SJ players ALLEGEDLY storm XU locker room

[JTG]

According to a report out of MSG, the BE is looking into a report that St John players tried to bust their way into the X locker room after the scuffle in the handshake line. No other info so far.

[smileyy]

Can we get an "allegedly" in the title?

[XUFan09]

Can we get an "allegedly" in the title?I was thinking that this was such a click-baity headline.

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[JTG]

Why allegedly, are you an attorney ? The report was from Stu Jackson , the asst commish.

[sUCk]

See attached link

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Stu Jackson investigating...

[letskeepitreal]

Is this for real?

[SemajParlor]

It happened, we can remove the allegedly

[LadyMuskie]

Maybe they weren't storming the locker room in a bad, classless way. Maybe they were just excited to bring classy please-forgive-us-for-not-shaking-hands treats. Or maybe they had all signed a classy congrats-on-kicking-our-arses card that they wanted to hand deliver.

[Lloyd Braun]

“Storming” might be a strong word choice. I doubt they bum rushed the door down. Admittedly, I felt a bit uneasy about Kaiser’s three and Sean’s dunk, but that doesn’t warrant a post game locker room meeting.

[nuts4xu]

They hate us cause they AIN'T US!

Eat a bag of dicks Johnnies!

[JTG]

Maybe they weren't storming the locker room in a bad, classless way. Maybe they were just excited to bring classy please-forgive-us-for-not-shaking-hands treats. Or maybe they had all signed a classy congrats-on-kicking-our-arses card that they wanted to hand deliver.

Then everyone got orange slices and drink boxes.

[joe titan]

I could not determine the SJ player who obviously was having words w/ Tyrique Jones in handsahake line; but something else seemed fishy at game's end where CM clearly tells Scruggs "No shot" but then changed his mind with about 6 seconds left and called the play leading to Sean's dunk.

[SkyWalker]

FoxSports.Com reports:

The Big East reviewed tape of the scuffle and security footage to determine if the action spilled into the locker rooms. Big East senior associate commissioner Stu Jackson said he does not plan on taking any disciplinary action.

[paulxu]

CM clearly tells Scruggs "No shot" but then changed his mind with about 6 seconds left and called the play leading to Sean's dunk.

Did he really call that? I thought it just sort of happened as the shot clock came to zero.

[LadyMuskie]

Then everyone got orange slices and drink boxes.

Obviously. It is the classiest way to end a sporting competition.

[LadyMuskie]

I could not determine the SJ player who obviously was having words w/ Tyrique Jones in handsahake line; but something else seemed fishy at game's end where CM clearly tells Scruggs "No shot" but then changed his mind with about 6 seconds left and called the play leading to Sean's dunk.


Did he really call that? I thought it just sort of happened as the shot clock came to zero.

I got the impression that O'Mara took it upon himself to dunk at the end of the game. Mack did not look pleased about that. He glared at O'Mara as he (Mack) walked toward Mullins to shake hands. But, ultimately, who knows. I'm not going to crucify a senior for dunking when he can.

[DexterBailey84]

if you don't wanna get dunked on how about you play some fucking defense?

bunch of whiney bitches

[GIMMFD]

The game was decided what does it matter if he dunked or not, don't like it? Stop it. No reason to warrant a locker room storming because you got blown off basically your own home court.

[xu koop scoop]

Heart the no more shots call from Coach Mack with nearly 30 seconds left. Maybe a St Johns player mouthed off to us with a few seconds left & Sean thought WTF. Since when did baskeball, or any sport, come to "you can't run up the score" - this ain't little league with participation trophies.

[xuwin]

if you don't wanna get dunked on how about you play some fucking defense?

bunch of whiney bitches

Exactly.
Mack had already emptied the bench.
Mack said "no shot" on the last position.
As the shot clock ran down Scruggs bounced it into Sean under the basket and he turned around and dunked it.
Nothing wrong with that.

I'm getting tired of the winning teams getting blamed for poor losers.

[XU 87]

if you don't wanna get dunked on how about you play some fucking defense?

bunch of whiney bitches

so several SJU players wanted to fight after the game was over because O'Mara dunked at the end of the game as the shot clock expired? Really?

I agree. Whiney bitches. Shake hands and move on. Jeez.

P.S. Great game by X today. On to Providence.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Only one way to keep your opponent FROM dunking the ball in garbage time. BEAT THEM!

[stammina0721]

While I agree this ain't participation trophy time I will say a majority of you would be pissed if Nova was up 17 on us on our home floor a few weeks ago and threw down a jam with less than 10 seconds left.

[XU 87]

While I agree this ain't participation trophy time I will say a majority of you would be pissed if Nova was up 17 on us on our home floor a few weeks ago and threw down a jam with less than 10 seconds left.

Maybe, maybe not, particularly if our players didn't bother to guard at the end.

But I know one thing- I would be more pissed if our players tried to fight them after the game was over.

[DexterBailey84]

While I agree this ain't participation trophy time I will say a majority of you would be pissed if Nova was up 17 on us on our home floor a few weeks ago and threw down a jam with less than 10 seconds left.

well of course we would, I don't think anyone would question that ....but me personally, I'd be just as pissed at the X players for letting that shit happen.

don't whine. win.

[XGeN]

I know somebody who works with the team, and he says none of this is true. He did tell me he heard people yelling outside of the locker room, but it turned out to just be the Creighton players getting excited.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Whatever happened, the losing team needs to just take it. That is how it goes in sports. Watch the end of the ASU v Colorado game, Remy Martin is playing hard but the rest of ASU is standing. Wright breaks free and tosses a lob for an end game dunk. Tre holder blasts the dunker for the ejection.


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[SemajParlor]

I know somebody who works with the team, and he says none of this is true. He did tell me he heard people yelling outside of the locker room, but it turned out to just be the Creighton players getting excited.

I raise you and say I may or not know somebody that works for the other team. It appeared to be 1 player. It did happen.

We got a "I know a guy" showdown!

[XGeN]

I raise you and say I may or not know somebody that works for the other team. It appeared to be 1 player. It did happen.

We got a showdown!

Oh man. Inside or outside the locker room? My guy was in the locker room. Maybe on one of the elevators or halls in the bowels of MSG?

