Andy Mac podcast

[JTG]

Listened to the Andy Mac/ Brad Redford podcast on MMMadness. He brought up a good point. If the contract with UL took place in NYC during the BE tournament, how is that not tampering, and punishable by the NCAA ? Don't schools need to get permission from the AD to talk to another schools coach ? Doesn't this just add to the underhanded offenses UL has committed ?8

[bjf123]

I’m not sure you’d get anyone to admit that. If it happened, it was probably discussions between Mack’s agent and representatives from UL, with no direct contact with Chris. It might not be illegal, but it’s certainly unethical. I’m sure we’e got a few attorneys on here. What say you?


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[xu82]

I pray they can dig up enough to get the NCAA ban to 7 years. That filthy program deserves every year of that.

[Masterofreality]

Listened to the Andy Mac/ Brad Redford podcast on MMMadness. He brought up a good point. If the contract with UL took place in NYC during the BE tournament, how is that not tampering, and punishable by the NCAA ? Don't schools need to get permission from the AD to talk to another schools coach ? Doesn't this just add to the underhanded offenses UL has committed ?8

I heard from *Sources* that Mack's last contract extension had language in it that allowed contact with U of L, with no permission from X required. That was the only school that was specified. Greg Christopher had to know this time had been coming for a while, but hoped against it.
Didn't it seem unusual that there was never a "request " from Sewerville to speak with Mack? That's because it was already allowed.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Can we finally discuss what happened to Mack at MND? Are the rumors true or just rumors?

[xnatic03]

Can we finally discuss what happened to Mack at MND? Are the rumors true or just rumors?

I know the rumors you speak of and I've heard there is truth to them, but just because he left, doesn't mean it needs to be brought up now

[xeus]

Not familiar w the MND story. What's the gist of it?

[MHettel]

Can we finally discuss what happened to Mack at MND? Are the rumors true or just rumors?

What is MND?

[usfldan]

What is MND?

Mount Notre Dame. The all-girls high school where he was head coach before starting his college coaching career.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well why can’t we bring it up? He screwed us over so I think it’s time to talk about it.

[rationalbearcatfan]

First off, I come in peace. As a UC football fan, I know how bad it sucks to lose coaches after getting many "I love it here, I'm not leaving" speeches and forever getting the stepping stone label. Also not here to kick you while you are down, I visit many other school forums just to keep up and get news from other sources besides the two schools I root for.

I've always wanted to post the MND rumor question as I've heard it as well, starting years ago, and I have zero sources related in any way to Xavier. It came from a source in the high school coaching circle. I won't repeat it, but always wondered if it was true since the source kind of pulled back after asking about it again later.

[paulxu]

I’m not sure you’d get anyone to admit that. If it happened, it was probably discussions between Mack’s agent and representatives from UL, with no direct contact with Chris. It might not be illegal, but it’s certainly unethical. I’m sure we’e got a few attorneys on here. What say you?


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The attorney for David Dennison's attorney says that David didn't know anything about it at all.

[XUGRAD80]

Well why can’t we bring it up? He screwed us over so I think it’s time to talk about it.

Please explain just how he screwed YOU over?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Screwed the fans over. Me personally he didn’t. But after 12 beers and another opening day dissappointment I guess I felt like Mack was to blame.

[OH.X.MI]

Listened to the Andy Mac/ Brad Redford podcast on MMMadness. He brought up a good point. If the contract with UL took place in NYC during the BE tournament, how is that not tampering, and punishable by the NCAA ? Don't schools need to get permission from the AD to talk to another schools coach ? Doesn't this just add to the underhanded offenses UL has committed ?8

I am absolutely convinced he had agreed to go to Louisville in the summer of 2017. Ablsoutly no top level reunites after a season with a 2 seed and then an elite 8? Those weren’t recurring misses - the cbb world knew he was moving on.

They let Padgett be the sacrificial lamb for a year to let the storm blow over a bit. But an agreement was made. Don’t let the apologist tell you other wise. Brian snow and all the other X “journalist” have or would deny this. I like Snow’s coverage. But those writers know where the bread is buttered.

