Chris Mack discussion

[GoMuskies]

I think it's obvious that Louisville is objectively the better job overall. The question, though, is whether it's a better job for someone with Chris's unique circumstances. A much closer call.

[double00]

I wonder if Mack sees this as his one shot to see how far he can go in his career. It surprised me to see that Thad Matta is only two years older than Mack. At what point does Xavier tire of Mack if he can’t take us to the final four Just like OSU tired of Matta because they seemed to have stagnated. Imagine Mack’s tenure fizzling out at X due to lack of progress and then he’d be left asking himself what if he’d taken the leap to go to U of L. How many more years without a FF would Mack have lasted?

In addition. I have to relate to the fact that Mack doesn’t see his family as much as say other fathers might because of work. Perhaps the drawback of staying at Xavier would be thought of having to hustle your way through recruiting whereas at UOfL that won’t be as necessary. Not that I think that Mack will take his foot off the gas peddle. On the contrary I expect him to be frantic to get that NC for UL. But I’m trying to rationalize here and ease my pain.

[xavierj]

I wonder if Mack sees this as his one shot to see how far he can go in his career. It surprised me to see that Thad Matta is only two years older than Mack. At what point does Xavier tire of Mack if he can’t take us to the final four Just like OSU tired of Matta because they seemed to have stagnated. Imagine Mack’s tenure fizzling out at X due to lack of progress and then he’d be left asking himself what if he’d taken the leap to go to U of L. How many more years without a FF would Mack have lasted?

In addition. I have to relate to the fact that Mack doesn’t see his family as much as say other fathers might because of work. Perhaps the drawback of staying at Xavier would be thought of having to hustle your way through recruiting whereas at UOfL that won’t be as necessary. Not that I think that Mack will take his foot off the gas peddle. On the contrary I expect him to be frantic to get that NC for UL. But I’m trying to rationalize here and ease my pain.

He will have To hustle even more at Louisville for recruits, especially early on. Yeah Louisville is a better job but Xavier is still probably now a top 20 to 25 job, with less pressure and also probably less fan demand. Chris is able to relax at his favorite bar after games without being bothered. Not sure if he will be able to do that in Louisville.

[bleedXblue]

He will have To hustle even more at Louisville for recruits, especially early on. Yeah Louisville is a better job but Xavier is still probably now a top 20 to 25 job, with less pressure and also probably less fan demand. Chris is able to relax at his favorite bar after games without being bothered. Not sure if he will be able to do that in Louisville.

Add to that reduced scholarships and other sanctions the first 3-4 years.

[xudash]

I don’t understand how any of you can think that Louisville and Xavier are remotely on the same level. From cash to facilities to fan base to conference it’s all superior. To think anything else, you live in a bubble or have some strong blue glasses on.

Yes they cheated, yes they were dirty, but regardless of all of that, it is still a superior job. Xavier has a great program and it is amazing what growth has occurred in the past 30 years there but Let’s just stop trying to convince ourselves that we are on the same level as a top 10 basketball program.

You're too close to that city and UL.

UL is a dirty program that has a solid basketball tradition. It pretty much stops there, because it's football program is NOT top tier and it's dirty , too. UL does not play in the same circles of the Ohio State's, Michigan's, Alabama's, etc. of the world.

Otherwise, it's a Fortune 10 versus a Fortune 20 in basketball, and a Fortune 20 versus a Fortune 100 (my perception) in overall AD Department.

Oh, and what wasn't mentioned in that great GE versus smaller company argument is that Chris essentially is a CEO of a FAMILY ENTERPRISE. That brings an added level of consideration for him with respect to staying or leaving.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I get the money part, that would be hard to turn down but loyalty really should play some part. I’m okay if he leaves but I feel like he is abandoning a school that gave him a free education then made him a millionaire. I guess I’m just looking through blue glasses. I just hope it’s over this weekend. My lease on my Buick is almost up and I need to know if I need to pick up Miller at the airport.

[double00]

Point well taken that he’ll have to hustle even more arguably. But it makes it much more palatable when you’re landing 5 stars with regularity. It’ll be interesting to see what Mack can do with a recruiting class chock full of five stars assuming that’s what happens.

One thing I know is that X knows how to take these coaching changes on the chin and grow from them. I’ve been an X fan since 1994 and I’ve never known them to not progress as a program. I’m hopeful that we continue on that trajectory and do it the right way. Maybe it’s that chip on our shoulders that comes with all these coaching changes that keeps giving us that edge?

[GoMuskies]

I can see why people wouldn't like Petrino, but there's nothing to suggest that program is dirty. Obviously Louisville doesn't run in the Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State class in football, but those programs aren't in the same class as Louisville in basketball. Overall athletics programs are pretty similar in terms of success at am those places.

Is love to see Xavier elevate the rest of its athletics program the way that Louisville has. 20 years ago their overall program was a joke. Now it's one of the best with great facilities for everything.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Dick Vitale
@DickieV
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Key sources tell me Louisville will name Vince Tyra AD on Monday. Shortly after, look for Chris Mack to be named @LouisvilleMBB head coach. He would be a super hire who brings a winner’s mentality.

[OTRMUSKIE]

He is gone bois!!!!! See ya Mack!!!!!! Now go get Miller Back right away!!!!!!

[Xville]

You're too close to that city and UL.

UL is a dirty program that has a solid basketball tradition. It pretty much stops there, because it's football program is NOT top tier and it's dirty , too. UL does not play in the same circles of the Ohio State's, Michigan's, Alabama's, etc. of the world.

Otherwise, it's a Fortune 10 versus a Fortune 20 in basketball, and a Fortune 20 versus a Fortune 100 (my perception) in overall AD Department.

Oh, and what wasn't mentioned in that great GE versus smaller company argument is that Chris essentially is a CEO of a FAMILY ENTERPRISE. That brings an added level of consideration for him with respect to staying or leaving.

What does football have to do with anything?

And yes I have some perspective since I live here...I know what the fan base is like in both cities, I have been in all of the basketball facilities in both cities, and I have a very good idea of the money situation in both cities...you keep saying Louisville is a dirty program as if that really plays a part in Chris' decision. All the people that were responsible for that are gone...they will have sanctions and it will effect the school for about 2-3 years but Long view its still a better job than Xavier because of all the things I mentioned.

Louisville hired Pitino (yes I know he is dirty) when he was being offered at Indiana, Michigan etc and he chose Louisville. This was before the yum center. Why? Because it's a top 10 program and was able to offer a bit more money than others at the time.

[Xville]

Nm

[Xville]

Dick Vitale
@DickieV
·2h
Key sources tell me Louisville will name Vince Tyra AD on Monday. Shortly after, look for Chris Mack to be named @LouisvilleMBB head coach. He would be a super hire who brings a winner’s mentality.

If true, see ya Mack...I'll take Miller the superior coach back.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Correct, and I don’t care that he is leaving I just hope we don’t lose any current players. As long as our core players stay X will be fine. But if our starting 5 leave we are going to be screwed.

[paulxu]

Dick Vitale
@DickieV
·2h
Key sources tell me Louisville will name Vince Tyra AD on Monday. Shortly after, look for Chris Mack to be named @LouisvilleMBB head coach. He would be a super hire who brings a winner’s mentality.

Wonder if that was a condition of employment. "If you can get Mack, we'll make you AD."

[Section 200]

What does football have to do with anything?

And yes I have some perspective since I live here...I know what the fan base is like in both cities, I have been in all of the basketball facilities in both cities, and I have a very good idea of the money situation in both cities...you keep saying Louisville is a dirty program as if that really plays a part in Chris' decision. All the people that were responsible for that are gone...they will have sanctions and it will effect the school for about 2-3 years but Long view its still a better job than Xavier because of all the things I mentioned.

Louisville hired Pitino (yes I know he is dirty) when he was being offered at Indiana, Michigan etc and he chose Louisville. This was before the yum center. Why? Because it's a top 10 program and was able to offer a bit more money than others at the time.

Clearly you think the dirty program bit doesn't matter but I think the average Xavier fan thinks it matters a great deal. I agree that UofL fans don't care and are perfectly fine with cheating. That's why it is a bad job - you are expected to cheat.

[xavierj]

If true, see ya Mack...I'll take Miller the superior coach back.

I think Chris is gone but Dick gets his info from the Louisville scout board.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, Dick Vitale isn't going to be breaking any news stories.

[paulxu]

Dick Vitale
‏Verified account @DickieV
2h2 hours ago

Yes @LouisvilleMBB will have a strong nucleus to build around returning/ CHRIS MACK will be the perfect hire to get Cards back in prominence. VBDI says a presser mid week!

Keep drinking till Wednesday!

[Xville]

Clearly you think the dirty program bit doesn't matter but I think the average Xavier fan thinks it matters a great deal. I agree that UofL fans don't care and are perfectly fine with cheating. That's why it is a bad job - you are expected to cheat.

You aren't expected to cheat that's ridiculous.

I don't think it matters because although I think cheating is wrong, 2-3 years from now, it won't matter because the program is still better than Xaviers. UNC has cheated for decades and they are still a better program...If they actually got in trouble for what they did, good coaches would still go there because it's a chance to work for a big time program. In Chris' mind, it apparently didn't matter that they cheated, nor should it. He didn't cheat, and the people that did are gone, yet Louisville is still a top 10 program with more money, better facilities and ten times the fan base in a city where the basketball team is king

[Xville]

With all that said, vitale is an ESPN schill and thus an acc honk. He supported and still supports Pitino, yet completely vilified Sean Miller before any substantiated information came out.

[Jesuit4Life]

2009 Chris Mack or 2018 Chris Mack?

2018 Chris Mack.
https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/chris-mack-xavier-is-now-a-destination-job/
Starting at about 18:38, but I would suggest listening from 17:08 and on. I'm sure there are other times he said it this season too.

Mack also said this just last Sunday, though you could interpret it as a comment on the status of the program with or without him.
https://twitter.com/PaulFritschner/status/975578465574490112

[Xville]

2018 Chris Mack.
https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/chris-mack-xavier-is-now-a-destination-job/
Starting at about 18:38, but I would suggest listening from 17:08 and on. I'm sure there are other times he said it this season too.