[SemajParlor]

Oh man. Inside or outside the locker room? My guy was in the locker room. Maybe on one of the elevators or halls in the bowels of MSG?

All jokes aside, I didn't get much details other than it was 1 player that was out of control obviously upset by our locker room. Didn't press him on it, considering the 28 point loss that just occurred. I'm sure the full story will come out eventually. Lord knows what actually went down.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It was Bashir Ahmed, Guy is a senior and his career is over. Give him a break.


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[SemajParlor]

It was Bashir Ahmed, Guy is a senior and his career is over. Give him a break.



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Yeah, pretty much lol. Objectively, we shouldn't have dunked it in that moment. Oh well, it is what it is. On to tomorrow night.

[scoscox]

While I agree this ain't participation trophy time I will say a majority of you would be pissed if Nova was up 17 on us on our home floor a few weeks ago and threw down a jam with less than 10 seconds left.

Not necessarily the last ten seconds, but Nova definitely was throwing down dunks and shooting threes up big at the end of that game.

[XUBison]

While I agree this ain't participation trophy time I will say a majority of you would be pissed if Nova was up 17 on us on our home floor a few weeks ago and threw down a jam with less than 10 seconds left.

Really? I’m pissed when we get blown out, not when the other team gets a garbage time dunk. I expect it. It happens in almost every blowout, because the loser quits. What are they supposed to do? Throw the ball up in the air? Implement a mercy rule then. WHO CARES!?!?

[xuwin]

While I agree this ain't participation trophy time I will say a majority of you would be pissed if Nova was up 17 on us on our home floor a few weeks ago and threw down a jam with less than 10 seconds left.

Wouldn't bother me a bit. It's meaningless either way.

[Muskie in dayton]

Really? I’m pissed when we get blown out, not when the other team gets a garbage time dunk. I expect it. It happens in almost every blowout, because the loser quits. What are they supposed to do? Throw the ball up in the air? Implement a mercy rule then. WHO CARES!?!?

Amen. If we get blown out and don’t play defense at the end, I HOPE the opponent dunks on us. If you don’t like it, play defense. Pathetic little baby.

[JEHARDI]

I could not determine the SJ player who obviously was having words w/ Tyrique Jones in handsahake line; but something else seemed fishy at game's end where CM clearly tells Scruggs "No shot" but then changed his mind with about 6 seconds left and called the play leading to Sean's dunk.

Went back and watched it a couple times, do not see Mack calling a play and O'mara was just standing on the block and they tossed it to him, not a set play or screen to get him free. Not sure what you were seeing? The Johnnies kept their starters in and continued to press until that last possession, did not need the last dunk but far too much is being made of it.

[xu82]

They kept pressing us, I don’t have a problem with us continuing to score. If they back off, maybe we see more dribble, dribble, dribble at half court. That game was over, and they kept playing so we kept playing.

I have no problem with Sean’s dunk. Not ideal, but what is he supposed to do? Stand under the basket with no defense around and put the ball down on the court then walk away as the shot clock goes off? That would be MORE insulting.

[GIMMFD]

Went back and watched it a couple times, do not see Mack calling a play and O'mara was just standing on the block and they tossed it to him, not a set play or screen to get him free. Not sure what you were seeing? The Johnnies kept their starters in and continued to press until that last possession, did not need the last dunk but far too much is being made of it.

Diddo, I also don't think that's Mack's MO to embarrass someone when up, the man has class, and I just don't see him doing that, the play clock was going to expire, what do you want him to do, take a turnover? It was a meaningless dunk, in a meaningless moment, you lost. Grow from it, work hard in the gym, and prevent it from happening next year.

PS, Twitter is hilarious with the "Xavier has zero class" comments, I'm sure Stricker burst an aneurysm watching ESPN. It's so much better to be hated, really love the feeling of ticking keyboard warriors off.

[XUGRAD80]

They kept pressing us, I don’t have a problem with us continuing to score. If they back off, maybe we see more dribble, dribble, dribble at half court. That game was over, and they kept playing so we kept playing.

I have no problem with Sean’s dunk. Not ideal, but what is he supposed to do? Stand under the basket with no defense around and put the ball down on the court then walk away as the shot clock goes off? That would be MORE insulting.

Exactly. SJU was still playing (poor) defense and at the end of the shot clock Sean finds himself unguarded and standing under the basket with the ball in his hands. Probsbly didn’t even think about it, just went up and dunked. Didn’t beat his chest, glare at the SJ bench, or scream and show of. Just smiled and ran down to the other end of the court. At the time I didn’t give it a 2nd thought.

[bjf123]

If SJU had heard Mack tell Scruggs “No shot”, why would they be playing defense? Everyone is just standing around waiting for the clock to expire.


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[stammina0721]

Don't get me wrong I'm the guy who could care less if a score gets run up. I dont care. What i don't like though is people who say who cares but then get butt hurt when someone does it to them. Thats all I am saying there I was not defending St John's

[RoseyMuskie]

We live in a world where college basketball teams foul and press entirely too long; well after a game is decided.

As long as that’s the reality, I’m all for dunking on opponents. If that reality changes to where the losing team also starts taking the air out of the ball, then I’ll change my stance.

[bleedXblue]

This is fucking crazy. You play until the game is over. There is no OTHER way. GTFU

[XUBison]

If SJU had heard Mack tell Scruggs “No shot”, why would they be playing defense? Everyone is just standing around waiting for the clock to expire.


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Hey, you’re right! We’re the cockiest bunch of front runners ever, from Fr. Graham on down. The Tark the Shark UNLV teams can kiss our assses. Awesome!

[Xville]

My only question is...why the hell is omara out on the court at the end of the game when we are up 20+? It's stupid in my opinion (not that mine matters) but makes a lot more sense to me to not have a starter in...just saying

[Lloyd Braun]

My only question is...why the hell is omara out on the court at the end of the game when we are up 20+? It's stupid in my opinion (not that mine matters) but makes a lot more sense to me to not have a starter in...just saying

He comes off the bench and who else would you put in? I trust Omara to not be inflammatory.

[Caveat]

I find no fault anywhere here. Sean dunked. They got pissed. Tempers flared. No one was hurt.

It’s sports. This happens.

[Xville]

He comes off the bench and who else would you put in? I trust Omara to not be inflammatory.

