Xavier vs. Villanova Game Thread (February 17, 2018)

[American X]

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#4 Xavier Musketeers (24-3, 12-2) vs. #3 Villanova Generic Mascots (23-3, 10-3)

Time: 4:30 p.m. ET

Cintas Center | Cincinnati, Ohio

TV: FOX National (live post-game show on FOX 19 in Cincinnati)

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[GoMuskies]

Is this real life?

[boozehound]

This is going to be awesome. We had better bring our A game. I was in the house last time we beat Nova 2 years ago, and it was one of the best Cintas experiences in memory. This would top it.

[xudash]

This is going to be awesome. We had better bring our A game. I was in the house last time we beat Nova 2 years ago, and it was one of the best Cintas experiences in memory. This would top it.

We are going to be in the house this Saturday and we definitely are hoping to have the same experience as you did then!

[Lloyd Braun]

Prediction on spread for the game? I will guess Nova -1, O/U 165.

[94GRAD]

Prediction on spread for the game? I will guess Nova -1, O/U 165.

No way Villanova is favored but I do like you're O/U. X -2.5 O/U 165

[GoMuskies]

X -1.5 o/u 375

[94GRAD]

X -1.5 o/u 375

How much can I put on you're O/U?

[bleedXblue]

yep we will be favored

[GoMuskies]

How much can I put on you're O/U?

Did I not set it high enough?

[GetUp5]

Was REALLY hoping Nova would win last night so there would have been a chance they'd be favored. Whatever, will still be on the Muskies big time.

[xu82]

Is this real life?

This is a dream.




In real life.

[Lloyd Braun]

I guess I’m alone in thinking Nova will open as a slight favorite? Oddsmakers tend to lean towards Kenpom when in doubt... I wouldn’t be surprised if X were favored by any means, but I don’t think Nova losing last night changes swings the line 3+ points and to X.
Either way the anticipation is high! Exciting times indeed...

[XU '11]

Probably a long shot, but any X fans going to be watching the game in downtown Salt Lake City?

[markchal]

The win two years ago over Nova was definitely my favorite Cintas experience. Unbelievable crowd. Saturday should top it (kills me I'm missing it for work).

[D-West & PO-Z]

I guess I’m alone in thinking Nova will open as a slight favorite? Oddsmakers tend to lean towards Kenpom when in doubt... I wouldn’t be surprised if X were favored by any means, but I don’t think Nova losing last night changes swings the line 3+ points and to X.
Either way the anticipation is high! Exciting times indeed...

Home court is so big it seems in college basketball (not sure the total points) and we are undefeated at home and Nova has injuries still. No way they are favored. I dont think their loss to Providence has anything to do with it either, even with a win there I dont think they would be favored.

I say X -2

[Nigel Tufnel]

I have been gambling a long time...I have no idea what the line is going to be. Pick em wouldn’t surprise....literally no idea. Wouldn’t surprise me if X is favored by a point or two. Wouldn’t surprise me if Nova is favored a point or two. If Nova comes out favored, Vegas likes Nova.

[Juice]

Home court is so big it seems in college basketball (not sure the total points) and we are undefeated at home and Nova has injuries still. No way they are favored. I dont think their loss to Providence has anything to do with it either, even with a win there I dont think they would be favored.

I say X -2

I think Paschall is back Saturday and I think I saw X -1.5 but I'm sure subject to change.

[bjf123]

I think Paschall is back Saturday and I think I saw X -1.5 but I'm sure subject to change.

He played 28 minutes against Providence, so I’f expect him to play.


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[Lloyd Braun]

Most advanced metrics sites (FWIW) have nova winning/favored. I’m not saying they are correct by any means but it’s not common for BPI, Kenpom, RPI predictors to have a predicted outcome and Vegas go the opposite way for the opening line. People use these sites to place money which is all Vegas cares about... not creating a line that is going to be completely tilted.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Most advanced metrics sites (FWIW) have nova winning/favored. I’m not saying they are correct by any means but it’s not common for BPI, Kenpom, RPI predictors to have a predicted outcome and Vegas go the opposite way for the opening line. People use these sites to place money which is all Vegas cares about... not creating a line that is going to be completely tilted.

Just out of curiosity did those sites have Creighton and Butler favored in both games against us as well? We were dogs in both road games last week.

[letskeepitreal]

Can’t win with these guys. Underdogs on last two road games and still underdogs at home?

[Lloyd Braun]

Just out of curiosity did those sites have Creighton and Butler favored in both games against us as well? We were dogs in both road games last week.

Yes.... further I have yet to see a game line than was more than 3 points from a Kenpom prediction. Currently Kenpom says Nova by 2.

[Lloyd Braun]

Can’t win with these guys. Underdogs on last two road games and still underdogs at home?

Don’t you know... they are one of the luckiest teams in the country!

[GoMuskies]

Can’t win with these guys. Underdogs on last two road games and still underdogs at home?

We don't win by enough to get much love from advanced analytics.

It's not a simple as running a KenPom or Sagarin predictor comparison, though. The books have their own proprietary stuff, and they surely have to account for injuries, recent play, etc. I think it points to Xavier as a narrow favorite or maybe 'pick.

[GIMMFD]

If Q and Scruggs continue with the way they have been playing the past couple games, and can neutralize Brunson a bit, I feel pretty damn good about our chances. Especially if Tre shoots like he did against Seton Hall, it's no surprise how much he loves the friendly confines of Cintas, nervous as hell for this one, but if we win, we SHOULD win the Big East out right, and that would be something special.

[xu82]

If Q and Scruggs continue with the way they have been playing the past couple games, and can neutralize Brunson a bit, I feel pretty damn good about our chances. Especially if Tre shoots like he did against Seton Hall, it's no surprise how much he loves the friendly confines of Cintas, nervous as hell for this one, but if we win, we SHOULD win the Big East out right, and that would be something special.

It’s our anniversary tomorrow (TODAY!), and we have a number of event options for the weekend. I keep reminding my bride that Saturday at 4:30 is not negotiable. She’s known that type of thing for 33 years now. Smart lady! We’ll work around this game.

[Xuperman]

Would be really nice to hold them to under 80 points. That along with keeping their 3 point attempts/% below average. I think our guys will beat them on the boards and score 80+ on them. Sounds like a good recipe for some home cookin'.....Anyone heard anything on Booth's hand injury?

