Filling out the last scholarships (Hankins Commit, Castlin Commit, Welage Commit)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Welage

No, they would have never played together. Welage has one year left in which Moyer would have to sit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It kind of does. If Welage wasn't coming and we had two available ships, Travis might still be interested in him. So it isn't Welage in particular, but it is because he took the scholarship that Travis might have allowed Moyer to have.

xu95

Only if we fill the last scholarship which it looks like we may with a couple of the targets we have. But it isnt Welage anymore than it was any of the other transfers. I guess other than Welage was the most recent commit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Steele may well visit with him, but I think that if he tells Steele he plans to leave after his freshman year, it will probably be no deal.

I respectfully and strongly disagree with this.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Makinde?

Ah good memory, forgot about him.

[XUBison]

You mean Anthony Davis of KENTUCKY and Kobe Simmons of ARIZONA? Yep, those schools are like Xavier, aren’t they?

You know, Xavier. The small, private university with strong academics that we all know and love.

Seriously, I can’t imagine that the administration would look favorably upon the basketball program (or any of the athletic teams) suddenly starting to recruit team members that have stated up front that they are not there to get an education.....no matter how good a player they are. That stuff might fly at huge state universities, but I don’t think it will fly at X. (And I hope it never does)

Yes,, I mean Anthony Davis and Kobe Simmons, both of whom X recruited very hard. What’s your point?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Derrick Brown.

Forgot that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Education first is “The Xavier Way”. If what you want is a basketball factory that only cares about the product ON THE COURT, and not about the players as STUDENTS, Xavier is NOT the place.

The better Xavier's basketball team is the more it helps Xavier be a better school with better services and facilities and better students.

If Xavier has the opportunity to sign a guy who might be a one and done who qualifies academically and they like they will do it without a second thought.

[XUGRAD80]

Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

[XUBison]

The better Xavier's basketball team is the more it helps Xavier be a better school with better services and facilities and better students.

If Xavier has the opportunity to sign a guy who might be a one and done who qualifies academically and they like they will do it without a second thought.

Yep. We aren’t deliberately filling the roster with kids who aren’t good enough to play in the NBA.

[Juice]

Education first is “The Xavier Way”. If what you want is a basketball factory that only cares about the product ON THE COURT, and not about the players as STUDENTS, Xavier is NOT the place.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Juice]

Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

When why did Mack recruit Chris Thomas and Kobi Simmons? Neither of those guys had any intention of staying past a year or two.

[xukeith]

Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

I think X being a student athlete graduation program that does not get one and doners is naive and silly.
It is a basketball school and basketball brings in the money and exposure for all other departments.
X admins will not bat an eye to a top 10 pick that bolts for a lottery draft pick. It is the xavier way.
The slogan of graduates XYZ seniors since 1985 will still look good.

[xukeith]

“X’s future Matthew”? Don’t know what you mean by that. Xavier is never even mentioned in the article, and I doubt that X has real plans to recruit one and dones, which is his stated objective in the article. Steele may well visit with him, but I think that if he tells Steele he plans to leave after his freshman year, it will probably be no deal. Steele has gone after grad transfers this year, which are also one and done’s. However, I think this more out of need and a realization that the incoming freshman may not be quite ready to play at a BE level, next year. Nonetheless, getting Hurt to come to X is an extreme long shot, even if he wasn’t a self proclaimed one and done recruit.

get real. Basketball and winning a national championship are the next steps. Getting one and done recruits are necessary. The good angelic choir boy look of the Musketeer program left the barn a long time ago. It is win, baby, win.

[xukeith]

Education first is “The Xavier Way”. If what you want is a basketball factory that only cares about the product ON THE COURT, and not about the players as STUDENTS, Xavier is NOT the place.

Xavier has been the place for decades. Athletes first, students second.

[Xavier2015]

Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

LMAO...I have sat in classes with basketball players Skyping girlfriends...other sports may have student athletes but Basketball? Nope

[paulxu]

There's nothing to prevent an athlete from coming back after his pro career and getting a degree.

[JTG]

Ummm... Try Anthony Davis and Kobe Simmons, off the top of my head. Can’t imagine X wouldn’t at least try to get into the mix for Hurt with Ben Johnson now on staff. They’d be stupid not to, even if it goes nowhere.


Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

Have you ever heard of Duke ? No one will confuse X with Duke academic wise, yet they have become the poster kids for one and done.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

Why would X be recruiting them then? What you are saying makes no sense.

You do realize we have had several players leave to turn pro before graduating right?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Have you ever heard of Duke ? No one will confuse X with Duke academic wise, yet they have become the poster kids for one and done.

Yeah I was about to make the Duke reference as well.

[xuwin]

Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

Do you think Xavier is signing all of these grad transfers for academic reasons?

[Olsingledigit]

get real. Basketball and winning a national championship are the next steps. Getting one and done recruits are necessary. The good angelic choir boy look of the Musketeer program left the barn a long time ago. It is win, baby, win.

Have to agree with Keith on this one. As mentioned, we have had players leave early. Crawford, Christian, and Sumner (whose mother apparently took money from an agent) come to mind. I won’t go as far as saying we have to get such players to win a NC, but you take what you can get.

[Get Real]

get real. Basketball and winning a national championship are the next steps. Getting one and done recruits are necessary. The good angelic choir boy look of the Musketeer program left the barn a long time ago. It is win, baby, win.

I don't recall commenting about this topic; although I do agree with your assessment.

[AviatorX]

Well, I think that you guys are wrong. I don’t think that Xavier will ever place the athletic programs ahead of the school. Even if they realize that athletic success helps to raise the profile of the school, they also realize that having athletic success is not the main purpose or focus of the university. I’m not saying that they won’t try to get players with the best talent. I am saying I suspect that one of the reasons that Miller, Matta, and Mack may have left is because the administration told them not to go after one and done players whose primary reason to come to school was to use it as a short stop before going onto the NBA. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that players that come to X and stay for 4 years ALL graduate. I think that they take a great deal of pride in the fact that they recruit STUDENT-athletes. So let’s just leave it at that. You believe what you want to, and I’ll believe what I want to.

It's ok to believe what you want, but if you could stop posting about it as if it has any potential modicum of truth, that would be great...

[sirthought]

A grad transfer IS different, as they already have their degree and should be working towards a masters.

[smileyy]

I.e., found a master's program that their current school didn't offer at a new school they want to play at.

[GIMMFD]

Have to agree with Keith on this one. As mentioned, we have had players leave early. Crawford, Christian, and Sumner (whose mother apparently took money from an agent) come to mind. I won’t go as far as saying we have to get such players to win a NC, but you take what you can get.

Amen you get what you can take, I actually think a NC needs a blend of some older guys that have learned and developed in a system, mixed with some NBA talent, I mean look at the Nova and UNC teams that have won in the last 3 years, no one and done's, but just good NBA talent, mixed with some experience. We could realistically recruit guys like that, but at the same time if 5 star Matthew Hurt wants to suit up for X and leave after a year, we damn sure should go after time, those type of players don't come often for schools like us, you take em and hope you make a splash with them in the year you have.

[Juice]

Amen you get what you can take, I actually think a NC needs a blend of some older guys that have learned and developed in a system, mixed with some NBA talent, I mean look at the Nova and UNC teams that have won in the last 3 years, no one and done's, but just good NBA talent, mixed with some experience. We could realistically recruit guys like that, but at the same time if 5 star Matthew Hurt wants to suit up for X and leave after a year, we damn sure should go after time, those type of players don't come often for schools like us, you take em and hope you make a splash with them in the year you have.

Both of those schools were/are recruiting in that 25-75 range of players. As you said, it creates teams of very talented players that stay around for more than one year.

[xukeith]

Do you think Xavier is signing all of these grad transfers for academic reasons?

Nope. Just basketball reasons. Maybe eligibility helps with being a grad student.

[JimCoker]

OK, let us assume the 2018-19 twelve man roster is set. I have a myriad of questions as to what comes next. Each of these questions needs two answers - one for the three freshmen, and the same questions for the three transfers.

1. When is the earliest they can get on campus? Does that require enrolling in summer classes?
2. Do they have to be enrolled in classes or just the university to start in the conditioning program? This is probably more directed at the frosh.
3. Do they have to be enrolled in classes or just the university to start any type of unofficial "open gym" type arrangements?
4. Assuming that they can get together in open gym, what constitutes open gym? Are any of the coaches allowed to be there, and/or instruct? Are there weekly time limitations they can use the facilities as a group, or does open gym really mean open gym to any student enrolled?