Sorry had a brainfart there....i dunno...a walk on? Anyone...whats the point in having someone in the rotation out there? Best to get them out to just avoid injury in my opinion. I don't care about the dunk, but possibity of injury and drama is what would have me avoid him being out there in a blow out

[xavierj]

I heard Louisville will no longer approach Chris Mack due post game shenanigans...

[xu82]

I heard Louisville will no longer approach Chris Mack due post game shenanigans...

I am CONVERTED! I am now a pro-shenanigans kinda guy! You could be a “shenanigans missionary”.

[GIMMFD]

I heard Louisville will no longer approach Chris Mack due post game shenanigans...

Brilliant ploy by the underclassmen to get Chris Mack to stay, that's just great IQ there, real team guys, exactly what you want.

[JTG]

Why not have the last 5 guys on the bench? What if Omara or Scruggs twist an ankle ? It's not a sign of weakness to take the air out of the ball up 20 with a minute left. I coached HS kids for 10 yrs. Situations like today lead to end game bullshit when the coach doesn't use his head. More importantly don't let a starter get hurt during meaningless mop up time.

[XUGRAD80]

Why not have the last 5 guys on the bench? What if Omara or Scruggs twist an ankle ? It's not a sign of weakness to take the air out of the ball up 20 with a minute left. I coached HS kids for 10 yrs. Situations like today lead to end game bullshit when the coach doesn't use his head. More importantly don't let a starter get hurt during meaningless mop up time.

It’s up to the opposing coach to teach his players how to react to a loss like this. It’s not up to Mack to make sure they don’t get upset. It’s up to their coach to teach them to play hard all the way to the end. It’s not up to Mack to ease up. It’s up to those players to look themselves in the mirror and get angry with who they are looking at. There is no reason for them to be upset with the opposition. There is plenty of reason for them to be upset with themselves. Stop blaming Mack for the fact that the SJU players involved are poor losers.

[xu82]

Why not have the last 5 guys on the bench? What if Omara or Scruggs twist an ankle ? It's not a sign of weakness to take the air out of the ball up 20 with a minute left. I coached HS kids for 10 yrs. Situations like today lead to end game bullshit when the coach doesn't use his head. More importantly don't let a starter get hurt during meaningless mop up time.

I fully get your point, but they pressed until the last possession. You don’t want to get routed and hold on in the last couple minutes. Bad mojo going forward. Build confidence. I’d hate to see someone get hurt, but it happens. SJU decided how that would play out with their questionable late tactics. We went pretty deep with that last substitution. I’ll trust in Mack.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Why not have the last 5 guys on the bench? What if Omara or Scruggs twist an ankle ? It's not a sign of weakness to take the air out of the ball up 20 with a minute left. I coached HS kids for 10 yrs. Situations like today lead to end game bullshit when the coach doesn't use his head. More importantly don't let a starter get hurt during meaningless mop up time.


I fully get your point, but they pressed until the last possession. You don’t want to get routed and hold on in the last couple minutes. Bad mojo going forward. Build confidence. I’d hate to see someone get hurt, but it happens. SJU decided how that would play out with their questionable late tactics. We went pretty deep with that last substitution. I’ll trust in Mack.

Yes this. You dont put 5 guys in who never play when the other team has all their starters (or close to all) still in. It is up to the losing team to make the substitutions.

[xu82]

Yes this. You dont put 5 guys in who never play when the other team has all their starters (or close to all) still in. It is up to the losing team to make the substitutions.

And still pressing!!!

[UCGRAD4X]

Yes this. You dont put 5 guys in who never play when the other team has all their starters (or close to all) still in. It is up to the losing team to make the substitutions.

Why and says who (I mean besides you)?

[Xavier]

That’s fine and dandy. But if Tre was in with 3 minutes left up 20 and got hurt I’d be pissed that Mack didn’t pull him. Couldn’t care less if opposing team still had starters in or not, season would be over either way.

[xu82]

Why not have the last 5 guys on the bench? What if Omara or Scruggs twist an ankle ? It's not a sign of weakness to take the air out of the ball up 20 with a minute left. I coached HS kids for 10 yrs. Situations like today lead to end game bullshit when the coach doesn't use his head. More importantly don't let a starter get hurt during meaningless mop up time.

I agree that Mullin should have used his head. But he barely uses his mouth, so what are the odds he uses the whole head?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Why and says who (I mean besides you)?

Every coach of every team I have ever seen in the exact same situation. When is the last time you saw Mack or any coach put the last 5 guys on the bench in when the other team had all their starters still in and are pressing?

[xu82]

That’s fine and dandy. But if Tre was in with 3 minutes left up 20 and got hurt I’d be pissed that Mack didn’t pull him. Couldn’t care less if opposing team still had starters in or not, season would be over either way.

Amen! Or JP or some others. We go 3 deep at center, another minute or two to close it out isn’t betting on the lottery to solve your retirement issues.

[UCGRAD4X]

Every coach of every team I have ever seen in the exact same situation. When is the last time you saw Mack or any coach put the last 5 guys on the bench in when the other team had all their starters still in and are pressing?

Fair enough. So how about the why?

[chico]

I am CONVERTED! I am now a pro-shenanigans kinda guy! You could be a “shenanigans missionary”.

That's because our shenanigans are cheeky and fun!

[xu82]

That's because our shenanigans are cheeky and fun!

It helped to know that a post-shenanigans press conference would be a bad idea. Live and learn! We are fun and cheeky kinda guys, for the most part.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Fair enough. So how about the why?

That is a question for the coaches. My guesses are they are competitive and dont want to see their team get embarrassed at any point in the game even when the outcome is decided. Maybe they dont want a bad ending carrying over? Not quite sure, could be other reasons I am not aware of.

[Smails]

I wouldn't touch Chris Mack with a ten foot pole if I was Louisville. His players are out of control and he runs a renegade program that seems to have little to no regard for his opponents. Pass on him..

[Emp]

I find no fault anywhere here. Sean dunked. They got pissed. Tempers flared. No one was hurt.

It’s sports. This happens.

Yes on level of significance. We got a tough game tomorrow.

