2019 Oral Commits

[xufan02]

Snow has said at this point he doesn’t think MSU will get more than a token visit. As has been mentioned, his recruitment has played out oddly. Lots of his previous top choices have filled guard spots, so it could be a total wildcard school at this point. With Rocket Watts choosing MSU, one school to watch for Beverly could be Mizzou. I still think X is in a good position for him, though.

Missouri landed long time lean Mario McKinney today. Essentially out of the Beverly sweepstakes.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Dang, that’s a good sign then... hopefully he can schedule some visits here soon, and be the last piece of the ‘19 class. Long, super athletic playmaker at the lead guard. Not a whole lot of shooting if him and Odom play alongside each other, but similar to a Q and Paul dynamic. Hope it happens.

[noteggs]

And now we're trending for kyky tandym

Heard that about Kyky! Where in world did that come from? 3 crystal balls out of nowhere! Steele must have had something under his sleeve.

[xukeith]

Not Brian Snow BUT 5 "National recruiting Experts" are posting online that today, they say Xavier is the odds on favorite for kyky tandy

[xufan02]

I'm not sure where this KyKy Tandy optimism is coming from, but I'm intrigued. Heck, he did play AAU on Team Thad with Xavier commit Daniel Ramsey, and the staff has been recruiting him for a bit.

On a side note, he is scheduled to visit Iowa State this weekend.

[XUFan09]

A bit surprised, yes, b/c it looks like XU thinks it will find better; he was a prime target for awhile and by all appearances a good fit.

X got Ramsey and Freemantle at the 4/5 along with Miles at the 5 (likely redshirt). There isn't really room for another big.

[joe titan]

X got Ramsey and Freemantle at the 4/5 along with Miles at the 5 (likely redshirt). There isn't really room for another big.

I agree Miles is redshirt candidate but rest assured XU is looking diligently for true 5 in 2019 or 2020 class.

[XUFan09]

I agree Miles is redshirt candidate but rest assured XU is looking diligently for true 5 in 2019 or 2020 class.They might take a big in the 2020 class, but they are decidedly not looking for a true 5 in the 2019 class. That would be a good way to lose one of the guys they already have, and it's not worth the recruiting resources either when they already have three guys that could play the 5 coming in 2019.

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[scoscox]

I agree Miles is redshirt candidate but rest assured XU is looking diligently for true 5 in 2019 or 2020 class.

I doubt it. I think we are looking for a swing 4/SF more than anything in 2020. We seem set on bringing in another guard to round out 2019

[XUGRAD80]

X has at least 3 offers out for centers in the 2020 class. In fact they just offered a young man from Evansville, Ind. on the 28th....he is 6’ 9” and 220 libs according to one listing, 6’9” and 205 on another listing. So yes, X IS looking for another center in the 2020 class. AND they also have offers out for at least one center on the 2021 class.....all according to Verbalcommitss.com


There are 13 scholarships available, why would any team only want ONE center on scholarship?

Personally I wouldn’t give 2 cents for a player that wasn’t willing to compete for playing time. I hope that X never decides to stop recruiting a player because of the potential to lose someone that had already committed. If that’s why a player backs out...good riddance. If a player isn’t willing to compete for playing time, what makes you think that they are going to be willing to compete in games? You think that schools like Duke and Ky worry about such things? Not on your life. They want competitive people in their programs. They don’t want people that expect to have things handed to them.

[XUFan09]

There are 13 scholarships available, why would any team only want ONE center on scholarship?


I'm sorry, what? Only one center on scholarship? Miles might be the only guy currently coming in that is EXCLUSIVELY a center, but both Ramsey and Freemantle can and will play at the 5 too. So, the depth chart at the 5 will be the following in 2019-2020:

Jones/Ramsey/Freemantle/Miles

It will be the following in 2020-2021:

Ramsey/Freemantle/Miles

Though Ramsey and/or Freemantle might see time at the 4, they most definitely can he included in the future center depth chart. I agree that there could be a center in the 2020 class, but let's not act like it's a high priority when we can already project three underclassmen at that position in 2020. That's pretty good competition already.

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[XMuskieFTW]

I'm sorry, what? Only one center on scholarship? Miles might be the only guy currently coming in that is EXCLUSIVELY a center, but both Ramsey and Freemantle can and will play at the 5 too. So, the depth chart at the 5 will be the following in 2019-2020:

Jones/Ramsey/Freemantle/Miles

It will be the following in 2020-2021:

Ramsey/Freemantle/Miles

Though Ramsey and/or Freemantle might see time at the 4, they most definitely can he included in the future center depth chart. I agree that there could be a center in the 2020 class, but let's not act like it's a high priority when we can already project three underclassmen at that position in 2020. That's pretty good competition already.

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Agree with this. Especially with how we like/want to play versatile wings like Bluiett/Dontarius James at the 4. We are more than set at the 5 for the 19 and 20 classes. Now you don't turn down the right kid if he's available and wants to come to X, but the 5(along with the 1 to some extent) are currently the least needed spots going forward.

[XUFan09]

On a different note, no one should ever treat the offers list at places like Verbal Commits as fact. There are multiple reasons, including the following:

1) They quickly go out of date. I've lost track of how many times someone mentions that we have an offer out to a guy that we stopped recruiting months ago. Practically speaking, that dude doesn't have an offer anymore.

2) At times the listed offers are just false and they are almost always incomplete.

3) The binary nature of "offer" vs. "no offer" does not capture the fluidity of recruiting. If a kid were to want to commit to a school that week, would the staff accept that commitment or would they hold him off while trying to figure out what's going on with other recruits?

To gain reliable knowledge of the recruiting scene, active attention to specific people on Twitter and/or subscription to one of the recruiting sites is realistically needed. Sites like 247 or Rivals do post free articles at times too.

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[XUGRAD80]

I agree with the above, and regularly check the other sites mentioned. There are often kids that appear on one list, but not the other. VC and Rivals also have Twitter links posted all of the time. X has offers out for 2020 players in every position. They have many out for 2021 already. None of us know exactly who they are spending their efforts on from one week to the next. At best we can hear about in Home visits, coaches apppearing at player’s games, unofficial and official visits. I expect the coaching staff to put together the best group of players that they can every year, and only they will have a real handle on exactly what the needs are and aren’t. When I see that they are making offers to players that most would consider “true” centers, it says to me that they are not sold on the idea of using players already committed in that position. They may work out just fine in the center position, only time will tell, in the meantime, I see no no harm in the persuit of others that may be more fitted to thst position.

[BandAid]

Now you don't turn down the right kid if he's available and wants to come to X, but the 5(along with the 1 to some extent) are currently the least needed spots going forward*.

*Granted everyone shows up and stays.

I sure hope Odom's commitment is strong. I absolutely adore his YouTube clips. Reminds me of a bigger Tu (without the 3 (but Tu needed time to develop his shot too)). The dude bullies his way to the rim.

[XUBison]

*Granted everyone shows up and stays.

I sure hope Odom's commitment is strong. I absolutely adore his YouTube clips. Reminds me of a bigger Tu (without the 3 (but Tu needed time to develop his shot too)). The dude bullies his way to the rim.

Is there anymore steam about Odom reclassifying to next year? When is the deadline for this?

[XUFan09]

When is the deadline for this? When the first day of classes start in Fall 2019.

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[GIMMFD]

I'm not sure where this KyKy Tandy optimism is coming from, but I'm intrigued. Heck, he did play AAU on Team Thad with Xavier commit Daniel Ramsey, and the staff has been recruiting him for a bit.

On a side note, he is scheduled to visit Iowa State this weekend.

Yeah I feel like KyKy Tandy just came out of nowhere huh? I'm definitely intrigued too, I like the crystal ball being predicted in our favor, adding him would make this class feel like a homerun almost.

[scoscox]

He'd be an awesome addition, but it probably worth pointing out that it hasn't been picked up by snow or daniels yet.

[XMuskieFTW]

Is there anymore steam about Odom reclassifying to next year? When is the deadline for this?

It's sounding extremely unlikely and the staff is planning as though he'll remain 2020.

[xukeith]

I'm 100% ok with Odom coming in 2020. That class needs to fill out. We have plenty of 2019 commits (verbally) players.

[xu82]

It's sounding extremely unlikely and the staff is planning as though he'll remain 2020.

I don’t mind waiting and letting him develop further, as long as he doesn’t have a change of heart in the extra time. THAT is part of the process, I know....but it’s getting old!

[XUFan09]

Assuming both Goodin and Scruggs are back next year, Odom could add to an explosive roster. At the same time, he might struggle to get in a rhythm just because of how deep the guard depth chart is, unless it becomes almost exclusively 3-guard lineups with Naji at the 4. So, it would somewhat raise the potential of the 2019-2020 team but possibly at the expense at his development. He definitely will get a lot more run in 2020.

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[xukeith]

Assuming both Goodin and Scruggs are back next year, Odom could add to an explosive roster. At the same time, he might struggle to get in a rhythm just because of how deep the guard depth chart is, unless it becomes almost exclusively 3-guard lineups with Naji at the 4. So, it would somewhat raise the potential of the 2019-2020 team but possibly at the expense at his development. He definitely will get a lot more run in 2020.

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Goodin and Scruggs will be back unless X wins the National Championship and one or both are All Americans.
Bishop will come as a guard next year( I like him a tad more than Odom) and he will play behind Paul and Q. So sweat there? Everything will be fine.
I trust the coaching staff and his academic situation might be an issue to delay his eligibility. We shall see.

Can't wait until this Saturday at 11am. Practice will be seen!

[XUFan09]

Goodin and Scruggs will be back unless X wins the National Championship and one or both are All Americans.
Bishop will come as a guard next year( I like him a tad more than Odom) and he will play behind Paul and Q. So sweat there? Everything will be fine.
I trust the coaching staff and his academic situation might be an issue to delay his eligibility. We shall see.

Can't wait until this Saturday at 11am. Practice will be seen!I never assume talented guys are basically guaranteed to be back, and I disagree about Bishop being on a similar level to Odom (though I'm excited about his arrival too). Also, with Bishop, he can easily play the 3 or even the 4 in a small lineup, especially because of his shooting. It's not the same depth chart for him as it is for Odom, who's slotted at the 1/2.

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[GIMMFD]

I never assume talented guys are basically guaranteed to be back, and I disagree about Bishop being on a similar level to Odom (though I'm excited about his arrival too). Also, with Bishop, he can easily play the 3 or even the 4 in a small lineup, especially because of his shooting. It's not the same depth chart for him as it is for Odom, who's slotted at the 1/2.

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Yeah you never know, they have the NBA guard size as well, and are pretty athletic. We're very deep with guards for next year on paper, but getting Odom into the 2019 class would make it pretty special. Gaffney just chose UCONN, so we're gonna have to figure out this situation moving forward

[noteggs]

Yeah you never know, they have the NBA guard size as well, and are pretty athletic. We're very deep with guards for next year on paper, but getting Odom into the 2019 class would make it pretty special. Gaffney just chose UCONN, so we're gonna have to figure out this situation moving forward

Great to have this debate because of last year’s recruiting results (can debate on why forever and most still have a hangover). Both Odom and Bishop are great additions to our team. They have different strengths and will play different positions (depending on circumstances). If X lands another guard for the 2019 class, Odom and company (2020) can make for back to back great classes!