[Lloyd Braun]

Looking back, it appears Villanova hasn’t lost 2 in a row since the 2012-2013 season. I’d say the new conference alignment has worked out well for them.

[paulxu]

We don't win by enough to get much love from advanced analytics.

It's not a simple as running a KenPom or Sagarin predictor comparison, though. The books have their own proprietary stuff, and they surely have to account for injuries, recent play, etc. I think it points to Xavier as a narrow favorite or maybe 'pick.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/93/9a/a9/939aa900f723c8de33a7e206532f0ee8.jpg

[Lamont Sanford]

I have heard that Booth is out until end of February with the broken hand.

[American X]

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[UCGRAD4X]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/93/9a/a9/939aa900f723c8de33a7e206532f0ee8.jpg

My favorite would be either one of the chicks.

I mean, Bruce is a good looking guy and all, if you're into that sort of thing...not that there is anything wrong with that...

[X-band '01]

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One of the former Bad Boys will be in the house - Rick Mahorn will be part of the national radio crew.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Sportsinsights has opening line of Nova -1.

[GoMuskies]

Sportsinsights has opening line of Nova -1.

Perfect. We'll keep sneaking up on Vegas!

[Nigel Tufnel]

Perfect. We'll keep sneaking up on Vegas!

And you will get + odds on your ML bet.

[Lloyd Braun]

Sportsinsights has opening line of Nova -1.

I’m sorry that’s impossible. I was told there’s no way Nova would be favored! (Squinty eyed tongue out emoji)

[GoMuskies]

And you will get + odds on your ML bet.

Maybe +105 or +110. For a 1 point line there may not even be a ML.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Maybe +105 or +110. For a 1 point line there may not even be a ML.

Still better than having to choke down -225....hehe.

[GoMuskies]

Still better than having to choke down -225....hehe.

Fair enough. Of course, much better chance of losing the money instead of winning it, too!

I definitely enjoyed that ML action at Butler and Creighton, though!

[Nigel Tufnel]

Can’t win with these guys. Underdogs on last two road games and still underdogs at home?

X has kicked Vegas in the balls the past three games. X was a pretty high percentage dog in both road games. Which means public backed X heavy...X covered. Public was on X against SH at a clip of about 81%. X covered. Vegas can get it wrong sometimes.

[QueensbridgeMF]

Game got a segment on Around the Horn.

[X-band '01]

Running Man jerseys making an appearance tomorrow.

[JTG]

running man jerseys making an appearance tomorrow.

why....
???

[X-band '01]

Why not?

[GIMMFD]

Running Man jerseys making an appearance tomorrow.

Hell yes, love it, big time show case of a game, and we're going to look extra crispy. Let's hope the undefeated record stays in them ;)

[xu82]

Hell yes, love it, big time show case of a game, and we're going to look extra crispy. Let's hope the undefeated record stays in them ;)

Extra crispy? Like a good chicken wing? YUM!

[JimCoker]

I recall the Enquirer, on the day of the Xavier-Ohio State NIT game in 1984, picked X to win, using the reasoning that "Ohio State wanted to win, Xavier had to win." That game was a benchmark in Xavier's ascension; this game has that same feel.

[HenryMuto]

Not sure why Nova is favored considering they lost 2 of their last 3 games and is down a starter vs a red hot team in X at X..........

Makes no sense.

X is going to lay some wood tomorrow.

[GIMMFD]

Extra crispy? Like a good chicken wing? YUM!

Umm yes, you need to keep up with youth lingo! Mean's we're going to look extra "cool" hahaha..

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’m sorry that’s impossible. I was told there’s no way Nova would be favored! (Squinty eyed tongue out emoji)

I am an idiot, thats what I get for speaking in absolutes! I am surprised though.

[waggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCJvCNjBf7o

[waggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRMNBQgD9Vc

[Lloyd Braun]

I am an idiot, thats what I get for speaking in absolutes! I am surprised though.

I am an idiot when it comes to the actual betting portion which is what really matters. Wish I could bet on what the lines will be!

[American X]

GAMEDAY!


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[X-ceptional]

How the hell am I supposed to wait until 4:30?

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

XU goes nine deep today.

With injuries, what is the practical length of Villanova ‘s bench.

Enlighten me.


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[X-band '01]

Villanova's dominance of the Big East - We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9AbeALNVkk

[bleedXblue]

XU goes nine deep today.

With injuries, what is the practical length of Villanova ‘s bench.

Enlighten me.


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They have some frosh that have been playing.......

[GIMMFD]

X by 90

[HenryMuto]

I'm all in

[UCGRAD4X]

I'm all in

I'll definitely be bringing the noise today! :crazy:

[HenryMuto]

All 4 of them on Game Day picked X to beat Nova and Rece Davis picked X to make the Final Four.

[HenryMuto]

I still can't believe X is a home dog today considering they have not lost at home all year and Nova is without Booth and lost 2 of their last 3 games. That is insane to me. Obviously Nova can win the game but to be favored and it went up from 1 to 1.5 I mean WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a game X must win has to win MUST win this game did I mention is a MUST WIN. This is a got to have it game vs the team that won by 150 earlier this year over X and has beat X like 8 out of the last 9 times or whatever it is.

MUST WIN THIS GAME.

It's only Noon and I am already getting emotional thinking about how bad I want X to win this game.

I will be probably emotionally spent before this game though with Kentucky playing at 2 PM in a must win game for Kentucky against Alabama as we fight for our lives to just make the tournament so ya pretty big day for my teams then top it off with Ohio State at hated team up North tomorrow.

Big freaking weekend.

[Xuperman]

Jalen is gonna be Jalen no matter what, but if Spellman starts hitting a bunch of 3's and DiVencenzio plays like James Hardin, Xuperman will not be able to contain the profanity!!

[UCGRAD4X]

I still can't believe X is a home dog today considering they have not lost at home all year and Nova is without Booth and lost 2 of their last 3 games. That is insane to me. Obviously Nova can win the game but to be favored and it went up from 1 to 1.5 I mean WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you add in not only the recent dominance Villanova has shown over Xavier, but the degree and fashion in which they have done so, I'm almost surprised it isn't more.

THAT ALL ENDS TODAY!!!

[Xavier]

This is a game X must win has to win MUST win this game did I mention is a MUST WIN.



