Xavier @ Creighton Game Thread (February 10, 2018)

[American X]

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#5 Xavier Musketeers (22-3, 10-2) vs. Creighton Blue Jays of Toronto (18-6, 8-4)

Time: 2:30 p.m. ET

CenturyLink Center | Omaha, Nebraska

TV: FOX National (post-game show on Cincinnati FOX 19)

Radio: 700 WLW Listen Live (https://www.iheart.com/live/700wlw-1713/)

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)

Live Stats (http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=192094)


GoXavier Preview (http://goxavier.com/news/2018/2/8/mens-basketball-no-5-xavier-shoots-for-its-fourth-straight-road-victory-in-a-tough-road-environment-at-creighton-on-saturday.aspx)

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GoCreighton Preview (http://gocreighton.com/news/2018/2/8/mens-basketball-to-host-no-5-xavier-on-saturday.aspx)

Omaha World-Herald Creighton Coverage
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[xu koop scoop]

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#5 Xavier Musketeers (22-3, 10-2) vs. Creighton Blue Jays of Toronto (18-6, 8-4)

Time: 2:30 p.m. ET

CenturyLink Center | Omaha, Nebraska

TV: FOX National (post-game show on Cincinnati FOX 19)

Radio: 700 WLW Listen Live (https://www.iheart.com/live/700wlw-1713/)

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)

Live Stats (http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=192094)


GoXavier Preview (http://goxavier.com/news/2018/2/8/mens-basketball-no-5-xavier-shoots-for-its-fourth-straight-road-victory-in-a-tough-road-environment-at-creighton-on-saturday.aspx)

Full Game Notes (https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/goxavier.com/documents/2018/2/8/2017_18_Xavier_Game_Notes_game_26_at_Creighton.pdf )

GoCreighton Preview (http://gocreighton.com/news/2018/2/8/mens-basketball-to-host-no-5-xavier-on-saturday.aspx)

Omaha World-Herald Creighton Coverage
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Appreciate the pre-game info. Sometimes it helps me find a way to watch on TV. This games easy for TV, except I'm in Naples, FL & sometimes FOX gives us a "regional broadcast", usually FSU or Florida. Really like the disgruntled Blue Jay. Hope he looks disgruntled at end of game

[BandAid]

My brothers and I will be in the CLink. Bringing an X flag that is undefeated (was at the #1 St joes game and subsequent vd game plus others). Hopefully its still got the magic!

[xu koop scoop]

My brothers and I will be in the CLink. Bringing an X flag that is undefeated (was at the #1 St joes game and subsequent vd game plus others). Hopefully its still got the magic!



I think we need to flag your comment. In a good way, that is. Wave that flag with pride.

[xu82]

I have a very bad feeling my return trip from Nashville to Atlanta is somehow going to coincide with game time tomorrow. I could use the remote UVerse feature to record the game, but just now realize they recently replaced my cable box and I failed to link it to my phone. I know that, because my phone tells me so. Smart ass smart phone is taunting me...

[American X]

Highest ranking ever and #1 seed on the table. Just another business trip, right?


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Enquirer Preview (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2018/02/09/xavier-begins-stretch-run-atop-big-east-creighton/323981002/)

[skyking]

Las Vegas says Creighton by 2. I'll take that bet. No points needed.

[xumuskies08]

I'm hoping for another big game from Kanter and O'Mara. Creighton is an extremely perimeter oriented team so I think the bigs could really do work. Muskies have to defend the 3 and run through the post.

I went into this 4 game stretch just wanting 2-2. If the Muskies can come home with those 2 wins already in tow that would be incredible.

[SkyWalker]

In some ways Creighton may be the biggest Xavier game ever. With a win we likely are projected as a #1 seed Sunday night with the committee, currently occupying first place in the Big East and the highest poll rankings ever for X in next week's polls. Not to mention two top notch home games next week to move even higher. Shiver!!!

[kmcrawfo]

In some ways Creighton may be the biggest Xavier game ever. With a win we likely are projected as a #1 seed Sunday night with the committee, currently occupying first place in the Big East and the highest poll rankings ever for X in next week's polls. Not to mention two top notch home games next week to move even higher. Shiver!!!

Was supposed to be flying out today to watch this game, but came down with a nasty case of the flu. So, I'll be cheering on the team from home instead. Really bummed as this is going to be awesome tomorrow.

Never in doubt, X will roll.

I will be attending every game, home and away, the rest of the year.

[Nigel Tufnel]

In some ways Creighton may be the biggest Xavier game ever. With a win we likely are projected as a #1 seed Sunday night with the committee, currently occupying first place in the Big East and the highest poll rankings ever for X in next week's polls. Not to mention two top notch home games next week to move even higher. Shiver!!!

I have been thinking the same thing. Unfortunately, I am not expecting a win tomorrow. @ Butler followed by @ Creighton is a lot to ask. This is a game that in the last few years X doesn't win. How many teams in the country could win @ a bitter rival on the road in OT and follow up with a win @ Creighton, who has some long home winning streak? Not many. However...if X can pull out a win tomorrow, I think they are in unchartered waters in terms of accomplishment at this point of the season and the expectations in March. Tomorrow is huge.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Highest ranking ever and #1 seed on the table. Just another business trip, right?


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Enquirer Preview (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2018/02/09/xavier-begins-stretch-run-atop-big-east-creighton/323981002/)

Seriously! So much more on the line than just picking up another good road win!!! I'm getting nervous already!

[xu82]

I have been thinking the same thing. Unfortunately, I am not expecting a win tomorrow. @ Butler followed by @ Creighton is a lot to ask. This is a game that in the last few years X doesn't win. How many teams in the country could win @ a bitter rival on the road in OT and follow up with a win @ Creighton, who has some long home winning streak? Not many. However...if X can pull out a win tomorrow, I think they are in unchartered waters in terms of accomplishment at this point of the season and the expectations in March. Tomorrow is huge.

I didn't fully appreciate Skywalkers post originally, but it seems you are both onto something BIG. And current travel plans are for me to miss this one. DAMN! Searching for solutions.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have been thinking the same thing. Unfortunately, I am not expecting a win tomorrow. @ Butler followed by @ Creighton is a lot to ask. This is a game that in the last few years X doesn't win. How many teams in the country could win @ a bitter rival on the road in OT and follow up with a win @ Creighton, who has some long home winning streak? Not many. However...if X can pull out a win tomorrow, I think they are in unchartered waters in terms of accomplishment at this point of the season and the expectations in March. Tomorrow is huge.