Obviously, with a six man turnover, the sooner they can start working together, the better. However, I have changed my antiquated idea of a team needing extensive time to build team chemistry. Just be ready to defend the league title.

[sirthought]

Jim, I bet some of the board members who were managers or know others close to the program can address this better than I can. But it seems from media reports in the past that freshmen these days do arrive during the summer.

But it usually seems to be around July, probably depending on family plans before their baby heads off to college. Many do start with summer classes, at least getting some sort of orientation "how to college" class to get them use to a schedule and some study habits. This likely does allow for use of residential and training facilities. I do believe they can have meetings with coaches to discuss drills or things they should work on privately. I don't think they can have any formal type of practice, but I bet the older players will run through some stuff just to get younger guys familiar with some of it and start lifting. They are invested in hitting the ground running, but also want summer to be more fun.

The Deveroes Summer League use to be a fun way to spot players early. I think programs are keeping guys out of that sort of thing in order to have them play with their own teammates privately, in order to develop chemistry.

I think the grad transfers will be here as soon as their classes end this summer in order to move in and get to know the trainer.

[xu95]

I will try to answer Jim's questions.

1. They can all arrive as soon as they graduate from their respective high schools/universities. As Sir said, most do now a days register for Summer sessions. I think it is doubtful that the grad transfers will take summer school, but the freshman more than likely will.
2. I am pretty positive that they can go work out in the gym whether they are taking classes or not. if the Freshman are here though, they are in summer classes.
3. Open gym is just that. It's just like going down to the Y and playing in a pick up basketball game, except it is just the basketball players invited. Coaches are not allowed to be there and I am sure the older players run things. I'm sure Coach Steele texts Kaiser or someone like that and say "hey why don't you guys work on this today".

xu95

[XUGRAD80]

I’m sure thst I read that the kid from San Jose St plans to take summer school classes there, so that he can graduate from San Jose State with his degree this summer. If he does that, he will be eligible to play as a grad transfer for X.

[GoMuskies]

If the San Jose State administration is spiteful, they'll make sure he fails those classes. :)

[paulxu]

It's just crazy that Gates is our only Xavier grown senior.
Hell, it was just yesterday I went down to Alpharetta to watch him play at St Francis.

[Cheesehead]

Jim, I bet some of the board members who were managers or know others close to the program can address this better than I can. But it seems from media reports in the past that freshmen these days do arrive during the summer.

But it usually seems to be around July, probably depending on family plans before their baby heads off to college. Many do start with summer classes, at least getting some sort of orientation "how to college" class to get them use to a schedule and some study habits. This likely does allow for use of residential and training facilities. I do believe they can have meetings with coaches to discuss drills or things they should work on privately. I don't think they can have any formal type of practice, but I bet the older players will run through some stuff just to get younger guys familiar with some of it and start lifting. They are invested in hitting the ground running, but also want summer to be more fun.

The Deveroes Summer League use to be a fun way to spot players early. I think programs are keeping guys out of that sort of thing in order to have them play with their own teammates privately, in order to develop chemistry.

I think the grad transfers will be here as soon as their classes end this summer in order to move in and get to know the trainer.

The managers often help with various drills and rebounding in the summer. My son used to rebound for Malcom a lot. So you can thank him for Malcom hitting all those clutch shots.

[xu82]

The managers often help with various drills and rebounding in the summer. My son used to rebound for Malcom a lot. So you can thank him for Malcom hitting all those clutch shots.

My most sincere thanks! I was going to send ca$h, but feel blessed to get off with just an expression of gratitude! THANK YOU!

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

Not much new here but I guess it is an update. This guy Teague is a hot commodity.

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/MaCio-Teague-is-a-hot-commodity-on-the-transfer-market-and-has-many-notable-suitors-117416756

[Cheesehead]

22852284

One of my favorite HS memories of my son was when they beat Macio on his last second shot at the buzzer. Walnut had 3 kids who are playing college hoops. I was more impressed with my son's 8 assists from the three position. It's hard to read but he was number 20 in the box score and wound up with 12 points 8 assists. Macio went for 24 against the Bombers that night but the Bombers won the battle. On side note, Macio and my son were once AAU teammates back in the day before Macio left for another organization. We fell out of touch with him after that.

[IM4X]

22852284

One of my favorite HS memories of my son was when they beat Macio on his last second shot at the buzzer. Walnut had 3 kids who are playing college hoops. I was more impressed with my son's 8 assists from the three position. It's hard to read but he was number 20 in the box score and wound up with 12 points 8 assists. Macio went for 24 against the Bombers that night but the Bombers won the battle. On side note, Macio and my son were once AAU teammates back in the day before Macio left for another organization. We fell out of touch with him after that.


Nice story. Thanks for sharing.

[XUGRAD80]

Didn’t see this posted.....

Moyer has verbally committed to Vanderbilt, per verbalcommits.com

[Xville]

Zach Johnson fgcu picked Miami over Louisville. Mack continues his latest misses streak. Fans are already handwringing over this and the fact that Courtney Ramey probably isn't coming to Louisville either. I love it

[Xavier]

Mack really needs NCAA penalties to come fast. Let’s say they come in two years, until then every recruiting battle will consist of opposing coaches telling recruits the NCAA penalty is coming any minute and Louisville will be banned from post season for a few years. It’s going to be tough to recruit at Louisville until the penalties are over. (At least the recruits fans expect to be getting.)

[Lloyd Braun]

Zach Johnson fgcu picked Miami over Louisville. Mack continues his latest misses streak. Fans are already handwringing over this and the fact that Courtney Ramey probably isn't coming to Louisville either. I love it

I will refrain from joy until Teague says no to Mack. I hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling (without any basis whatsoever) he chooses Louisville.

[GoMuskies]

How about Austin Reaves to fill the last scholarship? He's transferring out of Wichita State. He'll have to sit a year, but he'll have two to play, and he was 82/182 from three point range (45%) in two years with the Shockers.

[Xville]

I will refrain from joy until Teague says no to Mack. I hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling (without any basis whatsoever) he chooses Louisville.

If he does, whatever. Louisville will get recruits eventually. However I'd be surprised if Teague picks Louisville over Virginia, arizona etc...the risk is just too high that by the time he is eligible to play, Louisville is under sanctions again.

If he doesn't choose Xavier, I'll be absolutely shocked if he chooses Louisville just based on the above.

[smileyy]

I'd be kind of surprised to see Xavier add anyone else. These guys are transferring to get minutes and the non-freshman depth chart is already at 9 (if you include Harden). Plus 4 new guys + freshman are a lot to integrate into a team.

[bleedXblue]

I'd be kind of surprised to see Xavier add anyone else. These guys are transferring to get minutes and the non-freshman depth chart is already at 9 (if you include Harden). Plus 4 new guys + freshman are a lot to integrate into a team.

Teague would sit out next year........so we would be fine with adding him and getting to 13

[smileyy]

Ah, missed that. Thanks!

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Keonte Kennedy just received his release from X...

[xavierj]

Keonte Kennedy just received his release from X...

That kind of sucks. I think he will be a good one. Be interesting to see where he ends up.

[Juice]

Keonte Kennedy just received his release from X...

Corey Evans
‏@coreyevans_10
Xavier commit Keonte Kennedy has received his release, he tells @Rivals. Available shot making guard from the 2018 class this spring

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

That kind of sucks. I think he will be a good one. Be interesting to see where he ends up.

Hoping the only logical reason is that Steele told him Teague is on his way to Xavier, and that it might be in his best interest to look elsewhere. That, and Steele knows how good Elias will be for the next 3 years.

But I also believe Keonte will turn into a player wherever he ends up.

[xavierj]

Hoping the only logical reason is that Steele told him Teague is on his way to Xavier, and that it might be in his best interest to look elsewhere. That, and Steele knows how good Elias will be for the next 3 years.

But I also believe Keonte will turn into a player wherever he ends up.

I don’t think Xavier will get Teague but maybe another 2018 guy that has decommitted

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

I don’t think Xavier will get Teague but maybe another 2018 guy that has decommitted

Who is out there in 2018 that's any better than Kennedy? He also just tweeted that, while he is reopening his recruitment, Xavier is still in the mix. Always seems weird to me when guys still include the school they decommit from.

[xavierj]

Who is out there in 2018 that's any better than Kennedy? He also just tweeted that, while he is reopening his recruitment, Xavier is still in the mix. Always seems weird to me when guys still include the school they decommit from.

Maybe Travis told him to make sure Xavier was the right fit. Also looks like Xavier is recruiting this guy.
https://247sports.com/player/tye-fagan-46037775

[Lloyd Braun]

Who is out there in 2018 that's any better than Kennedy? He also just tweeted that, while he is reopening his recruitment, Xavier is still in the mix. Always seems weird to me when guys still include the school they decommit from.