Huh? No it isnt.

[atljar]

Huh? No it isnt.

Must win for making the tourney, or qualifying this as a great season? No way

However, for this program to prove what we all want it to prove, and in the big picture, to be where we all want it to be... Today is a must win. I might further add, none of this BS 1-4 point win. We need a 10+pt win. A motherF'n statement happens today at 430.

[GIMMFD]

Well, I just checked my Snapchat (Snap Face for all you older folk), and I still have some undergrad friends at Xavier, and they've trashed through copious amounts of alcohol, Cintas is going to be freaking rocking this afternoon. Really pumped. THREE AND A HALF MORE HOURS LETS RIDE!!

[markchal]

If not now, then when? This is our year to finally claim a BE title (I say finally like we've been deprived for 20+ years, but I'm tired of Nova always winning it).

[KabeX]

And I just pulled the trigger on a couple of last min SROs. Pricey but I want to be there with my son to witness history. It worked 2 years ago. Here's hoping for the same outcome today. Go X!

[xavierj]

Anyone know who is doing the game? Hopefully not Elmore that would ruin it.

[Lloyd Braun]

Anyone know who is doing the game? Hopefully not Elmore that would ruin it.

It’s Elmore.

[X-band '01]

Joe Davis and Len Elmore PxP; Holly Sonders on the sidelines.

[Lloyd Braun]

Yea if there were ever a game for their A team this is it. Maximize league exposure that they have so much invested

[paulxu]

Muskies. Now is the time. Today is the day.

Let's do this thing! Get some.

[HenryMuto]

Ok Kentucky won the under card now for the main event!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kellernr]

One thing that annoys me with today's players is that they all refuse to use the backboard. Both Kanter and Marshall would have had their 3 foot shots drop if they kiss it off the glass.

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[HenryMuto]

One thing that annoys me with today's players is that they all refuse to use the backboard. Both Kanter and Marshall would have had their 3 foot shots drop if they kiss it off the glass.

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Agree

[Xuperman]

Jalen is gonna be Jalen no matter what, but if Spellman starts hitting a bunch of 3's and DiVencenzio plays like James Hardin, Xuperman will not be able to contain the profanity!!

Right on cue!....if Gillespie gets it going, I am gonna use up all of them, then make up some NEW curse words!!!

[X Factor]

Kaiser has to develop more than a jumpshot

[SemajParlor]

Len Elmore has already made 4-5 bad points.

[X Factor]

Need Naji in there. Gates gives us nothing.

[SemajParlor]

Need Naji in there. Gates gives us nothing.

That's not true.


http://www.dribblehandoff.com/stories/xaviers-defense-gates-clutch-scoring

[kellernr]

He should of passed up that 1st 3 and kicked it to JP who was wide open and was hot from 3

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[X Factor]

That's not true.

Naji is playing way better. Gates is a 6'8 spot up jump shooter who's 3 for his last 25 from three.

[kellernr]

Trevon is fucking terriefied out there.

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[X Factor]

C'mon Tre!!

[SemajParlor]

Trevon is fucking terriefied out there.

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?

[X Factor]

Some things never change

[paulxu]

This is depressing. Would like for Naji to not force 1 on 4 in the paint.

[Blue Blooded-05]

3 point shooting:
V 7/11
X 2/8

The stats look like this every damn game vs Villanova

[kellernr]

?Hes rushing everything and cant hang on to the ball. 2 rebounds right to him. First obe he drops and a scramble led to a X jump ball. 2nd one he gets the rebound and fires it to the cheerleaders

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[X Factor]

Good game boys. Same result every time.

[HenryMuto]

WTF Nova shooting out of their mind right now where is the Nova that shot like crap vs Providence

[HenryMuto]

Good game boys. Same result every time.

I don't see no fat lady

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Nova is killing us with 3s. Tre has to get hot quick.

[HenryMuto]

10 fawking 3s in the 1st half unreal

[X Factor]

10 fawking 3s in the 1st half unreal

Nova could play their walk ons against X and they'd light us up.

[HenryMuto]

It's not even bad D they are just shooting outside their minds right now.

Pisses me off but we are still winning this game.

I'm shoving my chips to the middle of the table.

X is winning this game you want in your in you want out your out.

[whopper]

There should be a reversion to the norm soon (still 40%) Now 10 for 15 on 3's which means if they hake 15 more they should only hit 2. I dont think we are playing that bad.

[X Factor]

There should be a reversion to the norm soon (still 40%) Now 10 for 15 on 3's which means if they hake 15 more they should only hit 2. I dont think we are playing that bad.

Why? This is the same thing vs Nova every time.

[X Factor]

Paschall vs Tre is a complete mismatch

[X Factor]

They make it look so easy against X

[mistabeecee41]

Our defense has given up 116 points in the last 2 halves

[Xuperman]

WTF Nova shooting out of their mind right now where is the Nova that shot like crap vs Providence

Oh Henry, you silly fool....we are not IN Providence......what did Pedro Martinez say about the Yankees?

[whopper]

maybe reverting to the mean? If they keep shooting like this we can't win but I will take a 14 point deficit now. We really are not playing that bad.

[X Factor]

maybe reverting to the mean? If they keep shooting like this we can't win but I will take a 14 point deficit now. We really are not playing that bad.

You keep forgetting Nova is 9-1 vs X in the BE with an average margin of victory of 24 points.

[XUBob]

I hate to be Debbie Downer but truthfully is anyone surprised. I think X is a very good team but for some reason Nova owns us. The lose to Butler, Providence, & St, John’s, and play like the Warriors against us. I think most of the problem is mental and I don’t know how you can fix it. There is always a critical juncture when the game is close , one or two things go wrong and we seem to fold. Happens time and time again. I still support this team not upset or surprised by what I am seeing. The truth is Nove owns us right now.

[GoMuskies]

Nova is our daddy.

[Emp]

I do not like the smell of this glove. Any team that has a season best half shooting is going to lead any game vs us

20 minutes, play hard, rebound. it could be epic.

[letskeepitreal]

Still another half to go and we just have to get one stop at a time, pound it inside. Can’t get it back all in one shot. Go X!

[X Factor]

X has given up 160 points in the last 2 halves. That aint' gonna cut it. This team is not good defensively. Defensive efficiency will be in the 70's after today and that won't get a team very far in the postseason.

