Xavier still a #1 seed?

[Irishjohn68]

The joke that is ESPN seems to think that if a 9 lose UNC teams beats Virginia tomorrow that they will pass Xavier on the 1 line. I call BS!

[X-band '01]

UVa will beat them, so it's a moot point.

[Xavier]

Dukes loss guarantees a 1 seed for Xavier. Pretty nice

[dc_x]

Unfortunately, we are down to just 5 quad 1 wins. UNC has 14.

[Xavier]

Unfortunately, we are down to just 5 quad 1 wins. UNC has 14.

I think if they win the ACC today it will be talked about. Problem is they lost to wofford at home and finished 6th in conference. IMO that would be tough to explain if they ended up a 1 seed.

[XU3232]

If we are the 1 in the West with Arizona as the 4 seed that would really suck.. and I bet it happens.

[xavierj]

I think if you are going to be the 4th 1 seed out west, I would rather just be be the top 2 seed in the Midwest.

[AviatorX]

If we are the 1 in the West with Arizona as the 4 seed that would really suck.. and I bet it happens.

Looking pretty likely.

[xukeith]

I bet X will still be the 1 seed in midwest.
10 losses fr UNC hurts their resume for a 1 seed.
We have solid Q1 and Q2 numbers plus excellent SOS.
No worries.

[AviatorX]

I bet X will still be the 1 seed in midwest.
10 losses fr UNC hurts their resume for a 1 seed.
We have solid Q1 and Q2 numbers plus excellent SOS.
No worries.

Yes, other than Kansas likely having a better resume. That said, I have a feeling Kansas was already ahead of X. Don't think X losing to PC (non-factor) and KU beating KSt. made the flip.

[XUOWNSUC]

I think if you are going to be the 4th 1 seed out west, I would rather just be be the top 2 seed in the Midwest.

Screw that. I want a one seed. I'm all for achieving program firsts. I don't care who we play. Bring it on!

[TUclutch]

Yes, other than Kansas likely having a better resume. That said, I have a feeling Kansas was already ahead of X. Don't think X losing to PC (non-factor) and KU beating KSt. made the flip.

It definitely did

[TUclutch]

Screw that. I want a one seed. I'm all for achieving program firsts. I don't care who we play. Bring it on!

Fuck that. Program first 1 seed with a much harder road or a 2 seed and then program first final four with potentially easier matchups and locations. Forget the seed. Give me what is the easiest possible road to the final four

[Xville]

I will take a 2 in the south, over a 1 anywhere...mainly for selfish reasons...i want to watch them in Atlanta if they make it that far.

Plus, I'll take our chances against virginia as the 1. I'd take that over being a 1 and having duke or unc as the 2. This will be unpopular on here but I think those two teams would make it look like we were playing nova again.

[stammina0721]

Yes X is a one

[drudy23]

I'd take X as the 1 in the West if Purdue is the 2...much better than in Duke or Carolina's region.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Unfortunately, we are down to just 5 quad 1 wins. UNC has 14.

Yea but losses have to count too and they have 9! They lost at home to Wofford.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If we are the 1 in the West with Arizona as the 4 seed that would really suck.. and I bet it happens.

Yeah this is my biggest worry. Would not want that at all.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Give me what is the easiest possible road to the final four

Which is the 1 seed.

[AviatorX]

The West should be the "easiest" road, no? Duke/UNC won't be out there in all likelihood if they are both 2's.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I will take a 2 in the south, over a 1 anywhere...mainly for selfish reasons...i want to watch them in Atlanta if they make it that far.

Plus, I'll take our chances against virginia as the 1. I'd take that over being a 1 and having duke or unc as the 2. This will be unpopular on here but I think those two teams would make it look like we were playing nova again.

Luardi has Purdue the 2 out west right now with us the 1. I would rather that regardless that we may have to play Zona in Sweet 16.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'd take X as the 1 in the West if Purdue is the 2...much better than in Duke or Carolina's region.

Yes, sorry didnt see this before I posted the same thing.