[OTRMUSKIE]

That has to be correct. Why would we miss on so many recruits. Thanks Mack!!!!! Man it would be sweet to see Louisville get the death penalty. They won’t of course.

[Snipe]

Fever swamp delusional.

[Muskie in dayton]

Please explain just how he screwed YOU over?

He screwed over all XU fans. Did he screw you over?

[JTG]

Why did the AD agree to this? Mack could have left the day after Pitino was fired. Or, has Christopher known all along that we would do fine with Steele ? So the clause was not a big deal.

[Snipe]

Fever swamp: Hey Mack, when did you stop beating your wife?

C Mack: What? I never

Fever Swamp: OMG! CHRIS MACK ADMITS HE HAS NEVER STOPPED BEATING HIS WIFE!!

[OTRMUSKIE]

Now let’s switch it to Chris Mack beats his wife and let someone who just grazes over this thread and the rumor should be as far as Utah by weeks end.

[Snipe]

Hey Maybe Greg Christopher was on the take as well? Maybe the rumors of him being part of a Louisville sleeper cell are true.

[GoMuskies]

I think we've learned that if anyone was doing the beating in that family, it was Christi.

[Masterofreality]

I think we've learned that if anyone was doing the beating in that family, it was Christi.

+1

[paulxu]

All you deep state conspiracy theorists about Mack's contract (time, place, date, etc.) who think it was early and he lost focus, don't you think a FF or NC this year would have got him an extra $500K on the contract?

[XUGRAD80]

He screwed over all XU fans. Did he screw you over?

No, I don’t feel he screwed me or any other FAN over. If he promised his assistant coaches that he was staying forever, if he told a recruit that he had no plans to go anywhere, if they tried to use an offer from UL as leverage against the administration.....they could all say that he screwed THEM over.

But how does a coach leaving for another job, especially when the other team isn’t even the same conference, screw fans over? Don’t know about anyone else but I don’t tune into the games to watch the coach, I tune in to watch the players. He didn’t leave a week before the season started. He didn’t leave mid season. He didn’t even leave mid recruit signing period. He left at the end of a season.

You want to know who screwed a fan base over....Rick Pitino, that’s who. He broke all kinds of rules, got fans to buy into what is actually a fantasy, took millions of dollars in donor money, and after getting caught breaking rules is trying to sue the university for more money! But Mack didn’t do any of that.

People just don’t want to realize that this is a business, and like any business, employees come and go. The business is bigger than any one employee.

[scoscox]

One could argue he screwed us over by getting out coached by Leonard Hamilton and I will do that

[gladdenguy]

One could argue he screwed us over by getting out coached by Leonard Hamilton and I will do that


I think we've learned that if anyone was doing the beating in that family, it was Christi.

Both of these were fantastic. Thank you both.

[bleedXblue]

Coaching in the FSU game was horrible. A few bad calls didn't go our way, but I will forever put that loss squarely on CM.

[paulxu]

I'm really curious. Do you honestly put the FSU loss on Mack's shoulders?
If so, exactly how could he have coached differently that would have given us the win.

From my perspective, we just didn't quite play to our usual level.
If we had hit our season averages of FTs (78%) and TO's (13, not 18), we would have won...let alone if we exceeded them.
We held FSU below their season average on shooting percentages, so perhaps Mack's defensive calls were OK.
Where they did perform better was at the FT line (+4 pts), where we performed worse (-4).
Not quite sure what Mack can do about our poor FT's, or their better than average FT's. That surely was the difference in game points.

I think Trevon particularly must be feeling down as he didn't play to his season averages, and that would have been huge.
I think it hurts him to have a season high in TO's occur in his last senior game.
None of the seniors wanted to go out this way.
But they gave us 4 years of wonderful basketball, for which I am very grateful.
I look forward to Trevon's number being retired for his great career.

It makes sense since Mack left us to blame this loss on him, but I don't see it that way.

[GenerationX]

I'm really curious. Do you honestly put the FSU loss on Mack's shoulders?
If so, exactly how could he have coached differently that would have given us the win.