Its not a crazy long home winning streak, they lost their second to last home game of the year last year to Providence. But definitely one of the toughest places to play in the Big East. Always seems like such a great atmosphere.

Going to be tough, would be a great win. I just have a special feeling about this team and their ability to win in tight and tough situations. I think we get it done again tomorrow. Need to pound them down low.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

A win means a few first-place votes, sez "Mel."

That would be pretty cool.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Its not a crazy long home winning streak, they lost their second to last home game of the year last year to Providence. But definitely one of the toughest places to play in the Big East. Always seems like such a great atmosphere.

Going to be tough, would be a great win. I just have a special feeling about this team and their ability to win in tight and tough situations. I think we get it done again tomorrow. Need to pound them down low.

I had a good feeling about the game at Butler...not so much tomorrow. Hope I'm wrong. I too have a special feeling about this team...but if they win tomorrow, wow.

[letskeepitreal]

I was actually thinking that Butler was more difficult than Creighton given our big advantage inside and the injury to Krampelj. It will be a tough game as they have among the best home crowds anywhere in the country but I am very optimistic. This team is just very mentally tough.

[HenryMuto]

What is at stake in this game ? Most likely seeing X as a #1 seed on Sunday, Feb 11th.

This is going to be one hell of a tough game to win.

[MarvAlbert]

I think it was during the GTown game that the courtside reporter said that Mack was preaching to the team that if Nova were to slip up, they'd control their own destiny. Now that Nova has, I expect the team to come out fired up tomorrow.

[Xavier]

I couldn’t care less about seeding on February 11th. It’s a big game but beating Nova at home would be much bigger. Let’s just do both.

[stammina0721]

I'm confident in this game. This is a carbon copy of the Butler game. As long as they don't do something like hit over 15 threes then X should win. Creighton has no legit inside game and our advantage down low should carry the day just like it did on Indy.

[Lloyd Braun]

A win means a few first-place votes, sez "Mel."

That would be pretty cool.

Parentheses that have numbers instead of letters!? (OH)
Whoa.

[xu koop scoop]

I think it was during the GTown game that the courtside reporter said that Mack was preaching to the team that if Nova were to slip up, they'd control their own destiny. Now that Nova has, I expect the team to come out fired up tomorrow.

Thinking exactly like I am. In order to be/stay ranked in Top 5 & ascend to #1 you have to win games like this. Nova at full strength would win this game.
This is truly an in season statement game. Only Virginia seems in our way to a #1 ranking. Doubtful that the BE (or any league) gets two #1 seeds come tourney time. The road to the BE Title is in our players/coaches control. That title would be HUGE & the BE Winner likely to be a #1 seed.

[X-band '01]

I was actually thinking that Butler was more difficult than Creighton given our big advantage inside and the injury to Krampelj. It will be a tough game as they have among the best home crowds anywhere in the country but I am very optimistic. This team is just very mentally tough.

This game will be more difficult given that it will be played at a lot faster tempo than what Butler played. Butler shot well, but they were much more deliberate in terms of running the shot clock down.

By the same token, it would also behoove our bigs to not get in early foul trouble. If Xavier can neutralize guys like Khyri Thomas and Davion Mintz again, I really like their chances to get roadkill.

[xu koop scoop]

If Butler beats Nova today & we win too, we then have a full game lead in the loss column.
This is a great day for BE Basketball.

[bjf123]

“Couldn’t care less” is one of those phrases often misused. Do you care more about the Nova game? Sure, I get that. Top team, hold serve at home. Do you have zero interest in who wins the Creighton game? THAT also affects seeding. I care from week #1. (Sorry, pet peeve of mine.)

At least he didn’t say “could care less”, a pet peeve of mine. Saying that clearly shows you do have some degree of care.


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[markchal]

I also thought Butler would be the tougher game for us. Still, with how we've played at home, we could lose any one of the next three games. They are gonna be absolute battles. But, I like what we're bringing to those battles, and am very much looking forward to watching them. I much prefer that than slicing through cupcakes in the AAC. This league is a treat.

[bobbiemcgee]

Vegas has the #5 team as the Underdog. Like it.

[letskeepitreal]

Vegas has the #5 team as the Underdog. Like it.

Just like Butler. We got them right where we want them.

[bjf123]

Looks like the line has moved from -1.5 to -2.


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[HenryMuto]

Going to be a tough tough game today. Creighton undefeated at home this year.

[X Factor]

This would be a huge win. Probably bigger than winning at Butler. Going to take a monster effort.

[mistabeecee41]

This would be a huge win. Probably bigger than winning at Butler. Going to take a monster effort.

I hope by monster effort you mean JP Macura running away from the guy he’s guarding whole wide open for 3

[D-West & PO-Z]

This would be a huge win. Probably bigger than winning at Butler. Going to take a monster effort.

Definitely bigger than winning on Butler just from a purely RPI standpoint.

[RoseyMuskie]

The 2019 lineup being featured.

[HenryMuto]

Gave up a couple wide open 3s in transition that are frustrating but all in all great start up 30-20 also amazing to be up 10 when Bluiett has 0 points.

[RoseyMuskie]

Kind of funny to think Goodin is shooting better from three in Big East play than Bluiett.

[X Factor]

Goodin is lighting it up from 3 in conference play! 11-22 for 50%!

[usfldan]

Definitely bigger than winning on Butler just from a purely RPI standpoint.

This game is pretty big from a Big East standings perspective, too. Creighton can get to within a game of us with a win. If we win, we'll stay two games clear of Providence (and three ahead of Creighton). I know everyone has the Big East title in mind, but a loss here and even second place is not guaranteed.

[HenryMuto]

FAWK now tied 30-30 FAWK FAWK FAWK

[GIMMFD]

Goodin is lighting it up from 3 in conference play! 11-22 for 50%!

God when he plays well he really opens things up for us. I love having multiple threats, he's also been finishing at the rim a lot better too. He's looking confident.

[HenryMuto]

Thank god X went on a run to end the half after that terrible 10-0 run we had to endure to tie it at 30.

X up 8 at the half.

[stammina0721]

Thank god X went on a run to end the half after that terrible 10-0 run we had to endure to tie it at 30.

X up 8 at the half.

Even when Creighton tied it there was zero concern. How does this team in Omaha have zero inside game. I'm committing the ultimate sin... game was over at tip off. When your big man is more likely to hit the ground rather than a bucket you're not going to beat a team with Kanter and Omara. X is a match up nightmare for Creighton.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Thank god X went on a run to end the half after that terrible 10-0 run we had to endure to tie it at 30.