Mack also said this just last Sunday, though you could interpret it as a comment on the status of the program with or without him.
https://twitter.com/PaulFritschner/status/975578465574490112

We need to start not believing anything these guys say...It's all bs

[JTG]

Add to that reduced scholarships and other sanctions the first 3-4 years.

Has the Ncaa issued any penalties ? Pretty sure the FBI can't issue athletic sanctions. Also this may drag out for 2 years. If so these sanctions are way down the road. No one connected to UL left to punish at that point. No death penalty. Just the perfect shit storm, and unfortunately X ends up the victim.

[XUGRAD80]

Is love to see Xavier elevate the rest of its athletics program the way that Louisville has. 20 years ago their overall program was a joke. Now it's one of the best with great facilities for everything.

That’s what Addidas money will do for you. But it ain’t money for nothing or checks for free. Addidas wants the exposure that comes with being seen on the bodies of college stars and final four teams. And they don’t care want it takes to get them that. You either produce it or they will get themselves a new boy. But that money has dried up now and it isn’t coming back to them.

I, for one, don’t want X going down that path.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville didn't start getting that crazy shoe money until AFTER they'd built the program. Before that, it was donor money.

[throwbackmuskie]

We need to start not believing anything these guys say...It's all bs

How many Louisville shirts do you have?


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[Xville]

How many Louisville shirts do you have?


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So when he is announced as Louisville coach this week (its done) will you still believe the bs he spewed?
He's the one that lied, not me.


But you just keep on keeping on.

[JTG]

What does football have to do with anything?

And yes I have some perspective since I live here...I know what the fan base is like in both cities, I have been in all of the basketball facilities in both cities, and I have a very good idea of the money situation in both cities...you keep saying Louisville is a dirty program as if that really plays a part in Chris' decision. All the people that were responsible for that are gone...they will have sanctions and it will effect the school for about 2-3 years but Long view its still a better job than Xavier because of all the things I mentioned.

Louisville hired Pitino (yes I know he is dirty) when he was being offered at Indiana, Michigan etc and he chose Louisville. This was before the yum center. Why? Because it's a top 10 program and was able to offer a bit more money than others at the time.

2 items:
Had Pitino gone to IU or Michigan, he either wouldn't have become dirty because of the way both schools operate, or they checked him out and withdrew the offers. UL meanwhile looked the other way because they have a culture of being dirty.
Dirty means nothing to you ?
Would you sell crack to gradeschoolers ?
Would you rob a bank ?
Some people like to be able to live with themselves.

[throwbackmuskie]

So when he is announced as Louisville coach this week (its done) will you still believe the bs he spewed?

But you just keep on keeping on.

Your a child enjoy your cardinals


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[GoMuskies]

IU had it's own NCAA trouble.

[XUBison]

You aren't expected to cheat that's ridiculous.

I don't think it matters because although I think cheating is wrong, 2-3 years from now, it won't matter because the program is still better than Xaviers. UNC has cheated for decades and they are still a better program...If they actually got in trouble for what they did, good coaches would still go there because it's a chance to work for a big time program. In Chris' mind, it apparently didn't matter that they cheated, nor should it. He didn't cheat, and the people that did are gone, yet Louisville is still a top 10 program with more money, better facilities and ten times the fan base in a city where the basketball team is king

It’s not just that Skanksville is expected to cheat, it‘s that they MUST cheat to compete. And UNC? I’m sorry, UL is not on par with UNC, not even close. The fact that people here have to keep explaining how great UL is proves this point. No one would need to explain how great Duke, UNC, KU, UK, UCLA, IU, Zona, MSU, Michigan, etc are, because it would already be understood. I would argue that UL is not even a top 10 program. Good coaches would be attracted to UNC despite the history of cheating, because they can win there even without cheating. If Mack doesn’t cheat at UL, he is apt to fail.

[JTG]

Keep drinking till Wednesday!

If this is true X should have a presser the day before to introduce a new coach....fuck Louisville.

[JTG]

With all that said, vitale is an ESPN schill and thus an acc honk. He supported and still supports Pitino, yet completely vilified Sean Miller before any substantiated information came out.

Pitino is Italian, Miller isn't. That's the diff

[GoMuskies]

Man, if Louisville is so terrible, someone better alert Mack. Lol

[Xville]

2 items:
Had Pitino gone to IU or Michigan, he either wouldn't have become dirty because of the way both schools operate, or they checked him out and withdrew the offers. UL meanwhile looked the other way because they have a culture of being dirty.
Dirty means nothing to you ?
Would you sell crack to gradeschoolers ?
Would you rob a bank ?
Some people like to be able to live with themselves.

Haha IU and Michigan...both very notable non dirty programs..hahahaha where you getting this crap from?

[Xville]

You are all ridiculous..If Louisville is so terrible, someone better tell Mack.

I get it though...your best buddy Mack lied and is leaving. I understand being upset.

I just don't care because we will be fine without him.

[Xville]

Your a child enjoy your cardinals


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Is it your or you're?

Again, I'm not the one who lied to you. Sorry.

[Xville]

Your a child enjoy your cardinals


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Btw I'm not a fan, far from it. I actually think the fans around here are bonkers, but I can also be objective and understand the lousiville program is bigger than Xavier's. Mack believes the same.

[Xville]

Btw I'm not a fan, far from it. I actually think the fans around here are bonkers, but I can also be objective and understand the lousiville program is bigger than Xavier's. Mack believes the same.

You must just be upset that all of your "sources" either lied to you, or don't know anything.

[bleedXblue]

Xville....step away from the keyboard. You are quoting yourself.........and we could use less of the negativity even if its likely he leaves

[Xville]

Xville....step away from the keyboard. You are quoting yourself.........and we could use less of the negativity even if its likely he leaves

I think in the end, we will be better off. In my opinion, we have had better coaches, and will have better coaches in the future.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I agree Louisville has a bigger footprint. That said Pitino and NC coach had to hire hookers and pay guys to get them there. It’s a better job that comes with a lot more pressure to win.


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[throwbackmuskie]

Is it your or you're?

Again, I'm not the one who lied to you. Sorry.

Sorry spelling police.

No one lied to me. If he is gone things happen, but damn you and this Louisville talk is annoying as all.

Let’s not forget they have been cheating in hoops and their football program has zero academic standards, they got guys like bridgewater, Alexander and others because they would take them when no other power 5 school outside of West Virginia could get them into school.


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[GoMuskies]

Well, none of that is true about Bridgewater, Jaire, etc.

[throwbackmuskie]

Well, none of that is true about Bridgewater, Jaire, etc.

It is same with ed mudlow (sp). They were committed to sec schools, didn’t have the academics to get in and had to look around


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[Xville]

Sorry spelling police.

No one lied to me. If he is gone things happen, but damn you and this Louisville talk is annoying as all.

Let’s not forget they have been cheating in hoops and their football program has zero academic standards, they got guys like bridgewater, Alexander and others because they would take them when no other power 5 school outside of West Virginia could get them into school.


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So now you are just lying. I understand you are upset, but to say that about Bridgewater is just a flat out lie. He came to Louisville because they were the only ones that were offering him a chance at qb. That's the actual truth not your made up version of events.

Louisville basketball cheated, Pitino is a dirtbag. So is Jurich. However, their basketball program is still bigger than ours. I'm sorry.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, you're getting some bad info.

[GoMuskies]

So now you are just lying. I understand you are upset, but to say that about Bridgewater is just a flat out lie. He came to Louisville because they were the only ones that were offering him a chance at qb. That's the actual truth not your made up version of events.

Louisville basketball cheated, Pitino is a dirtbag. So is Jurich. However, their basketball program is still bigger than ours. I'm sorry.

That's Lamar. Teddy was a 5 star QB.

[throwbackmuskie]

Yeah, you're getting some bad info.

Alexander and mudlow where both South Carolina commits who could not get into school and had to look around, Louisville took them.


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[GoMuskies]

Definitely not true on Jaire. Never heard of the other guy.

[throwbackmuskie]

Definitely not true on Jaire. Never heard of the other guy.

It’s true about Alexander, it’s also why LSU never gave him a committable offer. Mudlow was a big time de/olb


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[GoMuskies]

Yeah, not true.

[Xville]

Alexander and mudlow where both South Carolina commits who could not get into school and had to look around, Louisville took them.


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Even if this is true, so? Louisville has never been mistaken for a fine academic institution. Don't know what any of this has to do with Mack going there.

[throwbackmuskie]

Yeah, not true.

Yeah look it up


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[throwbackmuskie]

Even if this is true, so? Louisville has never been mistaken for a fine academic institution. Don't know what any of this has to do with Mack going there.

The point is that Louisville really is not this great program you are making them out to be.


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[GoMuskies]

Even if this is true, so? Louisville has never been mistaken for a fine academic institution. Don't know what any of this has to do with Mack going there.

It's totally relevant to something, I'm sure. Louisville is a fine school. Not great by any stretch, but I know plenty of smart, successful people who went there. I never for a minute considered going there myself, though.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah look it up


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Not true. I'm sure it makes some Cocks feel somehow better about losing a recruiting battle, though.

[throwbackmuskie]

Not true. I'm sure it makes some Cocks feel somehow better about losing a recruiting battle, though.

Feel free to believe what you want, I remember the situations about Alexander and mudlow, both not made up.


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[GoMuskies]

I'm certain you'll believe whatever you want to believe.

[throwbackmuskie]

I'm certain you'll believe whatever you want to believe.

I am sure you are the same way. Your point?


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[Xville]

The point is that Louisville really is not this great program you are making them out to be.


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And the way you proved that is the football academic's prowess? Wow you are stretching.

[GoMuskies]

And the way you proved that is the football academic's prowess? Wow you are stretching.

Which is all or mostly made up.

[throwbackmuskie]

And the way you proved that is the football academic's prowess? Wow you are stretching.