[xukeith]

Yeah you never know, they have the NBA guard size as well, and are pretty athletic. We're very deep with guards for next year on paper, but getting Odom into the 2019 class would make it pretty special. Gaffney just chose UCONN, so we're gonna have to figure out this situation moving forward

bluiett and Macura had NBA guard size too.
So did Semaj and Crawford.
A guard in the NBA is a dime a dozen.
VERY difficult to land in NBA.
I'd be shocked if any of our current roster guards land in NBA. They are good but NBA loves POTENTIAL and amazing talent.

[noteggs]

bluiett and Macura had NBA guard size too.
So did Semaj and Crawford.
A guard in the NBA is a dime a dozen.
VERY difficult to land in NBA.
I'd be shocked if any of our current roster guards land in NBA. They are good but NBA loves POTENTIAL and amazing talent.

Doesn’t Scruggs meet this definition? He was only a freshman last year and coming off an injury (I could be wrong on the last point). Also from early reports, Q has become a physical fitness freak this year.

[GIMMFD]

Doesn’t Scruggs meet this definition? He was only a freshman last year and coming off an injury (I could be wrong on the last point). Also from early reports, Q has become a physical fitness freak this year.

Yeah I was thinking that too, Scruggs was pretty highly ranked outta high school so he definitely has potential, and we saw flashes of it, and Q is build like a boulder right now, I guess the biggest thing is that they aren't that great against quick guards, and obviously speed kills in the NBA, but I could see Scruggs landing in the NBA eventually with some development.

[TUclutch]

does nnyone have a link to the xavier basketball scholarship matric/spreadsheet someone continually updated?

[scoscox]

Yeah you never know, they have the NBA guard size as well, and are pretty athletic. We're very deep with guards for next year on paper, but getting Odom into the 2019 class would make it pretty special. Gaffney just chose UCONN, so we're gonna have to figure out this situation moving forward

We appear to be closing in on DeKeyvan (KyKy) Tandy in 2019. Very similar to odom. A little smaller and not quite as explosive, but still extremely quick and attacks the rim hard. Ranked 92 in 2019

[XUGRAD80]

does nnyone have a link to the xavier basketball scholarship matric/spreadsheet someone continually updated?

Go to www.verbalcommits.com and follow the path....conferences...big east....Xavier. Will give you a complete breakdown on the roster, scholarships, recruits, and potential recruits. Not always perfect, when it comes to everyone that is a potential recruit, but otherwise pretty accurate.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

We appear to be closing in on DeKeyvan (KyKy) Tandy in 2019. Very similar to odom. A little smaller and not quite as explosive, but still extremely quick and attacks the rim hard. Ranked 92 in 2019

KyKy has included us in his final 2, alone with Ole Miss. He has an OV to ole miss next weekend.

He’s smaller than the guards we currently have on the roster, but explosive, scorer, and an extremely tight handle.

[XUGRAD80]

Slazinski off the board to ULsucks

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Slazinski off the board to ULsucks

He's going to redshirt in 2019, too. He must really love Mack and Louisville.

[noteggs]

KyKy has included us in his final 2, alone with Ole Miss. He has an OV to ole miss next weekend.

He’s smaller than the guards we currently have on the roster, but explosive, scorer, and an extremely tight handle.

From the tape I’ve seen of KyKy, he would be a great addition. His recruitment from across the board has been very puzzling. Both X and Ole Miss were never his top schools. This stuff is so strange and can’t imagine what it’s like for a 17-18 year old.

[XUGRAD80]

I never made up mind where I was going to college until very near the end of my senior year in HS. Actually can very close to just enlisting in the Army before even deciding to go right to college. Went to a school up north for a year and almost immediately realized I had made a mistake. Transferred back to X and never looked back. Not only are these kids looking to find somewhere that they will enjoy going to school at, they are also looking for someplace that they will enjoy playing ball at.....and a place where they can meet their scholastic AND athletic goals. A life changing decision for most of them.

[sirthought]

I had the impression that Tandy thought he would get picked up at Kentucky.

I think Odom is going to be a star when he gets here, but can you imagine our backcourt if we had these two quick strong ball handlers on our side? I think it would be Holloway and Cheeks, only better. Kyky could do some special things here and I hope he signs on.

[XUGRAD80]

I had the impression that Tandy thought he would get picked up at Kentucky.

I think Odom is going to be a star when he gets here, but can you imagine our backcourt if we had these two quick strong ball handlers on our side? I think it would be Holloway and Cheeks, only better. Kyky could do some special things here and I hope he signs on.

He may well have, but it was a long shot at best. Then, after his dad opened his mouth about KyKy not going if he was just going if he was not going to be the star, it was never in doubt. Wasn’t going to happen. Coach Cal ain’t gonna let anyone tell him who plays and who doesn’t. Ky stopped any recruitment efforts for Tandy and moved on. I hope he comes, but I’m also hoping his dad doesn’t.

[scoscox]

I don't think his dad said anything ridiculous, although definitely not helpful to his son if he really wanted to go there, but is it really ridiculous to say that you don't want to go somewhere and ride the bench behind 4 other 5 star point guards? That seems like common sense. He would clearly be recruited over at UK.

[GIMMFD]

We appear to be closing in on DeKeyvan (KyKy) Tandy in 2019. Very similar to odom. A little smaller and not quite as explosive, but still extremely quick and attacks the rim hard. Ranked 92 in 2019

Yeah I saw that, I think he'd be an awesome addition, that's another good talent to throw into the fold, like I said earlier if Steele secures that, this class has me feeling really good for the future.

[UCGRAD4X]

I think it would be Holloway and Cheeks, only better.

WOW! That's a pretty high hill to climb. I like it! That being said, it's bound to happen sooner or later...not a matter of if, but when...I vote for sooner.

Her's hoping you are right.

That is, of course, considering all appropriate caveats, carts and horses and all...

[xukeith]

Cheeks, yes. Holloway...ummmm I doubt his toughness and desire and clutch shooting will be seen soon enough.

[Masterofreality]

We NEED either Beverly or Tandy to commit. OR BOTH!!

[bobbiemcgee]

247 has KyKy 100% X for what it's worth.

[GIMMFD]

247 has KyKy 100% X for what it's worth.

I think I've asked this before, but how accurate are the crystal ball projections again? Like that is definitely a good sign, especially if it's Brian Snow predicting correct?

[XUGRAD80]

I think I've asked this before, but how accurate are the crystal ball projections again? Like that is definitely a good sign, especially if it's Brian Snow predicting correct?

SOMETIMES they are accurate......they also had Franklin at 100% for X earlier this year. Don’t bet the farm on those predictions, especially when they are predictions about what kids are going to do sometime in the future. Still, it’s hopeful. The one thing we do know is that right now it’s a two horse race for Tandy, between Old Miss and X. Of course, that can change quickly, too.

[sirthought]

Damn, I just bet the farm. Wish me luck!

[Masterofreality]

Elias King was 100%........once. :-(

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I follow KY basketball very closely, and because of my son I end up at a TON of KY high school games, and for my money, KyKy Tandy is the #1 kid in the state this year (and it isn't all that close). Johnson at Trinity is sort of a tweener, who doesn't have the burst to blow by guys on the perimeter. Dontaie Allen's motor is a HUGE question, and he may have the worst H.S. coach in the state in terms of schemes and adjustments. Moreno at Scott County is still a man amongst boys, but he hasn't really developed as expected, and will be an under-sized PF in college like the kid Carson Williams that went to NKU and then left. Moreno has seen his level of offers fall way off the last few months. The Miles kid at Walton Verona is a P.R.O.J.E.C.T. of the highest order.

I type all of this knowing that Allen and Johnson will likely end up at "bigger" places, but I assure you, Tandy, if he stays healthy, should have the best college career of the group. You absolutely want him at Xavier, ignore all of the other shenanigans that have been over-played by the ever-annoying "BBN", this dude would make Xavier better.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think I've asked this before, but how accurate are the crystal ball projections again? Like that is definitely a good sign, especially if it's Brian Snow predicting correct?

60% of the time it works every time.

[noteggs]

The one thing we do know is that right now it’s a two horse race for Tandy, between Old Miss and X. Of course, that can change quickly, too.

Probably will know more about Kyky after this weekend since he’s visiting Ole Miss today and tomorrow.

[noteggs]

I think I've asked this before, but how accurate are the crystal ball projections again? Like that is definitely a good sign, especially if it's Brian Snow predicting correct?

From what I’ve seen, your last comment is correct. If Snow predicts, that’s a great sign he will. If others, I just see it as the player has high interest in X.

[94GRAD]

60% of the time it works every time.

Snow uses Sex Panther?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Snow uses Sex Panther?

Lol, brewery near me makes a double chocolate porter called sex panther in Chandler Az. My wife got me their T-shirt with the beer logo on it and it still freaks people out at bars here.


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[GIMMFD]

From what I’ve seen, your last comment is correct. If Snow predicts, that’s a great sign he will. If others, I just see it as the player has high interest in X.

Okay, just making sure I was in the right mindset, I think we have an advantage over Ole Miss being a better program, but they have had some tournament appearances lately, maybe he wants to play Kentucky twice every year to get some revenge against them. The SEC is improving as a basketball conference, but I really think the Big East is a fun conference to play in. Hoping he decides he wants to play for Steele and Co, would love filling out our class with Tandy.



Lol, brewery near me makes a double chocolate porter called sex panther in Chandler Az. My wife got me their T-shirt with the beer logo on it and it still freaks people out at bars here.


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Stop that, you're gonna scare the children!

[XUGRAD80]

Xavier has just offered 2019 6’1” PG Andre Gordon, from Sydney, Ohio.

Does this mean that they aren’t so sure about Tandy? Or does it mean that they are trying to force his hand a little bit?

But then again, Gordon is supposed to be a solid player......maybe they want both?

[XU 87]

Xavier has just offered 2019 6’1” PG Andre Gordon, from Sydney, Ohio.

Does this mean that they aren’t so sure about Tandy? Or does it mean that they are trying to force his hand a little bit?

But then again, Gordon is supposed to be a solid player......maybe they want both?

X has offered three 2019 point guards scholarships. So I think it means, "Guys, the first one of you who commits gets the scholarship, and then we're done recruiting point guards for this class."

[Xuperman]

Xavier has just offered 2019 6’1” PG Andre Gordon, from Sydney, Ohio.

Does this mean that they aren’t so sure about Tandy? Or does it mean that they are trying to force his hand a little bit?

But then again, Gordon is supposed to be a solid player......maybe they want both?

https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/sidney-two-sport-standout-will-transfer-huntington-prep/Pr5g5PebcGE9jXvh0v29CM/

Looks like he will play at HP. That will definitely enhance his development. Maybe TS can mine talent from there on a regular basis!

[noteggs]

Gordon seems like a heck of an athlete. Being a dual threat in football and getting D1 offers (mid-level) is impressive. Doubt we’ll go after 2 more guards for the class because we have Bishop and Odom the following year. Of course you never, but this has been a very productive year in recruiting and a bit dicey at times with the decommits. What is also interesting, Myron Gardner (SF) also got thrown into the mix. Looks like he just became a high choice recruit for X.

[GIMMFD]

Gordon seems like a heck of an athlete. Being a dual threat in football and getting D1 offers (mid-level) is impressive. Doubt we’ll go after 2 more guards for the class because we have Bishop and Odom the following year. Of course you never, but this has been a very productive year in recruiting and a bit dicey at times with the decommits. What is also interesting, Myron Gardner (SF) also got thrown into the mix. Looks like he just became a high choice recruit for X.