Travis did not recruit him. Luke Murray did, so he doesn’t really have a relationship with Travis. He probably likes the school and environment enough to keep X on the list.

[Lloyd Braun]

That kind of sucks. I think he will be a good one. Be interesting to see where he ends up.


But I also believe Keonte will turn into a player wherever he ends up.

I tend to disagree on him... not sure I see much there tbh but who am I to say he won’t be good...

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Travis did not recruit him. Luke Murray did, so he doesn’t really have a relationship with Travis. He probably likes the school and environment enough to keep X on the list.

Apparently enough to keep X at #1 on his list, according to Shannon Russell. I understand that Travis didn't recruit him, but I'm sure now, he is the one recruiting him, and has been the one for the last 3 (?) weeks since Travis was named. We'll see where this goes. The Tye Fagan kid is a similar option that Hayes recruited while at Georgia.

[Juice]

I tend to disagree on him... not sure I see much there tbh but who am I to say he won’t be good...

He claims Texas TEch, Va Tech, and Oregon have made contact so other good programs are back in I guess.

[Lloyd Braun]

He claims Texas TEch, Va Tech, and Oregon have made contact so other good programs are back in I guess.

What about Louisville?

[Lloyd Braun]

Apparently enough to keep X at #1 on his list, according to Shannon Russell. I understand that Travis didn't recruit him, but I'm sure now, he is the one recruiting him, and has been the one for the last 3 (?) weeks since Travis was named. We'll see where this goes. The Tye Fagan kid is a similar option that Hayes recruited while at Georgia.

Yea Fagan looks similar. As does 2019 commit Samari Curtis. Shooting guards are tough to predict... more of a crapshoot than other positions imo

[xukeith]

I hope Kennedy can recommit. He seems like a solid shooter unless X has a top 25 2019 recruit ready to commit.

We shall see as X needs a solid shooting guard. (Elias Harden may carry the burden!)

[Nigel Tufnel]

I hope Kennedy can recommit. He seems like a solid shooter unless X has a top 25 2019 recruit ready to commit.

We shall see as X needs a solid shooting guard. (Elias Harden may carry the burden!)

Don’t count on that happening. Pretty sure that ship has sailed. That ship being X.

[Juice]

I hope Kennedy can recommit. He seems like a solid shooter unless X has a top 25 2019 recruit ready to commit.

We shall see as X needs a solid shooting guard. (Elias Harden may carry the burden!)

Wouldn't count on it

[bobbiemcgee]

I hope Kennedy can recommit. He seems like a solid shooter unless X has a top 25 2019 recruit ready to commit.

We shall see as X needs a solid shooting guard. (Elias Harden may carry the burden!)

I thought Castlin can play SG.

[usfldan]

Has Kennedy not signed a Letter of Intent yet? It seems kind late to me for him not to have. If not, when was he expected to?

[xavierj]

Has Kennedy not signed a Letter of Intent yet? It seems kind late to me for him not to have. If not, when was he expected to?

He did. Xavier released him of it.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is a bummer, of all the guys I like Kennedy the best. I think James has the biggest upside. Because he shows X on his list this is more about him finding his fit than it is another guy coming.


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[ArizonaXUGrad]

Just checked out this Tye Fagan, guys can play in Georgia. It’s a better state than Texas. If we swapped for Fagan I would like that.


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[Xuperman]

Keonte Kennedy's are easy pickins'.....Keeping Samari Curtis from Xenia Ohio is paramount.....THAT kid is really special!!!

[Masterofreality]

Keonte Kennedy's are easy pickins'.....Keeping Samari Curtis from Xenia Ohio is paramount.....THAT kid is really special!!!

Yup. I think Samari is solid though.

[Olsingledigit]

Hope you are right MOR

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Just from his YouTube stuff Curtis can drive, finish, dish, and shoot from outside.

Tye Fagan looks like just a finisher.

Edit: looks like he is said to be a shooter first.

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[bobbiemcgee]

http://local12.com/sports/xu-musketeers/xavier-announces-three-grad-transfers-officially-to-join-basketball-team

[kellernr]

I don't think Kennedy recommits to X. Picked up an offer from Oklahoma now. Big school closento home.

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[bleedXblue]

I don't think Kennedy recommits to X. Picked up an offer from Oklahoma now. Big school closento home.

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he's gone

[kellernr]

he's goneLeaves 2 scholarships open. Need to fill at least 1 of them for next year and hopefully get Teague with the last one

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[GIMMFD]

Keonte Kennedy's are easy pickins'.....Keeping Samari Curtis from Xenia Ohio is paramount.....THAT kid is really special!!!

I completely agree, though I wanted Kennedy, he looked like he had a lot of potential, I think he saw the writing on the wall sandwiched inbetween Curtis, and Castlin coming in this year, plus minutes with Elias Harden. It's a loaded back court, and he's picking up some interest in other places too. I wish him the best, but this isn't a major loss.

[Steve A]

Leaves 2 scholarships open. Need to fill at least 1 of them for next year and hopefully get Teague with the last one

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I disagree. I think the 11 guys on the roster now would be a good roster heading into the season. Obviously you want to get a transfer that's sitting (Teague would be perfect). Either bank the 13th for one of the stud 2019 recruits Travis is recruiting or another top line transfer.

Based on what Travis has said, I would expect him to run a "4 out, 1 in" type offense. I think you will see Jones and Hankins manning the 5 (with maybe Walter getting a few spot minutes), Gates and Welage will play the "stretch 4" role, leaving Goodin, Scruggs, Marshall, Castlin, James, and Harden picking up minutes at guard/wing.

I'm not sure there really are minutes for anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy noticed the same thing.

[drudy23]

Seems like there are a TON of offers out for Xavier at this point. Anyone have a synopsis of:

1) Top targets
2) Who's likely to end up at X
3) Are these guys an upgrade to get us to F4?

I've lost track with how many offers are currently out. Seems like a new one comes out each day.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Seems like there are a TON of offers out for Xavier at this point. Anyone have a synopsis of:

1) Top targets
2) Who's likely to end up at X
3) Are these guys an upgrade to get us to F4?

I've lost track with how many offers are currently out. Seems like a new one comes out each day.

According to 247, and the general feeling between guys who closely follow X recruiting, top targets would include Armaan Franklin and Harlond Beverly out of Indy and Detroit, respectively. Either would be huge to pair with Samari, as both are big guards who can handle the ball. Little biased as I'm from the state, but Beverly looks legit. Next in line as a top priority everyone is talking about is Luke Anderson, a stretch 4 (similar to what Ridder was supposed to be) sharp shooter from Florida. Next in line looks like guys that Hayes and Johnson have connections with, such as Elias King and Brendan Tucker from GA, and Tyrell Terry from Minnesota.

Not sure who we are prioritizing at the 5 spot, but it'll definitely be a need. As you mentioned, Steele and X are giving out new offers daily, so it's really hard to see who they are prioritizing, but those two first names we have had in homes with in the past week or so. I'm hoping we get one of Franklin or Beverly, keep Samari, and get a commit from Luke Anderson soon. Throw in a big, and the '19 class would likely top what we brought in in '17, at least from a national rankings standpoint.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

On top of that, Tye Fagan is a 2018 guy that Jonas Hayes recruited while at Georgia. He is taking an official visit to X this weekend. More likely than not something that went on behind the scenes in playing into Kennedy's decision. He was originally committed to MTSU. Similar player to Kennedy, but word is they prefer his game over Keonte's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNbGU6pCoHE

And I don't blame them, haha.

[GIMMFD]

On top of that, Tye Fagan is a 2018 guy that Jonas Hayes recruited while at Georgia. He is taking an official visit to X this weekend. More likely than not something that went on behind the scenes in playing into Kennedy's decision. He was originally committed to MTSU. Similar player to Kennedy, but word is they prefer his game over Keonte's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNbGU6pCoHE

And I don't blame them, haha.

I know sometimes recruits can fall through the cracks and what not, and we've had some amazing 3 star talent develop but man Fagan looks pretty athletic, could be a nice sleeper, gotta trust the coaching staff's eyes on these things.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

So the guy who tweeted out 3 hours ago that Fagan was visiting X just tweeted out that the visit is no longer happening.

[GIMMFD]

So the guy who tweeted out 3 hours ago that Fagan was visiting X just tweeted out that the visit is no longer happening.

Well... that was short lived excitement. At least we still have Samari Curtis to look forward to. Also, Luke Anderson is basically a done deal for X right? I could have sworn I read that somewhere and that we could expect his commitment any moment.