X up 8 at the half.

Didn’t get to see the first part of the game today. When I finally got to turn it on, Creighton promptly went on that 10-0 run. Considered turning the game off for the good of the group. Glad I don’t have to watch the game cast for the 2nd half.

[GIMMFD]

Just gotta keep pounding it inside, they have no answer for Kanter and O'Mara, and that'll open things up for Blueitt and Macura in return, and if not, we'll ride our bigs. Agreed we are a match-up nightmare right now for Creighton, just need to continue playing some tough defense.

[kellernr]

That was the plan. Mack told Q to throw up ugly shots so the defenses would leave him open later in the season.

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[GoMuskies]

That was the plan. Mack told Q to throw up ugly shots so the defenses would leave him open later in the season.

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Sneaking up on them.

[GoMuskies]

This game is insane. Creighton is BYU level fun.

[HenryMuto]

Frustrating last few minutes we couldn't stop them from scoring to start the 2nd half and now we can't score when they are going on a run.

Had a nice 7 point lead there for a second trading baskets and now Creighton takes the lead and I am not sure if X can come back now to win this one.

[Grizzx12]

Are we incapable of not switching bigs onto guards in our man defense?

[AviatorX]

Frustrating last few minutes we couldn't stop them from scoring to start the 2nd half and now we can't score when they are going on a run.

Had a nice 7 point lead there for a second trading baskets and now Creighton takes the lead and I am not sure if X can come back now to win this one.

It’s a 1 point game.......

[kellernr]

Frustrating last few minutes we couldn't stop them from scoring to start the 2nd half and now we can't score when they are going on a run.

Had a nice 7 point lead there for a second trading baskets and now Creighton takes the lead and I am not sure if X can come back now to win this one.If Tre can get going they will be fine. Need gates to do something productive also

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[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Frustrating last few minutes we couldn't stop them from scoring to start the 2nd half and now we can't score when they are going on a run.

Had a nice 7 point lead there for a second trading baskets and now Creighton takes the lead and I am not sure if X can come back now to win this one.

Lighten up Henry.


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[HenryMuto]

Kansas lost again so in theory no matter if X wins or loses today they should be a #1 seed just might be the difference in being the #3 overall or #4 overall possibly.

Either way if it is all the same to you I would like to win this game anyway.

[kellernr]

I want to see Tre move and cut to get the ball. He just walks around the 3 or line. That's not gonna get him open looks

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[GoMuskies]

Tomorrow's seedings don't mean shit, so yes, let's win today.

Hitting anything from the perimeter would be appreciated.

[stammina0721]

Frustrating last few minutes we couldn't stop them from scoring to start the 2nd half and now we can't score when they are going on a run.

Had a nice 7 point lead there for a second trading baskets and now Creighton takes the lead and I am not sure if X can come back now to win this one.

They definitely can... Only way X loses is if they keep turning it over

[X-band '01]

Wonder how long Mack waits to get Naji back in this one. He's missed most of the half with 4 fouls.

[Blue Blooded-05]

We’re 0-9 from three in the 2nd half

[RoseyMuskie]

Hegner is a flopping baby.

[GoMuskies]

Too many missed opportunities to finish them.

[Grizzx12]

Hegner is a flopping baby.

His game is shooting open 3's and flopping like a flounder. Not much else

[kellernr]

Too many missed opportunities to finish them.Agree. Sean should have taken the pass from JP to the rack instead of pulling up for a shot.

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[Lloyd Braun]

Why does Elmore hate us? It’s getting pretty obvious.

[X-band '01]

Gotta defend like mothers for the final 4 minutes. Hoping those wasted opportunities on offense don't come back to haunt.

[X Factor]

Tre is going to bit a big three

[mistabeecee41]

JP took that shot from half court how did he not get back?

[GoMuskies]

This game should be over. If we win in Omaha without a second half 3 it would be a miracle.

[kellernr]

Tre is going to bit a big threeI hope so. JP needs to quit shooting from 5ft behind the line. I hope his slump ends for the 2 games next week. I don't understand why we aren't driving to the rim since we are in the bonus

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[Blue Blooded-05]

0-12 from 3 this half

[RoseyMuskie]

Big Sean Arizona play, stat.

[Grizzx12]

Ughhhh

[HenryMuto]

Blowing this god damn it

[HenryMuto]

Unreal up 2 then tied and now a walk.

[Grizzx12]

Cmon on!!! Jesus

[GoMuskies]

Two brutal possessions.

[RoseyMuskie]

Hate how quick that was. Should’ve been two possessions vs. one.

[Lloyd Braun]

Horrible call. Not only did he not travel... he got fouled.

[HenryMuto]

Well it comes down to this. Really a got to have it possession to score otherwise Creighton gets last shot to win.

[GoMuskies]

Tre time.

[X Factor]

Not a travel

[HenryMuto]

Horrible call. Not only did he not travel... he got fouled.

Was BS

[GreatWhiteNorth]

X has not scored for a long time.

[HenryMuto]

Are you fn kiddfing me ?

[Lloyd Braun]

Horrible call again

[GoMuskies]

No fucking way.

[Grizzx12]

Of course they call that

[HenryMuto]

God if we just get the rebound on the 1st miss it is over instead he gets 3 shots

[mistabeecee41]

Of course they call that

Hit his elbow. Clear foul

[HenryMuto]

This game was over with a rebound or if Tre don't nick him. God sickening if we lose.

[Xville]

Hit his elbow. Clear foul

Try again. He didn't touch him.

[X Factor]

Terrible play by Tre

[HenryMuto]

Without a miracle shot to win it this is a real tough one to take they miss the 1st shot and we let them get the rebound and kick off then hit him shooting a 3. We get that rebound it's over or if Tre don't nick him.

God damn it god damn it

[GoMuskies]

Hope it's Tre or JP who takes the shot.

[HenryMuto]

OMFG can Goodin hit the FT's to win this ?

[GoMuskies]

Awesome.

[HenryMuto]

Fawk yessssssssssssssssssss

[Lloyd Braun]

Also not a foul...

[Grizzx12]

Wow!!

[Xville]

Two awful calls to end the game...some awful awful refs at the end of the game

[GreatWhiteNorth]

What drama!

[Grizzx12]

Didnt they use all their TOs?

[HenryMuto]

ok no fawking stupid foul call on us do not fall into the trap on the baseline running the guy over no FN way you foul now they can't possibly win if you don't foul.