Well let’s not forget that clean hoops program they run. Louisville is top 25, I will give you that, but they are not an elite program.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

I wonder if Mack sees this as his one shot to see how far he can go in his career. It surprised me to see that Thad Matta is only two years older than Mack. At what point does Xavier tire of Mack if he can’t take us to the final four Just like OSU tired of Matta because they seemed to have stagnated. Imagine Mack’s tenure fizzling out at X due to lack of progress and then he’d be left asking himself what if he’d taken the leap to go to U of L. How many more years without a FF would Mack have lasted?

In addition. I have to relate to the fact that Mack doesn’t see his family as much as say other fathers might because of work. Perhaps the drawback of staying at Xavier would be thought of having to hustle your way through recruiting whereas at UOfL that won’t be as necessary. Not that I think that Mack will take his foot off the gas peddle. On the contrary I expect him to be frantic to get that NC for UL. But I’m trying to rationalize here and ease my pain.

If you are suggesting Mack will have more time with his family at Louisville then XU that is laughable.

Can't post dinner with family or coach you daughters basketball game in the middle of a 3 game losing streak at Louisville.

[XUGRAD80]

Louisville didn't start getting that crazy shoe money until AFTER they'd built the program. Before that, it was donor money.

And don’t forget the Taxpayers! The Yum Center is going to end up costing the taxpayers millions and millions of dollars as it’s expected true cost is going to reach a BILLION dollars before all the bonds and refinancing is settled.

In 1997 the total athletic budget for UL was around 17 million dollars....the 2017/2018 budget is 104 million. A 6 fold increase in 20 years! According to reports I’ve read, many donors thought that they were donating for education and research, but the money went to new athletic facilities. The athletic department gets upwards of 90% of the revenues the Yum Center generates. The University subsides the athletic department to the tune of 5 million a year, otherwise they would show a loss. UL displays virtually everything that is wrong with big time college athletics running unfettered.....but the times they are a changin’.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Add to that reduced scholarships and other sanctions the first 3-4 years.

Is this punishment from the hooker thing? Because people keep mentioning the FBI probe related sanctions which to be honest are at least 2 years away.

[paulxu]

Just to really muddy the water, can't Mack's comment of X being a "destination" job be true...even if he leaves?

Don't go all bonkers on me, I'm being serious. It's one of the top jobs in the country (easily top 20 out of 350) and if it pays $3 million it's even being competitive with some big state schools.

But does that not mean there are other "destination" jobs which he can legitimately consider? Maybe XU is a destination job, just not eventually for him.

[Lloyd Braun]

Just to really muddy the water, can't Mack's comment of X being a "destination" job be true...even if he leaves?

Don't go all bonkers on me, I'm being serious. It's one of the top jobs in the country (easily top 20 out of 350) and if it pays $3 million it's even being competitive with some big state schools.

But does that not mean there are other "destination" jobs which he can legitimately consider? Maybe XU is a destination job, just not eventually for him.

If not for him (Cincinnati native and X alum), then whom? Him leaving would sting the most because I was convinced he was finally the one to stop the stepping stone trend.

[GoMuskies]

Other than a handful of jobs, EVERYONE is a stepping stone at some point. Hell, Kansas had a coach leave for UNC.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Other than a handful of jobs, EVERYONE is a stepping stone at some point. Hell, Kansas had a coach leave for UNC.

Good point.

We are past the point of being left for just the random Power 5 school but will probably never be past the point of being left for the bluebloods, unless we just find that one special unique coach. If that isnt Mack though I am not sure if there is a guy out there like that for us.

[XUBison]

You are all ridiculous..If Louisville is so terrible, someone better tell Mack.

I get it though...your best buddy Mack lied and is leaving. I understand being upset.

I just don't care because we will be fine without him.

I’m not mad. I don’t care what he said about X. What was he supposed to say, that he’s biding his time until something else comes along? I just wish he was leaving X for somewhere other than UL. It is embarrassing.

[Xville]

Well let’s not forget that clean hoops program they run. Louisville is top 25, I will give you that, but they are not an elite program.


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If they are top 25, than what is X? Top 50?

I think x is top 25, Louisville top 10...most rational people believe the same.

[Lloyd Braun]

Roy Williams returned to his alma mater, not the other way around.

[GoMuskies]

Evander Holyfield may be a top 50 boxer...in Georgia.

[Jesuit4Life]

Just to really muddy the water, can't Mack's comment of X being a "destination" job be true...even if he leaves?

Don't go all bonkers on me, I'm being serious. It's one of the top jobs in the country (easily top 20 out of 350) and if it pays $3 million it's even being competitive with some big state schools.

But does that not mean there are other "destination" jobs which he can legitimately consider? Maybe XU is a destination job, just not eventually for him.
Well, if you want to parse it out, technically in that interview with Rothstein he was answering the question of if Xavier is "more of a destination job" than it was 10 years ago and now being in the Big East. I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean it was the ultimate, final destination job for Mack.

[Xville]

Other than a handful of jobs, EVERYONE is a stepping stone at some point. Hell, Kansas had a coach leave for UNC.

Yep..always going to be no matter what....hell even the blueboods could be a stepping stone for an nba job

[GoMuskies]

Roy Williams returned to his alma mater, not the other way around.

Right, but it's Kansas. Even they can lose a coach to another school. I can't think if that ever happening to Louisville, Kentucky, Duke, Indiana, UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas or Arizona other than that one time, but it can happen even to that group in the right circumstances. And that group is generally going to be able to get who they want from just about everyone outside that group.

[Perma Fro]

Evander Holyfield may be a top 50 boxer...in Georgia.

“Charlie come get your whoopin’”

[paulxu]

I wonder if we'd be going through all this if we were going to our first FF, and even playing for the NC (which looking at the seeds left, could have been possible to say the least).

Maybe it would have just added more to what Louisville would have to offer him.

[Lloyd Braun]

2018 Chris Mack.
https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/chris-mack-xavier-is-now-a-destination-job/
Starting at about 18:38, but I would suggest listening from 17:08 and on. I'm sure there are other times he said it this season too.

Mack also said this just last Sunday, though you could interpret it as a comment on the status of the program with or without him.
https://twitter.com/PaulFritschner/status/975578465574490112

Ouch. This makes me think a bit less of 2009 Chris Mack. Bummer. Guess it’s just the reality of the situation...

[Ole blue eyes]

Louisville didn't start getting that crazy shoe money until AFTER they'd built the program. Before that, it was donor money.

This is true, but all along they were satisfied with graduation rates in the mid 20’s. It’s a culture there. But ironically, they are what make college B.B. so fun to watch. Remember big time wrestling? For many years the number 1 watched sport on tv. Who would have watched were in not for the bad boys in black?

[Caveat]

Just to really muddy the water, can't Mack's comment of X being a "destination" job be true...even if he leaves?

Don't go all bonkers on me, I'm being serious. It's one of the top jobs in the country (easily top 20 out of 350) and if it pays $3 million it's even being competitive with some big state schools.

But does that not mean there are other "destination" jobs which he can legitimately consider? Maybe XU is a destination job, just not eventually for him.

It’ll never be a true “destination” job so long as it can be grossly outbid on salary.

[stammina0721]

Okay can we please get realistic? How many schools keep coaches forever? There are only a handful of schools that do it and they are all blue bloods. It is not realistic to expect amazing results for almost a decade and not have the big boys come calling. That is sports and it wouldn't matter if Xavier went undefeated this year, won conference tournament and won a national championship this year. Our coach will always get taken cause we will never be in the category of the Dukes, Kansas' or even Louisvilles of the world. It's hard to say it as a fan but that is the harsh truth. The sooner people just accept that then the less it will hurt when it inevitably happens.

We just gotta reload just like always and hire the next coach to keep the train rolling and prep him for the Duke or UNC opening in a few years

[Xville]

Okay can we please get realistic? How many schools keep coaches forever? There are only a handful of schools that do it and they are all blue bloods. It is not realistic to expect amazing results for almost a decade and not have the big boys come calling. That is sports and it wouldn't matter if Xavier went undefeated this year, won conference tournament and won a national championship this year. Our coach will always get taken cause we will never be in the category of the Dukes, Kansas' or even Louisvilles of the world. It's hard to say it as a fan but that is the harsh truth. The sooner people just accept that then the less it will hurt when it inevitably happens.

We just gotta reload just like always and hire the next coach to keep the train rolling and prep him for the Duke or UNC opening in a few years

+1 thank you

[xudash]

Just to really muddy the water, can't Mack's comment of X being a "destination" job be true...even if he leaves?

Don't go all bonkers on me, I'm being serious. It's one of the top jobs in the country (easily top 20 out of 350) and if it pays $3 million it's even being competitive with some big state schools.

But does that not mean there are other "destination" jobs which he can legitimately consider? Maybe XU is a destination job, just not eventually for him.

Yes. Absolutely.

Elements:

1. Administrative support.
2. Facilities.
3. Conference affiliation, including BECT at MSG.
4. Fan support.
5. Exposure from TV partner.
6. Funding resources.
7. Growth in prestige of the school, including its campus.

Especially prior to our big east affiliation, we would never have dreamed of being able to compensate a coach at this level. Things have absolutely changed.

Him leaving, even though he is an alumnus, doesn't mean that we have not become a destination job.

In fact, as I consider where we presently stand, even with the Early exit from the tournament of this year, I'm very comfortable in believing that we will continue to achieve success moving forward.

[dubbledxu]

You aren't expected to cheat that's ridiculous.

I don't think it matters because although I think cheating is wrong, 2-3 years from now, it won't matter because the program is still better than Xaviers. UNC has cheated for decades and they are still a better program...If they actually got in trouble for what they did, good coaches would still go there because it's a chance to work for a big time program. In Chris' mind, it apparently didn't matter that they cheated, nor should it. He didn't cheat, and the people that did are gone, yet Louisville is still a top 10 program with more money, better facilities and ten times the fan base in a city where the basketball team is king

Sleazy Papa John is still there, if you think he didn’t know what was going on, I have some property to sell ya.

