Traditional Four Year Players

[Steve A]

I had a thought with all of the transferring, committing, de-committing, re-committing, etc. that happens in the modern world of college basketball, that it is now incredibly rare for a player to just play four years after only committing to one school during their recruitment and career.

In the last 10-11 years of Xavier basketball, the only players I can think of that would fit under this would be guys like JP Macura, Sean O'Mara, and Dee Davis. I'm sure I'm missing guys, but it sheds light on how rare it is. Everyone else either committed somewhere else originally, transferred, redshirted, left early, had academic issues, etc.

Obviously, X has no one that fits that as a senior year this year with Kaiser leaving, Q and Tyrique could be the next ones.

Am I missing anyone?

[XUMIOH12]

I had a thought with all of the transferring, committing, de-committing, re-committing, etc. that happens in the modern world of college basketball, that it is now incredibly rare for a player to just play four years after only committing to one school during their recruitment and career.

In the last 10-11 years of Xavier basketball, the only players I can think of that would fit under this would be guys like JP Macura, Sean O'Mara, and Dee Davis. I'm sure I'm missing guys, but it sheds light on how rare it is. Everyone else either committed somewhere else originally, transferred, redshirted, left early, had academic issues, etc.

Obviously, X has no one that fits that as a senior year this year with Kaiser leaving, Q and Tyrique could be the next ones.

Am I missing anyone?

You couldn't think of anyone else?
And why does it matter if they committed elsewhere beforehand?

[paulxu]

I thought Trevon played for us for 4 years.
Must be wrong.

[GoMuskies]

I thought Trevon played for us for 4 years.
Must be wrong.

He verballed to UCLA originally, so he would not qualify.

[Olsingledigit]

I thought Trevon played for us for 4 years.
Must be wrong.

Yes, Yre played 4 straight years for X. Can’t believe you guys missed that.

[XMuskieFTW]

He verballed to UCLA originally, so he would not qualify.

James Farr also wouldn't qualify because he held an offer from Ball State.

[GoMuskies]

James Farr also wouldn't qualify because he held an offer from Ball State.

Did he commit to Ball State?

[muskienick]

Did he commit to Ball State?

Verbals are not binding --- there is nothing official about them. Even if Tre submitted an LOI to UCLA but was given his release by that school, he STILL played 4 successive years in an XU uniform and 0 years at UCLA. If Curtis doesn't select Xavier when all is said and done, would he not be able say that he was a 4-year player for Kansas, UNC, UK, or some other college considered to be a better basketball school than X?

[GoMuskies]

Verbals are not binding --- there is nothing official about them. Even if Tre submitted an LOI to UCLA but was given his release by that school, he STILL played 4 successive years in an XU uniform and 0 years at UCLA. If Curtis doesn't select Xavier when all is said and done, would he not be able say that he was a 4-year player for Kansas, UNC, UK, or some other college considered to be a better basketball school than X?

I didn't create the test. You'll have to talk to the OP about that. I'm simply trying to apply it.

[UCGRAD4X]

He's just stating his perception that student athletes used to commit to one school and play four years (thus the term "commit") and is speculating/wondering how many of Xavier's players fit that mold in the recent past.

I don't see anything wrong with that line of inquiry.


BTW: Everyone is free to participate...or not.

[paulxu]

OK, how about Redford? Did he commit to someone else before X?

[Olsingledigit]

He's just stating his perception that student athletes used to commit to one school and play four years (thus the term "commit") and is speculating/wondering how many of Xavier's players fit that mold in the recent past.

I don't see anything wrong with that line of inquiry.


BTW: Everyone is free to participate...or not.

Tu committed to IU first so I guess he is out.

[Steve A]

He's just stating his perception that student athletes used to commit to one school and play four years (thus the term "commit") and is speculating/wondering how many of Xavier's players fit that mold in the recent past.

I don't see anything wrong with that line of inquiry.


BTW: Everyone is free to participate...or not.

Exactly, just a different world we live in now. I'm not judging anyone at all, just an interesting note.

Redford had his injury redshirt year, so I took him off. James Farr might be another one that qualifies.

Tre originally committed to UCLA and Tu committed to IU.

[sirthought]

With 300+ programs in Division 1, and however many programs outside of D1, I'd say the majority are playing four years. That's probably decreased in the past two decades, but still, a huge number of people play for four years. It would be interesting to find a statistic showing what percentage play four years at one school.

[GIMMFD]

This is a peak off-season post. Watching people get in arms about it is amazing.

[UCGRAD4X]

The fact that it is (or, at least, seems to be) happening more at X is more due to the type of player they are getting....likely to have more options than previous players.

It may also have to do with them more used to being "highly thought of" and "playing at a high level" and having a lot of teams / coaches / recruits from big-time programs fawning over them. Generally bigger egos?

[webxu]

King Kenny and Dante come to mind..

[Steve A]

This is a peak off-season post. Watching people get in arms about it is amazing.

Thank you. Just wanted to liven up the boards a little bit.