Don't look now!!!

[stammina0721]

St. John's is now 64 in the RPI. If they win out the regular season and get to 7-11 That would mean wins against another top 25 rpi team and multiple top 50 teams. Do they enter the at large conversation at that point? Your probably talking a team that had an rpi in the low 40's with 2 top 5 wins, on a 7 game winning streak and one of the best players in America? Not saying they make it but they have to be considered right?

[XU '11]

According to RPI Forecast:

Finish 4-0, projected RPI is 47.1 going into the BE tourney.
Finish 3-1, projected RPI is 56.7 going into the BE tourney.

I think they have two paths to get an at large:

a) win their next five games (@Marquette, SHU, Butler, @PC, BET 7/10 game)
b) win 3 out of their next four, win the BET opening round game AND beat X/Nova in round two

[STL_XUfan]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/St.%20John's.html

So RPI forecast has their ceiling in the 40s and their floor around 90. I think it if you are 17-13 with the wins that St. John's has and the lack of bad losses (only 3 bad losses, GT x2 and Depaul), you could be in the conversation. I don't think they make it, but who knows how bad the bubble will get between now and then.

Edit: I bow to XU11 beating me to the post.

[X-band '01]

It might be a 50/50 scenario for them to get in under the scenario that XU11 laid out.

At the very least, I would not be a fan of the Johnnies if I were a fan of a bubble team this year. Providence, for example, is on the good side of the bubble right now, but by no means are they locked in yet. Even Butler and Seton Hall really need 1 or 2 more decent wins apiece to feel safe at the moment.

If the Johnnies end up winning at Marquette, people would be salivating a matchup with Marquette (especially if Georgetown leapfrogs Marquette in the standings) in New York given that their season has taken a turn in the wrong direction.

[OTRMUSKIE]

ST John’s will need to win out and win 2 in the tournament. If they win the whole thing they be 20-13 31/3
Lost 1 in the finals and they be 19-14 41/4
Lose 2 and they will be 18-14 50/4

Personally thy need to win out and make the finals at least to get a bid and
Even then it might not be enough.

[XMuskieFTW]

If they can finish 6-1 they'll definitely be in. 5-1 very likely in. 5-2 and they have a chance with how strong their schedule is, positive momentum, especially if they knock us or Nova off in BE tourney.

[XU 87]

I find it very, very unlikely that SJU wins out in the regular season. They have at Marquette, Seton Hall, Butler and at Providence.

[X-band '01]

But nothing is impossible this year.

[GoMuskies]

I find it very, very unlikely that SJU wins out in the regular season. They have at Marquette, Seton Hall, Butler and at Providence.

I hear ya, but they're halfway there, and the last four is the "easy" half.

[Masterofreality]

They're certainly making an NIT case, in any event.

[GIMMFD]

The only think that would suck is that the non-college basketball universe that would watch that would think Chris Mullin is a good coach.

[Emp]

The only think that would suck is that the non-college basketball universe that would watch that would think Chris Mullin is a good coach.

I don't agree. A team that has lost 11 straight league games, many of them close, should be very hard to motivate. And yet.

Being a good coach isn't just Xs and 0s. It's also about finding and then motivating athletes to play a style the coach wants, and /or finding a style of play that suits the talents that the coach has recruited. We're a top 5 team with a great coach, and yet Mullins coached St Johns has given us all we can handle.

Denigrating Mullins as "not a good coach" ad nauseam doesn't fit the facts.

[stammina0721]

Leads me to my next question. I think Mullen was out. Did this surge save his job?

[paulxu]

Fans are fickle. They were calling for his head. Now he's one up on sliced bread.

[GoMuskies]

Leads me to my next question. I think Mullen was out. Did this surge save his job?

He was never going to be out this year.

[XUFan09]

He was never going to be out this year.Correct.

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[HenryMuto]

If X is a 1 and SJ is an 8/9 that would be one hell of a tough quarterfinals game

[GIMMFD]

I don't agree. A team that has lost 11 straight league games, many of them close, should be very hard to motivate. And yet.

Being a good coach isn't just Xs and 0s. It's also about finding and then motivating athletes to play a style the coach wants, and /or finding a style of play that suits the talents that the coach has recruited. We're a top 5 team with a great coach, and yet Mullins coached St Johns has given us all we can handle.

Denigrating Mullins as "not a good coach" ad nauseam doesn't fit the facts.

I completely agree it's about more than Xs and Os, don't get me wrong, however when you watch a St. Johns time out it doesn't look like Mullin is doing much of anything and leaving his assistants to that part anyways. If he's the one behind the motivation good for him, but many could argue it's the fact that Ponds is channeling his inner Kemba Walker and willing these guys to victories. I'm leaning more towards the Mullin isn't a good coach narrative, granted I have no idea what goes on at a St. John's practice, so it's unfair to make that assumption.

Maybe he's not the vocal type, maybe that's not his style. But I would also argue that St. John's should have NEVER been 0-11 in the first place, they have a lot of good talent, granted in the form of "street ballers", but I wouldn't have ever expected them to be THAT bad in conference.

[stammina0721]

I can definitely see that argument. St. John's should not have ever been 0-11

[xu82]

I can definitely see that argument. St. John's should not have ever been 0-11



But then they beat #4 Duke and the world was good again!

[Snipe]

They lost Marcus Lovett the soph putting in 15 a game. You put him on that team and they would have had a great shot at dancing and making waves.

[XU 87]

Denigrating Mullins as "not a good coach" ad nauseam doesn't fit the facts.

At a minimum, a good coach should be in charge of, and lead, his team. Having your assistant run your timeouts is not leading your team.

[xavierj]

At a minimum, a good coach should be in charge of, and lead, his team. Having your assistant run your timeouts is not leading your team.

I don’t know. Bob Huggins let’s his assistants run timeouts all of the time. He has won a few games.

[GoMuskies]

Steve Kerr had his players running the huddle during timeouts.

[xu82]

Steve Kerr had his players running the huddle during timeouts.

And HE wins NBA titles! Maybe WE should put the fans in charge of the huddle? No telling where THAT could take us.


Dana’s is one possibility.

[STL_XUfan]

And HE wins NBA titles! Maybe WE should put the fans in charge of the huddle? No telling where THAT could take us.


Dana’s is one possibility.
All players would make their free throw and always follow their shots, at least based on the people sitting near me.

[XUFan09]

All players would make their free throw and always follow their shots, at least based on the people sitting near me."Follow your shot!"
Player does, opening the team up to a fast break the other way.
"God, play defense!"

I'm guessing something like that would be par for the course.

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[bjf123]

"Follow your shot!"
Player does, opening the team up to a fast break the other way.
"God, play defense!"

I'm guessing something like that would be par for the course.

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Sounds about right.


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[GIMMFD]

Steve Kerr had his players running the huddle during timeouts.

To be honest, I thought that was hilarious, Kerr let Draymond Green draw up plays, just the ultimate "whatever, none of this matters until play-offs" move there.