From my perspective, we just didn't quite play to our usual level.
If we had hit our season averages of FTs (78%) and TO's (13, not 18), we would have won...let alone if we exceeded them.
We held FSU below their season average on shooting percentages, so perhaps Mack's defensive calls were OK.
Where they did perform better was at the FT line (+4 pts), where we performed worse (-4).
Not quite sure what Mack can do about our poor FT's, or their better than average FT's. That surely was the difference in game points.

I think Trevon particularly must be feeling down as he didn't play to his season averages, and that would have been huge.
I think it hurts him to have a season high in TO's occur in his last senior game.
None of the seniors wanted to go out this way.
But they gave us 4 years of wonderful basketball, for which I am very grateful.
I look forward to Trevon's number being retired for his great career.

It makes sense since Mack left us to blame this loss on him, but I don't see it that way.

Thanks for the perspective, Paul. I love this team and am grateful for the wonderful memories and accomplishments. Trevon most definitely deserves to be in the rafters!

[bleedXblue]

I'm really curious. Do you honestly put the FSU loss on Mack's shoulders?
If so, exactly how could he have coached differently that would have given us the win.

From my perspective, we just didn't quite play to our usual level.
If we had hit our season averages of FTs (78%) and TO's (13, not 18), we would have won...let alone if we exceeded them.
We held FSU below their season average on shooting percentages, so perhaps Mack's defensive calls were OK.
Where they did perform better was at the FT line (+4 pts), where we performed worse (-4).
Not quite sure what Mack can do about our poor FT's, or their better than average FT's. That surely was the difference in game points.

I think Trevon particularly must be feeling down as he didn't play to his season averages, and that would have been huge.
I think it hurts him to have a season high in TO's occur in his last senior game.
None of the seniors wanted to go out this way.
But they gave us 4 years of wonderful basketball, for which I am very grateful.
I look forward to Trevon's number being retired for his great career.

It makes sense since Mack left us to blame this loss on him, but I don't see it that way.


From my perspective he sat in the 1-3-1 for too long and let FSU score at will for a 4-5 minute stretch. I don't care if you're in foul trouble or not.....that let FSU right back into the game.

Not getting your best player more/better shots is inexcusable. The fact that he went to Kanter in the most critical possession of the game and not to your 2,000 point scorer is mind boggling. Not being critical of Kanter........but you should be winning or losing that game with Tre getting the ball with a well run play or two down the stretch.

Sure X missed some FT's and didn't play their best game, but too many tactical coaching errors when the game was on the line. IMHO

[AviatorX]

From my perspective he sat in the 1-3-1 for too long and let FSU score at will for a 4-5 minute stretch. I don't care if you're in foul trouble or not.....that let FSU right back into the game.

Not getting your best player more/better shots is inexcusable. The fact that he went to Kanter in the most critical possession of the game and not to your 2,000 point scorer is mind boggling. Not being critical of Kanter........but you should be winning or losing that game with Tre getting the ball with a well run play or two down the stretch.

Sure X missed some FT's and didn't play their best game, but too many tactical coaching errors when the game was on the line. IMHO

He got Trevon the ball twice in the home stretch and he turned it over.

[bjf123]

He got Trevon the ball twice in the home stretch and he turned it over.

I’m guessing that FSU was also hedging towards doubling Tre. JP was out of the game, so the smart assumption was something would be drawn up for Tre. Kanter had a wide open three, which he’s hit before.

Also, had Mack pulled out of the 1-3-1 and JP fouled out earlier, he’d be vilified on here for not staying with it to protect JP.


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[gladdenguy]

When you are up 11 with 9 minutes to go and lose to Leonard Hamilton....yes you coached poorly.

I agree, Bleed. He sat in the 1-3-1 and they got in the paint for 5-10 foot easy shots like 5 or 6 times. It was maddening.

Glad we have a better coach now.

[GoMuskies]

They scored against the 1-3-1 every [expletive] possession. I wanted to throw something at the TV when we were still in it after about two possessions.

[Muskie in dayton]

No, I don’t feel he screwed me or any other FAN over. If he promised his assistant coaches that he was staying forever, if he told a recruit that he had no plans to go anywhere, if they tried to use an offer from UL as leverage against the administration.....they could all say that he screwed THEM over.