Nova shoots 24% from three in their previous 3 games, but makes 11 threes' in the first half against X.

[American X]

We are not losing at home when J.P. Macura drills two 3s to start the game. We got this.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You knew they would hit their threes, but I didn’t see us going Cold.


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[X Factor]

We are not losing at home when J.P. Macura drills two 3s to start the game. We got this.

Sorry, we can't stop Nova. Paschall can score at will against Trevon. We are always scrambling and Nova gets great looks.

[whopper]

not a bad last 2 minutes..14 is better than it could have been and maybe pascal miss is an omen. Jim Jackson just mentioned how the fear of an offensive foul cause Naj and Karem to miss makable shots. I dont see how you run them off the 3 point line easily as they all can drive and pass. Frustrating but lets see what happens

[stammina0721]

This is stupid... they don't hit 3's at this clip in the NBA all star game. Xavier is officially Dayton in the Big East. X is going to make a run and make it a six point game. Question becomes... do we get a stop or not. If we do we win... when that happens if Nova scores we lose. It's as simple as that

[stammina0721]

Last twp halves we have given up 65 amd 51... great job defense

[XUBison]

Looks like our only hope to take out Nova in the future is if they get butt pounded by the FBI scandal.

[Emp]

What’s with empty seats at half court. That’s unbelievable vvWTF

[Blue Blooded-05]

This is stupid... they don't hit 3's at this clip in the NBA all star game. Xavier is officially Dayton in the Big East. X is going to make a run and make it a six point game. Question becomes... do we get a stop or not. If we do we win... when that happens if Nova scores we lose. It's as simple as that

Nova script is always the same:
- They jump out to a huge 1st half lead
- We claw our way back to get it within a respectable distance in the 2nd half
- They promptly hit a 3
- We get deflated and the lead jumps out to double digits again

[kellernr]

What’s with empty seats at half court. That’s unbelievable vvWTFOld people afraid of snow

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[X-band '01]

Slowly but surely the fouls are piling up for Nova. 4 on Paschall is huge.

[stammina0721]

Well at 6 pts we got the stop. Let's see now

[Blue Blooded-05]

We are winning this.

Amen brotha! C’mon boyz!!

[X-band '01]

A double T and Scruggs gets inadvertently slapped in the face by the official.

[X Factor]

C'mon boys!! Bring it!

[Emp]

Plenty of time. I like our chances.

[X Factor]

Kaiser...

[HenryMuto]

WTF this was down to 3 and now 10 god damn it

[HenryMuto]

Get some freaking stops for god sakes and we can win this game

[X Factor]

Yep, get some stops and X can win

[XUBison]

Time to break out our secret weapon... Defense!

[kellernr]

If gates stays on the bench we win this game.

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[HenryMuto]

Bridges has 4 fouls get him out of the game

[stammina0721]

Kaiser gates has become the most useless player on this team. Guy is 6'9" and 83% of his shots come from 3 pt land. What a waste of height

[whopper]

this is a tremendous effort. Obviously we would like to close the deal and it will be at the foul line.

[HenryMuto]

Fawk needed that FT and we needed that loose ball FAWK now down 9

[X Factor]

Good effort, just got down too much

[HenryMuto]

This game is hurting my soul

[stammina0721]

Game set and match. Told you all six point game see what happens. Folded like a house of cards

[X Factor]

Terrible D by Scruggs

[mistabeecee41]

Gillespie with 2 huge plays and Naji and Paul with terrible freshmen plays is the difference

[HenryMuto]

Somehow just get this to OT and we will win

[HenryMuto]

Can't get a stop 3 after 3 after 3 is all they do making me sick

[X Factor]

Not a guy within 8 feet of that kid!!!

[mistabeecee41]

I love JP but I look forward to the day where his constant late close outs are gone

[HenryMuto]

15 3's for Nova 15.................

[stammina0721]

One possession game we went tyreke tyreke gates. Why???? Result was missed layup turnover turnover. Nova then goes back to 9 pt lead. That was huge. I love Mack bit he messed up that three possession sequence

[X Factor]

Great defense

[X Factor]

Defense is a serious issue

[X Factor]

Jones 3rd or 4th missed layu p

[HenryMuto]

Heart breaking

[XUBison]

So much for that.

[kellernr]

Seems Mack forgot to tell the bigs that Spellman can shoot.

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[stammina0721]

This won't cost X a One seed but when we lose at Georgetown we drop to a 3

[X Factor]

Swiss cheese

[American X]

Congrats, jerks. Why didn't you play like this against St. John's and Providence?

[XUBison]

Why has the plan down the stretch been to ride Jones?

[whopper]

I believe this gives us something to build on for the tournament. Disappointing for sure and we all know the little mini missed turning points. We got to fix some of our fixable problem

[HenryMuto]

I can't believe it...I really can't. Nova shot out of their mind. I was so looking forward to this game all week.

:mad:

[mistabeecee41]

Double digit mollywhopping at the hands of daddy

How delusional were we that we were so invested in MSU losing? We should have known better

[X Factor]

Congrats, jerks. Why didn't you play like this against St. John's and Providence?

Because Nova always brings it against X and they own us. They're 10-1 against X. X can't handle Nova.

[kellernr]

Our offense goes to shit when gates and Jones are on the floor. Had the lead down to 3. Gates and Jones come in and it's game over. Jones is invisible on the defensive end and Kaiser never knows his assignment.

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[Xuperman]

Our guys were AMAZING but VU has our #......REMATCH!!!

[X Factor]

Just another 20 point loss to Nova. Is ANYONE surprised?

We are literally Nova's easiest conference games EVERY year.

[XUBison]

I believe this gives us something to build on for the tournament. Disappointing for sure and we all know the little mini missed turning points. We got to fix some of our fixable problem

I vote we fix our terrible defense.

[HenryMuto]

This feeling sucks I hate I don't want to feel this way again for rest of the season.

Win out in the regular season take our #2 seed and win the BE tournament then take our #1 seed and win the whole damn thing.

[BandAid]

I hope Villanova loses to a sixteen seed.

[stammina0721]

Because Nova always brings it against X and they own us. They're 10-1 against X. X can't handle Nova.

We are!!!! UD!!! ( of the Big East)

[AviatorX]

Just another 20 point loss to Nova. Is ANYONE surprised?

