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Snipe
03-29-2018, 07:58 PM
I have made this argument before, it has just been awhile since we had a coaching change.

I can't believe Michael Bobinski didn't take my advice. So I will let Greg Christopher have my unsolicited advice.

PUT A BUYOUT IN THE NEXT COACHES CONTRACT

Here is how I wanted it structured.

If the coach leaves Xavier before his contract, he and his new school can either pay Xavier $5 million dollars, or they can agree to a home and home series that has 5 games at Xavier.

The home and home series would start within 3 years of the coach leaving.

The home and home series would be for 10 games over a 20 year period. One game home and one game away rotating every two years.

Either that, or they could just pay 5 million dollars, which is a million per game at the Cintas.

With the pressure to play tough non con opponents on the road given by the selection committee, I think programs would not pay the large sum and just sign the long home and home contract.

What would Louisville have done? Would it have been a deal breaker? I bet not.

Under my scenario, we would have been doing this all along.

Thad Matta

Matta left for Ohio State after 2003-2004. In 2006-2007 we would have played at OSU, starting a 20 year 10 game home and home. In 2008-2009 Thad Matta would have had his first Xavier homecoming at the Cintas. And I would expect the crowd would have treated him well.

We would have already played 6 games of the total of 10 games in the 20 year contract. With a game next year at OSU and a home game at Xavier in three seasons. Last home game of the series would be in the 2024-2025 season.

Sean Miller

Miller left for Arizona after the 2008-2009 season. In 2011-2012 we would have played our first game at Zona, starting a 20 year 10 game home and home. In 2013-2014 Sean Miller would have had his first Xavier homecoming at the Cintas. I know that the crowd would have treated him well.

We would have already played 4 games of the total 10 games in the 20 year contract. Last year we would have had Zona at home, and in 2019-2020 we would be returning there again. The series would rap up with a home game at the Tas in the 2029-2030 season.

As luck would have it, we would have been playing OSU and Arizona on the on and off years. Meaning every year from 2010-2011 to 2025-2026 we would have either Arizona or The Ohio State University on the schedule.

Chris Mack

Chris Mack left for Louisville after the 2017-2018 season. In 2020-2021 we would play our first game at Louisville. In 2022-2023 Chris Mack would have his first homecoming at the Cintas.

What if we had pursued a buyout clause where instead of paying the lofty $5 million dollars, the other school had to commit to 5 away games?

Would OSU not have hired Matta? Would Arizona not have hired Miller?

What about Louisville. They knew that Chris Mack was there guy and they were going to have to pay for it. The NCAA looks at non conference scheduling these days with a close eye. You have to play these games anyway. I think they would have swallowed it and played the games.

I don't think it would protect our coaches from being poached, but it would give tangible benefits back to both the program and the fans. Imagine your season ticket package with an Arizona, Ohio State or Louisville game in it.

Those programs won't play us. Louisville won't touch and home and home with us with a 10 foot pole.

And worse, once they hire our coaches, our former coaches have NEVER EVER expressed any interest in playing us. They know how tough it is to win at the Tas. And they beg off and say that it is personal, they know the coach, and they couldn't do it to a friend.

Our chances of playing Louisville actually went down when they hired Mack, though our chance of playing Louisville a home and home was always a snowballs chance in hell.

If Chris Mack wanted to do something to give back to this University, the best thing he could do is sign a home and home contract.

So what about my theory? What does it all mean?

Well past coaches are all water under the bridge.

What we should do now:

We are going to have a new coach. That coach should have a clause in his new contract from Day 1.

That clause should be a buy out clause. The cost is 5 million or 5 away games at whatever school you are hired to coach at.

Greg Christopher, no time like the present to start preparing for the future.

nuts4xu
03-29-2018, 08:04 PM
I’m fairly certain there was a buyout in Mack’s contract. But it didn’t matter, he left and it was paid (or will be paid) in full.

Snipe
03-29-2018, 08:08 PM
I doubt it was 5 million, but I don’t want their money. I want the dollar value high enough so they have to just play us.

I don’t care about the money, I want the games.

LadyMuskie
03-29-2018, 09:21 PM
No coach is ever going to agree to a contract where they're forced to come back to an arena full of angry, bitter fans and play a game probably against a former colleague. And any agent worth his or her pay would never let a client sign a contract like that.

D-West & PO-Z
03-29-2018, 09:31 PM
No coach is ever going to agree to a contract where they're forced to come back to an arena full of angry, bitter fans and play a game probably against a former colleague. And any agent worth his or her pay would never let a client sign a contract like that.

