ud to big east? (NO)

[xuinmd]

My ud friend tells me there is renewed chatter at ud regarding their joining the big east. It might makes sense with Georgetown, DePaul and St Johns showing improvement. The conference might want a new whipping boy. Seriously, I don't think it will ever happen because so many members want to keep a school in their marketing area out that these schools form a coalition against expansion.

[Muskie]

I'd be surprised. Who would be the other team joining? They aren't going to add just one.

[JTG]

I'd be surprised. Who would be the other team joining? They aren't going to add just one.

Always seems to be chatter about UCONN.

[GoMuskies]

I'm pretty sure UConn has an open invitation whenever they're ready to stop pretending that football is going to happen in any meaningful way for them. Dayton? No.

[xuwin]

Always seems to be chatter about UCONN.

As long as UCONN has a football team I don't think you will see them in the Big East again.

[XU 87]

What does UD add in terms of increased revenue for the league? From everything I've heard, If UD joins the BE, revenues will be decreased for each team because there are more mouths to feed. Fox tv revenue doesn't increase if two more teams join the league.

[xukeith]

No more Ohio schools.
Indiana, Ohio and west of Mississippi is covered.

[X-band '01]

My ud friend tells me

The rest of the paragraph is irrelevant after that introduction. At least until someone outside of their sphere of influence brings it up.

There are a bunch of UConn fans in social media more vocal about rejoining the Big East, but there's no way the American lets them move their other sports over there while still retaining FBS football.

[xudash]

My ud friend tells me there is renewed chatter at ud regarding their joining the big east. It might makes sense with Georgetown, DePaul and St Johns showing improvement. The conference might want a new whipping boy. Seriously, I don't think it will ever happen because so many members want to keep a school in their marketing area out that these schools form a coalition against expansion.

Your friend is clueless.

[joe titan]

Actually UD has opportunity to join AAC.

[paulxu]

What does UD add in terms of increased revenue for the league? From everything I've heard, If UD joins the BE, revenues will be decreased for each team because there are more mouths to feed. Fox tv revenue doesn't increase if two more teams join the league.

I'm pretty sure this is not correct. There is room in the Fox contract to add up to 2 more teams, and have the same revenue for each team.

As to adding 2, I keep thinking if we do add, it'll be 1 team. That would leave us with the round robin and a new 20 game conference schedule that the ACC and Big 10 are already moving to. (ending sentence with preposition)

[usfldan]

My ud friend tells me there is renewed chatter at ud regarding their joining the big east. It might makes sense with Georgetown, DePaul and St Johns showing improvement. The conference might want a new whipping boy. Seriously, I don't think it will ever happen because so many members want to keep a school in their marketing area out that these schools form a coalition against expansion.

So their sales pitch is, "We stink, so you should let us in. Your league needs more bad teams like us."? Nice try.

[GetUp5]

Unfortunately for UD, they probably missed their window. With Archie gone, the season they're having so far, and being in close proximity to Xavier... They realistically bring nothing to the table.

[GoMuskies]

So their sales pitch is, "We stink, so you should let us in. Your league needs more bad teams like us."? Nice try.

If you've ever spent any time on the Holy Land of Hoops board, you'd know that there is a Bona fan who has been making that exact pitch for a while now. It's quite goofy.

[vee4xu]

I think that the BE is content with the round robin/home and home format that 10 teams provides. This sounds like something that ud fans create in the alternative basketball universe in which they live. The BE has begun hitting its stride the past couple of years. A national champion, great OOC conference record, several Top 25 teams and decent NCAA tourney performance, apart form Villanova's NC. The flyers are pretty much stuck in the A-10 or some other lesser conference than the BE.

[X-band '01]

So their sales pitch is, "We stink, so you should let us in. Your league needs more bad teams like us."? Nice try.

By that logic, we could just add Saint Louis and Duquesne!

[xukeith]

Anyone here know what the Fox Sport channel brings to the BE monetarily?
Is it all shared equally among 10 teams?

[X-band '01]

It's either $3 million or $5 million that each school gets via the deal. The deal runs through the 2022-23 season.

