JP signes 2 way contract with Charlotte Hornets..I think great news

[whopper]

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/hornets-j-p-macura-inks-two-way-deal-with-charlotte/

[scoscox]

Awesome. If NCAA tournament JP shows up he'll have a good shot. Kerem is supposedly weighing his summer league options, so sounds like we'll be seeing all 4 of them in summer league

[smileyy]

That's huge! Congrats to JP!

[whopper]

another article with more detail
https://swarmandsting.com/2018/06/23/charlotte-hornets-sign-j-p-macura-two-way-contract/
replacing Marcus Paige? the guy who hit the double clutch 3 that set up Kris Jenkins game winner? This shows how hard this league is to make, especially since the little "metrics" guys have talked over. When I look at so many flop picks recently (Emmanual Moutier, Efrin Payton and many others) how do these scouts have a job. They look like video game characters and will be ten miles behind Brunson and probably even Q.
Good luck to JP and I had worried about not seeing any summer league articles..this is probably the only way to make the league

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Great news! JP really deserves a shot at NBA.

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

I really like JP. Hope he gets to stay with the big team. I got a question. Pardon my ignorance, but it seems to me that JP's deal is better than the summer league that TB and KG got. Is that correct? I am not looking from a compensation standpoint but rather at the opportunity to play at the big league since a 2 way agreement allow players to play up to 45 days at the NBA level. Am I understanding/looking at this correctly? Can someone with knowledge share some light? Thanks.

[xukeith]

I really like JP. Hope he gets to stay with the big team. I got a question. Pardon my ignorance, but it seems to me that JP's deal is better than the summer league that TB and KG got. Is that correct? I am not looking from a compensation standpoint but rather at the opportunity to play at the big league since a 2 way agreement allow players to play up to 45 days at the NBA level. Am I understanding/looking at this correctly? Can someone with knowledge share some light? Thanks.

I just read this about JP. Have no idea what Tre got.

[scoscox]

I really like JP. Hope he gets to stay with the big team. I got a question. Pardon my ignorance, but it seems to me that JP's deal is better than the summer league that TB and KG got. Is that correct? I am not looking from a compensation standpoint but rather at the opportunity to play at the big league since a 2 way agreement allow players to play up to 45 days at the NBA level. Am I understanding/looking at this correctly? Can someone with knowledge share some light? Thanks.

you're spot on

[Juice]

I really like JP. Hope he gets to stay with the big team. I got a question. Pardon my ignorance, but it seems to me that JP's deal is better than the summer league that TB and KG got. Is that correct? I am not looking from a compensation standpoint but rather at the opportunity to play at the big league since a 2 way agreement allow players to play up to 45 days at the NBA level. Am I understanding/looking at this correctly? Can someone with knowledge share some light? Thanks.

Yes. And I believe his base salary is 80,000 (much higher than a G League player) with an opportunity to earn more depending on him playing in NBA games.

[xu koop scoop]

Here's how I see JP's two way deal working out. The Hornets call up JP for road games so he can agitate other players & especially their fans. They then send him back to G League when the Hornets are playing at home. That's a true two way deal for the Hornets & JP. He can then get a rep as the Hornets Nest for the road games he plays in. Splendid!

[xukeith]

Yes. And I believe his base salary is 80,000 (much higher than a G League player) with an opportunity to earn more depending on him playing in NBA games.

I understand the base salary for G league players is $35,000 for 6 months.

Where did you find this $80,000 salary for a summer league player and potential G-league/ Charlotte roster player?

[JTG]

Here's how I see JP's two way deal working out. The Hornets call up JP for road games so he can agitate other players & especially their fans. They then send him back to G League when the Hornets are playing at home. That's a true two way deal for the Hornets & JP. He can then get a rep as the Hornets Nest for the road games he plays in. Splendid!

Not sure about the home and away. Lance Stephenson is alot like JP. Pacer fans just go berserk when he steps on the floor, and you can't hear yourself think. JP would be a huge crowd pleaser at home, pump up the crowd, and juice up the 2nd unit.

[profson]

I understand the base salary for G league players is $35,000 for 6 months.

Where did you find this $80,000 salary for a summer league player and potential G-league/ Charlotte roster player?

He is not signing a standard G League contract. He is signing a special contract (two per NBA team, I think) that allows him to play in either league from time to time. A "two-way contract" pays a minimum of 80k and goes up depending on days with the NBA team (45 max I think), with a max of 275k (at least that was the number for '17-'18). If you exceed the limit the NBA team has to cut you or transform the contract to the rookie minimum regular NBA contract. That is the goal of everyone who gets this type of contract.

[Juice]

I understand the base salary for G league players is $35,000 for 6 months.

Where did you find this $80,000 salary for a summer league player and potential G-league/ Charlotte roster player?


The player’s pay comes on a tiered salary system, which can last one or two seasons. While in the G-League, the player will make $75,000. It’s a significant increase from the current pay structure for G-Leaguers, who cannot make more than $26,000 with a one-way G-League deal.
When in the NBA, a player with a two-way contract will accrue a day of service and make money consistent with an NBA rookie minimum, which is about $816,000 next season. If a player spends 45 days in the NBA, he could make around $204,000.
In total, a two-way player who spends the maximum amount of time in the NBA would make $279,000.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7/18/15985262/nba-two-way-contract-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them

His contract is better than a summer league contract and a normal G League player. He got a better deal than Tre, Kanter, and Kaiser.