[RoseyMuskie]

All X men should be in the paint.

[GoMuskies]

I'll take the gift.

[HenryMuto]

Thank god Creighton didn't try the draw the charge on the baseline.

Get the F out of here with the win.

STOLE ONE and give us that #1 seed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Grizzx12]

Holy smokes!!! And we didnt make a 3 in the 2nd half

[stammina0721]

Both fouls shouldn't have been called

[GoMuskies]

0-12 from 3 point range in the 2nd half and win in Omaha. Crazy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Calling Doc to upgrade blood pressure meds.

[GoMuskies]

Both fouls shouldn't have been called

It was a shitty last 5 seconds all around. But I liked it.

[stammina0721]

Two awful calls to end the game...some awful awful refs at the end of the game

At least they were consistent at the end of the game. White haired ref was horrible and I never comment on officiating

[GreatWhiteNorth]

We didn’t play a good game, but, a win is a win. Tre did not have a good day, but our BIGS were outstanding.

[stammina0721]

No doubt told you all game was over at halftime lol

[GIMMFD]

Did not deserve that foul at the end, but how about Q being an ice cold killer at the line and sinking em both. Way to survive that, and get a beautiful road-kill. Another big one on Wednesday with Hall now. 2-0 in these two games is huge for us!!

[whopper]

we got that call because the refs now respect us. I was shocked but what a team effort and Mack at end said it best "we have a team and many of these players could be the leading scorer on other teams....no one will be looking at the stat sheet in the locker room". This is a team worth following, rooting for, supporting and nice to see J.P. have a good game(missed coverage aside).

[HenryMuto]

My heart is still racing from those FT attempts. So glad he hit both I couldn't stand going OT there.

Wow what a gift of a win but a win that should have already been done with the rebound on the Creighton miss up 2 with seconds left.

Much outrage around the nation on that call I am looking at message boards everywhere and people are calling BS on the foul with 0.3 left.

I really need to watch it again it was a call that usually won't get called. Either way I will take it after having my other team Kentucky getting screwed when the Florida guy grabbed him by the head with 2 seconds left and didn't get a foul call.

[Grizzx12]

Something that stands out to me is this is the third week we've made it into the #5 spot in the AP polls in the past few years. Pretty much folded the past two times but this week they played like a top 5 team with some HUGE roads wins against quality teams!!

To the liquor cabinet for celebratory scotch!!!!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Refs are human and make mistakes, I 100% believe they make equally awful makeup calls. It sucks it happened in the last 5 seconds. Let the players decide it. Home fans want those calls though.


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[Grizzx12]

And these refs were awful. Tons of contact on early shots Q made and they swallow the whistle and then a gift late that I dont think was a foul. Good thing its not my call

[letskeepitreal]

Whatever the ending, we pulled off the win. What amazes me with this team is the absolute lack of panic and the ability to be mentally tough enough to get the win.

[X Factor]

The refs called a travel on Sean late in the game that was NOT a travel whatsoever and he should've been shooting free throws on that play.

[Emp]

It was a foul. The ref didn't swallow the whistle.

[GIMMFD]

Whatever the ending, we pulled off the win. What amazes me with this team is the absolute lack of panic and the ability to be mentally tough enough to get the win.

This is the major thing here, these guys are 8-0 in games decided by 6 points or less, that's amazing. The resilency of this team is second to none, and that'll be some damn good experience heading into the NCAA Tournament.

[stammina0721]

The calls were bad BUT the players did decide it. They just both got their chance at the free throw line. All players stepped up and decided it just in a different way

[stammina0721]

This is the major thing here, these guys are 8-0 in games decided by 6 points or less, that's amazing. The resilency of this team is second to none, and that'll be some damn good experience heading into the NCAA Tournament.

9-0 sir

[GIMMFD]

9-0 sir

Sorry, I stand corrected!! I think the craziest thing actually now thinking about it is that we won a game on the road in Omaha, where Tre had 6 points, we shot 15% from the 3, and only had 9 FT attempts.. wow.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Good teams often get the breaks. It was really tough for the ref to call that last 2 fouls, esp at the end of a very close game.

[stammina0721]

Yeah this team won inside today. We truly can play any style

[Jesuit4Life]

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/962442192831832065

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[X-band '01]

Amazing that Xavier now 9-0 in games decided under 6 points. Judging by the scoreboard, they're going to be hosting a really desperate Seton Hall team come Wednesday night.

[GoMuskies]

Creighton fans aren't taking this well.

[xukeith]

The refs called a travel on Sean late in the game that was NOT a travel whatsoever and he should've been shooting free throws on that play.

So true.
That win was the biggest of the year.
Hold home court now and beat @DePaul and @GTown

[SkyWalker]

It was a foul. The ref didn't swallow the whistle.

I agree with you EMP. I think both were technically fouls and the officials didn't swallow their whistles on either one. The only thing that stands out to me is there were limited fouls called in the first 39:55 when there was signicantly more contact.

[whopper]

Creighton really misses Krampel, he looked ridiculously fluid early in the season. Hegner is soft and the other 2 guys looked live Div 2 players. Macura 9 red and I feared he was forgetting to do the little things Nobody played a bad game, Bleuitt and Gates both had a decent number of rebounds and good ball movement, Scruggs was solid and everyone else is on the A game. I find it hard to see a path to beat a full strength Villanova feeding the big men though but I am sure Mack will come up with a good game plan

[X-band '01]

Creighton fans aren't taking this well.

We sure as hell wouldn't. It will be fun to revel in this until we possibly meet them again in the Big East Tournament.

[X-band '01]

Hegner is soft and the other 2 guys looked live Div 2 players.

Manny Suarez was a Fordham transfer - not exactly the caliber of Nova's Eric Paschall. Jacob Epperson is a freshman who had to burn his redshirt because they're thin in the frontcourt.

[XUOWNSUC]

Xavier clinched a first round bye in the Big East Tournament with that win. It was going to happen anyway, but nice to get it over with (especially for those planning on going to New York).

[Josie4432]

Creighton fan here. Unbelievable. X is tremendous -- good enough to win the whole thing good. But that call was criminal.

[GoMuskies]

Creighton fan here. Unbelievable. X is tremendous -- good enough to win the whole thing good. But that call was criminal.

I agree. Trevon barely grazed that guy on his non-shooting arm.