[XUGRAD80]

I'm jut trying to clarify, because I've seen mentions of a "Dru Hill from Evansville":

Dru Smith is the transfer target from Evansville.
MaCio Teague is the transfer target from UNC Asheville.
Dru Hill is an R&B group from Baltimore, Maryland.
Drew Hill was a football player from Georgia who played for the LA Rams and Houston Oilers. He died in 2011.

Is this correct?

Dru Smith to Missouri

[drudy23]

What's Teague's top school? Are we in the running?

[Lloyd Braun]

What's Teague's top school? Are we in the running?

According to this article (https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-the-top-traditional-transfers-available-this-offseason) Louisville is the favorite and we still may be in the running.

[joe titan]

Chris Mack did recruit Teague for XU when Teague was in high school but when Q accepted scholly his was not in good spot.

[Xville]

According to this article (https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-the-top-traditional-transfers-available-this-offseason) Louisville is the favorite and we still may be in the running.

If I'm a recruit, especially a transfer who is already going to have to sit out a year, I'm not even considering Louisville until I know what the sanctions are. Why risk going somewhere when I may not be able to play in the tourney?..unless I'm a one and doner and don't really give a crap about the college basketball experience; just a means to an end.

[XU 87]

On top of that, Tye Fagan is a 2018 guy that Jonas Hayes recruited while at Georgia. He is taking an official visit to X this weekend. More likely than not something that went on behind the scenes in playing into Kennedy's decision. He was originally committed to MTSU. Similar player to Kennedy, but word is they prefer his game over Keonte's.

[.

I think there are several guys they are recruiting who they prefer over Kennedy, which I also think is the reason Kennedy decommitted ( I think a conversation took place where Steele told Kennedy- "We're honoring your scholarship, but you should know you're probably going to struggle to get playing time at least your first two years.")

[joe titan]

I think there are several guys they are recruiting who they prefer over Kennedy, which I also think is the reason Kennedy decommitted ( I think a conversation took place where Steele told Kennedy- "We're honoring your scholarship, but you should know you're probably going to struggle to get playing time at least your first two years.")

Without casting doubt or aspersions, the premise of your post means Steele and staff are virtually certain that one or more players are ready to commit.

[Juice]

Without casting doubt or aspersions, the premise of your post means Steele and staff are virtually certain that one or more players are ready to commit.

for 2019? Sure. For 2018? I don't think that's a guarantee at all.

[XU 87]

Without casting doubt or aspersions, the premise of your post means Steele and staff are virtually certain that one or more players are ready to commit.

I'm not saying there are "certain" commits (I don't know). I'm just saying that I think there are other guys out there they like more than Kennedy, either in this class or the next class.

[Lloyd Braun]

Teague to Baylor.

[sirthought]

Crap. I would have loved seeing a guy like Teague on this roster.

[GoMuskies]

Teague to Baylor.

The original gutter program. Interesting.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

At least it's not to Dude and Louisville.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Without casting doubt or aspersions, the premise of your post means Steele and staff are virtually certain that one or more players are ready to commit.

Yeah, I take this as meaning that they feel comfortable with off-ball guard depth for the 2018 season with Paul (to an extent), Castlin, and Elias. Obviously having Samari Curtis already committed for '19 is a big factor as well, but hoping it also means Steele feels confident in adding another guard to the 2019 class, making Kennedy's commitment all but obsolete.

[XUMIOH12]

Teague to Baylor.

that is a little surprising to me

[XU 87]

At least it's not to Louisville.

I hate to admit it, but I thought the same thing. I don't want to lose any recruits to Louisville in the future either.

[drudy23]

that is a little surprising to me

And everyone else.

Has Mack landed anyone yet?

[sirthought]

And everyone else.

Has Mack landed anyone yet?

6-1 PG Christen Cunningham, grad transfer from Samford. Not the worst pickup in the world.

[throwbackmuskie]

Teague to Baylor?

[Lloyd Braun]

Tye Fagan to Georgia

[sirthought]

Tye Fagan to Georgia

Not surprised, but still a bummer.

[Lloyd Braun]

Assuming Samari Curtis is still coming to X (no reason to think otherwise at this point) there is little room for similar players entering the same year. Samari is having a nice start to the offseason and will likely climb in rankings fwiw.

[xavierj]

Assuming Samari Curtis is still coming to X (no reason to think otherwise at this point) there is little room for similar players entering the same year. Samari is having a nice start to the offseason and will likely climb in rankings fwiw.

I agree. Think X needs some bigs or at least some guys that can play inside out. Travis I am sure knows what he needs, so all will be good.

[kellernr]

Back to 3 open scholarships

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[xukeith]

Back to 3 open scholarships

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Hope X solidifies all 3 from August-October (hope 1 five star, and 2 four stars) Likely? No. Possible? Anything is.

[kellernr]

Hope X solidifies all 3 from August-October (hope 1 five star, and 2 four stars) Likely? No. Possible? Anything is.For 2019 season? If they leave those 3 unused we will have a total 6 open for next year correct?

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[xukeith]

For 2019 season? If they leave those 3 unused we will have a total 6 open for next year correct?

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Yes at least 6 scholarships. Hope X gets 2 5 stars and the rest 2 four stars and 3 stars.
Probably more grad transfers

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Tramaine Isabell, Drexel transfer who was once at Missouri, is officially visiting X this weekend, per Jon Rothstein.

[MHettel]

I would jump on Isabell. he looks like an effective scorer.

I'm wonderign about minutes and his role. he's a 6'0" guard, so PG is his only option. Brign him off the bench? or move Goodin to SG and bring scruggs off the bench?

Not clear to me, but I'd take him and let it all get sorted out in practice.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

I'm not really sure either. Currently, the roster sits at 4 guards, and two who can handle the point effectively. My only thought is that this would push Castlin's minutes more to the 3, where we are kind of thin. We also supposedly had a visit with Brock Stull, meaning they definitely think it is still an area of need.

Isabell looks to be a really good scorer, which is always nice. The only hesitation I have with him is his time spent at Mizzou, where he had 3 suspensions in 2 seasons for his practice attitude and effort. I trust that Steele would fully vet any decision regarding this, though.

[X-Expert]

He declared for NBA draft in late March but didn't hire an agent. Not saying any of this is his fault but clearly has had challenges at schools. Whoever he chooses will be his 3rd team in 5 years. Personally, this one would worry me a little. Seems like there are definite warning signs.

[xavierj]

He declared for NBA draft in late March but didn't hire an agent. Not saying any of this is his fault but clearly has had challenges at schools. Whoever he chooses will be his 3rd team in 5 years. Personally, this one would worry me a little. Seems like there are definite warning signs.

He averaged 7 rebounds a game. Thats impressive for his size.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville is no longer recruiting him. That can only help our chances.

[XUGRAD80]

X seemed to have trouble with smaller and quicker guards this past year. Not really a good matchup for the guards that X put out there. The coaching staff could be seeing him as filling that need. But can he play defense?

In any advent, no matter how poor his attitude (IF if is) or how many problems he could cause (IF there are any), just how much damage could he do in only ONE year? They have plenty of open scholarships and right now they need to fill 1-2 of them, even if it is only with bodies for practice or in case of illness or injury. Roster depth is still a need.

[Lloyd Braun]

I’ve only seen him play a few times and I came away impressed with his ability to get a basket when needed. He can create his own shot and he can score the ball. Shooting was streaky. Defense was unimpressive and he is somewhat ball dominant. I’m not sure he’s a great fit on paper but as a bench player to be instant offense I could see that if he were willing to fill that role.

[sirthought]

I'd avoid that guy, despite our need for a bench. It might work if we have Scruggs as the main playmaker and he's just there to catch and shoot and defend. But there IS a real risk of someone with bad habits or a bad attitude to rub off on younger players in one year. I'm sure he'll be wanting attention if it's his last shot to make a splash. Never a great recipe at XU.

[smileyy]

X seemed to have trouble with smaller and quicker guards this past year. Not really a good matchup for the guards that X put out there.

Well, X isn't putting some of those guards out there anymore :D Scrizzle is touted as a plus defender. I haven't heard much about Goodin though, either good or bad.

[Xville]

I'd avoid that guy, despite our need for a bench. It might work if we have Scruggs as the main playmaker and he's just there to catch and shoot and defend. But there IS a real risk of someone with bad habits or a bad attitude to rub off on younger players in one year. I'm sure he'll be wanting attention if it's his last shot to make a splash. Never a great recipe at XU.