[Xavier]

Ideally if we are out West I would like Arizona to jump to a 3 seed. Zona/Purdue as the 2/3 seed would be fine with me. Wouldn't like seeing Zona in the sweet 16, though.

[THRILLHOUSE]

The West should be the "easiest" road, no? Duke/UNC won't be out there in all likelihood if they are both 2's.

Guess it depends if the committee wants to give the highest 2 seed geographical preference, or match them up with the lowest 1 seed. Taking a look at recent brackets and the 1 - 68 rankings, seems like they typically go with geography. So yeah, I think it's safe to assume Duke will be in the East.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Guess it depends if the committee wants to give the highest 2 seed geographical preference, or match them up with the lowest 1 seed. Taking a look at recent brackets and the 1 - 68 rankings, seems like they typically go with geography. So yeah, I think it's safe to assume Duke will be in the East.

Yeah they arent sending a 2 seed Duke out west.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe.
Who cares. It’s time to win.

[XUBison]

I bet X will still be the 1 seed in midwest.
10 losses fr UNC hurts their resume for a 1 seed.
We have solid Q1 and Q2 numbers plus excellent SOS.
No worries.


I saw the Creighton guy who’s head of the selection committee yesterday, I think on CBS Sports. He said that strength of schedule ratings are deceptive, so the committee literally doesn’t consider them. Instead, they will use the quad system, and they will review each team’s schedule to determine whether they actually scheduled well, or whether they scheduled to simply manipulate SOS ratings. FWIW.

[paulxu]

Which doesn't help us. Our OOC SOS was 31. North Carolina's was 4.

Then again, UC's was 144, and Michigan State's was 215.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow Dickie V on TV actually arguing against UNC passing us (although he didnt say us by name) as a 1 seed, saying they have too many losses and we have to use some common sense. First time I have ever heard him argue against Duke or UNC.

Lunardi seems very confident that UNC will pass us if they beat UVA. I dont buy that but will be cheering for UVA just to be safe.

[HenryMuto]

No team has received a #1 seed with 8 or more losses since the NCAA expanded in 1985 to 64 teams.......North Carolina has 9 including a home loss to Wofford.

The new quad system is screwing everything up. North Carolina has 14 quad 1 wins while Xavier has just 5 quad 1 wins as of this moment.

Old system Xavier would be 8-4 vs RPI top 50 and North Carolina would be 11-5 which is not that much different but 14 to 5 is huge difference.

I have been saying all along Xavier wasn't a lock for a #1 seed but some here just blindly kept saying X was a lock X was a lock...........

It was never a lock. The only lock was beating Nova and winning the BE tournament.

Looks like we are rooting for the Virginia's tonight. Virginia and West Virginia.

[HenryMuto]

I had saved the numbers from the Feb 11th show.

Xavier had 8 quad 1 wins on that day. Amazing this team now only has 5 quad 1 wins. The other teams X had beat have fallen.

North Carolina was #12 overall that day they had 7 quad 1 wins.

[Caveat]

I always just assume that being a traditional “blue blood” like UNC is worth an extra half dozen points in the selection room.

Fully expect X to be a #2 tomorrow. And, honestly, for as badly as they played last night, I can’t say it isn’t deserved.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I always just assume that being a traditional “blue blood” like UNC is worth an extra half dozen points in the selection room.

Fully expect X to be a #2 tomorrow. And, honestly, for as badly as they played last night, I can’t say it isn’t deserved.

What seed you deserve isnt based of the result of ONE freaking game. It is your whole season, a season in which we won the Big East and won 28 games.

UNC win or not we will be a 1 seed which we most definitely deserve.

[AviatorX]

I always just assume that being a traditional “blue blood” like UNC is worth an extra half dozen points in the selection room.

Fully expect X to be a #2 tomorrow. And, honestly, for as badly as they played last night, I can’t say it isn’t deserved.

Yes, everyone knows the old "lose a close OT game to a tournament team" and get bumped down a seed line rule.

Even if X ends up a 2, it has nothing to do with last night and everything to do with the team that would leapfrog them (UNC) running through an ACC gauntlet.