[stammina0721]

It’s not just that Skanksville is expected to cheat, it‘s that they MUST cheat to compete. And UNC? I’m sorry, UL is not on par with UNC, not even close. The fact that people here have to keep explaining how great UL is proves this point. No one would need to explain how great Duke, UNC, KU, UK, UCLA, IU, Zona, MSU, Michigan, etc are, because it would already be understood. I would argue that UL is not even a top 10 program. Good coaches would be attracted to UNC despite the history of cheating, because they can win there even without cheating. If Mack doesn’t cheat at UL, he is apt to fail.

UL is way better than Michigan and I would argue Arizona as well

[double00]

If you are suggesting Mack will have more time with his family at Louisville then XU that is laughable.

Can't post dinner with family or coach you daughters basketball game in the middle of a 3 game losing streak at Louisville.

No. Simply that it’s only worth it if it pays off in the long run. Whether that’s money he’s looking for or the satisfaction of winning an NC or whatever, many would say that’s more likely achievable at UL. I’m simply trying to put myself in his shoes. What matters to him the most? I would gather it’s his family as it is for most fathers hopefully. So if you’re going to sacrifice that much then it better be for good reason.

One things for sure. He’ll miss out on taking his alma mater to the promised land. That he will never get to experience.

[Caveat]

Okay can we please get realistic? How many schools keep coaches forever? There are only a handful of schools that do it and they are all blue bloods. It is not realistic to expect amazing results for almost a decade and not have the big boys come calling. That is sports and it wouldn't matter if Xavier went undefeated this year, won conference tournament and won a national championship this year. Our coach will always get taken cause we will never be in the category of the Dukes, Kansas' or even Louisvilles of the world. It's hard to say it as a fan but that is the harsh truth. The sooner people just accept that then the less it will hurt when it inevitably happens.

We just gotta reload just like always and hire the next coach to keep the train rolling and prep him for the Duke or UNC opening in a few years

The frustrating part, as a fan, is that I don’t think this would ever happen at Georgetown or Villanova.

We’re a step below the schools you listed, but it seems like we’re also a step below other schools in the conference.

[AviatorX]

The frustrating part, as a fan, is that I don’t think this would ever happen at Georgetown or Villanova.

We’re a step below the schools you listed, but it seems like we’re also a step below other schools in the conference.


I mean...is it a surprise to anyone that X's program is a step below Georgetown and Nova? Duh.

[JTG]

I think people quoting the $3mil for a coach are misled. X would give Mack $3mil to stay. Any new coach is not gonna get that kind of money, at least not until he proves himself.

[xavierj]

So apparently Louisville AD will also interview Kenny Payne. What’s that, to see if he would like to be an assistant?

[Masterofreality]

The frustrating part, as a fan, is that I don’t think this would ever happen at Georgetown or Villanova.

We’re a step below the schools you listed, but it seems like we’re also a step below other schools in the conference.

Welp. Look at the endowment. We ARE steps below other Big East schools overall. Xavier has made great progress but it still has a ways to go.
Money talks in everything. Just talking is cheap. If people want X to take the step ALL the way up, the money has to come in and put this school over just a $170 million endowment.

Just have to keep on keeping on...

[Xville]

So apparently Louisville AD will also interview Kenny Payne. What’s that, to see if he would like to be an assistant?

Where did you see that? If true, look up a picture of him and connect the dots.

[GoMuskies]

So apparently Louisville AD will also interview Kenny Payne. What’s that, to see if he would like to be an assistant?

Payne is a Louisville alum. Fans hate him because he works for Cal. Tyra promised to hire "minority candidates" in his press conference the other day.

[Masterofreality]

Where did you see that? If true, look up a picture of him and connect the dots.

What? Since when is there a "Rooney Rule" in College Basketball?

[X Factor]

How many schools have had an alum leading their program who voluntarily leaves for another school?

[xavierj]

Welp. Look at the endowment. We ARE steps below other Big East schools overall. Xavier has made great progress but it still has a ways to go.
Money talks in everything. Just talking is cheap. If people want X to take the step ALL the way up, the money has to come in and put this school over just a $170 million endowment.

Just have to keep on keeping on...

I was looking at Endowments. Princeton is like $24 billion, ND $12 billion, Duke $8 billion, and Ohio State $3.6 billion. Xavier only $170 million. Nova $680 million, Louisville $700 million and KY $1 billion.

[GoMuskies]

How many schools have had an alum leading their program who voluntarily leaves for another school?

Butler. Came to some school in Cincy.

Bryce Drew just left Valpo.

[Xville]

What? Since when is there a "Rooney Rule" in College Basketball?

There isn't but butch beard had a long courier journal interview and complained about the coaching search already and he is a Louisville legend. I'm assuming of course but I think this is just to appease.

[X Factor]

Butler. Came to some school in Cincy.

Bryce Drew just left Valpo.

Doh! :ashamed:

[Xville]

So apparently Louisville AD will also interview Kenny Payne. What’s that, to see if he would like to be an assistant?

If this is true, the Louisville ad is interviewing a guy he would never hire...said in his press conference this past week, he wanted a head coach not an assistant.

[stammina0721]

The frustrating part, as a fan, is that I don’t think this would ever happen at Georgetown or Villanova.

We’re a step below the schools you listed, but it seems like we’re also a step below other schools in the conference.

Hard to say. I dont really think so though. I think when Duke or UNC opens up they will make a run at Jay. Then we will know that answer.

As for Georgetown there is no precedent to say that. It is their own fault though. Their loyalty to the Thompson family was a blessing to college basketball teams everywhere. Noone wanted JT3. Now the real test will be Ewing. Let's see what he does for the next 5 years and if a big boy or even the NBA comes calling we will see. I'd think he would go NBA before anything else though

[xavierj]

Xavier should just hire David West and call it a day. Guy would be all over the refs.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was looking at Endowments. Princeton is like $24 billion, ND $12 billion, Duke $8 billion, and Ohio State $3.6 billion. Xavier only $170 million. Nova $680 million, Louisville $700 million and KY $1 billion.

UD: 524 million
Creighton: 448 million
SLU: 1 billion
Marquette: 550 million

[Masterofreality]

And don’t forget the Taxpayers! The Yum Center is going to end up costing the taxpayers millions and millions of dollars as it’s expected true cost is going to reach a BILLION dollars before all the bonds and refinancing is settled.

In 1997 the total athletic budget for UL was around 17 million dollars....the 2017/2018 budget is 104 million. A 6 fold increase in 20 years! According to reports I’ve read, many donors thought that they were donating for education and research, but the money went to new athletic facilities. The athletic department gets upwards of 90% of the revenues the Yum Center generates. The University subsides the athletic department to the tune of 5 million a year, otherwise they would show a loss. UL displays virtually everything that is wrong with big time college athletics running unfettered.....but the times they are a changin’.

This. Plus prostitutes.

[stammina0721]

Xavier should just hire David West and call it a day. Guy would be all over the refs.

If we want to start that talk put me in for Tu Holloway. We can even have a zip up jersey night

[D-West & PO-Z]

Payne is a Louisville alum. Fans hate him because he works for Cal. Tyra promised to hire "minority candidates" in his press conference the other day.

HIRE??? That would be great! Mack is back!

[Masterofreality]

I was looking at Endowments. Princeton is like $24 billion, ND $12 billion, Duke $8 billion, and Ohio State $3.6 billion. Xavier only $170 million. Nova $680 million, Louisville $700 million and KY $1 billion.

Yup. #FactsOnly

[GoMuskies]

HIRE??? That would be great! Mack is back!

Hmm, I might have meant interview. But hell, let's go with it. He's hiring multiple minority candidates. Co-coaches.

[AviatorX]

At least our coach next season won't have the worst suits in the country.

[Muskie]

UD: 524 million
Creighton: 448 million
SLU: 1 billion
Marquette: 550 million

X endowment is artificially low because of all the improvements on campus. But it’s still too low even when considering the improvements.


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[flagship]

https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/977689472044158977

How credible is this?

[AviatorX]

https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/977689472044158977 (https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/977689472044158977)

How credible is this?

Very credible.

Evan Daniels also has indicated that Mack to Louisville is basically signed, sealed delivered.

[flagship]

Can we cautiously be optimistic from this?

[AviatorX]

Can we cautiously be optimistic from this?

No, it's a formality.

There's 0 reason to be optimistic Mack will coach another game for Xavier.

[Xville]

It's an interview to appease the race baiters.

[XUBison]

I don’t get the way this is playing out. Schedule, and even publicly confirm a meeting 3 days in advance, for parties 100 miles apart. Then, on the day of supposed meeting, word comes out that the interim AD will become the permanent AD... in 2 days. Once that happens, the new coach will be announced... sometime a few days later.

I hope Mack isn’t delaying his (private) resignation in order to accommodate UL and this ridiculous schedule. At the very least, X should be afforded the ability to move the hell on. I can’t see how X can start dealing with prospective coaches if there is a shred of hope they can keep Mack, which is what they should be focused on anyway if their is. Thanks Chris, for letting X hang out in the wind, while UL is wining and dining you on KFC and river hookers.

[Yolo18]

I like Coach Mack and everything that he has done for Xavier. I would think if he wants to win a national championship it would be for and at XU. Mack knows he's not getting any younger and can go to Louisville and get a huge payday right now by naming his own price.

1. He knows he's the top candidate.
2. He knows Louisville will have to pay someone extra $$$ due to the FBI investigations.
3. He will hit the lottery in regards to salary.

I think he knows if he doesn't leave now he may never because the offers will be nothing like the Louisville current offer.
So IMO Mack has let the money guide him and not winning a national championship for and at XU. There is nothing wrong with that and most people would do the same thing.

If he wants to go into something that has a huge black cloud over it then congratulations, thank you for your years at XU, and good luck.
I want someone to come here and get us past the Elite Eight, I truly though Mack would be that coach but things change, and people change. Xavier will get a new coach, we will fight on and I hope we play Louisville and knock them out of the tournament.

Cheers!

[LadyMuskie]

If he wants to go into something that has a huge black cloud over it then congratulations, thank you for your years at XU, and good luck.

Cheers!

May his success at Louisville be as great as Miller's success has been at Arizona thus far!