[Josie4432]

A foul on a jump shooter, whose arm gets touched, is markedly different than an out-of-control dribbler and no contact from the player on whom the block is called. Congrats, though. Hell of a game.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

So happy to see Q steadily progressing into a real force, esp offensively.

[GoMuskies]

A foul on a jump shooter, whose arm gets touched, is markedly different than an out-of-control dribbler and no contact from the player on whom the block is called. Congrats, though. Hell of a game.

Q wasn't out of control, and it's really not.

[Cheesehead]

Both calls were fouls by rule but generallly not called so they cancel each other out, imo. Sean's walk was suspect. One thing I think we can all agree on... Len Elmore is absolutely horrible. Not sure how he is employed.

[GoMuskies]

There was also quite a bit of bad perimeter shooting by both teams down the stretch.

[bjf123]

I find it hard to see a path to beat a full strength Villanova feeding the big men though but I am sure Mack will come up with a good game plan

Can’t be thinking about Nova. We’ve got Seton Hall to worry about first.

The foul called on Tre was ticky tack. Q was fouled, but they called it on the wrong guy. 32 went straight up, but 4 was sliding into Q. If you call the one, you have to call the other. A no call on both would have been fine, too.


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[Josie4432]

Q wasn't out of control, and it's really not.

Whatever. You stole one. Good teams find ways, and there is zero debate that X is better than Creighton.

[GoMuskies]

Good luck the rest of the way unless and until we see you in MSG and/or San Antonio.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Whether by luck or skill, it was a great win. We absolutely must fix our shooting woes away from Cintas, though. 0-12 from 3 in the 2nd half. 3-19 for the game. Got some good looks, just didn’t knock em down.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Whatever. You stole one. Good teams find ways, and there is zero debate that X is better than Creighton.

Agree to disagree, Tre’s foul was a bad call with 5 left. Teams like ASU rely on the foul that Q got at the end. It was also a bad call at the end of the game.


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[xavierj]

Whether by luck or skill, it was a great win. We absolutely must fix our shooting woes away from Cintas, though. 0-12 from 3 in the 2nd half. 3-19 for the game. Got some good looks, just didn’t knock em down.

Did you watch the Butler game? 59% from the floor, 48% from 3. Against Seton Hall they were 46% and 37%. Sometimes I think Tre and JP shoot better on the road. Road shooting is not a concern. I think it’s awesome they win when they are not shooting lights out.

[bobbiemcgee]

Creighton fan here. Unbelievable. X is tremendous -- good enough to win the whole thing good.

Nice of Hegner to score a couple points for us. We needed them.

[Muskeagle]

I'm a former high school ref....and here's what I've learned. I'm not criticizing referees in games my team is playing in...because I have NO objectivity. I've complained before....but every game I feel like X is getting rooked....and I go to the opponent's message board and all I see are complaints by them that they are getting rooked. Guys on the Creighton message board are complaining about the call....I get it...but there is actually talk about how they ALWAYS get homered at home. Laughable. Creighton is a notorious place for visitors getting homered.

I KNOW I pick out all the bad calls that don't favor X and conclude we got jobbed. I'm done We all see it the way we want to. Tough calls at the end of the game, but there were THREE tough calls in a row. O'Mara...no travel should have been on the line. Bluiett...well it was a touch foul, but not sure how that tap on his non shooting elbow caused him to fall down. Total sell job...and good for him. Our guys do it all the time too. Last call? If the called it on Hegner...I'm confused, but if they called it on Harrelll, well, there was a lot of contact on a shooter and a defender who was moving into his path after the shooter left the ground. If you're keeping score on those three calls it's +3 pts for CU and net zero for X. Lots of time the last call doesn't happen. But lots of time the call on Bluiett doesn't happen either. Plus the call on O'Mara. BUT this is the rabbit hole, a Blue Jay fan can easily say, well what about the moving screen on the possession before that...and then the X fan says, well, yeah, but that ball went off of Thomas's fingertip....I mean it's endless and we have to admit that we don't see the game objectively.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Did you watch the Butler game? 59% from the floor, 48% from 3. Against Seton Hall they were 46% and 37%. Sometimes I think Tre and JP shoot better on the road. Road shooting is not a concern. I think it’s awesome they win when they are not shooting lights out.

FG % isn’t a concern because of our mismatches and high percentage shots inside. Shooting is really only concerning from 3.

@ Creighton: 3-19
@ St Johns: 8-26
@ Villanova: 3-17
@ Providence: 5-18

That’s 19-80; or 23.75% from 3. Throw in 10-21 @ Butler and 9-24 @ Seton Hall and 7-22 @ Marquette and we are 45-147; or 30.6% on the road from 3 in league play.

Not horrendous, but compare that to 3 point shooting at home in league play:

Vs DePaul 4-22
Vs Butler 8-20
Vs Creighton 11-24
Vs St. Johns 14-26
Vs Marquette 7-16
Vs Georgetown 11-30

That’s 55-138; or 40% from 3 at home in league play. Of course, every team shoots better at home, but IMO it’s a large enough difference to cause concern in a lose and go home format.

[stammina0721]

Both calls were fouls by rule but generallly not called so they cancel each other out, imo. Sean's walk was suspect. One thing I think we can all agree on... Len Elmore is absolutely horrible. Not sure how he is employed.

I dont mind Len Elmore. I think overall the Fox Announcers are heads and shoulders better than ESPN announcers

[stammina0721]

FG % isn’t a concern because of our mismatches and high percentage shots inside. Shooting is really only concerning from 3.

@ Creighton: 3-19
@ St Johns: 8-26
@ Villanova: 3-17
@ Providence: 5-18

That’s 19-80; or 23.75% from 3. Throw in 10-21 @ Butler and 9-24 @ Seton Hall and 7-22 @ Marquette and we are 45-147; or 30.6% on the road from 3 in league play.

Not horrendous, but compare that to 3 point shooting at home in league play:

Vs DePaul 4-22
Vs Butler 8-20
Vs Creighton 11-24
Vs St. Johns 14-26
Vs Marquette 7-16
Vs Georgetown 11-30

That’s 55-138; or 40% from 3 at home in league play. Of course, every team shoots better at home, but IMO it’s a large enough difference to cause concern in a lose and go home format.

Or the Big East is that Damn good and Xavier playing non Big East teams is gonna be awesome to see just like in the regular season. We only lost to Arizona State cause they hit a stupid number of 3's

[xudash]

I dont mind Len Elmore. I think overall the Fox Announcers are heads and shoulders better than ESPN announcers

Agree about the Fox announcers.

Don't get excited about Elmore, but I don't despise him.