[XUBison]

No team has received a #1 seed with 8 or more losses since the NCAA expanded in 1985 to 64 teams.......North Carolina has 9 including a home loss to Wofford.

The new quad system is screwing everything up. North Carolina has 14 quad 1 wins while Xavier has just 5 quad 1 wins as of this moment.

Old system Xavier would be 8-4 vs RPI top 50 and North Carolina would be 11-5 which is not that much different but 14 to 5 is huge difference.

I have been saying all along Xavier wasn't a lock for a #1 seed but some here just blindly kept saying X was a lock X was a lock...........

It was never a lock. The only lock was beating Nova and winning the BE tournament.

Looks like we are rooting for the Virginia's tonight. Virginia and West Virginia.


Don’t think we’re a lock either. Can’t believe we only have 5 quad 1 wins. Seems almost impossible. Amazing how things have played out against our favor. And the worst part about last night’s Loss,it seems our skeptics feel validated by the way we lost. To some extent, maybe they were. If we get a 1, we’ll have backed into it.

[X Factor]

I think if Nova wins tonight, that helps Xavier. If Nova loses, no way they give both X and Nova 1 seeds. If Nova wins, I think X gets that last 1 seed.

Just don't think Carolina has done enough to get a 1 seed. I'm probably wrong though. It IS UNC.

[AviatorX]

I think if Nova wins tonight, that helps Xavier. If Nova loses, no way they give both X and Nova 1 seeds. If Nova wins, I think X gets that last 1 seed.

Just don't think Carolina has done enough to get a 1 seed. I'm probably wrong though. It IS UNC.

If Virginia beats UNC, it's hard to imagine X not being a 1.

Have to have four 1 seeds.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think if Nova wins tonight, that helps Xavier. If Nova loses, no way they give both X and Nova 1 seeds. If Nova wins, I think X gets that last 1 seed.

Just don't think Carolina has done enough to get a 1 seed. I'm probably wrong though. It IS UNC.

I'm trying to follow but can't. Can you elaborate on why Nova losing means you dont think both Nova and X will get 1 seeds?

[XUBison]

What seed you deserve isnt based of the result of ONE freaking game. It is your whole season, a season in which we won the Big East and won 28 games.

UNC win or not we will be a 1 seed which we most definitely deserve.


That’s all well and good, but this is your opinion, and unless you are on the committee, it is irrelevant. You may be right, but to speak with such certainty doesn’t make sense to me. There is plenty of fodder to fuel the debate, more than last night’s game.

[X Factor]

I'm trying to follow but can't. Can you elaborate on why Nova losing means you dont think both Nova and X will get 1 seeds?

I don't know, just personal opinion. Probably wrong, but just have a feeling X is going to get a 2 seed for some reason. If UVA wins the ACC, then I think X is a 1 seed. If UNC wins the ACC and Providence wins the BE, I think X will get a 2 seed.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Nova and X are both getting one seeds. The committee already has both teams as a 1. UNC is playing for the top 2 seed in Charlotte. What sucks for them is they can’t be in the south bracket because of Virginia right? So they could move UNC to a 1 in the Midwest and out X as a 2 in the south. Which honestly is better as far as traveling goes. Atlanta is an easy drive. It’s all moot bc X is a 1 and that’s a �� lock

[XUBison]

I think if Nova wins tonight, that helps Xavier. If Nova loses, no way they give both X and Nova 1 seeds. If Nova wins, I think X gets that last 1 seed.

Just don't think Carolina has done enough to get a 1 seed. I'm probably wrong though. It IS UNC.


I think Nova will wax the Friars, but if PC does win, it will be interesting to see what seed they earn.

[AviatorX]

If UVA and Nova win, it will almost certainly be:

1) UVA - Atlanta
2) Nova - Boston
3) Kansas - Omaha
4) X - LA
5) Duke/UNC - Boston (whoever is 5th can't go to Atlanta)
6) Duke/UNC - Omaha (don't think they'll pair ACC teams but I guess no reason they couldn't)

I think Lunardi and Palm may have an ACC team out West, but I can't figure out why that would happen. Could be missing something there.