Was he trouble at all at Drexel? I have no idea. Mizzou is my hometown team so I have some context with what happened there. It was a really really crappy situation there when Kim Anderson was the coach. Nice guy, but couldn't coach at that level and had zero idea how to deal with high division 1 personalities. So in that regard, I'd give Isabell the benefit of the doubt. Now if he continued to have problems at Drexel, that's a different story, but I haven't seen anything.

X could use the depth at the guard spot.

[XUGRAD80]

Well, X isn't putting some of those guards out there anymore :D Scrizzle is touted as a plus defender. I haven't heard much about Goodin though, either good or bad.

I was thinking more along the lines of Goodwin and Scruggs. I never really considered either Bluiett or Macura as real “guards”, but more along the lines of wings. Bluiett in particular was more of designated shooter than a guard in the classic sense. Neither of them were really good man on man defenders. I think thst Scruggs can develop into a really good on the ball defender, but he wasn’t there last year. Goodwin, at 6’4” struggles playing defense against small quick players, but certainly has the advantage in the offensive side of the court. I hope that the guard transfer proves to be defensive Ace, but he sat out a year because of injury and played mostly against a lower level of talent than he will likely see in the BE. Don’t know anything about this guy, but it doesn’t surprise me that X is looking at a small guard as an addition for next year.

[X-Expert]

Understood and you certainly have a better insight than i would given the logistics. However, i thought he was disciplined three separate times which seems to be more of a pattern. I could be wrong about him and i trust Steele but just worried about the history here.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

According to Brian Snow’s Twitter 2019 Armaan Franklin is a X lean. I love this kid’s game.


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[GIMMFD]

According to Brian Snow’s Twitter 2019 Armaan Franklin is a X lean. I love this kid’s game.


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The 4* combo guard outta Indy right?? That's Steele's recruiting playground, I could definitely see him locking up Franklin.

[Olsingledigit]

According to Brian Snow’s Twitter 2019 Armaan Franklin is a X lean. I love this kid’s game.

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He goes to my high school, Cathedral in Indy. Four of my g-kids are classmates of his and say he is a good guy.

[xukeith]

According to this link he is 100% behind X. I assume he committed.
https://247sports.com/Player/Armaan-Franklin-46048921

[kellernr]

[QUOTE=xukeith;624664]According to this link he is 100% behind X. I assume he committed.
[url]https://247sports.com/Player/Armaan

I think it says 100% because they only have 1 expert that made a predicition on there. I think you can become a VIP member on 247 and make your own predictions.

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

According to Brian Snow’s Twitter 2019 Armaan Franklin is a X lean. I love this kid’s game.


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If we get Franklin, I wonder if that will cause Curtis to de-commit. We have several guards and Curtis and Franklin play the same position right? Can someone with knowledge share some light please.

[kellernr]

[QUOTE=FIGHTING MUSKETEER;624666]If we get Franklin, I wonder if that will cause Curtis to de

how many guards did Nova use at the same time?

[xu95]

[QUOTE=xukeith;624664]According to this link he is 100% behind X. I assume he committed.
[url]https://247sports.com/Player/Armaan

I think it says 100% because they only have 1 expert that made a predicition on there. I think you can become a VIP member on 247 and make your own predictions.

It was Brian Snow that made that prediction. I don't think any Tom, Dick, or Harry with a membership can make a prediction. I think it can only be done by the employees of 247. I could be wrong though. I have never tried to make a prediction.

xu95

[BandAid]

Franklin would be a huge get. He and Samari would be the heirs apparent to the Scruggs/Q combo we're rolling with now.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I agree and the guard depth we would have would be killer.


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[GIMMFD]

If we get Franklin, I wonder if that will cause Curtis to de-commit. We have several guards and Curtis and Franklin play the same position right? Can someone with knowledge share some light please.

I don't really have knowledge on the inner workings of everything, but I think we'd have to see what happens after the season, remember we'll always have a small bit of a roster turnover, maybe with Q/Scruggs one of em gets an NBA look (I know, not the highest of possibilities, but just saying that is on the table) and opens up a roster spot. I think after the miserable 2018 recruiting, Steele has to come out and recruit 2019 hard. I could see Curtis decommit though, and I really really hope not, because that kid has something special about him.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Saddiq Bey was just granted his release from NC State. 4* SF from the DMV area who took an official visit to Xavier, and Xavier was very close to landing. We definitely have minutes available for him with the departure of Kaiser and subsequent shifting of Naji to more minutes at the 4. Would be a nice final touch for Steele’s first class.

[XUGRAD80]

Saddiq Bey was just granted his release from NC State. 4* SF from the DMV area who took an official visit to Xavier, and Xavier was very close to landing. We definitely have minutes available for him with the departure of Kaiser and subsequent shifting of Naji to more minutes at the 4. Would be a nice final touch for Steele’s first class.

Ha! I was just posting this on a separate thread while you were posting this here! Great minds think alike! ��

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Would absolutely love for this to happen. Not sure who recruited him at X, which will obviously play a factor. One of the first names mentioned (after X, Pitt, and Miami) was Louisville. They desperately need bodies, but I still wouldn’t touch them with a 10 foot pole if I was at all concerned with playing in the tournament.

[gladdenguy]

Would absolutely love for this to happen. Not sure who recruited him at X, which will obviously play a factor. One of the first names mentioned (after X, Pitt, and Miami) was Louisville. They desperately need bodies, but I still wouldn’t touch them with a 10 foot pole if I was at all concerned with playing in the tournament.

Mike Pegues. If he is blocked from ACC schools I heard it would be VCU.

[webxu]

would he have to sit a year?

[Muskie]

Did he sign NLI paperwork? If he did, I think he does have to sit. Haven’t looked at the rules in a long time. Could very well be wrong.


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[XUGRAD80]

Did he sign NLI paperwork? If he did, I think he does have to sit. Haven’t looked at the rules in a long time. Could very well be wrong.


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He was signed, but they have realeased him from his LOI. Just like X has released Kennedy.

[Muskie]

He was signed, but they have realeased him from his LOI. Just like X has released Kennedy.
Thanks!

[paulxu]

Is it correct that we have 3 open slots for next year's (18-19)team?

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Is it correct that we have 3 open slots for next year's (18-19)team?

Yep, 10 scholarship players currently. 3 grad transfers. No seniors. 2 juniors. 3 sophomores. 2 freshmen

[Lloyd Braun]

Elias King makes his decision today per BSnow.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Heard he was on campus yesterday.

[xukeith]

Yep, 10 scholarship players currently. 3 grad transfers. No seniors. 2 juniors. 3 sophomores. 2 freshmen

10 scholarships currently(out of 13 max) with 3 open to fill if desirable. So with the 3 grad transfers, X has 3 plus 3 more (SIX!) to fill all 2019 or split and wait for some open spots

[xu82]

Heard he was on campus yesterday.

That would be encouraging....fingers crossed!

[xukeith]

Maybe next year get Makinde London as a grad transfer. As a junior, he averaged 13+ points and 6.5+ rebounds per game for Chatanooga. They only won 10 games last year. Maybe he wants to win a championship.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Besides the many other reasons why that would never happen... Makinde signed with an agent

[xukeith]

Besides the many other reasons why that would never happen... Makinde signed with an agent

So sad.

[muskiefan82]

Elias King makes his decision today per BSnow.


2:00 PM can't come fast enough. Come to Xavier! Come to Xavier! Come to Xavier!

[Lloyd Braun]

2:00 PM can't come fast enough. Come to Xavier! Come to Xavier! Come to Xavier!

Yep. He’s a top 50-60 Guy. #XMarksTheSpot?

Edit: I should clarify that the “?” signifies Travis should replace it with something else.

[kellernr]

2pm Eastern Timezone?

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[kellernr]

He's late

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[Lloyd Braun]

2pm Eastern Timezone?

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Crystal ball (https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/996808073296695296?s=12) says X

[muskiefan82]

Yes!!!!!!

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

He’s late, but it was worth the wait!

[kellernr]

Mack woudnt have pulled this off

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[muskiefan82]

Mack woudnt have pulled this off

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Mack would not have hired Coach Hayes either so, there's that, but I do agree that Steele made a huge difference here.

[Lloyd Braun]

Mack woudnt have pulled this off

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Well, he did get Naji who is a pretty decent comp to King.

[kellernr]

I didn't realize how high Marshall and Scruggs were ranked. Scruggs was higher than Marshall but Marshall seemed to be the better player
Well, he did get Naji who is a pretty decent comp to King.

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[ArizonaXUGrad]

Naji was 30 to 70. I think people missed on his talent. Scruggs was consistently 27-32.

King is top 50 on Rivals. This is a great get.