That noted, towards the end, he was calling for X to call a timeout when the screen showed us with zero of them remaining.

[paulxu]

Sometimes that stuff is hard to make sense of.

In the National Championship game last year, Gonzaga shot 42.1 % from 3.

North Carolina shot 14.8% from 3.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I was shocked they called that foul but I am glad we won and I wish Creighton all the best. I like their program. Trey hit the guys arm shooting the three so I hate to see them call that but it was the right call. I think we stole one today and that’s fine with me.

[stammina0721]

I was shocked they called that foul but I am glad we won and I wish Creighton all the best. I like their program. Trey hit the guys arm shooting the three so I hate to see them call that but it was the right call. I think we stole one today and that’s fine with me.

It just may be destiny just like Gonzaga last year. Let's hope for a slightly better result though. X can beat anyone except WV and NC State

[GoMuskies]

X can't beat WV or NC State?

Alrighty then

[Cheesehead]

It just may be destiny just like Gonzaga last year. Let's hope for a slightly better result though. X can beat anyone except WV and NC State

You hitting the Vodka again tonight?

[Lloyd Braun]

You hitting the Vodka with cranberry again tonight?

*with cranberry

[Xuperman]

Has to be something more than that. I'm thinking glue??

[bleedXblue]

[QUOTE=Lloyd Braun;610817]*with cranberry[/QUOTE

no way.....straight Vodka

[Lloyd Braun]

I was just giving benefit of the doubt based on this:

Well there may or may not be a very large bottle of Kettle One with cranberry juice in the fridge that I may or may not partake in during Xavier games!!!

Glue makes way more sense though...

[Lloyd Braun]

Look just everyone do yourself a favor... bet the over and collect around 4:45

Hope you didn’t bet your piggy bank

[xavierj]

It just may be destiny just like Gonzaga last year. Let's hope for a slightly better result though. X can beat anyone except WV and NC State

Huh? :headscratch:

[xu82]

Ummmm, I was traveling and had my son record game for me. I forgot to ask to add the next show recorded. Replay ended with 4.6 seconds left, shooting FT’s to tie, and possibly take lead. What the hell happened!!!!!!!!

[paulxu]

That was at the 0.3 mark.

[markchal]

I sure hope the Creighton fans aren't taking it well. The whole point of a message board is to vent and have some community with whatever misery/elation you're feeling. Fact is, we got screwed on the O'Mara travel call, and if you call the Tre foul you have to call the block at the end. Either way, this team keeps doing what they need to do to win. I know some Creighton fans are already starting in with the "see you at MSG" talk, but they do not faze me a bit away from their home floor. We let them crawl back into that game and I think we take a neutral court game without question.

Seton is gonna be swinging for the fences Wednesday, and it's a textbook trap game with Nova on the horizon. Hoping the jolt of excitement of coming home after a PHENOMENAL week on the road will have our crowd and our team jacked up.

What a league.

[Jesuit4Life]

Ummmm, I was traveling and had my son record game for me. I forgot to ask to add the next show recorded. Replay ended with 4.6 seconds left, shooting FT’s to tie, and possibly take lead. What the hell happened!!!!!!!!Creighton made all 3 FTs. Skip to 0:40 here
https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/962455191235670016

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[xu82]

Anyone have a way to see the final 4.6 seconds? Lousy time for the recording to end!

Agreed, Sean did NOT travel, but he did miss and we were unlikely to get the ball. A thousand things decide a close game.....including some clutch FT’s!

[xu82]

Creighton made all 3 FTs. Skip to 0:40 here
https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/962455191235670016

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Getting blocked by the man....public reps for that!!! Thanks!

I’ll take it. Awesome win!

[whopper]

I have watched basketball since UCLA v Houston in Astrodome so have seen a lot of games. I have never seen a player get as low as Kanter in establishing a base, sealing the post, and dribbling into the middle very low and able to go in either direction. If he doesn't make the next level (he will at least in Europe) he should start a big man low post camp as he is almost phenomenally successful on offense. I really can't believe his percentage given I have seen only 2 dunks

[bjf123]

The game is being replayed on FS Ohio Alt right now. That’s channel 601 on CinBell Fioptics.


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[xu82]

I have watched basketball since UCLA v Houston in Astrodome so have seen a lot of games. I have never seen a player get as low as Kanter in establishing a base, sealing the post, and dribbling into the middle very low and able to go in either direction. If he doesn't make the next level (he will at least in Europe) he should start a big man low post camp as he is almost phenomenally successful on offense. I really can't believe his percentage given I have seen only 2 dunks

Yeah, Naji has been much more than I expected, but Kanter is my most pleasant surprise of the season. Amazing!

[gladdenguy]

A foul on a jump shooter, whose arm gets touched, is markedly different than an out-of-control dribbler and no contact from the player on whom the block is called. Congrats, though. Hell of a game.

No contact? You clearly didn't watch the play. Plenty of contact and Harrell was leaning sideways into him. Easy call ESPECIALLY after the flop that was called against Tre.

[mistabeecee41]

Last year everybody defended Creighton fans when I said they’re kind of arrogantly pricks.

Look at twitter and see if you disagree now

[paulxu]

Just was looking at some of the game stats as I couldn't watch today.

We out rebounded them 42 to 29.
Macura led the team with 9 boards! (and had 0 turnovers)
His 15 pts was second behind Goodin's 17.

Nice game by JP Macura!

[bobbiemcgee]

and a Yuge put-back on the missed 3 to go ahead I believe 70-68.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Both calls were fouls by rule but generallly not called so they cancel each other out, imo. Sean's walk was suspect. One thing I think we can all agree on... Len Elmore is absolutely horrible. Not sure how he is employed.

HA agree with this. Elmore is so bad, maybe not Dickey Simpkins bad but very close.

Also not sure why people dont think Trevon hit the shooters arm. It may have not been big but he definitely hit him, that seemed more foul than what we got at the end.

If we were called for that foul at the end that Creighton was called for I would have broke my TV.

Anyway glad we got the win!!!! Huge! Lets go X.

[D-West & PO-Z]

HA agree with this. Elmore is so bad, maybe not Dickey Simpkins bad but very close.

Also not sure why people dont think Trevon hit the shooters arm. It may have not been big but he definitely hit him, that seemed more foul than what we got at the end.

If we were called for that foul at the end that Creighton was called for I would have broke my TV.

Anyway glad we got the win!!!! Huge! Lets go X.