[X-Men]

Well if Loyola can make a Final Four 4 without Mack, we surely can too, and probably before Louisville's next trip there.

[drudy23]

There has been radio silence from everyone at X. No tweets from players, no tweets from administrators, not tweets from Mack, no tweets from Mario, no tweets from local journalists with info from Xavier's end.

Some of those guys have to know what's going on. Someone has to know. They're doing a good job of not saying a damn thing.

[XUBison]

Mack should beware the X hex on former coaches. Miller is getting BF’d by the FBI, Thad’s back broke, and Skip... died.

[SemajParlor]

We just should probably stop throwing around the hypothesized causes of Skip’s untimely death. Seems a little weird lately

[GoMuskies]

We just should probably stop throwing around the hypothesized causes of Skip’s untimely death. Seems a little weird lately

I'm pretty sure it was the Russians.

[XUBison]

We just should probably stop throwing around the hypothesized causes of Skip’s untimely death. Seems a little weird lately

A hex does not make for a strong hypothesis, I don’t think. The Russians, however...

[SemajParlor]

Don’t really get it . Anyways should I get just an ounce of optimism for this other candidate to be interviewed or is this just a formality as I suspect?

[JTG]

Not sure if this has been discussed. Rick Bozich aka Mr. Louisville sports scene has an article stating not a done deal yet, pending Mack's .meeting with X. If anyone would know he would. Maybe Mr Xville could post the article, as I am technically illiterate.

[GoMuskies]

Don’t really get it . Anyways should I get just an ounce of optimism for this other candidate to be interviewed or is this just a formality as I suspect?

Minority candidate to fulfill AD's promise. That's it. No chance.

[Xville]

Don’t really get it . Anyways should I get just an ounce of optimism for this other candidate to be interviewed or is this just a formality as I suspect?

I think it's a formality mostly to appease the race baiters but also because former ul players are pushing hard for him. Only hope here would be if it is such a push that tyras hands are tied, but I think that's a .00000001 chance.

[SemajParlor]

There has been radio silence from everyone at X. No tweets from players, no tweets from administrators, not tweets from Mack, no tweets from Mario, no tweets from local journalists with info from Xavier's end.

Some of those guys have to know what's going on. Someone has to know. They're doing a good job of not saying a damn thing.

All the cool kids are on instagram. I won’t lie I thought the worst with this caption.

https://instagram.com/p/BgsB1zbgBFq/

[stammina0721]

I'm only surprised in that Mack seems to be holding X up. If it is inevitable just go and let X start their search so the new coach can start recruiting ASAP

[GoMuskies]

The Payne thing does have Louisville fans a bit nervous.

[Xville]

http://www.wdrb.com/story/37802067/bozich-louisville-basketball-coaching-update-mack-payne-vitale

Here you go jtg :)

[GoMuskies]

Trivia: Payne hit the game tying 3 in the waning seconds in the 88 Preseason NIT game against Xavier. Tyrone Hill took it the other way for the huge Xavier win.

[paulxu]

Maybe he has to let Louisville interview Payne to meet some regs, so no one can say anything till after that.
Payne did play on NC for Louisville, and was an assistant coach at Kentucky for another.

[GoMuskies]

Payne was a redshirt on the championship team in 86.

[Lloyd Braun]

Maybe X should interview Payne (in the event of an opening)

[paulxu]

Payne was a redshirt on the championship team in 86.

True. Also, Bilass was on the losing Duke side. Hard to believe K has coached there that long.

[XUBison]

Agree that Payne has to be a pc formality. He can’t possibly be their plan B. FWIW, the first sentence is an embarrassment.

[bleedXblue]

It is concerning there are no other real candidates that have been floated publicly leads me to believe that they are very confident they have their guy.

[drudy23]

If Mack is still giving X the chance to present an offer, there's still a chance.

[bleedXblue]

If Mack is still giving X the chance to present an offer, there's still a chance.

maybe they already have?

[drudy23]

There's zero chance they don't present an offer, and there's zero chance Mack doesn't entertain it.

He's going to listen to both before he makes a decision.

At this point, just make a damn decision.

[xavierj]

If Mack is still giving X the chance to present an offer, there's still a chance.

I think he is/had and Xavier has made a huge offer. They want Chris as I think most Xavier fans do. It won’t be the end of the world, but I am confident Xavier has offered him to be the highest paid coach in the big east. That’s a big commitment in my opinion. Lot’s of people say pay the man, Xavier has tried and then some. Oh and if you think Chris was hurting, he bought a house last summer for $1.9 million in NKY. He was and is compensated well.

[bleedXblue]

There's zero chance they don't present an offer, and there's zero chance Mack doesn't entertain it.

He's going to listen to both before he makes a decision.

At this point, just make a damn decision.

Maybe he already has Xavier's offer in hand? If he does, then this should be over by tomorrow/Monday at the latest.

[Masterofreality]

I think he is/had and Xavier has made a huge offer. They want Chris as I think most Xavier fans do. It won’t be the end of the world, but I am confident Xavier has offered him to be the highest paid coach in the big east. That’s a big commitment in my opinion. Lot’s of people say pay the man, Xavier has tried and then some. Oh and if you think Chris was hurting, he bought a house last summer for $1.9 million in NKY. He was and is compensated well.

Yes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Did anyone else here the meeting was supposed to be today but was pushed to tomorrow? I heard that today.

[bjf123]

To quote a line from one of my favorite 80’s songs by Tears for Fears, “I can’t stand this indecision.”


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[paulxu]

Did anyone else here the meeting was supposed to be today but was pushed to tomorrow? I heard that today.

So you don't believe Vitale that the press conference is "mid week?"

[xu82]

So you don't believe Vitale that the press conference is "mid week?"

Does Dick know what day of the week it is today?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe he already has Xavier's offer in hand? If he does, then this should be over by tomorrow/Monday at the latest.

Not if Louisville really has to interview this Payne dude right? That probably wont happen until Monday at the earliest.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So you don't believe Vitale that the press conference is "mid week?"

Not sure I heard what Dick said. I was just told by someone who knows someone that the meeting was supposed to be today but was pushed to tomorrow. No idea why? Weather maybe?

[drudy23]

For what it's worth, there's a new thread on the Louisville forum saying Mack is re-considering, per "sources" lol

[xu82]

For what it's worth, there's a new thread on the Louisville forum saying Mack is re-considering, per "sources" lol

PLEASE be true!

[D-West & PO-Z]

For what it's worth, there's a new thread on the Louisville forum saying Mack is re-considering, per "sources" lol

link? which board? Do they only have one?

[drudy23]

https://247sports.com/college/louisville/Board/The-Yum-103990

Thread titled "Anyone hearing Mack is out" - doesn't sound too verified however. Probably just noise.

[D-West & PO-Z]

A friend just texted me something about the Louisville President Grissom lecturing about how much he'd be willing to pay the new head coach to board members. Just some more chatter....

[D-West & PO-Z]

So the Mack meeting was possibly actually tonight? And maybe in NKY?

And now there are rumors Mack might not take the job?

Hey I'll take that!

PLEASE!

[JTG]

So you're sayin there's a chance ?

[D-West & PO-Z]

So you're sayin there's a chance ?

I just heard that from someone but who the fuck knows what is true.

[drudy23]

So the Mack meeting was possibly actually tonight? And maybe in NKY?

And now there are rumors Mack might not take the job?

Hey I'll take that!

PLEASE!

Huh?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Huh?

Apparently the Louisville equivalent of Broering has said that Louisville and Mack may have actually met tonight and in northern kentucky, not Louisville. Meeting was reported to be tomorrow in Louisville.

Then there was that post on their board of someone saying they heard mack was out.

So I was just thinking if they truly did meet tonight and now there is rumors Mack is out that maybe is some hope coming through!

Again though I really dont take these rumors seriously. Too many and too many contradicting each other.

[drudy23]

Where did you see the NKY info?

And how has Broering been so quiet on this? There's no way no one knows nothing. It's odd, especially when being first is more important than being right. Nobody wants to touch it, and that has me wondering...

[Backyard Champ]

Love being hopeful. To save everyone time, the thread on Louisville forum is full of "your source doesn't know what they're talking about".

Maybe the poster is right, but still seems overwhelmingly like Mack will be the Louisville coach. Though the new stuff does have me intrigued.

[GoMuskies]

A friend just texted me something about the Louisville President Grissom lecturing about how much he'd be willing to pay the new head coach to board members. Just some more chatter....

Grissom is Chairman of the Board of Trustees. Postel is the interim President. They were apparently all set to hire the former interim President, and then he bolted to UC, resetting their process.

[JTG]

Is this the disinformation sports event of the 21st century or what ?

[xukeith]

Is this the disinformation sports event of the 21st century or what ?

Perhaps Mack's condition of being hired on at UL was they hire former UL grad and current assistant which has UL fans going nuts.

[IM4X]

If not for him (Cincinnati native and X alum), then whom? Him leaving would sting the most because I was convinced he was finally the one to stop the stepping stone trend.

Bingo!

As I've also mentioned before, his decision is much bigger than any coach leaving X in the past. If he leaves, it sends a very different message.

This is a guy claiming X is his dream job... his final destination. Now we hear he is supposedly even being offered a substantial bump in pay that should put to bed and financial reason for him to want to leave. Louisville may be offering more, but $3 million is a ton of money (especially when you think that it is likely going to be part of bigger deal for a number of years). Xavier has stepped up by giving an Alum a chance to be a head coach and prove it can win a final four. They stepped up again with an extremely generous offer for a private school.

If he stays, Chris and Xavier and the Xavier job look very good. If he does not stay, it is him saying his distinguished Alma Mater even with a BE regular season title and a number 1 seed is not as good as a higher paying Big ACC school that has knowingly done many shady things to get recruits and win. It is Chris in a sense embracing that bad behavior and the idea that making the most money one can is what really matters.

I am am not necessarily even saying those are the reasons he ultimately would take the job... but it would be the perception... and in today's world perception is reality.

One thing I have yet to buy into is that Mack has already taken the job. I certainly am not saying he is gone. I will continue hope and believe he is staying at X until I hear him say otherwise.