I can't keep up with this stuff lmfao. We should know by like January/Febuary right? Is it a little like football where most guys put in their LOIs on "National Signing Day"?? I can't believe I don't know the answer to this, I guess I never really thought about it.

[noteggs]

I can't keep up with this stuff lmfao. We should know by like January/Febuary right? Is it a little like football where most guys put in their LOIs on "National Signing Day"?? I can't believe I don't know the answer to this, I guess I never really thought about it.

Why because you’re trying to be a doctor or something? If you’re on your ER rotation, you should have plenty of time to catch up...lol.

Ever since Wright went to small ball, not sure recruiting will be the same in our conference. IMHO, Steele is recruiting the best athletes (with defensive potential) available, while filling the necessary gaps.

[scoscox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kws5uLIgPpk

cool video with a lot of Freemantle highlights

[GIMMFD]

Why because you’re trying to be a doctor or something? If you’re on your ER rotation, you should have plenty of time to catch up...lol.

Ever since Wright went to small ball, not sure recruiting will be the same in our conference. IMHO, Steele is recruiting the best athletes (with defensive potential) available, while filling the necessary gaps.

Hahaha think they'll let me stream games in the OR??? That's what I'm looking forward to!!

Hmm, and I figured that much. Steele is doing great so far filling out the class and targeting good prospects, I was just wondering when we'd be safe to assume the class was complete (aka January/February), I think we'll still end up with a damn good class that I'm gonna be excited for. The Steele era has started out hot on the recruiting trail, if the on court product is just as good, we won't skip a beat.

[noteggs]

Hahaha think they'll let me stream games in the OR??? That's what I'm looking forward to!!

Hmm, and I figured that much. Steele is doing great so far filling out the class and targeting good prospects, I was just wondering when we'd be safe to assume the class was complete (aka January/February), I think we'll still end up with a damn good class that I'm gonna be excited for. The Steele era has started out hot on the recruiting trail, if the on court product is just as good, we won't skip a beat.

Early signing for basketball is November 14-21, 2018.

Regular signing is April 17- May 15, 2019.

Would assume we would know the bulk of the class from the early signing period.

[XUGRAD80]

Wouldn’t surprise me if one scholly was kept open and used for a grad transfer next spring/summer.

[XU22]

Xavier has just offered 2019 6’1” PG Andre Gordon, from Sydney, Ohio.

Does this mean that they aren’t so sure about Tandy? Or does it mean that they are trying to force his hand a little bit?

But then again, Gordon is supposed to be a solid player......maybe they want both?

I think Steele is just trying to cover the bases. Offer kids you like, and hope one of them jumps on board.

Having a good relationship with HP is not a bad play either, as they turn out good talent year after year.

Hoping Tandy visit goes well, I like his game a lot.

[GIMMFD]

Early signing for basketball is November 14-21, 2018.

Regular signing is April 17- May 15, 2019.

Would assume we would know the bulk of the class from the early signing period.

Okay, that's good for letting me know more about the time line, I'd assume everyone committed now would be signing in the early period, which would end up doing wonders for filling out the class.


Wouldn’t surprise me if one scholly was kept open and used for a grad transfer next spring/summer.

Yup, I could easily see this happening as well, we've done pretty well with grad transfers as of late, so it wouldn't be the worst thing to use one on a grad transfer, it's a mandatory "redshirt" almost which can help even out the scholarship situation a bit as well. It just really depends if Steele gets his guys or not, but you can't make kids commit to you, it just happens.

[noteggs]

Looks like we have another visitor this weekend. Gardner coming in on Friday for an official. With both Tandy and Gardner coming in for Muskie Madness, hope we can get a commit from one of them.

[Masterofreality]

Looks like we have another visitor this weekend. Gardner coming in on Friday for an official. With both Tandy and Gardner coming in for Muskie Madness, hope we can get a commit from one of them.

The elephant in the room is Harlan Beverly...who we all would really want, but who is slow walking any commitment.
I can only keep thinking that Tandy and Gardner are the backups, but if Tandy commits, you have to take it.

[XU22]

Andre Gordon who just got an X offer on October 10th just committed to Virginia Tech on his Official Visit.

https://247sports.com/Player/Andre-Gordon-90258/

[X-man]

From what I’ve seen, your last comment is correct. If Snow predicts, that’s a great sign he will. If others, I just see it as the player has high interest in X.

Snow just predicted Tandy to X. Snow's pick is listed on a "paid site", so I haven't seen the actual pick. However before Snow's pick today, Xavier was getting 4 of 6 picks, according to the free 247 site. Today, Xavier is getting 5 of 7 picks. You do the math.

[bleedXblue]

Snow just predicted Tandy to X. Snow's pick is listed on a "paid site", so I haven't seen the actual pick. However before Snow's pick today, Xavier was getting 4 of 6 picks, according to the free 247 site. Today, Xavier is getting 5 of 7 picks. You do the math.

I think KyKy knows that X wants him, but has a couple solid back ups if it doesnt work out......

[bobbiemcgee]

Rivals 100% X

[X-man]

Two more predictions for X today. Looking good for getting a commitment this weekend.

[XMuskieFTW]

He's set to commit Tuesday, so you have to think the fact that he's still visiting X this weekend with a decision date already set is a good sign.

[X-man]

He's set to commit Tuesday, so you have to think the fact that he's still visiting X this weekend with a decision date already set is a good sign.

Yep. Particularly given the three latest projections for his decision....all in the last two days.

[Masterofreality]

When Kyky went to Ole Miss, then didn't commit, then made sure he made is Official to X, I think the tea leaves then looked very good.

I'm really upset though that Harlan Beverly's Dad seemed to make sure the kid's decision was held up. If Kyky commits to X, you have to take him.
He's a 4 star from everything I've seen. Although I still discount stars as an indicator. Too easily manipulated.

[sirthought]

Both seems like worthy prospects, but from what I've seen I think Tandy is the stronger option. He's pretty athletic and seems to have a decent IQ for his age. Paired with Dwon Odom, that backcourt is going to be very strong in a couple years.

[Xville]

So, is Odom the pure point and KyKy more of an off guard that could play pg if needed?

[Lloyd Braun]

So, is Odom the pure point and KyKy more of an off guard that could play pg if needed?

Yes. Both are built for big east basketball. Beverly is a good player too but I feel we have enough guards that need to put on weight as it is (I still have some reservation with Kennedy and to a lesser extent Harden) ... KyKy can put the ball in the bucket at a high level and is explosive.

[XU22]

So, is Odom the pure point and KyKy more of an off guard that could play pg if needed?

Yep. KyKy can flat out put the ball in the hole and play both guard spots.

I think the staff gets it done this weekend and locks him up. Johnson is the lead on KyKy and he has done a great job.

I like Myron Gardner as well. Staff was in to see him today, also in to see 5 star 2020 Isaiah Jackson. They played for The Family together on the AAU circuit.

https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Jackson-46048447/

[scoscox]

The added bonus with Gardner is that he’s a priority target for uc. Tandy was as well before they got Curtis.

[noteggs]

Yes. Both are built for big east basketball. Beverly is a good player too but I feel we have enough guards that need to put on weight as it is (I still have some reservation with Kennedy and to a lesser extent Harden) ... KyKy can put the ball in the bucket at a high level and is explosive.

Completely agree with your assessment on Tandy and Odom on their physicality. As a senior in high school, Tandy is now physically ready to play Big East basketball. Curious, why do you have a bigger reservation on Kennedy vs Harden? Is it weight or a physical thing? At this point, hard to compare Freshman vs Sophomore. We know the struggles Harden had last year (not to say he can’t overcome and seems he’s improved this year). However, Kennedy has shown some promise as well, but of course has areas of opportunities.

Obviously 2018 was not our best year recruiting. However, James and Kennedy can be very good four year players for X. If you look at the two prep schools they played for last year, they both played with future 5 star recruits and were never expected to be the stars. Baker at Westlake and Brakefield for Huntington. Of course this can change quickly in college.

[IM4X]

I like good news and this sounds like some good news no matter which way it goes. I am impressed with all three prospects.
Eenie meenie miney mo... if we can take two more... let’s make it so.

[Lloyd Braun]

Completely agree with your assessment on Tandy and Odom on their physicality. As a senior in high school, Tandy is now physically ready to play Big East basketball. Curious, why do you have a bigger reservation on Kennedy vs Harden? Is it weight or a physical thing? At this point, hard to compare Freshman vs Sophomore. We know the struggles Harden had last year (not to say he can’t overcome and seems he’s improved this year). However, Kennedy has shown some promise as well, but of course has areas of opportunities.

Obviously 2018 was not our best year recruiting. However, James and Kennedy can be very good four year players for X. If you look at the two prep schools they played for last year, they both played with future 5 star recruits and were never expected to be the stars. Baker at Westlake and Brakefield for Huntington. Of course this can change quickly in college.

Reservations about putting weight on, not necessarily skills as a basketball player. Harden has put on some weight this year, and from all accounts has shown improvement. Kennedy has a narrower frame, and as a shooting guard he will be asked to defend some bigger guys in the big east if he wants to stay on the court.

[noteggs]

Reservations about putting weight on, not necessarily skills as a basketball player. Harden has put on some weight this year, and from all accounts has shown improvement. Kennedy has a narrower frame, and as a shooting guard he will be asked to defend some bigger guys in the big east if he wants to stay on the court.

That makes sense. Let’s hope Jennings can continue to work his magic! Man, I’m so glad Jennings stayed as well.

[principal]

Has there been any word on how Tandy's visit went?

Edit: I just read that he is supposed to make/announce his decision tomorrow afternoon.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Nice that we were last.

[xukeith]

I wonder why Elias H did not compete in the 3 point contest. Insulting that a walk on tried ahead of Harden.

[GIMMFD]

Has there been any word on how Tandy's visit went?

Edit: I just read that he is supposed to make/announce his decision tomorrow afternoon.

Hoping for some good news, would love to get outta shadowing and get an update he decided to choose X. Fingers crossed guys, for what's it worth the crystal ball is 82% for X, 18% for Ole Miss, with Evan Daniels saying X, and he's been 95% right so far!

[kellernr]

Its 12:11pm and nothing on twitter

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[XMuskieFTW]

Its 12:11pm and nothing on twitter

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Central time.

[kellernr]

Central time.Ya. Googled it after I posted

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[GoMuskies]

Woo hoo!

[X-man]

Woo hoo!

Yess!!!! here's a link:https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/xavier-adds-rivals150-guard-kyky-tandy

[Lloyd Braun]

KyKy reminds me a bit of Eric Bledsoe...

[kellernr]

Early signing period is a few weeks away right? Need to get them all signed.

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[novachap]

damn... you guys are killing it on the recruiting trail. Steele is delivering. congrats!

[XUGRAD80]

damn... you guys are killing it on the recruiting trail. Steele is delivering. congrats!

Still have to up the game it little bit to match Nova’s numbers, but it does look to be a solid class.

Welcome KyKy! We are happy to have you here! YES!

[bobbiemcgee]

"Tandy is considered to be among the favorites for the Kentucky Mr. Basketball award this year, alongside Pendleton County standout Dontaie Allen. He led UHA to the Sweet Sixteen state tournament last season as he averaged 30.5 points per game, including shooting nearly 48 percent from 3-point range." - Louisville Courier/Journal


WOW!!