I thought I saw Mack waive them off as the ball came over half court, and was surprised Sean would dunk with the clock about to expire. That's rubbin their nose in it, and about the only thread of dignity left in a horrible weird season for these players. Why do we do this when there are bigger fish to fry.

I thought the one clear lesson from The Fight was, don't push a stick in the hive at the end of a blowout. I don't like the 'tude at all because it's distracting, and motivational to the next team.

That gangsta thing did not go well the last time. We're really good. Just play and don't get suckered.

[xu82]

Yes on level of significance. We got a tough game tomorrow.

I thought I saw Mack waive them off as the ball came over half court, and was surprised Sean would dunk with the clock about to expire. That's rubbin their nose in it, and about the only thread of dignity left in a horrible weird season for these players. Why do we do this when there are bigger fish to fry.

I thought the one clear lesson from The Fight was, don't push a stick in the hive at the end of a blowout. I don't like the 'tude at all because it's distracting, and motivational to the next team.

That gangsta thing did not go well the last time. We're really good. Just play and don't get suckered.

The shot clock was going off before the game clock, and Sean was standing under the basket with the ball alone since they blew the defense despite pressing on all previous recent possessions. If you want to rub it in, put the ball on the floor and walk away waiting for the shot clock to go off. That might piss them off even more. Is THAT what you’d want? Should he hand SJU the ball? You don’t let the shot clock go off while they are still pressing. THAT is on Mullins.

[LadyMuskie]

Yes on level of significance. We got a tough game tomorrow.

I thought I saw Mack waive them off as the ball came over half court, and was surprised Sean would dunk with the clock about to expire. That's rubbin their nose in it, and about the only thread of dignity left in a horrible weird season for these players. Why do we do this when there are bigger fish to fry.

I thought the one clear lesson from The Fight was, don't push a stick in the hive at the end of a blowout. I don't like the 'tude at all because it's distracting, and motivational to the next team.

That gangsta thing did not go well the last time. We're really good. Just play and don't get suckered.

Or, and I don't think this is earth-shattering, losers should get mentally tough so they're no so easily riled up by, you know, losing. Bashir has a problem. He's a loser who doesn't handle losing well, and now everyone knows just how weak he is. Xavier isn't responsible for their opponents' lack of mental health. The cure for getting zipped up is easy. . .make more buckets than X.

[letskeepitreal]

In contrast Seton Hall was very sportsmanlike after a gut wrenching loss to Butler. They were smiling when in line congratulating Butler on a game when Butler was behind all game and pulled it off in the last minute and ten seconds or so. Delgado and company were really cool about it though I am sure they were disappointed.

[XUBison]

Yes on level of significance. We got a tough game tomorrow.

I thought I saw Mack waive them off as the ball came over half court, and was surprised Sean would dunk with the clock about to expire. That's rubbin their nose in it, and about the only thread of dignity left in a horrible weird season for these players. Why do we do this when there are bigger fish to fry.

I thought the one clear lesson from The Fight was, don't push a stick in the hive at the end of a blowout. I don't like the 'tude at all because it's distracting, and motivational to the next team.

That gangsta thing did not go well the last time. We're really good. Just play and don't get suckered.

I’m sorry, is this a joke?

[GIMMFD]

That's because our shenanigans are cheeky and fun!

His shenanigans are cruel and mean, which doesn't really make them shenanigans at all..

[X-band '01]

I'm going to pistol whip the next poster that mentions shenanigans on here.

[Three Point Pete]

“Storming” might be a strong word choice. I doubt they bum rushed the door down. Admittedly, I felt a bit uneasy about Kaiser’s three and Sean’s dunk, but that doesn’t warrant a post game locker room meeting.Red Storm not "storming" locker room. Really?

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[paulxu]

What I'm failing to see here is "what should have been done" from people who are a little unhappy with the end of the game.

What would have been the more "sportsmanship" like action for the team on the last two shots?

If you hand them the ball instead of shooting the 3, or the dunk, that's really bad I would guess.
Should they miss on purpose? Maybe Sean should just bank it in, but the spur of the moment/under the basket sort of results in a dunk.

Hell, I don't know. Our starters were out. Would people have been butt hurt if a walk on had done either?

So what's the "proper" way to end that game if you think we were not good sports?

[TUclutch]

I coach high school sports. When your team is losing big, you put your subs in. This signals you are being realistic and accepted the outcome. It gets some of your bench guys in for a little PT and allows the winning team to put in their bench as well. That is how you avoid these problems. Mick Cronin made the same mistake back during the brawl game. UC fans asked why Tu was still in. Well, because Mick had his starters in still playing full speed. If you don't wanna get dunked on at the end you have 2 options. Take out your starters/stop pressing or play defense. Pretty simple.

[American X]

What I'm failing to see here is "what should have been done" from people who are a little unhappy with the end of the game.

So what's the "proper" way to end that game if you think we were not good sports?

Sean should have dunked the ball, thrown a SJU cheerleader over his shoulder, roundhoused their strange bird mascot and walked off.

[paulxu]

Sean should have dunked the ball, thrown a SJU cheerleader over his shoulder, roundhoused their strange bird mascot and walked off.

Reading some of the comments, I assumed that's what really did happen.

[Xavier]

I coach high school sports. When your team is losing big, you put your subs in. This signals you are being realistic and accepted the outcome. It gets some of your bench guys in for a little PT and allows the winning team to put in their bench as well. That is how you avoid these problems. Mick Cronin made the same mistake back during the brawl game. UC fans asked why Tu was still in. Well, because Mick had his starters in still playing full speed. If you don't wanna get dunked on at the end you have 2 options. Take out your starters/stop pressing or play defense. Pretty simple.

Again, that unwritten rule could end the season with an injury (or suspensions). Who cares what the other team is doing, simply not worth it. I don’t think that brawl team was ever the same after it. Much better than a 10 seed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I coach high school sports. When your team is losing big, you put your subs in. This signals you are being realistic and accepted the outcome. It gets some of your bench guys in for a little PT and allows the winning team to put in their bench as well. That is how you avoid these problems. Mick Cronin made the same mistake back during the brawl game. UC fans asked why Tu was still in. Well, because Mick had his starters in still playing full speed. If you don't wanna get dunked on at the end you have 2 options. Take out your starters/stop pressing or play defense. Pretty simple.