Kinda sucks that if Zona is a 4 they'll almost certainly go West and if they make it, have virtual home games. But when no team out West is going to be on the top 3 lines, nothing you can do.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That’s all well and good, but this is your opinion, and unless you are on the committee, it is irrelevant. You may be right, but to speak with such certainty doesn’t make sense to me. There is plenty of fodder to fuel the debate, more than last night’s game.

The committee specifically says every year it is about the seasons body of work not just February or one specific time frame.That is why most people have Oklahoma in and why ASU can still make it.

It is my opinion the UNC game doesnt matter, we will see about that but I am petty confident they are still considering losses, not just wins.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If UVA and Nova win, it will almost certainly be:

1) UVA - Atlanta
2) Nova - Boston
3) Kansas - Omaha
4) X - LA
5) Duke/UNC - Boston (whoever is 5th can't go to Atlanta)
6) Duke/UNC - Omaha (don't think they'll pair ACC teams but I guess no reason they couldn't)

I think Lunardi and Palm may have an ACC team out West, but I can't figure out why that would happen. Could be missing something there.

Kinda sucks that if Zona is a 4 they'll almost certainly go West and if they make it, have virtual home games. But when no team out West is going to be on the top 3 lines, nothing you can do.

Think we are West regardless of KU result tonight? I am hopin they lose and we can stay in MW given that KU would have 8 losses.

Anyone think Zona has a chance to creep up to 3 with a win tonight?

[AviatorX]

Think we are West regardless of KU result tonight? I am hopin they lose and we can stay in MW given that KU would have 8 losses.

Anyone think Zona has a chance to creep up to 3 with a win tonight?

I'm rooting HARD for both things you described. Admittedly haven't really looked that closely at the quadrant comparisons for each, but in light of Auburn getting destroyed by a bubble team yesterday, maybe there's a slim chance Zona moves to a 3 with a win. Don't think there's much of a chance though.

Love to somehow see Auburn, Wichita, Clemson, TT or OSU in the 16 as opposed to Gonzaga, Zona or UK. But obviously lot of ball to be played before then.

[KabeX]

Just back from a very cold sightseeing trip to Statue of Liberty / Ellis Island. 1st time for my 13 year old. It was nice but passed a bunch of PC fans on their way to the Garden. Got pissed again. Then told myself how the extra day of rest .... blah blah blah. Damn it! Need to knock down that FF Door this year! Damn it! Damn it! Damn it!

Thanks. I feel a little better now.

[whopper]

I agree, it is on TV now but half hearted watching of it. In Conn a lot of PC people, even a few ex players from the 70s and 80s back when normal people could play college basketball. They are silently happy and who can blame them.

[HenryMuto]

If UVA and Nova win, it will almost certainly be:

1) UVA - Atlanta
2) Nova - Boston
3) Kansas - Omaha
4) X - LA
5) Duke/UNC - Boston (whoever is 5th can't go to Atlanta)
6) Duke/UNC - Omaha (don't think they'll pair ACC teams but I guess no reason they couldn't)

I think Lunardi and Palm may have an ACC team out West, but I can't figure out why that would happen. Could be missing something there.

Kinda sucks that if Zona is a 4 they'll almost certainly go West and if they make it, have virtual home games. But when no team out West is going to be on the top 3 lines, nothing you can do.

If what you mean by pairing 2 ACC teams in the same region rules state if a team is a top 4 seed from same conference then they can't be in the same region. So North Carolina and Duke won't be able to be in the same region as Virginia or each other for that matter. Those 3 ACC teams have to be put in 3 separate regions.

[GIMMFD]

Well, WVU just made things worse for us. *Sigh* can't count on them for shit.

[HenryMuto]

Well thanks for nothing West Virginia.

X is now almost for sure sent out West at best. Go Virginia.

#1 Virginia
#2 Villanova
#3 Kansas
#4 Xavier or North Carolina

[Backyard Champ]

Also: go Arizona? I'd love for them to be a 3 seed. Even if it's out West. I think if they are out West, I'd rather meet in the elite 8 over sweet 16.