You know I rewatched Trevons foul. He definitely hit the guys arm but it was the non shooting arm and it was definitely not blatant. Really surprised either of the fouls was called.

[xu82]

You know I rewatched Trevons foul. He definitely hit the guys arm but it was the non shooting arm and it was definitely not blatant. Really surprised either of the fouls was called.

The funny part was the guy falling down on Tre’s elbow touch. I realize that’s what they do but....funny to watch. Flopping?

In the end, it seems we are blessed so far for the most part. Deep, talented, well coached.... and blessed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The funny part was the guy falling down on Tre’s elbow touch. I realize that’s what they do but....funny to watch. Flopping?

In the end, it seems we are blessed so far for the most part. Deep, talented, well coached.... and blessed.

Yeah he definitely flopped but I am sure players are coached to do that if they are touched.

Tre has got a couple Reggie Miller like foul calls from three himself with kicking his leg out.

[xu82]

Yeah he definitely flopped but I am sure players are coached to do that if they are touched.

Tre has got a couple Reggie Miller like foul calls from three himself with kicking his leg out.

No doubt! But that may have broken new ground! Haha

[scoscox]

Creighton fans took a hard pivot from "well, he did touch his arm", to "no matter the contact, you can't make that call in that situation". truly remarkable

[American X]

You know I rewatched Trevons foul. He definitely hit the guys arm but it was the non shooting arm and it was definitely not blatant. Really surprised either of the fouls was called.

Why would anyone be surprised that refs call any foul? Refs LOVE to call fouls. It is their raison d'etre. It is the only thing that brings joy to their blackened, shriveled souls.

That is why I love how we executed the last possession instead of jacking a wild 3. Refs are dying to call that foul.

[XUPete]

A few thoughts...

-the foul on Harrell was a long overdue makeup call for Sumner’s charge vs. Wisconsin. :)
-JP’s stats showed good, but had he not attempted that 25’ 3-pointer and instead looked for a good shot we might not have needed the luck we got...that was just a terrible decision
-Scruggs is going to be great, he gets better every game. There is almost nothing worse as a fan than watching a new point guard develop...it is just painful. Scruggs is now starting to work his way out of that difficult time.
-Getting Tyrique back will be a huge plus...I believe we would have fouled out more of their front line yesterday had he played.
-I wonder when/if Harden will get any playing time. Can’t help but wonder what we have in Elias.

[bleedXblue]

A few thoughts...

-the foul on Harrell was a long overdue makeup call for Sumner’s charge vs. Wisconsin. :)
-JP’s stats showed good, but had he not attempted that 25’ 3-pointer and instead looked for a good shot we might not have needed the luck we got...that was just a terrible decision
-Scruggs is going to be great, he gets better every game. There is almost nothing worse as a fan than watching a new point guard develop...it is just painful. Scruggs is now starting to work his way out of that difficult time.
-Getting Tyrique back will be a huge plus...I believe we would have fouled out more of their front line yesterday had he played.
-I wonder when/if Harden will get any playing time. Can’t help but wonder what we have in Elias.

Good point on Harden. This team is VERY deep. I hope its simply that and not that he really isn't progressing at this level. Would hate to lose 3/5 of the recruiting class.

[American X]

Whether Trevon barely grazed Harrell's arm or not is immaterial. The ref called the foul because Harrell fell backward like he had been shot with a .45.

[markchal]

Good point on Harden. This team is VERY deep. I hope its simply that and not that he really isn't progressing at this level. Would hate to lose 3/5 of the recruiting class.

It's actually not THAT deep. Don't we only have 10 scholarship players? And Harden still only sees walk-on minutes. If he was progressing, you'd at least see him in some spots when we're up 15-20 in the second half, before the final 90 seconds of the game. Not worried about transfer though, because he literally becomes the 6th or 7th man next year by default.

edit: while not deep in numbers, the 9 we play are pretty strong and each brings something unique.

[bleedXblue]

It's actually not THAT deep. Don't we only have 10 scholarship players? And Harden still only sees walk-on minutes. If he was progressing, you'd at least see him in some spots when we're up 15-20 in the second half, before the final 90 seconds of the game. Not worried about transfer though, because he literally becomes the 6th or 7th man next year by default.

edit: while not deep in numbers, the 9 we play are pretty strong and each brings something unique.

thats what I meant...not many teams actually playing a regular rotation of 9 players.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The fact that we have 9 players playing regular substantial minutes makes us a very deep team. The 10th guy on most teams doesnt get much if any run. I dont think Harden not getting minutes right now says anything about his development.

[GIMMFD]

The fact that we have 9 players playing regular substantial minutes makes us a very deep team. The 10th guy on most teams doesnt get much if any run. I dont think Harden not getting minutes right now says anything about his development.

Yup I agree, I think it just means that everyone else ahead of him is much better at this stage, plus you don't want to tinker too much with a rotation you've established, it could throw a little chemistry off. Harden will be fine in the future, just proud of the way Scruggs and Marshall have developed.

[xudash]

Facebook has a Xavier post of highlights of the Creighton game, focusing on our bigs. Recall, JP's great no-look curl-around pass to Sean for 2.

What you'll notice if you keep watching JP is that he goes to the floor, into the Creighton cheerleaders. He seems to check to make sure they're okay before he gets up.

On the one hand, he stages an opportunity to "meet" the young ladies. On the other hand, he shows the courteous side of JP.

A Renaissance Man.

[GetUp5]

Haven't scrolled through the entire thread, but saw Len Elmore came up in the conversation. How about him saying Xavier should get the ball to half court and call another timeout to set up a play at the end of the game? Xavier had 0 timeouts left.

I was talking to my dad about it -- it's really to the point with a lot of these announcers that they're just background noise. There are SO many instances where they're informed or not looking at the right stuff. I was watching a game the other night on ESPN2 with a couple no name guys and the refs were clearly reviewing an out of bounds call and they kept blabbering about the clock being right and the refs wasting time on reviews, blah blah blah. Then the refs overturned the call and changed the possession - and neither announcer even knew they were looking at that.

Need Gus and Raf for every game plz.

[Cheesehead]

Haven't scrolled through the entire thread, but saw Len Elmore came up in the conversation. How about him saying Xavier should get the ball to half court and call another timeout to set up a play at the end of the game? Xavier had 0 timeouts left.

I was talking to my dad about it -- it's really to the point with a lot of these announcers that they're just background noise. There are SO many instances where they're informed or not looking at the right stuff. I was watching a game the other night on ESPN2 with a couple no name guys and the refs were clearly reviewing an out of bounds call and they kept blabbering about the clock being right and the refs wasting time on reviews, blah blah blah. Then the refs overturned the call and changed the possession - and neither announcer even knew they were looking at that.

