UL Pointing the Morality Finger at the NCAA

[xudash]

I'm not making this up:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24068305/former-university-louisville-players-sue-ncaa-vacated-national-title

[GoMuskies]

It's actually a lawyer from an ambulance chasing firm hired by some former Louisville players.

[xu82]

Can’t we just declare them BOTH morally bankrupt and call it a tie?

[GIMMFD]

Dear Lord this is dumb, I mean the whole premise of vacating wins is stupid, but both parties are pretty damn bad. Neither should be pointing fingers, own up to mistakes, and clean it up. Sheesh.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Dear Lord this is dumb, I mean the whole premise of vacating wins is stupid, but both parties are pretty damn bad. Neither should be pointing fingers, own up to mistakes, and clean it up. Sheesh.

Did you forget what country you live in? 'Muricans don't own mistakes or make things right, we double down on doings things wrong. Yes this is both political and a personal statement. I see this way too much, the NCAA and Louisville basketball are glowingly prime examples.

[sirthought]

I kind of hope the NCAA loses. Not sure what a better punishment for schools should be, but hitting the students who put in the work seems pretty silly.

[Xville]

Just fyi, UL is not involved in this suit, it was brought by some members of the championship team that were not involved in the dorm room boom boom.


Though I believe that overall the lawsuit is ridiculous, I am somewhat sympathetic to the players (Luke Hancock mostly; due to him having the MVP taken away from him) who had no involvement in the sanctions that were handed down. However, I am also reminded of the fact that you win as a team, and you lose as a team.


With that said, F the NCAA.

[GIMMFD]

Did you forget what country you live in? 'Muricans don't own mistakes or make things right, we double down on doings things wrong. Yes this is both political and a personal statement. I see this way too much, the NCAA and Louisville basketball are glowingly prime examples.

I mean unfortunately you are right, there's not a lot of people that own up to mistakes these days, granted this was more of blatant cheating, and moral compass more than anything but I digress. The NCAA and Louisville are both in the wrong, and it's painfully obvious that something needs to happen.



Just fyi, UL is not involved in this suit, it was brought by some members of the championship team that were not involved in the dorm room boom boom.


Though I believe that overall the lawsuit is ridiculous, I am somewhat sympathetic to the players (Luke Hancock mostly; due to him having the MVP taken away from him) who had no involvement in the sanctions that were handed down. However, I am also reminded of the fact that you win as a team, and you lose as a team.


With that said, F the NCAA.

Reasons why I think vacating wins are dumb. I'm not going to forget that Louisville won that championship regardless of what the NCAA says. That's like the stupidest slap on the wrist, if you want to do something about it, take away scholarships, give post-season bans, don't vacate wins. That literally does nothing in the grand scheme of things other than what? A few records get thrown out. The NCAA might be the most poorly run organization I've ever seen, and I honestly feel it's like that South Park skit where the writers of Family Guy are a bunch of manatees that just pick a ball and string 3 together to make a joke, however in their case with punishments.

[sirthought]

Maybe rather than take away wins, they aught to just not allow the school to compete for a time, period. That loss of revenue will make them police their actions a whole lot more.

[JTG]

Maybe rather than take away wins, they aught to just not allow the school to compete for a time, period. That loss of revenue will make them police their actions a whole lot more.

Aka Death Penalty....I bet if UL got it, others would finally clean up their act, at least for awhile.

[XUGRAD80]

I heard Calipari on the radio a couple of days ago. He really is an engaging speaker and gives great interviews, no matter how crooked he may be. I thought that he made one really really good point....

The subject of agents came up, and specifically the idea that kids should be allowed access to agents at a much earlier point, even while in HS. His question related to that was.....”if that happens, so now I (and other coaches) have to start recruiting AGENTS? It’s hard enough just working with the kids and their parents. Now you want us to start having to deal with agents?”

This brings up the point that no matter how much the NCAA does, no matter how many rules they put into place, the MONEY that is involved with college athletics at the level of a UL, KY, Duke, NC, OSU, etc. is going to push certain people to find ways around those rules. Agents don’t get involved with HS kids, or even college kids, unless there is money to be made. And if there is enough money to be made, rules don’t matter, they will just work harder to find some way around those rules and to get to the money.

[surfxu]

According to this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/acc/2019/08/13/louisville-basketball-deposition-says-trustee-funded-sex-parties/1995350001/
There is now hearsay evidence that a trustee was funding the sex parties and it was not brought to the attention of the compliance department despite the president of the university supposedly knowing about it. The knowledge of that and the lack of reporting it would indicate a lack of institutional control which would bring on harsher penalties. Just seems like this stuff just keeps building up, but nothing is ever done about it. It's incredible that we're still talking about multiple serious infractions that have happened over many years, yet barely anything has been done to penalize them.

[GoMuskies]

yet barely anything has been done to penalize them.

Louisville had a postseason ban and was stripped of their one national championship in the last 33 years. Not sure how that's "barely anything".

[bigdiggins]

Louisville had a postseason ban and was stripped of their one national championship in the last 33 years. Not sure how that's "barely anything".

What does stripping a national championship actually mean? Do they have to pay back monies earned, or just they take down the banner and pretend the game never happened even though everyone saw it on tv?

[Muskie]

I believe there was some sort of money payback or some sort of lien against future tournament monies.


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[xubrew]

They had to pay back all of their tournament earnings from those three NCAA Tournaments.

[paulxu]

They had to pay back all of their tournament earnings from those three NCAA Tournaments.

I thought tournament monies belonged to conferences, who then decided on splits between the various teams in the conference.

Did they give it back to the conference?

[xubrew]

I thought tournament monies belonged to conferences, who then decided on splits between the various teams in the conference.

Did they give it back to the conference?

You are correct about it belonging to the conference. Louisville has to pay the NCAA the money that the conference paid them. Not just for their own tournament games, but all the money they received from the conference. .