We are literally Nova's easiest conference games EVERY year.

Yep, no doubt.

But luckily the trajectory of the program doesn't hinge on catching Nova. Nova is quite literally the best program in the country. Hopefully X is on that level one day, but there's a few steps in between then and now that I'm happy to enjoy X (hopefully) accomplishing.

[HenryMuto]

Villanova from 3-point range last three games: 17-for-71 (23.9 percent).

Villanova from 3-point range tonight: 16-for-34 (47.1 percent).

[American X]

I do not have a problem with losing to the best team in the conference. I have a problem with the best team in the conference dropping games they should not then deciding to play like the '86 Celtics against Xavier.

[mistabeecee41]

Kaiser can not only not shoot a basketball, he can’t catch a basketball. Big problem

[X-ceptional]

No interest in the rest of the regular season, really. Let's get to March.

[Xavier]

Because Nova always brings it against X and they own us. They're 10-1 against X. X can't handle Nova.

The Big East can't. They are just a different animal.

[X Factor]

I do not have a problem with losing to the best team in the conference. I have a problem with the best team in the conference dropping games they should not then deciding to play like the '86 Celtics against Xavier.

Don't blame Villanova. Blame X for letting Nova live rent free in their heads.

It sucks. We all want X to beat Nova, but they treat us like we use to treat Fordham.

[kellernr]

Our guys were AMAZING but VU has our #......REMATCH!!!Who was amazing? Tre and Naji were our best players today. JP hit his first 2 shots and then disappeared most the game. Q still doesn't know how to make a layup . Scruggs was playing well until the BS technical and common foul. Omara and Jones are completely useless out there on the defensive end. Both left Spellman open from 3 the entire game and had a combined 1 rebound tonight. Kanter played about 5 minutes It seemed. Gates has been in a shooting slump since the gonzaga game and is a complete liability in the defensive end.

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[Lloyd Braun]

Silver lining: odds of playing St. John’s in BET are lower now than it was before today!

[kellernr]

Silver lining: odds of playing St. John’s in BET are lower now than it was before today!That's the only plus

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[XUBison]

Our guys were AMAZING but VU has our #......REMATCH!!!

I don’t ever want to play Nova again. Can we trade them for Duke?

[Jesuit4Life]

I'm not going to dwell on this one. Take care of business the rest of the way and get a #1 seed.

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[GreatWhiteNorth]

I don’t think we played badly, just not good enough to beat a hot-shooting Nova team (>60%, 16 3 ptrs). We have to shoot and finish better. Tre did his part but we need more players who can shoot 3s. I worry about next year.

[AviatorX]

I'm not going to dwell on this one. Take care of business the rest of the way and get a #1 seed.

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Agree. X has a pretty damn good shot to go 27-4 (15-3). No way anyone wouldn't have signed up for that in November. I'll take those numbers any day even if Nova beats X by 50 pts a game.

[kellernr]

I'm not going to dwell on this one. Take care of business the rest of the way and get a #1 seed.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk1 seed is still there after tonight. Everyone but Michigan st lost this week and the bear kittens will lose again tomorrow.

I want a 1 sees for program history but I'm terrified to be the 1st 1seed to go down to 16. 16 seeds are usually small teams that shoot a ton of 3s and we all know how Xaviers 3pt defense is.

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[bjf123]

So how many bunnies did we miss today? I’m guessing enough to make it a close game. Regardless, we’re Nova’s bitch.


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[GIMMFD]

Some thoughts:
1. Ultimately them shooting 70% or some ridiculous number from the three in the first half is what sucked the most, they shoot even remotely close to average, and I think we come out of this with a win. Some of it was terrible defense, but others were just incredible shots (2 of Bridges were with JP wrapped all over him, can't even complain about that)

2. Our defense needs a lot of work, giving up 95 is bad, but man there were so many instances of the Nova guards just blowing by our perimeter defense for easy scores to the basket in the second half, I'm not quite sure what the answer is, but we gotta figure something out. One bright point is that Naji did a pretty good job on Brunson for the most part, he's really growing into a damn good defender.

3. We're a much better team when Kaiser is clicking and full of confidence, but when his shot isn't falling, it seems like he just really shits the bed. He looked out of it in all aspects of the game today. I'm not sure what's going on with his slump, but I'm really hoping he snaps out of it quick. We need him confident more so than a weapon offensively.

4. Resilency. At least they didn't just fold up, and had the fight to try to come back. That's one thing we've seen with this team this year, is that there isn't a quit to them, and I give kudos to Mack & co for instilling that mindset into the guys, they definitely put their all out there. The biggest thing that killed our comeback in my opinion was that damn double technical, we had things rolling, and had our foot on the pedal, after that just kind of turned into a different game.

5. It's a minor set back, and it's frustrating beyond belief to keep getting waxed by this Villanova team, I don't know what it is, but it just seems we can't figure them out. I don't even know where to begin on taking them down, but I really wish we would have tried to foul out Spellman, Bridges, Paschall etc. when all 3 were sitting on 4 fouls under 6. Needed to find a way to do that, and ultimately just couldn't do that. Ended up being sloppy with the ball, and making a lot of silly errors that needs to be assessed.

6. Congratulations to Trevon, definitely not how he wanted to pass West, but that kid has put his heart and soul into his game for the last 4 years, and we've been blessed to have him in an X jersey. He is an ultimate warrior, and an ultimate gamer, and I wouldn't trade him for anybody else in the country. Hats off to your Mr. Blueitt, your jersey will be immortalized in Cintas forever.

7. There's still a lot to gain out of this season, we can do our part by winning every single game and seeing what happens down the line. If anything, let's set ourselves up for a rematch in the Big East Championship, and let's get their number next time. We have a one seed still possible on the horizon, so just have to go out there and take care of business. The regular season championship may be a toss-up now, but it doesn't mean that we can't activate March Xavier mode and still knock down the wall to our first coveted Final 4.

[Xuperman]

Who was amazing? Tre and Naji were our best players today. JP hit his first 2 shots and then disappeared most the game. Q still doesn't know how to make a layup . Scruggs was playing well until the BS technical and common foul. Omara and Jones are completely useless out there on the defensive end. Both left Spellman open from 3 the entire game and had a combined 1 rebound tonight. Kanter played about 5 minutes It seemed. Gates has been in a shooting slump since the gonzaga game and is a complete liability in the defensive end.