Need Gus and Raf for every game plz.

Amen.

[boozehound]

It's actually not THAT deep. Don't we only have 10 scholarship players? And Harden still only sees walk-on minutes. If he was progressing, you'd at least see him in some spots when we're up 15-20 in the second half, before the final 90 seconds of the game. Not worried about transfer though, because he literally becomes the 6th or 7th man next year by default.

edit: while not deep in numbers, the 9 we play are pretty strong and each brings something unique.

How often have we been up 15-20 in the second half, though? I'm not worried about Harden's minutes. He will either earn playing time next year or he won't. He looks like he need to add some bulk before contributing significantly anyways.

[mistabeecee41]

How often have we been up 15-20 in the second half, though? I'm not worried about Harden's minutes. He will either earn playing time next year or he won't. He looks like he need to add some bulk before contributing significantly anyways.

This. Absolutely 0 worries about Harden being in the rotation. Look around the league - there are plenty of heralded freshmen who are out of rotations simply because they're behind older guys. Ashton Langford, Jermaine Samuels, etc.

[bobbiemcgee]

Creighton fans took a hard pivot from "well, he did touch his arm", to "no matter the contact, you can't make that call in that situation". truly remarkable

We need to be nice to the Jays fans, they had a chance to buy up most of the NCAA tickets as part of their season ticket package and scarfed them all up.

[Masterofreality]

We need to be nice to the Jays fans, they had a chance to buy up most of the NCAA tickets as part of their season ticket package and scarfed them all up.

I have absolutely NO problem with Creighton fans. Been there. Was treated well and sat next to some at the Big East Tourney last year. Had some damn good discussions. These folks and Greg McDermott are a credit to college basketball and our league.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Haven't scrolled through the entire thread, but saw Len Elmore came up in the conversation. How about him saying Xavier should get the ball to half court and call another timeout to set up a play at the end of the game? Xavier had 0 timeouts left.

I was talking to my dad about it -- it's really to the point with a lot of these announcers that they're just background noise. There are SO many instances where they're informed or not looking at the right stuff. I was watching a game the other night on ESPN2 with a couple no name guys and the refs were clearly reviewing an out of bounds call and they kept blabbering about the clock being right and the refs wasting time on reviews, blah blah blah. Then the refs overturned the call and changed the possession - and neither announcer even knew they were looking at that.

Need Gus and Raf for every game plz.

Right there with you. Seems every game there are announcers who literally have no idea what is happening during reviews or foul call vs out of bounds or something similar. Or dumb comments like the timeout one by Elmore. He said get to half court and call another timeout. 1. X didnt have a timeout. 2. They didnt call the timeout that had just been called. They used their last one after the first of 3 FTs and McDermott called one after all three were made.

Speaking of, bet McDermott wished he hadnt called a timeout after the FTs.

[mid major]

Right there with you. Seems every game there are announcers who literally have no idea what is happening during reviews or foul call vs out of bounds or something similar. Or dumb comments like the timeout one by Elmore. He said get to half court and call another timeout. 1. X didnt have a timeout. 2. They didnt call the timeout that had just been called. They used their last one after the first of 3 FTs and McDermott called one after all three were made.

Speaking of, bet McDermott wished he hadnt called a timeout after the FTs.

Didn't think about this. You are absolutely correct. McDermott basically gave Xavier another time out and time to plan for Q's last play.

[Muskie]

Didn’t Creighton call back to back timeouts at the end ? Or am I thinking of a different sequence?


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[Lloyd Braun]

Didn't think about this. You are absolutely correct. McDermott basically gave Xavier another time out and time to plan for Q's last play.

I’m fairly certain Mack had the play already called after the first FT timeout. Creighton had their bigs in rebounding and needed them back to defend the hoop. Both teams knew what the play was going to be. I thought Creighton did a decent job defending it until it got to the paint.

[Lloyd Braun]

Didn’t Creighton call back to back timeouts at the end ? Or am I thinking of a different sequence?


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That’s what I thought too... however the box score says there were two timeouts after the last made free throw. First by creighton, second by X. Then Creighton TO after Q made his FTS

[xuwin]

This. Absolutely 0 worries about Harden being in the rotation. Look around the league - there are plenty of heralded freshmen who are out of rotations simply because they're behind older guys. Ashton Langford, Jermaine Samuels, etc.

They are usually redshirted if the team values them that way. This is basically a wasted year for Harden.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

They are usually redshirted if the team values them that way. This is basically a wasted year for Harden.

We needed Harden to get some minutes this year since he'll be playing a pretty major role next year. Also if any of our current guards/wings got hurt he'd be the one seeing increased minutes. Couldn't afford to red shirt him this year with how thin we'll be next season.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

He is getting the minutes he is earning. It is tough to play when you two seniors, a sophomore, and two freshmen who are a year older than you all in front of you for minutes.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

That’s what I thought too... however the box score says there were two timeouts after the last made free throw. First by creighton, second by X. Then Creighton TO after Q made his FTS

This is not right, the box score has to be wrong, unless I am losing my mind.

Mack called a TO right after first FT, that was our last.

McDermott then called a timeout after 3rd FT and then again after seeing our configuration after the TO.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’m fairly certain Mack had the play already called after the first FT timeout. Creighton had their bigs in rebounding and needed them back to defend the hoop. Both teams knew what the play was going to be. I thought Creighton did a decent job defending it until it got to the paint.

Yeah but resetting and getting time to set up after a TO as opposed to having 5 seconds after the made FT to get everything set up was a big advantage imo.

[Cheesehead]

He is getting the minutes he is earning. It is tough to play when you two seniors, a sophomore, and two freshmen who are a year older than you all in front of you for minutes.


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Agreed and Mack has basically said this during his shows. Mack seems pleased with Harden's effort during practice but it's just a numbers game right now.

[GIMMFD]

We needed Harden to get some minutes this year since he'll be playing a pretty major role next year. Also if any of our current guards/wings got hurt he'd be the one seeing increased minutes. Couldn't afford to red shirt him this year with how thin we'll be next season.

Yeah we're acting like he didn't play a single minute all game or something like that, it's a small small stretch of time, but he has seen what the game looks like at the division 1 level, he'll continue to practice hard and improve, and hopefully become a contributor next year, not terribly worried if he redshirted or not.