Yes, exactly.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Again, that unwritten rule could end the season with an injury (or suspensions). Who cares what the other team is doing, simply not worth it. I don’t think that brawl team was ever the same after it. Much better than a 10 seed.

You realize we did go to the Sweet 16 that season right? Obviously we took some losses we wouldnt have because of suspensions but the season ended pretty well.

[Xavier]

You realize we did go to the Sweet 16 that season right? Obviously we took some losses we wouldnt have because of suspensions but the season ended pretty well.

I know, and that’s a solid end to the season no question. The road was easy but I’ll never complain about that. Give me high seeds to a final four and I’m thrilled. I don’t think that team was ever the same after the brawl, though.

[94GRAD]

I'm going to pistol whip the next poster that mentions shenanigans on here.

Hey Farva, What's the name of that place with the good cheese sticks?

[markchal]

You realize we did go to the Sweet 16 that season right? Obviously we took some losses we wouldnt have because of suspensions but the season ended pretty well.

Totally agree team was never the same. Weren't we like top 10 at one point? And then we needed a conf tourney win over Dayton that we almost didn't get just to make the field I think. Definitely should've been a much different season.

[TUclutch]

Again, that unwritten rule could end the season with an injury (or suspensions). Who cares what the other team is doing, simply not worth it. I don’t think that brawl team was ever the same after it. Much better than a 10 seed.

The guys are no more likely to be injured in the end of a game than they are in practice. Sorry, but unless you've coached at a competitive level, you don't really have experience to base your opinion off. If that's your opinion thats fine, but theres a reason most coaches follow the same format

[Xavier]

The guys are no more likely to be injured in the end of a game than they are in practice.

Huh? I’d say if they aren’t playing at the end of the game because of a blow out they are less likely to be injured than they are in practice...

[muskiefan82]

I must be the only who thinks that having a competitor stop playing because my team was getting hammered is more insulting than them dunking on us. I agree with the poster who said the losing team should put their scrubs in and let both teams benches play it out. If you keep your starters in, be prepared to keep playing until the end. Points is points. If I'm all alone under the basket and the other team is still playing then I'm dunking it too. Especially if I'm a senior in Madison Square Garden.

[markchal]

Sorry, but unless you've coached at a competitive level, you don't really have experience to base your opinion off.

Well, if we're gonna limit opinions only to those who have coached at a competitive level, we might as well just go ahead and shut the board down right now.

[Xville]

The guys are no more likely to be injured in the end of a game than they are in practice. Sorry, but unless you've coached at a competitive level, you don't really have experience to base your opinion off. If that's your opinion thats fine, but theres a reason most coaches follow the same format

this is a completely asinine comment. I guess Jay Wright has no clue what he is doing then since he essentially emptied his bench the last minute of the game last night

[muskiefan82]

Isn't it just possible that the St. Johns players were confused since X was in the home locker room as the #1 seed? I think this was all just St. Johns being used to going to that locker room. That's all. :-)

[SteveSpivery]

I have coached too and I think the people saying the losing team must put in their subs first is ridiculous. [This comment does not apply to last night but if the game is in the middle of the season maybe the losing starters need some practice.] If you are forcing them to put in their subs first, it means you are either scared of their starters (against your subs) or want them to kiss your a$$. Maybe if your subs suck, the first excuse is valid. With the superior team, do what you want regardless of what the losing team does including putting in your subs first.

[paulxu]

Since we only have 10 scholarship active players, I'm guessing our "subs" actually were in at the end of the game.
Short of using our walk-ons.
Would putting walk-ons in the game prior to their subs coming in be "disrespectful?"

[xuwin]

My only question is...why the hell is omara out on the court at the end of the game when we are up 20+? It's stupid in my opinion (not that mine matters) but makes a lot more sense to me to not have a starter in...just saying

Kanter and Jones have been the starting centers. O'mara is not a starter.

[Tardy Turtle]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/61/61c4a56de8b8bc8b650bc841e00e145ea3eb11b1e3417617ec fefdab8a61b695.jpg

[xuwin]

That’s fine and dandy. But if Tre was in with 3 minutes left up 20 and got hurt I’d be pissed that Mack didn’t pull him. Couldn’t care less if opposing team still had starters in or not, season would be over either way.

Teams don't pull their starters with 3 minutes left and 20 point leads anymore. Those leads can and do disappear fast with the 3 point shot and intentional fouling.

[xu82]

Sean should have dunked the ball, thrown a SJU cheerleader over his shoulder, roundhoused their strange bird mascot and walked off.

Take two, they’re small.

[muskiefan82]

We've seen several large leads disappear in the last two minutes this year. It happens. NEVER TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE GAS if the other cars are still racing and you haven't crossed the finish line. If you do let off the gas, it better to be to reposition your foot so you can stomp it down harder.

[muskiefan82]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/61/61c4a56de8b8bc8b650bc841e00e145ea3eb11b1e3417617ec fefdab8a61b695.jpg

Uh oh, X-Band is looking for you Tardy.

[xuwin]

this is a completely asinine comment. I guess Jay Wright has no clue what he is doing then since he essentially emptied his bench the last minute of the game last night

Mack also removed his starters in the last minute of the game.

[SM#24]

My understanding is that the coaches have a broad understanding amongst them as to how this should work. I'll have to look a lot closer at how teams do this now, but I had thought that until there's less than 30s left in the game, both sides just played the game. I think handing the ball to the other team is stupid. Taking a shot clock violation intentionally actually prolongs the game vs. a score and quick inbound.
My understanding is that Ahmed and Tyrique had words all the way back to the first half. Every video I've seen to this point is that Ahmed was just being a sore loser and it escalated...but that escalation wasn't really that much. I'm guessing even if we had all the walk-ons in plus Harden, Ahmed still would have started something.

[Xville]

Mack also removed his starters in the last minute of the game.

Except there were guys out there who are in the regular rotation. Wright took almost everyone out that is in the regular rotation

[TUclutch]

Except there were guys out there who are in the regular rotation. Wright took almost everyone out that is in the regular rotation

"Almost everyone" So you're telling me he didn't have everyone who gets normal PT out. So its ok if he had a couple guys still in but Xavier had 5 so it is bad? Im guessing Wright has a couple more guys on his bench than Xavier does seeing as we are 3(?) scholarship players short of the maximum. Why don't you get off Wrights jock. There is nothing wrong at all with leaving guys in if the other team has their guys in. As someone else pointed out, Being up 20 with three minutes to go could easily turn into a single digit game with a couple baskets and fouls. You do not put walkons in unless the other team took their guys out. Why are you so soft?