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The 2nd half come back by our guys you F'N troll

[Xavier]

1 seed would require not losing until Big East championship.

[Caveat]

1 seed would require not losing until Big East championship.

We need to win a Big East title to get a 1. They aren’t going to give a team w/ 3 losses to Nova a #1 seed.

[bjf123]

We need to win a Big East title to get a 1. They aren’t going to give a team w/ 3 losses to Nova a #1 seed.

Yep. Anything else and we’re a 2.


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[Caveat]

Some thoughts:

5. It's a minor set back, and it's frustrating beyond belief to keep getting waxed by this Villanova team, I don't know what it is, but it just seems we can't figure them out. I don't even know where to begin on taking them down, but I really wish we would have tried to foul out Spellman, Bridges, Paschall etc. when all 3 were sitting on 4 fouls under 6. Needed to find a way to do that, and ultimately just couldn't do that. Ended up being sloppy with the ball, and making a lot of silly errors that needs to be assessed.

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.

[X Factor]

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.

Xavier also had about 7 recruits in attendance right behind the bench watching this game.

[stammina0721]

Kaiser gates is the biggest waste of height since Obi Harris.

[Caveat]

Xavier also had about 7 recruits in attendance right behind the bench watching this game.

Yup. And every one of them saw the difference between an elite program and one that can’t get over the hump.

[GIMMFD]

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.

I don't know, I almost feel like Nova is our kryptonite, look at instances in the past, we beat Arizona for an Elite 8 appearance, we make deep tournament runs. I do get what you're saying though, this was a great chance to prove what we were made of, and we came out flat and uninspired other than basically Tre and Naji. I'm not sure how I would combat this as I said, it's almost like Nova is in our heads and we just can't shake it for some reason.

[Xville]

Defense again is why I have serious reservations about this team making a run in March. They don't play it well at all and it shows against good teams.

[stammina0721]

We need to win a Big East title to get a 1. They aren’t going to give a team w/ 3 losses to Nova a #1 seed.

I'm really pissed off right now but this is retarded. This team has 4 losses with half of those coming to a 1 seed. The resume is huge and you can't give me 4 teams that earn 1 seeds over X right now. Auburn not only lost but lost a huge player. UC lost... Michigan State replaces Purdue. Osu lost earlier this week. Who jumps up? Texas Tech? I think not. Win these last 3 and a 1 seed is locked up

[JTG]

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.

So since Butler has made Nova look silly 3 out of their last 4 , does that mean Butler is great ? Hell no. For whatever reason Nova has our number. My son seems to think Wright hates Mack, and gets them all sorts of jacked up to play X.

[XUBison]

This might not define our season, but it sucks big time. Maybe next season we’ll be a competitive tourney team, but it could also be a rough rebuilding year. We are at least 2-3 years out before we will see another top ranked X team. Nova sustains year after year, and right now that is the real difference. It is why this game is so disappointing.

[mirabilelectu]

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.

This loss is disappointing but you're really using this as a measuring stick for our programs legitimacy?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

They definitely do what we do just a lot better. It’s frustrating but this team needs to regroup and finish with 3 wins.


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[AviatorX]

This might not define our season, but it sucks big time. Maybe next season we’ll be a competitive tourney team, but it could also be a rough rebuilding year. We are at least 2-3 years out before we will see another top ranked X team. Nova sustains year after year, and right now that is the real difference. It is why this game is so disappointing.

Good news! X is a competitive tournament team THIS year. Actually one of the most competitive!

[kellernr]

The 2nd half come back by our guys you F'N trollSo pointing out the obvious makes someone a troll in your book?Tre, Naji and jp led that comeback. Q had some nice passes but couldn't finish around the rim. Scruggs was doing good until he got T'd up and his 4th foul.



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[whopper]

agreed, if you had bridges, brunson, divencenzo in a 3 on 3 league against trev, Q and JP they would win 80% of the games 15-12. Divencenzo rebounded incredibly the last few min when they had foul trouble. Spelman played well and it is tough to attack them from the center position as they help well. We need to look at the first half of seton hall and creighton to see whatt we did right on defense. Disappointing not devastating but must beat Providence(I have a number of friends with PC links as i live in Conn and could not live down a sweep.) Nobody played horribly but there were opportunities we did not capitalize on.

[kellernr]

Yep. Anything else and we’re a 2.


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[AviatorX]

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.

Xavier is having its best regular season in program history. If X is a pretender now I shudder to think what they've been in the past. This board is lovably predictable.

[kellernr]

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.Nova rolled us last year and we still made the elite 8. Not a setback at all

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[kellernr]

Xavier also had about 7 recruits in attendance right behind the bench watching this game.Hopefully they are 2018 recruits thinking, man I can possibly beat out gates for playing time as a freshman.

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[kellernr]

I disagree with this.

This is a major setback. This is the kind of game that lets you know who you are as a program and a team — and Xavier just went out and gave an epic failure of a performance. There was no defensive intensity. Shots were bricking off the iron.

This is a “contender / pretender” game — and Xavier outed itself as a pretender. What makes it worse is that this is the kind of effort you see repeatedly from the program when the lights are bright. At some point, these types of games need to be wins.Look at all the ranked teams that lost this week. It sucks they blew us out at home but shit happens

#3 Nova lost @ Providence
#4 XU lost home vs Nova
#5 UC lost @Hou
#6 Purdue lost @Wisc
#8 Ohio St lost @Penn St
#10 Auburn lost @SC
#11 Clemson lost @FSU
#15 Saint Mary's lost @ San Fran
#16 RI lost @St Bon
#21 Tx A&M lost @Mizz and @Ark
#23 Oklahoma lost @Tex Tech AND vs Texas
#25 Arz St lost vs Arz

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[XUBison]

Good news! X is a competitive tournament team THIS year. Actually one of the most competitive!

Yep, but we sucked balls today, and we’re going to suck balls next year. X is such a good program, but for those of us who believe it can be a great program, sucking balls really... well, sucks balls.

[Blue Blooded-05]

I’ll give you one positive about today... Let the record show that we are 1-10 against Villanova since joining the Big East and not one of us is blaming the refs or circle jerking about much classier we are than them.