For UConn, this is the next to last year they get NCAA Tournament units from the Old Big East. They will also reap the benefits of NCAA Tournament units for 3 more years from their 2014 national championship along with units that Louisville, Memphis and Cincinnati earned that year as well. Ever since that year, the American has been more on par with the Atlantic 10.

I'm not sure how many more years are remaining that they get the rewards of exit fees from the Old Big East.

[GIMMFD]

Our league is fine how it is, we're looking at 7 teams possibly getting in. If we're adding anybody, they better be teams that can raise the profile of the league, nobody needs UD to beat the living hell out of each year

[xudash]

Haven't thought this one all the way through with comic intent yet, but here is a version of a best possible outcome with this:

1. Anthony Grant stays at VD for 5 more years, achieving enough success not to fire him.

2. "Success" means different things to different people. For VD fans, success over the next five years means making it to the NCAA Tournament and losing immediately once and advancing to the second round of the NIT once. It also means at least one year of being co-champs in the A10 with Fordham. It finally means that red sweater vest inventories are made a priority at the bookstore.

3. As 2023 dawns, it becomes clear that the great NBE experiment as pursued by the C7 was no experiment at all. The redefined Big East simply kept juggernauting along to sustain itself as one of the top 3 basketball conferences in the nation. Expansion, even for the purpose of establishing 20 conference games per season, simply isn't necessary; it actually would be a remarkable mistake to change what has been a very successful format. The 10 team, round robin format wins hands down.

4. VD is desperate for change, because, among many other issues with the A10, the lead paint in Gola Arena, which LaSalle refuses to remove, is making the VD players sicker than they were made from Philly Cheesesteaks.

5. The AAC, also a hot mess that never went anywhere in football and will go nowhere in football, reaches out to VD with an invitation for membership.

6. So, now VD and UC have to play home and home. Cronin is still at UC, coaching from a wheelchair because he blew a gasket after losing to Xavier five more times in a row.

7. VD proudly soaks up half the seats in the 5/3 Arena because UC attendance has been dwindling since 2018. BTW, another benchmark for VD success - fan support of crap hoops.

8. A bench clearing brawl ensues.

9. Rinse and repeat when the game is played in Dayton.

10. The home team NEVER wins a game in the series.

11. Both teams never do better than East Carolina in the conference standings.

Note: this was possibly a waste of 10 minutes of my life.

[stammina0721]

This is a UD pipe dream. Two and only 2 schools make sense. As one said before when Uconn wants to stop pretending football matters there then they come back for history sake. After that only one school makes sense and that is Wichita State to give Creighton a more natural rival. No other schools including UD even have a chance and quite honestly I'm 100% against any expansion. This is the best conference for basketball in America

[Lloyd Braun]

Can we delete this thread somehow? It’s offensive.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

I'm pretty sure this is not correct. There is room in the Fox contract to add up to 2 more teams, and have the same revenue for each team.

As to adding 2, I keep thinking if we do add, it'll be 1 team. That would leave us with the round robin and a new 20 game conference schedule that the ACC and Big 10 are already moving to. (ending sentence with preposition)

Never end a sentence with a preposition unless you have to.

[xu82]

Never end a sentence with a preposition unless you have to.

That’s the kind of info you can’t have too much of!

[bjf123]

That’s the kind of info you can’t have too much of!

Depends on where you’re from.


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[paulxu]

Anyone here know what the Fox Sport channel brings to the BE monetarily?
Is it all shared equally among 10 teams?


The new Big East yesterday formally inked a 12-year, $500M contract with Fox Sports, a “sum that will rise" to $600M if, "as expected, the league expands to 12 members

About $4 million/year/team (maybe some differences in early years for newest members)

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2013/03/21/Media/Big-East-MWC.aspx

I'd like to believe they won't expand past 10, like Dash says.
But, I think the inventory desire from Fox may be strong, and push us to the 20 game conference schedule. I'd love that to mean only one addition to keep the round robin. It's a shame St Louis didn't take off like they could have. Geographically good and good facilities. Basketball just pokes along though.

[sirthought]

For the sake of discussion...and I am in no way serious about this, but it would possibly be of value...