[xukeith]

Well he will always be at minimum an X alumni.

[smileyy]

Banners on the Parkway talking about Louisville going up to 7M for Mack.

He can hold them over as big of a barrel as he wants.

[waggy]

Hahaha. God bless 'em if they want to give Chris 7M per.

[GIMMFD]

Hahaha. God bless 'em if they want to give Chris 7M per.

That would really reset market value of coaches, don't you think?? Would that end up having a negative impact on our situation if Mack does leave and he does get some type of ridiculous number like that??

[Xville]

That would really reset market value of coaches, don't you think?? Would that end up having a negative impact on our situation if Mack does leave and he does get some type of ridiculous number like that??

Not really...Chris Holtmann is making over 7 at Ohio state. I think that reset the market.

I find it hard to believe that Louisville would offer that kind of money right now though....their donor money is way way way down because the big dogs are pissed Jurich (former ad) got the boot.

[waggy]

That would really reset market value of coaches, don't you think?? Would that end up having a negative impact on our situation if Mack does leave and he does get some type of ridiculous number like that??

I think we might be talking about something that isn't reality, but IF the new number is 7M then I think it speaks to desperation more than anything. 36 hrs ago other internet nobodys were throwing 4.2M around. Who knows what's true. If I had my own waggy website I'd be the first to throw out 10M as clickbait.

[waggy]

And if Holtmann gets 7M then Mack should get at least 8M.

[Xville]

I'll be absolutely shocked if Mack isn't announced by midweek as Louisville head coach from everything I have heard.

Of course until papers are signed and the press conference happens, anything is possible no matter how remote.

[stammina0721]

Bingo!

As I've also mentioned before, his decision is much bigger than any coach leaving X in the past. If he leaves, it sends a very different message.

This is a guy claiming X is his dream job... his final destination. Now we hear he is supposedly even being offered a substantial bump in pay that should put to bed and financial reason for him to want to leave. Louisville may be offering more, but $3 million is a ton of money (especially when you think that it is likely going to be part of bigger deal for a number of years). Xavier has stepped up by giving an Alum a chance to be a head coach and prove it can win a final four. They stepped up again with an extremely generous offer for a private school.

If he stays, Chris and Xavier and the Xavier job look very good. If he does not stay, it is him saying his distinguished Alma Mater even with a BE regular season title and a number 1 seed is not as good as a higher paying Big ACC school that has knowingly done many shady things to get recruits and win. It is Chris in a sense embracing that bad behavior and the idea that making the most money one can is what really matters.

I am am not necessarily even saying those are the reasons he ultimately would take the job... but it would be the perception... and in today's world perception is reality.

One thing I have yet to buy into is that Mack has already taken the job. I certainly am not saying he is gone. I will continue hope and believe he is staying at X until I hear him say otherwise.

[QUOTE=IM4X;620263]

You are going way over the top. There are only a few schools that are destination jobs. By destination job it means to me that noone will leave that job for anywhere unless fired. Those schools are...
UK
Kansas
Syracuse
Duke
UCLA
UNC
These are the only destination jobs. To think X will ever crack that is ridiculous. You may ask why don't I throw in Arizona, Michigan State, Louisville and so on. Because if any of those schools listed above had an opening happened and they wanted the coach of say Arizona they would get him. I almost didn't put Kansas on the destination list because UNC took Roy Williams from them. However I'll let that slide since Willaims is a UNC alum.

Point being is that Mack leaving is not a testament about Xavier, the basketball program or what has been done in the past. In reality unless you are one of the seven schools listed above then you are a stepping stone. If UNC wants Chris Holtman in a few years then does that say something about OSU? What if Jay Wright goes to Duke if Coach K retires? Does that say something about Nova? Of course not. That is the nature of successful men. Successful men want to reach the pinnacle. The pinnacle for a business man isn't CEO of XYZ corporation it is CEO of Amazon. The pinnacle for a college coach is no school other than those 7. Mack is doing what successful men do. Working his way up the ladder to one day reach the pinnacle.

I'll never fault a man for that and i surely wouldnt judge a program based on that

[stammina0721]

I'll be absolutely shocked if Mack isn't announced by midweek as Louisville head coach from everything I have heard.

Of course until papers are signed and the press conference happens, anything is possible no matter how remote.

As we have seen in the past even a press conference means nothing lol. Had to jab UMASS there

[IM4X]

[QUOTE=IM4X;620263]

You are going way over the top. There are only a few schools that are destination jobs. By destination job it means to me that noone will leave that job for anywhere unless fired. Those schools are...
UK
Kansas
Syracuse
Duke
UCLA
UNC
These are the only destination jobs. To think X will ever crack that is ridiculous. You may ask why don't I throw in Arizona, Michigan State, Louisville and so on. Because if any of those schools listed above had an opening happened and they wanted the coach of say Arizona they would get him. I almost didn't put Kansas on the destination list because UNC took Roy Williams from them. However I'll let that slide since Willaims is a UNC alum.

Point being is that Mack leaving is not a testament about Xavier, the basketball program or what has been done in the past. In reality unless you are one of the seven schools listed above then you are a stepping stone. If UNC wants Chris Holtman in a few years then does that say something about OSU? What if Jay Wright goes to Duke if Coach K retires? Does that say something about Nova? Of course not. That is the nature of successful men. Successful men want to reach the pinnacle. The pinnacle for a business man isn't CEO of XYZ corporation it is CEO of Amazon. The pinnacle for a college coach is no school other than those 7. Mack is doing what successful men do. Working his way up the ladder to one day reach the pinnacle.

I'll never fault a man for that and i surely wouldnt judge a program based on that

No... I don't think I am going over the top.

I see you stating your opinion about what a business man wants and what a destination jobs is.

I can tell you every business man and every college basketball coach do not have the same goals and aspirations.

Further... every coach does not have an ultimate goal to get to one of those 6 schools you've listed.

The truth is a destination job can simply be a place where a coach gets hired and then loves the situation so much that he never cares to leave no matter who comes calling.

Some coaches are content with their situation because they're making good money and they've made many amazing friends and built incredible relationships and they know they are being appreciated where they are as much as they would ever be appreciated any place else... and they feel tremendous love and support from the fans and they have the ear of the administration... and they have a routine in place they look forward to following and they love the city where they live ... and they know they can recruit well enough to compete and win... and their family is very happy where they are.

Mark Few at Gonzaga and Jay Wright at Nova are examples of coaches who have found there destination job outside those schools you've mentioned. By the way, I am not so sure Wright would take the Duke job if offered.

John Thompson II found his destination job at Georgetown... Chaney at Temple... Crum at Louisville. Olson at Arizona...
Lou Carnasecca found his destination job at St. John's... and Mack could easily find his at X.

[X Factor]

[QUOTE=stammina0721;620276]

No... I don't think I am going over the top.

I see you stating your opinion about what a business man wants and what a destination jobs is.

I can tell you every business man and every college basketball coach do not have the same goals and aspirations.

Further... every coach does not have an ultimate goal to get to one of those 6 schools you've listed.

The truth is a destination job can simply be a place where a coach gets hired and then loves the situation so much that he never cares to leave no matter who comes calling.

Some coaches are content with their situation because they're making good money and they've made many amazing friends and built incredible relationships and they know they are being appreciated where they are as much as they would ever be appreciated any place else... and they feel tremendous love and support from the fans and they have the ear of the administration... and they have a routine in place they look forward to following and they love the city where they live ... and they know they can recruit well enough to compete and win... and their family is very happy where they are.

Mark Few at Gonzaga and Jay Wright at Nova are examples of coaches who have found there destination job outside those schools you've mentioned. By the way, I am not so sure Wright would take the Duke job if offered.

John Thompson II found his destination job at Georgetown... Chaney at Temple... Crum at Louisville. Olson at Arizona...
Lou Carnasecca found his destination job at St. John's... and Mack could easily find his at X.

Don't forget Phil Martelli at St. Joseph's. :biggrin:

[dubbledxu]

I know $$ covers alot of wounds, but how the hell does Mack explain to his 2 daughters why he wants to take a job where they regularly used hookers as recruitment material. And I dont buy the "those guys are all gone" business, the board is still in place. Sleazy Papa John knows exactly what goes on down there and is far more involved in the day to day happenings than a board president prob should be.

[Xville]

I know $$ covers alot of wounds, but how the hell does Mack explain to his 2 daughters why he wants to take a job where they regularly used hookers as recruitment material. And I dont buy the "those guys are all gone" business, the board is still in place. Sleazy Papa John knows exactly what goes on down there and is far more involved in the day to day happenings than a board president prob should be.

It's a completely different board and papa John isn't even on the board anymore. Where do you guys get this stuff?

[dubbledxu]

It's a completely different board and papa John isn't even on the board anymore. Where do you guys get this stuff?

http://louisville.edu/president/board-of-trustees Sure looks like hes the vice chairman to me.

[Emp]

I know $$ covers alot of wounds, but how the hell does Mack explain to his 2 daughters why he wants to take a job where they regularly used hookers as recruitment material. And I dont buy the "those guys are all gone" business, the board is still in place. Sleazy Papa John knows exactly what goes on down there and is far more involved in the day to day happenings than a board president prob should be.


1. Why is this so differnt from "explaining" one of your players banging one of your assistant's wife? No condom (maybe non-) consensual sex? It comes with the territory of coaching high testosterone young men and being a father. There is no downside to being a much more ethical father/coach than his predecessor: "Girls, yourfather will never be that kind of coach ." We're overrating this factor by powers.

2. One of Mack's biggest appeal items to Louiville is that he has NO recruiting or personal scandal. "Look who we hired. We're seriously done with sleaze ". That's a premium of great value to an institution in the muck up to its nose.

[dubbledxu]

1. Why is this so differnt from "explaining" one of your players banging one of your assistant's wife? No condom (maybe non-) consensual sex? It comes with the territory of coaching high testosterone young men and being a father. There is no downside to being a much more ethical father/coach than his predecessor: "Girls, yourfather will never be that kind of coach ." We're overrating this factor by powers.