[XUBison]

I’ll give you one positive about today... Let the record show that we are 1-10 against Villanova since joining the Big East and not one of us is blaming the refs or circle jerking about much classier we are than them.

^this.

[X Factor]

Look at all the ranked teams that lost this week. It sucks they blew us out at home but shit happens

#3 Nova lost @ Providence
#4 XU lost home vs Nova
#5 UC lost @Hou
#6 Purdue lost @Wisc
#8 Ohio St lost @Penn St
#10 Auburn lost @SC
#11 Clemson lost @FSU
#15 Saint Mary's lost @ San Fran
#16 RI lost @St Bon
#21 Tx A&M lost @Mizz and @Ark
#23 Oklahoma lost @Tex Tech AND vs Texas
#25 Arz St lost vs Arz

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Yes, ranked teams lose. No one is disputing that. It gets old that it's a foregone conclusion Xavier is going to lose by 15-25 points every time they play Villanova, and it doesn't matter where the game is played.

We're supposed to be the 2nd best team in the conference, which I think we are, but there is just a Grand Canyon gap between Villanova and Xavier.

[stammina0721]

Seriously??? Anyone who says X needs to make BE championship game for a one seed please tell me who the four ones are over them right now? It's just stupid to say otherwise

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Good lord Stamina stop posting, we lost get over it. The players will, I promise.


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[kellernr]

Yes, ranked teams lose. No one is disputing that. It gets old that it's a foregone conclusion Xavier is going to lose by 15-25 points every time they play Villanova, and it doesn't matter where the game is played.

We're supposed to be the 2nd best team in the conference, which I think we are, but there is just a Grand Canyon gap between Villanova and Xavier.They recruit guards that can shoot. We get guys like goodin and Scruggs that are very good at distributing the ball but lack shooting.

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[Xville]

Xavier is having its best regular season in program history. If X is a pretender now I shudder to think what they've been in the past. This board is lovably predictable.

Meh...last time it was the best regular season in history, we didn't even get out of the first weekend. This team does need to make the next step.

[stammina0721]

Good lord Stamina stop posting, we lost get over it. The players will, I promise.


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What are you talking about. People are saying X needs to make the championship game to get a 1 and I'm saying they are wrong. X is still a one seed come tomorrow. So your issue with me saying that is what???

[whopper]

I think our style is a problem against Villanova as they trade twos for threes, could care less if they are fouled or get offensive rebounds, and collapse on any big man so our three headed center won't be that effective. There is always a way, now to win each game at a time (which will be tough) and get to the Big East tournament with some momentum. Providence is actually a mini Villanova (cartright as bronson, bullock as bridges, lindsey as divencenzo, jackson as pascal..etc. and if V shoots 3-20 and brunson alone has 7 turnovers(villanova team had SIX today) they win. Butler shot 17-22 threes at home. Neither path is our path but I do think they should look at providence film to see how the turnovers happened..maybe we cn replicate. The poor shooting was poor shooting, if you try to run villamova off 3 pt line they will easily drive past for layups and assists. Lets just win strong, get Kaiser back, figure out why tyriques low post mechanics are poor and see hat happens.

[GoMuskies]

What are you talking about. People are saying X needs to make the championship game to get a 1 and I'm saying they are wrong. X is still a one seed come tomorrow. So your issue with me saying that is what???

I think X needs to get to the title game to be a #1. We'll be a #1 tomorrow, but if we lose to anyone other than Nova, we'll lose the #1 seed.

[XUBison]

Xavier is having its best regular season in program history. If X is a pretender now I shudder to think what they've been in the past. This board is lovably predictable.

And this take is annoyingly predictable. Of course people are disappointed after watching x get its butt kicked in what was regarded as the biggest regular season game in program history. ”Golly-gee shucks. You folks are such glass half empty negative Nancies.“ Blah, blah, blah.

[AviatorX]

And this take is annoyingly predictable. Of course people are disappointed after watching x get its butt kicked in what was regarded as the biggest regular season game in program history. ”Golly-gee shucks. You folks are such glass half empty negative Nancies.“ Blah, blah, blah.

Obviously I'm disappointed too. Doesn't mean I can't keep the broader perspective in mind. Everything I posted is true while you have already declared X sucks balls next season (they are likely to be a tournament team easily IMO). Trust me, I used to take each loss way harder than I do now and understand that some of the most passionate fans are going to be overly negative after a loss. If last year's run didn't push some people over to looking at the bigger picture, obviously nothing will, which is fine, but I'll continue to push back.

[Backyard Champ]

Tough to lose this one, but how can you not be pleased with the fight X showed in the second half? I honestly believe that we would have come back and beat anyone not named Villinova.

Maybe I had the disadvantage of being at the game and not watching on TV, but I didn't see any Xavier player not hustle or play hard. One of the best things about this team is how it competes, together. I didn't see teammates yelling at one another, and I haven't seen it all year. I have seen players yelling about getting in correct defensive position, but seems more helpful than bashful.

Screw all the X fans who are bashing this team/program right now. We have an awesome team who can make a deep run. We were down 14 at half to what many believe to be the best team in the country. We fought back and got the game within 3 multiple times. That's impressive.

[AviatorX]

Meh...last time it was the best regular season in history, we didn't even get out of the first weekend. This team does need to make the next step.


That's fine and I do see where you're coming from, but to be clear, is that next step a Final Four?

[stammina0721]

If we win the next 3 and lose first game of big East tournament this team is a one. I'll put car notes on it

[Backyard Champ]

What are you talking about. People are saying X needs to make the championship game to get a 1 and I'm saying they are wrong. X is still a one seed come tomorrow. So your issue with me saying that is what???

I'm not sold on a 1 seed tomorrow. But I do believe X can win out until semi finals and get a 1 seed. Just depends on who the loss would be against. Honestly, I don't care about what seed we get, matchups are far more important.

[X Factor]

We have an awesome team who can make a deep run.

Offensively, this is an excellent team, but show me a team with a defensive ranking in the 70's that made a Final Four. That is my concern.

[stammina0721]

I'm not sold on a 1 seed tomorrow. But I do believe X can win out until semi finals and get a 1 seed. Just depends on who the loss would be against. Honestly, I don't care about what seed we get, matchups are far more important.

