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night....

Public reps since the man is keeping me down!

[xu82]

In my case, had both surgeries done arthoscopically at the same time in 2015. Supposed to be 4 months until I was back in the gym and at one year would be “good as new”. At 4 months, I had a second surgery because I had frozen shoulder which would be like if your shoulder socket just rusted into an immovable joint. Surgery consisted of....yup.....just knock me out and the doctor just wrenched on it until it all broke free. Then, the scope and debridement. 4 months later, I finally made it back to the gym. Solidly 18 months total before I was “strong” again and could do things without pain.

That sucked

That DOES suck, and it was pretty recent.

[DexterBailey84]

You are very atypical then. While certainly someone could go, it's generally very difficult unless you play a position where you can keep the arm below 90 degrees (like O line or linebacker). WRs and DBs are usually done for at least a couple weeks after a true dislocation. You're either crazy tough or have super lax shoulders to begin with or both.

Let's just chalk it up to being young, dumb and full of testosterone. lol

Of course that was 30 years ago so who knows what the hell was going on in my head.

[Roach]

Not to be “that guy”, or point out anything sensitive, but how long ago was that? The science is advancing at an amazing rate these days. My son was playing (not at 100%, but playing) in a HS basketball tournament 5 months after tearing his MCL and ACL surgery. My mother’s hips were both replaced, just 2 years apart. The advancement was amazing in just a couple years.

IÂ’m not downplaying this, but IÂ’m hoping and praying for the best.

The advances have been considerable. I had a much better experience with my second surgery, which isn't too surprising given that it was 19 years later.

My initial surgery was in December of 1997, and my subsequent surgery was 2 years ago. Neither surgery was arthroscopic. In the opinion of the orthopedic surgeon who performed my second surgery, the initial dislocation was likely a symptom of a degenerative condition because my shoulder began dislocating routinely almost immediately thereafter, stretching my rotator cuff to the point that I could eventually sublux my shoulder at will. I ultimately tore the rotator cuff during the final game of my senior year. I had full reconstruction, and let me tell you, it was a miserable experience. The initial pain was bad enough, but the PT that followed was downright excruciating, and even once I'd completed it and restored a good deal of mobility, I lacked anywhere close to my preinjury level of internal or external rotation. Little by little, I accumulated so much scar tissue that virtually every shoulder movement was painful.

I did multiple rounds of subsequent PT in an attempt to avoid a second surgery, and also maintained a regular strength training regimen designed by the orthopedic surgeon treating me. However, I was compensating for the pain by making unconscious adjustments to my movements, and in so doing, ultimately ended up tearing my labrum and re-injuring (though not tearing) my rotator cuff. The second surgery was rough, and the PT equally painful, but 2 years later, I have little residual pain and feel worlds better than at any point since I first injured it. That said, I will always have some degree of pain and my mobility will never be back to 100%. Maybe that isn't the case for young athletes whose initial injuries are being treated through modern surgical techniques. Whatever the case, the point remains that a dislocation isn't anything to sneeze at. It could be a serious injury. That said, I definitely know people who've dislocated their shoulders and never had subsequent problems.

[American X]

Patch Him Up!

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[markchal]

While this doesn't sound too serious, it does remind me just how thin we are this year. We cannot afford any injuries during the season, especially to our bigs. I feel like we were unusually lucky last year by staying relatively healthy the whole year, but probably some karma after what we had to deal with the two years prior.

[Xuperman]

I think we could fight thru some minor injuries but anything long term or season ending is never good. I think we all agree our top 7 are solid with a lot of diversity and we get significant contributions from 2 of the 3 remaining scholarship players, so 9 deep is not too bad.

[BandDad]

Science has come a long way in recent years. After a terrible accident in the 70s, they were only able to save Lee Majors and make him a $6 million dollar man. I betcha today he would be at least a $12 million dollar man and he would have better replacement body parts.

[American X]

Q looks like a superhero, so shouldn't he have super-healing powers?

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[Lloyd Braun]

Why isn’t this a serious injury? Has there been any release of imaging results? If there is structural damage (labrum or rotator cuff) then he would probably be advised to have surgery on it.

[Xuperman]

Still in a sling per Andy Mac. The exhibition game is right around the corner. I doubt we'll see him then but I wonder why his status is so tight lipped?

[XMuskieFTW]

Glad they are taking him slow and playing it safe. Q knows the system better than anyone, so holding him out of practice isn't as big a deal as say one of the transfers. I'm guessing he doesn't play at all this weekend and is probably 60/40 for the exhibition.

[muskiefan82]

I can't imagine any scenario where he plays in the exhibition

[Xuperman]

I am OK with him missing the Jags and the Aces if it helps.

[bleedXblue]

how is the shoulder.......? Have not seen any reports at all.

[MHettel]

Not good to hear that he is still in a sling. Im offically concenend that this could impact his availability or performance this year.

[Xuperman]

The silence is a major concern. Then again, maybe there is info available but nobody here has posted any. If not, what would justify staying mum when your fan base is very interested in an update on our best player?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Marshall/Scruggs are our best players but Q is very good and we need him. Having one PG is not a good thing.

[AviatorX]

Marshall/Scruggs are our best players but Q is very good and we need him. Having one PG is not a good thing.

I'm very high on Scruggs, but c'mon, how can we possibly be elevating him above Q at this point? A lot of people thought he (Scruggs) was underwhelming for the bulk of last season.