2. One of Mack's biggest appeal items to Louiville is that he has NO recruiting or personal scandal. "Look who we hired. We're seriously done with sleaze ". That's a premium of great value to an institution in the muck up to its nose.

1. I dont know what youre referencing, we dont talk about rumors as facts here (wink wink).

2. Yet petrino and schattner are still there, so theyre not trying that hard...

[Xville]

http://louisville.edu/president/board-of-trustees Sure looks like hes the vice chairman to me.

Athletic board.

[JEHARDI]

[QUOTE=stammina0721;620276]

No... I don't think I am going over the top.

I see you stating your opinion about what a business man wants and what a destination jobs is.

I can tell you every business man and every college basketball coach do not have the same goals and aspirations.

Further... every coach does not have an ultimate goal to get to one of those 6 schools you've listed.

The truth is a destination job can simply be a place where a coach gets hired and then loves the situation so much that he never cares to leave no matter who comes calling.

Some coaches are content with their situation because they're making good money and they've made many amazing friends and built incredible relationships and they know they are being appreciated where they are as much as they would ever be appreciated any place else... and they feel tremendous love and support from the fans and they have the ear of the administration... and they have a routine in place they look forward to following and they love the city where they live ... and they know they can recruit well enough to compete and win... and their family is very happy where they are.

Mark Few at Gonzaga and Jay Wright at Nova are examples of coaches who have found there destination job outside those schools you've mentioned. By the way, I am not so sure Wright would take the Duke job if offered.

John Thompson II found his destination job at Georgetown... Chaney at Temple... Crum at Louisville. Olson at Arizona...
Lou Carnasecca found his destination job at St. John's... and Mack could easily find his at X.

Wright was in the rumor mill on an annual basis for a number of years, primarily, for NBA jobs. Granted he stayed but he definitely looked and considered other options. Hope the same becomes true for Mack.

[dubbledxu]

[QUOTE=IM4X;620281]

Wright was in the rumor mill on an annual basis for a number of years, primarily, for NBA jobs. Granted he stayed but he definitely looked and considered other options. Hope the same becomes true for Mack.

As was coach K for the lakers a few diff times.

[paulxu]

If Mack leaves, that does not mean XU isn't a destination job.

Also, I'm not understanding why we assume X has already offered him anything at this point.
If Louisville asked to interview him, isn't it possible X will wait till he has Louisville's offer, and then counter with their best shot?

[Straightshooter]

The program needs Mack to stay for stability. If he leaves, Xavier will always be a mere stepping stone for coaches. Big decision for all of Xavier Nation. If he leaves for Louisville, its too bad he doesn't get the hell away. Time for a Xavier man to step up and be one.

[bleedXblue]

Not really...Chris Holtmann is making over 7 at Ohio state. I think that reset the market.

I find it hard to believe that Louisville would offer that kind of money right now though....their donor money is way way way down because the big dogs are pissed Jurich (former ad) got the boot.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/02/02/ohio-state-basketball-coach-chris-holtmanns-eight.html

People really need to get the facts. Holtmann is not making 7MM a year. More like 3-3.5 when you average it out.

[xavierj]

The program needs Mack to stay for stability. If he leaves, Xavier will always be a mere stepping stone for coaches. Big decision for all of Xavier Nation. If he leaves for Louisville, its too bad he doesn't get the hell away. Time for a Xavier man to step up and be one.

Chris will leave so next man up. Steele would stay longer than Chris in my opinion. He is young and hungry, been here over 10 years, wife is from here and from what I hear she wants to stay here. Also her family is pretty much loaded and are Xavier supporters.

[Xville]

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/02/02/ohio-state-basketball-coach-chris-holtmanns-eight.html

People really need to get the facts. Holtmann is not making 7MM a year. More like 3-3.5 when you average it out.

Got it from the USA today article...not sure where the discrepancy is but I doubt they posted fake news.

[bleedXblue]

Got it from the USA today article...not sure where the discrepancy is but I doubt they posted fake news.

https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/chris-holtmann-ohio-state-contract-2017-buyout-language

Here's another one. With copy of the actual contract.....

[GoMuskies]

I think the 7 in his first year includes $4 million to Butler to buy out his contract.

[xu82]

I think the 7 in his first year includes $4 million to Butler to buy out his contract.

That might make sense and is more than a little misleading.

[Xville]

That might make sense and is more than a little misleading.

Ah ok that makes sense...very misleading

[Muskie in dayton]

Got it from the USA today article...not sure where the discrepancy is but I doubt they posted fake news.

Hahahahahah! You’re killing me, man! Hahahahah! You’re too much! Hahahahah.

[bleedXblue]

If I had to guess based on recent deals out there at similar size schools...OSU, IU etc, UL will offer something in the range of $4-5 MM for 7 years.

[Section 200]

The program needs Mack to stay for stability. If he leaves, Xavier will always be a mere stepping stone for coaches. Big decision for all of Xavier Nation. If he leaves for Louisville, its too bad he doesn't get the hell away. Time for a Xavier man to step up and be one.

Every job is a stepping stone to something else. Roy left Kansas, Pitino left UK. Coaches leaving just mean we're winning.

[bleedXblue]

Every job is a stepping stone to something else. Roy left Kansas, Pitino left UK. Coaches leaving just mean we're winning.

Yes and no. Kansas has had two coaches in the last 30 years. X has had 5. UK maybe a little more turnover, but it was more b/c Tubby and Gillespie weren't winning enough.

[stammina0721]

[QUOTE=stammina0721;620276]

No... I don't think I am going over the top.

I see you stating your opinion about what a business man wants and what a destination jobs is.

I can tell you every business man and every college basketball coach do not have the same goals and aspirations.

Further... every coach does not have an ultimate goal to get to one of those 6 schools you've listed.

The truth is a destination job can simply be a place where a coach gets hired and then loves the situation so much that he never cares to leave no matter who comes calling.

Some coaches are content with their situation because they're making good money and they've made many amazing friends and built incredible relationships and they know they are being appreciated where they are as much as they would ever be appreciated any place else... and they feel tremendous love and support from the fans and they have the ear of the administration... and they have a routine in place they look forward to following and they love the city where they live ... and they know they can recruit well enough to compete and win... and their family is very happy where they are.

Mark Few at Gonzaga and Jay Wright at Nova are examples of coaches who have found there destination job outside those schools you've mentioned. By the way, I am not so sure Wright would take the Duke job if offered.

John Thompson II found his destination job at Georgetown... Chaney at Temple... Crum at Louisville. Olson at Arizona...
Lou Carnasecca found his destination job at St. John's... and Mack could easily find his at X.

Look at all of the names in your last paragraph. Not one of them are in the game right now. They come from an era in basketball that is light years away from today's game. It is easy for a Chaney to stay at Temple when the difference between his job and the top jobs was significantly smaller than the pay between a Xavier and top jobs now. You can stay at a place when the difference between top jobs is only a few hundred thousand as opposed to today where the difference is millions.

Let me ask you this. Would you say Temple is a better program than Xavier because they kept Chaney his entire life? Would you say St. John's is a better program because they kept Carneseca his entire life? I would hope you agree that both of those schools are nowhere near the caliber program of Xavier so then my question becomes, Why would keeping a coach forever be the judging stick for how good a program is?

Look I am not looking to put you on blast, but I don't understand your logic. Before Chris Mack showed up, if Xavier and Duke were going for the same recruit the Duke always wins. Always has in the past and always will in the future. However, Xavier has proven to compete with and beat out the likes of Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, and even UCLA for recruits in the recent past. Xavier has been getting into better players homes for decades now due to the steady success of the program. Chris Mack is a part of that but he sure isn't the cause of that.

When you make a comment like that it implies that the Xavier brand IS Chris Mack. That is not the case. For the last 40 years Xavier has built a program that can compete with the best in the country. They will continue to do so well into the future with or without Chris Mack. So if he leaves it says nothing about our program. It didn't say anything when Guillen, Prosser, Matta, or Miller left so why would Mack leaving be any different? Two or three years from now a kid isn't going to reject X cause Mack left or pick X cause Mack is there. They are going to pick or reject X based on the brand and style of play and if X can help that kid reach his goals. The brand has not ever or will ever be about one guy

[stammina0721]

The program needs Mack to stay for stability. If he leaves, Xavier will always be a mere stepping stone for coaches. Big decision for all of Xavier Nation. If he leaves for Louisville, its too bad he doesn't get the hell away. Time for a Xavier man to step up and be one.

This is just factually inaccurate. Xavier has been a stable program for 40 years now despite 5 head coaches. We will be fine with or without Chris Mack. Take solace in the fact that each coach who has left for "Greener pastures" has literally done nothing at any school they went to

[bleedXblue]

This is just factually inaccurate. Xavier has been a stable program for 40 years now despite 5 head coaches. We will be fine with or without Chris Mack. Take solace in the fact that each coach who has left for "Greener pastures" has literally done nothing at any school they went to

Well they made bunch more money and Matta took a team to the NCAA finals.

[stammina0721]

Which is why I say a coach leaving says nothing about X as a program. Money always wins. From Guillen till now Xavier coaches have moved on and produced a total of 1 final four. Sounds to me like we are passing on problems to bigger schools until we find the right guy.

[GoMuskies]

That 1 Final Four is under protest. How that was not an intentional foul on Oden is beyond comprehension.

[stammina0721]

That 1 Final Four is under protest. How that was not an intentional foul on Oden is beyond comprehension.

Agreed

[SemajParlor]

Every job is a stepping stone to something else. Roy left Kansas, Pitino left UK. Coaches leaving just mean we're winning.

Roy went to his Alma Mater , Pitino did not go from UK straight to Louisville

[jamal4xu]

That 1 Final Four is under protest. How that was not an intentional foul on Oden is beyond comprehension.

Truer words have not been spoken

[OTRMUSKIE]

Looks like tomorrow Mack will be named head coach. They are reporting that they want to interview Kenny payne too but no way that is happening.

[GoMuskies]

Looks like tomorrow Mack will be named head coach. They are reporting that they want to interview Kenny payne too but no way that is happening.