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[IM4X]

I didn't realize how high Marshall and Scruggs were ranked. Scruggs was higher than Marshall but Marshall seemed to be the better player

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Scruggs was a little slow to adjust, but I thought he matured and really played well in some of the games toward the end of the season (took better shots, made smarter decisions, his defense got even better, showed old school X scrappiness on defense like Stan and Jamal did back in their day).

Marshall came out pretty solid from the beginning and always gave tremendous effort. He was a bit recklessness when driving in the lane, though. He needs to work on being more aware of where his teammates are when driving, so he doesn't get caught in traffic and turn it over.

I look forward to seeing them both take their game to another level this coming season.

[kellernr]

Kennedy narrowed his final 3 down to SMU, Texas Tech and Xavier. Is he actually considering X or are we on the list as a courtesy?

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[letskeepitreal]

Scruggs was a little slow to adjust, but I thought he matured and really played well in some of the games toward the end of the season (took better shots, made smarter decisions, his defense got even better, showed old school X scrappiness on defense like Stan and Jamal did back in their day).

Marshall came out pretty solid from the beginning and always gave tremendous effort. He was a bit recklessness when driving in the lane, though. He needs to work on being more aware of where his teammates are when driving, so he doesn't get caught in traffic and turn it over.

I look forward to seeing them both take their game to another level this coming season.

Wasn’t Scruggs injured for much of his prep school year?

[letskeepitreal]

Kennedy narrowed his final 3 down to SMU, Texas Tech and Xavier. Is he actually considering X or are we on the list as a courtesy?

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Don’t know but we probably could use him but he ain’t getting any guarantees re: playing time.

[kellernr]

I think he had minor knee surgery.
Wasn’t Scruggs injured for much of his prep school year?

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[kellernr]

Don’t know but we probably could use him but he ain’t getting any guarantees re: playing time.He would be great to have on the roster next year. He left about the time we picked up 3 grad transfers. Probably didn't see Gates leaving. He could easily take Kaisers place out there. He's only 6'4 but they say he's still growing.

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[bleedXblue]

Kid would do well if he came to X, but his two other schools are close to home.......makes you wonder if something is wanting/needing him to stay close

[XU3232]

Kennedy narrowed his final 3 down to SMU, Texas Tech and Xavier. Is he actually considering X or are we on the list as a courtesy?

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We are just on the list to be on there... no chance he comes to X. He had no connection to Steele once the rest of the staff left for Louisville... and it sounds like Steele preferred other players otherwise he would have tried to get him to stay committed.

[kellernr]

We are just on the list to be on there... no chance he comes to X. He had no connection to Steele once the rest of the staff left for Louisville... and it sounds like Steele preferred other players otherwise he would have tried to get him to stay committed.If X isn't an option why even add them to your list? I think with Gates declaring it changed his mind about decomitting. We will all find out saturday.

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[bleedXblue]

We are just on the list to be on there... no chance he comes to X. He had no connection to Steele once the rest of the staff left for Louisville... and it sounds like Steele preferred other players otherwise he would have tried to get him to stay committed.

Why did Steele head to TX to make another visit to him just last month? He could have pulled the offer after he decommitted.

[kellernr]

Why did Steele head to TX to make another visit to him just last month? He could have pulled the offer after he decommitted.That's how I see it. If X or Kennedy isn't interested then why even have them in your top 3? We still have open scholarships for this season.

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[GIMMFD]

That's how I see it. If X or Kennedy isn't interested then why even have them in your top 3? We still have open scholarships for this season.

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Not to mention Steele also said that he was going to try to keep ALL the recruits after Mack left, not "most of em" or what not. I'm sure we are still interested, if there's an open spot, why not fill it up. I'd like to get Kennedy back, the more the merrier. Want to build competition in practice so we can be as battle ready as possible.

[IM4X]

That's how I see it. If X or Kennedy isn't interested then why even have them in your top 3? We still have open scholarships for this season.


Maybe there is info we do not know and he is seriously considering X now.

Though, if I were a player like him and I knew I was not going to X, I'd definitely still keep X on my list: It's a smart PR Move that makes the prospect appear more highly coveted to the press/public by having X as one of his final schools.

[XU3232]

Maybe there is info we do not know and he is seriously considering X now.

Though, if I were a player like him and I knew I was not going to X, I'd definitely still keep X on my list: It's a smart PR Move that makes the prospect appear more highly coveted to the press/public by having X as one of his final schools.

Yep pretty much. Kids do this ALL the time... they have schools on their "lists" that they are not going to no matter what. Keonte will not be committing to X. Steele wasn't going to make it public that he basically pulled his scholarship either, that would be a bad look. I'm sure he probably flew down to see him and basically told him he will have major competition for minutes along with the fact that Luke Murray was the one that had the relationship with him. This works out best for both parties.

[bleedXblue]

Yep pretty much. Kids do this ALL the time... they have schools on their "lists" that they are not going to no matter what. Keonte will not be committing to X. Steele wasn't going to make it public that he basically pulled his scholarship either, that would be a bad look. I'm sure he probably flew down to see him and basically told him he will have major competition for minutes along with the fact that Luke Murray was the one that had the relationship with him. This works out best for both parties.

you don't fly down to TX to do that......no way

[MHettel]

Yep pretty much. Kids do this ALL the time... they have schools on their "lists" that they are not going to no matter what. Keonte will not be committing to X. Steele wasn't going to make it public that he basically pulled his scholarship either, that would be a bad look. I'm sure he probably flew down to see him and basically told him he will have major competition for minutes along with the fact that Luke Murray was the one that had the relationship with him. This works out best for both parties.

No offense, but I'm not buying this. I have no idea what Kennedy is thinking about his final decision, and the fact that he initially decomiitted from XU is certainly telling...

But I dont buy that he's kept XU on his list for "PR reasons." What exactly is the end game for that move? PR for what? So other schools might belieive that THEY should offer him just cause XU did? Would we fall for that ruse, or would we just evaluate the player based on what we see with our own eyes. It just makes no sense. Either Xavier has an offer extended to him, or we dont. Does anyone actually know that answer?

And, lets think about Steele's objective for going to Texas. Kennedy was under an LOI. I dont think we could just "pull" his scholarship. Travis openly said he wanted to keep everyone, then made a trip to Texas which resulted in Kennedy asking for his release. Seems unnecessary for Travis to make that trip. If he wanted to encourage Kennedy to ask for his release, it would seem that a cold phone call may have more effectively sent that message. Publicly say you want to keep him, then go visit and have him ask for his release.....that doesn't reflect well on Travis as a recruiter. And, I'm sure he had higher priority targets to get on an airplane to see, other than go see a guy he DOESNT want.

I dont have a problem if he moves on, and he should go where he is most comfortable. But this ideas that there is a "phantom" scholarship offer and "phantom" interest by Kennedy is just a little over the top for me. if we didnt want him, we'd have moved along well before now.

[bleedXblue]

No offense, but I'm not buying this. I have no idea what Kennedy is thinking about his final decision, and the fact that he initially decomiitted from XU is certainly telling...

But I dont buy that he's kept XU on his list for "PR reasons." What exactly is the end game for that move? PR for what? So other schools might belieive that THEY should offer him just cause XU did? Would we fall for that ruse, or would we just evaluate the player based on what we see with our own eyes. It just makes no sense. Either Xavier has an offer extended to him, or we dont. Does anyone actually know that answer?

And, lets think about Steele's objective for going to Texas. Kennedy was under an LOI. I dont think we could just "pull" his scholarship. Travis openly said he wanted to keep everyone, then made a trip to Texas which resulted in Kennedy asking for his release. Seems unnecessary for Travis to make that trip. If he wanted to encourage Kennedy to ask for his release, it would seem that a cold phone call may have more effectively sent that message. Publicly say you want to keep him, then go visit and have him ask for his release.....that doesn't reflect well on Travis as a recruiter. And, I'm sure he had higher priority targets to get on an airplane to see, other than go see a guy he DOESNT want.

I dont have a problem if he moves on, and he should go where he is most comfortable. But this ideas that there is a "phantom" scholarship offer and "phantom" interest by Kennedy is just a little over the top for me. if we didnt want him, we'd have moved along well before now.

exactly

[XU3232]

No offense, but I'm not buying this. I have no idea what Kennedy is thinking about his final decision, and the fact that he initially decomiitted from XU is certainly telling...

But I dont buy that he's kept XU on his list for "PR reasons." What exactly is the end game for that move? PR for what? So other schools might belieive that THEY should offer him just cause XU did? Would we fall for that ruse, or would we just evaluate the player based on what we see with our own eyes. It just makes no sense. Either Xavier has an offer extended to him, or we dont. Does anyone actually know that answer?