- add Fordham University (Catholic / The have football, but that seems to already be squared away in the Patriot League)

- get them some money to build some damn facilities

- hope we can get a bigger lock on the NYC metro region, as that still holds sway with some players, being a media and sports capital.


I know the program was hopeless forever and their gym is perhaps not equal to some high schools, but as a school they do hit certain Big East criteria. I'd worry if they did struggle to improve if that would drag the conference overall. Again, not serious, but I'd find this more interesting than Dayton or St. Louis.

[paulxu]

Apparently Ackerman commented on it last month, in responding to inquiries about the 20 game conference schedule change by some of the other leagues:


Big East Notebook: As others expand conference slate, league is content — for now | The Athletic
Ackerman says she sees the Big East staying at 10 members for the “near-to-medium” term. The Big East can keep the home-and-home format between all of its schools by adding one member. “One-school expansion for us would be the most-likely scenario,” she says.

https://www.vuhoops.com/2017/12/21/16804290/villanova-news-links-big-east-expansion-uconn-gonzaga

[GoMuskies]

"near-to-medium" term = until UConn comes to their senses

[xu koop scoop]

Can we delete this thread somehow? It’s offensive.
Agree it is rather offensive. How dare XU posters snub so called lesser schools & conferences. We were one of those until we joined the BE. If Butler, Creighton & XU don't join the BE - then the BE might have become a lesser conference. The AAC has former BE members UConn & UC, Mo Val power Wichita St, A10 power Temple, CUSA power Memphis and very comparable to our old A10. Dayton has played in several Elite 8s plus lost to UCLA in the 67 Finals. WE HAVE BECOME WHAT HE HATED - SNUBBING OUR NOSES AT OTHERS. Go NKU, my new local school doing what we did 30 yrs ago. But I don't want UD or any other schools added to the BE. Fox Sports or other TV can possibly override the Conference wishes not to expand.

[GoMuskies]

WE HAVE BECOME WHAT HE HATED - SNUBBING OUR NOSES AT OTHERS.

Other than Wichita State (and UConn's first year in the AAC with Big East recruits), please explain how any of those others are doing anything comparable to what Xavier did in the Matta/Miller/Mack years that fueled our escape from the A-10? UC is the closest second, and they have been to the Sweet Sixteen once in the last 17 years. Kind of where Xavier was when Matta showed up. No one was thinking of rescuing us from the A-10 in those days.

[Lloyd Braun]

Agree it is rather offensive. How dare XU posters snub so called lesser schools & conferences. We were one of those until we joined the BE. If Butler, Creighton & XU don't join the BE - then the BE might have become a lesser conference. The AAC has former BE members UConn & UC, Mo Val power Wichita St, A10 power Temple, CUSA power Memphis and very comparable to our old A10. Dayton has played in several Elite 8s plus lost to UCLA in the 67 Finals. WE HAVE BECOME WHAT HE HATED - SNUBBING OUR NOSES AT OTHERS. Go NKU, my new local school doing what we did 30 yrs ago. But I don't want UD or any other schools added to the BE. Fox Sports or other TV can possibly override the Conference wishes not to expand.

Actually I was snubbing my nose at ud. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

[nuts4xu]

How dare XU posters snub so called lesser schools & conferences.

Easily...we were the flagship of the A-10, and carried that conference on our backs for over a decade. We needed a better conference, and found one. Xavier actually cares about its basketball program, and sets aside resources to help us continue to improve.

The hell with dayton and the "lesser schools & conferences". They hate us cause they AIN'T us!!

They can all eat a bag of BBQ flavored dicks!!

[X-band '01]

For the sake of discussion...and I am in no way serious about this, but it would possibly be of value...

- add Fordham University (Catholic / The have football, but that seems to already be squared away in the Patriot League)

- get them some money to build some damn facilities

- hope we can get a bigger lock on the NYC metro region, as that still holds sway with some players, being a media and sports capital.


I know the program was hopeless forever and their gym is perhaps not equal to some high schools, but as a school they do hit certain Big East criteria. I'd worry if they did struggle to improve if that would drag the conference overall. Again, not serious, but I'd find this more interesting than Dayton or St. Louis.