[X-man]

I can't imagine any scenario where he plays in the exhibition

I'm hearing he'll be ready for sure by Maui, and hopefully earlier.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Travis spoke to a private group on Monday at 5:30 up in the Tech Lounge and said he doesn't expect Q to be off the floor much longer, and honestly, reading through the "coach-speak", he seemed genuinely optimistic about it. I think they'll ease him back into the flow of things when cleared, and as "X-Man" said, I think full-go in Maui is / will be the goal.

[GIMMFD]

Fear not guys, I broke into our clinic, found all the opioids, just signed it "Dr. Johnson" and shipped them to Q, he'll be a little doped up, but good to go for the season opener.

[Xuperman]

Marshall/Scruggs are our best players but Q is very good.

Not only is Q our best player by just about any metric you can think of, but he has all the intangibles and by far the most BEast experience. This is basically his team now. But hey, you know what they say about opinions......

[bobbiemcgee]

Q was at the BE Media day. Did anybody ask him about the shoulder?

[X-Fan]

Q was at the BE Media day. Did anybody ask him about the shoulder?

Also, unless it was well hidden, he wasn’t wearing the sling during Media Day.

[sirthought]

It was reported about his shoulder 10 days before the media day. I think it did come up, but it wasn't really news there because they already talked about it.

[noteggs]

According to credible tweets today, Q returning to practice today.

[xukeith]

According to credible tweets today, Q returning to practice today.

1 tweet from current enquirer beat writer.
1 tweet from old X beat writer

[scoscox]

1 tweet from current enquirer beat writer.
1 tweet from old X beat writer

Actually 2 tweets from the current beat writer

[xufan02]

According to credible tweets today, Q returning to practice today.

Q in non contact drills at practice.

[GIMMFD]

Q in non contact drills at practice.

Step in the right directly to get him healthy, I don't think we're gonna have an amazing Maui performance by any means, but without Q in Maui would be a complete dumpster fire, so hoping he gets back to 100% soon.

[noteggs]

Q in non contact drills at practice.

With non contact, do you know how much this will effect his participation in regular season games?

[sirthought]

With non contact, do you know how much this will effect his participation in regular season games?

50%

[Xuperman]

Hope that shoulder heals and stays healed! What is that metric that MLB uses about wins vs replacement? If some type of similar metric could be used here, Q would be off the chart. His experience is invaluable and cannot be replaced, especially at the PG position. If EH is forced into playing significant minutes, we will struggle to get wins. He looks Horizon league-ish.

[XUGRAD80]

I was encouraged that he appeared to have full range of motion and didn’t seem to be favoring it when interacting with his teammates. I suspect that the coaching staff knowing his value to the team, they are being overly cautious at this time. No sense in taking a chance on a relapse in games where his presence is not really needed.

[MHettel]

I like Scruggs for what he is. But what he ISN'T is a primary ball handler. He's a capable second ballhandler. And the dropoff to #3 ballhandler is huge, falling to either Naji or Harden. Naji can get his own shot when he's got the ball, but he cant get shots for others. And since few others can get their own shots, It's really gonna be hard to create looks until Q gets back......

IUPUI clearly figured this out, having used the press on multiple occasions last night.

[XUGRAD80]

I like Scruggs for what he is. But what he ISN'T is a primary ball handler. He's a capable second ballhandler. And the dropoff to #3 ballhandler is huge, falling to either Naji or Harden. Naji can get his own shot when he's got the ball, but he cant get shots for others. And since few others can get their own shots, It's really gonna be hard to create looks until Q gets back......

IUPUI clearly figured this out, having used the press on multiple occasions last night.

Naji had 7 assists last night....not bad for a guy that “can’t get shots for others”. ��

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Naji had 7 assists last night....not bad for a guy that “can’t get shots for others”. ��

I think when we see Q return that Q/Scruggs are the top options with Harden as the emergency. Next year all bets are off. I thought the game was pretty sloppy and surprised we only had 13 TOs. It is the first game, I know I have been spoiled by X's continuity over the years. They looked like a team that has never competed together. With Q being healthy, this will be a totally different team in the coming months.

I have concerns with Welage's defense, no shocker, I also have concern with our three point shooting. We need to move the ball better around on offense. This team will take lumps, I hope they don't take too many to keep us out of the tournament.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I like being cautious with Q just hope they dont get unnecessarily cautious. Even though we may not need Q to win last night or Saturday we need as much gelling for this new team as possible against some lighter competition. Hopefully Q can go Saturday before facing Wisconsin.

[MHettel]

Naji had 7 assists last night....not bad for a guy that “can’t get shots for others”. ��

Naji averaged 1.6 APG last year. His high was 4 in a game, which he did 6 times. He had 7 games with no assists.

I wateched the game last nigth and it seemed like alot of his assist came out of transition. I guess what I'm referring to is being a ball handler in the halfcourt offense. Breaking down a defender to create a double team or demand help in some way which results in someone whoe gets open and untilately gets the ball for a shot.

Bottom line.....we need Q, cause we are not deep with ballhandlers.

[bobbiemcgee]

Naji did not look right last night. Could tell he was still suffering from the flu or whatever. I saw him trying to shake it off in the huddles and just looked like he was trying way too hard to stay focused. I thought it was a gutty performance. Hope he gets some rest b4 Aces.