[HenryMuto]

Interesting thought on Zona is this. If Zona was to lose to USC could Gonzaga get the 4 seed out West and Zona have to go to another region if both are 4 seeds ?

[XUBison]

I think if Nova wins tonight, that helps Xavier. If Nova loses, no way they give both X and Nova 1 seeds. If Nova wins, I think X gets that last 1 seed.


It may help X if PC beats Nova. They would have twice beaten X and Nova, and it would speak to the quality and depth of the BE.

[Lloyd Braun]

Ship Nova out West!
Jk

[Lloyd Braun]

Jay Wright’s reaction to overtime was the exact same reaction to him winning the NC. Icy mofo

[D-West & PO-Z]

Providence RPI would jump into top 30 wit a win against Nova. That would give us another Quad 1 win.

[XUBison]

It may help X if PC beats Nova. They would have twice beaten X and Nova, and it would speak to the quality and depth of the BE.


Never mind. Nova winning is obviously the best outcome for X.

[xavierj]

Providence RPI would jump into top 30 wit a win against Nova. That would give us another Quad 1 win.

Yeah that’s over. They are done with the one seeds at this point. Xavier is a one. They are down to the bubble. Things rarely change due to conference tourneys, regardless of what ESPN wants you to believe. The top seeds were done before this weekend.

[AviatorX]

If what you mean by pairing 2 ACC teams in the same region rules state if a team is a top 4 seed from same conference then they can't be in the same region. So North Carolina and Duke won't be able to be in the same region as Virginia or each other for that matter. Those 3 ACC teams have to be put in 3 separate regions.

So I’d think that means UNC to Omaha, Duke to Boston, UC to Atl and Purdue or MSU out west with X?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah that’s over. They are done with the one seeds at this point. Xavier is a one. They are down to the bubble. Things rarely change due to conference tourneys, regardless of what ESPN wants you to believe. The top seeds were done before this weekend.

I agree we are a one either way but I disagree not much changes due to conference tourneys. We've seen huge changes with our own seeding due to conference tourney results multiple years, including twice I can think of where we went from bubble to single digit seed.

Maybe the 1 seeds are determined and dont change but the locations can at least change because we were MW and most think we will now be West.

[Xavier]

To say they don’t play a factor is silly. But they aren’t as important as many believe. I do think if X lost Thursday and duke won the acc they would’ve jumped us.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In 2004 we went into our conference tourney out of the ncaa tourney. We won 4 games in 4 days and were given a 7 seed.

In 2015 most felt we were on the bubble, the right side of it but def in the 9/10 seed range. We beat a ranked Butler and a ranked Georgetown to reach the BE finals where we lost to Nova and we ended up a 6 seed.

Those are big jumps for something that doesnt matter or make a difference.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If UVA and Nova win, it will almost certainly be:

1) UVA - Atlanta
2) Nova - Boston
3) Kansas - Omaha
4) X - LA
5) Duke/UNC - Boston (whoever is 5th can't go to Atlanta)
6) Duke/UNC - Omaha (don't think they'll pair ACC teams but I guess no reason they couldn't)

I think Lunardi and Palm may have an ACC team out West, but I can't figure out why that would happen. Could be missing something there.

Kinda sucks that if Zona is a 4 they'll almost certainly go West and if they make it, have virtual home games. But when no team out West is going to be on the top 3 lines, nothing you can do.

Guy on the Athletic has Zona a 4 seed in the south region. Has Clemson the 4 in West region. Not sure why exactly that is but I'd take that. Has UC as the 2 seed in West.

[XU 23]

UNC just lost. Looks like we got it!

[HenryMuto]

That settles that. Would have been nice to not have to go out West but that is how the chips fell.

Kansas has losses twice to Oklahoma State and once to Washington that's 3 losses to non tourney teams but the power of the Big 12 carries the day and Kansas will get the better site.

[XU 23]

We’ll probably end up in Detroit in the West region, so it’s not all bad. I just hope Arizona doesn’t get put in with us...