Even if Fordham had a program and an AD/President with a pulse, it's not going to happen when they place a higher emphasis on football than basketball. Hell, UConn would solidify the NYC market more than Fordham would.


Agree it is rather offensive. How dare XU posters snub so called lesser schools & conferences. We were one of those until we joined the BE. If Butler, Creighton & XU don't join the BE - then the BE might have become a lesser conference. The AAC has former BE members UConn & UC, Mo Val power Wichita St, A10 power Temple, CUSA power Memphis and very comparable to our old A10. Dayton has played in several Elite 8s plus lost to UCLA in the 67 Finals. WE HAVE BECOME WHAT HE HATED - SNUBBING OUR NOSES AT OTHERS. Go NKU, my new local school doing what we did 30 yrs ago. But I don't want UD or any other schools added to the BE. Fox Sports or other TV can possibly override the Conference wishes not to expand.

You're also forgetting what drives expansion now. It's not just on-court merit, but it's also bringing in new markets to the league. UConn not only increases the metro NYC market but also brings more of a New England presence. At the same time, one of the reasons that the New Big East chose Creighton over Saint Louis was to not completely pillage the A-10, either.

[X-band '01]

This is a UD pipe dream. Two and only 2 schools make sense. As one said before when Uconn wants to stop pretending football matters there then they come back for history sake. After that only one school makes sense and that is Wichita State to give Creighton a more natural rival. No other schools including UD even have a chance and quite honestly I'm 100% against any expansion. This is the best conference for basketball in America

Wichita State would not garner the necessary 7 votes for expansion - that's why they ultimately accepted an invite to the American. There's also the possibility that they add FBS football in the next decade - that would be the ultimate deal-breaker if they were on the table.

[chico]

Agree it is rather offensive. How dare XU posters snub so called lesser schools & conferences. We were one of those until we joined the BE. If Butler, Creighton & XU don't join the BE - then the BE might have become a lesser conference. The AAC has former BE members UConn & UC, Mo Val power Wichita St, A10 power Temple, CUSA power Memphis and very comparable to our old A10. Dayton has played in several Elite 8s plus lost to UCLA in the 67 Finals. WE HAVE BECOME WHAT HE HATED - SNUBBING OUR NOSES AT OTHERS. Go NKU, my new local school doing what we did 30 yrs ago. But I don't want UD or any other schools added to the BE. Fox Sports or other TV can possibly override the Conference wishes not to expand.

That's a lot of power right there, but most of that power was back in the 80's and 90's. And bringing up Dayton's loss in the 67 NCAA's? Really, just go back to the Dayton board already.

And how dare you snub schools like Jacksonville (the school not the city - trademark, XU87), San Francisco, Indiana State, Rutgers and UNC Charlotte?

[GoMuskies]

There's also the possibility that they add FBS football in the next decade - that would be the ultimate deal-breaker if they were on the table.

Now that Wichita State is in the American without having to add football, there is an approximately 0% chance they add football. Unless they go to the next 4 Final Fours and win a national championship, I can't imagine the Big East having much interest in expanding into Wichita in any event.

[Olsingledigit]

Never end a sentence with a preposition unless you have to.

That antiquated is no longer required to be complied with!

[Muskie]

Now that Wichita State is in the American without having to add football, there is an approximately 0% chance they add football. Unless they go to the next 4 Final Fours and win a national championship, I can't imagine the Big East having much interest in expanding into Wichita in any event.

I kind of like the thought of SLU. But mostly because it's a driveable road game. SLU would love to get out of the A-10 at this point. Their closest game for all sports is UD.

[paulxu]

I kind of like the thought of SLU. But mostly because it's a driveable road game. SLU would love to get out of the A-10 at this point. Their closest game for all sports is UD.

I'm with you on this one, if we go to 11 and UConn won't give up football.
Market wise, geography wise, and institutional wise it seems like the perfect fit.
If they had just kept on the Majerus trajectory things would be a lot easier.

[MHettel]

a 20 game conference schedule will have a negative effect on the conference (as a whole) RPI and SOS. This assumes that each BE team would have 2 less non-con games to play each year, and the collective record of those non-con games is better than .500.