[whopper]

I am an older man (sad to say) who naively thinks that everybody would advance together. It is not that way in life as I have found(sad to say) and now he has the best deal. I actually worried that I did not see him listed as a summer league player now it seems that he may have known this was coming. I hope they ALL do great as they all deserve it and they gave me great pleasure the last 4 years when I thought I had lost the love of hoop.

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7/18/15985262/nba-two-way-contract-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them

His contract is better than a summer league contract and a normal G League player. He got a better deal than Tre, Kanter, and Kaiser.

Has Kanter signed on with a team for summer league?

When I saw Kaiser's reported the guy on twitter stated Kaiser was a probably two way candidate. Another said it was expected that Kaiser would also be in training camp with the Bulls which isnt always the case for summer league guys. So maybe we'll get another guy with the two way contract.

[webxu]

Need a Macura 55 Hornets jersey!

[STL_XUfan]

I really like JP. Hope he gets to stay with the big team. I got a question. Pardon my ignorance, but it seems to me that JP's deal is better than the summer league that TB and KG got. Is that correct? I am not looking from a compensation standpoint but rather at the opportunity to play at the big league since a 2 way agreement allow players to play up to 45 days at the NBA level. Am I understanding/looking at this correctly? Can someone with knowledge share some light? Thanks.

Wouldn't the advantage be that Tre and Kaiser could try to prove themselves in summer league and then find a team that needs their particular skills? Essentially allowing them to hold out to find a NBA spot or a more advantageous 2 way contract.

[Muskie]

Wouldn't the advantage be that Tre and Kaiser could try to prove themselves in summer league and then find a team that needs their particular skills? Essentially allowing them to hold out to find a NBA spot or a more advantageous 2 way contract.

The way I understand it, each team has two 2-way roster spots/contracts. Could they play their way into one? I suppose. But the fact that neither got one out of the gate, puts them behind the eight ball in my opinion.

[Muskie]

Just saw that Angel Delgado (Seton Hall) got a 2-way contract with the Clippers that is similar to J.P.'s.

[Juice]

Wouldn't the advantage be that Tre and Kaiser could try to prove themselves in summer league and then find a team that needs their particular skills? Essentially allowing them to hold out to find a NBA spot or a more advantageous 2 way contract.

How often do you think guys sign full NBA contracts without getting drafted and not getting two way contracts but by their summer league performance?

[JTG]

How often do you think guys sign full NBA contracts without getting drafted and not getting two way contracts but by their summer league performance?

Ummm, never ?

[xukeith]

Ummm, never ?

Didn't Semaj Christon get promoted from G league and makes some NBA money?

[Juice]

Didn't Semaj Christon get promoted from G league and makes some NBA money?

He was drafted

[GIMMFD]

A two-way contract is great, I like others think JP has a place in the NBA, play some D, work on his shot, and hustle his ass off. That's valuable minutes off the bench, and he'd be a crowd favorite.

[xukeith]

He was drafted

Ah yes. But he was sent to G-league and came back up.

[Juice]

Ah yes. But he was sent to G-league and came back up.

I understand that. My point is that it's very unlikely for guys to not get drafted and sign contracts better than a two way contract in the NBA.

[Cheesehead]

Here are the specific details for the new two-way contract:
•They will act as a 16th and 17th roster spot for NBA teams beginning next season (2017-18).
•The player can spend up to 45 days with the NBA team that signs him, although no time is guaranteed.
•The rest of the player’s contract must be spent in the G-League, either for the team’s affiliate or another’s if the team he signs with doesn’t have a G-League affiliate yet. For the 2017-18 season, the G-League will represent 26 of the NBA’s 30 teams.
•The player’s pay comes on a tiered salary system, which can last one or two seasons. While in the G-League, the player will make $75,000. It’s a significant increase from the current pay structure for G-Leaguers, who cannot make more than $26,000 with a one-way G-League deal.
•When in the NBA, a player with a two-way contract will accrue a day of service and make money consistent with an NBA rookie minimum, which is about $816,000 next season. If a player spends 45 days in the NBA, he could make around $204,000.
•In total, a two-way player who spends the maximum amount of time in the NBA would make $279,000.

[xu95]

I think for 2018-2019 the salary has went up to 80k and since the league minimum in the NBA is slightly higher, I think I read that if he plays 45 days with the Hornets he will get 304k.

xu95

[Cheesehead]

I think for 2018-2019 the salary has went up to 80k and since the league minimum in the NBA is slightly higher, I think I read that if he plays 45 days with the Hornets he will get 304k.

xu95

could very well be

[ArizonaXUGrad]

The nba is a tough league. It’s both a business and sport. Teams must balance winning and putting butts in seats.

NBA players that aren’t stars all have a specific role. Players unwilling to complete those roles don’t last.