[AviatorX]

We’ll probably end up in Detroit in the West region, so it’s not all bad. I just hope Arizona doesn’t get put in with us...

Apparently Xavier has indicated a preference for Nashville, so I think that's a lock. Probably with UT the other anchor school in the pod I guess?

[letskeepitreal]

The last couple of days in Bracketolofy actually looked a little bit easier from the West rather than the Midwest. Longevity in the dance is all about getting hot and matchups. We can beat anyone as long as we do not have those 5-7 minute droughts that we are prone to. We will start in Detroit, Nashville or Pittsburgh so there will be lots of fans

[AviatorX]

Guy on the Athletic has Zona a 4 seed in the south region. Has Clemson the 4 in West region. Not sure why exactly that is but I'd take that. Has UC as the 2 seed in West.

Hmm...maybe because top 4 seeds from the same conference can't be in the same region (HenryMuto just taught me that one haha). Sign me up for that all day. I think the West will end up with the "worst" two seed whether that's UC/Purdue/whoever.

[mohr5150]

Could you imagine the insanity of a final four appearance on the line with UC as our opponent? That would be nuts.

[KabeX]

Great that we're going to be #1 seed for the first time. We need to play every freakin minute like we're an 11 or 12 seed.

[KabeX]

Could you imagine the insanity of a final four appearance on the line with UC as our opponent? That would be nuts.

I'd take that in a NY minute!

[paulxu]

Our first number one seed is something to relish.

It's a shame that more people can't be there to enjoy them in the regionals (and yes, I'm assuming they will be in those).

[KabeX]

Our first number one seed is something to relish.

It's a shame that more people can't be there to enjoy them in the regionals (and yes, I'm assuming they will be in those).

I hear what you're saying Paul. But San Antonio is closer than LA. Just sayin.

[AviatorX]

If what you mean by pairing 2 ACC teams in the same region rules state if a team is a top 4 seed from same conference then they can't be in the same region. So North Carolina and Duke won't be able to be in the same region as Virginia or each other for that matter. Those 3 ACC teams have to be put in 3 separate regions.

If this is true, and Clemson is a 4, they will have to be out West. Assuming Duke/UNC don't get shipped for some random reason I can't think of.

[paulxu]

Jeff Borzello ESPN Staff Writer


The four 1-seeds are almost certainly now set: Virginia, Villanova, Kansas, Xavier.

[xu82]

Jeff Borzello ESPN Staff Writer

Well, 50% from the BE is not too shabby!

[GIMMFD]

I'd take that in a NY minute!

Agreed, I'd love absolutely everything about that.

[OTRMUSKIE]

SUCks is going to be a 3 seed after losing tomorrow. They will give them a 3 in the south. I’m just guessing and I am
Sure I am 100% wrong. SUCks is a total fraud. Make sure you have them losing first game.

[Juice]

SUCks is going to be a 3 seed after losing tomorrow. They will give them a 3 in the south. I’m just guessing and I am
Sure I am 100% wrong. SUCks is a total fraud. Make sure you have them losing first game.

The committee has already said that the American finals mean nothing because the game is played too late in the day.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The committee has already said that the American finals mean nothing because the game is played too late in the day.

They actually said that? Interesting.

[JTG]

According to Andy Katz interview with committee chair last night, the entire field and # 1 seeds were set as of Midnight. Chair said only change to field is if Davidson wins A10 final.

[Xavier]

If this is true, and Clemson is a 4, they will have to be out West. Assuming Duke/UNC don't get shipped for some random reason I can't think of.

I don’t know if these bracketologys look hard at location but a lot of ones I follow had UNC out west as 2 seed. I really feel/felt being out west would avoid UNC/Duke. Maybe not.

[stammina0721]

I don’t know if these bracketologys look hard at location but a lot of ones I follow had UNC out west as 2 seed. I really feel/felt being out west would avoid UNC/Duke. Maybe not.

It doesnt matter anymore. We beat lots of NBA talent last year and can this year. Thing is Tre cant have a 20 minute disappearing act again. If he only plays 20 minutes again we are going to lose earlier than we want