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Congrats all around. Welcome to the X family, Mr. Tandy.

[surfxu]

Boom!! Great to land Xavier's #1 target for the class. Congrats to KyKy and to Steele and staff.

[xu82]

Great news! Welcome, sir! I can’t wait o see all this come together. Steele & company are indeed killing it on the recruiting trail.

[xukeith]

Ok.
Big Question:

When we root for him, asssuming he signs, will we yell, "Go KY!!" or "Go KyKy!!"?

[JTG]

Is it pronounced KeeKee ?

[bjf123]

Is it pronounced KeeKee ?

Yes, according to Shannon Russell.

One question. I haven’t followed closely the commits for next year, so I could be wrong. Aren’t we a little heavy at guard? I’m sure the coaches have it all worked out.


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[Musketeer]

Yes, according to Shannon Russell.

One question. I haven’t followed closely the commits for next year, so I could be wrong. Aren’t we a little heavy at guard? I’m sure the coaches have it all worked out.


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No, we have just the 2 guards in class of 19. Plus we are fairly thin at the G slots right now anyways.

[Xuperman]

Oh Man! This really takes the sting out of the Curtis debacle. Funny how these things work out. We will be able to see up close and personal, as these 2 will go head to head in the Shootout going forward!!! Possible Mr KY vs Mr OH basketball slugfest?

[IM4X]

Oh Man! This really takes the sting out of the Curtis debacle. Funny how these things work out. We will be able to see up close and personal, as these 2 will go head to head in the Shootout going forward!!! Possible Mr KY vs Mr OH basketball slugfest?

Not sure if anyone knows if Curtis openning up his conmitment was a decision that had nothing to do with other X commits or if Steele let it be known there were multiple guards he planned to go after but yes... it did seem to work out well for us in the end... meanwhile I believe Curtis is the only current 2019 commit for UC.

[IM4X]

More importantly, welcome to the X family KYKY.

Looking forward to seeing you become another great one and helping the team soar even higher.

[jaxalum]

Oh Man! This really takes the sting out of the Curtis debacle. Funny how these things work out. We will be able to see up close and personal, as these 2 will go head to head in the Shootout going forward!!! Possible Mr KY vs Mr OH basketball slugfest?

I really think Curtis would have recommited to X (if the coaches would have allowed it). When he pulled his verbal, it was in direct correlation with a significant jump in the rankings (top 90) and the evaluation periods/tournaments were on the horizon. He, or others in his camp, believed his talent level was above that of the defending Big East Champions, and that he would "blow up" during the eval periods, picking up higher level offers. He never did, and what's not a coincidence, is the day after X received a commitment from Odom (top 40 PG/Curtis wants to play PG) Curtis verballed to UC. Supposedly Curtis does not play to his strengths i.e. wants to be a PG, yet his skillset is that of an off the ball scoring guard.

I'm ecstatic with Tandy and believe he fills a huge need, and is a perfect fit with the current personnel. I'm sure we would have all been happy with Curtis as well. It will be interesting to see these two go at it over the next few years. Congrats to Travis and his staff for putting together a class that ensures the continued success of this program.

[Xuperman]

Hard to tell from highlight videos, just wondering if Tandy or Bishop have any PG potential ala Paul Scruggs. Man, it's a great day to be a Musketeer!!

[XUFan09]

Hard to tell from highlight videos, just wondering if Tandy or Bishop have any PG potential ala Paul Scruggs. Man, it's a great day to be a Musketeer!!Tandy fills could fill that role if need be, but he's more of combo guard and big-time scorer.

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[Xuperman]

Tandy fills could fill that role if need be, but he's more of combo guard and big-time scorer.

Yeah, at over 30 ppg he is an elite scorer! At that pace it doesn't leave much time to work on your facilitating skills, but hey if Odom reclassifies to 2019 we'll have all the bases covered!!

[XUFan09]

Yeah, at over 30 ppg he is an elite scorer! At that pace it doesn't leave much time to work on your facilitating skills, but hey if Odom reclassifies to 2019 we'll have all the bases covered!!Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking. Even though he's efficient, the dude is still taking a large chunk of his team's shots.

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[XUGRAD80]

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking. Even though he's efficient, the dude is still taking a large chunk of his team's shots.

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Small town, small school, doesn’t play a lot of big schools, best player on the team (maybe the state), he’s bound to be the man with the ball most of the time and to take the most shots. However, in his role as a member of an AAU team, he has shown PG skills. A la Q.

[Xuperman]

Small town, small school, doesn’t play a lot of big schools

http://uha-ky.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Universiity-Heights-Boys-Schedule-2018-19.xlsx

UHA is a private prep school that schedules a TON of specialty/tourney type games. I am assuming, to seek out the best competition. Doesn't appear they compete in a local conference. He will come in seasoned and ready!

[XUGRAD80]

http://uha-ky.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Universiity-Heights-Boys-Schedule-2018-19.xlsx

UHA is a private prep school that schedules a TON of specialty/tourney type games. I am assuming, to seek out the best competition. Doesn't appear they compete in a local conference. He will come in seasoned and ready!

Other than possibly the ones in Memphis and Evansville....I doubt that is true. Single A is the smallest school classification in Ky, and UHA is in that classification. Doesn’t mean that he isn’t a good player, or that the competition isn’t good at times, but overall it’s not going to be that great. There are no local conferences in Ky. Schools are split into districts, usually made up of 4 schools, then into 16 regions which are made up of 4 disctricts each. Understand that there is only about 3 1/2 million people in the whole state. The Cleveland area alone is larger than that! A single A school is any school with a total population of under 571 students in all grades, there are currently 39 schools in this classification around the state. UHA is one of them. The largest 36 schools make up the 4A classification. But all HS compete for ONE state championship. There are not separate championships for each designation. Some years back they started a separate all A tourney, just to give the small schools a chance to win a championship of some type, it it’s not considered a “state” championship. UHA is a school in Hopkinsville with a total k-12 enrollment of a little over 300, and there are only two other high schools in the area....Hopkinsville HS and one county HS. Most of the areas outside of Lexington, Louisville, and Northern KY. only have 1 HS per county. They have to travel to other areas of the state just to find someone to play. But those aren’t necessarily large tourneys with lots of out of state competition. Most are going to be just the opportunity for them to play someone outside their own district as part of a doubleheader or round robin type tourney of 4 teams.

[GoMuskies]

Some years back they started a separate all A tourney, just to give the small schools a chance to win a championship of some type, it it’s not considered a “state” championship.

And the first year they did it (I think) University Heights and some other team played in the championship game of both the All A Classic AND the Sweet 16. Oops!

[Xuperman]

Yeah, this lack of competition in rural KY angle came up when Q was a senior and a X recruit.

https://www.prephoops.com/2017/12/players-watch-lexington-catholic-traditional-bank-holiday-classic/

This Lexington tourney was loaded last year. Should be good again.

[Juice]

I really think Curtis would have recommited to X (if the coaches would have allowed it). When he pulled his verbal, it was in direct correlation with a significant jump in the rankings (top 90) and the evaluation periods/tournaments were on the horizon. He, or others in his camp, believed his talent level was above that of the defending Big East Champions, and that he would "blow up" during the eval periods, picking up higher level offers. He never did, and what's not a coincidence, is the day after X received a commitment from Odom (top 40 PG/Curtis wants to play PG) Curtis verballed to UC. Supposedly Curtis does not play to his strengths i.e. wants to be a PG, yet his skillset is that of an off the ball scoring guard.

I'm ecstatic with Tandy and believe he fills a huge need, and is a perfect fit with the current personnel. I'm sure we would have all been happy with Curtis as well. It will be interesting to see these two go at it over the next few years. Congrats to Travis and his staff for putting together a class that ensures the continued success of this program.

I think a lot of the issues with Curtis' recruitment had to do with what position he thought he was going to play and what coaches thought he was going to play.

[sirthought]

I'm excited about this class as it stands. I know things could change, and we'd still like to find a strong small forward, but how great is it to fortify both your back and front court with such strong prospects.

Tandy seems like such an impressive scorer, who might that take-over-the-game player everyone wants, but even before him these guys could really set the program up for a strong performance the next few years.

Between filling out the staff, finding useful graduate transfers, and recruiting rolling along this well, I'd say Steele gets an A+.

[X-man]

Next year, we will have 13 scholarship players with pretty good balance by class and position. As it stands, here are the frontcourt players (7) next year by class: Jones (Sr), Marshall, Hanson (Jr), James (So), Freemantle, Ramsey, Miles (Fr). And here are the guards (6) next season: Goodin (Sr), Scruggs, Harden (Jr), Kennedy (So), Tandy, Bishop (Fr). I could see Miles red-shirting unless he develops his senior year. But man, will we be loaded!

[drudy23]

When is official signing day?

[Xville]

Next year, we will have 13 scholarship players with pretty good balance by class and position. As it stands, here are the frontcourt players (7) next year by class: Jones (Sr), Marshall, Hanson (Jr), James (So), Freemantle, Ramsey, Miles (Fr). And here are the guards (6) next season: Goodin (Sr), Scruggs, Harden (Jr), Kennedy (So), Tandy, Bishop (Fr). I could see Miles red-shirting unless he develops his senior year. But man, will we be loaded!

This is assuming everyone comes back which is never guaranteed in this day and age of everyone declaring and/or leaving early, as well as transferring

[XUBison]

Other than possibly the ones in Memphis and Evansville....I doubt that is true. Single A is the smallest school classification in Ky, and UHA is in that classification. Doesn’t mean that he isn’t a good player, or that the competition isn’t good at times, but overall it’s not going to be that great. There are no local conferences in Ky. Schools are split into districts, usually made up of 4 schools, then into 16 regions which are made up of 4 disctricts each. Understand that there is only about 3 1/2 million people in the whole state. The Cleveland area alone is larger than that! A single A school is any school with a total population of under 571 students in all grades, there are currently 39 schools in this classification around the state. UHA is one of them. The largest 36 schools make up the 4A classification. But all HS compete for ONE state championship. There are not separate championships for each designation. Some years back they started a separate all A tourney, just to give the small schools a chance to win a championship of some type, it it’s not considered a “state” championship. UHA is a school in Hopkinsville with a total k-12 enrollment of a little over 300, and there are only two other high schools in the area....Hopkinsville HS and one county HS. Most of the areas outside of Lexington, Louisville, and Northern KY. only have 1 HS per county. They have to travel to other areas of the state just to find someone to play. But those aren’t necessarily large tourneys with lots of out of state competition. Most are going to be just the opportunity for them to play someone outside their own district as part of a doubleheader or round robin type tourney of 4 teams.

Population-
Greater metro Cleveland: 2,055,612
Kentucky: 4,425,092
The more you know...

[MHettel]

Best classes we’ve had were Tu, Frease, Lyons, Redford, and Walsh...

And

Trevon, JP, O’Mara, Austin, and London

If you get 3 guys that make it to be seniors, then the chances of team success are great.

This is a really good class, with the potential to merge with some great returning players.

Possibly the best so far....

[xu82]

When is official signing day?

Not soon enough!

[Muskeagle]

Not soon enough!

Agreed! But, officially, November 14th to 21st.

[GIMMFD]

Agreed! But, officially, November 14th to 21st.