Not to mention I'm not sure coaches have enough to do with the scheduling do they? They can't make their new school schedule their old school.

drudy23
03-29-2018, 09:35 PM
X

drudy23
03-29-2018, 09:40 PM
No coach is ever going to agree to a contract where they're forced to come back to an arena full of angry, bitter fans and play a game probably against a former colleague. And any agent worth his or her pay would never let a client sign a contract like that.

Actually, you're wrong, this was required of Shaka Smart when he left VCU for Texas.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-texas/article17271650.html

AviatorX
03-29-2018, 09:53 PM
Actually, you're wrong, this was required of Shaka Smart when he left VCU for Texas.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-texas/article17271650.html

And Brian Gregory at UD.

D-West & PO-Z
03-29-2018, 10:07 PM
Interesting. We should do that!

D-West & PO-Z
03-29-2018, 10:08 PM
So did Texas pay the money or schedule to home and home?

AviatorX
03-29-2018, 10:12 PM
So did Texas pay the money or schedule to home and home?

Shaka took Texas to VCU early this season.

GenerationX
03-29-2018, 10:17 PM
Love this idea!

drudy23
03-29-2018, 10:22 PM
I applaud Shaka for scheduling the game. I roll my eyes every time I hear coaches say they can't play their past programs because they "don't want to do that to their friends" or they feel they've moved onto a program that's suddenly now "not worthy" of playing them.

A home and home with both Louisville and Ohio State and even Arizona would be great games for both programs. Forget this "it's a lose lose for us" mentality. Play the game.

XUBison
03-29-2018, 10:44 PM
No coach is ever going to agree to a contract where they're forced to come back to an arena full of angry, bitter fans and play a game probably against a former colleague. And any agent worth his or her pay would never let a client sign a contract like that.

^ This. Exactly right.

GenerationX
03-29-2018, 10:46 PM
^ This. Exactly right.

Haha except that it’s already happened lol. Minor details!

LadyMuskie
03-29-2018, 10:49 PM
Actually, you're wrong, this was required of Shaka Smart when he left VCU for Texas.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-texas/article17271650.html

Ok. Let me rephrase. No coach signing with Xavier, after reading this board and/or twitter or who heard the boos when we played Thad in the tournament, is ever going to agree to a contract with that clause in it. And any agent who lets their client sign a contract with that clause in it should be fired by the client in my opinion. There's no upside for the client whatsoever and there's little to no upside for Xavier either.

GoMuskies
03-30-2018, 09:20 AM
Yes, Xavier fans are well known for their cruelty, LOL. We have about the tamest fan base in the country.

drudy23
03-30-2018, 10:44 AM
Ok. Let me rephrase. No coach signing with Xavier, after reading this board and/or twitter or who heard the boos when we played Thad in the tournament, is ever going to agree to a contract with that clause in it. And any agent who lets their client sign a contract with that clause in it should be fired by the client in my opinion. There's no upside for the client whatsoever and there's little to no upside for Xavier either.

And there it is...the "nothing to gain" crowd.

D-West & PO-Z
03-30-2018, 12:44 PM
Shaka took Texas to VCU early this season.

Yeah figured most schools would do that, but Texas and all the money they have arent most schools.

Cheesehead
03-30-2018, 01:02 PM
Snipe has too much time on his hands

muethibp
11-13-2018, 10:12 AM
I have made this argument before, it has just been awhile since we had a coaching change.

I can't believe Michael Bobinski didn't take my advice. So I will let Greg Christopher have my unsolicited advice.

PUT A BUYOUT IN THE NEXT COACHES CONTRACT

Here is how I wanted it structured.

If the coach leaves Xavier before his contract, he and his new school can either pay Xavier $5 million dollars, or they can agree to a home and home series that has 5 games at Xavier.

The home and home series would start within 3 years of the coach leaving.

The home and home series would be for 10 games over a 20 year period. One game home and one game away rotating every two years.

Either that, or they could just pay 5 million dollars, which is a million per game at the Cintas.

With the pressure to play tough non con opponents on the road given by the selection committee, I think programs would not pay the large sum and just sign the long home and home contract.

What would Louisville have done? Would it have been a deal breaker? I bet not.

Under my scenario, we would have been doing this all along.

Thad Matta

Matta left for Ohio State after 2003-2004. In 2006-2007 we would have played at OSU, starting a 20 year 10 game home and home. In 2008-2009 Thad Matta would have had his first Xavier homecoming at the Cintas. And I would expect the crowd would have treated him well.

We would have already played 6 games of the total of 10 games in the 20 year contract. With a game next year at OSU and a home game at Xavier in three seasons. Last home game of the series would be in the 2024-2025 season.

Sean Miller

Miller left for Arizona after the 2008-2009 season. In 2011-2012 we would have played our first game at Zona, starting a 20 year 10 game home and home. In 2013-2014 Sean Miller would have had his first Xavier homecoming at the Cintas. I know that the crowd would have treated him well.