Tomorrow's meeting/PC is to name Tyra permanent AD.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Then Mack Tuesday? The whole Kenny Payne is to appease the PC community and interview a black coach. That’s embarrassing to interview someone that isn’t getting the job.

[GoMuskies]

It's embarrassing to interview someone that isn't getting the job?!?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Then Mack Tuesday? The whole Kenny Payne is to appease the PC community and interview a black coach. That’s embarrassing to interview someone that isn’t getting the job.

It's too appease former players who are wanting it to be Payne. It may be what you said too but I read there's a lot of former players who want Payne.

[OTRMUSKIE]

So former players make the better coach? Or do coaches who didn’t play college ball make better coaches?

[GoMuskies]

Man, look how young those two were! This has been a while!

https://twitter.com/MoellerMD/status/977933572886728707

[xudash]

This is just factually inaccurate. Xavier has been a stable program for 40 years now despite 5 head coaches. We will be fine with or without Chris Mack. Take solace in the fact that each coach who has left for "Greener pastures" has literally done nothing at any school they went to

The Xavier program is totally stable.

The matter of stability and continuity here has to do with all the connections and efforts in recruiting, that compound over time:

- recruits believing that a coach will stay put.
- all the connections a staff makes.

[Caveat]

So former players make the better coach? Or do coaches who didn’t play college ball make better coaches?

I don’t know how coaches who *didn’t* play command even an ounce of respect, TBH.

[xudash]

Ask this again if anyone has a guess or clue:

What is Mack's BUYOUT? What will UL have to pay X if this comes down?

[paulxu]

If it's the remaining time (5 years) at @$2 million/yr, it would be $10 million.
Have no idea really how they structure these.

[GoMuskies]

If it's the remaining time (5 years) at @$2 million/yr, it would be $10 million.
Have no idea really how they structure these.

That's what Xavier would have to pay to fire Mack. Highly unlikely Mack has to pay that much to quit.

[paulxu]

That's what Xavier would have to pay to fire Mack. Highly unlikely Mack has to pay that much to quit.

Agree. I'm trying to find some examples of what that entails, and can't.

[paulxu]

Here's some structural information, but doesn't really address how the "buyout" is calculated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/11/19/college-football-coaches-compensation-buyouts-texas-louisville-alabama/19271987/

[xudash]

If it's the remaining time (5 years) at @$2 million/yr, it would be $10 million.
Have no idea really how they structure these.

If that's the structure, then we make that toxic institution pay every penny of it. No discounts for Hooker U.

[GoMuskies]

Here's Gregg Marshall's contract. Compare paragraphs 8 and 9.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article37868061.ece/BINARY/Wichita%20State%20basketball%20coach%20Gregg%20Mar shall%27s%20contract

[xudash]

Here's some structural information, but doesn't really address how the "buyout" is calculated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/11/19/college-football-coaches-compensation-buyouts-texas-louisville-alabama/19271987/

Nice find Paul.

Show UL no mercy on this. Make it at least sting, if the opportunity presents itself.

[bjf123]

Here's Gregg Marshall's contract. Compare paragraphs 8 and 9.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article37868061.ece/BINARY/Wichita%20State%20basketball%20coach%20Gregg%20Mar shall%27s%20contract

The link is not finding the page. Behind a paywall maybe?


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[SM#24]

Every job is a stepping stone to something else. Roy left Kansas, Pitino left UK. Coaches leaving just mean we're winning.

Agree with the bolded part. There are always outliers, for example, is Gonzaga really a "destination" job ? It is for Few, but I would say probably not for his successor.
They key is the number of places someone, in general, would leave your school for.
Xavier will never be a destination job, but I think the number of schools someone would leave Xavier for is around 10-12 tops, maybe less. Unfortunately, Louisville is one of them.

[GoMuskies]

Huh, works for me and I definitely do not subscribe.

Cliff notes: if Marshall was fired without cause, they owed him $15 million (declining as the value of his contract declines over time).

If Marshall quits, he owes $500k to start, declining $100k per year after a couple of years.

[Masterofreality]

50% of me (the Xavier half) says CMack is trolling Louisville.
50% of me (the financial side) says CMack is going Louisville.
Cats living with Dogs.

[mistabeecee41]

Agree with the bolded part. There are always outliers, for example, is Gonzaga really a "destination" job ? It is for Few, but I would say probably not for his successor.
They key is the number of places someone, in general, would leave your school for.
Xavier will never be a destination job, but I think the number of schools someone would leave Xavier for is around 10-12 tops, maybe less. Unfortunately, Louisville is one of them.

I’ve been making the Few/Wright comparisons, but giving Mack a bit of slack. Are there any rumblings amongst the Nova and Zags fans that Wright or Few also have “the one”? We’ve known a Louisville opening was a problem. Maybe Few and Wright are just waiting for theirs to become a possibility and they’re not the loyal lifers we’re makig them out to be

[Xavier]

I think Wright will be first choice at Duke/UNC whenever they open up.

[xavierj]

I think Wright will be first choice at Duke/UNC whenever they open up.

That will suck for Louisville fans...

[xudash]

I think Wright will be first choice at Duke/UNC whenever they open up.

I offer this in all seriousness: why on God's earth would Wright leave Nova? For any other college? For the NBA?

[GIMMFD]

I offer this in all seriousness: why on God's earth would Wright leave Nova? For any other college? For the NBA?

Duke is the pinnacle of college basketball success, we may hate them with a passion but you can't really argue with the brand K has made, and the 5 National Championships he brought. Look at their recruiting right now, it's insane, they get like 2 out of the top 5 guys every single year, and couple that into an athletic power. He'd also get a ridiculous contract, and make some crazy money. The only downfall to all of that would be having to coach in Krzyzewski's shadow, but in terms of a school, Duke is definitely one of the jobs I think any coach would have to seriously consider.

I understand Nova is a power, and Jay Wright is a legend there, but sometimes things get stale and you want to move away, who knows what he thinks? Maybe he's sick of the colder weather in Philly and wants to move to a more mild place like Durham? Maybe, he wants to try to show he's just as good as K and win numerous titles at Duke, you can't really predict these things, but I will say Duke is definitely a job any coach would think twice about.

[xavierj]

Duke is the pinnacle of college basketball success, we may hate them with a passion but you can't really argue with the brand K has made, and the 5 National Championships he brought. Look at their recruiting right now, it's insane, they get like 2 out of the top 5 guys every single year, and couple that into an athletic power. He'd also get a ridiculous contract, and make some crazy money. The only downfall to all of that would be having to coach in Krzyzewski's shadow, but in terms of a school, Duke is definitely one of the jobs I think any coach would have to seriously consider.

I understand Nova is a power, and Jay Wright is a legend there, but sometimes things get stale and you want to move away, who knows what he thinks? Maybe he's sick of the colder weather in Philly and wants to move to a more mild place like Durham? Maybe, he wants to try to show he's just as good as K and win numerous titles at Duke, you can't really predict these things, but I will say Duke is definitely a job any coach would think twice about.

He is going to win #2 at Niva this year. Maybe just stay at Nova and keep winning titles.

[Xavier]

I offer this in all seriousness: why on God's earth would Wright leave Nova? For any other college? For the NBA?

Not saying he would take it- but he would be number one on the wish list. Kentucky, UNC, Duke and maybe Kansas are the tier 1 schools and IMO all would look at Wright first if a job opened up.

[xu82]

I look forward to a time when people say “Duke used to be almost as mighty as Villanova, but NOBODY has ever been as good as Xavier!”

[GIMMFD]

He is going to win #2 at Niva this year. Maybe just stay at Nova and keep winning titles.

I think we've learned you can't write it in stone before hand, but yeah, like I said, who knows what he wants. He definitely has a great thing going at Villanova, he's the man there, he gets paid decently well, is probably in line for a raise, doesn't have to compete with football, and is getting more and more NBA talent as it progresses. By the time K retires, who knows if Nova has grown even more (if that's even possible), but Duke is Duke. Does he want to build on Krzyzewski's legacy, or is he comfortable with what he has at Nova? We don't really know, but I'd be inclined to at least entertain an offer from Duke. It would be pretty damn cool coaching in Cameron Indoor Stadium, and having all that tradition that comes with Duke basketball. Like I said, I know this board isn't the biggest Duke fans, but you gotta respect what they've done over the past 30 years.

[xudash]

Duke is the pinnacle of college basketball success, we may hate them with a passion but you can't really argue with the brand K has made, and the 5 National Championships he brought. Look at their recruiting right now, it's insane, they get like 2 out of the top 5 guys every single year, and couple that into an athletic power. He'd also get a ridiculous contract, and make some crazy money. The only downfall to all of that would be having to coach in Krzyzewski's shadow, but in terms of a school, Duke is definitely one of the jobs I think any coach would have to seriously consider.

I understand Nova is a power, and Jay Wright is a legend there, but sometimes things get stale and you want to move away, who knows what he thinks? Maybe he's sick of the colder weather in Philly and wants to move to a more mild place like Durham? Maybe, he wants to try to show he's just as good as K and win numerous titles at Duke, you can't really predict these things, but I will say Duke is definitely a job any coach would think twice about.

Agree with all your points.

I'm coming from the vantage point of having a very, if not perfectly good thing going on the Mainline and why mess with that.

If he seeks a change, then that's a different animal.

[stammina0721]

Yes. Wright will be on a very short list of candidates if Duke or UNC open up

[waggy]

Shit you win NC #2, just go coach Miami.

[dubbledxu]

That will suck for Louisville fans...

Sooo true. What is mack, 1-9 against Wright?

[jamal4xu]

Sooo true. What is mack, 1-9 against Wright?

Yes

[JEHARDI]

Which is why I say a coach leaving says nothing about X as a program. Money always wins. From Guillen till now Xavier coaches have moved on and produced a total of 1 final four. Sounds to me like we are passing on problems to bigger schools until we find the right guy.

Better do some fact checking, Matta made it to 2 FF and one NC game, far from nothing.

[jamal4xu]

Waiting sucks

[jamal4xu]

1000th post

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Dang it.