Edit: Just looked. Xavier did put Harden in at the end. So what is the deal? If we had 2-3 more scholarship guys on the end of the bench, they would have gone in too. We don't have those guys so Mack left the bottom of the rotation in. Nothing wrong with that. Villanova has a rotation of 7 guys. We have a rotation of 9. Thus that is why they have more non rotation guys to put in at the end of a game. Move on

[markchal]

I don't think anyone thinks is really that big of a deal. I agree with those who say we should've taken Tre out a few minutes earlier, but I don't think any serious person would think what happened after the game was Xavier's fault in any way. We certainly would've run the clock out if we had time, we do it routinely, but with the shot clock expiring, I'm fine with us taking another shot.

[GIMMFD]

Again, that unwritten rule could end the season with an injury (or suspensions). Who cares what the other team is doing, simply not worth it. I don’t think that brawl team was ever the same after it. Much better than a 10 seed.

Agreed, but still made it to the Sweet 16. Baylor was just a nightmare of a match up with those monsters inside, and that one guy that shot lights out against us. However, you can't prevent emotions, Ahmed played his last game in a St. John's uniform, was obviously emotional, our guys brushed it off, what's done is done, let's move on to Providence.

[GIMMFD]

Except there were guys out there who are in the regular rotation. Wright took almost everyone out that is in the regular rotation

We have 9 guys in regular rotation, it's kind of hard not to have someone out there who was in rotation, you know?

[Xville]

"Almost everyone" So you're telling me he didn't have everyone who gets normal PT out. So its ok if he had a couple guys still in but Xavier had 5 so it is bad? Im guessing Wright has a couple more guys on his bench than Xavier does seeing as we are 3(?) scholarship players short of the maximum. Why don't you get off Wrights jock. There is nothing wrong at all with leaving guys in if the other team has their guys in. As someone else pointed out, Being up 20 with three minutes to go could easily turn into a single digit game with a couple baskets and fouls. You do not put walkons in unless the other team took their guys out. Why are you so soft?

Edit: Just looked. Xavier did put Harden in at the end. So what is the deal? If we had 2-3 more scholarship guys on the end of the bench, they would have gone in too. We don't have those guys so Mack left the bottom of the rotation in. Nothing wrong with that. Villanova has a rotation of 7 guys. We have a rotation of 9. Thus that is why they have more non rotation guys to put in at the end of a game. Move on


Struck a nerve huh? Some weird comments to make.....is Mack hard because he left in regular rotation guys? There is zero point in leaving in regular rotation guys in the last minute when up 20+...zero point. I'd love to hear one good actual reason for doing so. Instead, you will probably resort to the "I know more than you because I coached competitive basketball"

I don't really give a crap about what transpired at the end of the game. However, to risk injury to a regular rotational player when you don't have to, is silly.

[TUclutch]

We have 9 guys in regular rotation, it's kind of hard not to have someone out there who was in rotation, you know?

No I dont think he does know lol. He hasn't seemed to acknowledge what I posted above about our rotation being 9 guys and Villanova's being 7

[TUclutch]

Struck a nerve huh? Some weird comments to make.....is Mack hard because he left in regular rotation guys? There is zero point in leaving in regular rotation guys in the last minute when up 20+...zero point. I'd love to hear one good actual reason you believe for doing so.

As I said, we don't have non rotation scholarship players like Villanova does. It's easy to put in non rotation players when you only have 7 guys in the normal rotation. We have 9, thus Harden is the only non rotation guy to put in, which Mack did. Just take the loss and move on to another topic buddy.

[Xville]

As I said, we don't have non rotation scholarship players like Villanova does. It's easy to put in non rotation players when you only have 7 guys in the normal rotation. We have 9, thus Harden is the only non rotation guy to put in, which Mack did. Just take the loss and move on to another topic buddy.

why does it have to be a scholarship player? Is that in the rule book of coaching? we have walk-ons along with Harden that can make due in the last minute of a blow-out BUDDY.

[Xavier]

There is nothing wrong at all with leaving guys in if the other team has their guys in. As someone else pointed out, Being up 20 with three minutes to go could easily turn into a single digit game with a couple baskets and fouls. You do not put walkons in unless the other team took their guys out.

How often do teams down 20 start intentionally fouling with 3 minutes left? I’m assuming it has happened a few times but Not sure if I’ve ever seen that. Have you?

[Caf]

I guess Jay Wright has no clue what he is doing then since he essentially emptied his bench the last minute of the game last night

This is such a trash take. The risk of injury from standing around and eating clock is minimal. So is the risk of confrontation, you really think Ahmed would have enjoyed chasing walk-ons chucking 3s up and down the court? You can't run a team based on incredibly unlikely garbage like this.

We get to move on. Ahmed doesn't. So let's move along like our players and coaches did. Nothing to see here.

[Xville]

This is such a trash take. The risk of injury from standing around and eating clock is minimal. So is the risk of confrontation, you really think Ahmed would have enjoyed chasing walk-ons chucking 3s up and down the court? You can't run a team based on incredibly unlikely garbage like this.

We get to move on. Ahmed doesn't. So let's move along like our players and coaches did. Nothing to see here.

I don't care about Ahmed and his actions which I have stated multiple times in this thread. As unlikely as an injury is, it can happen.

[Lloyd Braun]

Phil Booth was in last night until a minute left. I even saw him take (and miss) a shot.

[xu82]

We have 9 guys in regular rotation, it's kind of hard not to have someone out there who was in rotation, you know?

You could argue Sean is a third string guy. Yes, in the rotation, but it’s a deep rotation. I think this whole thing is silly because they were still pressing. That’s on Mullin. We don’t need to put walk-ons in the game against your starters playing full court. Why would we do that? Could Harden have come in a minute or two earlier? Sure, but this is no big deal. Sure someone might get hurt, that’s a minor risk to take to maintain control of the game and keep that mental edge.