Adding 2 more conference games for each team would result in adding the same number of wins and losses into the "pool" of games that would make up the W/L pool for the Conference RPI.

[GoMuskies]

It would likely significantly improve the 50% of RPI based on opponents' record, though. Not sure how it would affect opponents' opponents (25%).

[Masterofreality]

I think that the BE is content with the round robin/home and home format that 10 teams provides. This sounds like something that ud fans create in the alternative basketball universe in which they live. The BE has begun hitting its stride the past couple of years. A national champion, great OOC conference record, several Top 25 teams and decent NCAA tourney performance, apart form Villanova's NC. The flyers are pretty much stuck in the A-10 or some other lesser conference than the BE.

See, adding 1 team- UCon- allows the round robin schedule to continue in a 20 League game format. Plus it renews rivalries and gives more TV juice to the New York market for FS1. The ONLY other school that would be considered to break that up would be if Notre Dame wanted a change out. THAT’S IT.

The UDump dreamers can go away. They add nothing to the table and won’t be invited. G’Bye.

[X-band '01]

If UConn joined, you'd also have them lobbying to have the TV rights moved back to the Mothership and away from FS1.

There's also a better chance of Dayton joining the Big East than there is of Notre Dame leaving the ACC. There is an even better chance that Fr. Graham will streak across campus than either of these 3 things happening anytime soon.

[Masterofreality]

I'm with you on this one, if we go to 11 and UConn won't give up football.
Market wise, geography wise, and institutional wise it seems like the perfect fit.
If they had just kept on the Majerus trajectory things would be a lot easier.

StL, UDump, VCU- not Programs, but Personalities. (Majerus, Archie, Shaka-lacka)

[X-band '01]

Hell, VCU misses Will Wade right now. They've slipped compared to last year and LSU went from a wasteland to a possible NCAA Tournament team in Year 1 under Wade.

[XUFan09]

Hell, VCU misses Will Wade right now. They've slipped compared to last year and LSU went from a wasteland to a possible NCAA Tournament team in Year 1 under Wade.Like X, VCU also had a tradition of replacing good coaches with good coaches within the same tree. That tradition seems to have died with Will Wade's departure.

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[paulxu]

StL, UDump, VCU- not Programs, but Personalities. (Majerus, Archie, Shaka-lacka)

Good point.
Still think the TV market, geography and institutional fit are there.
Too bad not a long term, successful program in this century.

[xudash]

Poor VD. Any program that is dumb enough to dump millions of dollars into a toilet piece of architecture that was the bomb in 1969 - but certainly not now - deserves its fate in peonville.

I enjoy that fanbase. They truly believe VD enjoys material advantages over most of the existing BE members. They seem to think that VD continues to develop while other schools are standing still.

They have no idea where Xavier is headed on the development trajectory and probably haven't begun to comprehend what the HUB is going to do for the school once it comes online.

As for expansion in general: no, just not needed presently, for any reason.

If the powers that be want it at some point for their reasons, then it has to be about UCONN. I can't see it any other way. UCONN will come with a host of issues, not the least of which will be an entitled fanbase, but the presumption is that football will be boxed up there before they ever make it into the BE. Those issues will be dwarfed by what UCONN would bring in terms of eyeballs and MSG sellouts, etc.

If expansion is still sought beyond UCONN should UCONN not take the step, then I would think it would be about SLU or - yes, I'm serious - Duquesne. Grab St. Louis or Pittsburgh. But once again and obviously, the BE has the luxury of not being in the business of helping programs resuscitate themselves. Yes, you could argue that UCONN is in that very position right now, but it's a very different duck.

[Masterofreality]

Like X, VCU also had a tradition of replacing good coaches with good coaches within the same tree. That tradition seems to have died with Will Wade's departure.

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Well, Wade is questionable. Just cause he did Ok for a couple of years won-loss wise with Shaka-lacka’s players does not a program make. You need the whole package & Wade left before it became about HIS guys. Now with HIS guys VCU is pedestrian in a trash league. Now Wade is winning with somebody else’s (who everybody knew was a garbage in-game Coach) Players. Call him Randy Ayers Jr.