Now just need all of these guys to submit the paperwork and get in, but damn this is a great feel to this class. Our backcourt is now going to be loaded, he can fill it up at high volume, and shooting from a great clip. I'd like to think we're going to be set for a couple deep runs in a few years guys. TRENDING UP.

[principal]

X has come a long way. I remember when landing a 4 star recruit deserved its own thread. ;)

[xukeith]

I remember TJ Johnson signing and he was ranked #99 by publications.
Oh the A10 recruits!
I loved TJ.

[GoMuskies]

TJ was an MCC recruit.

[XU 87]

TJ was an MCC recruit.

And his scoring average diminished every year, which is sort of a remarkable stat. Still a solid player and 4 year starter.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tj-johnson-1.html

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It was his technical at 5/3rd that started the comeback leading to the eventual Lenny Brown winning jumper.

[GoMuskies]

And his scoring average diminished every year, which is sort of a remarkable stat. Still a solid player and 4 year starter.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tj-johnson-1.html

It is pretty remarkable. I know the talent around him improved over those four years, but it's not like the guys he played with his freshman year were slouches. Larry Sykes played in the NBA (I didn't realize until just now it was only two total minutes, but that's still impressive). Pete Sears was a pretty decent 3. Massey and Hawk were total studs. You'd think if he could score 12 a game playing with those guys as a 19 year-old, he'd be able to do something similar as a 22 year-old. Nope.

[Xuperman]

It was his technical at 5/3rd that started the comeback leading to the eventual Lenny Brown winning jumper.

My most vivid memory of TJ was him getting viciously blocked by one of those twin Washington Huskies 7 footers to seal our loss in the '98 NCAA tourney.

[XU 87]

It is pretty remarkable. I know the talent around him improved over those four years, but it's not like the guys he played with his freshman year were slouches. Larry Sykes played in the NBA (I didn't realize until just now it was only two total minutes, but that's still impressive). Pete Sears was a pretty decent 3. Massey and Hawk were total studs. You'd think if he could score 12 a game playing with those guys as a 19 year-old, he'd be able to do something similar as a 22 year-old. Nope.

I tend to think that they just stopped using him much on the offensive end each year. On the other hand, I also seem to think that my "eyeball test" told me that he started putting on more weight and was less athletic as time went on, which may be why they stopped using him so much.

[XUGRAD80]

There’s almost always a place on a team for players like this.

[MHettel]

I really liked TJ as well. He was a Freshman when I was a Senior. Just looked at his stats. It's not often that you see a player that averaged more Rebounds than FG ATTEMPTED.

His stats are just strange to me. 11.9 pts, 5.3 rebs as a Freshman. Dropped to 5.5 and 3.6 as a Senior.

HOWEVER

His Freshman Assists and Steals were .7 and .6, and they were essentially doubled as a Senior to 1.6 & 1.4.

Just a weird career stat line.

He gave way to Braggs and Posey as a JR / SR, so maybe that cut into his PT. Darnell, Lenny and Lumpkin were on those teams too, so he didnt need to do too much scoring....

[sirthought]

I wonder what the status of Myron Gardner is? I would have guessed that after the madness event he might have committed like Tandy.

247Sports still shows crystal ball at 100% for Xavier, but he has offers from other programs that might have a bigger overall need at this time. (Minnesota has zero 2019 commits. GU and UC have one each.)

He seems like a strong kid, but not in any way a great shooter at this point. On the plus side, he's showing a great knack for putbacks and dunks off rebounds.

The Big East has become more of a shooters league (similar to NBA) and I'd say Gardner could be a bit of a project. Probably a good four-year kid and has nice size for a defender.

[kellernr]

How many open scholarships do we have left for 2019?

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[XUGRAD80]

How many open scholarships do we have left for 2019?

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Unless someone leaves unexpectedly or they don’t give Hansen a scholarship.....none by my count

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I show one. Hankins is one and gone.


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[XUGRAD80]

I show one. Hankins is one and gone.


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7 players currently on scholarship can return.
Jones
Naji
Q
Scrugs
Hardin
James
Kennedy

Hanson is currently a non-scholarship transfer, and is ineligible this year, but is expected to get one next year when he is eligible.

5 incoming freshman have verbally committed

that’s 13 scholarships

[sirthought]

I have heard nothing to say Hansen is getting a scholarship.

[XUFan09]

I have heard nothing to say Hansen is getting a scholarship.Yeah, sounds like he's a privileged walkon that will get a scholarship only if an extra one is available.

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[XUGRAD80]

I have heard nothing to say Hansen is getting a scholarship.

I guess we will see, but I always understood that was the plan. He was a scholarship player at Columbia. Find it hard to believe that he would walk away from there just to be a walk-on non-scholarship player somewhere else. Especially since it means sitting out for a year. But only time will tell.

Like I said above...IF he does get that scholarship and nobody leaves, X will be at their limit. If X get another commitment it would be a pretty good indication that one of those two things is going to change.

[bobbiemcgee]

All kinds of crazy shit can happen in a year.

[XUGRAD80]

All kinds of crazy shit can happen in a year.

Ain’t that the truth!

[GoMuskies]

I dont think the Ivy League does athletic scholarships (unless something has changed).

[sirthought]

They don't do athletic scholarships in the Ivy League. That said, I bet basketball players are getting some type of assistance.

From what I read about Columbia when researching Castlin and Hanson, the coach there seemed to be in the middle of a player revolt. Not sure what he did to upset people, but I think Hanson wanted a change and moving to a Big East school for just a chance at playing there might have sounded good if Steele asked about his interest. If his family was paying tuition at Columbia, Xavier would actually be a savings of about $20K per year.

Based on videos, I'm sure he could get a scholarship at other schools. And maybe a year of experienced Hanson on scholly is as good, or better, than a project like Gardner. Hanson has better size for the 3 spot. I have no idea about how their other qualities match up.


If 247Sports is still reporting him likely to commit here, I'd say something could be in play. I'm just surprised at this point that he wouldn't act if the school is hosting him for an official visit. Steele does have to stock up for the future if someone goes down or leaves.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Some Ivy schools don’t give scholarships and some do.


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[XUFan09]

If 247Sports is still reporting him likely to commit here, I'd say something could be in play. I'm just surprised at this point that he wouldn't act if the school is hosting him for an official visit. Steele does have to stock up for the future if someone goes down or leaves.

Gardner has no competition against other 2019 Xavier prospects at his position and has other official visits scheduled. He might commit to X before those visits, but he doesn't *need* to do so.

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[bobbiemcgee]

There's only 1 prediction from the UK guy on 247. Hardly a lock.

[Xuperman]

If Harden doesn't contribute a lot more this year, wouldn't he be a transfer candidate? Both our 2019 freshman guards look like they can play some right away.

[XUGRAD80]

Actually I never said ATHLETIC scholarship, I just said scholarship. From all reports that I have seen, he was on scholarship to attend Columbia. For all I know he is getting some type of academic scholarship or grant to attend X. Last I heard, 100% of the students at X were getting some type of aid...scholarship, grant, loans, etc. So it’s certainly not inconceivable that he would continue to attend X if he wasn’t on an athletic scholarship. But I don’t think it likely that he is going to get a full ride academic scholarship for 3 years, and he most certainly had opportunities to attend other schools on athletic scholarships. One does not normally leave an Ivy League school, like Columbia, for a better education elsewhere, like X. So I think it’s safe to say that he wanted better athletic opportunities, not a better educational experience. (Even if X in the Harvard of the Midwest!) Certainly, IF he is on a full ride Academic scholarship that would open up another Athletic scholarship for 2019. But I would think that IF he was on that full ride Academic scholarship it would have been mentioned in articles written when he transferred. I looked back over some of them and I didn’t see any mention of him getting anything along that line. This leaves the question....Why would someone leave a full ride in an Ivy League schoool to pay there own way for 3 years at a small school in the Midwest as a walkon to the basketball team, when they have the opportunity to go to other schools on full athletic scholarship? Doesn’t make any sense to me that he wasn’t promised some type of athletic scholarship for the future by X. Guess we will just have to wait and see what happens and how it all shakes out.

Isn’t it nicer to discuss just how X will take care of so many players, vs discussing why X can’t fill out the roster?

[X-man]

They don't do athletic scholarships in the Ivy League. That said, I bet basketball players are getting some type of assistance.

From what I read about Columbia when researching Castlin and Hanson, the coach there seemed to be in the middle of a player revolt. Not sure what he did to upset people, but I think Hanson wanted a change and moving to a Big East school for just a chance at playing there might have sounded good if Steele asked about his interest. If his family was paying tuition at Columbia, Xavier would actually be a savings of about $20K per year.

Based on videos, I'm sure he could get a scholarship at other schools. And maybe a year of experienced Hanson on scholly is as good, or better, than a project like Gardner. Hanson has better size for the 3 spot. I have no idea about how their other qualities match up.


If 247Sports is still reporting him likely to commit here, I'd say something could be in play. I'm just surprised at this point that he wouldn't act if the school is hosting him for an official visit. Steele does have to stock up for the future if someone goes down or leaves.

I think having Hanson for next year is critical. Hankins leaves meaning we have only Jones at center with experience. Naji and James are both frontcourt players, but we will need another experienced player to help Jones. I like having Hanson on board to ease the transition for our incoming bigs next season.

[XUGRAD80]

Hanson is listed at 6’6” and 215lbs....not really a “big”, so I’m not so sure he will help much in that department. My GUESS would be that X would keep any scholly they MIGHT have open, for use on an experienced grad transfer that can play the front court.

[Xuperman]

7 players currently on scholarship can return.
Jones
Naji
Q
Scrugs
Hardin
James
Kennedy

Hanson is currently a non-scholarship transfer, and is ineligible this year, but is expected to get one next year when he is eligible.

5 incoming freshman have verbally committed

that’s 13 scholarships

Schrand needs to be added to your above list. He is on scholarship and will play next year. Guessing his scholly is just this year though. I think we will have 1 red shirt, 1 transfer and maybe even 1 decommit ala Ridder.

[XUGRAD80]

Schrand needs to be added to your above list. He is on scholarship and will play next year. Guessing his scholly is just this year though. I think we will have 1 red shirt, 1 transfer and maybe 1 decommit ala Ridder.

I think you are correct that it is a one year only thing for Schrand. Not so sure that Miles will redshirt as some have speculated. X may need his size. He plays in school near me, so I hope to see him play a couple of times this year and get a better idea of where he’s at right now. I certainly hope that he is more impressive than Walters was when I saw him play. As prevalent as transfers are, it would surprise me more if there isn’t one, than if there is one.

[XUGRAD80]

X has already had a couple of decommits....hope there are no more

[Xuperman]

Very cool! Please give us a scouting report on Miles asap.

[XUGRAD80]

Both Walton-Verona (Miles) and University Heights Academy (Tandy) are in the King of Bluegrass Tourney this year, and both of those schools will also be participating in the all A school tournament. If there is a chance to see them play each other somewhere down the line, that would be ideal.

[xavier513]

Shannon reported a few weeks ago that walk-ons Schrand and Hanson received one year scholarships for this season. Hanson will be a walk on player next season, unless there's an open scholarship and Steele wants to give it to him again. I think he's in the vein of Stenger/Amos. In a perfect world, you're not playing those guys very much. If everyone returns next year, plus 5 freshman, there's still one open scholarship for 2019-2020, but spots tend to open up.