We would have already played 4 games of the total 10 games in the 20 year contract. Last year we would have had Zona at home, and in 2019-2020 we would be returning there again. The series would rap up with a home game at the Tas in the 2029-2030 season.

As luck would have it, we would have been playing OSU and Arizona on the on and off years. Meaning every year from 2010-2011 to 2025-2026 we would have either Arizona or The Ohio State University on the schedule.

Chris Mack

Chris Mack left for Louisville after the 2017-2018 season. In 2020-2021 we would play our first game at Louisville. In 2022-2023 Chris Mack would have his first homecoming at the Cintas.

What if we had pursued a buyout clause where instead of paying the lofty $5 million dollars, the other school had to commit to 5 away games?

Would OSU not have hired Matta? Would Arizona not have hired Miller?

What about Louisville. They knew that Chris Mack was there guy and they were going to have to pay for it. The NCAA looks at non conference scheduling these days with a close eye. You have to play these games anyway. I think they would have swallowed it and played the games.

I don't think it would protect our coaches from being poached, but it would give tangible benefits back to both the program and the fans. Imagine your season ticket package with an Arizona, Ohio State or Louisville game in it.

Those programs won't play us. Louisville won't touch and home and home with us with a 10 foot pole.

And worse, once they hire our coaches, our former coaches have NEVER EVER expressed any interest in playing us. They know how tough it is to win at the Tas. And they beg off and say that it is personal, they know the coach, and they couldn't do it to a friend.

Our chances of playing Louisville actually went down when they hired Mack, though our chance of playing Louisville a home and home was always a snowballs chance in hell.

If Chris Mack wanted to do something to give back to this University, the best thing he could do is sign a home and home contract.

So what about my theory? What does it all mean?

Well past coaches are all water under the bridge.

What we should do now:

We are going to have a new coach. That coach should have a clause in his new contract from Day 1.

That clause should be a buy out clause. The cost is 5 million or 5 away games at whatever school you are hired to coach at.

Greg Christopher, no time like the present to start preparing for the future.

In this article I stumbled on a passing reference that Louisville paid Xavier $4.5 million - 90% of what’s demanded above - to get Mack out of his contract. That’s a huge amount of money for Xavier and great business by the school and athleitc department.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/39461493/crawford-or-five-thoughts-on-the-firing-of-bobby-petrino

Muskie
11-13-2018, 10:14 AM
In this article I stumbled on a passing reference that Louisville paid Xavier $4.5 million - 90% of what’s demanded above - to get Mack out of his contract. That’s a huge amount of money for Xavier and great business by the school and athleitc department.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/39461493/crawford-or-five-thoughts-on-the-firing-of-bobby-petrino

Great info, and not what I was expecting to see when I saw this thread had a new post.

paulxu
11-13-2018, 10:18 AM
So what you're really saying is that Petrino is laughing all the way to the bank.

muethibp
11-13-2018, 10:19 AM
In fairness, I looked for another source on the issue just now and this article indicates the payment to Xavier was about $3 million with the balance going to cover taxes. Still. A really nice amount of money for Xavier.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/515403002

GIMMFD
11-13-2018, 09:12 PM
In fairness, I looked for another source on the issue just now and this article indicates the payment to Xavier was about $3 million with the balance going to cover taxes. Still. A really nice amount of money for Xavier.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/515403002

$3mil still isn't bad, and can help with renovations going on around campus, it feels nice to get SOMETHING out of this rather than a swift kick in the erm... nether regions.. I wonder if Steele has any clauses in his contract, I'm sure he does if X pulled this off with Mack, granted his contract was extended and restructured a couple times correct?

Snipe
11-15-2018, 06:27 PM
No coach is ever going to agree to a contract where they're forced to come back to an arena full of angry, bitter fans and play a game probably against a former colleague. And any agent worth his or her pay would never let a client sign a contract like that.


You think Travis Steele would have said "No, I just can't coach Xavier under these conditions".

It didn't seem to hurt Miller or Smart. They seem to be doing just fine.

When we hired Chris Mack, he wasn't sought after much. He would have signed a contract too. I disagree with you.

Snipe
11-15-2018, 06:28 PM
In fairness, I looked for another source on the issue just now and this article indicates the payment to Xavier was about $3 million with the balance going to cover taxes. Still. A really nice amount of money for Xavier.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/515403002

Good work on that. I didn't think our buyout was that high. Louisville Basketball has a lot of cash. Cash is king.

Olsingledigit
11-15-2018, 09:44 PM
I doubt it was 5 million, but I don’t want their money. I want the dollar value high enough so they have to just play us.

I don’t care about the money, I want the games.

I understand it was $4 million