[Masterofreality]

Poor VD. Any program that is dumb enough to dump millions of dollars into a toilet piece of architecture that was the bomb in 1969 - but certainly not now - deserves its fate in peonville.

I enjoy that fanbase. They truly believe VD enjoys material advantages over most of the existing BE members. They seem to think that VD continues to develop while other schools are standing still.

They have no idea where Xavier is headed on the development trajectory and probably haven't begun to comprehend what the HUB is going to do for the school once it comes online.

As for expansion in general: no, just not needed presently, for any reason.

Public reps since The Mueller Investigation currently has me on a Gag order from Private ones.

[waggy]

Poor VD. Any program that is dumb enough to dump millions of dollars into a toilet piece of architecture that was the bomb in 1969 - but certainly not now - deserves its fate in peonville.

I enjoy that fanbase. They truly believe VD enjoys material advantages over most of the existing BE members. They seem to think that VD continues to develop while other schools are standing still.

They have no idea where Xavier is headed on the development trajectory and probably haven't begun to comprehend what the HUB is going to do for the school once it comes online.

As for expansion in general: no, just not needed presently, for any reason.

If the powers that be want it at some point for their reasons, then it has to be about UCONN. I can't see it any other way. UCONN will come with a host of issues, not the least of which will be an entitled fanbase, but the presumption is that football will be boxed up there before they ever make it into the BE. Those issues will be dwarfed by what UCONN would bring in terms of eyeballs and MSG sellouts, etc.

If expansion is still sought beyond UCONN should UCONN not take the step, then I would think it would be about SLU or - yes, I'm serious - Duquesne. Grab St. Louis or Pittsburgh. But once again and obviously, the BE has the luxury of not being in the business of helping programs resuscitate themselves. Yes, you could argue that UCONN is in that very position right now, but it's a very different duck.


Your best work.

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile VD got rolled at St. Joes last night by 16 in the game on CBSCCCPSN before ours. They are now an impressive 9-9 under Grant. Archie knew when to leave the sinking ship as the sun sinks too.

It's OVER Cryers.....It's over.

[paulxu]

It's OVER Cryers.....It's over.

Sounds like a Roy Orbison song.

[xubrew]

My feelings have not changed....

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?30173-The-Big-East-Should-Never-Expand-EVER

[Masterofreality]

My feelings have not changed....

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?30173-The-Big-East-Should-Never-Expand-EVER

And if you read the CBS Sportsline article that Brew attached, it flatly stated that the only reason to expand it to "Inprove the Quality of the League". The two examples the writer cited was VD and Saint Louis....both of which would have been a HUGE mistake to have expanded with. 2238

[xu koop scoop]

Television at some point may try to dictate expansion for the BE. TV wants awesome ratings & from what I hear, our BE package is just mediocre for ratings.

[GIMMFD]

Television at some point may try to dictate expansion for the BE. TV wants awesome ratings & from what I hear, our BE package is just mediocre for ratings.

Yes but the biggest issue with expansion for us is the whole no football thing. Let's face it, football generates more money than basketball does, and it most likely will be that way for a long long time.

[xubrew]

Television at some point may try to dictate expansion for the BE. TV wants awesome ratings & from what I hear, our BE package is just mediocre for ratings.

No conference that I know of had higher TV ratings in basketball after expanding. Across the board the ratings are actually lower now (by a lot) than they were prior to realignment.

[waggy]

The big east leadership I'm confident is smarter than adding a crap program such as Dayton. I mean that would be full retard.

Think about it, there are teams that are buried in the ACC and SEC that will never see the light of day. Too big. The tightness of the BE allows any and every member to receive exposure, and a climb that's not insurmountable. It also produces maximus tourney invites. So there's that.

[Masterofreality]

Television at some point may try to dictate expansion for the BE. TV wants awesome ratings & from what I hear, our BE package is just mediocre for ratings.

Television ratings wouldn’t be appreciably helped by including VD. They’re in the same TV sub market anyway. And does anybody think that by adding another private school in St. Louis that the ratings would magically bump? Nah.

UCon. Yeah.