But how does a coach leaving for another job, especially when the other team isn’t even the same conference, screw fans over? Don’t know about anyone else but I don’t tune into the games to watch the coach, I tune in to watch the players. He didn’t leave a week before the season started. He didn’t leave mid season. He didn’t even leave mid recruit signing period. He left at the end of a season.

You want to know who screwed a fan base over....Rick Pitino, that’s who. He broke all kinds of rules, got fans to buy into what is actually a fantasy, took millions of dollars in donor money, and after getting caught breaking rules is trying to sue the university for more money! But Mack didn’t do any of that.

People just don’t want to realize that this is a business, and like any business, employees come and go. The business is bigger than any one employee.

“Fan” is short for fanatical. That’s where your argument falls apart. A true fan does not base their feelings or opinions on pragmatism, and to a fan, it will never be “just a business”. So yes, he did screw over THE FANS. Let us be fans.

[MHettel]

Little off topic, but I think it’s fitting that in both the Providence and FSU losses, JP fouled out at the end, on charge calls where he was taking it to the rim hard. Not sure I agree with the calls, but that’s JP for you.

Trevon missed that bunny against Providence that would have won it, and was absolutely horrible against FSU. Limp. Only word I can use to describe it. Biggest moment... and just limp

[sirthought]

The FSU loss is totally on Mack. Call time outs, make set plays. Don't let the ball sit in Kanter's hands again and again every trip at the end. No motion. No ball movement. No screens. No wonder FSU was able to defend.

Our team was losing the lead and we had our least experienced players trying to run the show. That was a total result of the coach not making winning moves. It may have even been his way of the team not reaching a higher result, now that we see his destination.

[UCGRAD4X]

The FSU loss is totally on Mack. Call time outs, make set plays. Don't let the ball sit in Kanter's hands again and again every trip at the end. No motion. No ball movement. No screens. No wonder FSU was able to defend.

Our team was losing the lead and we had our least experienced players trying to run the show. That was a total result of the coach not making winning moves. It may have even been his way of the team not reaching a higher result, now that we see his destination.

As it turns out, from his own lips, he never really bought into Xavier being able to compete with the big boys. He may have actually though he was doing the best he could with what he had, but it would never be enough. He may have believed the first few years, but he lost that lovin' feeling.

He lost his passion and his faith and just played out the string. How can you get the players to buy in when you yourself are not all in?

[Masterofreality]

As it turns out, from his own lips, he never really bought into Xavier being able to compete with the big boys. He may have actually though he was doing the best he could with what he had, but it would never be enough. He may have believed the first few years, but he lost that lovin' feeling.

He lost his passion and his faith and just played out the string. How can you get the players to buy in when you yourself are not all in?

Not saying Coach Dude wasn't trying to win, but I have it on excellent authority that this exit to the cesspool was in his working plan for a long time. There was a reason why there was a clause in his contract that allowed him to talk on the sewer line without permission from Xavier required. When Padgett was only named interim coach last year, the handwriting was on the wall. I understand that those items would be vehemently denied by some who cover Xavier for a living...they need access and they won't screw their guy over by confirming, nor should they.

In any event, Coach Dude is dead to me. He'll always be a Musketeer, but just go fishing...preferably after being fired after 3-4 years. #RememberTomCrean

[XUGRAD80]

“Fan” is short for fanatical. That’s where your argument falls apart. A true fan does not base their feelings or opinions on pragmatism, and to a fan, it will never be “just a business”. So yes, he did screw over THE FANS. Let us be fans.

Why don’t you try suing him for screwing you over and see just how far that goes? (Sarcasm)

Let it go man, your anger does you no good. It clouds your judgment and your thinking. Now you’re trying to tell me what a “true” fan does? Are you saying that I’m not a “true fan” then? Wow. You know, I’ve got nothing against people being fans, or even fanatics. But I don’t think that claiming to be a “fan” is an excuse for some of the words that we have seen thrown toward Chris Mack and his family, or for the claim that he somehow hurt people by taking a new job. Like I’ve said before, I’m not angry with anyone. But I’m disappointed in some people because of their loss of perspective and because of their complete disregard for the teachings that we learned at the university in the areas of religion, ethics, compassion and forgiveness.