Gates, Macura, Tre, even Crawford all have the ability to fulfill one of those roles. Whether they park their ego to do it remains.


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[MHettel]

The nba is a tough league. It’s both a business and sport. Teams must balance winning and putting butts in seats.

NBA players that aren’t stars all have a specific role. Players unwilling to complete those roles don’t last.

Gates, Macura, Tre, even Crawford all have the ability to fulfill one of those roles. Whether they park their ego to do it remains.


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I kind of think Crawford has answered that question for us. Thats dude is instant offense and an absolute gunner. But for whatever reason, he cant stick with a team. Something off the court is his issue.

[webxu]

I think Crawfords issue is the NBA doesn't like his shooting metrics.. his true shooting % isn't that great.. But the man does get buckets...

[xu82]

I kind of think Crawford has answered that question for us. Thats dude is instant offense and an absolute gunner. But for whatever reason, he cant stick with a team. Something off the court is his issue.

By “off the court”, do you mean “between his ears”?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I also think part of Crawford's problem (maybe I am making this up) is that he requires a hire NBA minimum salary than a younger similar player. It is probably hard for older players with some NBA experience and season under their belt who kind of bounce around to fully stick when there a similar younger cheaper option.

Again maybe that has nothing to do with it but I have read other places NBA execs and former players talk about how as an end of bench NBA vet who has bounced around you can do everything right in practice, camps, etc but if there is a guy who is similar and younger and cheaper (or hey need more depth at a different position) you can be let go just like that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Two-way contracts are not guaranteed right? JP couple be cut after summer league or after training camp, or anytime during the season?

[xukeith]

I also think part of Crawford's problem (maybe I am making this up) is that he requires a hire NBA minimum salary than a younger similar player. It is probably hard for older players with some NBA experience and season under their belt who kind of bounce around to fully stick when there a similar younger cheaper option.

Again maybe that has nothing to do with it but I have read other places NBA execs and former players talk about how as an end of bench NBA vet who has bounced around you can do everything right in practice, camps, etc but if there is a guy who is similar and younger and cheaper (or hey need more depth at a different position) you can be let go just like that.

David West is in his 3rd year accepting the league minimum. I guess that is league minimum for his 15 years playing in the NBA as opposed to a rookie getting a league minimum.
I don't know the pay scale.
I do know West got roughly $1,000,000 this year as a league minimum.

[xukeith]

Googled NBA league minimum and got this:

NBA two-way players will earn $77,250, prorated for days spent on an NBA G League roster, and the NBA rookie minimum salary, prorated for the days with their NBA team, for maximum potential earnings of $385,000 next season. This season, 83 players across all 30 NBA teams signed two-way contracts.Apr 17, 2018

[MHettel]

By “off the court”, do you mean “between his ears”?

I just mean that if you watch him play, he seems like a guy that you would want to get minutes. Without going too over the top, imagine a heater like him that you could bring off the bench and give a ball dominant guy a much needed rest. Give lebron a 5 minute break and let a guy like Crawford just run and gun for a few minutes. Force the other team to speed up the pace and chase him aroudn while your main guy gets a breather. it just seems like you'd want a guy liek that.

and also, in blowout situations, you can bring him in and just turn him loose. maybe had can rattle off 20 qucik points and get your team back in it. Or, the worst case scenario is that you starters get some rest and you lose anyway....

So, yeah, something else is teh reason he doesnt stick in teh NBA. Maybe he's a crappy teammate and guys just dont like him. Or maybe he's totally uncoachable (attitude) or cant (or wont) run the plays.

We got good dudes like Tre and JP that have ALL the will and desire to make it but just come up short on the "god given" skills. And then you have Crawford, who seemingly is the exact opposite.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Googled NBA league minimum and got this:

NBA two-way players will earn $77,250, prorated for days spent on an NBA G League roster, and the NBA rookie minimum salary, prorated for the days with their NBA team, for maximum potential earnings of $385,000 next season. This season, 83 players across all 30 NBA teams signed two-way contracts.Apr 17, 2018

This is what I got, its not a huge disparity so maybe I was making that up.

0: $582,180
1: $936,932
2: $1,050,262
3: $1,088,038
4: $1,125,816
5: $1,220,257
6: $1,314,700
7: $1,409,141
8: $1,503,583
9: $1,511,068
10+: $1,662,176

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think some have missed what I typed. The nba is a star driven league. The rest of the players all just have a role to play. If they aren’t willing to play that role they won’t be in the league.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

I think some have missed what I typed. The nba is a star driven league. The rest of the players all just have a role to play. If they aren’t willing to play that role they won’t be in the league.


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Oh so role players have specific roles? How did we miss that????

Duh, but to say guys who arent in the league arent in the league because they arent willing to play a specific role isn't usually the case. Maybe some guys but some arent in because of many various other reasons. There are only so many spots......

[kellernr]

David West is in his 3rd year accepting the league minimum. I guess that is league minimum for his 15 years playing in the NBA as opposed to a rookie getting a league minimum.
I don't know the pay scale.
I do know West got roughly $1,000,000 this year as a league minimum.According to the warriors payroll, West made 2.3 mil this year and it was all guaranteed

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