And, lets think about Steele's objective for going to Texas. Kennedy was under an LOI. I dont think we could just "pull" his scholarship. Travis openly said he wanted to keep everyone, then made a trip to Texas which resulted in Kennedy asking for his release. Seems unnecessary for Travis to make that trip. If he wanted to encourage Kennedy to ask for his release, it would seem that a cold phone call may have more effectively sent that message. Publicly say you want to keep him, then go visit and have him ask for his release.....that doesn't reflect well on Travis as a recruiter. And, I'm sure he had higher priority targets to get on an airplane to see, other than go see a guy he DOESNT want.

I dont have a problem if he moves on, and he should go where he is most comfortable. But this ideas that there is a "phantom" scholarship offer and "phantom" interest by Kennedy is just a little over the top for me. if we didnt want him, we'd have moved along well before now.

You don't have to buy it.... I don't know all of the exact details behind everything because I wasn't there, but Keonte will 100% not be coming to X.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, don't see the "PR Purpose" of having Xavier on his list. We're not talking about Kentucky, Kansas, Duke or Carolina. No one cares about a kid having Xavier on his list of schools.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You don't have to buy it.... I don't know all of the exact details behind everything because I wasn't there, but Keonte will 100% not be coming to X.

Inside info or just intuition? I tend to agree but there are times a recruit decommits and commits again for the new coach.


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[scoscox]

Yeah, don't see the "PR Purpose" of having Xavier on his list. We're not talking about Kentucky, Kansas, Duke or Carolina. No one cares about a kid having Xavier on his list of schools.

We are his biggest offer. Having been a #1 seed, our brand is fairly strong right now. I think we're basically on there for the intrigue of maybe he'll come back to us. I don't really expect him to recommit, but it's possible. Travis is apparently still looking at 2018 shooting guards, so it wouldn't be surprising if he is still making an effort for kennedy

[XU3232]

Inside info or just intuition? I tend to agree but there are times a recruit decommits and commits again for the new coach.


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Absolutely.. this just isn't one of those cases and I think Travis is fine with that. Let's just say if you were on the 24/7 Xavier website you'd see how it all kind of played out.

[MHettel]

Absolutely.. this just isn't one of those cases and I think Travis is fine with that. Let's just say if you were on the 24/7 Xavier website you'd see how it all kind of played out.

I guess the way that I see it is that he may or may not come to XU, and we will find out shortly. But if he DOESN'T come to XU, it doesnt necessarily validate the "set up events" that you outlined.

I think Steele would like to keep him and has made plans in teh event he chooses elsewhere.

[xukeith]

I honestly believe Kennedy is publicly showing X as an option to make himself look more attractive.

I say there is a 10% chance he commits to X as I believe he won't get many minutes with Goodin, Scruggs, Hardin and the Columbia grad student consuming guard minutes.
X has 9 solid players. Hope nobody gets injured.

[IM4X]

We are his biggest offer. Having been a #1 seed, our brand is VERY strong right now. I think we're basically on there for the intrigue of maybe he'll come back to us. I don't really expect him to recommit, but it's possible. Travis is apparently still looking at 2018 shooting guards, so it wouldn't be surprising if he is still making an effort for kennedy

Bingo... Fixed just one word for you.

[MHettel]

I honestly believe Kennedy is publicly showing X as an option to make himself look more attractive.

I say there is a 10% chance he commits to X as I believe he won't get many minutes with Goodin, Scruggs, Hardin and the Columbia grad student consuming guard minutes.
X has 9 solid players. Hope nobody gets injured.


Well you can’t commit to a school if you do t have an offer. So are we saying that there is still an offer to him from XU? If so, this whole theory that XU pulled his offer and let him save face by decommitting is pretty much blown up.

[IM4X]

Yeah, don't see the "PR Purpose" of having Xavier on his list. We're not talking about Kentucky, Kansas, Duke or Carolina. No one cares about a kid having Xavier on his list of schools.

Maybe you are just being facetious.

But if not... Wow... How could some of you act like we're still an MCC school lucky to land one 4 star and crossing our fingers we somehow can sneak into the tournament. Have you not been paying attention to how much X has moved up the food chain in the past 10 years. We just won the BE regular season title and had a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. Of course it makes him look really good to keep X on his list.


It is very possibly we finish with a top 15 recruiting class for the second time in three years. Even our new assistants (coming from very respectable basketball schools) said they couldn't pass up the opportunity to be at a big time program like X with such a great brand when offered the job.

We may not yet be the Duke or Kentucky or Kansas or Carolina level of recruiting, but we are getting closer every year. We have moved passed many of the BE schools and many of the other Power 5 schools in terms of recruiting and success on the court and in terms of being very good school to get an offer from.

To those of you fans/ alumni who are still in denial: X is legit people!!!!

[GoMuskies]

Of course X is legit. But no one who is not a Xavier fan sees a kid with a Xavier offer and thinks, "Wow, this kid must be a STUD if he's got a Xavier offer!" Xavier is, of course, well-respected. But we're not THAT kind of program.

Lest you forget, we also just had an alum, Cincinnati native leave to take a head coaching job elsewhere, and no one was particularly surprised that he left.

[xukeith]

Well you can’t commit to a school if you do t have an offer. So are we saying that there is still an offer to him from XU? If so, this whole theory that XU pulled his offer and let him save face by decommitting is pretty much blown up.

I can only guess that he asked for a decommitment to look at other options including X as he was recruited by Murray and Mack. Steele possibly wanted all incoming commitments to stay o he gave him the freedom to look and commit back to X if he changed his mind.

It sounds illogical for Steele to do this BUT it is the only theory I can come up with UNLESS Kennedy is lying and can only commit to SMU or Texas Tech.

[IM4X]

Oh I remember that guy who left for the golden parachute deal because he didn't believe he could do ant better at X... And I would agree that he probably couldn't. So it was indeed the smart move for him to move on. I just don't like his selfish choice of trying to make himself look good, while attempting to make the X - the school that did so much for you - look small. Just wasn't necessary. Just wasn't classy.

The guy said he wasn't able to land the kind of players at X to win a championship... Which is BS because he did have the players (which Steele is also proving can be done at X). The truth is Mack just didn't have his very talented players prepared to be playing their best basketball during the tournament and didn't coach his best basketball during those games.

Interesting though that he leaves and X has two 4 star committed for 2019 with a few more 4 star prospects likely to sign as well.

[xukeith]

Oh I remember that guy who left for the golden parachute deal and because he didn't believe he could do ant better at X... And I would agree.

The cry baby said he couldn't recruit players... Which he did... And which Steele is proving can be done at X. The truth is Mack just couldn't coach them up to play their best in the tournament.

thats the truth.

Why do we have two 4 star commits and a few others with X at the top of their list

Mack said he couldn't recruit players at X? hmm

[scoscox]

Of course X is legit. But no one who is not a Xavier fan sees a kid with a Xavier offer and thinks, "Wow, this kid must be a STUD if he's got a Xavier offer!" Xavier is, of course, well-respected. But we're not THAT kind of program.

Lest you forget, we also just had an alum, Cincinnati native leave to take a head coaching job elsewhere, and no one was particularly surprised that he left.

As far as recruiting five star kids you're right, but for a 3 star like Keonte, a Xavier offer is a big deal and by far his best offer.

[scoscox]

Mack said he couldn't recruit players at X? hmm

I think he said he would have a better chance of landing more of his priority recruits at louisville or something along those lines.

[Lloyd Braun]

We can stop holding our breath as Hankins has officially withdrawn from the NBA draft.

[GIMMFD]

We can stop holding our breath as Hankins has officially withdrawn from the NBA draft.

Wait, he entered his name into the draft?? I didn't even see that lol.

[Xuperman]

Don't lol.....He is a National Champion and D2 POY! MORE importantly, he IS a Musketeer now!! We are very fortunate to have him.

[xu82]

Wait, he entered his name into the draft?? I didn't even see that lol.

Did you at least notice me? It seems every person who’s ever attempted a HS FT enters their name these days.

[GIMMFD]

Did you at least notice me? It seems every person who’s ever attempted a HS FT enters their name these days.

I mean I like Calipari's reasoning behind entering everyone into the draft, as it tells you what you need to work on to get better as a player, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, I just happened to miss that memo somehow.

[GoMuskies]

Any chance we can divert Reid Travis's plane from Lexington to Cincinnati on his way in from Palo Alto?

[muskies1235]

Anybody heard anything about Jake Walter?

Have heard something is up.

[xavierj]

Anybody heard anything about Jake Walter?