I trust Mack to know how to manage our guys in March. I feel better knowing I agreed with how he handled the situation.

[Michigan Muskie]

I don't care about Ahmed and his actions which I have stated multiple times in this thread. As unlikely as an injury is, it can happen.

Mack nearly knocked out Trevon with the business end of the Big East trophy last week. Should our starters no longer participate in celebration ceremonies?
Injuries and accidents can happen anywhere, any time. Bottom line here, people are WAAAAY overthinking what happened. Much ado about nothing, and I sure as hell hope our players aren't harping over it like this.

[xu82]

Mack nearly knocked out Trevon with the business end of the Big East trophy last week. Should our starters no longer participate in celebration ceremonies?
Injuries and accidents can happen anywhere, any time. Bottom line here, people are WAAAAY overthinking what happened. Much ado about nothing, and I sure as hell hope our players aren't harping over it like this.

I suggest protective headgear during all future awards ceremonies!

But what if someone falls off the ladder? Did they place mats on the floor around the ladders?

[XUFan09]

Literally the only way to not have a rotation player on the court at the end would be to play only 4 guys. And letting the shot clock expire is stupid.

Also, as long as the other team is still playing, then Xavier should keep playing too. If they're pressing, they are actually making it harder for Xavier to let the air out of the ball and end the game faster. So, take it to them.

This whole thing is stupid.

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[xu82]

Literally the only way to not have a rotation player on the court at the end would be to play only 4 guys. And letting the shot clock expire is stupid.

Also, as long as the other team is still playing, then Xavier should keep playing too. If they're pressing, they are actually making it harder for Xavier to let the air out of the ball and end the game faster. So, take it to them.

This whole thing is stupid.

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So....you’re anti-power play? Did Sean score too “violently”? Would something more on the dainty side be acceptable?

[XUFan09]

So....you’re anti-power play? Did Sean score too “violently”? Would something more on the dainty side be acceptable?Lol power play in basketball. And yes, I felt assaulted just watching that dunk!

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[GIMMFD]

You could argue Sean is a third string guy. Yes, in the rotation, but it’s a deep rotation. I think this whole thing is silly because they were still pressing. That’s on Mullin. We don’t need to put walk-ons in the game against your starters playing full court. Why would we do that? Could Harden have come in a minute or two earlier? Sure, but this is no big deal. Sure someone might get hurt, that’s a minor risk to take to maintain control of the game and keep that mental edge.

I trust Mack to know how to manage our guys in March. I feel better knowing I agreed with how he handled the situation.

Oh yeah, I'm completely on board with you here, if you're going to press, we're going to play, and it's not like he dunked with 15 seconds left in the shot clock. We were standing around killing clock, he didn't take the turn over. I 100% trust Mack, and I loved his presser at the end. He went to bat for our guys, and that's a good way to keep a locker room. We came out hungry and motivated yesterday and took care of business. I see no problem with what we did.

[Cheesehead]

I have it on good authority that no storming happened but Ahmed was seen outside the X locker room. There is reason the league is not doing anything because not much really happened.

[TUclutch]

why does it have to be a scholarship player? Is that in the rule book of coaching? we have walk-ons along with Harden that can make due in the last minute of a blow-out BUDDY.

Why do you care who is in? And don't give me the injury excuse because thats stupid. If the other team is going to continue to press on defense and score on offense to try to prolong the game with their starters when the game is basically over, then there is nothing wrong with not going to the walkons. there is no coach in the world who would put their walk ons in for that situation

[SemajParlor]

The “well then don’t get dunked on!” crowd with the always interesting way of explaining and analyzing how human emotions work.

[xuwin]

Except there were guys out there who are in the regular rotation. Wright took almost everyone out that is in the regular rotation

Wright only rotates 7 players and Xavier rotates 9 plus Harden if they need a tenth. Xavier only has 3 walkon's and 2 of them are 6'-1" guards. All of Xavier's scholarship players are in their rotation except Harden and he was in at the end of the game.

[xuwin]

I have it on good authority that no storming happened but Ahmed was seen outside the X locker room. There is reason the league is not doing anything because not much really happened.

Could be he was there to apologize. Who knows? I think everybody is making a big deal out of nothing. The situation was handled.

[SemajParlor]

Don’t think it's a big deal or if there's a ton to analyze here. St Johns lost by 30, Xavier was dunking the ball. Words were exchanged. Bashir Ahmed is from the Bronx, New York, shit happens. This is a non story. At the end of the day, who really cares?

[XUFan09]

The “well then don’t get dunked on!” crowd with the always interesting way of explaining and analyzing how human emotions work.It's more just dismissive, because strong emotions about dunking at the end of games are stupid. It's like when people get pissed off at a bat flip when a guy just hit a home run. Get over yourself.

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[XUFan09]

Don’t think it's a big deal or if there's a ton to analyze here. St Johns lost by 30, Xavier was dunking the ball. Words were exchanged. Bashir Ahmed is from the Bronx, New York, shit happens. This is a non story. At the end of the day, who really cares?Yup. The only interesting thing is that Xavier won by almost 30, because it's suggestive of how Xavier is playing when it matters.

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[SemajParlor]

It's more just dismissive, because strong emotions about dunking at the end of games are stupid. It's like when people get pissed off at a bat flip when a guy just hit a home run. Get over yourself.

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I agree completely. It's just that applying how one would personally handle a situation with limited info as a general way for others (ie someone who's career just ended) is equally as stupid.

[XUFan09]

I agree completely. It's just that applying how one would personally handle a situation with limited info as a general way for others (ie someone who's career just ended) is equally as stupid.I don't think Ahmed was really concerned with the dunk at that moment, actually. He said something to Trevon, who wasn't even in the game at the time, and then got into it with Tyrique, with whom he had been chippy earlier in the game

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[paulxu]

I'm imagining this headline in the papers this morning:

"Classless Xavier Embarrasses St John's, by Playing Seldom Used Harden, and 3 Walk-ons, To Close Out Last Minute of Game at MSG With 4 on 5."

You guys need to get over this already.

[BandDad]

Alabama finished a game earlier this year 3 on 5 and almost won, so I think we can get by with Harden, two short walk-on's and a guy from the band!