[GoMuskies]

Even for UConn, they'll only help if they fire Ollie and get their shit together.

[xubrew]

The big east leadership I'm confident is smarter than adding a crap program such as Dayton. I mean that would be full retard.

Think about it, there are teams that are buried in the ACC and SEC that will never see the light of day. Too big. The tightness of the BE allows any and every member to receive exposure, and a climb that's not insurmountable. It also produces maximus tourney invites. So there's that.

...and many of the teams that are buried in the ACC and Big Ten are about to be buried even further by this moronic 20 game conference schedule.

Just because another conference does something doesn't mean the Big East has to do it.

"Well, the ACC is expanding, so that means the SEC has to expand." WTF for??

"The ACC and Big Ten are going out to 20 game conference schedules, so now the Big East must do it."

This is such a stupid, shallow, and moronic thought process that whoever thinks this way is, in my opinion, not really capable of thought in the first place.

[UCGRAD4X]

...and many of the teams that are buried in the ACC and Big Ten are about to be buried even further by this moronic 20 game conference schedule.

Just because another conference does something doesn't mean the Big East has to do it.

"Well, the ACC is expanding, so that means the SEC has to expand." WTF for??

"The ACC and Big Ten are going out to 20 game conference schedules, so now the Big East must do it."

This is such a stupid, shallow, and moronic thought process that whoever thinks this way is, in my opinion, not really capable of thought in the first place.

This +1 (at a minimum)

Not only do I say NO!

I say, "OH HELL NO!"

[Olsingledigit]

See, adding 1 team- UCon- allows the round robin schedule to continue in a 20 League game format. Plus it renews rivalries and gives more TV juice to the New York market for FS1. The ONLY other school that would be considered to break that up would be if Notre Dame wanted a change out. THAT’S IT.

The UDump dreamers can go away. They add nothing to the table and won’t be invited. G’Bye.
Please do not haul out the old ND conversation again. There is NO WAY they would ever come back to the current BE. First, they have a perfect deal with the ACC which allows them to technically stay "independent" in football by agreeing to play a partial ACC football schedule each year. Second, the BE has no football schools and really doesn't want any. Been there, done that. Third, ND's basketball program will never eclipse its football program, so don't even think about it.

[GoMuskies]

The Big East technically has three "football schools":

Butler
Villanova
Georgetown

[X-band '01]

None of which are a threat to move up to FBS anytime soon.

[GoMuskies]

None of which are a threat to move up to FBS anytime soon.

No. Villanova has been at one time or the other, but that ship has likely sailed forever. I don't think either Butler or Georgetown give scholarships for football.

[X-band '01]

Georgetown does - Butler does not. Everyone in the Ivy and Pioneer League (that includes Dayton, Butler, Valpo and San Diego among others) don't offer scholarships, but still get autobid slots into the FCS playoffs.

Dayton made the playoffs and hosted a 1st-round game 2 years ago, but nobody showed up (besides the visiting Western Illinois fans) since they wanted to see their Overlords run over them in hoops in Orlando instead.

[GoMuskies]

The Ivies don't do playoffs.

[paulxu]

...and many of the teams that are buried in the ACC and Big Ten are about to be buried even further by this moronic 20 game conference schedule.

Just because another conference does something doesn't mean the Big East has to do it.

"Well, the ACC is expanding, so that means the SEC has to expand." WTF for??

"The ACC and Big Ten are going out to 20 game conference schedules, so now the Big East must do it."

This is such a stupid, shallow, and moronic thought process that whoever thinks this way is, in my opinion, not really capable of thought in the first place.

This is all well and good to semi-pontificate about the horrible 20 game schedule; but the pressure may not be internal to the conference, but rather Fox wanting more (good) inventory.

[xubrew]

This is all well and good to semi-pontificate about the horrible 20 game schedule; but the pressure may not be internal to the conference, but rather Fox wanting more (good) inventory.

At this point I seriously doubt it. But, if that's the case then we can maybe look at it in 2025 when the current deal expires. Or not.