[X-band '01]

Some Ivy schools don’t give scholarships and some do.


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That would be news to me if any Ivy League schools offered athletic scholarships.

The Patriot League used to have a similar model where they only offered academic or need-based scholarships, but their membership gradually phased in athletic scholarships at the turn of the century (i.e. Holy Cross, Lehigh).

[Muskeagle]

My daughter is looking into applying to several Ivy League schools. They all seem to have need based scholarships with the following policy: if you are admitted, they will find as much funding as is needed....potentially giving you a full ride. I'm sure "need" can be tweaked to include any athlete on a full scholarship. They are not technically athletic scholarships, but they will find a way to pay for your schooling.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I think you are correct that it is a one year only thing for Schrand. Not so sure that Miles will redshirt as some have speculated. X may need his size. He plays in school near me, so I hope to see him play a couple of times this year and get a better idea of where he’s at right now. I certainly hope that he is more impressive than Walters was when I saw him play. As prevalent as transfers are, it would surprise me more if there isn’t one, than if there is one.

Miles is way behind where Jake was physically, in terms of being college-ready with his body. Now, he is off the charts athletically, but he makes Makinde London's physique (his freshman year) look bulky.

Jake would have helped this team this year, certainly in specialty situations like baseline out of bounds. Not to mention, anyone who watched him get the better of Texas-bound Hayes last year at CovCath would have seen what raw size and physicality can accomplish. Plus, he was (is, just not here) a great passer from the post.

[XUGRAD80]

I can only relate what I personally saw from Walters in the two games I saw him play in the regional tournament. I never saw him play in any other games, but in those two he wasn’t impressive to say the least. Since there is 0% chance that he will ever see the floor for Xavier I see no reason to make any other comment regarding his abilities.

I haven’t seen anything of Miles yet, so I won’t comment on him at this point.

[GIMMFD]

Miles is way behind where Jake was physically, in terms of being college-ready with his body. Now, he is off the charts athletically, but he makes Makinde London's physique (his freshman year) look bulky.

Jake would have helped this team this year, certainly in specialty situations like baseline out of bounds. Not to mention, anyone who watched him get the better of Texas-bound Hayes last year at CovCath would have seen what raw size and physicality can accomplish. Plus, he was (is, just not here) a great passer from the post.

Looks like Miles is 6'10, 210lbs according to the 247 site, which seems pretty thin, definitely hope the coaches sent him a work out and nutrition plan to add some weight even before he gets here, checked back to see what Makinde was when he committed and he was 6'10, 195 lbs. Though 15 lbs of muscle is a lot sometimes you can't see it with the naked eye, he doesn't have a lot of offers, anybody know if he's supposed to be a pretty late bloomer? Think he'll shoot up from 245 overall in the rankings? I know really nothing about him.

As for Walter, he definitely would have helped just being able to spell a few minutes for Rique and Hankins due to sheer size in itself, while everything that is going on is unfortunate and what not, the depth could have been used, I wonder how good Dontarius James is going to be, hopefully enough to at least add some quality minutes at the 4 if necessary, our front court depth sucks this year, I'm glad Steele got Freemantle and Miles in the mix, but I'm hoping that we build forward even more in the 2020 class, a guy like Dawson Garcia would be pretty awesome if Coach Johnson was somehow able to pull that off.


EDIT: Just kind of glanced at the 2019 Prospects, and it has Tre Mitchell and Lester Quinones as interested, and warm on the interest meter, anybody know anything about this??

[Juice]

Miles is way behind where Jake was physically, in terms of being college-ready with his body. Now, he is off the charts athletically, but he makes Makinde London's physique (his freshman year) look bulky.

Jake would have helped this team this year, certainly in specialty situations like baseline out of bounds. Not to mention, anyone who watched him get the better of Texas-bound Hayes last year at CovCath would have seen what raw size and physicality can accomplish. Plus, he was (is, just not here) a great passer from the post.

No he wouldn't have. Everyone was saying that he was a likely candidate to redshirt.

[XUFan09]

As for Walter, he definitely would have helped just being able to spell a few minutes for Rique and Hankins due to sheer size in itself, while everything that is going on is unfortunate and what not, the depth could have been used, I wonder how good Dontarius James is going to be, hopefully enough to at least add some quality minutes at the 4 if necessary, our front court depth sucks this year, I'm glad Steele got Freemantle and Miles in the mix, but I'm hoping that we build forward even more in the 2020 class, a guy like Dawson Garcia would be pretty awesome if Coach Johnson was somehow able to pull that off.

Daniel Ramsey is also coming in for the frontcourt in 2019.

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[xufan02]

Hanson is listed at 6’6” and 215lbs....not really a “big”, so I’m not so sure he will help much in that department. My GUESS would be that X would keep any scholly they MIGHT have open, for use on an experienced grad transfer that can play the front court.

Xavier is not going to take a grad transfer in the front court; with Tyrique and three signees that can play the position. Freemantle, Ramsey, and Miles are coming to Xavier to play. Between the three of them you can get 15-18 solid minutes. Also, Xavier is not allocating 5 roster spots for the center position.

Between these 4 players; Naji and James our front court is GTG.

[BandAid]

Looks like Miles is ...doesn't have a lot of offers, anybody know if he's supposed to be a pretty late bloomer? Think he'll shoot up from 245 overall in the rankings? I know really nothing about him.


He was JV as a freshman, and was injured for an entire season (can't remember if it was sophomore or junior year). Plus he's from a small school in Kentucky. This suppressed a lot of eyeballs on him. General consensus is he has a ton of potential, but is incredibly raw.

[sirthought]

Y'all who keep bringing up James to play the 4 are crazy. Only in some kind of desperate situation, but not even for spells.

[Xuperman]

Call me crazy. 1st of all, it is yet to be seen if he will play much at any position......he's a freshman. BUT, based on what I saw at the Madness, he is quick, athletic and very physical. I was blown away with how nice his 3 ball looked and he shot it with confidence! Played with a lot speed and energy on defense so shouldn't be a liability there. So, what's your point?

[XUFan09]

Y'all who keep bringing up James to play the 4 are crazy. Only in some kind of desperate situation, but not even for spells.What position do you think he'll play?

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[XUGRAD80]

Positionless basketball is becoming more and more prevalent in the college scene, so the numbers don’t mean quite what they used to. Being multidimensional as a player is becoming much more important.

How under the radar has Miles been? I live 10 miles away from Walton, Ky and up until this past summer I had never even heard about him. All the talk had been about Walters at Covington Catholic and Allen at Pendleton Co. HS. Evidently he missed the AAU circuit and a full year of HS ball because of injury, but is healthy and ready to go now. Many of the kY high school basketalll “experts” say he is one of the top players in the state. Only time will tell. He will certainly have the height advantage over almost everyone he will face, but then so did the other big guy. Don’t know anything about his teammates or what kind of system his coach plays. Will he be the go to guy for his team? I have no idea. Jake W was not, and his numbers showed that.

Love was really raw when he came to X, big but not very skilled or mobile. He worked his butt off and became a really good post player. That’s why he remains a favorite of many. David Grant was virtually unknown too, and he played at a small school in Ohio about 30-40 miles from X’s campus. He turned out alright, didn’t he? There have been lots of under the radar kids come to X as unknowns and become really good or even great players. I hope that Miles is the next in line for this kind of story.

[94GRAD]

positionless basketball is becoming more and more prevalent in the college scene, so the numbers don’t mean quite what they used to. Being multidimensional as a player is becoming much more important.

How under the radar has miles been? I live 10 miles away from walton, ky and up until this past summer i had never even heard about him. All the talk had been about walters at covington catholic and allen at pendleton co. Hs. Evidently he missed the aau circuit and a full year of hs ball because of injury, but is healthy and ready to go now. Many of the ky high school basketalll “experts” say he is one of the top players in the state. Only time will tell. He will certainly have the height advantage over almost everyone he will face, but then so did the other big guy. Don’t know anything about his teammates or what kind of system his coach plays. Will he be the go to guy for his team? I have no idea. Jake w was not, and his numbers showed that.

Love was really raw when he came to x, big but not very skilled or mobile. He worked his butt off and became a really good post player. That’s why he remains a favorite of many. Brian grant was virtually unknown too, and he played at a small school in ohio about 30-40 miles from x’s campus. He turned out alright, didn’t he? There have been lots of under the radar kids come to x as unknowns and become really good or even great players. I hope that miles is the next in line for this kind of story.

ftfy

[bleedXblue]

Positionless basketball is becoming more and more prevalent in the college scene, so the numbers don’t mean quite what they used to. Being multidimensional as a player is becoming much more important.

How under the radar has Miles been? I live 10 miles away from Walton, Ky and up until this past summer I had never even heard about him. All the talk had been about Walters at Covington Catholic and Allen at Pendleton Co. HS. Evidently he missed the AAU circuit and a full year of HS ball because of injury, but is healthy and ready to go now. Many of the kY high school basketalll “experts” say he is one of the top players in the state. Only time will tell. He will certainly have the height advantage over almost everyone he will face, but then so did the other big guy. Don’t know anything about his teammates or what kind of system his coach plays. Will he be the go to guy for his team? I have no idea. Jake W was not, and his numbers showed that.

Love was really raw when he came to X, big but not very skilled or mobile. He worked his butt off and became a really good post player. That’s why he remains a favorite of many. David Grant was virtually unknown too, and he played at a small school in Ohio about 30-40 miles from X’s campus. He turned out alright, didn’t he? There have been lots of under the radar kids come to X as unknowns and become really good or even great players. I hope that Miles is the next in line for this kind of story.

David Grant......I must have missed those 4 years in a drunken stooper....LOL

[XUGRAD80]

David Grant......I must have missed those 4 years in a drunken stooper....LOL

Very early in the morning and only 1/2 way through my 1st cup of coffee......that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :)

[Juice]

Y'all who keep bringing up James to play the 4 are crazy. Only in some kind of desperate situation, but not even for spells.

He's the same height a Naji but stronger and with more weight. If you think it's his experience level guarding other players that size then I can see your argument but physically he is big enough.

[XUFan09]

He's the same height a Naji but stronger and with more weight. If you think it's his experience level guarding other players that size then I can see your argument but physically he is big enough.Yep. I also like that people are crazy for suggesting James will play the 4, when this was his team's lineup for Musketeer Madness:

Paul Scruggs
Keonte Kennedy
Kyle Castlin
Dontarius James
Tyrique Jones

I guess Castlin was playing the 4.

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[ArizonaXUGrad]

James is the same height but 12 pounds lighter than Marshall.


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[GIMMFD]

He was JV as a freshman, and was injured for an entire season (can't remember if it was sophomore or junior year). Plus he's from a small school in Kentucky. This suppressed a lot of eyeballs on him. General consensus is he has a ton of potential, but is incredibly raw.

Ahh okay, thanks for the background info, basically a very high ceiling guy, I like that, maybe he'll turn out into a damn good player, but at the worst we have some good depth in the front court, and you can never have too much depth with the nature of injuries and how that thing goes. Hopefully, he builds on his physique and game throughout the year, and Coach Hayes can transform him into a beast like he's done with a lot of big men in his tenure at Georgia.


Yep. I also like that people are crazy for suggesting James will play the 4, when this was his team's lineup for Musketeer Madness:

Paul Scruggs
Keonte Kennedy
Kyle Castlin
Dontarius James
Tyrique Jones

I guess Castlin was playing the 4.