Have heard something is up.

Yes. But I am sure it will come out at some point.

[JTG]

Yes. But I am sure it will come out at some point.

Wtf, are we gonna lose all our recruits , and commits ?

[xavierj]

Wtf, are we gonna lose all our recruits , and commits ?

It’s not a de-commit

[IM4X]

It’s not a de-commit

Gotta give us something...Will the "Something is up" likely lead to him not being part of next year's team?

Did he get in trouble? Missing credits? Are they having trouble at X finding Kenny Frease's old uniform for him to wear?

Is Mack going after him to come to Louisville?

I saw that at least three bigs in the top 150 seem very interested in coming to X next year. Is Walter rethinking his commitment, worried there will be too many bigs?

Getting warm with any of these?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes. But I am sure it will come out at some point.


Anybody heard anything about Jake Walter?

Have heard something is up.

Yes have heard as well.

[webxu]

Telllllll ussssssss!

[Lloyd Braun]

Any chance we can divert Reid Travis's plane from Lexington to Cincinnati on his way in from Palo Alto?

I was thinking the same thing, he would be a hell of an addition. Why he would go to UK though is a head scratcher. There’s a nice wide open spot at Nova that suits him way better.

[bleedXblue]

Walter looked to me to be a HUGE project and significant reach by Mack.

[kellernr]

Walter looked to me to be a HUGE project and significant reach by Mack.Ya. If we lose him I won't be upset.

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[Lloyd Braun]

Walter looked to me to be a HUGE project and significant reach by Mack.

I see what you did there...

[XMuskieFTW]

Will it ultimately lead to something that rhymes with bedflirt?

[ChicagoX]

Jon Rothstein on Twitter: Drexel grad transfer Tramaine Isabell tells me he has cut his list to Xavier, Boston College, and Saint Louis. Immediately eligible. Averaged 21.0 PPG.

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1002299491385520135

[kellernr]

Jon Rothstein on Twitter: Drexel grad transfer Tramaine Isabell tells me he has cut his list to Xavier, Boston College, and Saint Louis. Immediately eligible. Averaged 21.0 PPG.

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1002299491385520135Sign him up. Might be a defensive liability at 6ft1in but we have open scholarships

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[XUGRAD80]

Sign him up. Might be a defensive liability at 6ft1in but we have open scholarships

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Then again, he might have been a defensive asset against some of the smaller and quicker guards that lit X up last season. Can’t really know for sure either way, but those open scholarships aren’t doing anybody any good sitting open.

[casualfan]

Will it ultimately lead to something that rhymes with bedflirt?

No. It is a legal issue.

[Lloyd Braun]

St John’s gets Mustapha Heron... If he gets a waiver for this year watch out. Could be a top 3 team in BE.

[drudy23]

St John’s gets Mustapha Heron... If he gets a waiver for this year watch out. Could be a top 3 team in BE.

Stop.

And Jake Walter would have been the last person I guessed being in legal trouble. WTF man?

Another season that starts out looking great and falls apart before it even starts. The good thing is, we go to the Elite 8 on those years.

[Lloyd Braun]

Ponds, Heron, Simon, Clark is pretty badass IMO. I know the coaching leaves something to be desired but they could be dangerous.

[XMuskieFTW]

Ponds, Heron, Simon, Clark is pretty badass IMO. I know the coaching leaves something to be desired but they could be dangerous.

Also Mikey Dixon who averaged 16.5/4/2 two years ago at quinnipiac. Also a Juco kid who was a former top 100 coming in. They’re absolutely loaded at guard. They just have no size/coach at all. Definitely have the talent of a tourney team.

[muskiefan82]

St John’s gets Mustapha Heron... If he gets a waiver for this year watch out. Could be a top 3 team in BE.

2290

[SemajParlor]

Saw Heron play in High School. Saw Dixon play at Quinnipiac. They're adding 2 very good guards.

Mullin seems to have cornered the market on lefty guards from the Northeast.

[Masterofreality]

Stop.

And Jake Walter would have been the last person I guessed being in legal trouble. WTF man?

Another season that starts out looking great and falls apart before it even starts. The good thing is, we go to the Elite 8 on those years.

Might want to slow the walk on that ish. The guy who is cited in a police report has a last name of "WalterS" and, yeah, is in Kentucky but a damn long way from Covington. Also had a different birthday.

I think I'll wait for something official on this, but it may not come because it (probably) ain't him.

[muskies1235]

Might want to slow the walk on that ish. The guy who is cited in a police report has a last name of "WalterS" and, yeah, is in Kentucky but a damn long way from Covington. Also had a different birthday.

I think I'll wait for something official on this, but it may not come because it (probably) ain't him.

That police report may not be him, and based on what I've heard and read I wouldn't be surprised if it's not, but there is enough smoke out there (i.e. multiple "in the know" people claiming he had his 'ship pulled) that I think it's pretty clear something is going on.

[GoMuskies]

Josh Nickelberry committed to Louisville. I know that Mack was recruiting him when he was at Xavier, but I have no idea if Xavier was in the mix at all at this point.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I havent heard or seen anything about a police report but have heard what is going on with him and the person who told me was not going off of any police report.

I have not heard anything about his scholarship being pulled though.

[sirthought]

looks like Tramaine Isabell is going to St. Louis

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[RyanblockXU]

Might want to slow the walk on that ish. The guy who is cited in a police report has a last name of "WalterS" and, yeah, is in Kentucky but a damn long way from Covington. Also had a different birthday.

I think I'll wait for something official on this, but it may not come because it (probably) ain't him.




This is not on a police report. Pretty sure Minors police reports aren't made public. But I can say that its real and If I had to guess he won't ever play for Xavier let alone any D1 school.

based on what I've heard, I'm writing him off. Best for Xavier to create as much distance as possible.

[Muskie in dayton]

And Jake Walter would have been the last person I guessed being in legal trouble. WTF man?

He is the son of a former Bengals player. Just sayin’.

[XUBison]

Crap… Our crappy recruiting class has gone right down the crapper. Thank God for grad transfers.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

First, he would be coming on campus soon so he should be 18 and no longer a minor. What did he do? Allegedly?


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[Chalmers0]

First, he would be coming on campus soon so he should be 18 and no longer a minor. What did he do? Allegedly?


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He was a grade ahead of his age, I believe recruiting articles at the time of his commitment stated he wouldn't turn 18 until well into his freshman year

[xuphan]

So what did he allegedly do?

[Masterofreality]

This is not on a police report. Pretty sure Minors police reports aren't made public. But I can say that its real and If I had to guess he won't ever play for Xavier let alone any D1 school.

based on what I've heard, I'm writing him off. Best for Xavier to create as much distance as possible.

Yup. Since I made that post I was sent some info by a 100% credible source. It looks very very bad for Mr. Walter. Not a very smart move on his part.

We will move on.

[DexterBailey84]

nm

[xu82]

seriously? you're a fucking idiot.

I’m hoping that was just a bad joke.

[drudy23]

Yup. Since I made that post I was sent some info by a 100% credible source. It looks very very bad for Mr. Walter. Not a very smart move on his part.

We will move on.

Give us something it rhymes with.

Furglary? Hexual default? Regular default?

[GoMuskies]

Give us something it rhymes with.

Furglary? Hexual default? Regular default?

Ducking a boat?

[DexterBailey84]

Ducking a boat?

he fk'd a goat??

[Xuperman]

Yup. Since I made that post I was sent some info by a 100% credible source. It looks very very bad for Mr. Walter. Not a very smart move on his part.

Was he holdin' a sack of that dang mariji-uana?

[GIMMFD]

Was he holdin' a sack of that dang mariji-uana?

I don't think that'd be enough to get a scholarship pulled, people are pretty laxed about that, especially with it being legal in some places, it seems like it has to be something pretty bad.

[RyanblockXU]

I don't think that'd be enough to get a scholarship pulled, people are pretty laxed about that, especially with it being legal in some places, it seems like it has to be something pretty bad.

I’d call it the worst allegation on the planet outside of maybe murder.

Just forget Jake Walter ever existed a my advice

[GoMuskies]

I’d call it the worst allegation on the planet outside of maybe murder.

Just forget Jake Walter ever existed a my advice

He's a Dayton fan?

[xu82]

He's a Dayton fan?

Well done....I was too slow.

[xukeith]

Was he holdin' a sack of that dang mariji-uana?

No way would that prevent a scholarship. Only if he was selling it to 7th and 8th graders, then X might pull his scholly.

I bet it is person vs. person (assault) or selling illegal substances.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Holy crap what did this kid allegedly do for it to be the worst thing not murder?


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