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Alabama finished a game earlier this year 3 on 5 and almost won, so I think we can get by with Harden, two short walk-on's and a guy from the band!

Had we done that, it would be truly insulting to SJU.

[Emp]

What I'm failing to see here is "what should have been done" from people who are a little unhappy with the end of the game.

What would have been the more "sportsmanship" like action for the team on the last two shots?

If you hand them the ball instead of shooting the 3, or the dunk, that's really bad I would guess.
Should they miss on purpose? Maybe Sean should just bank it in, but the spur of the moment/under the basket sort of results in a dunk.

Hell, I don't know. Our starters were out. Would people have been butt hurt if a walk on had done either?

So what's the "proper" way to end that game if you think we were not good sports?

Let the possession clock run, hand the ball to the ref. It's done all the time. How difficult is that, surely you've seen enough blowouts end to know that's conventional and non confrontational.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Let the possession clock run, hand the ball to the ref. It's done all the time. How difficult is that, surely you've seen enough blowouts end to know that's conventional and non confrontational.

I have never seen a team not shoot when there was still a shot clock going that would end before the game clock. Talk about insulting.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I just went back and watched the end of the game. It was a 15 point game with St. Johns pressing at 3:14 remaining and people are questioning why Trevon was still in? Is this real life?

[SemajParlor]

I have never seen a team not shoot when there was still a shot clock going that would end before the game clock. Talk about insulting.

As someone who stupidly gambles on a lot of games I shouldn't be gambling on... I've seen this happen fairly often.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It quickly went to 21 with 1 Omara foul shot, an Omara dunk and a Tre 3, where then Mack had 3 guys at the scorers table to check in at 2:26 but there was no whistle until (because there had been no whistle) Mack called a timeout with 1:23 left to get subs in.

Again, what are we talking about here?

[D-West & PO-Z]

As someone who stupidly gambles on a lot of games I shouldn't be gambling on... I've seen this happen fairly often.

I watch a lot of basketball, pro and college, and never may have been a strong word, but I can't remember a single instance specifically where I have seen this happen.

[D-West & PO-Z]

We took the game from 15 (and still not out of the question for an unlikely comeback) to 21 points and a done deal in 48 secs where then Mack sent 3 guys to the scorers table where they sat for a minute before Mack called timeout to get them in.

[D-West & PO-Z]

As someone who stupidly gambles on a lot of games I shouldn't be gambling on... I've seen this happen fairly often.

And I am not saying you havent seen it but as my never was too strong I think your fairly often is probably equally strong.

[Smails]

As someone who stupidly gambles on a lot of games I shouldn't be gambling on... I've seen this happen fairly often.

Fairly often??...No way...bullshit. Over the next 3 weeks, there will be plenty of blowouts and tons of basketball. You're telling that I should expect to see teams let the shot clock expire and voluntarily turn the ball over? I don't see it happening. If anything, we're used to seeing a late shot clock bank shot to blow a spread versus a turnover.

[SemajParlor]

And I am not saying you havent seen it but as my never was too strong I think your fairly often is probably equally strong.

Yeah probably. If we're being honest I really don't care I'm just killing time before the game lol

[Smails]

Let the possession clock run, hand the ball to the ref. It's done all the time. How difficult is that, surely you've seen enough blowouts end to know that's conventional and non confrontational.

Get-off-my-lawn

It's not like St. Johns was sitting back in a 2-3 for the last 3 minutes. They were still pressing, trapping and guarding in the half court.

[SemajParlor]

Fairly often??...No way...bullshit. Over the next 3 weeks, there will be plenty of blowouts and tons of basketball. You're telling that I should expect to see teams let the shot clock expire and voluntarily turn the ball over? I don't see it happening. If anything, we're used to seeing a late shot clock bank shot to blow a spread versus a turnover.

I'll concede. Fairly often was too strong. I have seen it though. It's not a big deal either way

[paulxu]

I saw a game the other day where one team was up 4 pts, with 0.9 seconds on the clock....and lost. (and there was no OT)

[SemajParlor]

And I saw one yesterday which led to players trying to fight the other team after the game. What's the point?

[SemajParlor]

Alright I don't think anyone really cares about this, do they? Game time! Let's go X

[xu82]

Get-off-my-lawn

It's not like St. Johns was sitting back in a 2-3 for the last 3 minutes. They were still pressing, trapping and guarding in the half court.

Amen! SJU created this. It’s on YOU, Mullin. You keep playing, we keep playing. Duh.

[xu82]

I'll concede. Fairly often was too strong. I have seen it though. It's not a big deal either way

No, it’s not a big deal. Almost game time! THAT is a BIG DEAL!

[xu82]

I saw a game the other day where one team was up 4 pts, with 0.9 seconds on the clock....and lost. (and there was no OT)

OUCH! Somebody is kicking themselves!

[Nigel Tufnel]

For some comedy relief...I went to their site because I was bored and thought I’d check out their thoughts on UC’s game today. Found this gem...

http://csnbbs.com/thread-844944.html

Do they have any idea how petty and petulant they sound? Good Lord. This surprised me even for those mouth breathers.

[XUFan09]

And I saw one yesterday which led to players trying to fight the other team after the game. What's the point?And like I said before, I don't think that was about the dunk. It looked like it was about Ahmed getting upset at losing, as he got into things with multiple players not named Sean O'Mara.

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[Irishjohn68]

For some comedy relief...I went to their site because I was bored and thought I’d check out their thoughts on UC’s game today. Found this gem...

http://csnbbs.com/thread-844944.html

Do they have any idea how petty and petulant they sound? Good Lord. This surprised me even for those mouth breathers.

What else would you expect from such a classy fan base like UC? Man I hate that school and there jackass fans. Remember you can't spell SUCKS without UC!

[SM#24]

For all those using Jay Wright as example, what about Divincenzo’s dunk and celebration with 10s left and up 8 where PC had clearly backed off ?
Yet, no handshake line problems.
This was all on Ahmed.

[XUGRAD80]

For all those using Jay Wright as example, what about Divincenzo’s dunk and celebration with 10s left and up 8 where PC had clearly backed off ?
Yet, no handshake line problems.
This was all on Ahmed.

I heard something about the SJU players protesting Villanova outside MSG.....but I’m pretty sure it’s just a rumor.