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Yeah, I really don't see why James couldn't play some 4, the game is evolving to positionless basketball as XUGrad80 said, he's got the size for it, and could be really well utilized when we wanna space the court and try to have some room to operate the offense, I don't see why he couldn't play a little 4

[XUGRAD80]

Wouldn’t surprise me if we see various combinations of players at different times during the year, with all of the players filling more than one position at different times during the season. Versatility is going to be a key moving forward, and the more different positions a player can fill is going to be a key to them getting more playing time. Especially how many different places they can be effective on defense in.

[GIMMFD]

Wouldn’t surprise me if we see various combinations of players at different times during the year, with all of the players filling more than one position at different times during the season. Versatility is going to be a key moving forward, and the more different positions a player can fill is going to be a key to them getting more playing time. Especially how many different places they can be effective on defense in.

Well the biggest thing we'll need versatility for is stopping Nova, because they space the floor so well and all of their players are so interchangeable, they really perfected how to play small ball efficiently, so the more versatility our guys have, the bit easier the match up will be.

[XUGRAD80]

My feeling exactly.

Coaches love to steal concepts from others that are successful. It’s becoming more important that a player can play multiple positions, sometimes even on alternative possessions! The “combo” guard is becoming much more valuable than someone that is only a passer, or only a scorer. Wings, that can play off the ball and with the ball, that can drive and shoot, that can pass or post up, are becoming the norm. Importantly too is the ability to DEFEND multiple positions. Nova has been very successful in getting the matchups that benefit themselves because their players can switch positions with ease, and have multiple skill sets.

Someone like Gates, who seemed only interested in playing on the outside and shooting long range, would not fit into the Nova system. It’s not really “positionless” basketball as much as it is “multiple positions” basketball. Players must be able to switch between positions multiple times during a game, even sometimes within a single possession. The more capable that the players are at doing this, and the more players of this type that a team has, the more successful they have the potential to be.

[paulxu]

I just don't know why we automatically assume Gates was "only interested in playing outside."

Maybe that's were Mack wanted him.

[JTG]

I just don't know why we automatically assume Gates was "only interested in playing outside."

Maybe that's were Mack wanted him.

So Mack sabotaged Gates career ? Seems like quite a stretch.

[Lloyd Braun]

When healthy Gates was one of the best shooters on the team. Putting him on the block is just dumb. You score more points by shooting and making more 3s these days and that’s just the facts of the game today. Shooting midrange jumpers is inefficient. Layups/dunks and 3s is where it’s at (for now).

[paulxu]

So Mack sabotaged Gates career ? Seems like quite a stretch.

I did not imply that.

[xukeith]

I imagine when Gates was in, X had him stand around perimeter for 3's.
He would never of played if X asked him to post up and he refused.

[XUFan09]

My feeling exactly.

Coaches love to steal concepts from others that are successful. It’s becoming more important that a player can play multiple positions, sometimes even on alternative possessions! The “combo” guard is becoming much more valuable than someone that is only a passer, or only a scorer. Wings, that can play off the ball and with the ball, that can drive and shoot, that can pass or post up, are becoming the norm. Importantly too is the ability to DEFEND multiple positions. Nova has been very successful in getting the matchups that benefit themselves because their players can switch positions with ease, and have multiple skill sets.

Someone like Gates, who seemed only interested in playing on the outside and shooting long range, would not fit into the Nova system. It’s not really “positionless” basketball as much as it is “multiple positions” basketball. Players must be able to switch between positions multiple times during a game, even sometimes within a single possession. The more capable that the players are at doing this, and the more players of this type that a team has, the more successful they have the potential to be.Lol Gates would have played in the Villanova system. It's a small-ball system predicated on three-point shooting and spacing. A guy at the 4 hanging around the three-point line contributes significantly to that setup.

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[XUGRAD80]

Lol Gates would have played in the Villanova system......... A guy at the 4 hanging around the three-point line contributes significantly.

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Really? And just whom is the player that Nova has had that they have had do that? I can’t think of any off of the top of my head.


By way, I wasn’t trying to say anything bad about Gates. I don’t know if he could have played inside or not, didn’t want to, or if X didn’t want him doing it. I’m was using him as an example of the type of player and system that X (and college basketball) is moving away from.....a player with a limited skill set and/or a system where a player is asked to do only one thing or play one position.

[XUFan09]

Really? And just whom is the player that Nova has had that they have had do that? I can’t think of any off of the top of my head.


By way, I wasn’t trying to say anything bad about Gates. I don’t know if he could have played inside or not, didn’t want to, or if X didn’t want him doing it. I’m was using him as an example of the type of player and system that X (and college basketball) is moving away from.....a player with a limited skill set and/or a system where a player is asked to do only one thing or play one position.

A 6'8" guy whose primary role is to shoot the three and defend multiple positions on the other end is a perfect role player for the Villanova system. If the skillset doesn't expand beyond that, he just remains a role player. The guys with more refined skillsets become the stars.

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[xufan02]

Kaiser was a above average shooter, had quick feet to guard multiple positions on defense. However, his lack of a handle and his general feel for the game was pretty weak.

[XUFan09]

Kaiser was a above average shooter, had quick feet to guard multiple positions on defense. However, his lack of a handle and his general feel for the game was pretty weak.Yep. If he had improved his handle and feel for the game, he would have played a larger role within positionless basketball.

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[xu82]

Yep. If he had improved his handle and feel for the game, he would have played a larger role within positionless basketball.

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His handle looked encouraging at points last year, and he attacked the basket.


Then it stopped. It was brief, but it was there. Odd.

[noteggs]

Y'all who keep bringing up James to play the 4 are crazy. Only in some kind of desperate situation, but not even for spells.

Do you mean 5? IMO, James will be primarily used as a stretch 4 this year (if he gets minutes based on his development). The kid has the strength and jump shot to handle it. Only questions are can James pick up the system and if he does, how many minutes will he get. Hankins and Jones both pick up foul trouble, I can see him giving us a few minutes at the 5. At that point, what’s our choices?

[XUFan09]

His handle looked encouraging at points last year, and he attacked the basket.


Then it stopped. It was brief, but it was there. Odd.He was basically reliable for straight-line drives off a bad closeout. It's a useful skill for a shooter, one that I wished he utilized more often.

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[GIMMFD]

He was basically reliable for straight-line drives off a bad closeout. It's a useful skill for a shooter, one that I wished he utilized more often.

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Yeah I agree, I liked it when Kaiser put on the floor and attacked, because he looked really good doing it, but after a couple games he reverted back to just sitting and launching, he was so streaky, when he was confident in his shot he was damn good, but if he was off, he just looked lost at times. Unfortunate though, this team coulda used Kaiser this year.

[XUBison]

Weird how many threads have devolved into this exact same debate. Seems Kaiser epitomized the cliche, a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

[paulxu]

Maybe the Bulls should have kept Kaiser on the roster to guard Thompson last night.

[XU 87]

this team coulda used Kaiser this year.

Kaiser was a bit limited offensively, but he was a decent defender who could guard out on the wing. That will be missed.

[xukeith]

Weird how many threads have devolved into this exact same debate. Seems Kaiser epitomized the cliche, a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

Aaron Williams also was a mystery disappearing act. He was good then a no show all in the same game. Glad the NBA worked for him!

[GIMMFD]

Kaiser was a bit limited offensively, but he was a decent defender who could guard out on the wing. That will be missed.

Would have also been another outside threat, which would have been nice since who knows what we really have there and how much Q, Scruggs, Marshall, etc. have improved on that front, but yes, good defender with good size, athletic. Oh well, what can you do, just excited for this year, and this new class coming in!

[xukeith]

Do you mean 5? IMO, James will be primarily used as a stretch 4 this year (if he gets minutes based on his development). The kid has the strength and jump shot to handle it. Only questions are can James pick up the system and if he does, how many minutes will he get. Hankins and Jones both pick up foul trouble, I can see him giving us a few minutes at the 5. At that point, what’s our choices?

Naji picked up the system last year.

[XUFan09]

Naji picked up the system last year.What does that have to do with James picking up the system?

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[XUGRAD80]

In the interview with Shannon, Travis says that James is physically ready....weighs 222 with 6% body fat. At 6-7/6-8 and 222, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him playing down low at least some of the time.

[xukeith]

Just because he is a frosh does NOT mean he cannot pick up the system. If he mentally can do it and gets better as December hits, we shall see.

[XUFan09]

Just because he is a frosh does NOT mean he cannot pick up the system. If he mentally can do it and gets better as December hits, we shall see.No one ever said he couldn't pick up the system. Because he is physically ready for the D1 level, though, how well he picks up the system will significantly impact how much he plays. Thus, "if" he can pick up the system, then he will be able to contribute.

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[GIMMFD]

In the interview with Shannon, Travis says that James is physically ready....weighs 222 with 6% body fat. At 6-7/6-8 and 222, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him playing down low at least some of the time.

Jesus 6% body fat?? What the hell are they feeding these kids??

[noteggs]

No one ever said he couldn't pick up the system. Because he is physically ready for the D1 level, though, how well he picks up the system will significantly impact how much he plays. Thus, "if" he can pick up the system, then he will be able to contribute.

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Thanks UXFAN09 think you nailed it!

From Steele on media day according to local 9 in Cincinnati:

“We want to develop our bench and play at least eight guys,” Steele said. “There’s a huge learning curve for the freshmen. Keonte has put on about 10 pounds of muscle, but he can shoot the ball. Dontarius, same thing. Physically he’s ready. It’s just about having the game slow down for him.”

No big surprise and as stated, Dontarius just needs to learn the system (curve). Think he has the tools and his HS coach at Huntington Prep stated as much with continued development. Still love his potential and what he did at Madness.

Question remains when Steele talks about 8 man rotation, who’s in that mix - Kennedy, James or Harden?

Awesome to see Kennedy pick up 10 pounds of muscle because he really needed it!

[GIMMFD]

Thanks UXFAN09 think you nailed it!

From Steele on media day according to local 9 in Cincinnati:

“We want to develop our bench and play at least eight guys,” Steele said. “There’s a huge learning curve for the freshmen. Keonte has put on about 10 pounds of muscle, but he can shoot the ball. Dontarius, same thing. Physically he’s ready. It’s just about having the game slow down for him.”

No big surprise and as stated, Dontarius just needs to learn the system (curve). Think he has the tools and his HS coach at Huntington Prep stated as much with continued development. Still love his potential and what he did at Madness.

Question remains when Steele talks about 8 man rotation, who’s in that mix - Kennedy, James or Harden?

Awesome to see Kennedy pick up 10 pounds of muscle because he really needed it!

It's been said before, but I'll say it again, really glad we kept Jennings from moving to Louisville, think he's excellent at getting these guys bodies in great shape, and helping them work on that aspect, it'll pay off dividends for all of the guys who put effort into the Strength & Conditioning programs.

[X-man]

Thanks UXFAN09 think you nailed it!

From Steele on media day according to local 9 in Cincinnati:

“We want to develop our bench and play at least eight guys,” Steele said. “There’s a huge learning curve for the freshmen. Keonte has put on about 10 pounds of muscle, but he can shoot the ball. Dontarius, same thing. Physically he’s ready. It’s just about having the game slow down for him.”

No big surprise and as stated, Dontarius just needs to learn the system (curve). Think he has the tools and his HS coach at Huntington Prep stated as much with continued development. Still love his potential and what he did at Madness.