At this point expanding to 11 or 12 would not result in more money per school under the current deal. So, why should any of the current ten members want to do it? If Fox were to push for expansion then they'd have to pay more teams more per team in order to make it worth it to the ten current members. Now that they have the Big Ten and the Pac Twelve, I don't think they'd see any point to doing that.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

There is something pure about playing at each other’s home arena. I like that about us and the Big 12.


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[chico]

The only reason to let UConn in right now is sentiment. Ollie is not that good of a coach and the team is not the national power they were under Calhoun. It might help get some more fans in the east but I wonder what kind of viewership they have now being in the AAC. And for good measure, they're now under NCAA investigation.

I think we have the perfect set-up right now. 10 teams is a great number, there is no unbalanced schedule, each team brings a different and fairly substantial TV market, and all the programs seem to be willing put forth the dollars/commitment needed to have a successful program. What other market in the east/midwest do we need other than Boston (and Boston's not a big college town, anyway - Nigel will know where that quote came from). Who knows how the landscape will change in 5-10 years, but for now and the near future, there is absolutely no reason to mess with the way the conference is set up.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ugh

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/hc-sp-uconn-men-ncaa-investigation-20180126-story.html

Thinking about realignment just doesn't interest me at all.

[GuyFawkes38]

This is simple. X should do everything in its power to block Dayton from the Big East.

I have too much respect for UD as a school and bball program to give up our big competitive advantage over them. We directly compete against UD for recruits and potential students. Why give up our big advantage?!

What about adding SLU?

[XUFan09]

This is simple. X should do everything in its power to block Dayton from the Big East.

I have too much respect for UD as a school and bball program to give up our big competitive advantage over them. We directly compete against UD for recruits and potential students. Why give up our big advantage?!

What about adding SLU?X doesn't really compete with UD for recruits too much anymore, unless it's a priority recruit for them and a backup for X, but yes, the two schools directly compete for students. Looking more "big-time" and getting more exposure than UD is good for X.

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[xudash]

The Big East doesn't need to do a damn thing right now with respect to conference expansion.

Not only is nothing broken or getting close to becoming broken, but the Big East Conference actually is proving that it was and is fully capable of chugging along strongly, albeit with a different cast of characters - OF WHICH WE'RE NOW FINALLY ONE.

The Big XII and the Big East have it right: 10 teams. IF the Big XII expands to 11 teams to facilitate a 20-game conference schedule, then I'll begin to pay attention to this "need" for expansion. I don't count on that happening, especially given that they have to continue to solve for football primarily.

Added TV inventory? I just don't see that as being a burning issue presently, especially for Fox, which has now picked up a lot of inventory from the B1G and PAC12 anyway.

As far as VD is concerned, Guy and XUFAN09 couldn't be more correct: VD is to be boxed out of this gig at all costs. Imagine if the situation were reversed (which isn't easy, given how crappy that basketball program has been and now is again). Xavier does hold a major strategic advantage over UD. UD wouldn't give that up for anything if the situation were reversed. We shouldn't give it up now that we possess it. I can't imagine being stuck, having to play the likes of Fordham and LossSalle, while those idiots up the road were otherwise enjoying the schedule we enjoy, the money we're enjoying and the luxurious television coverage we have in place.

LET

THEM

SUFFER.

They've earned it.

[paulxu]

Dash, I'm very concerned that you are bottling things up inside, and it might not be medically prudent.

You have to learn to let your true feelings out. I suggest more Makers at Dana's!

[muskiefan82]

What is all this about?!?! I didn't think Dayton, KY even had an NCAA program. Or is this about Dayton (OH)?

[xudash]

Dash, I'm very concerned that you are bottling things up inside, and it might not be medically prudent.

You have to learn to let your true feelings out. I suggest more Makers at Dana's!

Thank you Paul.

I shouldn't beat around the bush as much as I do about VD.

[Masterofreality]

Anyone who EVER harbored any delusions that, in the words of Blackburn Review, Virginia Confederate University should have been or now in the Big East should read this great article by The BR. Outstanding. VCU being in this league would have been as bad as when Fordham was invited to join the A10. A bunch of cretins in Richmond.
http://www.blackburnreview.com/road-trippin-with-the-dayton-flyers-richmond-2/