Name your terms... I'll literally bet anything X is on the one line tomorrow

[Backyard Champ]

Offensively, this is an excellent team, but show me a team with a defensive ranking in the 70's that made a Final Four. That is my concern.

Fair point. It just all depends on matchups. Hate to be that guy, but our team is very good offensively, and in the tournament, I'd rather be one of the top offensive teams than defensive teams.

Thing with this team is, we can attack you wherever you are weak. Even top defensive teams can struggle to stop us (see UC).

One thing I'll say about defense is: I'm shocked we haven't seen more 1-3-1 this year. That seemed to be the ticket in the tournament last year for us. Maybe saving it for the tournament, but that was such a game changer last year.

[Xville]

That's fine and I do see where you're coming from, but to be clear, is that next step a Final Four?

Yep. Going to have to beat nova or a team like them to get there.

[X Factor]

https://www.vuhoops.com/villanova-basketball/2018/2/8/16986218/villanova-basketball-what-does-kenpom-tell-us-about-past-champions

[Xville]

Offensively, this is an excellent team, but show me a team with a defensive ranking in the 70's that made a Final Four. That is my concern.

Mine too. For how good jp and tre are offensively, they are defensive liabilities.

[AviatorX]

Yep. Going to have to beat nova or a team like them to get there.

Man, I get it, I really do when you look at it logically. But I just think it's setting yourself up for a bummer to consider anything less than a Final Four a disappointment in any one single year. For any program really, but especially Xavier. More bluntly, I think it's crazy for any fan of any program to set the bar for disappointment so high in a single season when we're dealing with a single elimination tournament.

Personally, my outlook for X is in "up" years, anything short of the second weekend sucks and in leaner years anything short of making the dance with a solid chance of winning the first game is a disappointment. I really believe the key is to keep getting to those regionals and eventually you'll get the bounce you need.

Hopefully we blow through all of that and just win the whole thing - then we can all agree on something.

[Xville]

Man, I get it, I really do when you look at it logically. But I just think it's setting yourself up for a bummer to consider anything less than a Final Four a disappointment in any one single year. For any program really, but especially Xavier.

Personally, my outlook for X is in "up" years, anything short of the second weekend sucks and in leaner years anything short of making the dance with a solid chance of winning the first game is a disappointment. I really believe the key is to keep getting to those regionals and eventually you'll get the bounce you need.

Hopefully we blow through all of that and just win the whole thing - then we can all agree on something.

I just think this collection of talent isn’t going to happen at Xavier but once every 5-10 years so have to take advantage when you can. Though this team is limited defensivley, there is still enough talent for a final four and that was my expectation when the year began. That expectation isn’t there for me every year

[stammina0721]

Yep. Going to have to beat nova or a team like them to get there.

Agreed... Gonzaga did it last year. This program is at that point now. Put up or shut up. It is this year or never. No dominate teams... a veteran team with the highest recruit in program history and 2nd leading scorer in program history. If it does not happen this year I dont know if it will

[AviatorX]

I just think this collection of talent isn’t going to happen at Xavier but once every 5-10 years so have to take advantage when you can. Though this team is limited defensivley, there is still enough talent for a final four and that was my expectation when the year began. That expectation isn’t there for me every year

Totally fair. I'm with you. Agree that I'll never have felt better about an X team's chances in a 2 round tournament (NCAA Regional) if they get there this year. Especially in light of what is (or really, is not) out there elsewhere in CBB this season.

[AviatorX]

Agreed... Gonzaga did it last year. This program is at that point now. Put up or shut up. It is this year or never. No dominate teams... a veteran team with the highest recruit in program history and 2nd leading scorer in program history. If it does not happen this year I dont know if it will


I mean...not really. Gonzaga beat a 16 seed, Northwestern, WVU, and last year's X team. None of those are anything like Nova.

[Snipe]

So for people watching at home, what was the deal with the Scruggs foul?

[stammina0721]

I mean...not really. Gonzaga beat a 16 seed, Northwestern, WVU, and last year's X team. None of those are anything like Nova.

But they made it. X has to make it this year or i can't see it happening any time soon

[stammina0721]

So for people watching at home, what was the deal with the Scruggs foul?

Bad in my opinion, but I can understand where the official made the call. More importantly is this... If the bunny isn't missed, the foul doesnt happen its a One point game and maybe the result changes. That miss led to us being down 9 less than 1 minute later

[X Factor]

But they made it. X has to make it this year or i can't see it happening any time soon

We all know Xavier has more NCAA appearances without a Final Four than any other program in the country. Next year will be a down year; a tourney appearance would be an accomplishment.

This is X's best chance to win the BE and today was just a kick in the balls.

[XUBison]

We all know Xavier has more NCAA appearances without a Final Four than any other program in the country. Next year will be a down year; a tourney appearance would be an accomplishment.

This is X's best chance to win the BE and today was just a kick in the balls.

Sheesh, haven’t you heard? You’re not supposed to bash the program with tripe like this.

[stammina0721]

Well on the bright side there is this.... Xavier has never gone to the second weekend in a year they beat Nova. Just saying...

[stammina0721]

Oh and ArizonaXGrad dont think im mad. Bet 1g on the over. X over is the biggest lock in Vegas right now

[muethibp]

As I’ve said before, my fervent desire is to win the Big East regular season title. Had X won today, it was effectively over. Instead of that happening, we were reminded that there is an undisputed king in the Big East and it’s not Xavier. You can’t even call this a rivalry - the hammer and the nail aren’t rivals.

[Lloyd Braun]

Oh and ArizonaXGrad dont think im mad. Bet 1g on the over. X over is the biggest lock in Vegas right now

Lol! 1g! Look at you, message board moneybags!

[xavierj]

We all know Xavier has more NCAA appearances without a Final Four than any other program in the country. Next year will be a down year; a tourney appearance would be an accomplishment.

This is X's best chance to win the BE and today was just a kick in the balls.

Why will next year be a down year? It’s not like they won’t have some serious talent and length. Naji will be a stud, Goodin will be a stud, I expect Scruggs to be very good and you would hope kaiser steps up as a senior and tyrique has loads of potential. Plus they bring in size and length, another solid transfer and probably another transfer from somewhere. Defense will be the strong point and they will still have a lot of guys who can score, but it will be a different type of offense. Next years strength should be this years weakness. They will be fine but this year will still be a fun ride regardless of what happened today.