Question remains when Steele talks about 8 man rotation, who’s in that mix - Kennedy, James or Harden?

Awesome to see Kennedy pick up 10 pounds of muscle because he really needed it!

An eight man rotation likely includes Q, Jones, Scruggs, Marshall, Hankins, James, plus some mix of Castlin, Harden, Welage, and Kennedy. If I had to bet on which of these four were most likely to be players seven and eight, it would be Harden and Castlin.

[XU3232]

An eight man rotation likely includes Q, Jones, Scruggs, Marshall, Hankins, James, plus some mix of Castlin, Harden, Welage, and Kennedy. If I had to bet on which of these four were most likely to be players seven and eight, it would be Harden and Castlin.

Castlin is going to be a starter and will probably be playing around 20 minutes a game.. he is easily in the 8 man rotation.

[xukeith]

Castlin is going to be a starter and will probably be playing around 20 minutes a game.. he is easily in the 8 man rotation.

Agree. He is a team captain too voted by the players.

I say the core returning 4 plus the 3 grad transfers, add James or Hardin and we shall see. Usually in November and December, X plays all 10 then come BE play, X will be an 8 man rotation barring injuries.

[X-man]

Agree. He is a team captain too voted by the players.

I say the core returning 4 plus the 3 grad transfers, add James or Hardin and we shall see. Usually in November and December, X plays all 10 then come BE play, X will be an 8 man rotation barring injuries.
James will see minutes ahead of Welage for sure. And I agree that Castlin will see more minutes than either Harden or Kennedy. My prediction for starters are Q (when healthy...not necessarily tonight), Scruggs, Marshall, Ty, and Hankins. First off the bench in the backcourt...Castlin. First off the bench in the frontcourt....James.

[XUFan09]

James will see minutes ahead of Welage for sure.

Welage's defense is going to make me cringe at times this year, but I'm still confident that the season will expose this as a really bad take.

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[XU3232]

Welage's defense is going to make me cringe at times this year, but I'm still confident that the season will expose this as a really bad take.

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Yep... I think Welage will see a lot more playing time than James.

[Xuperman]

Castlin, Harden, Welage, and Kennedy. If I had to bet on which of these four were most likely to be players seven and eight, it would be Harden and Castlin.

You do realize Welage has scored nearly 1300 DIVISION 1 points in 3 years and is the ALL TIME 3 point shooter for the school. That kind of weapon will be utilized early and often. As far as Harden role going forward, I see him in direct competition with Kennedy for the same limited minutes. In fact, unfortunately I am predicting Kennedy will win that battle and along with seeing the two 2019 four star guys in the rear view, he will transfer. Hope I am wrong and he is the second coming of BJ Raymond.

[XMuskieFTW]

James will see minutes ahead of Welage for sure. And I agree that Castlin will see more minutes than either Harden or Kennedy. My prediction for starters are Q (when healthy...not necessarily tonight), Scruggs, Marshall, Ty, and Hankins. First off the bench in the backcourt...Castlin. First off the bench in the frontcourt....James.

James hasn't picked up the system yet. Until he does, he's not going to play regular minutes. Tyrique and Hankins won't start together. That's just asking for game long foul trouble. Castlin will start. I expect Scruggs Naji and Q to all play 32-34 minutes. Ty Hankins and Castlin will probably all be in the 20-24 range. Welage 16-20. Then about 15 minutes combined from James Harden and Kennedy. Really need one of those guys to step up.

[X-man]

Yep... I think Welage will see a lot more playing time than James.

Not a believer in Welage after seeing him in practice. Hope I am wrong. But James is the real deal. Think Naji last season. If Hankins comes off the bench because Ty is on the court, then James starts.

[bleedXblue]

Not a believer in Welage after seeing him in practice. Hope I am wrong. But James is the real deal. Think Naji last season. If Hankins comes off the bench because Ty is on the court, then James starts.

James is not nearly as athletic as Naji..........just saying.

[XMuskieFTW]

Not a believer in Welage after seeing him in practice. Hope I am wrong. But James is the real deal. Think Naji last season. If Hankins comes off the bench because Ty is on the court, then James starts.

You are vastly overhyping a guy and undervaluing another after seeing one practice. Dontarius doesn't know the system yet. He's constantly out of position in practice and didn't play much at all in the scrimmage against OSU because of it. He's much closer to not getting off the bench than he is to starting.

[XUFan09]

You are vastly overhyping a guy and undervaluing another after seeing one practice. Dontarius doesn't know the system yet. He's constantly out of position in practice and didn't play much at all in the scrimmage against OSU because of it. He's much closer to not getting off the bench than he is to starting.Yep. James looks like he could turn into a good player, but he's simply not that right now. Welage is also a fantastic shooter and has a great feel for the game. His defense will hold him back some but not nearly as much as James' inexperience will hold him back.

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[X-man]

You are vastly overhyping a guy and undervaluing another after seeing one practice. Dontarius doesn't know the system yet. He's constantly out of position in practice and didn't play much at all in the scrimmage against OSU because of it. He's much closer to not getting off the bench than he is to starting.

Have you seen a bunch of practices? Because in the one I saw, it was Welage who seemed constantly lost.

[IM4X]

I’m not going to bet against either James or Welage. I see them both having skills that will be needed in certain situations and I look forward to seeing them both deliver solid minutes when called upon.

[GIMMFD]

Yep. James looks like he could turn into a good player, but he's simply not that right now. Welage is also a fantastic shooter and has a great feel for the game. His defense will hold him back some but not nearly as much as James' inexperience will hold him back.

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This, Welage has had some D1 exposure, and against some decent enough programs, Big East level? No. Hopefully he improves on the defensive side by leaps and bounds, but we're going to need his ability to stretch the floor, Welage should and will get more minutes than James.

[XUBison]

For better or worse, Welage is our only established shooter. Would be stunned if he doesn’t play a lot, unless/until he plays himself out of the lineup. Suspect his leash will be a long one due to our lack of shooting, even if we have to play junk defenses to keep him out there. James will have to play himself into the lineup, irrespective of what Welage does.

[drudy23]

For better or worse, Welage is our only established shooter. Would be stunned if he doesn’t play a lot, unless/until he plays himself out of the lineup. Suspect his leash will be a long one due to our lack of shooting, even if we have to play junk defenses to keep him out there. James will have to play himself into the lineup, irrespective of what Welage does.

Based on what we saw tonight, you may be right. Someone has to stretch the floor.

[bleedXblue]

Based on what we saw tonight, you may be right. Someone has to stretch the floor.

We have a nickname for Welage. "VS" As in volume shooter. I sure hope he can knock down 3's at a clip over 35% at least.

I think Scruggs is going to be much better this year from what we have seen and Naji can knock down 3's as well at a decent clip........

[drudy23]

It will be interesting to see if he can get looks against better competition. Obviously, his length helps, but he's not very athletic. He's going to have to rely on the playmakers to get him shots, because he's literally just a shooter.

Depth is concerning, but I think we knew that coming in. We have a top 15 starting 5.

[bleedXblue]

Welage is 6'10 and moves pretty well. I cant imagine him not being able to get some good looks on a consistent basis.......

[ArizonaXUGrad]

SDSU isn’t a bad team. That is decent D1 level. I expected him to be the quality transfer.


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[XUFan09]

SDSU isn’t a bad team. That is decent D1 level. I expected him to be the quality transfer.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWelage played for San Jose State, not San Diego State, and they were really bad. Still think he will be a reliable transfer this year.

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[ArizonaXUGrad]

Welage played for San Jose State, not San Diego State, and they were really bad. Still think he will be a reliable transfer this year.

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Yep my mistake, I still thought he would make the biggest impact.


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[XU 87]

Welage played for San Jose State, not San Diego State, and they were really bad. Still think he will be a reliable transfer this year.

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And he was coached at San Jose by former Prosser/XU assistant Dave Wojcik. Wojcik was turning the program around until he got fired last year for supposedly being "abusive" to the players.

[GIMMFD]

It will be interesting to see if he can get looks against better competition. Obviously, his length helps, but he's not very athletic. He's going to have to rely on the playmakers to get him shots, because he's literally just a shooter.

Depth is concerning, but I think we knew that coming in. We have a top 15 starting 5.

He got his shots off against teams like UNLV and Nevada (not Big East competition) where he was the focal point of the offense, I think it helps that opponents can't sell out on just locking in on Welage on the perimeter because we have athletic guys that can take advantage of that, and Scruggs and Marshall aren't too shabby from outside either, as is Castlin. I think that'll help tons in letting Welage get good looks.

[noteggs]

Think we should send this tweet to all BE fans and call it “coming attraction.” Heck, he could be the most hated guy outside of X for five years! Love this guy’s attitude and potential talent.

https://t.co/qhfPb06P8W

[scoscox]

He got his shots off against teams like UNLV and Nevada (not Big East competition) where he was the focal point of the offense, I think it helps that opponents can't sell out on just locking in on Welage on the perimeter because we have athletic guys that can take advantage of that, and Scruggs and Marshall aren't too shabby from outside either, as is Castlin. I think that'll help tons in letting Welage get good looks.

Well, Nevada was in the top 20 and the sweet sixteen last year, so probably not far off from Big East level there.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Think we should send this tweet to all BE fans and call it “coming attraction.” Heck, he could be the most hated guy outside of X for five years! Love this guy’s attitude and potential talent.

https://t.co/qhfPb06P8W

Wow, he plays with a chip or at least did during that session.

[GIMMFD]

Well, Nevada was in the top 20 and the sweet sixteen last year, so probably not far off from Big East level there.

True, those twin towers were awesome, and they beat UC in the tournament, definitely a good quality team, but I guess I meant more so Villanova level haha. Should have clarified, but regardless I think my post holds true with he should still get opportunities to gun it from deep.

[sirthought]

According to 247Sports Myron Gardner took an official visit to UC yesterday. He must have watched that crappy performance against OSU, which couldn't have made the program look too sexy, even with the new arena. Even with our great class verbals so far, I want this kid to commit.

[xukeith]

According to 247Sports Myron Gardner took an official visit to UC yesterday. He must have watched that crappy performance against OSU, which couldn't have made the program look too sexy, even with the new arena. Even with our great class verbals so far, I want this kid to commit.

I think 6 frosh commits is way too many unless 3 are NBA draft picks. We need a balance of classes (3 each)

[XUFan09]

I think 6 frosh commits is way too many unless 3 are NBA draft picks. We need a balance of classes (3 each)I don't think it needs to be quite that extreme for 6 frosh commits. However, if X already has 5, the 6th one better be pretty damn good. I'm not sure that Myron fits the bill; he's good but not a top 50 candidate. I was more on board with him when it was unclear whether X would get Tandy or Beverly. Now, though, I think any wing needs to be really good or, alternatively, pretty good with a great jump shot. I don't see any realistic options out there right now that fit that bill.

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[sirthought]

Man, XU has never had a top 50 candidate, so why throw that out there? At least not in Steele's first year recruiting.

We need small forwards. Everyone knows it's unlikely that he'd play much as a freshman, but with the way players shake out over the years, getting a kid with good size and decent athleticism to develop over time is important.

And especially since we have some top 100 players coming, and who knows how long they'll stay, having someone who runs the full course is important.

It won't make or break the class, but I think with the current makeup of the team, getting this guy on board is better.